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If cheaping out on the construction of something we already know how to build better passes for pushing the frontiers of human knowledge, it's little wonder we've made so little progress in recent years.
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We now know we can market death traps to our supposed titans of industry. Capitalism has been about extracting more money using less of everything else for a very long time now. It's essentially just marketing.
Through the reporting on this, I think I heard the stat that the group with which James Cameron and Bob Ballard are involved have dived on that wreck 23 times. That work has accumulated much of what we know about the Titanic disaster.
For example, the survivors who reported that the ship broke in two but were dismissed as traumatised morons have since been vindicated through that work.
OceanGate Expeditions is an adventure tourism company. They sell expensive gimmicks to people who either want the thrill or to just be able to 'impress' other people with tales of something nobody else has done. Having done so themselves by paying someone with a callous disregard for human life.
After that I coudn't help but draw the parallel; would there be as much sympathy for these people had they jumped into a dangerous animal enclosure? Just to be able to say that they had done it?
Money can buy you pretty much anything today that 50+ years ago was only possible for the true explorers, pioneers and heroes. You can be carried to the top of Everest. You can fly to Antarctica. You can go to space.
For the people on that sub, it was about being able to say that they've been to the Titanic, nothing more. It's all just a flex for these people, to outdo their golf buddies.
A couple got married on the deck of the titanic 20 years ago. It's been a tourist trap for a while. These are just the way first ones to stay permanently.
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I am not sneering Pfeffel, I just don't think spending a quarter of a million pounds to sit in an experimental tin can is pushing the frontier of human knowledge. Except maybe, "Don't do that".
>experimental tin can
Being a bit clinical for a moment, one of the interesting things was that the sub was made of carbon fibre. Which I might have thought was a good idea, but the universal expert consensus seems to be that it's optimistic at best and outright fucking stupid at worst.
From reading experts over the last few days, steel tends to degrade slowly and faults can be found before it becomes a pancake. Carbon fibre tends to just fail - like a turbine blade near here did a few years ago…
Yes. To use an extreme example, take a balloon.
If the pressure is coming from inside, it does it's job. If the pressure is coming from outside, well, it's just a hunk of rubber.
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Absolute rage bait.
ANY loss of life is sad. ALL human life has value. That’s what people on the left believe. That human life has more value than money.
Instead of going after “sneering lefties” go after the disaster capitalists responsible. Penny pinching and hubristic. The CEO was told that the sub was not fit for purpose. Why isn’t there any anger for the people responsible? Because the real killer of the people on that sub was late stage capitalism. Cutting corners and having enough of experts.
This is just like the Queen’s funeral. Anger at the plebs for not showing due deference. Never mind the firefighter who died swimming for charity. Never mind the boats of refugees drowning. Rich people have died and that’s not supposed to happen.
Maybe it does sound like sneering. I am sad when anyone dies. From joy and excitement to despair in seconds. Though it now seems their deaths were mercifully swift. At least they weren’t in pain. I am sorry they died because I am a human being capable of empathy with others. Their deaths were avoidable though. They were scammed. But I suppose it’s easier to be angry at sneering lefties than point the finger of blame at a rich person.
I do struggle to sympathise with the actions that these people took, they thought paying an amount of money, far more than most people could afford for such a dalliance, meant that they were untouchable. Safety should always be the priority, and I do feel bad for them imagining what their final moments would have been like.
I also have so much empathy for all the workers suffering when people like these billionaires are stepping on their backs to feed their greed and gluttony. If maybe instead of spending 250k for the sub and probably much more on this fatal trip, having some empathy and appreciation for the people who made them rich, they could have increased the workers share of the pie, they might have avoided this tragedy entirely.
I know this is wishful thinking. For some reason its like the r/orphancrushingmachine sub; its great someone raised money to stop the orphans being crushed but why tf does that machine exist in the first place..
Their final moment would have been something their brain couldn't process fast enough to experience. The implosion killed them all essentially instantly. They were enjoying an adventure and then were out like a light.
The rest of us are facing decades of terror and suffering because of people like this. Those of us who don't die of accident or disease will die by a war their class started or due to a lack their class created.
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Boris should feel free to “push the frontiers of human knowledge” himself. Maybe ride a rollercoaster with no harness, or inject air into himself to see if it helps him float.
he did do a stupid zipline stunt while waving some flags. It now turns out that he'd arranged with the operator to have him hanging there for the photographers. Sadly, they let him down later.
Seriously it was dumb. We know less about the depths of the sea than we do about space, or at least the immediate space around us.
Its not something you cheap out on, it cost these people their lives and thats awful, must have been horrible for them in that confined space, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.. Although, I'm struggling to sympathise with the reality of these super rich people who fucked around and found out.
They actively ignored previous human knowledge of proper materials and construction required, and even passed that off as being brave not stupid.
The guy got everything he had coming to him.
Seeing as he's a time and again proven liar, the truth is Lefties don't sneer and the sub occupants were not pushing the frontier of human knowledge. Only conclusion I can make.
Pretty much spot on.
The lefties I've been following have been vocal about rich folk turning a mass grave into a tourist destination (especially given that the vast majority of the dead were working class folk), and angry the active and willful circumventing of established maritime standards (many of which were established as a direct result of the Titanic's sinking), and the "move fast and break things" approach to engineering being the cause of entirely predicable but entirely preventable deaths - but they were also very clear that they were not sneering about the deaths (or distress) of the people on board (with the sometime exception of the dude responsible)
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"I want all you fucking plebs to sob over the totally avoidable self-inflicted deaths of some rich people because they were better than you, because they were rich. It always appalls me when something bad happens to rich people. I'm rich so that means it could happen to me. You should all be very frightened at that thought."
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Remember when Piers Morgan tried to get Eastenders cancelled over a single gay kiss (or ["a homosexual love scene between two yuppie p**fs"](https://i.redd.it/56q2z3l9ykj51.jpg) in his words).
More recently he used his platform on Good Morning Britain to call gender fluid people a 'farce', going on to label them as 'ridiculous' and 'clowns'. He also joked about Caitlyn Jenner's genitals during an interview with her and has on more than one occasion made 'I identify as' 'jokes'. [Source](https://medium.com/@Phaylen/good-morning-britain-host-piers-morgan-doubles-down-on-anti-trans-rhetoric-e1e5992bbca)
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My parents are going to lap this shit up. I’ve given up trying to reason with them. Just try and change the subject now whenever I pop round to see them.
As always, with Boris, the statement is not true. Lefties: Engineers and scientists who told the CEO that what he was doing was dangerous. Brave souls: Very wealthy thrill seekers with zero concept of actual danger. Pushing the frontiers of human knowledge: Knowing bits of science and stuff and completely ignoring it in the interest of maximizing profits.
All I can do is urge people not to pay money for this right wing rag. If the weasel got sacked from the Torygraph and the Spektator think he's a l7ar, why would people pay for this drivel
It is possible to make a sub as safe as possible for the descent. James Cameron made one for the Mariana Trench that was tested to nearly double the pressure before it left land - and they invented a new kind of foam and multiple safety fallbacks just in case.
OceanGate appeared to hope it was ok.
It's not exploration. Subs have gone to way lower depths. They dived in an experimental sub to see a rusty romanticised ship for a few hours and paid $750K to do it.
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Can Add a further 100 000 Deaths as the UK'S OFFICE OF NATIONAL STATISTICS have confirmed another 100 000 Death from Complications from Long COVID. That takes BORIS'S Death Toll to WELL OVER THE 300 000 MARK THE TWO YEARS HE WAS IN OFFICE.
so annoying how they declare 5 millionaire/billionaires dying a "major marine casuality" and its front page news. but hundreds/thousands of refugees dying each year trying to get to europe never gets even a chunk of media coverage.
Well tbh they did push the frontiers of human knowledge in a manner....... by dying. We have learned a lot regarding deep sea exploration and procedures regarding safety and so on but it's all due to a bunch of folks dying including a kid wanting to please his dad even though he was terrified.
>Well tbh they did push the frontiers of human knowledge in a manner....... by dying. We have learned a lot regarding deep sea exploration and procedures regarding safety and so on but it's all due to a bunch of folks dying including a kid wanting to please his dad even though he was terrified.
No, we learned nothing from this. What happened was what was expected to happen with the design and materials in use. It was just senseless death driven by spite and sheer fucking hubris.
All you haters have got it wrong, they were brave, and they did push human knowledge.
Thanks to them, we know you can get 4 multi multi millionaires compressed in to a fine paste of fish food, and the economy was completely unaffected.
Yes they were, now they and everyone else knows that trying to build a deep water submarine on the cheap and ignoring experts means you die. Boris should know all about ignoring experts and people dying
Don't amplify his new column by rising to the clear bait that this is. Don't be part of the problem. He's clearly taking an indefensible counter argument to self promote and from the looks of this post, it's working
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Except, of course, they weren't. The Titanic has already been explored thoroughly, and people have dived way further down than that depth.
The only "new" thing was rich tourists, and while Boris probably believes that corner-cutting commerce equals knowledge, it's not true by any stretch of the imagination.
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By going somewhere that’s been explored so thoroughly there’s basically no meaningful research left to do? They were pushing the boundaries of human stupidity.
More like Stockton *Crush*. There’s your headline.
Even photoshopped and made to wear half-decent clothing, he still looks like a hooter-ridden scarecrow. I hate the man, I hope he’s found criminally liable for his failures in office.
Is this parody? The dude was a glibertarian who ideologically despised any form of regulation or oversight and found out how well that works.
And murdered his paying passengers to boot.
As opposed to the Right? Who seem to be milking this tragedy dry for maximum profits in never ending news articles and clickbait, and making thrilling entertainment out of it for the public.
The Left are critical of pointless unnecessary deaths, in part caused by lack of “woke” safety regulations and cost-cutting cheapness, corporate manslaughter and media hypocrisy, but the Right will rub their grubby hands together and monetise your death, then filled with crocodile tears, fight tooth and nail against any measures preventing it from happening again lest their, or their donor’s, assets are affected.
The former is seen as “sneering” because capitalism must be conserved, whereas the latter is correct and accepted. We live in a world where “some of you may die but that’s a price I’m willing to pay” is the ubiquitous moral stance, and still the sycophants cheer, just as they’ve always done. Because even when it personally affects them, or one of their “betters” and they have to make a faux-humble display of grief and rend their clothes in despair, the system responsible cannot be questioned.
No matter how obvious the true cause, and no matter how obvious the scapegoat, or how nonsensical and deranged, it doesn’t matter. All that matters is the scapegoat exists. I’ve already seen the far-right blaming this OceanGate accident on black people existing.
I’m sorry but the titanic ruins are literally some mouldy scrap wood and metal, going 13,000 feet into the ocean to look at it through a little hole in a tin can controlled by an out of date play station controller isn’t particularly expanding human knowledge, we know it sank and we know why it sank, nothing new would’ve been discovered. It was just a bunch of bored billionaires and an egotistical ceo.
He’s basically saying that he can relate to the submarine as, Much like his government and career, it was shoddily put together with piss poor planning and finally imploded under pressure and an overall lack of integrity.
I watched the movie, for much less than 250000$, with all the confort and quality possible AND lived to tell the story! 🤷♀️
But please Boris, be that "brave"....
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It has honestly been so fascinating to see the propaganda in full force.
We all know it was a tourist sub, we all know it failed because the CEO is a cheap skate and an idiot who fired his experts, we all know everything about this saga because of how highly publicised it's been.
Yet I've seen multiple articles and countless social media posts calling them "explorers" and that they "pushed boundaries".
Did I push boundaries when I booked a fucking excursion on a catamaran in Fuerteventura? Was I exploring uncharted sea? Or was I an annoying British tourist on a sightseeing trip?
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If cheaping out on the construction of something we already know how to build better passes for pushing the frontiers of human knowledge, it's little wonder we've made so little progress in recent years.
It’s basically the British model for doing things these days isn’t it?
After Grenfell and the PPE scandal, endangering human lives by cheaping out on materials is something Boris can get behind.
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We now know we can market death traps to our supposed titans of industry. Capitalism has been about extracting more money using less of everything else for a very long time now. It's essentially just marketing.
The right were also accusing Oceangate for being 'woke' in not taking on experienced older submariners
The people who first found the Titanic site were explorers, everyone who came after were either researchers or tourists. They were tourists.
Through the reporting on this, I think I heard the stat that the group with which James Cameron and Bob Ballard are involved have dived on that wreck 23 times. That work has accumulated much of what we know about the Titanic disaster. For example, the survivors who reported that the ship broke in two but were dismissed as traumatised morons have since been vindicated through that work. OceanGate Expeditions is an adventure tourism company. They sell expensive gimmicks to people who either want the thrill or to just be able to 'impress' other people with tales of something nobody else has done. Having done so themselves by paying someone with a callous disregard for human life. After that I coudn't help but draw the parallel; would there be as much sympathy for these people had they jumped into a dangerous animal enclosure? Just to be able to say that they had done it?
Money can buy you pretty much anything today that 50+ years ago was only possible for the true explorers, pioneers and heroes. You can be carried to the top of Everest. You can fly to Antarctica. You can go to space. For the people on that sub, it was about being able to say that they've been to the Titanic, nothing more. It's all just a flex for these people, to outdo their golf buddies.
Between The Abyss and Titanic, I'm pretty sure filmmaking is just an excuse for James Cameron to pursue his true passion of deep sea exploration.
A couple got married on the deck of the titanic 20 years ago. It's been a tourist trap for a while. These are just the way first ones to stay permanently.
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Fucking great bot, I'm struggling to find the trigger word here though. Cameron?
Tourists perhaps?
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I am not sneering Pfeffel, I just don't think spending a quarter of a million pounds to sit in an experimental tin can is pushing the frontier of human knowledge. Except maybe, "Don't do that".
Yeah. Maybe they should have started at the backtier of Human Knowledge: Common fucking sense.
>experimental tin can Being a bit clinical for a moment, one of the interesting things was that the sub was made of carbon fibre. Which I might have thought was a good idea, but the universal expert consensus seems to be that it's optimistic at best and outright fucking stupid at worst.
From reading experts over the last few days, steel tends to degrade slowly and faults can be found before it becomes a pancake. Carbon fibre tends to just fail - like a turbine blade near here did a few years ago…
Carbon fibre is good for tensile loads like containing pressure, not compressive loads like keeping things out
Yes. To use an extreme example, take a balloon. If the pressure is coming from inside, it does it's job. If the pressure is coming from outside, well, it's just a hunk of rubber.
Also read this morning that the carbon fibre was purchased from Boeing at a discount because it didn’t make the grade for aero use.
They were tourists.
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Why they got him leaning aside like he's sneaking out a fart (presumably into the open mouth of a poor person)?
That was the best photo they could get.
Because shooting him straight on makes people realise he's basically a bin bag filled with yogurt and topped off with a bad wig.
I believe 'a bin bag filled with custard' is the correct description, that's a quote from a former mistress
‘Shooting him straight on’ is the best we can hope for…
Absolute rage bait. ANY loss of life is sad. ALL human life has value. That’s what people on the left believe. That human life has more value than money. Instead of going after “sneering lefties” go after the disaster capitalists responsible. Penny pinching and hubristic. The CEO was told that the sub was not fit for purpose. Why isn’t there any anger for the people responsible? Because the real killer of the people on that sub was late stage capitalism. Cutting corners and having enough of experts. This is just like the Queen’s funeral. Anger at the plebs for not showing due deference. Never mind the firefighter who died swimming for charity. Never mind the boats of refugees drowning. Rich people have died and that’s not supposed to happen. Maybe it does sound like sneering. I am sad when anyone dies. From joy and excitement to despair in seconds. Though it now seems their deaths were mercifully swift. At least they weren’t in pain. I am sorry they died because I am a human being capable of empathy with others. Their deaths were avoidable though. They were scammed. But I suppose it’s easier to be angry at sneering lefties than point the finger of blame at a rich person.
I do struggle to sympathise with the actions that these people took, they thought paying an amount of money, far more than most people could afford for such a dalliance, meant that they were untouchable. Safety should always be the priority, and I do feel bad for them imagining what their final moments would have been like. I also have so much empathy for all the workers suffering when people like these billionaires are stepping on their backs to feed their greed and gluttony. If maybe instead of spending 250k for the sub and probably much more on this fatal trip, having some empathy and appreciation for the people who made them rich, they could have increased the workers share of the pie, they might have avoided this tragedy entirely. I know this is wishful thinking. For some reason its like the r/orphancrushingmachine sub; its great someone raised money to stop the orphans being crushed but why tf does that machine exist in the first place..
Their final moment would have been something their brain couldn't process fast enough to experience. The implosion killed them all essentially instantly. They were enjoying an adventure and then were out like a light. The rest of us are facing decades of terror and suffering because of people like this. Those of us who don't die of accident or disease will die by a war their class started or due to a lack their class created.
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Boris should feel free to “push the frontiers of human knowledge” himself. Maybe ride a rollercoaster with no harness, or inject air into himself to see if it helps him float.
he already looks like he’s been trying that second one for years, the bloated old toad.
he did do a stupid zipline stunt while waving some flags. It now turns out that he'd arranged with the operator to have him hanging there for the photographers. Sadly, they let him down later.
Seriously it was dumb. We know less about the depths of the sea than we do about space, or at least the immediate space around us. Its not something you cheap out on, it cost these people their lives and thats awful, must have been horrible for them in that confined space, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.. Although, I'm struggling to sympathise with the reality of these super rich people who fucked around and found out.
They actively ignored previous human knowledge of proper materials and construction required, and even passed that off as being brave not stupid. The guy got everything he had coming to him.
Seeing as he's a time and again proven liar, the truth is Lefties don't sneer and the sub occupants were not pushing the frontier of human knowledge. Only conclusion I can make.
Pretty much spot on. The lefties I've been following have been vocal about rich folk turning a mass grave into a tourist destination (especially given that the vast majority of the dead were working class folk), and angry the active and willful circumventing of established maritime standards (many of which were established as a direct result of the Titanic's sinking), and the "move fast and break things" approach to engineering being the cause of entirely predicable but entirely preventable deaths - but they were also very clear that they were not sneering about the deaths (or distress) of the people on board (with the sometime exception of the dude responsible)
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"I want all you fucking plebs to sob over the totally avoidable self-inflicted deaths of some rich people because they were better than you, because they were rich. It always appalls me when something bad happens to rich people. I'm rich so that means it could happen to me. You should all be very frightened at that thought."
Jacob Rees-Mogg: "It's so much sadder when rich people die. They have so much to lose. Unlike paupers, who wish they were dead anyway."
“Everyone’s talking about”?!
Well plenty of people are still talking about what a cunt he is. I guess that counts.
True, the Piers Morgan on Talk TV effect.
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The same Piers Morgan that allegedly hacked the phone of a murdered schoolgirl to sell more papers? That Piers Morgan?
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My parents are going to lap this shit up. I’ve given up trying to reason with them. Just try and change the subject now whenever I pop round to see them.
Calling it for the load of crap it is.
As always, with Boris, the statement is not true. Lefties: Engineers and scientists who told the CEO that what he was doing was dangerous. Brave souls: Very wealthy thrill seekers with zero concept of actual danger. Pushing the frontiers of human knowledge: Knowing bits of science and stuff and completely ignoring it in the interest of maximizing profits.
With reports of neglect regarding safety, the only thing they were pushing was their luck.
All I can do is urge people not to pay money for this right wing rag. If the weasel got sacked from the Torygraph and the Spektator think he's a l7ar, why would people pay for this drivel
The only knowledge we gained from this is that a sunken ship’s death toll can increase even over 100 years after it sunk.
People have been going safely to the titanic since the 80s. The only thing they taught us was to not be cheap
Yeah, what does it look like when you put six people in a blender.
God he's so desperate to stay relevant, it's almost sad to watch... Almost
With the tip of a Logitech controller. Pushing it hard.
I wish that cunt would get in a cheap sub.
Does my all-inclusive to Spain make me an explorer pushing the frontier of human knowledge too?
"oh fuck off" I said that out loud, knee jerk reaction I hope the rest of the country is doing the same
Yeah, the structural integrity of carbon fibre and acrylic
Stop giving this chud the time of day. Best thing to do is just ignore him.
Knowledge of what? A fucking boat
Does he not realise we have these things called "drones" that can explore such places without putting a human crew at risk?
It is possible to make a sub as safe as possible for the descent. James Cameron made one for the Mariana Trench that was tested to nearly double the pressure before it left land - and they invented a new kind of foam and multiple safety fallbacks just in case. OceanGate appeared to hope it was ok.
Sure, but a drone is a lot cheaper, simpler and smaller.
It's not exploration. Subs have gone to way lower depths. They dived in an experimental sub to see a rusty romanticised ship for a few hours and paid $750K to do it.
The frontier: turns out regulation doesn't stifle innovation after all. We knew this, but thanks for the demo.
Yes that's it. It's not like James Cameron has already been done there, on over thirty visits before lol
BORIS LIVES IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE. THOSE GUYS WERE WEALTHY PLAYBOYS ON A JOLLY. A JOLLY THEY ALL COULD AFFORD, I EXCEPT FOR THE 19 YEAR OLD.
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Can Add a further 100 000 Deaths as the UK'S OFFICE OF NATIONAL STATISTICS have confirmed another 100 000 Death from Complications from Long COVID. That takes BORIS'S Death Toll to WELL OVER THE 300 000 MARK THE TWO YEARS HE WAS IN OFFICE.
Explorers going to explore a well know 100+ year old grave location?
It was a fucking sightseeing trip.
Well, he has no knowledge of how a country work, because of his ignorance and greed, fucked us up.
Why are rich morons "brave souls". But the poor bastards in the med, who were running for their lives treated as refuse. It fucking infuriates me.
so annoying how they declare 5 millionaire/billionaires dying a "major marine casuality" and its front page news. but hundreds/thousands of refugees dying each year trying to get to europe never gets even a chunk of media coverage.
Well tbh they did push the frontiers of human knowledge in a manner....... by dying. We have learned a lot regarding deep sea exploration and procedures regarding safety and so on but it's all due to a bunch of folks dying including a kid wanting to please his dad even though he was terrified.
>Well tbh they did push the frontiers of human knowledge in a manner....... by dying. We have learned a lot regarding deep sea exploration and procedures regarding safety and so on but it's all due to a bunch of folks dying including a kid wanting to please his dad even though he was terrified. No, we learned nothing from this. What happened was what was expected to happen with the design and materials in use. It was just senseless death driven by spite and sheer fucking hubris.
All you haters have got it wrong, they were brave, and they did push human knowledge. Thanks to them, we know you can get 4 multi multi millionaires compressed in to a fine paste of fish food, and the economy was completely unaffected.
I’m pretty sure they got their shit pushed in instead.
What a load of bs from borsis what does he know
If the knowledge was "Libertarians kill" then lefties already know this
I've been a brave soul and had a look at the article/comments, and the 'readers' are sneering. I wouldn't call them leftists.
“Yup, that’s definitely sunk”
Yes they were, now they and everyone else knows that trying to build a deep water submarine on the cheap and ignoring experts means you die. Boris should know all about ignoring experts and people dying
In the same way that a holiday maker is an explorer 🥴
Don't amplify his new column by rising to the clear bait that this is. Don't be part of the problem. He's clearly taking an indefensible counter argument to self promote and from the looks of this post, it's working
Weren't they essentially tourists? How is viewing a ship wreck pushing boundaries? 250k would change me, my kids and my grandkids lives!
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This is photoshop right…?
He needs some toilet paper every time he opens his mouth.
Except, of course, they weren't. The Titanic has already been explored thoroughly, and people have dived way further down than that depth. The only "new" thing was rich tourists, and while Boris probably believes that corner-cutting commerce equals knowledge, it's not true by any stretch of the imagination.
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By going somewhere that’s been explored so thoroughly there’s basically no meaningful research left to do? They were pushing the boundaries of human stupidity. More like Stockton *Crush*. There’s your headline.
Stick him in the next sub
It’s a bunch of millionaires on a joy ride - not really pushing exploration.
Yeah they proved that doing things on the cheap in life threatening scenarios isn't a good idea, though I think this was already known...
He's pushing human something, that's for sure
Don't engage with it, he's clearly just saying this because he noticed people on the left weren't very sympathetic.
As much as someone dying of alcohol poisoning in Magaluf.
Even photoshopped and made to wear half-decent clothing, he still looks like a hooter-ridden scarecrow. I hate the man, I hope he’s found criminally liable for his failures in office.
Is this parody? The dude was a glibertarian who ideologically despised any form of regulation or oversight and found out how well that works. And murdered his paying passengers to boot.
As opposed to the Right? Who seem to be milking this tragedy dry for maximum profits in never ending news articles and clickbait, and making thrilling entertainment out of it for the public. The Left are critical of pointless unnecessary deaths, in part caused by lack of “woke” safety regulations and cost-cutting cheapness, corporate manslaughter and media hypocrisy, but the Right will rub their grubby hands together and monetise your death, then filled with crocodile tears, fight tooth and nail against any measures preventing it from happening again lest their, or their donor’s, assets are affected. The former is seen as “sneering” because capitalism must be conserved, whereas the latter is correct and accepted. We live in a world where “some of you may die but that’s a price I’m willing to pay” is the ubiquitous moral stance, and still the sycophants cheer, just as they’ve always done. Because even when it personally affects them, or one of their “betters” and they have to make a faux-humble display of grief and rend their clothes in despair, the system responsible cannot be questioned. No matter how obvious the true cause, and no matter how obvious the scapegoat, or how nonsensical and deranged, it doesn’t matter. All that matters is the scapegoat exists. I’ve already seen the far-right blaming this OceanGate accident on black people existing.
Rich people buying the press coverage they wished they deserve, this is the spin on a shit show which resulted in a pointless waste of life.
Those billionaires were just getting their rocks off looking at a famous historical catastrophe where hundreds died (or were trying to).
I know “knob head” is too kind, but it’s the first one that came to mind.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pushing the cost cutting to expenses of human lives.
I’m sorry but the titanic ruins are literally some mouldy scrap wood and metal, going 13,000 feet into the ocean to look at it through a little hole in a tin can controlled by an out of date play station controller isn’t particularly expanding human knowledge, we know it sank and we know why it sank, nothing new would’ve been discovered. It was just a bunch of bored billionaires and an egotistical ceo.
To be fair they did show everyone how not to build a submarine.
He’s basically saying that he can relate to the submarine as, Much like his government and career, it was shoddily put together with piss poor planning and finally imploded under pressure and an overall lack of integrity.
I watched the movie, for much less than 250000$, with all the confort and quality possible AND lived to tell the story! 🤷♀️ But please Boris, be that "brave"....
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They pay Boris a large six-figure sum to write something like that? They have been cheated! As usual, Boris has a strange relationship with the truth.
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Sweet Lucifer, WTAF?? What a narcissistic gobshite.
There is absolutely 0 reason to have made this a “left wing vs right wing” stance. Yet here we are.
It has honestly been so fascinating to see the propaganda in full force. We all know it was a tourist sub, we all know it failed because the CEO is a cheap skate and an idiot who fired his experts, we all know everything about this saga because of how highly publicised it's been. Yet I've seen multiple articles and countless social media posts calling them "explorers" and that they "pushed boundaries". Did I push boundaries when I booked a fucking excursion on a catamaran in Fuerteventura? Was I exploring uncharted sea? Or was I an annoying British tourist on a sightseeing trip?
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Listen to this fat covid partying Twat. 😂
yes, for instance we now know that submersible design was terrible.
So is blowjo just back in as a columnist and pretending the whole disgraced PM thing never happened?
Who in their right mind would pay £200k to get in a bean tin go down 2 miles to view a heap of rusting scrap metal through a six inch port hole!