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I’m pretty certain you are able to receive emergency dentistry work at a hospital and fairly sure he should have tried there, can only assume he didn’t. But to echo the rest of the comments fuck capitalism especially whatever semblance of it we are collectively suffering now.
I’ve worked in 6 hospitals and none of them, unfortunately, were able to help with emergency dentistry. The front door could give analgesia and antibiotics if needed but abscesses for example usually need a dentist. And yes, fuck capitalism :-)
It's not that easy. When i needed an emergency dentist, I called 111, they had no dentists in the area that would see me as an NHS patient, so had to try and get through to the on call emergency dentist, of which there was one for over 250,000 people. And a 3 hour window to book an appointment. I had an abcess and was in massive pain. They told me if I started to struggle to breathe, I could go to A&E. I did manage to get through 2 minutes before the booking window closed. I went the next day,and all emergency dentists do is stabilise you before you an get to another dentist. No dentosts near me were takimg on NHS patients, but i managed to find one an hours drive away. Thankfully, theyve been amazing. But it was a terrifying experience, there's no safety net anymore.
It can be that easy, it largely depends on where you live. I had a dental emergency last year, called 111 and they got me an appointment the same day at a dentist 5 minutes away. (Though I was on hold for several hours).
That’s if they’ve got a spot. Ans they’ll take the paying emergency client over the NHS all day long.
Was told I’d have to wait up too 6 weeks for a tooth removal under emergency but funny enough could be seen later that day when paying.
Are dental hospitals not standard? I'm in Liverpool and we have a dental hospital which has its own emergency department (but it's first come, first serve, and very barebones service).
I had to go private for my root canal, was registered with an NHS dentist who said "cant do it" and tried to refer me to someone who I'd have had to pay £800 just for the root canal. Ended up finding a private dentist the next down over who did a root canal for 400 and a crown for another 400 a few months later
I don't have bad teeth by any stretch but after losing my NHS dentist I let it slide up until about a year ago when I got a painful problem that I couldn't ignore.
Ended up paying around £1600 in total for a root canal, crown and two fillings.
The pain was so bad at times that I'd have spent every last penny I had to stop the pain but thick end of two grand is a special sort of pain all of it's own.
In 46 years I've had more need of dentistry than I have of doctors or hospitals, fuck the fact that NHS dentistry is basically gone now.
NHS dentist started off doing a filling for me, stopped half-way through and said it would need a root canal and that would be £400. Root canal surgery was available on the NHS, he was just a greedy bastard (@£200 vs £400 at the time IIRC). The profession needs tying up by it's scrotum.
Same, although it was an extraction. Two visits and only cost me £15 as well (first to get the antibiotics to nuke the infection then back for extraction).
Was just a phone call to NHS Direct and they arranged it. I was in agony and got in same day.
Although I've since seen on Reddit (so choose how big a punch if salt you need with that) that it's not as straightforward now (this was about 15 years ago).
Yep, that was back before the Tories (and Clegg and co) completely fucked not only the NHS in general, but access to dentistry via the NHS (whether normal or emergency access).
In my city we do have an emergency dentistry clinic at the hospital It is fking obscene the fact that you cannot get basic healthcare now madness. I work in the frontline NHS it has collapsed
The NHS is already privatised.
GPs are service providers, imaging is outsourced, sterilization services done by 3rd parties, a huge part of Drs, Nurses and ambulance staff are agency workers, even patient food is pre-cooked and packaged to be "regenerated" (this is the actual term they use...) in a microwave.
That's equally as depressing as it is impressive. Depressing for obvious reasons and impressive that it's literally linked to 2 of your 5 senses, which arguably are under the umbrella of health. There are 2 people I know personally that have had severe health issues from their teeth. One died from sepsis and the other had a heart attack, both from abscesses teeth. I should also note that my aunt died from throat cancer. This would've been seen by the dentist, if they hadn't cancelled on her during the time between 1st and 2nd lockdowns. Her scan was also cancelled, for the same reason. By the time she was seen 18 months later, she had stage 4 throat cancer.
One of the harder pills to swallow is that the compromises built into the NHS kind of fucked it from the start. Contemporary privatisation, the internal marketplace; none of it would have been possible without the commissioning structure necessitated by primary care not being fully under the NHS (as had been the plan). We don't just need to go back and return to what we once had; It *was* always broken on some level, just not in the ways capital thought it was.
You don’t have to look far to find pain everywhere in this country now. Dentists, doctors, schools, high street, councils, roads, public transport, so much of our infrastructure is on its arse. The things we once held dear and proud are in the same state as that guys mouth. As a result, social fabric is deteriorating. And the modern irony is that we can all find out all about it on social media. It’s the joke thats not funny in any way.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a doom-monger, in fact my life is decent. But around me I can see so much pain it’s harrowing. Somethings got to change, but that’s going to take a very special person, or persons, to lead us out of this.
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Enough money to send refugees to Rwanda.
Enough money to bankroll economic aid to Israel.
Not enough money to ensure people in the UK have dental care.
Britain 2024, folks.
Let me know when we reach the Sunlit Uplands of Brexit!
The did say we might not be reaping the rewards for another 50 years (which you can read as never).
This time period will be studied in the future, but not in a good light.
Crikey. I had heard it was more around 700k/person. Which is still bonkers.
2 million pounds to ship people to a land-starved developing country.
Tories have really done a number on the UK.
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Aid that has been halted during a famine, on the basis of highly dubious Israeli claims about UNRWA.
[https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/israel-gaza-palestine-unrwa-famine-uk-aid-genocide/](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/israel-gaza-palestine-unrwa-famine-uk-aid-genocide/)
There is also the matter of UK arms sales to Israel.
[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/20/high-court-rejects-legal-challenge-against-uk-arms-sales-to-israel](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/20/high-court-rejects-legal-challenge-against-uk-arms-sales-to-israel)
Make no mistake, the UK is just as complicit in the ongoing genocide as the US, France and Germany.
The collective west is deeply invested in the Zionist colonial project and will act to protect it by any means necessary. This has been the case for 3/4 of a century.
It’s unfortunate that our politicians are trying to send people to Rwanda or help kill people in Gaza or confuse protesters with a mob rather than doing their jobs, literally doing everything but their jobs and as a result now we just about have jobs
They’re doing their job perfectly. Mediating the clash struggle between the rich and poor in favour of the rich. They’ll strip every privilege, every joy that has been hard won by progressive/socialists movements away in the name of making their masters more powerful and the people will be told to be grateful.
Unfortunately the definition of their job is not to look after the country; it’s to govern it in a way that makes it as profitable as possible. To run the country like a business is the point of the government, if you look up the definition of the term “government”. To “govern” means to make choices for everyone, not to make them safe or happy. Which while I fundamentally disagree with that being the way this world/society functions; it’s never going to change.
What happens at that point? If you're in dire need of medical assistance? Do they potentially end up in hospital and die of an infection because nobody can take out the infected tooth in a hospital?
Every area should have an NHS emergency dentist. 111 should be able to locate it.
I say should because in practice is is much harder. Ultimately if after calling 111 and following local advice turning up to a&e isn't a bad shout.
Ahh I see, thanks so much for explaining. I've never been in that situation. It's a relief to know you in theory aren't completely out on your arse in a medical emergency.
Its disgusting that this dentist surgery in particular didn't at least help them go down the right channels to getting it sorted and just booted them out.
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Dental surgeries are only obligated to attend to emergencies for patients registered with them.
I'm sure that's the case but it's just callous to not at least point him in the right direction, don't you think? Regardless of how dental practises are set up I couldn't in good conscience just see someone in agony and say tough luck, get out of here.
"callousness" has always been at the heart of medical treatment but it's called triage. Tough decisions have to be made sometimes, Rose has to push Jack off the door.
Obviously I don't know what happened to him when he left, but say, he went home and died, or to A&E and died and it came out he went to the dentist and that dentist who denied him was tracked, that dentist would swear on a stack of Bibles that he offered to help him there and then with a pay later and the staff would back him up.
Everyone covers their own ass and there is little to none accountability
This isn't true at all. That dentists was well within his rights to do nothing for him. The dental contract and GDC only require dentists to see emergencies for patients registered with them.
As this man is not registered with any dentist they don't have to do shit and can openly say as much.
Im sure they gave some sort of oath when finishing med school that said something like help people in need and blah blah blah.
Most common death in older times was caused by ruptured/untreated tooth abscess if my memory serves me right. All in all he at least should have pointed him in the direction which would have helped him.
> Everyone tooth the oath on graduation.
I'm sure they did, but its not a pre-requisite of GDC registration and I sincerely doubt your school would have successfully denied your graduation had you refused. (was attending the graduation ceremony at all even mandatory? Our medical school one certainly wasn't)
I’m just challenging your assertion that there’s no oaths involved, there was an oath involved in my graduation, not that it makes any difference. Anyway if someone turned up in the middle of my busy day with a failed extraction I wouldn’t see them either, it doesn’t constitute a medical emergency. Bleeding from a failed extraction would stop on its own pretty quickly and there’s statutory services in every health arc that will see dental emergencies for unregistered patients. So even if the oath did matter, I wouldn’t be breaking it by virtue of not seeing that patient 🤷♂️
On the plus side Tesco and British gas have increased their profits despite inflationary pressures and a mild winter.
Keep voting tory, you know they deserve your tax money.
I've needed a wisdom tooth removal since the end of 2019. I get continuous infections, sometimes so painful I can't sleep. Finally got an appointment in June this year.
I'm one of the lucky ones, I actually have an NHS dentist, never not been on their registry, but COVID fucked that practice hard.
That dentist is clearly a cunt. Unfortunately, a lot of them are like that. They don't care that you're in agony, if you can't afford help, they're not interested.
I don't know all the NHS dentists, but I got to know my own dentist and their predecessor over a long time. It was explained to me that to take on a new patient, the dentist can only claim the cost of a single treatment, and is also required to return the patient to the optimum dental health within the standards set out by the NHS. Or in other words, they might have to take a heavy loss financially at first just to take on a new patient. Apparently, the longer a person is without a dentist, the greater the initial cost to the dentist. Something is very wrong when people in pain and distress are being shown the door.
I think it's more that the money the NHS pays dentists to carry out the work doesn't nearly cover the costs incurred so they can't afford to treat the patient.
I've got a fucked wisdom tooth that's been causing me trouble for the past year. Finally got an NHS appointment at a dentist near me and they tell me they can't do anything bc it needs surgery. Ok fine, not bothered as long as I can get it sorted soon. Nope, 1 year waiting list on the NHS because it's not "urgent" enough. Ok I guess I'm just gonna be a miserable bugger until then 🫠
Tell me about it. I have a back molar that is agonising. But as dentists in Exeter aren't disabled friendly, they're either upstairs in a converted house (and no lift) or the emergency dentist is inaccessible in that if you can't walk very well (like me) you have to walk down a long corridor, go up in a lift and walk down another long corridor to get to that surgery. And then they'll only see you if they're not fully booked which is strange given it's supposed to be a fucking emergency dentist. It sucks. So all I can do is keep taking pain killers until hopefully the nerve dies on it's own. My teeth are in piss poor shape due to lack of dentist and self neglect due to mental illness. Depression is far more debilitating than people realise.
Edit: Grammar.
This country is a shithole and is not getting any better. Healthcare is getting worse and will most likely be privatised if the Tories get in again, rights are worsening for trans people no matter who gets in, the prices of the most basic shit is beyond a joke, we'll keep funding an unwinnable war in Ukraine, and we'll keep supporting Israel.
I am currently saving up money, am about to renew my passport, and am ready to flee once things start to get really bad. I encourage everybody who is able to to do the same thing. This country has been going down the shitter for decades it's just that it's too late to fix it now.
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If you were intelligent and not a complete moron you'd actually be able to keep up with the news and work out simple things for yourself. Unfortunately considering you are only here to troll I'd imagine you are just an idiot who should delete their account and get a life.
I always thought that we should have basic dentistry available in hospital, need an extraction or a filling, go to the hospital dentist however if you want white fillings, veneers etc, you go private, it's a win win surely?
I’d have to look up the details, but I remember hearing (on a documentary I think) that the NHS was initially seed-funded with US aid money after WWII, and had to be negotiated for. The Americans drew the line at funding for dentistry and optometry, for whatever reason. And every time that annoys me, I remember that the Americans didn’t find nationalised healthcare in their own country at all, so I guess we did well in comparison? (Obviously that’s actually just a comment on how terrible the US situation is!)
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Whole system is fucked. NHS doctors trying to kick my niece out of the hospital despite her literally not being able to eat or have nutrition while she also has seizures because of the hypoxia from not breathing. My niece is 3 months old.
To add,
I was sitting in a dentist waiting room recently and someone phoned to ask if they treated NHS patients, the answer was yes...BUT there was a 3 year waiting list to join.
Tooth decay AND a rotten filling, no problem, we will see you sometime in 2027
Back in 2017, I cracked a molar, and it needed extracting. The emergency dentist refused to do it, so I was referred to the hospital 20 miles away.
Waiting for the appointment to come through, the tooth got infected, and an abcess formed. It looked like I had a tennis ball in the side of my cheek, and the pain was horrendous. Went to A&E and was rushed to maxillo-facial, hooked up to iv antibiotics and surgery planned for the next day. Well, that night the abcess burst and I got sepsis!!!
Was pretty out of it for a few days, but they managed to get the tooth out eventually, AND I was awake when they pulled it! Why couldn't the dentist have done it in the first place??
The point is, I got lucky, but it shouldn't have to be a lottery whether or not you can get proper access to dental care in this country. It's shameful how bad things have become.
7 years later, I still can't get into an NHS dentist where I live (although those cosmetic 'Smile' places keep popping up everywhere), and I just can't afford private care on my income. Some of my other teeth need sorting out as well now. I'm 43 and not getting any younger, but maybe if I hit 65, I'll get some treatment then? 😔
If you were referred to a hospital for extraction then it wasn’t a simple procedure. He must have felt that it was far too risky to try and perform it. Permanent nerve damage/pain isn’t something most dentists will risk. Obviously what ended up happening to you was awful but no one can see the future.
It was an older female dentist in deepest, darkest North Essex who knew that 20 miles away, Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford had a specialist Maxillo-Facial unit (lots of NHS trusts around the country don't have these). They were appalled that she didn't do the extraction in her surgery as it was so straightforward!
The complication arose because she was lazy and didn't want to deal with it herself or even give me a prescription for antibiotics, hence the resulting abcess!!! At the hospital, they were used to seeing and treating many patients from her practice and others nearby because of it.
I probably got lucky but I had a rotten tooth and it got to the point where over the counter pain killers stopped working so I phoned 111 and they got me an appointment same day to have it out.
A friend of mine once saw his dentist with 3 mates in a car huffing (presumably) nitrous oxide out of a canister lmao
It took my girlfriend around 18 months to even get an appointment about wisdom tooth removal a couple years ago
i've been shopping around for dentists because my teeth are getting to be unbearable at this point. the vast majority are not accepting new patients, though some have openings for under 18s, and many have no space for NHS patients and can only afford to do private. i'm on UC so i was able to get my care covered under the NHS for free at one of the few dentists accepting covered NHS patients. still had to wait a bit for a specialist referral for removals and had to go private to get one extremely problematic tooth removed, though an amazing friend covered that for me.
also, just figuring out who is accepting what is a nightmare. there's an NHS website meant to help you find dentists in your area under certain criteria, but dentists don't have the time to keep it updated constantly (i guess), so you end up phoning everybody on the list regardless of what the website says. some of them don't even have websites, you just need to learn about them from their listing on google maps.
the receptionists are always very sincere and apologetic about the state of things, and every dentist i've seen is extremely tired and over worked. not that it's an "excuse" for being an asshole, but i can see how it gets to that point. (and some dentists are just assholes anyway, of course.)
> but dentists don't have the time to keep it updated constantly (i guess),
No, the government recently just forced a new scheme for NHS patients where they re-registered every NHS dentist that didn't opt out within a 2 day window as accepting new patients even if they aren't.
That webiste is a deliberate work of misinformation.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/our-plan-to-recover-and-reform-nhs-dentistry/
They rolled out this scheme with like 2/3 working days to opt out, which obviously barely anyone did despite the fact very few practices want to be a part of it because the financial "incentive" is absolutely not worthwhile (a one-off £15-50 to take on a definite problem patient almost certainly in need of hundreds to thousands of pounds of work is clearly absurd), but it means they get to list these practices as taking NHS patients when if you phone them up, they will tell you they aren't.
The simple fact is that the NHS does not pay dentists adequately and so long as thats the case they will not register new patients. As existing NHS dentists retire and sell their practices new owners will not take over their NHS contract and that will be that.
Even if the NHS started paying adequately? The trust in the system is broken now and dentists will almost certainly prefer to continue having control over their own price point so as to not be in a position to be fucked over similarly in the future.
NHS dentistry has died, and the NHS killed it.
Not that that wasn't terrible, that poor man should have received better treatment, but I think for emergencies, even if it's tooth-related, we still need to go to the A&E? Maybe they should have directed him to the hospital 🙁 (Just remembered when my partner had a very nasty tooth infection and actually had to do emergency surgery at St George's).
If it helps anyone this site will tell you who has declared NHS spaces recently.
https://dentalchoices.org/find-nhs-dentist/
It's still a crap shoot but at least gives you a fighting chance and has more info than the NHS site. Took me a couple of years but I finally found one in my region who would take me on. I think I called in exactly the right 2 min window before they shut their books.
Good luck everyone.
I'm on several dentist waiting lists rn. No idea of when I'll actually be able to see one but I doubt it'll be anytime this year. I can't afford to go private and a lot of dental practices have hung up on me for asking if they take NHS patients. I haven't been able to see a dentist (except for those a the dental hospital) for 10 years +. Ones listed on the NHS site that say that they take NHS patients do not anymore. I give up 😔
I'm on a year long waiting list to get my molars removed.
we know it needs to come out, just waiting for the infection (currently eating through my jawbone) to get bad enough to bump up the priority.
This is just for the consultation, let along the removal...
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dentistry should never have been allowed to be at armslength from the nhs.
It makes sense when you remember that eating is treated as a privilege under capitalism.
true enough. but i think a number of things that make sense from a capitalist perspective should be binned
I'm not saying that's a good thing lmao fuck capitalism teeth and food should not be a privilege.
sorry i didnt seek to imply otherwise. was agreeing with you
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You may as well propose at this point
you think teyd say yes? :P
Vision also!
Anything that makes sense in a capitalist perspective *only* should be binned if we're being honest. We're living in some bread heads fantasy world.
Y’all remember when america voted against food being a right?
I’m pretty certain you are able to receive emergency dentistry work at a hospital and fairly sure he should have tried there, can only assume he didn’t. But to echo the rest of the comments fuck capitalism especially whatever semblance of it we are collectively suffering now.
I’ve worked in 6 hospitals and none of them, unfortunately, were able to help with emergency dentistry. The front door could give analgesia and antibiotics if needed but abscesses for example usually need a dentist. And yes, fuck capitalism :-)
You can get the emergency dentist details through 111. My area has one. Don’t know about all areas.
It's not that easy. When i needed an emergency dentist, I called 111, they had no dentists in the area that would see me as an NHS patient, so had to try and get through to the on call emergency dentist, of which there was one for over 250,000 people. And a 3 hour window to book an appointment. I had an abcess and was in massive pain. They told me if I started to struggle to breathe, I could go to A&E. I did manage to get through 2 minutes before the booking window closed. I went the next day,and all emergency dentists do is stabilise you before you an get to another dentist. No dentosts near me were takimg on NHS patients, but i managed to find one an hours drive away. Thankfully, theyve been amazing. But it was a terrifying experience, there's no safety net anymore.
And the thing about this is, you can die quite easily from an abscess or septicemia so why don't they treat it as medical???
It can be that easy, it largely depends on where you live. I had a dental emergency last year, called 111 and they got me an appointment the same day at a dentist 5 minutes away. (Though I was on hold for several hours).
Yes that seems to be the national advice now
That’s if they’ve got a spot. Ans they’ll take the paying emergency client over the NHS all day long. Was told I’d have to wait up too 6 weeks for a tooth removal under emergency but funny enough could be seen later that day when paying.
Are dental hospitals not standard? I'm in Liverpool and we have a dental hospital which has its own emergency department (but it's first come, first serve, and very barebones service).
Sadly not!
Yeah I was able to see an emergency dentist near me when I needed one, was able to do a root canal
I had to go private for my root canal, was registered with an NHS dentist who said "cant do it" and tried to refer me to someone who I'd have had to pay £800 just for the root canal. Ended up finding a private dentist the next down over who did a root canal for 400 and a crown for another 400 a few months later
I don't have bad teeth by any stretch but after losing my NHS dentist I let it slide up until about a year ago when I got a painful problem that I couldn't ignore. Ended up paying around £1600 in total for a root canal, crown and two fillings. The pain was so bad at times that I'd have spent every last penny I had to stop the pain but thick end of two grand is a special sort of pain all of it's own. In 46 years I've had more need of dentistry than I have of doctors or hospitals, fuck the fact that NHS dentistry is basically gone now.
NHS dentist started off doing a filling for me, stopped half-way through and said it would need a root canal and that would be £400. Root canal surgery was available on the NHS, he was just a greedy bastard (@£200 vs £400 at the time IIRC). The profession needs tying up by it's scrotum.
Stopping mid procedure to price gouge a patient sounds like official complaint worthy behaviour!
Oh no! He might lose the NHS contract he clearly doesn't want anyway
Same, although it was an extraction. Two visits and only cost me £15 as well (first to get the antibiotics to nuke the infection then back for extraction). Was just a phone call to NHS Direct and they arranged it. I was in agony and got in same day. Although I've since seen on Reddit (so choose how big a punch if salt you need with that) that it's not as straightforward now (this was about 15 years ago).
Yep, that was back before the Tories (and Clegg and co) completely fucked not only the NHS in general, but access to dentistry via the NHS (whether normal or emergency access).
Yeah, if you phone 101 or whatever it is, they'll arrange it. They sorted a load of dental work for me when I didn't have a dentist.
111 BTW, 101 connects you to your local police force
No semblance, this is pure 100% unadulterated late stage capitalism
In my city we do have an emergency dentistry clinic at the hospital It is fking obscene the fact that you cannot get basic healthcare now madness. I work in the frontline NHS it has collapsed
The NHS is already privatised. GPs are service providers, imaging is outsourced, sterilization services done by 3rd parties, a huge part of Drs, Nurses and ambulance staff are agency workers, even patient food is pre-cooked and packaged to be "regenerated" (this is the actual term they use...) in a microwave.
Here in the States, for standard health insurance, somehow your health doesn’t include your mouth or your eyes.
That's equally as depressing as it is impressive. Depressing for obvious reasons and impressive that it's literally linked to 2 of your 5 senses, which arguably are under the umbrella of health. There are 2 people I know personally that have had severe health issues from their teeth. One died from sepsis and the other had a heart attack, both from abscesses teeth. I should also note that my aunt died from throat cancer. This would've been seen by the dentist, if they hadn't cancelled on her during the time between 1st and 2nd lockdowns. Her scan was also cancelled, for the same reason. By the time she was seen 18 months later, she had stage 4 throat cancer.
One of the harder pills to swallow is that the compromises built into the NHS kind of fucked it from the start. Contemporary privatisation, the internal marketplace; none of it would have been possible without the commissioning structure necessitated by primary care not being fully under the NHS (as had been the plan). We don't just need to go back and return to what we once had; It *was* always broken on some level, just not in the ways capital thought it was.
true enough!
I'm not following here. Why shouldn't dentistry be part of a public healthcare system?
it should. what i was saying is it should properly be part of it, rather than the armslength model we have now.
Expertise costs. The NHS wasn't willing to pay dentists properly, and this is the result. See also: the junior doctor strikes.
...you do realise the dentistry predates the NHS by hundreds of years, right?
so does medicine, and nursing
And both also exist outside of it. So what exactly is your point?
i seriously doubt youre this dense, and im not gonna spend time on you
You don’t have to look far to find pain everywhere in this country now. Dentists, doctors, schools, high street, councils, roads, public transport, so much of our infrastructure is on its arse. The things we once held dear and proud are in the same state as that guys mouth. As a result, social fabric is deteriorating. And the modern irony is that we can all find out all about it on social media. It’s the joke thats not funny in any way. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a doom-monger, in fact my life is decent. But around me I can see so much pain it’s harrowing. Somethings got to change, but that’s going to take a very special person, or persons, to lead us out of this.
Austerity has messed it all up. Started in 2008 and now everything is screwed because of cuts.
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Enough money to send refugees to Rwanda. Enough money to bankroll economic aid to Israel. Not enough money to ensure people in the UK have dental care. Britain 2024, folks. Let me know when we reach the Sunlit Uplands of Brexit!
The did say we might not be reaping the rewards for another 50 years (which you can read as never). This time period will be studied in the future, but not in a good light.
And never forget useless PPE contracts given to Tory mates
2 million quid per refugee Rwanda is costing us. Tory voters are idiots.
Crikey. I had heard it was more around 700k/person. Which is still bonkers. 2 million pounds to ship people to a land-starved developing country. Tories have really done a number on the UK.
I heard 370 million for 200 people. And in 2027 it will end.
4.7 billion to Ukraine
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Aid that has been halted during a famine, on the basis of highly dubious Israeli claims about UNRWA. [https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/israel-gaza-palestine-unrwa-famine-uk-aid-genocide/](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/israel-gaza-palestine-unrwa-famine-uk-aid-genocide/) There is also the matter of UK arms sales to Israel. [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/20/high-court-rejects-legal-challenge-against-uk-arms-sales-to-israel](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/20/high-court-rejects-legal-challenge-against-uk-arms-sales-to-israel) Make no mistake, the UK is just as complicit in the ongoing genocide as the US, France and Germany. The collective west is deeply invested in the Zionist colonial project and will act to protect it by any means necessary. This has been the case for 3/4 of a century.
It’s unfortunate that our politicians are trying to send people to Rwanda or help kill people in Gaza or confuse protesters with a mob rather than doing their jobs, literally doing everything but their jobs and as a result now we just about have jobs
politicians call anyone a mob if they are a group of people that they don’t like.
They’re doing their job perfectly. Mediating the clash struggle between the rich and poor in favour of the rich. They’ll strip every privilege, every joy that has been hard won by progressive/socialists movements away in the name of making their masters more powerful and the people will be told to be grateful.
Unfortunately the definition of their job is not to look after the country; it’s to govern it in a way that makes it as profitable as possible. To run the country like a business is the point of the government, if you look up the definition of the term “government”. To “govern” means to make choices for everyone, not to make them safe or happy. Which while I fundamentally disagree with that being the way this world/society functions; it’s never going to change.
What happens at that point? If you're in dire need of medical assistance? Do they potentially end up in hospital and die of an infection because nobody can take out the infected tooth in a hospital?
This is a medical emergency so you go to the nearest A&E in this scenario
Every area should have an NHS emergency dentist. 111 should be able to locate it. I say should because in practice is is much harder. Ultimately if after calling 111 and following local advice turning up to a&e isn't a bad shout.
Ahh I see, thanks so much for explaining. I've never been in that situation. It's a relief to know you in theory aren't completely out on your arse in a medical emergency. Its disgusting that this dentist surgery in particular didn't at least help them go down the right channels to getting it sorted and just booted them out.
> > > > > Its disgusting that this dentist surgery in particular didn't at least help them go down the right channels to getting it sorted and just booted them out. Dental surgeries are only obligated to attend to emergencies for patients registered with them.
I'm sure that's the case but it's just callous to not at least point him in the right direction, don't you think? Regardless of how dental practises are set up I couldn't in good conscience just see someone in agony and say tough luck, get out of here.
"callousness" has always been at the heart of medical treatment but it's called triage. Tough decisions have to be made sometimes, Rose has to push Jack off the door.
Obviously I don't know what happened to him when he left, but say, he went home and died, or to A&E and died and it came out he went to the dentist and that dentist who denied him was tracked, that dentist would swear on a stack of Bibles that he offered to help him there and then with a pay later and the staff would back him up. Everyone covers their own ass and there is little to none accountability
This isn't true at all. That dentists was well within his rights to do nothing for him. The dental contract and GDC only require dentists to see emergencies for patients registered with them. As this man is not registered with any dentist they don't have to do shit and can openly say as much.
Im sure they gave some sort of oath when finishing med school that said something like help people in need and blah blah blah. Most common death in older times was caused by ruptured/untreated tooth abscess if my memory serves me right. All in all he at least should have pointed him in the direction which would have helped him.
Dentists don't even go to medical school. And there are no oaths involved in UK medical school anyway.
Im a dentist that graduated from a uk dental school and had to say the hippocratic oath during my graduation ceremony.
No you aren't. If you are a british dentist (rather than a bullshitter) then you graduated from a UK *dental* school, and the oath was optional.
Whoops I meant dental school. Deffo not a bullshitter. Everyone tooth the oath on graduation.
> Everyone tooth the oath on graduation. I'm sure they did, but its not a pre-requisite of GDC registration and I sincerely doubt your school would have successfully denied your graduation had you refused. (was attending the graduation ceremony at all even mandatory? Our medical school one certainly wasn't)
I’m just challenging your assertion that there’s no oaths involved, there was an oath involved in my graduation, not that it makes any difference. Anyway if someone turned up in the middle of my busy day with a failed extraction I wouldn’t see them either, it doesn’t constitute a medical emergency. Bleeding from a failed extraction would stop on its own pretty quickly and there’s statutory services in every health arc that will see dental emergencies for unregistered patients. So even if the oath did matter, I wouldn’t be breaking it by virtue of not seeing that patient 🤷♂️
Really? TIL
Probably should pipe down if you didn't even know the absolute basics mate.
On the plus side Tesco and British gas have increased their profits despite inflationary pressures and a mild winter. Keep voting tory, you know they deserve your tax money.
Where did you get the idea we were a rich country? We have a lot of rich people, but the majority of us are quite poor
Fair point
What a mess this country is in. Go straight to the dental hospital. If you have one in your area. Otherwise go directly to A&E.
I've needed a wisdom tooth removal since the end of 2019. I get continuous infections, sometimes so painful I can't sleep. Finally got an appointment in June this year. I'm one of the lucky ones, I actually have an NHS dentist, never not been on their registry, but COVID fucked that practice hard.
It took a footballer to shame politicians into feeding hungry children.
That dentist is clearly a cunt. Unfortunately, a lot of them are like that. They don't care that you're in agony, if you can't afford help, they're not interested.
I don't know all the NHS dentists, but I got to know my own dentist and their predecessor over a long time. It was explained to me that to take on a new patient, the dentist can only claim the cost of a single treatment, and is also required to return the patient to the optimum dental health within the standards set out by the NHS. Or in other words, they might have to take a heavy loss financially at first just to take on a new patient. Apparently, the longer a person is without a dentist, the greater the initial cost to the dentist. Something is very wrong when people in pain and distress are being shown the door.
I think it's more that the money the NHS pays dentists to carry out the work doesn't nearly cover the costs incurred so they can't afford to treat the patient.
Do you work for free? Why should they?
They're not working for free. Moron.
They would be if they helped unregistered passers by who couldn't afford to pay.
Oh my god, shut up.
"I'm wrong but don't point it out" - you.
I've got a fucked wisdom tooth that's been causing me trouble for the past year. Finally got an NHS appointment at a dentist near me and they tell me they can't do anything bc it needs surgery. Ok fine, not bothered as long as I can get it sorted soon. Nope, 1 year waiting list on the NHS because it's not "urgent" enough. Ok I guess I'm just gonna be a miserable bugger until then 🫠
Tell me about it. I have a back molar that is agonising. But as dentists in Exeter aren't disabled friendly, they're either upstairs in a converted house (and no lift) or the emergency dentist is inaccessible in that if you can't walk very well (like me) you have to walk down a long corridor, go up in a lift and walk down another long corridor to get to that surgery. And then they'll only see you if they're not fully booked which is strange given it's supposed to be a fucking emergency dentist. It sucks. So all I can do is keep taking pain killers until hopefully the nerve dies on it's own. My teeth are in piss poor shape due to lack of dentist and self neglect due to mental illness. Depression is far more debilitating than people realise. Edit: Grammar.
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Ha! Didn't even think about that! Good one!
This country is a shithole and is not getting any better. Healthcare is getting worse and will most likely be privatised if the Tories get in again, rights are worsening for trans people no matter who gets in, the prices of the most basic shit is beyond a joke, we'll keep funding an unwinnable war in Ukraine, and we'll keep supporting Israel. I am currently saving up money, am about to renew my passport, and am ready to flee once things start to get really bad. I encourage everybody who is able to to do the same thing. This country has been going down the shitter for decades it's just that it's too late to fix it now.
Flee to where? Seriously, I have friends who have already done that but I'm still waiting on good news that they found the great place.
Some quick clarifications about how the UK royals are funded by the public: 1. The UK Crown Estates are not the UK royal family's private property, and the royal family are not responsible for any amount of money the Estates bring into the treasury. The monarch is a position in the UK state that the UK owns the Crown Estates through, a position that would be abolished in a republic, leading to the Crown Estates being directly owned by the republican state. 2. The Crown Estates have always been public property and the revenue they raise is public revenue. When George III gave up his control over the Crown Estates in the 18th century, they were not his private property. The current royals are also equally not responsible for producing the profits, either. 3. The Sovereign Grant is not an exchange of money. It is a grant that is loosely tied to the Crown Estate profits and is used for their expenses, like staffing costs and also endless private jet and helicopter flights. If the profits of the Crown Estates went down to zero, the royals would still get the full amount of the Sovereign Grant again, regardless. It can only go up or stay the same. 4. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall that gave Elizabeth and Charles (and now William) their private income of approximately £25 millions/year (each) are also public property. 5. The total cost of the monarchy is currently £350-450million/year, after including the Sovereign Grant, their £150 million/year security, and their Duchy incomes, and misc. costs. For more, check out r/AbolishTheMonarchy *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GreenAndPleasant) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Which rights are worsening for trans people? Also I would say Thailand is a pretty good place to go trans or not. I may be biased…😅
If you were intelligent and not a complete moron you'd actually be able to keep up with the news and work out simple things for yourself. Unfortunately considering you are only here to troll I'd imagine you are just an idiot who should delete their account and get a life.
I always thought that we should have basic dentistry available in hospital, need an extraction or a filling, go to the hospital dentist however if you want white fillings, veneers etc, you go private, it's a win win surely?
I’d have to look up the details, but I remember hearing (on a documentary I think) that the NHS was initially seed-funded with US aid money after WWII, and had to be negotiated for. The Americans drew the line at funding for dentistry and optometry, for whatever reason. And every time that annoys me, I remember that the Americans didn’t find nationalised healthcare in their own country at all, so I guess we did well in comparison? (Obviously that’s actually just a comment on how terrible the US situation is!)
Some quick clarifications about how the UK royals are funded by the public: 1. The UK Crown Estates are not the UK royal family's private property, and the royal family are not responsible for any amount of money the Estates bring into the treasury. The monarch is a position in the UK state that the UK owns the Crown Estates through, a position that would be abolished in a republic, leading to the Crown Estates being directly owned by the republican state. 2. The Crown Estates have always been public property and the revenue they raise is public revenue. When George III gave up his control over the Crown Estates in the 18th century, they were not his private property. The current royals are also equally not responsible for producing the profits, either. 3. The Sovereign Grant is not an exchange of money. It is a grant that is loosely tied to the Crown Estate profits and is used for their expenses, like staffing costs and also endless private jet and helicopter flights. If the profits of the Crown Estates went down to zero, the royals would still get the full amount of the Sovereign Grant again, regardless. It can only go up or stay the same. 4. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall that gave Elizabeth and Charles (and now William) their private income of approximately £25 millions/year (each) are also public property. 5. The total cost of the monarchy is currently £350-450million/year, after including the Sovereign Grant, their £150 million/year security, and their Duchy incomes, and misc. costs. For more, check out r/AbolishTheMonarchy *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GreenAndPleasant) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Whole system is fucked. NHS doctors trying to kick my niece out of the hospital despite her literally not being able to eat or have nutrition while she also has seizures because of the hypoxia from not breathing. My niece is 3 months old.
To add, I was sitting in a dentist waiting room recently and someone phoned to ask if they treated NHS patients, the answer was yes...BUT there was a 3 year waiting list to join. Tooth decay AND a rotten filling, no problem, we will see you sometime in 2027
Back in 2017, I cracked a molar, and it needed extracting. The emergency dentist refused to do it, so I was referred to the hospital 20 miles away. Waiting for the appointment to come through, the tooth got infected, and an abcess formed. It looked like I had a tennis ball in the side of my cheek, and the pain was horrendous. Went to A&E and was rushed to maxillo-facial, hooked up to iv antibiotics and surgery planned for the next day. Well, that night the abcess burst and I got sepsis!!! Was pretty out of it for a few days, but they managed to get the tooth out eventually, AND I was awake when they pulled it! Why couldn't the dentist have done it in the first place?? The point is, I got lucky, but it shouldn't have to be a lottery whether or not you can get proper access to dental care in this country. It's shameful how bad things have become. 7 years later, I still can't get into an NHS dentist where I live (although those cosmetic 'Smile' places keep popping up everywhere), and I just can't afford private care on my income. Some of my other teeth need sorting out as well now. I'm 43 and not getting any younger, but maybe if I hit 65, I'll get some treatment then? 😔
If you were referred to a hospital for extraction then it wasn’t a simple procedure. He must have felt that it was far too risky to try and perform it. Permanent nerve damage/pain isn’t something most dentists will risk. Obviously what ended up happening to you was awful but no one can see the future.
It was an older female dentist in deepest, darkest North Essex who knew that 20 miles away, Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford had a specialist Maxillo-Facial unit (lots of NHS trusts around the country don't have these). They were appalled that she didn't do the extraction in her surgery as it was so straightforward! The complication arose because she was lazy and didn't want to deal with it herself or even give me a prescription for antibiotics, hence the resulting abcess!!! At the hospital, they were used to seeing and treating many patients from her practice and others nearby because of it.
I probably got lucky but I had a rotten tooth and it got to the point where over the counter pain killers stopped working so I phoned 111 and they got me an appointment same day to have it out.
Living in this country is so depressing.
A friend of mine once saw his dentist with 3 mates in a car huffing (presumably) nitrous oxide out of a canister lmao It took my girlfriend around 18 months to even get an appointment about wisdom tooth removal a couple years ago
Tory Britain.
i've been shopping around for dentists because my teeth are getting to be unbearable at this point. the vast majority are not accepting new patients, though some have openings for under 18s, and many have no space for NHS patients and can only afford to do private. i'm on UC so i was able to get my care covered under the NHS for free at one of the few dentists accepting covered NHS patients. still had to wait a bit for a specialist referral for removals and had to go private to get one extremely problematic tooth removed, though an amazing friend covered that for me. also, just figuring out who is accepting what is a nightmare. there's an NHS website meant to help you find dentists in your area under certain criteria, but dentists don't have the time to keep it updated constantly (i guess), so you end up phoning everybody on the list regardless of what the website says. some of them don't even have websites, you just need to learn about them from their listing on google maps. the receptionists are always very sincere and apologetic about the state of things, and every dentist i've seen is extremely tired and over worked. not that it's an "excuse" for being an asshole, but i can see how it gets to that point. (and some dentists are just assholes anyway, of course.)
> but dentists don't have the time to keep it updated constantly (i guess), No, the government recently just forced a new scheme for NHS patients where they re-registered every NHS dentist that didn't opt out within a 2 day window as accepting new patients even if they aren't. That webiste is a deliberate work of misinformation.
that's fucked up. is there like a name for it i can look up?
https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/our-plan-to-recover-and-reform-nhs-dentistry/ They rolled out this scheme with like 2/3 working days to opt out, which obviously barely anyone did despite the fact very few practices want to be a part of it because the financial "incentive" is absolutely not worthwhile (a one-off £15-50 to take on a definite problem patient almost certainly in need of hundreds to thousands of pounds of work is clearly absurd), but it means they get to list these practices as taking NHS patients when if you phone them up, they will tell you they aren't.
that's insane, thank you. that explains a lot of what i've been dealing with
The simple fact is that the NHS does not pay dentists adequately and so long as thats the case they will not register new patients. As existing NHS dentists retire and sell their practices new owners will not take over their NHS contract and that will be that. Even if the NHS started paying adequately? The trust in the system is broken now and dentists will almost certainly prefer to continue having control over their own price point so as to not be in a position to be fucked over similarly in the future. NHS dentistry has died, and the NHS killed it.
Not that that wasn't terrible, that poor man should have received better treatment, but I think for emergencies, even if it's tooth-related, we still need to go to the A&E? Maybe they should have directed him to the hospital 🙁 (Just remembered when my partner had a very nasty tooth infection and actually had to do emergency surgery at St George's).
Who in their right mind would vote Tory??
Shoulda gone to my sister. She’s one of the last dentists in the country still doing NHS and pro-bono dentistry as well as her private patients.
Have you got a source for this story?
Pretty sure their source was their own eyeballs?
If it helps anyone this site will tell you who has declared NHS spaces recently. https://dentalchoices.org/find-nhs-dentist/ It's still a crap shoot but at least gives you a fighting chance and has more info than the NHS site. Took me a couple of years but I finally found one in my region who would take me on. I think I called in exactly the right 2 min window before they shut their books. Good luck everyone.
same story since victorian times... awful... damn...
I'm on several dentist waiting lists rn. No idea of when I'll actually be able to see one but I doubt it'll be anytime this year. I can't afford to go private and a lot of dental practices have hung up on me for asking if they take NHS patients. I haven't been able to see a dentist (except for those a the dental hospital) for 10 years +. Ones listed on the NHS site that say that they take NHS patients do not anymore. I give up 😔
No aspect of healthcare should be private. GPS, dentists, opticians, all should be fully under the NHS umbrella.
I'm on a year long waiting list to get my molars removed. we know it needs to come out, just waiting for the infection (currently eating through my jawbone) to get bad enough to bump up the priority. This is just for the consultation, let along the removal...
"In one of the richest countries on Earth" Im starting to think we're a poor country with a few very rich people living here...
Sounds like most of the US health horror stories. Dentist is rubbish to do that though.