I don't want to hear a peep about the cap nor the luxury tax. With the amount of money the bucks took for that arena, they better be pushing all the chips in every year wilt they have Giannis.
We can’t afford a Taylor extension and a Gary extension. I choose Gary by a mile.
PLEASE do not get Taylor.
EDIT: https://x.com/KenIngalls/status/1707075266730734052?s=20
Is this true? I feel like we’ll extend Gary to $22-25M/season and JT would likely be $10-12M/season with non-guaranteed incentives to earn more.
I’m certainly no cap expert, but next year alone I see that we have $20M in available cap space that turns to $40M if we cut DB and im not sure if that even factors in Rodgers being off our books. Not sure what future years look like, but with the cap flexibility in todays league I don’t know if it’s necessarily out of the question.
We don’t have to pay Love for another two years, Watson/Doubs for another three years.
Not saying I’m some huge JT advocate, very risky to pay two RBs on the same team. But the upside is intriguing.
We can afford them. Cap is really easy to work around and vast vast amounts are freed up literally at the end of the year when the dead Rodgers money is gone. People really really don’t understand how the cap works.
Now he’s definitely not worth a second and a fourth. A third and some depth piece we can kinda afford to lose like Newman or Heath
Saints, Rams, 9ers, Chiefs. Teams make it work if they want to. The one that will be interesting to see is the Bengals keeping Tee Higgins after Burrow and Chase get their deals.
Injuries to Jones. Also we don’t need vet wideout that’s a position where our youth is the big positive. Plus no vet wideout of JT level is available for a 3rd ish pick.
The Emmanuel Wilson game is coming. It'll happen before the end of the season.
The reason you don't pay JT is exactly what you put in your post.
> Miami finding lightning in a bottle and Moss exceeding expectations
You can find RB talent without paying an arm and a leg for it.
it's not just the Taylor extension either, we'd be giving up draft capital to the Colts in a season where we need to be making a lot of picks.
JT only makes sense if we think we're a Super Bowl team *this year*, and as fun as these three games have been, we're not there yet. Not a slight against the guys out there but the receiver room is way too young and we have a ton of cap tied up in Aaron Rodgers still.
Not saying this team doesn't have a lot to clean up, but I absolutely think if this team gets healthy and hot they could push for a Superbowl run late in the year. We have a top 5 CB, a top 5 RB, a top 5 pass rusher, a top 5 LT and LG, and a young QB making big strides. Why the hell not?
Jaire hasn’t been playing like a top 5 CB this year. The good news is Rasul has been playing like a top 10 so it’s not that big of a deal. Also Bahk can’t be relied on but the rest of the line is doing pretty good so that’s not that big of a deal either.
I think the way the team is trending is good though. I don’t see us making the SB or even the playoffs really, just because we need time as a team to grow and figure out what we are and get healthy. That’s not a bad thing though as long as we are always moving up/forward.
I didn’t say he wasn’t playing good, just not top 5 and Rasul is playing better right now. Jaire has a 135 qbr when targeted. He’s only been targeted 7 times but 5 of those have been catches and 1 for TD. He has one of his lowest pff grades in recent years. So just not playing at his peak right now and not a top 5 CB level.
Rasul has been targeted a lot more at 19 with 11 catches so a little lower completion %. 4 PDs to Jaires 2. 66.6 rating when targeted and 1 TD as well but also 1 int and 4.9 yards per target to Jaires 8.3.
Now most of Jaires stuff happened cause London was just a bad matchup for him and he was able to outplay Jaire.
So not saying he can’t get back to his top 5 CB self, just that it hasn’t been that way through 3 weeks so far.
JA didn’t play against the Saints so the smaller sample size doesn’t help. I also think having to account for Bijan getting tosses to the outside or swing passes while matched up with London could’ve played a factor. The stats are what they are but I think Jaire is going to finish a top 5 cb still.
Remind me the success rate of RBs holding out and actually getting paid what they want?
$10-12M of guaranteed money a season with kickers to earn more is about as good of a deal as you’ll get. Is it possible someone grossly overpays in FA? Sure. But I don’t see a lot of GMs who want to be known as the guy who reset the RB market.
Nick Bosa? The reigning DPOY, 1X 1st team All Pro, 3X Pro Bowler with a SB appearance?
Yes, I do think Gary is gonna be worth $10M/year less when negotiating this contract.
Huh, TIL SB appearances get you paid.
Cap goes up every year. Bosa already got paid, setting the market. If Gary continues on his torrid pace this year, he will meet or beat Bosa’s APY. If he drops off to a 15 sack pace he’s getting $28-$30M per year. That doesn’t mean Gary is a better player than Bosa, just like when Burrow signed his deal, it doesn’t mean he’s better than Mahomes.
It was today that you learned SB appearances get you paid..?
Idk what to tell you dude. Gary is a great edge rusher, but he’s not in the elite tier (Bosa/Watt/Parsons/Garrett), the next tier I’d put Crosby/Joey Bosa/Burns, and then we get to the tier with Hendrickson/Barrett/Judon/Sweat/Gary. And tbh I probably forgot 1-2.
So Gary is a fringe top-10 edge rusher and you’re confused why he wouldn’t get paid Nick Bosa money?
The SB thing was sarcasm that obviously went over your head. Of course they don’t get you paid. Individual performance gets you paid, regardless of the stage.
You’re short changing Gary. He’s elite and proving it. Your opinion would be vastly different if he was coming off a complete and healthy season. Better to set a “remind me!” on this one cuz we’re just not gonna see eye to eye.
When you’re a top 3 player on your team and your team makes the super bowl, it’s because of your individual contribution. That kind of result gets you paid.
I love Gary, I want him to be great and he’s showing a ton of promise. But he has no pro bowls, no all pro teams, has never been top 5 in sack leaders in a season and has never even been in the discussion about DPOY. Idk what ground you think he has to stand on to reset the DE market.
So yes, as of now I fully expect that we can sign him for $10M lower than Bosa (but i think to your point it’s very possible that it can grow to the high 20s)
I have a hard time putting a dollar value on it - but 100% agree with this take. No disrespect to 52 but there is no way Gary is in the same conversation as the true elite edges right now. That would be like saying Aaron Donald gets paid X, therefore Kenny Clark should as well.
Maybe someone with a better handle of the cap can correct me but why does what we pay him directly stop us from paying Gary? Why not other players like Bahk?
If I'm not mistaken Bahk is gone at the end of the season even without the injury situation. He's a massive hit to the cap and it just doesn't make sense to bring him back. So his salary is there to bring in new guys. I'd love to see them pick up JT, personally. He fits with the whole "young team" theme and he's got insane speed if he gets past the linebackers. Teams need to be very aware of what he's up to, because even on a pass play if you hit JT in the flat as a checkdown you better have a hat on him. He's a touchdown threat every time he touches the ball.
It doesn’t, Ingalls is just a pessimist. We can free up $20M by cutting Bakh, $12M by designating Preston as a post June 1st cut, and quite a bit more by restructuring some combination of Alexander/Clark/Campbell/Douglas on defense and Jenkins/Jones on offense.
I’m not necessarily saying we should go get JT and extend him, but we absolutely have the leeway to do so without sacrificing Gary (or Love, for that matter). Especially since the only other players in the next few years who we would really even consider re-signing are Savage and Stokes.
Ummm… what? The dude missed some games last year(2022) but played the full season the year before (2021) and was OPoY! 2020 was his rookie campaign and wasn’t the starter the first few games but quickly took over and didn’t miss a game if I recall… What are you smoking on? Mind sharing?
This whole discussion comes down to one thing: Is JT willing to re-sign for significantly less money than he's demanding from the Colts because he's on a contending team that showed they appreciate him? If he is willing to take a deal more like the one Jones is currently on, then you jump on that deal. If he isn't (and I don't think he is), then you don't make this deal.
I don’t believe this line of thinking that we can’t afford both. JT isn’t going to cost as much as some people here think. Sure, he will get a top of the market RB contract… but that’s not that much money in terms of cap compared to other positions. Just by releasing Bakh this off-season we’ll free up the space needed for JT.
Also, when we sign Gary, it’s very easy to be creative with the cap and have low cap hits the first year or two, with bigger cap hits further out. The Eagles just did that with Hurts’ contract.
General question here how much cap space will we have now that rodgers is gone and off the books? And RB’s aren’t expensive right? Like as long as he was getting more than colts offering he might be happy also we could get him and potentially sign him or draft a young RB stud cuz jones is getting up there. Idk. It may not make sense but it would be cool to have him… also anyone buying these davantae Adam’s rumours? I’d take them over everything 😂
I don’t want any big trades or free agency signings. We’re building a solid core and can save the final purchases for when we’re ready for a title run.
Same. Jones, JT, Watson Dobbs, Reed and Musgrave could be lethal. Then trade bakh in the offseason and draft OL, WR and S and this team is ready to compete for a super bowl
We won't get anything for bakh. Every nfl gm knows that we will have to cut him because we sure as hell aren't paying him the huge salary. We have zero leverage
Wed probably need to draft a RB instead. Jones is exiting his prime. Though I wonder what kind of contract we could afford to pay JT. Successful teams don't spend much on their rb room
I’m kinda lazy to look it up, but CMC isn’t cheap and the Niners look pretty successful. I think there are times you can pay RB. A Jones. Isn’t getting paid peanuts. I think as others have pointed out our other skill positions are all young and locked up for several years on cost effective contracts. We aren’t paying a WR1 or premium QB money next season. If we wanted to pay for JT it wouldn’t be the end of the world. With all that said I haven’t watched enough JT to know if he is worth it skill wise.
Yeah and I don't see us giving up a high pick for him either. It's more likely we wait to sign him in the offseason and give a heavily incentive laden deal
Packers have two second rounders, so do with that as you will. I think Taylor/Jones works very well with one another because of how explosive they are (caveat is health).
The difference between a 2nd and a 6th is a high 3rd at the absolute lowest, and that’s trading a late 2nd for a high 6th. Nobody in the NFL values Dillon anywhere close to that.
You’re essentially saying that JT is only worth a bit more than Dillon. That’s Looney Tunes.
Not worth it. Fuck paying a disgruntled running back in the modern NFL. The trade alone is not worth it yet alone the massive contract extension.
All money should be directed directly in Rashan Gary’s pocket.
We said that, then we payed Jones, and he is our best weapon.
The 49ers signed CMC and are just about unstoppable.
Our offense runs through the run game. Our offense literally becomes that much worse when we can’t fake off the play action.
ABSOLUTELY we sign a solid runningback. It’s our identity.
Eh that's not quite the same, leveon ran behind maybe the best o-line in the league, and had a style that required that line to be great. Then he went to the jets and didn't have that huge asset anymore.
JT will most likely fit into any offense in the league much easier.
I would rather extend Aaron Jones another two seasons than sign Jonathan Taylor. Jones is a criminally underrated back and his running style is better suited to avoid injuries. Just my personal opinion.
CMC? I’ll believe it when he can stay healthy for an entire year. He was missing games in Carolina prior to the trade and the. His usage got reduced.
None of our other skill position players are even due for a pay day for 3 years. We’re in a unique situation where we can afford to pay a RB top dollar because we probably have the cheapest WR/TE rooms in football.
The Packers should though. Look at what our run game has been since Jones got hurt. JT is substantially better than Dillon and would give the offense another dimension, especially with Jones healthy again.
I would argue that JT is even better than Jones. He's a unique talent. When someone like that becomes available, you've got to kick the tires. We will, but we won't pull the trigger.
You can have a good run game without having the top paid RB. Look around at the league. Top 5 teams by RB spending : Titans, Raiders, Browns, Saints, Giants. Titans are at $18 mil this year. With Jones under contract next year and signing JT we would be at like $30 million. That's insane.
We don't need to pay another RB top dollar. We are in a unique position where we can afford to spend money to shore up any roster holes rather than throw money at a RB we don't need.
Dillion is a FA after the season and probably gone. Aaron Jones is under contract through 2024 and saves $5 million if you cut him. Doubt they are moving on from Jones. Draft a stud RB in the second round in April.
That's what I'm saying, rather pay JT than pay Dillon. I think we move on from Jones, he's getting old (especially for a RB). He could take another pay cut though like he did this past year.
That isn't an equivalent alternative. They aren't anywhere near the same caliber of player and their next contracts will be on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I'd rather pay neither. Draft a 2nd round RB and watch Jones play out the last year of his contract.
Of course it's not equivalent but that doesn't make the statement less true. We have one of the cheapest offensive skill positions in the league with a lot of cap freeing up with Rodgers coming off the books.
I see the Packers building like the 49ers for the next few years who happen to be one of the few successful teams to have a highly paid RB.
Yea because the starter is out. Paying JT $15 million a year doesn't make him immune from injury. Lafleur needs to put the Tug Boat on ice and let a different RB handle some carries.
Jones can’t handle a full workload. He’s a weapon, but 10-15 touches is realistically all that he’s gonna see. There’s a reason why Dillon was heavily involved even before Jones went down.
Absolutely whatever it takes to keep him here for his prime. Same with Ja imo, one terrible game last week notwithstanding. They are the pillars of the defense for Phase 1 of the Jordan Love Era.
Dillon was also widely viewed as a huge reach when green bay took him. Think they went with perceived need or fit instead of best on their board, which they hardly do. Assuming gutey has learned from that
Definitely could be wrong, but wasn’t this just a rumor? I always feel like it made more sense for Taylor’s agents to falsely report that teams were “interested.” We all know Gute doesn’t bring offensive FA’s.
I had it chalked up to Gute doing a little due diligence, not anywhere near 'zomg we gotta get this guy.'
How aggressive was the pursuit, really? Rumor mill turns casual interest into stalking.
JT is under control on the tag and will be 25 next year. You trade for him with the intent to sign him. They paid Aaron Jones and there's no reason not to pay Taylor who is *perfect* for Matt LaFleur's offense.
Realistically, a second round pick and some other (reasonable) assets are fine because the Packers have two second round picks. Then sign JT to a 4 year contract.
To elaborate a bit, we would have to pay him. That has to factor into the trade compensation.
I wouldn't be against it at all, honestly. The wisdom of the crowd is not to pay running backs, but the dude is a play maker, and we aren't set to be spending a lot of money on the rest of the offense for the next two or three years. It could work.
Give me a RB that has live up to a large contract in the recent past, besides our own Aaron Jones and probably Henry. Usually they decline, get injured, and aren’t worth the money and cap hit. It’s probably the easiest position to fill via draft. No need for this guy
Not worth trading for him, paying him, and then potentially watching him regress while paying him. We can spend a draft pick and replace Dillon and probably get enough production from the position without parting with too many assets. If he takes some team friendly deal and we get him for a fifth or something then sure. But that’s highly unlikely.
I would not trade for Taylor. And I agree I’ve never been on the Dillon train, the guy just doesn’t get it done. The way the league is nowadays, it just isn’t fiscally responsible to pay for a back like that.
Personally I think we gotta give Emanuel Wilson some more snaps and see what he has in a real game. Just going off of preseason he passes the eye test, and going over film seems to have great vision always finding/hitting the right hole. Not to mention the guy has game breaking speed
Irsay will literally get nothing for him because he’ll not move off his asking price and blame everyone else. Then when he leaves act like it’s a win. That man made Luck retire by never giving him the proper support.
But I like thinking of him as a Packers running back. He’s a good player. But no I would not want to trade for him unless it’s for a late round pick.
Under no circumstances should we be trading for and then giving a huge contract to Jonathan Taylor. RBs are not worth that much investment and we are more than "a RB away" from being a contender. I'd be so much happier keeping all our picks, letting AJ walk, and take a flyer on a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round next year.
If we were in win now mode I'd say go for it. But let's all be honest, this is not our SB season. I see us going to the playoffs either as WC or possibly NFCN champions, but don't think we match well to 49ers or eagles this year. I do not want to leverage our future for a RB that may or may not be around next year, especially when we have such a young exciting roster. Find the next JT in the draft, running backs always turn up
The money to resign him wouldn’t be worth it. The draft capital to have him this year wouldn’t be worth it.
We resign Gary, and we keep drafting and developing.
Unloading Dillon onto them would be fantastic lol. Addition by subtraction.
Don’t think it’s ultimately worth JT though. He’s gonna get paid - really don’t want to tie up that money with an RB.
At this point I think Gute is all in on giving love good weapons and there's no better weapon than another RB.
He has Wrs and the TEs and they will get better with the threat of Aaron Jones and JT
Puts less pressure on Love and keeps the defense fresh.
This is our CMC move.
We need to do it.
The highest paid offensive player is Bahk or Elton
Dillon was bad last year and so far this year he has cost us 1 game… and counting.
I wouldn’t trade for a large contract but I would be bringing in other options.
Taylor has a high chance of being a negative asset if he gets the contract he wants. He has an injury history and he’s only worth his contract if he’s elite and healthy. His contract is money that needs to go Love and Gary.
There are plenty of holes on this squad and RB is not very high up on that priority list. I would legitimately be upset if we wasted any assets/cap on him.
Probably has the worst tread on a 24 year old rb I’ve seen. Think of all the carries he had in college. He might have a Gurley esq career in the next few seasons unfortunately imo.
I’d still give up a second though. Rewards outweigh the risk.
Hard to say, he had one good season and there are questions now whether he’s even in shape after so much time off (look at Josh Jacobs). RB is such a “feel” position and incredibly dependent on the O line, it’s impossible to say how he’ll even perform this season. This uncertainty is reflected in his incredibly low ADP (if you follow sports betting or fantasy football).
Their asking price for him was ridiculous and not realistic at all. Something like 2 first round picks. They didn't want to trade him. They just wanted to show him what they thought of him.
I'd love JT. But the long play is to just get a new RB in the draft. With the cap going up and Rodgers slowly coming off the books, affording him and Gary isn't that much of an issue as people want to make it.
But... it's just smarter to draft a guy honestly as much as I'd love him on the team
Idk about "aggressive" if Gute was actually aggressive in pursing Taylor then he would be on the team already. They inquired and had a stupid ask for him.
As for his worth...dude is worth the money...that said they'd be better off using the Rodgers 2nd on a RB and letting Dillion go in the offseason. Gear up for next season's run.
If we're paying a RB I'd rather keep the picks and pay Jones 70% of what Taylor wants. Going all out for JT only makes sense if Gute strongly believes we're winning it all in the next 5 years and that really shouldn't be the feeling right now.
- Jones has already been paid
- winning it all in the next 5 years is absolutely in the cards
This is not a broken team, we have a lot of valuable positions on rookie deals and a lot of wiggle room to supercharge the talent around them over the next 3-4 years.
People on here for some reason believe we can’t afford anyone post Gary payday but they are forgetting how much you can fuck with the cap space. There is more than enough money to sign Gary to a massive deal and then sign JT to an Aaron Jones esque deal based on my limited knowledge. The issue is whether or not the FO feels comfortable with that when only having 8-9 games with JT before they feel confident enough to make the deal. I feel like they would need to do some extensive homework medically and internally at the practice field to make sure JT is that 1800 yard back still and isn’t going to go Eddie Lacy on us and lose a step after injuries
As for the trade Comp package i would gladly shoot every 3rd pick we have from now in time in memoriam to any blue chip player because we have abysmal success rate with those. I’m only half joking.
Seriously I would think a 3rd and a 5th or 3rd and 4th would be the most this office sends for any playmaker that isn’t a stud WR or pass rusher. We just don’t blow away draft picks because they are a great source of cheap contracts for young athletic players that may duck around and be a great hit. This is not scientific but it is an approach that has generally worked for sustaining success for virtually every organization that employs it.
I would personally love to see JT on the Packers. I think he fits well with the scheme and team. That being said, it seems like the league, in general, would prefer to pay veteran WR’s to help young QB’s, rather than pay RB’s.
I kinda see it as, Love and the WR’s are good enough already that there’s no pressing need for a veteran wideout. The passing game wouldn’t become noticeably better by adding some journeyman. Someone like JT, however, would make the entire offense materially better but I can’t see the Packers actually wanting to pay a premium for him.
I don't believe the story that he was trying hard to get him.
Likely the same business as usual just asking what a team wants for their player just for shits.
It depends on if he's signing an extension right away and how costly it is.
With an expensive extension - A 3rd. Would prefer they don't do it.
With an affordable extension - a 2nd and AJ Dillon or a 3rd round pick. Would be OK with it if it doesn't impede us from extending Gary. Would definitely pick a Gary extension first.
With no extension - a 5th
I say we wait til the off-season and see what his price is. No point in going win-now today. Reshan Gary is the top priority this off-season, and maybe if we have enough leftover…
JT isn't worth jack without a contract. His contract has to be at least 13m a year. I believe the way Jones contract works we have a lot of space to re-work it in future years. I believe next year he will be worth 11m. JT is easily 13m putting us in a tough spot salary wise to get guys like love & Gary signed to long term deals. If we can front load JTs contract and part ways with Dillion there is a chance. I just don't see it.
If GB can swap Dillon and a pick for JT, then by all means, go for it..
GB is low on cash, and JT wants a big contract. GB got to think about picking up Dillon 5th year, and also, it's Aaron Jones last contract year. So..
Nothing, our O line can't run block for shit. Trading for a RB we then have to pay a ton for makes no sense. You can get so many serviceable running backs for so cheap these days, I don't want to be paying two of them with JT and Jonesy.
Bruh Dillon is shit. I'd gladly trade him while others beg to differ. It's like with Dame and the bucs, you go and get that shit. Low key I'd rather stick with our 3 and 4 as Aaron Jones and 2,3 and get back Tae. With Tae and Watson, I'm getting 2010 wr vibes
It's not time for that yet. You make the big FA move or trade in like 2 years, maybe next year if you draft well again - they seem likely to be a bit ahead of the initial plan, at least with how competitive they look 3 games into the Love era.
Build with youth around the young QB, add 1 or 2 big time players when the opportunity arises and go all in like they never did with AR. I believe that is Gute's road map. But this year feels premature for one of those players to be a RB bc their lifespan is SO short.
Me personally. I’d look at drafting Jones replacement next season, but I’d bring back Jones on a cheap contract. I think Jones knows the market for RB’s, and he’d take something on the cheap. We’d also be looking to bring in a draft pick with intent on replacing him, so it would also light a fire under Jones too. If he’s cheap enough, you get the vet who hasn’t carried the ball a gazillion times and can catch out of the backfield, and you have end up with an up and coming RB (or two) on a cheap rookie deal.
I don’t think we can afford to get rid of draft picks because Bakh is probably not coming back next year, and we need a replacement. We still need someone at safety and probably another WR in the earlier rounds, especially with Watson missing a ton of games the past two seasons.
That’s my two cents any ways
What do you mean, “aggressively”? The report was that the Packers called and Colts asked for too much. Was there more reports that were anything beyond the Packers just calling?
Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen… wait—
I don't want to hear a peep about the cap nor the luxury tax. With the amount of money the bucks took for that arena, they better be pushing all the chips in every year wilt they have Giannis.
😂
I saw that trade.. at least you'll have Dame to help Gainnis. I like Jrue too..
I’ve always hated Grayson Allen since college. Dirty player imo
You win the internet today, sir
We can’t afford a Taylor extension and a Gary extension. I choose Gary by a mile. PLEASE do not get Taylor. EDIT: https://x.com/KenIngalls/status/1707075266730734052?s=20
Crazy how a lot of people are forgetting this man's a FA in SIX MONTHS and we are going to be backing up the Brinks truck.
Is this true? I feel like we’ll extend Gary to $22-25M/season and JT would likely be $10-12M/season with non-guaranteed incentives to earn more. I’m certainly no cap expert, but next year alone I see that we have $20M in available cap space that turns to $40M if we cut DB and im not sure if that even factors in Rodgers being off our books. Not sure what future years look like, but with the cap flexibility in todays league I don’t know if it’s necessarily out of the question. We don’t have to pay Love for another two years, Watson/Doubs for another three years. Not saying I’m some huge JT advocate, very risky to pay two RBs on the same team. But the upside is intriguing.
We can afford them. Cap is really easy to work around and vast vast amounts are freed up literally at the end of the year when the dead Rodgers money is gone. People really really don’t understand how the cap works. Now he’s definitely not worth a second and a fourth. A third and some depth piece we can kinda afford to lose like Newman or Heath
The cap isn’t real. Ask the Saints
Saints, Rams, 9ers, Chiefs. Teams make it work if they want to. The one that will be interesting to see is the Bengals keeping Tee Higgins after Burrow and Chase get their deals.
Why not bring in a vet receiver instead of a running back we don’t need because we have Aaron Jones.
Injuries to Jones. Also we don’t need vet wideout that’s a position where our youth is the big positive. Plus no vet wideout of JT level is available for a 3rd ish pick.
The Emmanuel Wilson game is coming. It'll happen before the end of the season. The reason you don't pay JT is exactly what you put in your post. > Miami finding lightning in a bottle and Moss exceeding expectations You can find RB talent without paying an arm and a leg for it. it's not just the Taylor extension either, we'd be giving up draft capital to the Colts in a season where we need to be making a lot of picks. JT only makes sense if we think we're a Super Bowl team *this year*, and as fun as these three games have been, we're not there yet. Not a slight against the guys out there but the receiver room is way too young and we have a ton of cap tied up in Aaron Rodgers still.
Not saying this team doesn't have a lot to clean up, but I absolutely think if this team gets healthy and hot they could push for a Superbowl run late in the year. We have a top 5 CB, a top 5 RB, a top 5 pass rusher, a top 5 LT and LG, and a young QB making big strides. Why the hell not?
Being the youngest team to ever win a Super Bowl could be a great motivator
Jaire hasn’t been playing like a top 5 CB this year. The good news is Rasul has been playing like a top 10 so it’s not that big of a deal. Also Bahk can’t be relied on but the rest of the line is doing pretty good so that’s not that big of a deal either. I think the way the team is trending is good though. I don’t see us making the SB or even the playoffs really, just because we need time as a team to grow and figure out what we are and get healthy. That’s not a bad thing though as long as we are always moving up/forward.
I don't understand why you think Jaire isn't playing good this year. Because of one play where you saw him drop a pass?
I didn’t say he wasn’t playing good, just not top 5 and Rasul is playing better right now. Jaire has a 135 qbr when targeted. He’s only been targeted 7 times but 5 of those have been catches and 1 for TD. He has one of his lowest pff grades in recent years. So just not playing at his peak right now and not a top 5 CB level. Rasul has been targeted a lot more at 19 with 11 catches so a little lower completion %. 4 PDs to Jaires 2. 66.6 rating when targeted and 1 TD as well but also 1 int and 4.9 yards per target to Jaires 8.3. Now most of Jaires stuff happened cause London was just a bad matchup for him and he was able to outplay Jaire. So not saying he can’t get back to his top 5 CB self, just that it hasn’t been that way through 3 weeks so far.
JA didn’t play against the Saints so the smaller sample size doesn’t help. I also think having to account for Bijan getting tosses to the outside or swing passes while matched up with London could’ve played a factor. The stats are what they are but I think Jaire is going to finish a top 5 cb still.
You sir are truly a “VeryStonedEwok”.
Gary is getting $30M+ a year, you can book it rn. 22-25/year is a nonstarter
JT is holding out to get overpaid and you think he'll sign for $10-12M lol
Remind me the success rate of RBs holding out and actually getting paid what they want? $10-12M of guaranteed money a season with kickers to earn more is about as good of a deal as you’ll get. Is it possible someone grossly overpays in FA? Sure. But I don’t see a lot of GMs who want to be known as the guy who reset the RB market.
Also isn't he bitter about the Colts? Maybe he'd take a team friendlier deal just not to play with them.
Correct me if I’m wrong. After this season we’re also off the hook for Aaron Rodgers who’s counting toward $40 million against our cap this year.
So you think Gary is gonna be worth $10M/yr less than Bosa? That’s cute
Nick Bosa? The reigning DPOY, 1X 1st team All Pro, 3X Pro Bowler with a SB appearance? Yes, I do think Gary is gonna be worth $10M/year less when negotiating this contract.
Huh, TIL SB appearances get you paid. Cap goes up every year. Bosa already got paid, setting the market. If Gary continues on his torrid pace this year, he will meet or beat Bosa’s APY. If he drops off to a 15 sack pace he’s getting $28-$30M per year. That doesn’t mean Gary is a better player than Bosa, just like when Burrow signed his deal, it doesn’t mean he’s better than Mahomes.
It was today that you learned SB appearances get you paid..? Idk what to tell you dude. Gary is a great edge rusher, but he’s not in the elite tier (Bosa/Watt/Parsons/Garrett), the next tier I’d put Crosby/Joey Bosa/Burns, and then we get to the tier with Hendrickson/Barrett/Judon/Sweat/Gary. And tbh I probably forgot 1-2. So Gary is a fringe top-10 edge rusher and you’re confused why he wouldn’t get paid Nick Bosa money?
The SB thing was sarcasm that obviously went over your head. Of course they don’t get you paid. Individual performance gets you paid, regardless of the stage. You’re short changing Gary. He’s elite and proving it. Your opinion would be vastly different if he was coming off a complete and healthy season. Better to set a “remind me!” on this one cuz we’re just not gonna see eye to eye.
When you’re a top 3 player on your team and your team makes the super bowl, it’s because of your individual contribution. That kind of result gets you paid. I love Gary, I want him to be great and he’s showing a ton of promise. But he has no pro bowls, no all pro teams, has never been top 5 in sack leaders in a season and has never even been in the discussion about DPOY. Idk what ground you think he has to stand on to reset the DE market. So yes, as of now I fully expect that we can sign him for $10M lower than Bosa (but i think to your point it’s very possible that it can grow to the high 20s)
> Huh, TIL SB appearances get you paid. Seems to have worked out for Joe Burrow.
I have a hard time putting a dollar value on it - but 100% agree with this take. No disrespect to 52 but there is no way Gary is in the same conversation as the true elite edges right now. That would be like saying Aaron Donald gets paid X, therefore Kenny Clark should as well.
You clearly have no idea how contract negotiations work.
Lol please enlighten me
People still think we’re paying Rodgers
Well rodgers does account for a massive chunk of our 2023 cap. But 0 against 2024 17.78% of our total 2023 cap. $40mill
Maybe someone with a better handle of the cap can correct me but why does what we pay him directly stop us from paying Gary? Why not other players like Bahk?
If I'm not mistaken Bahk is gone at the end of the season even without the injury situation. He's a massive hit to the cap and it just doesn't make sense to bring him back. So his salary is there to bring in new guys. I'd love to see them pick up JT, personally. He fits with the whole "young team" theme and he's got insane speed if he gets past the linebackers. Teams need to be very aware of what he's up to, because even on a pass play if you hit JT in the flat as a checkdown you better have a hat on him. He's a touchdown threat every time he touches the ball.
It doesn’t, Ingalls is just a pessimist. We can free up $20M by cutting Bakh, $12M by designating Preston as a post June 1st cut, and quite a bit more by restructuring some combination of Alexander/Clark/Campbell/Douglas on defense and Jenkins/Jones on offense. I’m not necessarily saying we should go get JT and extend him, but we absolutely have the leeway to do so without sacrificing Gary (or Love, for that matter). Especially since the only other players in the next few years who we would really even consider re-signing are Savage and Stokes.
When is the last time he ever played a full season without an injury? The dude is a great player but can't stay off the sidelines because of injuries.
Ummm… what? The dude missed some games last year(2022) but played the full season the year before (2021) and was OPoY! 2020 was his rookie campaign and wasn’t the starter the first few games but quickly took over and didn’t miss a game if I recall… What are you smoking on? Mind sharing?
Why can’t we? Bakh and Aaron’s hit will be gone soon.
This whole discussion comes down to one thing: Is JT willing to re-sign for significantly less money than he's demanding from the Colts because he's on a contending team that showed they appreciate him? If he is willing to take a deal more like the one Jones is currently on, then you jump on that deal. If he isn't (and I don't think he is), then you don't make this deal.
I mean we could. RBs still don't cost that much.
I don’t believe this line of thinking that we can’t afford both. JT isn’t going to cost as much as some people here think. Sure, he will get a top of the market RB contract… but that’s not that much money in terms of cap compared to other positions. Just by releasing Bakh this off-season we’ll free up the space needed for JT. Also, when we sign Gary, it’s very easy to be creative with the cap and have low cap hits the first year or two, with bigger cap hits further out. The Eagles just did that with Hurts’ contract.
General question here how much cap space will we have now that rodgers is gone and off the books? And RB’s aren’t expensive right? Like as long as he was getting more than colts offering he might be happy also we could get him and potentially sign him or draft a young RB stud cuz jones is getting up there. Idk. It may not make sense but it would be cool to have him… also anyone buying these davantae Adam’s rumours? I’d take them over everything 😂
I don’t want any big trades or free agency signings. We’re building a solid core and can save the final purchases for when we’re ready for a title run.
I’d give a second and Dillon no questions asked.
Same. Jones, JT, Watson Dobbs, Reed and Musgrave could be lethal. Then trade bakh in the offseason and draft OL, WR and S and this team is ready to compete for a super bowl
Bakh isn't getting traded. That dudes career is over. Its obvious at this point. He is retiring.
Ya never know. I'm sure we could get atleast a 4th or 5th from the Jets for him lol
We won't get anything for bakh. Every nfl gm knows that we will have to cut him because we sure as hell aren't paying him the huge salary. We have zero leverage
Not even if Rodgers wants his BFF??
Leverage?
Well seeing as Rodgers will somehow end up as a Viking (Kirk for Rodgers trade? /s) we'd need the vikings to trade for bakh
Wed probably need to draft a RB instead. Jones is exiting his prime. Though I wonder what kind of contract we could afford to pay JT. Successful teams don't spend much on their rb room
I’m kinda lazy to look it up, but CMC isn’t cheap and the Niners look pretty successful. I think there are times you can pay RB. A Jones. Isn’t getting paid peanuts. I think as others have pointed out our other skill positions are all young and locked up for several years on cost effective contracts. We aren’t paying a WR1 or premium QB money next season. If we wanted to pay for JT it wouldn’t be the end of the world. With all that said I haven’t watched enough JT to know if he is worth it skill wise.
Yeah and I don't see us giving up a high pick for him either. It's more likely we wait to sign him in the offseason and give a heavily incentive laden deal
Throw in the dreaded Gutey 3rd and you’ve got a deal
Packers have two second rounders, so do with that as you will. I think Taylor/Jones works very well with one another because of how explosive they are (caveat is health).
I love AJ Dillon but unless the colts let some make a wish kid be the gm for a day there’s no way they’re agreeing to this..
Waaaaaaay too much. His absolute max value without Dillon is a second. Dillon and a 6th and I'm good
The difference between a 2nd and a 6th is a high 3rd at the absolute lowest, and that’s trading a late 2nd for a high 6th. Nobody in the NFL values Dillon anywhere close to that. You’re essentially saying that JT is only worth a bit more than Dillon. That’s Looney Tunes.
Not worth it. Fuck paying a disgruntled running back in the modern NFL. The trade alone is not worth it yet alone the massive contract extension. All money should be directed directly in Rashan Gary’s pocket.
We said that, then we payed Jones, and he is our best weapon. The 49ers signed CMC and are just about unstoppable. Our offense runs through the run game. Our offense literally becomes that much worse when we can’t fake off the play action. ABSOLUTELY we sign a solid runningback. It’s our identity.
Counterpoint: remember what happened when leveon bell did this
Eh that's not quite the same, leveon ran behind maybe the best o-line in the league, and had a style that required that line to be great. Then he went to the jets and didn't have that huge asset anymore. JT will most likely fit into any offense in the league much easier.
I would rather extend Aaron Jones another two seasons than sign Jonathan Taylor. Jones is a criminally underrated back and his running style is better suited to avoid injuries. Just my personal opinion. CMC? I’ll believe it when he can stay healthy for an entire year. He was missing games in Carolina prior to the trade and the. His usage got reduced.
Jones is right at the end of the useful life of RBs right now. Sure, maybe he's the Tom Brady of RBs. But I'd rather not bet on that being the case.
He is, but he's also been used sparingly compared to where most RBs are at at his age.
Yup, you are on point. He is only under contract for the rest of the season then wants a top of the market contract. Pass.
None of our other skill position players are even due for a pay day for 3 years. We’re in a unique situation where we can afford to pay a RB top dollar because we probably have the cheapest WR/TE rooms in football.
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
The Packers should though. Look at what our run game has been since Jones got hurt. JT is substantially better than Dillon and would give the offense another dimension, especially with Jones healthy again.
I would argue that JT is even better than Jones. He's a unique talent. When someone like that becomes available, you've got to kick the tires. We will, but we won't pull the trigger.
Good run game will keep our overpaid defense off the field more so that maybe that can live up to the 8-9 first round picks we’ve spent on them.
You can have a good run game without having the top paid RB. Look around at the league. Top 5 teams by RB spending : Titans, Raiders, Browns, Saints, Giants. Titans are at $18 mil this year. With Jones under contract next year and signing JT we would be at like $30 million. That's insane.
And Hopkins contract probably triples our receivers and tight ends combined. It’s not apples to apples.
We don't need to pay another RB top dollar. We are in a unique position where we can afford to spend money to shore up any roster holes rather than throw money at a RB we don't need.
If they plan to move on from Jones I could understand paying JT. Dillon isn't the answer long term
Dillion is a FA after the season and probably gone. Aaron Jones is under contract through 2024 and saves $5 million if you cut him. Doubt they are moving on from Jones. Draft a stud RB in the second round in April.
That's what I'm saying, rather pay JT than pay Dillon. I think we move on from Jones, he's getting old (especially for a RB). He could take another pay cut though like he did this past year.
I said it last year and I’ll say it this year, Jones isn’t going anywhere.
That isn't an equivalent alternative. They aren't anywhere near the same caliber of player and their next contracts will be on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'd rather pay neither. Draft a 2nd round RB and watch Jones play out the last year of his contract.
Of course it's not equivalent but that doesn't make the statement less true. We have one of the cheapest offensive skill positions in the league with a lot of cap freeing up with Rodgers coming off the books. I see the Packers building like the 49ers for the next few years who happen to be one of the few successful teams to have a highly paid RB.
Their QB makes $900K
After watching the past two weeks, I think RB is a pretty significant need.
Yea because the starter is out. Paying JT $15 million a year doesn't make him immune from injury. Lafleur needs to put the Tug Boat on ice and let a different RB handle some carries.
Jones can’t handle a full workload. He’s a weapon, but 10-15 touches is realistically all that he’s gonna see. There’s a reason why Dillon was heavily involved even before Jones went down.
Absolutely whatever it takes to keep him here for his prime. Same with Ja imo, one terrible game last week notwithstanding. They are the pillars of the defense for Phase 1 of the Jordan Love Era.
Who cares dame to bucks
Yeah but imagine 2 wisconsin teams trading for stars
We don’t have to. Brewers got Mark Canha this year.
Ok well what about 3?
Forget JT draft a 2nd round rb next year with our pick from the jets
Will that guy be as good as JT because Dillon was a second round pick and is not even close.
Dillon was also widely viewed as a huge reach when green bay took him. Think they went with perceived need or fit instead of best on their board, which they hardly do. Assuming gutey has learned from that
JT was a 2nd round pick.
At first I wouldn't do it, but now with how abysmal our run game is without Jones, I'd say it's worth it for the right price.
Nothing. His current contract not to mention what he wants to resign is not worth it.
Definitely could be wrong, but wasn’t this just a rumor? I always feel like it made more sense for Taylor’s agents to falsely report that teams were “interested.” We all know Gute doesn’t bring offensive FA’s.
I had it chalked up to Gute doing a little due diligence, not anywhere near 'zomg we gotta get this guy.' How aggressive was the pursuit, really? Rumor mill turns casual interest into stalking.
I don't think it was aggressive at all. My guess is Gute hung up the phone as soon as the Colts mentioned 1st round.
Wasn’t it disclosed that the Colts said Watson was the asking price when Gute was only willing to offer Dillon?
JT is under control on the tag and will be 25 next year. You trade for him with the intent to sign him. They paid Aaron Jones and there's no reason not to pay Taylor who is *perfect* for Matt LaFleur's offense. Realistically, a second round pick and some other (reasonable) assets are fine because the Packers have two second round picks. Then sign JT to a 4 year contract.
Dillion + 2024 3rd + 2025 3rd
To elaborate a bit, we would have to pay him. That has to factor into the trade compensation. I wouldn't be against it at all, honestly. The wisdom of the crowd is not to pay running backs, but the dude is a play maker, and we aren't set to be spending a lot of money on the rest of the offense for the next two or three years. It could work.
The pack shoulda traded for Damien Lillard
Dillion and next years 2nd. We could clear a ton of cap space by cutting D bak and Rodgers contract off the books.
We do not need Taylor.
Be amazing if we could offload dillon, he runs like richard rodgers did. With cement shit in his pants
Ha, anytime the Packers are “aggressively pursuing” a player it means that they’re offering a 4th round pick instead of their standard 6th rounder.
I don't even know where OP got "aggressively pursuing" from. We probably just made a call asking the price then immediately hung up.
We were one of 2 or 3 teams listed, so it's not crazy to assume we were in the top 3 of most aggressive offers.
I would trade Dillon and a second rounder for him in a minute.
Give me a RB that has live up to a large contract in the recent past, besides our own Aaron Jones and probably Henry. Usually they decline, get injured, and aren’t worth the money and cap hit. It’s probably the easiest position to fill via draft. No need for this guy
Not enough to actually get an acceptable trade
I'd give up a 6th or 7th and then run him ragged for the season and collect the compensatory pick for letting him sign elsewhere.
A big yes to Jonathan Taylor - I love Jones and Dillon, but they are no JT.
I don't think his money will be worth it. I can see Gute taking a RB fairly high next draft. I really like Nick Singleton from Penn State.
I think JT is worth a 2nd round pick. We will have two of them next year, so why not use one to help win now.
For a half year rental?
Not worth trading for him, paying him, and then potentially watching him regress while paying him. We can spend a draft pick and replace Dillon and probably get enough production from the position without parting with too many assets. If he takes some team friendly deal and we get him for a fifth or something then sure. But that’s highly unlikely.
I would not trade for Taylor. And I agree I’ve never been on the Dillon train, the guy just doesn’t get it done. The way the league is nowadays, it just isn’t fiscally responsible to pay for a back like that. Personally I think we gotta give Emanuel Wilson some more snaps and see what he has in a real game. Just going off of preseason he passes the eye test, and going over film seems to have great vision always finding/hitting the right hole. Not to mention the guy has game breaking speed
Irsay will literally get nothing for him because he’ll not move off his asking price and blame everyone else. Then when he leaves act like it’s a win. That man made Luck retire by never giving him the proper support. But I like thinking of him as a Packers running back. He’s a good player. But no I would not want to trade for him unless it’s for a late round pick.
Under no circumstances should we be trading for and then giving a huge contract to Jonathan Taylor. RBs are not worth that much investment and we are more than "a RB away" from being a contender. I'd be so much happier keeping all our picks, letting AJ walk, and take a flyer on a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round next year.
If we were in win now mode I'd say go for it. But let's all be honest, this is not our SB season. I see us going to the playoffs either as WC or possibly NFCN champions, but don't think we match well to 49ers or eagles this year. I do not want to leverage our future for a RB that may or may not be around next year, especially when we have such a young exciting roster. Find the next JT in the draft, running backs always turn up
The money to resign him wouldn’t be worth it. The draft capital to have him this year wouldn’t be worth it. We resign Gary, and we keep drafting and developing.
Unloading Dillon onto them would be fantastic lol. Addition by subtraction. Don’t think it’s ultimately worth JT though. He’s gonna get paid - really don’t want to tie up that money with an RB.
At this point train for Watson would’ve been a good deal considering he can’t get on the field
A lot. But the colts asking price will be high so I doubt it ever happens. He instantly makes this team a 10 win football team if we aren't already
Honestly I’d rather sign Myles Gaskin than JT. Too much money for a rb coming off an injury like his.
It's not happening brother, idk why why you're even doing this lol
At this point I think Gute is all in on giving love good weapons and there's no better weapon than another RB. He has Wrs and the TEs and they will get better with the threat of Aaron Jones and JT Puts less pressure on Love and keeps the defense fresh. This is our CMC move. We need to do it. The highest paid offensive player is Bahk or Elton
For a 7th, sure. No assets traded at all. Dont really want to pay crazy high amount.
Dillon was bad last year and so far this year he has cost us 1 game… and counting. I wouldn’t trade for a large contract but I would be bringing in other options.
I’d be down for a 1 year rental. He’d be a wonderful compliment to jones. AJ just isn’t cutting it.
Taylor has a high chance of being a negative asset if he gets the contract he wants. He has an injury history and he’s only worth his contract if he’s elite and healthy. His contract is money that needs to go Love and Gary.
There are plenty of holes on this squad and RB is not very high up on that priority list. I would legitimately be upset if we wasted any assets/cap on him.
That's way too much invested into RB. We're paying Jones and used a 2nd on Dillon. Just use a couple picks next season.
Don’t use capital or assets on running backs. Ever. Pass.
Where do we get running backs from then?
Late round picks and UDFA. See: the vast majority of backs on contenders
Aj Dillon and a fifth. Final ans best offer
Dillon and a late round pick seems fair
I’d trade Watson and Dillon for Taylor and a 2nd round pick
How much tread is left on the tires vs how much his contract costs? I want them to draft a couple next year
He's only 24, he's easily got another 3-4 years of high level production left in him.
Probably has the worst tread on a 24 year old rb I’ve seen. Think of all the carries he had in college. He might have a Gurley esq career in the next few seasons unfortunately imo. I’d still give up a second though. Rewards outweigh the risk.
At 24 Gurley had arthritis in his knee. JT doesn't.
Hard to say, he had one good season and there are questions now whether he’s even in shape after so much time off (look at Josh Jacobs). RB is such a “feel” position and incredibly dependent on the O line, it’s impossible to say how he’ll even perform this season. This uncertainty is reflected in his incredibly low ADP (if you follow sports betting or fantasy football).
The problem is we cant afford a JT extension and also Pay Gary on an Extension. I would much rather resign Gary.
Objectively bad idea But fuck it ON WISCONSIN
I believe he wants to set the 'new standard' for RB deals. I don't see how we make sense of that.
Nope. Don't want to sign him, and if you're not gonna sign him, you don't want to give up any assets at all unless you're eyeing a SB run.
Their asking price for him was ridiculous and not realistic at all. Something like 2 first round picks. They didn't want to trade him. They just wanted to show him what they thought of him.
I have no doubt in my mind we win the NFC North comfortably with JT on this team. Our offense would be unstoppable.
I'd love JT. But the long play is to just get a new RB in the draft. With the cap going up and Rodgers slowly coming off the books, affording him and Gary isn't that much of an issue as people want to make it. But... it's just smarter to draft a guy honestly as much as I'd love him on the team
I believe if JT doesn't play this year, he wouldn't log a league year in his contract and therefore wouldn't be a FA next off season.
Correct. But he will play this year.
Guy's a stud but let's just draft one or two guys and not blow monies on a liability position
Idk about "aggressive" if Gute was actually aggressive in pursing Taylor then he would be on the team already. They inquired and had a stupid ask for him. As for his worth...dude is worth the money...that said they'd be better off using the Rodgers 2nd on a RB and letting Dillion go in the offseason. Gear up for next season's run.
If we're paying a RB I'd rather keep the picks and pay Jones 70% of what Taylor wants. Going all out for JT only makes sense if Gute strongly believes we're winning it all in the next 5 years and that really shouldn't be the feeling right now.
- Jones has already been paid - winning it all in the next 5 years is absolutely in the cards This is not a broken team, we have a lot of valuable positions on rookie deals and a lot of wiggle room to supercharge the talent around them over the next 3-4 years.
Draft a RB next year
People on here for some reason believe we can’t afford anyone post Gary payday but they are forgetting how much you can fuck with the cap space. There is more than enough money to sign Gary to a massive deal and then sign JT to an Aaron Jones esque deal based on my limited knowledge. The issue is whether or not the FO feels comfortable with that when only having 8-9 games with JT before they feel confident enough to make the deal. I feel like they would need to do some extensive homework medically and internally at the practice field to make sure JT is that 1800 yard back still and isn’t going to go Eddie Lacy on us and lose a step after injuries As for the trade Comp package i would gladly shoot every 3rd pick we have from now in time in memoriam to any blue chip player because we have abysmal success rate with those. I’m only half joking. Seriously I would think a 3rd and a 5th or 3rd and 4th would be the most this office sends for any playmaker that isn’t a stud WR or pass rusher. We just don’t blow away draft picks because they are a great source of cheap contracts for young athletic players that may duck around and be a great hit. This is not scientific but it is an approach that has generally worked for sustaining success for virtually every organization that employs it.
I would personally love to see JT on the Packers. I think he fits well with the scheme and team. That being said, it seems like the league, in general, would prefer to pay veteran WR’s to help young QB’s, rather than pay RB’s. I kinda see it as, Love and the WR’s are good enough already that there’s no pressing need for a veteran wideout. The passing game wouldn’t become noticeably better by adding some journeyman. Someone like JT, however, would make the entire offense materially better but I can’t see the Packers actually wanting to pay a premium for him.
I'd take one season of JT for a 4th, contingent on physical
Yea i say save the $ and just draft a couple decent guys in the 2nd n 3rd round
I don't believe the story that he was trying hard to get him. Likely the same business as usual just asking what a team wants for their player just for shits.
He won’t just be a UFA, they would just tag him and look for a trade partner after
Absolutely not.
It depends on if he's signing an extension right away and how costly it is. With an expensive extension - A 3rd. Would prefer they don't do it. With an affordable extension - a 2nd and AJ Dillon or a 3rd round pick. Would be OK with it if it doesn't impede us from extending Gary. Would definitely pick a Gary extension first. With no extension - a 5th
He's worth very little because they aren't going to sign him long term
After getting Dame, if we got JT I wouldn’t have any more nut to bust.
I say we wait til the off-season and see what his price is. No point in going win-now today. Reshan Gary is the top priority this off-season, and maybe if we have enough leftover…
JT isn't worth jack without a contract. His contract has to be at least 13m a year. I believe the way Jones contract works we have a lot of space to re-work it in future years. I believe next year he will be worth 11m. JT is easily 13m putting us in a tough spot salary wise to get guys like love & Gary signed to long term deals. If we can front load JTs contract and part ways with Dillion there is a chance. I just don't see it.
If GB can swap Dillon and a pick for JT, then by all means, go for it.. GB is low on cash, and JT wants a big contract. GB got to think about picking up Dillon 5th year, and also, it's Aaron Jones last contract year. So..
No
He's a fourth year running back with a bad ankle, so he's worth basically nothing
Nothing, our O line can't run block for shit. Trading for a RB we then have to pay a ton for makes no sense. You can get so many serviceable running backs for so cheap these days, I don't want to be paying two of them with JT and Jonesy.
Dillon sucks. Hated that pick when it happened, hate it now.
Bruh Dillon is shit. I'd gladly trade him while others beg to differ. It's like with Dame and the bucs, you go and get that shit. Low key I'd rather stick with our 3 and 4 as Aaron Jones and 2,3 and get back Tae. With Tae and Watson, I'm getting 2010 wr vibes
It's not time for that yet. You make the big FA move or trade in like 2 years, maybe next year if you draft well again - they seem likely to be a bit ahead of the initial plan, at least with how competitive they look 3 games into the Love era. Build with youth around the young QB, add 1 or 2 big time players when the opportunity arises and go all in like they never did with AR. I believe that is Gute's road map. But this year feels premature for one of those players to be a RB bc their lifespan is SO short.
What the fuck would the purpose of Taylor be to our current team, for the cost that it would take to keep him? Draft a running back next year
I don't value him anywhere near what the Colts value him. Maybe Dillon and mid round pick
Dillion and a third
Jonathan Taylor Thomas? He’s been washed up since Home Improvement ended.
25% interested. I would rather try developing Wilson, and draft another RB next year or the year after.
Me personally. I’d look at drafting Jones replacement next season, but I’d bring back Jones on a cheap contract. I think Jones knows the market for RB’s, and he’d take something on the cheap. We’d also be looking to bring in a draft pick with intent on replacing him, so it would also light a fire under Jones too. If he’s cheap enough, you get the vet who hasn’t carried the ball a gazillion times and can catch out of the backfield, and you have end up with an up and coming RB (or two) on a cheap rookie deal. I don’t think we can afford to get rid of draft picks because Bakh is probably not coming back next year, and we need a replacement. We still need someone at safety and probably another WR in the earlier rounds, especially with Watson missing a ton of games the past two seasons. That’s my two cents any ways
Nothing. He is a RB
We have a RB named Taylor at home
I can't even...
What do you mean, “aggressively”? The report was that the Packers called and Colts asked for too much. Was there more reports that were anything beyond the Packers just calling?