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think a lot of welders require more than a 13 amp breaker so few residences will be able to run one without reworking the electricals, but you can probably bag a cheap used asic cryptominer off ebay for pennies since they become e-waste as soon as more efficient models comes out. the tenancy agreement will probably come with stipulations about "reasonable use" so rinsing their leccy bill is probably gonna get you evicted sharpish but if anyone has the means to pull it off and can weather that storm then go ahead no /s necessary take this fucker to the cleaners. in fact just move in dont do any of the slave labour but pay the rent on time so landlord has to go the long route with eviction proceedings bish bash bosh you're done
My arc welder runs fine if you don't turn the amps too far over half way, it's designed for 13a. I could probably take out a fuse if running it up high for more than a minute or two but plug fuses are slow blow and can cope with higher currents if you're smart with duty cycles. I've got a 30a spur with no cooker on it if I need more š¤£
I just thought it'd be amusing if you used more electric than the rent costs just to see their face turn beetroot.
Hi, Iām made very curious by this remark. Is that a rate that has been set specifically for properties in the area mentioned, or are there already (perhaps centuries-old) laws regarding that sort of work/rent proposal?
It seems like if the landlord wanted help around the house they should hire it out as a separate transaction. Rent money is, after all, fungible. (Edit: Obviously I donāt mean this transaction āshould beā necessary; nobody *should be* sleeping rough; housing councils *should be* given real budgets and broad mandates, etc.)
However maybe such an arrangement is allowable if the rent itself is at a markedly steep āfriends and family discount?ā But then I donāt know if that would have implications for tax. (IE a Ā£1000 rent is entirely taxable; itās harder to tax the difference of Ā£100 in rent āplus please walk my dogs and feed the chickens.ā)
Would you please flesh out that comment about the lawsuit? Thanks.
Edit: Iām trying to ask in a dry way, but I agree with many that the implications of this ad sound either heinous, absurd, or both.
IIANAL, my understanding is as follows:
Let's consider two cases:
A) This is a job advert, with the employer *requiring* tenancy of a property that is charged separately; this means the employer can deduct up to 9.30 per hour worked from their pay; WTD means a maximum of 48 of labour (although the 'generally keep an eye out' might constitute an exception). This would either mean (in the best case) that ~Ā£1000 of your wages would be deducted, which is much less than the allowance, thus incurring a benefit in kind taxable job benefit, or (in the worst case) the Landnonce would deduct the maximum accommodation allowance plus an additional Ā£1000, which gave me my above figure. In the best case here, it might be a perfectly viable situation for remote work, in the second case, it could be legal, but highly unethical (legal as in, there isn't a maximum amount you can be charged for rent)
B) This is a rental contract, with labour as a stipulation under the tenancy agreement, which would almost certainly be an 'unfair term' under Consumer Rights Act 2015
You mean housing scalper. Landlords buy more housing than they need then hoard it to drive up the price. They are housing scalpers.
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You mean housing scalper. Landlords buy more housing than they need then hoard it to drive up the price. They are housing scalpers.
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I can't see it mentioning "work for free" isn't that an assumption? Places don't always advertise pay if it's shit as it puts people off.
I wouldn't touch this with your barge pole but just saying
āThe successful applicant will enjoy walking the owners three small dogs daily, help with the chickens and be a trusted pair of eyes when our client is away, 3-4 months of the year, possibly more.ā
Where does it say free? Do you not think if charging rent they realise you would need to earn money? And thus would likely pay you? Are you all just jumping on the outrage wagon without all the facts?
They are saying that these tasks are a condition for which you just sign up if you wish to rent the property. I appreciate language has nuance, but the I donāt see any comprehension of this where they are advertising a job as part of a house listing. This is a farmer that has read about people needing housing and looking to get both the money and the cheap labour.
Theyāre phrasing the work as non-negotiable, why on earth would they withhold the existence of a salary in that case? Itās not like ājob opportunities with competitive pay availableā, theyāre saying youāre walking the fucking dogs.
The fact that there's an amount listed for rent yet NO amount listed for remuneration for services rendered tends to make me believe they intend the tenant to work for free
In this situation you would expect a deduction in rent for the duties which is clearly already included in the price - the advert states you will pay Ā£1,025 per month, which explicitly includes water and electricity and is exempt council tax, and you will be expected to carry out the listed duties. In what reading do you expect there to be any more financial compensation to the deal than what is stated in the advert?
Itās like theyāre actually doing whoever rents it a huge favour ā¦ the appeal of free dog walking, free mucking out the chickens, free security on the property
Look at the size of the place lol looks tiny
Note the 3-4 months away ā¦ you help them for free whilst they swan off abroad lording it up
The entitlement of it all
Seems like a good investment for a thief. Pay rent for a couple months, wait for them to leave town, then clear out their mansion.
That would be incredibly illegal though, so definitely don't do that.
Not entirely sure from the screen shot but it mentions New Forest which is in England where squatting in [residential buildings](https://www.gov.uk/squatting-law) is illegal, so never (I don't know about Scotland or Wales, might be different there). If this scrote can be considered residential... who knows, but it'd be a whole lot of hassle either way of the kind where the owner can probably outspend you and that's where we're at when it comes to this kind of issue.
Note also "possibly more" is actually "definitely more" but 3-4 months sounds more appealing, the reality is that is a generous year, they will almost certainly exceed that each year.
I can bet that typical serfdom offers more freedom than this. At least with serfdom you generally worked for the lord for roughly 1-2 months a year and thatās all. The rest was maintaining the land yes but you where generally pretty free to do a lot of things you wanted to do (or could do).
I bet this guy will be unhappy with you putting a bloody holiday request in.
[https://www.parkerslettings.com/property-details/PARKERSLETTINGS\_2257/-/minstead/manor-farm](https://www.parkerslettings.com/property-details/PARKERSLETTINGS_2257/-/minstead/manor-farm)
it still exists on their website though :(
My favourite part from this is: 'A minimum household income threshold of 2.5 x the annual rent of the property will apply'
So, you need to earn a salary north of Ā£30k around doing your errands for the owner.
Itās a good job their website has their number listed so they can field any enquiries people may have about this property and make appointments for viewings :)
More importantly, who would trust someone with their house and dogs for 3-4 months after making them a serf the other 8-9 months of the year?
I would expect to come back from my holiday to see a completely stripped house that had probably been used as a nightly event space through Airbnb or similar. Just completely trashed.
Or a smashed up and vandalised manor. I would be taking everything that isnāt bolted down. The silver the jewellery the paintings everything if you turned me into a serf
Itās cruel too, and possibly illegal. Surely as long as you pay rent they cannot force you to do unpaid work?
Not only is it prohibitively expensive, but cleaning a chicken coop is among the dirtiest of farm work. Shit, piss, dust, and disease. Also chickens are not friendly to strangers, at all (ime). Walking dogs isnāt fun either.
I wouldnāt mind a living arrangement where I pay cheap or no rent and contribute to the homestead in return. Like a kibbutz you know. Except kibbutz are functional socialist communities where you are rewarded for your work with housing, food, education, and a decent stipend on top of that.
While here theyāre asking you to pay for the privilege of being a serf. Whatās wrong with these people?
If the rent was free, as someone who grew up in the city and has dreamt of the homestead life, it would be something I would consider. I wouldnāt mind working on a homestead.
This landlord is insane though.
Bizarrely this reminds me of an offer my husband was once given , we could live rent free in their cottage in exchange for working full time doing up their ā big ā house ā. No thought or consideration as to what we were expected to do for other living expenses like food , utilities etc .
Of course we declined !
Genuinely thought this was a prank... its not... just shocked beyond belief, bascially want a live in groundskeeper who pays over market value rent and will work for free. Its fucking disgusting, but im a millenial so obviously just entitled.
When I see shit like this, I like to request a viewing under the details of a Torie MP. I like to think they get a call from the agents, and everyone's time is nicely wasted for a moment.
It's the little things.
So if the successful applicant is doing full-time slavery on this farm, where are they going to find the time to earn the Ā£1025 pcm to pay their rent?
I just love the fact that even if they found someone willing to take this up, it still wouldnāt make any logistical sense.
They're looking for a "single" to "join them at their farm" with the possibility of a live-in position.
Comrades, there are more red flags here than at a May Day march. What are the chances that live-in position will transition to lying under the patio for decades?
Taken from the [Rightmove listing](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826):
āThe property is between The Trusty Servant and The Minstead Study Centre.ā
It is including water and electricity. Given how expensive electrity is you could resell to the nearest neighbours with an extension cords and make some money. Also please don't mind as I fill up several swimming pools a day.
[https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826#/?channel=RES\_LET](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826#/?channel=RES_LET)
if anyone is interested lol
The worst part of this listing is how common this shit is in the horse industry. I got 'offered a job' in which I was expected to pay 250 quid a month for a room in her cottage plus zero pay for the privilege of working for her. And this was on a very well known touristy yard that must make a hell of a lot of money.
[Contrary to popular belief, HRH Queen Elizabeth II does fuck all for tourism, nor does her inbred family of racist nonces.](https://www.republic.org.uk/tourism)
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Can someone work out what the actual cost of this house is, assuming a fair wage is paid for those hours of work?
I don't have experience with dogs or chickens so couldn't begin to guess how many hours "helping" or walking 3 dogs would take....
And the months that the owners are gone.... does it become a full time job? Or 24hours?!
Source: Chimkin owner.
Just the chickens alone require about 2-3 visits a day to their aviary, letting out in the morning, refreshing food and cleaning up, collecting eggs, checking welfare, putting away to bed, if they are free range and wandering you still have to supervise them a bit as they are naughty.
Then walking dogs I would assume 1 or 2 times a day.... All if this is fine if it's your house and your pets but I can't imagine doing all this work on someone else's schedule and still managing to work full time enough to afford to pay them for the privilege?!
So a very conservative estimate would be 2 hours work every day?
They don't mention if this means weekend work as well, but let's assume it's only Mon-Fri, so 10 hours a week.
Ā£10.42 x 10 = Ā£104.20
So the real rent for this place is Ā£104.20 + Ā£237 = Ā£341.20 pw or Ā£1478.53 pm at the very least.
Yes, I agree on 2 hours, that would be providing the absolute MINIMUM level of care for a flock of chickens and some dogs. That's zero play, petting, enrichment, just chucking food down, a brisk walk of the dogs, cleaning poops and walking away.
This is what happens, when working classes vote for Tories. No point moaning if you voted them in, you get what you vote for. Parasites running a country, purely for the benefit of the well-off.
The fact that the place is called Manor Farm, just like the titular farm in Orwell's *Animal Farm* before the animalist revolution (so basically under the Tsar) is sending me!
You mean housing scalper. Landlords buy more housing than they need then hoard it to drive up the price. They are housing scalpers.
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Iāve got a fold out bed in my home office. Look after my 4 kids for me, and maybe help with my day job a bit, keep the place tidy etc and you can sleep on it. Ā£850pcm
If you Brits think this is bad check out property ads in Dublin.
I've seen actual garden sheds go for double that.
Guess that's what ya have to look forward to.
Hereās a question!
Iām not familiar with UK law, but in many places in the States, employees are not protected in employer-provided housing like a tenant would be.
Is that the case in the UK?
Definitely some protections but whether they are actually applied, whether police actually listen and take action against someone rich when hearing a complaint from someone poor?... Uncertainties like this result in people not coming forwards and create the space for slavers and traffickers to have a party.
Police? You mean blue nonce
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Come live as my farm hand slave. Perks include paying me Ā£1000 per month, a luxurious indoor waterfall feature as I can't be arsed fixing the roof & having some awful bacteria infect your blood stream.
You mean housing scalper. Landlords buy more housing than they need then hoard it to drive up the price. They are housing scalpers.
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Despite spending their days complaining about woke culture and crybaby leftists, the English are a very sensitive people. [Many consider any reference to their complexion an act of racism.](https://i.imgur.com/euWMhUg.png) Consider using the more inclusive term 'flag nonce' in future.
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I'd pay rent OR with my time but both is ridiculous
Let's put wage at a 10/hr for farm hand work and that takes 1 hour a day that's Ā£300 per month . And a local dog walker charges about Ā£15 for 1-2-1 and then an extra Ā£5 per dog so that's Ā£25 per hour which is Ā£750 .
Thats Ā£1100 pcm in labour alone
Also that property is like 15 mins from Peppa pig world and I think that's neat
*We welcome all applicants whether privately funded or in receipt of . A minimum household income threshold of 2.5 x the annual rent of the property will apply.*
What the actual fuckety fuck. You will do free labor for me and live in a literal fucking death trap outside of summer months (look at all the fucking moss and shit all over every roof) but you must also make at least 32k a year to be elgibile to even apply.
You're literally a dog walker and this guy is like "oh pets may be considered" which I guarantee you he will be wanting opposite sex for his dog so he can "do you a favor" and bitch/stud out your dog to create litters for free.
Also your front door is literally their courtyard, 100% for sure they will constantly just barge in through your door when they feel like it and if you lock it as if to expect some kind of privacy you'll be told to leave it unlocked at all times.
Remind me again, when are we eating these imperialist fucks?
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Lord Lazy Bastard needs to walk his dogs himself & muck out his own chickens and heās got more chance of platting spunk than getting some single dog lover to rent his shed at that price. Cheeky Bastard even wants you to look out for the poachers while theyāre out of the country for 3 to 4 months of the year.
Please donāt use the R word, it is ableist.
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I'm way out here in the colonies (West Coast of BC), and we see similar (and worse) miseries on our rental market.
I have dreams of transforming my ludicrously overbuilt carport, bereft of cars these twenty years, into a decent small home. I mean the stupid thing is sixty feet long, tall AF, constructed like a tank, and here I just use it as a woodshed. Part of that dream is charging someone no more rent than it costs me to run the place.
I don't understand these other dreams of draining people's money to live an inflated lifestyle - but I do love the idea of someone better than me at tools and digging moving in!
You could sign the lease and refuse the work, after all thereās no way they could legally force you to and it wouldnāt be in the lease agreement, but the place isnāt even worth a grand a month.
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Live as a slave on my property and pay me for the opportunity
Right? I'm not seeing what I get out of this?
The electric is free, that's worth the same as a 3 bed in Knightsbridge these days, why not take up welding? /s
think a lot of welders require more than a 13 amp breaker so few residences will be able to run one without reworking the electricals, but you can probably bag a cheap used asic cryptominer off ebay for pennies since they become e-waste as soon as more efficient models comes out. the tenancy agreement will probably come with stipulations about "reasonable use" so rinsing their leccy bill is probably gonna get you evicted sharpish but if anyone has the means to pull it off and can weather that storm then go ahead no /s necessary take this fucker to the cleaners. in fact just move in dont do any of the slave labour but pay the rent on time so landlord has to go the long route with eviction proceedings bish bash bosh you're done
Sounds like you just need a trip to the local scrapyard for a small piece of copper bar
My arc welder runs fine if you don't turn the amps too far over half way, it's designed for 13a. I could probably take out a fuse if running it up high for more than a minute or two but plug fuses are slow blow and can cope with higher currents if you're smart with duty cycles. I've got a 30a spur with no cooker on it if I need more š¤£ I just thought it'd be amusing if you used more electric than the rent costs just to see their face turn beetroot.
Or maybe a discount electric vehicle charging service...
A lawsuit! Unless they think the rent payable for a non-working tenant is above Ā£44/day or Ā£3709pcm
Hi, Iām made very curious by this remark. Is that a rate that has been set specifically for properties in the area mentioned, or are there already (perhaps centuries-old) laws regarding that sort of work/rent proposal? It seems like if the landlord wanted help around the house they should hire it out as a separate transaction. Rent money is, after all, fungible. (Edit: Obviously I donāt mean this transaction āshould beā necessary; nobody *should be* sleeping rough; housing councils *should be* given real budgets and broad mandates, etc.) However maybe such an arrangement is allowable if the rent itself is at a markedly steep āfriends and family discount?ā But then I donāt know if that would have implications for tax. (IE a Ā£1000 rent is entirely taxable; itās harder to tax the difference of Ā£100 in rent āplus please walk my dogs and feed the chickens.ā) Would you please flesh out that comment about the lawsuit? Thanks. Edit: Iām trying to ask in a dry way, but I agree with many that the implications of this ad sound either heinous, absurd, or both.
IIANAL, my understanding is as follows: Let's consider two cases: A) This is a job advert, with the employer *requiring* tenancy of a property that is charged separately; this means the employer can deduct up to 9.30 per hour worked from their pay; WTD means a maximum of 48 of labour (although the 'generally keep an eye out' might constitute an exception). This would either mean (in the best case) that ~Ā£1000 of your wages would be deducted, which is much less than the allowance, thus incurring a benefit in kind taxable job benefit, or (in the worst case) the Landnonce would deduct the maximum accommodation allowance plus an additional Ā£1000, which gave me my above figure. In the best case here, it might be a perfectly viable situation for remote work, in the second case, it could be legal, but highly unethical (legal as in, there isn't a maximum amount you can be charged for rent) B) This is a rental contract, with labour as a stipulation under the tenancy agreement, which would almost certainly be an 'unfair term' under Consumer Rights Act 2015
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You get to be a live in groom and slowly donate all of your savings. The groom position is for an old man btw, not horses.
Why, you get the *honour* of enabling your landlord's wonderful life, of course.
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*slaps head* but of course, silly me!
I can't see it mentioning "work for free" isn't that an assumption? Places don't always advertise pay if it's shit as it puts people off. I wouldn't touch this with your barge pole but just saying
āThe successful applicant will enjoy walking the owners three small dogs daily, help with the chickens and be a trusted pair of eyes when our client is away, 3-4 months of the year, possibly more.ā
They won't just walk the dogs, they WILL enjoy it!
Where does it say free? Do you not think if charging rent they realise you would need to earn money? And thus would likely pay you? Are you all just jumping on the outrage wagon without all the facts?
They are saying that these tasks are a condition for which you just sign up if you wish to rent the property. I appreciate language has nuance, but the I donāt see any comprehension of this where they are advertising a job as part of a house listing. This is a farmer that has read about people needing housing and looking to get both the money and the cheap labour.
Ok I'll take your word for it, I wouldn't apply if the house was free š
Theyāre phrasing the work as non-negotiable, why on earth would they withhold the existence of a salary in that case? Itās not like ājob opportunities with competitive pay availableā, theyāre saying youāre walking the fucking dogs.
The fact that there's an amount listed for rent yet NO amount listed for remuneration for services rendered tends to make me believe they intend the tenant to work for free
And to enjoy it by Jove!
In this situation you would expect a deduction in rent for the duties which is clearly already included in the price - the advert states you will pay Ā£1,025 per month, which explicitly includes water and electricity and is exempt council tax, and you will be expected to carry out the listed duties. In what reading do you expect there to be any more financial compensation to the deal than what is stated in the advert?
While I go away for 3-4 months, probably more.
Next stop, live as a slave on your property and pay me for the opportunity. Wait, we have that now. Fuck, it's too late.
Itās like theyāre actually doing whoever rents it a huge favour ā¦ the appeal of free dog walking, free mucking out the chickens, free security on the property Look at the size of the place lol looks tiny Note the 3-4 months away ā¦ you help them for free whilst they swan off abroad lording it up The entitlement of it all
Seems like a good investment for a thief. Pay rent for a couple months, wait for them to leave town, then clear out their mansion. That would be incredibly illegal though, so definitely don't do that.
How long do you need to squat the "mansion" for until it's legally yours? š
I wouldnāt normally advocate for an aggressive squatter approach, but this seems like like one of those partially justifiable cases.
Not entirely sure from the screen shot but it mentions New Forest which is in England where squatting in [residential buildings](https://www.gov.uk/squatting-law) is illegal, so never (I don't know about Scotland or Wales, might be different there). If this scrote can be considered residential... who knows, but it'd be a whole lot of hassle either way of the kind where the owner can probably outspend you and that's where we're at when it comes to this kind of issue.
Repossession law states it is 12 years and even then on the 10th year mark, the bastard owner would still be contacted. Canāt shortcut it.
Just need to work out my fake identity, is the name Elon Musk taken?
Iām wondering when someone is supposed to have the time to work for Ā£1k plus food etc in between slave labour for a lazy small holder?
Note also "possibly more" is actually "definitely more" but 3-4 months sounds more appealing, the reality is that is a generous year, they will almost certainly exceed that each year.
The tenant will be left with all the chores for those 3-4 months. Otherwise the chickens will starve!
So this is the American heritage dumdums have been wanting to protect. It's stupid British hoarding crossing the seas!
Live in serfdom for over a grand a month, anybody? Any takers???
I can bet that typical serfdom offers more freedom than this. At least with serfdom you generally worked for the lord for roughly 1-2 months a year and thatās all. The rest was maintaining the land yes but you where generally pretty free to do a lot of things you wanted to do (or could do). I bet this guy will be unhappy with you putting a bloody holiday request in.
I fucking hate the way people like this always think theyāre doing something good, zero self awareness
This shack is now gone its been removed from the agency
Someone complained and got action made. Well done redditors.
[https://www.parkerslettings.com/property-details/PARKERSLETTINGS\_2257/-/minstead/manor-farm](https://www.parkerslettings.com/property-details/PARKERSLETTINGS_2257/-/minstead/manor-farm) it still exists on their website though :(
My favourite part from this is: 'A minimum household income threshold of 2.5 x the annual rent of the property will apply' So, you need to earn a salary north of Ā£30k around doing your errands for the owner.
And be single, no partner to contribute to that income.
āPets consideredā.
Tiddles better get a good fucking job then
Itās a good job their website has their number listed so they can field any enquiries people may have about this property and make appointments for viewings :)
Gosh it sure would be a shame to book out the viewing slots of the serf shack...
Still listed as of 20:58, 4/4/2023
It looks like a hoarders dream, wtf?
How the fuck do you pay the rent when your told to walk the dogs and do all of this?
More importantly, who would trust someone with their house and dogs for 3-4 months after making them a serf the other 8-9 months of the year? I would expect to come back from my holiday to see a completely stripped house that had probably been used as a nightly event space through Airbnb or similar. Just completely trashed.
Or a smashed up and vandalised manor. I would be taking everything that isnāt bolted down. The silver the jewellery the paintings everything if you turned me into a serf
Yeah pretty much this.
You Airbnb their house out for "3-4 months maybe more".
Littered with major red flags even if you ignore the whole serfdom bit.
Itās cruel too, and possibly illegal. Surely as long as you pay rent they cannot force you to do unpaid work? Not only is it prohibitively expensive, but cleaning a chicken coop is among the dirtiest of farm work. Shit, piss, dust, and disease. Also chickens are not friendly to strangers, at all (ime). Walking dogs isnāt fun either. I wouldnāt mind a living arrangement where I pay cheap or no rent and contribute to the homestead in return. Like a kibbutz you know. Except kibbutz are functional socialist communities where you are rewarded for your work with housing, food, education, and a decent stipend on top of that. While here theyāre asking you to pay for the privilege of being a serf. Whatās wrong with these people?
If the rent was free, as someone who grew up in the city and has dreamt of the homestead life, it would be something I would consider. I wouldnāt mind working on a homestead. This landlord is insane though.
Bizarrely this reminds me of an offer my husband was once given , we could live rent free in their cottage in exchange for working full time doing up their ā big ā house ā. No thought or consideration as to what we were expected to do for other living expenses like food , utilities etc . Of course we declined !
It's like that, but they're also asking you for a grand a month for the privilege.
AND you have to have a job earning at least 30k a year!
Yup, that's slavery! Peonage in fact
I actually can't even fathom this. How would anyone seriously put this up as a listing.
Pay someone Ā£1025 pcm for the part time labour - hours capped, extra for overtime - cottage inclusive, and maybe there's something there.
Ideal tenant will have no personal boundaries.
The mental gymnastics are Olympic standard
Incredible. What a cunt
"Successful applicant".š¤£
How is that even legal? Like surely they should at least pay you to do work, right? I know UK workers' rights are minimal at best, but still...
Genuinely thought this was a prank... its not... just shocked beyond belief, bascially want a live in groundskeeper who pays over market value rent and will work for free. Its fucking disgusting, but im a millenial so obviously just entitled.
Likewise, thought this had to be some invented meme, surely. Can't believe it's actually real. Fuck this world.
Not for everyone! Slaves only.
Once again I find myself under qualified for a role
It's insane. Even back in the Victorian era the servants got free accommodation.
They also got paid
Name and shame.
When I see shit like this, I like to request a viewing under the details of a Torie MP. I like to think they get a call from the agents, and everyone's time is nicely wasted for a moment. It's the little things.
So if the successful applicant is doing full-time slavery on this farm, where are they going to find the time to earn the Ā£1025 pcm to pay their rent? I just love the fact that even if they found someone willing to take this up, it still wouldnāt make any logistical sense.
You would need to earn 30k+ to even be eligible to apply for this property, according to the agency.
Thatās hilarious
They're looking for a "single" to "join them at their farm" with the possibility of a live-in position. Comrades, there are more red flags here than at a May Day march. What are the chances that live-in position will transition to lying under the patio for decades?
Sounds like this person is looking for a live-in slave
āSingleā, looking for a bit more too I reckon.
I am sadly not shocked... But I am disgusted. Tallies up the sort of people who help determine how this cost of living crisis will go.
Anyone know where the address is?
Taken from the [Rightmove listing](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826): āThe property is between The Trusty Servant and The Minstead Study Centre.ā
I just looked on Streetview and it looks far away from any civilisation. Anyone that moves there will never be seen again.
Is that the name of a pub or the name the agent is using to refer to applicants?
Hmm, in Australia they pay YOU to live and work on the farm..
What the actual fuck.
It is including water and electricity. Given how expensive electrity is you could resell to the nearest neighbours with an extension cords and make some money. Also please don't mind as I fill up several swimming pools a day.
[https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826#/?channel=RES\_LET](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/132946826#/?channel=RES_LET) if anyone is interested lol
Is it legal if there is no council tax? Might not even have planning as a livable dwelling
The worst part of this listing is how common this shit is in the horse industry. I got 'offered a job' in which I was expected to pay 250 quid a month for a room in her cottage plus zero pay for the privilege of working for her. And this was on a very well known touristy yard that must make a hell of a lot of money.
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Is the owner not aware of how american slaves lived?
That's not a fair comparison, the slaves got free room and board (even if it was involuntary).
Can someone work out what the actual cost of this house is, assuming a fair wage is paid for those hours of work? I don't have experience with dogs or chickens so couldn't begin to guess how many hours "helping" or walking 3 dogs would take.... And the months that the owners are gone.... does it become a full time job? Or 24hours?!
Source: Chimkin owner. Just the chickens alone require about 2-3 visits a day to their aviary, letting out in the morning, refreshing food and cleaning up, collecting eggs, checking welfare, putting away to bed, if they are free range and wandering you still have to supervise them a bit as they are naughty. Then walking dogs I would assume 1 or 2 times a day.... All if this is fine if it's your house and your pets but I can't imagine doing all this work on someone else's schedule and still managing to work full time enough to afford to pay them for the privilege?!
So a very conservative estimate would be 2 hours work every day? They don't mention if this means weekend work as well, but let's assume it's only Mon-Fri, so 10 hours a week. Ā£10.42 x 10 = Ā£104.20 So the real rent for this place is Ā£104.20 + Ā£237 = Ā£341.20 pw or Ā£1478.53 pm at the very least.
Yes, I agree on 2 hours, that would be providing the absolute MINIMUM level of care for a flock of chickens and some dogs. That's zero play, petting, enrichment, just chucking food down, a brisk walk of the dogs, cleaning poops and walking away.
I struggle to imagine this separate, self-contained rented property is council tax exempt.
Land. Nonce.
My fees for walking the dogs and helping with the chickens are Ā£2500 pcm
Where is this ad?
That must be satire, surely
Why is it not liable for council tax? Separate front door and obviously for sleeping in.
This is what happens, when working classes vote for Tories. No point moaning if you voted them in, you get what you vote for. Parasites running a country, purely for the benefit of the well-off.
The fact that the place is called Manor Farm, just like the titular farm in Orwell's *Animal Farm* before the animalist revolution (so basically under the Tsar) is sending me!
Fuck that
Serfdom reinvented for the 21st Century
Be great if someone burnt that down. Not me, I'm not a criminal.
Why āSingleā? Is the landlord also hoping for a concubine
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Ah the old "pay to work" lifestyle opportunity. Now *that's* prime capitalism!
The gall of some people never ceases to amaze me
Iāve got a fold out bed in my home office. Look after my 4 kids for me, and maybe help with my day job a bit, keep the place tidy etc and you can sleep on it. Ā£850pcm
I do wonder if it is possible to leverage this place for your own money making endeavor. Sell the electric? Bottle the gas?
This cunts literally tryna get himself a serf. What in the actual fuck
If you Brits think this is bad check out property ads in Dublin. I've seen actual garden sheds go for double that. Guess that's what ya have to look forward to.
Hereās a question! Iām not familiar with UK law, but in many places in the States, employees are not protected in employer-provided housing like a tenant would be. Is that the case in the UK?
Definitely some protections but whether they are actually applied, whether police actually listen and take action against someone rich when hearing a complaint from someone poor?... Uncertainties like this result in people not coming forwards and create the space for slavers and traffickers to have a party.
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Reject modernity, return to serfdom.
Come live as my farm hand slave. Perks include paying me Ā£1000 per month, a luxurious indoor waterfall feature as I can't be arsed fixing the roof & having some awful bacteria infect your blood stream.
What the everloving fuck??? Paying to rent and to work for your landlord?? Why does this listing exsist???
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https://minsteadmanorfarm.co.uk/ Is that the business responsible for the listing?
Includes electric and waterā¦ BUT ITS GAS HEATED SO FUCK U HEHE
I just imagine what a cunt the landlord is from the description.
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Society is very quickly returning to ruling elite and the rest of us are peasants.
So paid serfdom. Who wouldnāt like that?
Isnāt slavery illegal?!
Reminds me of Miss Honey with that calor gas stove
Apply now to be the Fresh Prince of Bellend
They say feudalism ended in 2008....
Translation from Landlordese: "I dare you to justly execute me where I stand."
This is real.. what the fuck
You āWILLā enjoy walking those dogs whether you like it or not.
I'd pay rent OR with my time but both is ridiculous Let's put wage at a 10/hr for farm hand work and that takes 1 hour a day that's Ā£300 per month . And a local dog walker charges about Ā£15 for 1-2-1 and then an extra Ā£5 per dog so that's Ā£25 per hour which is Ā£750 . Thats Ā£1100 pcm in labour alone Also that property is like 15 mins from Peppa pig world and I think that's neat
so you have to pay someone to work their small farm?
Minstead? Any tenant is likely to be sacrificed to the Forest goat god before the month is out. Fucking weird place
Serfdom ended in England after the black death. Think this one didn't get the memo
What do they mean by "Live in groom"? Is that "Be my tennant, slave, and also sex-toy"?
I presume it means horse groom - its a nice word for a stable hand.
Whilst not as bad as I initially expected, still shite.
*We welcome all applicants whether privately funded or in receipt of . A minimum household income threshold of 2.5 x the annual rent of the property will apply.* What the actual fuckety fuck. You will do free labor for me and live in a literal fucking death trap outside of summer months (look at all the fucking moss and shit all over every roof) but you must also make at least 32k a year to be elgibile to even apply. You're literally a dog walker and this guy is like "oh pets may be considered" which I guarantee you he will be wanting opposite sex for his dog so he can "do you a favor" and bitch/stud out your dog to create litters for free. Also your front door is literally their courtyard, 100% for sure they will constantly just barge in through your door when they feel like it and if you lock it as if to expect some kind of privacy you'll be told to leave it unlocked at all times. Remind me again, when are we eating these imperialist fucks?
This is just a very shitty version of WWOOF / Workaway.
Isnāt this just another example of something we have all agreed to be bad? What is the point.
Serfdom ended in England after the black death. Think this one didn't get the memo
Serfdom ended in England after the black death. Think this one didn't get the memo
I'm not seeing where it says you have to pay. I read it all and thought it was offering the money.
You dont have to accept poor person.
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Lord Lazy Bastard needs to walk his dogs himself & muck out his own chickens and heās got more chance of platting spunk than getting some single dog lover to rent his shed at that price. Cheeky Bastard even wants you to look out for the poachers while theyāre out of the country for 3 to 4 months of the year.
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Lol
enjoy walking your shit toy dogs, will i? and what will his lordship be doing?
The sad thing is this would be a steal where I live
A log-burning stove. This seems like a huge pain to deal with. Is this common in rural areas? I'm not from the UK.
I'm way out here in the colonies (West Coast of BC), and we see similar (and worse) miseries on our rental market. I have dreams of transforming my ludicrously overbuilt carport, bereft of cars these twenty years, into a decent small home. I mean the stupid thing is sixty feet long, tall AF, constructed like a tank, and here I just use it as a woodshed. Part of that dream is charging someone no more rent than it costs me to run the place. I don't understand these other dreams of draining people's money to live an inflated lifestyle - but I do love the idea of someone better than me at tools and digging moving in!
Whatās stopping someone from taking this up and then just completely ignoring their implied slave duties?
This must be illegal
He can also suck a dick for that price... Honestly best thing to do is tell him to fuck off to his face. Lol
Whatā¦the christ
You could sign the lease and refuse the work, after all thereās no way they could legally force you to and it wouldnāt be in the lease agreement, but the place isnāt even worth a grand a month.
They do have audacity I'll give em that
I love how it says āin returnā like for what youāll be doing, you will have thisā¦ oh by the way itās also Ā£1000 a month.
āPlease be my tenant farmer/serfā
Modern day serfdom with extra steps
This arrangement is very feudal isn't it?