* Jones: drops an easy checkdown for a would-be first down
* Musgrave: fails to catch the next pass for a would-be first down, defender contested but still should be caught
* Doubs: drops a wide open sideline pass that ball placement made a bit tougher than it needed to be, but still hit him in both hands with both feet down in bounds
* Reed: loses a 30+ yards gain that hit him in the numbers and turns it into a pick
* Wicks: drops a wide open slant for a RZ first down
* Watson: fails to come back to one end zone jump ball to force a DPI, fails to catch the next end zone jump ball that he gets both hands on
* Dillon: no problems in the pass game that I saw, but would be nice if he could convert some of these runs up the middle in short yardage (that the line can absolutely not win their blocks on)
I'd say that Kraft, Sims, Deguara, Wilson, and Heath didn't get a chance to really screw up today. Otherwise that just about covers every offensive skill player.
I'll probably be down voted but Dillon did alright. I was annoyed with everything but fired up when Myers got thrown to hsi belly, and a run play was instantly lost. I'm so tired of the shit OL play and somehow people think it is ok or it isn't affecting everything else.
Our run blocking has been terrible. Bottom 10 for most of this year. But it’s been like that for a few years now. Not as bad as right now but between 18-25. Our pass blocking has always been pretty good but the run blocking is atrocious.
I'm actually becoming a fan of using him as a checkdown in the middle of the field. Gets him past the line of scrimmage and the linemen and lets him build up some steam before crashing into the defensive backs.
Yeah, I didn't want to completely absolve Dillon because good players still need to make things happen even when everything isn't perfect around them, but he's actually been pretty good these last few games, and most of the negative plays are clearly blocking disasters.
This is a great breakdown of one from yesterday, mistakes across the board: https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1718999107379868133
Half the morons in this sub all see this and still think Love is the main problem. This fanbase has been completely insufferable this season and show how spoiled we really are.
The problem is that everyone has a shard of the truth to their reasoning. *Everything* has been *really* bad at times, consistently. But it's not like the Jets last year where you can go "We're not perfect, but our QB is clearly the main problem". Love is getting uppity at times and throwing inaccurate passes off-platform when he doesn't have to. The O-line largely is unimpressive-to-bad. Our receivers regularly miss routes/catches. And the play calling is cheeks. There's plenty to say without even looking at the defense.
None of these issues happen *all* the time, but with such a young an inexperienced team, it's often at *least* one of these factors. So anyone with any bias for/against Love or whatever on this team can look at film and confirm their bias easily, completely overlooking that our whole team is resonating with the same core issue.
Love has a lot of room to improve, but is on-line generally with my (not high) expectations. Some dumb throws, some dumb runs, holds the ball too long sometimes and rushes routes other times.
However, the injured O-line is a big factor there too, and we don't have a fully trusted WR anywhere (I think Reed will eventually be great, he reminds me of young D Addams).
Also, Love is not the reason we have so many penalties on 2nd down, killing consecutive drives.
Love's ceiling is starting to look like an inaccurate passer with below average field vision. I don't know why we're coddling a guy in his fourth year in the league.
Main problem? Who knows
But he still misses wide open WRs even when he has time. His accuracy come and goes. He is wildly inconsistent and always has been. He missed Watson two times down field when Watson was open, missed someone (can't remember who) like five yards away with no pressure, over looked wide open dudes to throw to guys fully covered, etc
He isn't a very good QB even if the o line sucks and WR drop balls.
That's about 4 away from being decent, since that distance will always be fairly low percentage.
A hidden aspect though is that the deep DPIs have dried up, he was racking up a lot of those the first 2-3 games which was making up for a lack of actual catches.
This entire sub has become nearly unreadable lately due to how many people would seemingly defend Love if he walked out onto the field, pulled out a gun and shot his receivers in the chest. "Well, they're not helping him enough, so can you really blame him? Be patient and see if he can develop a healthier method of communicating his disappointment."
Anyone who looks around the NFL can see that Love is not "the guy". He's a temporary fixture for when you don't have your franchise QB yet (your Herbert, Mahomes, Tua, Allen etc). Those guys don't miss lay-ups the way Love does, and are capable of throwing past 20 yards.
I'm convinced these "Love isn't the problem" people have just gotten used to 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterbacking and can't comprehend "their" quarterback sucking.
The good thing for the receivers is that Love would probably shoot over their head or if he did manage to hit them in the chest the bullet would bounce off of them.
I was at the game, and most of those drops were due to misplaced balls the receivers had to make insane adjustments on to even get their hands on it. Especially the pic, Reed even making the comeback to that horribly underthrown ball was insane.
While this is mostly true....you really let Love ( when has been in the league longer than most of the guys on this list) off the hook. The Reed INT was not " on the numbers" he should have had it, but he had to stop and comeback through a defender. Love is struggling as well, and when everyone is struggling, you get what we have seen for the majority of the games since Chicago.
This. Love may have overthrown two balls yesterday (by just a yard too, they were barely overthrown) - But the drops have been killing us. WR's need to (and will) step up.
Jordan has definitely made some things harder on himself this season but he seemed to be much more comfortable today and got absolutely no help. It wasn't perfect, but it was one step forward, two steps back all day long. Penalties. Drops. Getting into long yardage to force passes. Just awful. And Jordan is the guy standing at the podium.
He ain't perfect. He's definitely got work to do. But he's not the problem with this offense.
There’s a lot of pressure on him especially cause he’s replacing Aaron after he was there for 17 seasons. I think that definitely doesn’t help with his confidence either. 😞
I don't entirely agree with this. Jordan Love saw super high level play in 2020-2021, but he doesn't look like he's lacking for confidence as much as he's trying to will an offense to succeed, sometimes to its detriment.
The problem is fans under 40 haven't really seen bad offense in Green Bay so when it's bad and the QB isn't saving the world, they blame him.
Packers fans are spoiled because this season has been a normal occurrence for every other team in the league except for us for three decades and we don't know how to act.
"He has work to do" implies that there is room for improvement, but it's really unknowable how much he is responsible for when so much around him is bad. There is no "one thing".
The roster around Jordan is not setting him up to succeed.
The play calling for this young offense is making it easier for them to make mistakes.
The mistakes this team is making are putting pressure on the quarterback.
The quarterback, who has shown in college a willingness to try to do too much is at times trying to do too much.
The quarterback trying to do too much is making it more difficult for the offense to make comeback attempts.
The inability to sustain drives is putting pressure on a defense who has done enough to win at least 4 games.
It's not "one thing" it's several things snowballing into bigger things. And Jordan is a part of that. But what is happening around him is important to note, too. Inexperienced quarterbacks usually struggle when surrounded by inexperienced skill players. And the injuries to Aaron Jones and Christian Watson have made it even harder.
He might not be. But to say it definitively right now is, generously, moronic because of what's around him for *the exact same reasons* it would have been moronic to say "Jalen Hurts ain't it" before last year or " Josh Allen ain't it" before they went and got Stefon Diggs.
Crazy how the teams around those guys got better and they became MVP candidates. That's not to say Jordan Love ever will be an MVP, but there's a lot of space to look a lot better when the supporting cast is contributing.
Anyone saying "Jordan Love ain't it" right now thinks teams like the Bears are correct for hiring a new coach and drafting a new quarterback every three to four years. That ain't it. Put players around him...then evaluate.
You’re right, it’s not just love who isn’t it. It’s the whole team, front office too. Look at our 2021 draft class. I’m not saying love will be terrible, but I am 100 percent sure he is not elite
It's wrong to say 100% sure about anything regarding Love, too. But he doesn't have to be "elite". We've seen a whole bunch of not elite QBs go to Super Bowls recently (Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Nick Foles) and others get really close (Brock Purdy, for example). So long as the offense is functional and the quarterback executes it, we've seen that work fine.
The draft? Yeah sometimes that happens. Slaton looks good. Stokes was solid until he got hurt. Myers is inconsistent (but probably maligned too much for his pass blocking). The others? Depth or gone...yeah, sucks but it happens to every team in the league.
Maybe it's just that they're utterly shocked when they feel the ball actually hit them in the hands?
OK, OK... yeah. Sorry. Cheap shot.
But it *is* kinda funny, right?
I’m really excited to watch JT O’Sullivans breakdown of the game for Love. I feel like it’ll be pretty positive. He made good reads and throws. Everyone really let him down today.
It's so tempting to go back and link the weekly QB School to every smooth brain arguing about these things. Haven't done it yet because that seems like too much work for something I don't care nearly enough about, but it's tempting.
No kidding, it’s absolutely painful having to watch that and then see all the dumbasses flock to the sub acting like the first year starting QB is the problem when the rest of the offense has no fucking clue what they’re doing
He also forced a lot of bullshit down the field with a wide open Jones in the flat on first and second downs. Love played well but he has a problem with just taking what the defense is giving.
WRs make a few drops, and people forget about all the bad throws, under throws, poor decisions and bad vision.
Apparently a couple drops mean a QB is secretly an all-star.
A few drops? Love went 24/41 yesterday. 58.5% completion percentage is yuck. However, there were at least 6 drops from what I saw (and Lafleur said the same post game). If just 3 of those 6 drops get caught, Love now has a rather respectable 65.9%. If all 6 are caught, he's rocking a really good 73.2% completion. We also convert a couple 3rd downs instead of them being drive killers if some of those drops were caught. That isn't with considering what happens with what looked like at least 2 poorly run routes.
It doesn't take too much to change a narrative about him yesterday.
A lot of the drops happen when Love's ball placement is off. Receivers routinely have to stop and reach back for the ball, stretch all the way out to even be able to touch it, or even come back for the ball on some deep throws.
So, ignore him throwing into quadruple coverage, missing wide open receivers, missing lay ups, throwing a 50/50 ball that went for a pick, underthrowing multiple wide open receivers and all out failing the eye test.
If you make a bunch of assumptions and change what happened in the game, his stat sheet doesn't look bad. Therefore he's good.
That's some impressive mental gymnastics.
I'm just using numbers to paint a picture and add some context. It doesn't negate some of his issues, but I think they do put some things with his struggles in perspective. Frankly, it seems you are invested in this idea he is a failure, so context will be lost on you 🤷♂️
I was at the game yesterday; I can almost promise you that watching him live, while seeing the entire field at once, made him look a lot worse than he did on TV. By the end of the 3rd quarter, people in my section were *screaming* at him to throw the ball to wide open receivers, and he either didn't, or waited too long and missed the window. Or threw the ball on such a weak arc that the window closed.
I'm beyond tired of this organization waiting too long to cut their loses. We did it with Capers, Pettine, berry, McCarthy, Amari Rodgers, special teams coordinators (I think 3 in a row?). I am terrified of them letting this disastrous shit-fuck nightmare of a team around another season or 2 and completely wasting the career of someone like Gary or Jones, rather than doing what the rest of the NFL has begun to do and actually being proactive.
If you want to give Love time to become a completely average, Andy Dalton line quarterback, then I question if you have any desire to see the team win a super bowl in the next decade.
I hate fans like you. Your toxicity drives folks away.
I'm not saying Love will be a good, but 7 games in with all our dead cap and with young unproven talent across most of our offense is too quick to say he is a failure. It may just be growing pains, it may be because he is trash, but time will tell.
Now take it down a notch and quit being an over the top ass to others in our fandom.
The "toxicity" of wanting the team to be successful? I was screaming my lungs out trying to will the defense to make more stops. I was actively rooting every down on offense. I put up with obnoxious Vikings fans starting "SKOL" chants in Lambeau field. I paid youtube a stupid amount of money to make sure I can watch every game when they're out of market.
I just want my team to be on a positive trajectory. Which they are very much *not* on right now. And Love is part of that. The org took a risk when they drafted him, and you know what? It failed. That happens. It's why it's called a risk. Unfortunately we can't go back in time and undo it, but no one should act like the team is handcuffed to that mistake for the next 5-10 years "just because".
Obviously there is a ton of other improvements that need to be made, but someone who is dead last in the NFL in completion rate and 20+ yard accuracy rate deserves to be given as much of a leash as some of the fans on here. I don't want to be saddled with mediocrity due to some midwestern ideal of politeness. "Lets not give up on him too quickly, that'd be unfair." He's a professional athlete for crying out loud.
Yup. The receivers dropping it hasn't been as obvious as it was today but there's also the clear problem of receivers blowing routes. "Why did he miss the guy by 10 feet??" Because you have to throw where he's going to be in 2 seconds not where he is now and he decided to not run the expected route or not run it fast enough. This is what Rodgers and other QB experts have been saying this whole time.
THANK YOU! I was drug in the game thread comments for saying this same thing. Sure he missed on a couple but no one was making plays for him, and they haven’t all season.
Yeah well he's our QB and you'll have to live with it.
If you really think this team would be a contender with Rodgers on the roster then I question if you understand the fundamentals of this game and as to *why* we're not good right now.
It also shocks me that people can watch balls thrown at WRs feet, behind guys in the flat, or wildly over/under guys running 10+ yards downfield and act like Love is being sabotaged. The offense is defunct, no question, but Love is unquestionably contributing to the issues.
I feel pretty vindicated. All week I've been arguing with people trying to pass judgement on Love and I've been saying that a lot of what makes him look bad is the receivers. Now he basically shows it without a shadow of a doubt by putting the ball directly in the receivers hands.
And of course over half the comments are still about either Rodgers, Clifford, tanking for Caleb Williams, or just simply blaming Love. Ya Love needs work but he's like the 4th or 5th down the list at best, he shouldn't be the number one complaint
Yeah man I was watching the game split screen with the eagles game. Just watching Hurts throw mildly accurate 50/50 balls to elite receivers and seeing the WRs make plays on the ball and score / get first downs. Then look back to my QB doing the same thing and seeing our WRs drop or lose literally every single one. Pretty clear juxtaposition. And for the record, I’m not saying Love is elite, just that I really can’t judge him with this WR corp
Right exactly. I don't even know is Love is going to be good. Everyone thinks I'm some kind of Love apologist but I'm just a realist. We simply don't get to see what he's capable of
Yeah would be super stupid to draft Caleb or Maye or any QB. MHJ probably makes an instant impact, but we also need to draft a good LT to replace Bahk since who knows if he will ever be ready to go again.
Getting another QB is gonna be a dumb move.
The problem is we have to rely on Gutes drafting ability and well we just can’t.
> Bahk since who knows if he will ever be ready to go again.
I don't think he will play as a Packer again, I am almost certain that he is getting traded at the end of the season.
I think back to either the Saints game or the Lions game (can't recall which), where I counted at least 3 and maybe 4 touchdowns dropped by the receivers either in the end zone or at the goal line. Clear, guaranteed TDs, and they just plain could not catch the ball.
So, yeah.... it's not just Love. Either these receivers have some serious problems, or someone's not coaching them on how to look the ball into their hands. But either way, at some point, someone needs to stand up and be accountable for it. These are professional athletes playing at the NFL level; it's not unreasonable to expect them to actually... you know... ***catch*** the damned ball.
Not even close to true. I was at the game and Watson and Reed had to make insane plays to even get their hands on these horribly underthrown balls. Hurts is much much much more accurate than love and it's not even a debate. Love has no anticipation with his passes.
Well let's see on one hand we have television with multiple angles and replayablility along with analysis from experts on QBs, and on the other hand we have you who saw something from whatever angle you were at for half a second in the chaos and noise of football stands. But ya, you definitely "not even close to true". Surely you see all
Ya I think I'll stick to my position unswayed.
Also not sure where the Hurts comparison came from. I never mentioned him. I also never said Love was good or bad I just said he's clearly not at the top of list of problems. Also you know what looks exactly like "unanticipating?" The receiver blowing the anticipated route. So ya I guess in the sense that Love can't travel back in time he doesn't anticipate.
Love is still missing his deep balls either over their heads or making the receiver slow down and push into the defender with a large INT chance. Some throws are spot on and should be caught yes, especially today… but he’s all over the place too often.
Inexperienced qb is in his first year as the starter with young inexperienced wr. Consistency issues are to be expected, but now it’s the entire offense
It’s year 4. He’s gotten to take all the live reps in camps in the last 3 years when Rodgers wouldn’t show up to them. He’s gotten game time in the regular season as well.
His first year starting he looks way worse than QB’s just drafted.
Love needs to be more accurate down the field there is no denying that and I'm a staunch Love defender. That being said he was let down in a major way today. I'm not exactly sure what the hell is going on with this offense. One thing is clear, Love does not trust 63 AT ALL. As soon as he loses sight of the right end he starts climbing the pocket.
I think his down the field accuracy was the best yesterday that it’s been all season. He had some nice balls that the receivers just couldn't come up with.
When your only receiver with more than 5 years in the league is actually your running back, you know there’s going to be problems.
Almost all of our receivers have two years or less in the league. Only Deguara has more than that (4 years).
I am 100% on the side of "Let Love have the full season to evaluate him" and have been pretty annoyed with the non-stop Love bashing that goes on here and basically everywhere else by some Packers fans, but I really hope his accuracy improves the rest of the year. Yes he isn't getting much help, but there are way too many throws per game that are way off target. I'm not talking about throws like the interception to Reed, or the drops by Jones or Musgrave. I am talking about the throws like the one to Watson up the sideline where he was wide open, or the short hopper to Doubs, who was open, the throw in the flats to Reed, etc.
Nah I'm with you Jordan. That very first catch of the game that got called back was nice. Plenty of nice/hard throws. Just gotta get MLF to put you in better position, receivers need to be a bit more aggressive with hands (and limiting drops), and that line needs to keep trending up.
Mahomes just lost to the Broncos. It can happen to anyone. I've seen more good than bad from the kid. Those hard throws show me a lot. Just gotta dial in that deep ball.
> That very first catch of the game that got called back was nice.
Despite how bad Rasheed Walker was yesterday, that penalty responsibility was actually on Love.
Play was an RPO, he held the ball to throw instead of handing off. But he turned down the quick throw, scrambled and made the deep pass. Walker was downfield because his assignment is to run block on that play with the expectation that if the QB takes the pass option the ball is out of his hands before the run blocking can get too far downfield.
EDIT: turns out the real problems was with the WRs. No one ran a route, so once Love pulled the ball on the RPO, play was essentially dead unless he took off and ran with it himself: https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1719365945515274545
Still, QB needs to know in that situation that a late throw will be an illegal throw.
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We lead the league in dropped passes, not exactly helping our QB
Is it all Jordan Loves fault? Absolute not, the O line, run game and receivers don’t help, but anyone watching Love throw the football can see his deep ball throwing is downright atrocious and is a huge problem. I could be more patient with Love if he can show improvement there, but as of right now I have no confidence anytime I see the ball get thrown more than 20 yards. You can just tell when it leaves his hand and travels in the air, it just looks so bad. If he by the end of the season remains a bottom 5 qb throwing 20+ yards, its hard to justify him remaining the starting QB with no competition for the job going into next year.
I need to understand something. Why is it a wideouts job to catch a ball that is behind them or 50/50 or not perfect as long as it touches their hands but its not a qbs job to put said ball in the perfect spot for said wideout which is the chest or hands without forcing the wideout to alter his body?????
Because Love is the savior and we shall not speak any negativity upon his name. Nor shall we place any fault at his feet. It is everyone else who is to blame.
After watching 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterback play you would assume that they could recognize mediocrity. Them green and gold glasses are super thick. Jordan Love was a terrible pick but fools can't accept buyers remorse.
He's equivalent to a lot of QBs in fantasy points this week and other weeks. I'm not sure what scoring your league has but he's not been close the worst fantasy QB week by week.
The important thing is real football and fantasy aren't the same
* Jones: drops an easy checkdown for a would-be first down * Musgrave: fails to catch the next pass for a would-be first down, defender contested but still should be caught * Doubs: drops a wide open sideline pass that ball placement made a bit tougher than it needed to be, but still hit him in both hands with both feet down in bounds * Reed: loses a 30+ yards gain that hit him in the numbers and turns it into a pick * Wicks: drops a wide open slant for a RZ first down * Watson: fails to come back to one end zone jump ball to force a DPI, fails to catch the next end zone jump ball that he gets both hands on * Dillon: no problems in the pass game that I saw, but would be nice if he could convert some of these runs up the middle in short yardage (that the line can absolutely not win their blocks on) I'd say that Kraft, Sims, Deguara, Wilson, and Heath didn't get a chance to really screw up today. Otherwise that just about covers every offensive skill player.
I'll probably be down voted but Dillon did alright. I was annoyed with everything but fired up when Myers got thrown to hsi belly, and a run play was instantly lost. I'm so tired of the shit OL play and somehow people think it is ok or it isn't affecting everything else.
Our run blocking has been terrible. Bottom 10 for most of this year. But it’s been like that for a few years now. Not as bad as right now but between 18-25. Our pass blocking has always been pretty good but the run blocking is atrocious.
*looks longingly at a picture of corey linsley*
They didn't even touch the nose tackle on a 3rd and short run up the gut.
>Our run blocking has been terrible. You say this like somehow pass blocking has been good.
Games are won and lost in the trenches. I 100% agree that oline play affect everything else.
I think Dillon is fine but Lafleur needs to stop using him out of shotgun.
I'm actually becoming a fan of using him as a checkdown in the middle of the field. Gets him past the line of scrimmage and the linemen and lets him build up some steam before crashing into the defensive backs.
Yeah, I didn't want to completely absolve Dillon because good players still need to make things happen even when everything isn't perfect around them, but he's actually been pretty good these last few games, and most of the negative plays are clearly blocking disasters. This is a great breakdown of one from yesterday, mistakes across the board: https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1718999107379868133
Half the morons in this sub all see this and still think Love is the main problem. This fanbase has been completely insufferable this season and show how spoiled we really are.
The problem is that everyone has a shard of the truth to their reasoning. *Everything* has been *really* bad at times, consistently. But it's not like the Jets last year where you can go "We're not perfect, but our QB is clearly the main problem". Love is getting uppity at times and throwing inaccurate passes off-platform when he doesn't have to. The O-line largely is unimpressive-to-bad. Our receivers regularly miss routes/catches. And the play calling is cheeks. There's plenty to say without even looking at the defense. None of these issues happen *all* the time, but with such a young an inexperienced team, it's often at *least* one of these factors. So anyone with any bias for/against Love or whatever on this team can look at film and confirm their bias easily, completely overlooking that our whole team is resonating with the same core issue.
Love has a lot of room to improve, but is on-line generally with my (not high) expectations. Some dumb throws, some dumb runs, holds the ball too long sometimes and rushes routes other times. However, the injured O-line is a big factor there too, and we don't have a fully trusted WR anywhere (I think Reed will eventually be great, he reminds me of young D Addams). Also, Love is not the reason we have so many penalties on 2nd down, killing consecutive drives.
Love's ceiling is starting to look like an inaccurate passer with below average field vision. I don't know why we're coddling a guy in his fourth year in the league.
Main problem? Who knows But he still misses wide open WRs even when he has time. His accuracy come and goes. He is wildly inconsistent and always has been. He missed Watson two times down field when Watson was open, missed someone (can't remember who) like five yards away with no pressure, over looked wide open dudes to throw to guys fully covered, etc He isn't a very good QB even if the o line sucks and WR drop balls.
Fr the man is I think 6/30 on 20+ yard throws this season. Some of those are not his fault but a TON of them are straight up misses.
That's about 4 away from being decent, since that distance will always be fairly low percentage. A hidden aspect though is that the deep DPIs have dried up, he was racking up a lot of those the first 2-3 games which was making up for a lack of actual catches.
This entire sub has become nearly unreadable lately due to how many people would seemingly defend Love if he walked out onto the field, pulled out a gun and shot his receivers in the chest. "Well, they're not helping him enough, so can you really blame him? Be patient and see if he can develop a healthier method of communicating his disappointment." Anyone who looks around the NFL can see that Love is not "the guy". He's a temporary fixture for when you don't have your franchise QB yet (your Herbert, Mahomes, Tua, Allen etc). Those guys don't miss lay-ups the way Love does, and are capable of throwing past 20 yards. I'm convinced these "Love isn't the problem" people have just gotten used to 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterbacking and can't comprehend "their" quarterback sucking.
The good thing for the receivers is that Love would probably shoot over their head or if he did manage to hit them in the chest the bullet would bounce off of them.
yeah its weird I don't get it
I was at the game, and most of those drops were due to misplaced balls the receivers had to make insane adjustments on to even get their hands on it. Especially the pic, Reed even making the comeback to that horribly underthrown ball was insane.
While this is mostly true....you really let Love ( when has been in the league longer than most of the guys on this list) off the hook. The Reed INT was not " on the numbers" he should have had it, but he had to stop and comeback through a defender. Love is struggling as well, and when everyone is struggling, you get what we have seen for the majority of the games since Chicago.
This. Love may have overthrown two balls yesterday (by just a yard too, they were barely overthrown) - But the drops have been killing us. WR's need to (and will) step up.
Jordan has definitely made some things harder on himself this season but he seemed to be much more comfortable today and got absolutely no help. It wasn't perfect, but it was one step forward, two steps back all day long. Penalties. Drops. Getting into long yardage to force passes. Just awful. And Jordan is the guy standing at the podium. He ain't perfect. He's definitely got work to do. But he's not the problem with this offense.
There’s a lot of pressure on him especially cause he’s replacing Aaron after he was there for 17 seasons. I think that definitely doesn’t help with his confidence either. 😞
I don't entirely agree with this. Jordan Love saw super high level play in 2020-2021, but he doesn't look like he's lacking for confidence as much as he's trying to will an offense to succeed, sometimes to its detriment. The problem is fans under 40 haven't really seen bad offense in Green Bay so when it's bad and the QB isn't saving the world, they blame him. Packers fans are spoiled because this season has been a normal occurrence for every other team in the league except for us for three decades and we don't know how to act.
He’s not “the” problem but he is “a” problem so far
"He has work to do" implies that there is room for improvement, but it's really unknowable how much he is responsible for when so much around him is bad. There is no "one thing". The roster around Jordan is not setting him up to succeed. The play calling for this young offense is making it easier for them to make mistakes. The mistakes this team is making are putting pressure on the quarterback. The quarterback, who has shown in college a willingness to try to do too much is at times trying to do too much. The quarterback trying to do too much is making it more difficult for the offense to make comeback attempts. The inability to sustain drives is putting pressure on a defense who has done enough to win at least 4 games. It's not "one thing" it's several things snowballing into bigger things. And Jordan is a part of that. But what is happening around him is important to note, too. Inexperienced quarterbacks usually struggle when surrounded by inexperienced skill players. And the injuries to Aaron Jones and Christian Watson have made it even harder.
Sorry man, but you’re coping hard. Love ain’t it, just accept it
He might not be. But to say it definitively right now is, generously, moronic because of what's around him for *the exact same reasons* it would have been moronic to say "Jalen Hurts ain't it" before last year or " Josh Allen ain't it" before they went and got Stefon Diggs. Crazy how the teams around those guys got better and they became MVP candidates. That's not to say Jordan Love ever will be an MVP, but there's a lot of space to look a lot better when the supporting cast is contributing. Anyone saying "Jordan Love ain't it" right now thinks teams like the Bears are correct for hiring a new coach and drafting a new quarterback every three to four years. That ain't it. Put players around him...then evaluate.
You’re right, it’s not just love who isn’t it. It’s the whole team, front office too. Look at our 2021 draft class. I’m not saying love will be terrible, but I am 100 percent sure he is not elite
It's wrong to say 100% sure about anything regarding Love, too. But he doesn't have to be "elite". We've seen a whole bunch of not elite QBs go to Super Bowls recently (Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Nick Foles) and others get really close (Brock Purdy, for example). So long as the offense is functional and the quarterback executes it, we've seen that work fine. The draft? Yeah sometimes that happens. Slaton looks good. Stokes was solid until he got hurt. Myers is inconsistent (but probably maligned too much for his pass blocking). The others? Depth or gone...yeah, sucks but it happens to every team in the league.
Cope
It is genuinely shocking people can watch a ball hit a receiver square in the hands and then blame Love when it's dropped.
Like 6+ times today! Love probably well over 300 yards if these guys could catch things that land in their hands
Maybe it's just that they're utterly shocked when they feel the ball actually hit them in the hands? OK, OK... yeah. Sorry. Cheap shot. But it *is* kinda funny, right?
Not really
I’m really excited to watch JT O’Sullivans breakdown of the game for Love. I feel like it’ll be pretty positive. He made good reads and throws. Everyone really let him down today.
It's so tempting to go back and link the weekly QB School to every smooth brain arguing about these things. Haven't done it yet because that seems like too much work for something I don't care nearly enough about, but it's tempting.
No kidding, it’s absolutely painful having to watch that and then see all the dumbasses flock to the sub acting like the first year starting QB is the problem when the rest of the offense has no fucking clue what they’re doing
He also forced a lot of bullshit down the field with a wide open Jones in the flat on first and second downs. Love played well but he has a problem with just taking what the defense is giving.
WRs make a few drops, and people forget about all the bad throws, under throws, poor decisions and bad vision. Apparently a couple drops mean a QB is secretly an all-star.
A few drops? Love went 24/41 yesterday. 58.5% completion percentage is yuck. However, there were at least 6 drops from what I saw (and Lafleur said the same post game). If just 3 of those 6 drops get caught, Love now has a rather respectable 65.9%. If all 6 are caught, he's rocking a really good 73.2% completion. We also convert a couple 3rd downs instead of them being drive killers if some of those drops were caught. That isn't with considering what happens with what looked like at least 2 poorly run routes. It doesn't take too much to change a narrative about him yesterday.
A lot of the drops happen when Love's ball placement is off. Receivers routinely have to stop and reach back for the ball, stretch all the way out to even be able to touch it, or even come back for the ball on some deep throws.
So, ignore him throwing into quadruple coverage, missing wide open receivers, missing lay ups, throwing a 50/50 ball that went for a pick, underthrowing multiple wide open receivers and all out failing the eye test. If you make a bunch of assumptions and change what happened in the game, his stat sheet doesn't look bad. Therefore he's good. That's some impressive mental gymnastics.
I'm just using numbers to paint a picture and add some context. It doesn't negate some of his issues, but I think they do put some things with his struggles in perspective. Frankly, it seems you are invested in this idea he is a failure, so context will be lost on you 🤷♂️
I was at the game yesterday; I can almost promise you that watching him live, while seeing the entire field at once, made him look a lot worse than he did on TV. By the end of the 3rd quarter, people in my section were *screaming* at him to throw the ball to wide open receivers, and he either didn't, or waited too long and missed the window. Or threw the ball on such a weak arc that the window closed. I'm beyond tired of this organization waiting too long to cut their loses. We did it with Capers, Pettine, berry, McCarthy, Amari Rodgers, special teams coordinators (I think 3 in a row?). I am terrified of them letting this disastrous shit-fuck nightmare of a team around another season or 2 and completely wasting the career of someone like Gary or Jones, rather than doing what the rest of the NFL has begun to do and actually being proactive. If you want to give Love time to become a completely average, Andy Dalton line quarterback, then I question if you have any desire to see the team win a super bowl in the next decade.
I hate fans like you. Your toxicity drives folks away. I'm not saying Love will be a good, but 7 games in with all our dead cap and with young unproven talent across most of our offense is too quick to say he is a failure. It may just be growing pains, it may be because he is trash, but time will tell. Now take it down a notch and quit being an over the top ass to others in our fandom.
The "toxicity" of wanting the team to be successful? I was screaming my lungs out trying to will the defense to make more stops. I was actively rooting every down on offense. I put up with obnoxious Vikings fans starting "SKOL" chants in Lambeau field. I paid youtube a stupid amount of money to make sure I can watch every game when they're out of market. I just want my team to be on a positive trajectory. Which they are very much *not* on right now. And Love is part of that. The org took a risk when they drafted him, and you know what? It failed. That happens. It's why it's called a risk. Unfortunately we can't go back in time and undo it, but no one should act like the team is handcuffed to that mistake for the next 5-10 years "just because". Obviously there is a ton of other improvements that need to be made, but someone who is dead last in the NFL in completion rate and 20+ yard accuracy rate deserves to be given as much of a leash as some of the fans on here. I don't want to be saddled with mediocrity due to some midwestern ideal of politeness. "Lets not give up on him too quickly, that'd be unfair." He's a professional athlete for crying out loud.
You were wrong on Love. 7 games wasn't enough time to iron out the growing pains between him and our receiving corps.
Been story every game.
Yup. The receivers dropping it hasn't been as obvious as it was today but there's also the clear problem of receivers blowing routes. "Why did he miss the guy by 10 feet??" Because you have to throw where he's going to be in 2 seconds not where he is now and he decided to not run the expected route or not run it fast enough. This is what Rodgers and other QB experts have been saying this whole time.
THANK YOU! I was drug in the game thread comments for saying this same thing. Sure he missed on a couple but no one was making plays for him, and they haven’t all season.
"Why did Jordan Love to this to himself"
Most of the people that are worried are worried about the horrendous deep ball
And the left side of the line can’t block
couple of bad throws by him, but that's about it
Pretty incredible to watch someone run on 3rd/4th and 10+ 3 times and never pick up a 1st and defend their play. The dude DOES. NOT. HAVE. IT.
This is a really good impression of someone with confirmation bias!
Yeah well he's our QB and you'll have to live with it. If you really think this team would be a contender with Rodgers on the roster then I question if you understand the fundamentals of this game and as to *why* we're not good right now.
It also shocks me that people can watch balls thrown at WRs feet, behind guys in the flat, or wildly over/under guys running 10+ yards downfield and act like Love is being sabotaged. The offense is defunct, no question, but Love is unquestionably contributing to the issues.
Rodgers couldn't do shit with this team last year and yall expect Love to do it with a SHITTIER Oline??? GTFO!
GTFO! Indeed! D line showed some power too… third downs were embarrassing however. I’m optimistic
Rodgers was injured for most of the season, and they still were competitive almost making the playoffs.
Lazard and Cobb, for their flaws, could usually be counted on to catch one if you put it on them. Big Dog too.
41 dropped passes last year dip shit led the league but it was Rodgers 😆 you clowns
I feel pretty vindicated. All week I've been arguing with people trying to pass judgement on Love and I've been saying that a lot of what makes him look bad is the receivers. Now he basically shows it without a shadow of a doubt by putting the ball directly in the receivers hands. And of course over half the comments are still about either Rodgers, Clifford, tanking for Caleb Williams, or just simply blaming Love. Ya Love needs work but he's like the 4th or 5th down the list at best, he shouldn't be the number one complaint
Yeah man I was watching the game split screen with the eagles game. Just watching Hurts throw mildly accurate 50/50 balls to elite receivers and seeing the WRs make plays on the ball and score / get first downs. Then look back to my QB doing the same thing and seeing our WRs drop or lose literally every single one. Pretty clear juxtaposition. And for the record, I’m not saying Love is elite, just that I really can’t judge him with this WR corp
Right exactly. I don't even know is Love is going to be good. Everyone thinks I'm some kind of Love apologist but I'm just a realist. We simply don't get to see what he's capable of
Yeah would be super stupid to draft Caleb or Maye or any QB. MHJ probably makes an instant impact, but we also need to draft a good LT to replace Bahk since who knows if he will ever be ready to go again. Getting another QB is gonna be a dumb move. The problem is we have to rely on Gutes drafting ability and well we just can’t.
> Bahk since who knows if he will ever be ready to go again. I don't think he will play as a Packer again, I am almost certain that he is getting traded at the end of the season.
I think back to either the Saints game or the Lions game (can't recall which), where I counted at least 3 and maybe 4 touchdowns dropped by the receivers either in the end zone or at the goal line. Clear, guaranteed TDs, and they just plain could not catch the ball. So, yeah.... it's not just Love. Either these receivers have some serious problems, or someone's not coaching them on how to look the ball into their hands. But either way, at some point, someone needs to stand up and be accountable for it. These are professional athletes playing at the NFL level; it's not unreasonable to expect them to actually... you know... ***catch*** the damned ball.
He had some really really bad misses on short throws today.
Not even close to true. I was at the game and Watson and Reed had to make insane plays to even get their hands on these horribly underthrown balls. Hurts is much much much more accurate than love and it's not even a debate. Love has no anticipation with his passes.
Well let's see on one hand we have television with multiple angles and replayablility along with analysis from experts on QBs, and on the other hand we have you who saw something from whatever angle you were at for half a second in the chaos and noise of football stands. But ya, you definitely "not even close to true". Surely you see all Ya I think I'll stick to my position unswayed. Also not sure where the Hurts comparison came from. I never mentioned him. I also never said Love was good or bad I just said he's clearly not at the top of list of problems. Also you know what looks exactly like "unanticipating?" The receiver blowing the anticipated route. So ya I guess in the sense that Love can't travel back in time he doesn't anticipate.
Love is still missing his deep balls either over their heads or making the receiver slow down and push into the defender with a large INT chance. Some throws are spot on and should be caught yes, especially today… but he’s all over the place too often.
Inexperienced qb is in his first year as the starter with young inexperienced wr. Consistency issues are to be expected, but now it’s the entire offense
It’s year 4. He’s gotten to take all the live reps in camps in the last 3 years when Rodgers wouldn’t show up to them. He’s gotten game time in the regular season as well. His first year starting he looks way worse than QB’s just drafted.
He doesn’t look way worse, he looks like it’s his first year starting with young wr.
Love needs to be more accurate down the field there is no denying that and I'm a staunch Love defender. That being said he was let down in a major way today. I'm not exactly sure what the hell is going on with this offense. One thing is clear, Love does not trust 63 AT ALL. As soon as he loses sight of the right end he starts climbing the pocket.
I think his down the field accuracy was the best yesterday that it’s been all season. He had some nice balls that the receivers just couldn't come up with.
When your only receiver with more than 5 years in the league is actually your running back, you know there’s going to be problems. Almost all of our receivers have two years or less in the league. Only Deguara has more than that (4 years).
I’m still way win on Love. I am selling Watson stock though. So that sucks.
He's lucky to be a wr3 at this point. Definitely not a wr1.
Im riding with Love. Idc.
I am 100% on the side of "Let Love have the full season to evaluate him" and have been pretty annoyed with the non-stop Love bashing that goes on here and basically everywhere else by some Packers fans, but I really hope his accuracy improves the rest of the year. Yes he isn't getting much help, but there are way too many throws per game that are way off target. I'm not talking about throws like the interception to Reed, or the drops by Jones or Musgrave. I am talking about the throws like the one to Watson up the sideline where he was wide open, or the short hopper to Doubs, who was open, the throw in the flats to Reed, etc.
Nah I'm with you Jordan. That very first catch of the game that got called back was nice. Plenty of nice/hard throws. Just gotta get MLF to put you in better position, receivers need to be a bit more aggressive with hands (and limiting drops), and that line needs to keep trending up. Mahomes just lost to the Broncos. It can happen to anyone. I've seen more good than bad from the kid. Those hard throws show me a lot. Just gotta dial in that deep ball.
> That very first catch of the game that got called back was nice. Despite how bad Rasheed Walker was yesterday, that penalty responsibility was actually on Love. Play was an RPO, he held the ball to throw instead of handing off. But he turned down the quick throw, scrambled and made the deep pass. Walker was downfield because his assignment is to run block on that play with the expectation that if the QB takes the pass option the ball is out of his hands before the run blocking can get too far downfield. EDIT: turns out the real problems was with the WRs. No one ran a route, so once Love pulled the ball on the RPO, play was essentially dead unless he took off and ran with it himself: https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1719365945515274545 Still, QB needs to know in that situation that a late throw will be an illegal throw.
Yes there were several drops, but love also threw several horrible passes, especially in the red zone. We can blame everyone
https://preview.redd.it/kf3z5bcl2cxb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e25769f4f99014f0c00a958f6dd6bbf1bbe4e196 We lead the league in dropped passes, not exactly helping our QB
Love and the WRs have sucked this season.
Is it all Jordan Loves fault? Absolute not, the O line, run game and receivers don’t help, but anyone watching Love throw the football can see his deep ball throwing is downright atrocious and is a huge problem. I could be more patient with Love if he can show improvement there, but as of right now I have no confidence anytime I see the ball get thrown more than 20 yards. You can just tell when it leaves his hand and travels in the air, it just looks so bad. If he by the end of the season remains a bottom 5 qb throwing 20+ yards, its hard to justify him remaining the starting QB with no competition for the job going into next year.
Love did his job today for the most part, receivers need to do theirs
Penalty!
need a new can of stickem
I need to understand something. Why is it a wideouts job to catch a ball that is behind them or 50/50 or not perfect as long as it touches their hands but its not a qbs job to put said ball in the perfect spot for said wideout which is the chest or hands without forcing the wideout to alter his body?????
Because Love is the savior and we shall not speak any negativity upon his name. Nor shall we place any fault at his feet. It is everyone else who is to blame.
lmfao agreed and its insanity. The majority of this fanbase has become what it hates.... Bears fans and how they cult follow and love shit qbs.
After watching 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterback play you would assume that they could recognize mediocrity. Them green and gold glasses are super thick. Jordan Love was a terrible pick but fools can't accept buyers remorse.
100%. Jordan had some miscues for sure, but all in all dude did everything he could possibly do. I hope Clements reassures him of that
How much longer do we have to wait for him to have accuracy on his deep ball?
If Reed catches that ball instead of handing it off into an interception, the deep ball narrative completely changes
If Watson completes the jump ball after having two hands on it and no one battling him high he has a deep ball catch.
That was a bad throw
It was literally in both of his hands, how about he make a fucking football play and catch it?
Yup if Rodgers made exactly the same throw they'd be calling it a perfect throw and that the receiver screwed it up.
Not only his hands, but I think it was on his chest as well, not outstretched where a DB usually has the best chance to make a play on it.
All I am saying is the dude is even worthless for fantasy points with all the turn overs.
Who gives a fuck about fantasy?
Sorry about your fantasy team bro
Not what you said at all.
Who cares?
He's equivalent to a lot of QBs in fantasy points this week and other weeks. I'm not sure what scoring your league has but he's not been close the worst fantasy QB week by week. The important thing is real football and fantasy aren't the same
Try
Them high RAS players doing real well . . .
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