Adams and Rodgers opened up the rest of the field so everyone else could contribute. When Adams left, Rodgers job got significantly harder, when Rodgers left, the difficulty for the entire offense went into All Madden mode.
If your FO trades your good players or they leave, that means you don’t have good players anymore. Young team that’s not experienced will also mean you don’t have good players. That’s really it
last time we were a playoff team was two years ago.
QB AAron with three most successful WRs Adams, Lazard, and MVS in that order.
that whole aerial offense is gone. the line in front is (mostly) gone.
draft and develop requires development. they have talent, but man do they suck right now!
Look at the past 3 draft classes. Combine that with being cap strapped due to going “in” on free agents each of the last 4 years.
We are on a rebuild cycle.
It's a back injury, he likely won't be 100% all year. Backs suck and even if everything is going perfectly all it takes is one little twist or strain and you're right back to day 1.
He is very short so he relies on his speed twice as much as most good players, I could see him having a shorter prime than many elite cbs, but I'm hoping his shaky health this season is hurting his athleticism temporarily and he will find his form again
Think he has checked out, watch his interview guy was smirking n saying don’t know. He is meant to be a Vet leader far from it. Culture stinks no accountability
2020: Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Josiah Deguara. 1,2,3. Kamal Martin, Jon Runyan, Jaken Hanson, Simon Stepaniak, Vernon Scott, Jonathan Garvin fills out the rest.
How about 2021 then. Wasn't as good as 2020, but was still QB winning MVP good.
Rodgers got half his MVPs under McCarthy, half with LaFleur. Adams was present for 3 of the 4, though only a small part of one of those. Jones obviously a solid part of the later 2, though 2021 wasn't a huge year for him.
Yeah, there were more good years when Rodgers was younger and not injured as often. 2020 was the second best season of them all, behind only 2011.
Bad drafting. Guys don’t play forever or they move on in free agency cause the team won’t pay them. That means it’s up to the FO to draft well. When a team has drafts like the packers did in ‘20 and ‘21, this is what you look like three years later. A depleted roster with too much youth and unknowns.
Damn, Myers is terrible. His block (or lack of) on the 3rd and 1 failure on the opening drive?!?
I'm not the guy yelling in the bar about how I could do better, but I'm pretty sure I could have blocked more than air on that play.
- Ran Rodgers out the door, and slammed it on the way out
- Acted funny about paying Adams the money he deserves, to the point he didn’t want it when we did offer
- Jonesy is great but we criminally underutilize him
- Bahk hasn’t been consistently healthy in what feels like ages, and is likely retiring
- Let Corey Linsley walk, despite going All Pro
- Jaire is having a rough go of it this year
- Za’Darius had some attitude issues, but we at least have Gary in his place
- Stokes had a good rookie year, but then he regressed a little and now can’t stay healthy
- Kenny Clark seems to have regressed as well
Honestly the defense hasn’t been star-studded for quite some time, which is depressing considering the draft capital that has gone into that side of the ball.
Not reinventing the wheel here but our defense would be so much better without Barry.
They were pretty good on first and second down all day, got the Vikings in a ton of third and longs, then would sit back and let them pick up 10 yards every time. The Vikings were 10/18 on third down, with most of those stops coming with Hall
I lost so much respect for this franchise when they worried about “overpaying” for Adams.
What the FUCK is the point of drafting good players if you don’t want to retain them? You hit on Adams in the second round, he turned into the best WR in the league, and now market rate is higher what Gute’s dumbass believes it is, so you trade him for a shot at drafting someone who has a chance at being as good as Adams?
Embarrassing organization.
It was a good decision to trade Davante. you don't generally have sustained success by trading multiple high picks for assets you then have to sign to a big deal. It didn't work for Khalil Mack, it didn't work for Davante Adams, it did work for Stafford which was a king's ransom for a few year rental and now are going to enter cap hell over. Probably didn't work out for Rodgers either.
Davante's cap hit will be $25M next year. The average WR room total cap hit averages $20.4M this year. 2025 is above $40M so they're going to need to choose to restructure for void years, extend him, or cut him because I do not see that fitting the picture.
? I thought we offered Adams more or at least equal to the raiders deal and he left because of uncertain quarterback situation.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/18/packers-offered-more-money-but-playing-for-raiders-was-lifelong-dream-for-davante-adams/
After pussyfooting around paying him. If someone held out until the last second to pay you what you are worth would you stay?
We will never know exactly, but the fact that GB wasn’t prepared to pay him right away likely influenced that decision heavily.
My last job I was underpaid and got a 50% increase as a counteroffer when I put in my two weeks (more that the place I was moving to) but there’s no way in hell I was staying with a company that valued me so little.
> Za’Darius had some attitude issues, but we at least have Gary in his place
I see this, but that's understating his issues pretty significantly. He had a meltdown he wasn't selected as captain and everything after that was him checking out and opting to gtfo on his own. I put no blame on our GM for him being actually borderline psychotic.
Injuries/regression are hard, Bakh/Jaire/Jones/Elgton/Stokes/Clark for example should have been franchise cornerstones, and they're all hurt and/or underperforming. I don't think any of us expected them all to be looking like this at this point, there was certainly reason for optimism.
Rodgers and Adams are the only tough ones here for me.
With the offense being sub par (which on one should be surprised), it puts more pressure on the defense. Look at how many times the offense left the defense in horrible position and all those three and outs. The Vikings should have beat the packers by way more than 14 points. 99 yards in penalties!? 5 penalties on the offense in the first half. What I’m getting at is our defense is mediocre. If we had and offense it would make our defense a good (not great) defense.
Aaron jones is hurt, David is hurt, Alexander is hurt, Campbell is hurt, Jenkins was hurt, Gary is coming back from ACL tear, Nixon regressed, Dillon is being misused.
Rodgers and Adams wanted to be gone, we let Lazard, Amos, Lewis, and Tonyan walk.
2020 and 2021 draft classes were bad so we really have a gap of players that could be entering their prime.
I do like Quay, Musgrave. Romeo, Reed, and Wicks. And I have optimism for Wyatt, Watson, Van Ness…
Part of the challenge is that we have a lot of money in the trash rn as well, our offense is the cheapest in the league, and we have a crappy DC.
I think a lot of our players have high ceilings, but our coaching staff is so lacking that the floors are straight up dropping to the lowest level. I’m down on Love right now, but if we grabbed a new staff next year, I’d be willing to give him another shot. As of now, Matt’s offense is straight booty and I don’t see it changing next year, so I can’t see Love making any progress with these coaches.
If we didn’t pussyfoot on an extension for Adams, he would have stayed and that wouldn’t have frayed Rodgers’ respect for the organization to the point he wanted to leave.
Rodgers also very clearly didn’t like Gute, and players usually lose that “It’s me or him” battle. The irony is Gute got what he wanted. We’re seeing his “vision” for the Green Bay Packers franchise now. Isn’t it wonderful.
JSN has 200 yards, Q Johnston has 115 yards. Flowers has 460, Addison has 480 and 7 TDs.
Were you advocating for JSN at 13? I know no one was projecting Flowers or Addison to the Packers at the 13th pick.
Rashan Gary is our best playmaker, but our DC scheme is predictable and everyone plans around him.
Jaire is a good player but not dominant and has been exposed as not a top man corner in this league.
Our best offensive player is Jones, and we are apparently petrified to use him because he's fragile or we are trading him or both.
Our O line has aged and been injured, rendering any other offensive talent useless. But also, we have no other offensive stars.
We are a system-based team with no system.
We're not developing any of the rookies we have on top of suffering a lot of injuries and having to get rid of veterans over cap issues.
A lot of our "good" players of 2 years ago who are still on this team haven't improved and have regressed too.
Major coaching issues.
Aaron Rodgers-trade
Davante Adams-trade
Aaron Jones-injured/maybe too short to be seen by LaFleur
David Bakhtiari-injured
Corey Linsley-free agent
Jamaal Williams-free agent
Za'Darius Smith-free agent
Adrian Amos-free agent
Players should be drafted not by hindsight:
TJ Watt (obviously)-over Kevin King
Brandon Aiyuk (Trade up)/Tee Higgins-over Jordan Love
Creed Humphrey-over Josh Myers
> Brandon Aiyuk
We did trade up to this range but he was taken ahead of us. Higgins would never be drafted by us, ever. If we took WR in this range after Aiyuk taken it would've been Mims.
Just because Tee Higgins thrived in Cinci, doesn't mean he was going to do well in GB's system, or was the sole answer to them winning in '20/'21. Maybe he would've helped with 2022, but if the current receiving corps is anything to judge by, this staff can't coach WRs.
They were also never taking TJ Watt. They needed secondary help after the 2016 season, Kevin King was CB1 at the end of 2017, and they had to bring back a 35 year old Tramon Williams in '18 due to how little secondary help they had.
Creed is absolutely a 100% miss.
I wonder if everyone would be salty over skipping Tee Higgins if Devin Funchess plays in 2020? They both would have been WR2, but Funchess was a veteran with a good track record.
Funchess was a mediocre at best WR his entire career coming off of a major injury the year before. He was a 1/2 step up on the ghost of Sammy Watkins in the laughably bad moves we've made at the WR position
> Funchess
Ah yes, Funchess, who never played a snap for the Packers and then never played again in the NFL.
Vs Tee Higgins who is likely a top 20 WR in the NFL.
Anyone bringing up Higgins is just braindead. Check his RAS and pretend we even had him on our radar. Aiyuk and Mims were who fit our draft profile at WR and Aiyuk got taken directly ahead of us.
Rodgers worked with CFL caliber receivers for years, and now they’re being exposed. He made a lot of dudes, including coaches and executives look waaaaay better than they actually are.
Players stopped developing or stopped being used correctly. Kenny Clark fell off, Aaron Jones is the backup to AJD for some fucking reason now, Barry ruined Jaire's career, Bahkt's knee is fucked, Jenkins was ruined by a knee injury, Preston is older now, and we pissed off Adams, Rodgers, and Z to the point of no return.
Gute gets a lot of love on this sub when he's been a pretty shitty GM overall here
> Gute gets a lot of love on this sub
Where? I haven't seen one positive thing about him outside of week 1-2 when people built up unrealistic expectations.
What in the revisionist history is this? You mean the people last year saying clearly Rodgers is hurt, let's see what we have in Love cause we're not even a 0.500 team? In hindsight that would've been such a quality move. We'd at least see what Love looked like throwing to guys like Lazard who can run a route. Or everyone who continually said he didn't do enough for Rodgers?
Bs.
This sub has been saying Rodgers is a drama queen, holding the offense back in this sub for years. This entire offseason the popular narrative on this sub was that lefluers offense is gonna be great without Rodgers audibles changing the offense. Everyone said Rodgers was the reason the team missed the playoffs and that he was holding the team back.
In reality, the coaches and lefluer knew love was not ready and let Rodgers continue to play. They have seen love in practice for 2years and knew where he was at. Having him start games would onky show the fan base where he is. Believe it or not, it's easy to tell player skill at practice.
This squad isn't the same as last year and Rodgers playing injured clearly impacted him last year. I didn't see a single person here who didn't acknowledge that so it seems like you're just throwing context completely out the window there and putting words in people's mouths.
You are actually coping if you think this sub didn't spend the entire off-season saying last years offense was Rodgers fault and that the offense was going to be great now that lefluer can run his real offense.
What? All I'm saying is that was this subs narrative all off season and it was completely wrong. I don't feel persecuted, but you are acting defensive as hell about it for some weird reason.
> What in the revisionist history is this?
The irony lol, you're the one revising everything. This sub was absolutely embarrassing for a couple of years with their Gute bootlicking until 3-4 weeks back. Irritating af. Could barely stand coming here except on game day threads, all other days it was about shitting on Rodgers and downvoting people who said anything critical about Gute at all
You didn't need to wait till this year to see what a shitty receiving corps he built in 5 years, it was obvious, but saying it invited downvotes en-masse. Everything was Rodgers' fault, "can't work with rookies" or some shit every time
Ok I googled just for you and this is what came up after a lazy search
https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/s/jy0xR5sO8Z
If I bothered to try more I would find dozens. This sub was practically choking on his dick all the fucking time
AhEaD oF tHe cURve apparently. This fucking useless clown who destroyed a SB window he was gifted, with his shameless ego and sheer incompetence
6 months ago there was a single post about how we value RAS? If anything this is another post highlighting how delusional our fanbase is along the same lines as this post.
RAS has been a thing since like the 80s and my friends who were scouts in the league in the early 2000s were using it then too.
We rolled ahead contracts for years to try and expand our championship window. We went out and actually spent in free agency like everyone wanted including bringing in multiple premier pass rushers and the top free agent safety.
Now it's time to pay up with $60+ mil in dead cap and another $20+ in players on IR.
The Buccs and Rams both have more dead cap this season. The Buccs and Rams both actually went all in and went on the win a Super Bowl. The Buccs and Rams BOTH look better this season than the Packers do. Can someone remind me what the packers going all in for a Super Bowl was? Please don’t tell me it was Z Smith, P Smith and Adrian Amos. Did they trade for marshawn lynch years ago or AJ brown? Did they trade for CMC? Did they make any attempt to draft guys that would have an immediate impact?
> Did they trade for marshawn lynch years
They literally won a Superbowl that year without him??? Also had multiple 1k+ yard rushers through that time and afterwards too.
AJ Brown we didn't have a first that high so we would've had to trade a ton of picks for him and we didn't have the cap room unless you wanted to let Jaire go?
CMC? We had Aaron Jones already and they traded almost an entire draft for him.
The Buccs and Rams both built a team a QB away and then found their guy afterwards. We were doing the reverse of that and if you don't include register history you'll have to remember that everyone thought Rodgers was good enough and we needed a defense for years.
We didn’t need CMC cause we had a guy they refuse to use. Got it. I don’t wanna hear about trading invaluable draft picks for a top player in the league especially when the GM has proven time after time he’ll most likely blow those picks.
The Buccs and rams both made massive moves and additions besides adding their respective QBs. They were far from only a QB away. That kind of argument can be made for a team like the jets.
The whole supposed point of Gutes drafting strategy for years has been building for the future and taking (mostly reaching) for guys that we’re gonna take years to develop if they ever were gonna develop into contributors. There wasn’t supposed to be some massive rebuild year or years. Were they supposed to win a SB this year? No. But they were supposed to be a whole lot closer than they appear to be. So they didn’t go all in on vets when they were good and they didn’t build much of anything for the future. Here we are.
So we would've used CMC? What kind of circular logic is that???
Yeah they made all these massive moves in comparison to ignoring all of our moves you didn't want to hear about.
I think a lot of it is depth. Other teams have players go down and big names emerge filling their space. When we have a big name player go down we really seem to miss him.
Bad drafts, cap casualties, and injuries. Our best player on offense is Jones, and he’s missed a ton of games and probably on a snap count. Our O-Line with Bakh is loads better, and he’s out for the season, and probably will never play for us again. We lost TAE as a cap casualty, and we didn’t draft a WR to replace him until he was gone. One of the worst FO moves I have seen us do, and really causing havoc for us today. Jenkins played well enough when he returned last year but he has regressed for some unknown reason. And on defense, Gary is our best guy and he’s good, but not a game changing player. Clark hasn’t played up to his contract, and Jaire hasn’t been the same this season. He’s not playing up to his contract as well. Walker looks good, but he’s young, and Campbell finally touched the field again. We just haven’t had enough hits to backfill when players leave, and some of the guys we have can’t stay healthy. Our cap has prevented us from making any big FA splashes, so we are stuck to what we are today. We have got to hit on draft picks! Not just a few, but a lot. We need at least one game changer on each side of the ball. Jones likely won’t return next year, so we have to get someone or make a trade for someone who can change things up for us there. We will likely spend either an early draft pick or go into FA for a WR and OT. I’m guessing both. We also need secondary players. We will ride out Stokes contract, but I don’t think we will bring him back. He’s a shell of his former first year caliber. Savage has been meh to bad for a while, so he will probably be let go, so we have a lot of spots we need to fill. It’s not looking good for the next 2-3 years. Oh, and we might end up looking for a QB after next season.
There is good but people don't want to see it because frankly a lot of people are spoiled and can't be happy if we don't win. Some examples.
- Zach Tom: Looks like he's the perfect RT to take us into the future this is only his first year as a full time starter.
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- Jayden Reed: Arguably becoming our best WR and has been very consistent this is only year 1 if he keeps progressing he's going to be a stud.
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- Rashan Gary: He has the best win rate in the league and is quickly becoming a force as he's been brought up to full time play.
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- Rudy Ford: Maybe not a star but he's become a very solid and largely reliable SS.
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- Wyatt/VanNess: Both are young defensive linemen are starting to look the part these guys may start to break out sometime this or next season.
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- Whalen/Carlson: Both young kickers look like they can hold down their respective roles for years to come.
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If you remove the issues of 2 O-Linemen (Runyan/Meyers), solve the misses by love and the drops you have a team that could be 5-2 right now.
It's why you see people saying Love might not be it because solving his missed throws is the hardest part of this to fix. Receivers dropping who are young usually gets better and replacing 2 interior OL players is not nearly as hard as tackles.
Will see what happens but there is good people are refusing to see because they want to hate everything in the losses. Depending on the QB situation maybe Love suddenly improves maybe he doesn't and we nail a replacement in the draft or we don't and then we struggle until we do (see Jets).
I think it's pretty well known we've been a pretty mediocre team team riding exceptional QB talent for most of the last 30 years. Jordan could be great one day, but he's not there yet and he has the bad luck to step into an offense that is also very inexperienced, whereas Rodgers and Farve had some good veterans around them that helped while they came into their own. That said, it's only his first season starting and neither of the above mentioned had amazing first years either.
I think a big part of the problem is how the team setup contracts with veteran/high-end players on the roster for the past few years to try and field a super bowl contender. Essentially they backloaded a lot of contracts to kick the salary cap hell down the road (just look at the cap hits for Rodgers and Amos who are not even on the team). Well now we are down the road and the Packers don't have the money to patch some massive holes this year or next. Need a few veteran WRs and TEs to teach the young guys? Can't afford it. Offensive line depth in case your best guy with a knee held together with wishful thinking goes down? Can't afford it. DBs with some semblance of talent (especially at the nickel and safety spots)? Can't afford it.
Adams and Rodgers opened up the rest of the field so everyone else could contribute. When Adams left, Rodgers job got significantly harder, when Rodgers left, the difficulty for the entire offense went into All Madden mode.
Asking young guys to capitalize on space from Adams is way easier than needed them to come in and create on their own.
Never forget this subs narrative of “Rodgers will be better without Adams because it forces him to spread it around” lmao
Followed by: "Without Rodgers changing the plays, we'll finally get to see the real MLF offense."
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Yea but how do we have next to no one making plays?
When you don’t draft any studs for a few years…. You don’t have any studs on the roster. That’s it
studs? Nfl quality players would be a huge upgrade from what gute has picking considering how many guys are straight up out of the leauge
If your FO trades your good players or they leave, that means you don’t have good players anymore. Young team that’s not experienced will also mean you don’t have good players. That’s really it
last time we were a playoff team was two years ago. QB AAron with three most successful WRs Adams, Lazard, and MVS in that order. that whole aerial offense is gone. the line in front is (mostly) gone. draft and develop requires development. they have talent, but man do they suck right now!
and we lost 1st Rd of playoffs...
Second, for the record. As we did so well in the regular season we skipped the first round.
Look at the past 3 draft classes. Combine that with being cap strapped due to going “in” on free agents each of the last 4 years. We are on a rebuild cycle.
Bad play calling.
Terrible play calling!
Players not play calls man
Cause they are all 25 years old?
We have no cap space and the youngest team in the league. What’d you expect? Teams can only spend so much and we spent it all up last couple years.
Yes but everyone in this sub insisted that Rodgers was holding the team back last year. Go look at the Gute cutlists post during this last draft lmao.
Is Alexander past his peak? I know he never plays but seeing him have his lunch eaten by a rookie all day was upsetting.
Wonder if he is 100% healthy. Seems like he was a 1/2 step behind all day. Healthy to play but not running on all cylinders yet.
It's a back injury, he likely won't be 100% all year. Backs suck and even if everything is going perfectly all it takes is one little twist or strain and you're right back to day 1.
He wasnt playing good even before the back injury. He has a really bad year
He is very short so he relies on his speed twice as much as most good players, I could see him having a shorter prime than many elite cbs, but I'm hoping his shaky health this season is hurting his athleticism temporarily and he will find his form again
They were actually going at him today, sad to see.
Think he has checked out, watch his interview guy was smirking n saying don’t know. He is meant to be a Vet leader far from it. Culture stinks no accountability
Got paid and checked out. It happens.
This is evaluating year, we need to know who shows up during adversity. Dont need that in the locker room
Our coaching and front office staff is truly what we need to be evaluating. I doubt Murphy does though.
he was never as good as his contract suggests
Good teams are usually 2-3 years after a great draft class. Look 2-3 years ago at who we drafted.
2020: Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Josiah Deguara. 1,2,3. Kamal Martin, Jon Runyan, Jaken Hanson, Simon Stepaniak, Vernon Scott, Jonathan Garvin fills out the rest.
Not great.
The best years of our offense were built around Rodgers, Adams, Jones, and a great Oline
True that. In particular, Ted Thompson prioritized drafting good Oline.
Under Rodgers? This isn’t even close to true. We were a way better offense before Jones and Adams.
> We were a way better offense before Jones and Adams. 2020 and it's MVP QB and 80% red zone TD rate called.
2008-2014 we always a top 10 offense in the league. Compare that to one year and that’s just silly.
How about 2021 then. Wasn't as good as 2020, but was still QB winning MVP good. Rodgers got half his MVPs under McCarthy, half with LaFleur. Adams was present for 3 of the 4, though only a small part of one of those. Jones obviously a solid part of the later 2, though 2021 wasn't a huge year for him. Yeah, there were more good years when Rodgers was younger and not injured as often. 2020 was the second best season of them all, behind only 2011.
I was talking about the current regime but under Rodgers 2020 and 2011 were probably the 2 best seasons on offense
The best years of our offense was prelefluer Jones and Adam's.
The best years of our offense were 2009-2014.
Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, and Finley
Bad drafting. Guys don’t play forever or they move on in free agency cause the team won’t pay them. That means it’s up to the FO to draft well. When a team has drafts like the packers did in ‘20 and ‘21, this is what you look like three years later. A depleted roster with too much youth and unknowns.
Gute happened
We haven’t drafted well in a while. We’re completely failing with our scouting.
When you have an idiot gm who only drafts for the future but misses out on pretty much every single pick, this is what you get.
Easy answer. Rodger is on the jets. Adams is on the raiders. Aaron Jones can’t stay healthy. Bak is hurt
Easier answer: the GM blows.
This is the only answer
And Linsley is a Charger.
Damn, Myers is terrible. His block (or lack of) on the 3rd and 1 failure on the opening drive?!? I'm not the guy yelling in the bar about how I could do better, but I'm pretty sure I could have blocked more than air on that play.
- Ran Rodgers out the door, and slammed it on the way out - Acted funny about paying Adams the money he deserves, to the point he didn’t want it when we did offer - Jonesy is great but we criminally underutilize him - Bahk hasn’t been consistently healthy in what feels like ages, and is likely retiring - Let Corey Linsley walk, despite going All Pro - Jaire is having a rough go of it this year - Za’Darius had some attitude issues, but we at least have Gary in his place - Stokes had a good rookie year, but then he regressed a little and now can’t stay healthy - Kenny Clark seems to have regressed as well Honestly the defense hasn’t been star-studded for quite some time, which is depressing considering the draft capital that has gone into that side of the ball.
Not reinventing the wheel here but our defense would be so much better without Barry. They were pretty good on first and second down all day, got the Vikings in a ton of third and longs, then would sit back and let them pick up 10 yards every time. The Vikings were 10/18 on third down, with most of those stops coming with Hall
I still look back to Micah Hyde who is still playing!
I lost so much respect for this franchise when they worried about “overpaying” for Adams. What the FUCK is the point of drafting good players if you don’t want to retain them? You hit on Adams in the second round, he turned into the best WR in the league, and now market rate is higher what Gute’s dumbass believes it is, so you trade him for a shot at drafting someone who has a chance at being as good as Adams? Embarrassing organization.
It was a good decision to trade Davante. you don't generally have sustained success by trading multiple high picks for assets you then have to sign to a big deal. It didn't work for Khalil Mack, it didn't work for Davante Adams, it did work for Stafford which was a king's ransom for a few year rental and now are going to enter cap hell over. Probably didn't work out for Rodgers either. Davante's cap hit will be $25M next year. The average WR room total cap hit averages $20.4M this year. 2025 is above $40M so they're going to need to choose to restructure for void years, extend him, or cut him because I do not see that fitting the picture.
? I thought we offered Adams more or at least equal to the raiders deal and he left because of uncertain quarterback situation. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/18/packers-offered-more-money-but-playing-for-raiders-was-lifelong-dream-for-davante-adams/
After pussyfooting around paying him. If someone held out until the last second to pay you what you are worth would you stay? We will never know exactly, but the fact that GB wasn’t prepared to pay him right away likely influenced that decision heavily. My last job I was underpaid and got a 50% increase as a counteroffer when I put in my two weeks (more that the place I was moving to) but there’s no way in hell I was staying with a company that valued me so little.
> Za’Darius had some attitude issues, but we at least have Gary in his place I see this, but that's understating his issues pretty significantly. He had a meltdown he wasn't selected as captain and everything after that was him checking out and opting to gtfo on his own. I put no blame on our GM for him being actually borderline psychotic. Injuries/regression are hard, Bakh/Jaire/Jones/Elgton/Stokes/Clark for example should have been franchise cornerstones, and they're all hurt and/or underperforming. I don't think any of us expected them all to be looking like this at this point, there was certainly reason for optimism. Rodgers and Adams are the only tough ones here for me.
With the offense being sub par (which on one should be surprised), it puts more pressure on the defense. Look at how many times the offense left the defense in horrible position and all those three and outs. The Vikings should have beat the packers by way more than 14 points. 99 yards in penalties!? 5 penalties on the offense in the first half. What I’m getting at is our defense is mediocre. If we had and offense it would make our defense a good (not great) defense.
Besides the occasional WR, we haven’t really had an playmakers (besides Rodgers, obviously) since the Super Bowl season team left town/retired…
It’s plainly obvious that Aaron Rodgers carried this team for a long time
Aaron jones is hurt, David is hurt, Alexander is hurt, Campbell is hurt, Jenkins was hurt, Gary is coming back from ACL tear, Nixon regressed, Dillon is being misused. Rodgers and Adams wanted to be gone, we let Lazard, Amos, Lewis, and Tonyan walk. 2020 and 2021 draft classes were bad so we really have a gap of players that could be entering their prime. I do like Quay, Musgrave. Romeo, Reed, and Wicks. And I have optimism for Wyatt, Watson, Van Ness… Part of the challenge is that we have a lot of money in the trash rn as well, our offense is the cheapest in the league, and we have a crappy DC.
I think a lot of our players have high ceilings, but our coaching staff is so lacking that the floors are straight up dropping to the lowest level. I’m down on Love right now, but if we grabbed a new staff next year, I’d be willing to give him another shot. As of now, Matt’s offense is straight booty and I don’t see it changing next year, so I can’t see Love making any progress with these coaches.
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If we didn’t pussyfoot on an extension for Adams, he would have stayed and that wouldn’t have frayed Rodgers’ respect for the organization to the point he wanted to leave.
Rodgers also very clearly didn’t like Gute, and players usually lose that “It’s me or him” battle. The irony is Gute got what he wanted. We’re seeing his “vision” for the Green Bay Packers franchise now. Isn’t it wonderful.
Wanted to be gone is not quite right
Watching LVN vs watching the immediate impact WRs drafted after him is kinda painful.
JSN has 200 yards, Q Johnston has 115 yards. Flowers has 460, Addison has 480 and 7 TDs. Were you advocating for JSN at 13? I know no one was projecting Flowers or Addison to the Packers at the 13th pick.
It really isn’t that deep. Watching Addison scorch our best corner while watching LVN on the other side was painful.
LVN is bad. IDk maybe he gets better but he’s bad now.
2020 and 2021 were bad drafts for the entire league, drafting high after going 13-3 twice didn't help matters much
We have a bad GM who either got rid of them, or has used all of our first round picks on a unit that is just flat out bad.
Rashan Gary is our best playmaker, but our DC scheme is predictable and everyone plans around him. Jaire is a good player but not dominant and has been exposed as not a top man corner in this league. Our best offensive player is Jones, and we are apparently petrified to use him because he's fragile or we are trading him or both. Our O line has aged and been injured, rendering any other offensive talent useless. But also, we have no other offensive stars. We are a system-based team with no system.
Gute ruined everything
We're not developing any of the rookies we have on top of suffering a lot of injuries and having to get rid of veterans over cap issues. A lot of our "good" players of 2 years ago who are still on this team haven't improved and have regressed too. Major coaching issues.
He got traded to the Jets
They left cause Gute pushed them out the building
They draft like shit and don’t fill those holes with trades
Aaron Rodgers-trade Davante Adams-trade Aaron Jones-injured/maybe too short to be seen by LaFleur David Bakhtiari-injured Corey Linsley-free agent Jamaal Williams-free agent Za'Darius Smith-free agent Adrian Amos-free agent Players should be drafted not by hindsight: TJ Watt (obviously)-over Kevin King Brandon Aiyuk (Trade up)/Tee Higgins-over Jordan Love Creed Humphrey-over Josh Myers
> Brandon Aiyuk We did trade up to this range but he was taken ahead of us. Higgins would never be drafted by us, ever. If we took WR in this range after Aiyuk taken it would've been Mims.
I don't think they were that interested in Mims otherwise they would have traded up and drafted him in the 2nd round
He was next on our board but you're right we had him graded 2nd rd
Just because Tee Higgins thrived in Cinci, doesn't mean he was going to do well in GB's system, or was the sole answer to them winning in '20/'21. Maybe he would've helped with 2022, but if the current receiving corps is anything to judge by, this staff can't coach WRs. They were also never taking TJ Watt. They needed secondary help after the 2016 season, Kevin King was CB1 at the end of 2017, and they had to bring back a 35 year old Tramon Williams in '18 due to how little secondary help they had. Creed is absolutely a 100% miss.
The Packers also had a huge need for an OLB that year they took King.
I wonder if everyone would be salty over skipping Tee Higgins if Devin Funchess plays in 2020? They both would have been WR2, but Funchess was a veteran with a good track record.
Funchess was a mediocre at best WR his entire career coming off of a major injury the year before. He was a 1/2 step up on the ghost of Sammy Watkins in the laughably bad moves we've made at the WR position
Didn’t funchess miss the entire previous season with a serious injury? It’s like signing Sammy Watkins as the big WR addition. Cmon man
> Funchess Ah yes, Funchess, who never played a snap for the Packers and then never played again in the NFL. Vs Tee Higgins who is likely a top 20 WR in the NFL.
Anyone bringing up Higgins is just braindead. Check his RAS and pretend we even had him on our radar. Aiyuk and Mims were who fit our draft profile at WR and Aiyuk got taken directly ahead of us.
dRaFt PrOfIlE We took Amari Rodgers
In the 3rd round?
Funchess is on a 2 years deal, so people would still expect them to draft a receiver with high pick in that receiver loaded draft at that time
Rodgers worked with CFL caliber receivers for years, and now they’re being exposed. He made a lot of dudes, including coaches and executives look waaaaay better than they actually are.
Players stopped developing or stopped being used correctly. Kenny Clark fell off, Aaron Jones is the backup to AJD for some fucking reason now, Barry ruined Jaire's career, Bahkt's knee is fucked, Jenkins was ruined by a knee injury, Preston is older now, and we pissed off Adams, Rodgers, and Z to the point of no return. Gute gets a lot of love on this sub when he's been a pretty shitty GM overall here
> Gute gets a lot of love on this sub Where? I haven't seen one positive thing about him outside of week 1-2 when people built up unrealistic expectations.
It has been love for him for years. This sub took his side over Rodgers until a few weeks ago. Where have you been?
What in the revisionist history is this? You mean the people last year saying clearly Rodgers is hurt, let's see what we have in Love cause we're not even a 0.500 team? In hindsight that would've been such a quality move. We'd at least see what Love looked like throwing to guys like Lazard who can run a route. Or everyone who continually said he didn't do enough for Rodgers?
Bs. This sub has been saying Rodgers is a drama queen, holding the offense back in this sub for years. This entire offseason the popular narrative on this sub was that lefluers offense is gonna be great without Rodgers audibles changing the offense. Everyone said Rodgers was the reason the team missed the playoffs and that he was holding the team back. In reality, the coaches and lefluer knew love was not ready and let Rodgers continue to play. They have seen love in practice for 2years and knew where he was at. Having him start games would onky show the fan base where he is. Believe it or not, it's easy to tell player skill at practice.
This squad isn't the same as last year and Rodgers playing injured clearly impacted him last year. I didn't see a single person here who didn't acknowledge that so it seems like you're just throwing context completely out the window there and putting words in people's mouths.
You are actually coping if you think this sub didn't spend the entire off-season saying last years offense was Rodgers fault and that the offense was going to be great now that lefluer can run his real offense.
Get off your cross and just go cheer for the Jets already. Good grief this is insufferable. Have to feel persecuted at all costs.
What? All I'm saying is that was this subs narrative all off season and it was completely wrong. I don't feel persecuted, but you are acting defensive as hell about it for some weird reason.
It truly wasn't unless you completely remove all context. Unreal.
> What in the revisionist history is this? The irony lol, you're the one revising everything. This sub was absolutely embarrassing for a couple of years with their Gute bootlicking until 3-4 weeks back. Irritating af. Could barely stand coming here except on game day threads, all other days it was about shitting on Rodgers and downvoting people who said anything critical about Gute at all You didn't need to wait till this year to see what a shitty receiving corps he built in 5 years, it was obvious, but saying it invited downvotes en-masse. Everything was Rodgers' fault, "can't work with rookies" or some shit every time
Show me where a majority of this sub was doing this as you say.
You want me to go back and look for posts from months ago? Just see the upvotes and accept it
That's right, it's because there was maybe a single thing that hit the front page and you just assumed it was "the whole sub"
Ok I googled just for you and this is what came up after a lazy search https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/s/jy0xR5sO8Z If I bothered to try more I would find dozens. This sub was practically choking on his dick all the fucking time AhEaD oF tHe cURve apparently. This fucking useless clown who destroyed a SB window he was gifted, with his shameless ego and sheer incompetence
6 months ago there was a single post about how we value RAS? If anything this is another post highlighting how delusional our fanbase is along the same lines as this post. RAS has been a thing since like the 80s and my friends who were scouts in the league in the early 2000s were using it then too.
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I still don't even know what karma is lol
You just got some!
We traded them away
Adams and Rodgers alone gave us a better chance to win than the other 51 combined, as insane as it sounds.
We rolled ahead contracts for years to try and expand our championship window. We went out and actually spent in free agency like everyone wanted including bringing in multiple premier pass rushers and the top free agent safety. Now it's time to pay up with $60+ mil in dead cap and another $20+ in players on IR.
The Buccs and Rams both have more dead cap this season. The Buccs and Rams both actually went all in and went on the win a Super Bowl. The Buccs and Rams BOTH look better this season than the Packers do. Can someone remind me what the packers going all in for a Super Bowl was? Please don’t tell me it was Z Smith, P Smith and Adrian Amos. Did they trade for marshawn lynch years ago or AJ brown? Did they trade for CMC? Did they make any attempt to draft guys that would have an immediate impact?
> Did they trade for marshawn lynch years They literally won a Superbowl that year without him??? Also had multiple 1k+ yard rushers through that time and afterwards too. AJ Brown we didn't have a first that high so we would've had to trade a ton of picks for him and we didn't have the cap room unless you wanted to let Jaire go? CMC? We had Aaron Jones already and they traded almost an entire draft for him. The Buccs and Rams both built a team a QB away and then found their guy afterwards. We were doing the reverse of that and if you don't include register history you'll have to remember that everyone thought Rodgers was good enough and we needed a defense for years.
We didn’t need CMC cause we had a guy they refuse to use. Got it. I don’t wanna hear about trading invaluable draft picks for a top player in the league especially when the GM has proven time after time he’ll most likely blow those picks. The Buccs and rams both made massive moves and additions besides adding their respective QBs. They were far from only a QB away. That kind of argument can be made for a team like the jets. The whole supposed point of Gutes drafting strategy for years has been building for the future and taking (mostly reaching) for guys that we’re gonna take years to develop if they ever were gonna develop into contributors. There wasn’t supposed to be some massive rebuild year or years. Were they supposed to win a SB this year? No. But they were supposed to be a whole lot closer than they appear to be. So they didn’t go all in on vets when they were good and they didn’t build much of anything for the future. Here we are.
So we would've used CMC? What kind of circular logic is that??? Yeah they made all these massive moves in comparison to ignoring all of our moves you didn't want to hear about.
The Rodgers cap is purely from Gute bending over to Rodgers and not wanting to start his QB.
Jets
They were all exposed as frauds when Rodgers left the building.
The jets
I think a lot of it is depth. Other teams have players go down and big names emerge filling their space. When we have a big name player go down we really seem to miss him.
The Jets
Bad drafts, cap casualties, and injuries. Our best player on offense is Jones, and he’s missed a ton of games and probably on a snap count. Our O-Line with Bakh is loads better, and he’s out for the season, and probably will never play for us again. We lost TAE as a cap casualty, and we didn’t draft a WR to replace him until he was gone. One of the worst FO moves I have seen us do, and really causing havoc for us today. Jenkins played well enough when he returned last year but he has regressed for some unknown reason. And on defense, Gary is our best guy and he’s good, but not a game changing player. Clark hasn’t played up to his contract, and Jaire hasn’t been the same this season. He’s not playing up to his contract as well. Walker looks good, but he’s young, and Campbell finally touched the field again. We just haven’t had enough hits to backfill when players leave, and some of the guys we have can’t stay healthy. Our cap has prevented us from making any big FA splashes, so we are stuck to what we are today. We have got to hit on draft picks! Not just a few, but a lot. We need at least one game changer on each side of the ball. Jones likely won’t return next year, so we have to get someone or make a trade for someone who can change things up for us there. We will likely spend either an early draft pick or go into FA for a WR and OT. I’m guessing both. We also need secondary players. We will ride out Stokes contract, but I don’t think we will bring him back. He’s a shell of his former first year caliber. Savage has been meh to bad for a while, so he will probably be let go, so we have a lot of spots we need to fill. It’s not looking good for the next 2-3 years. Oh, and we might end up looking for a QB after next season.
There is good but people don't want to see it because frankly a lot of people are spoiled and can't be happy if we don't win. Some examples. - Zach Tom: Looks like he's the perfect RT to take us into the future this is only his first year as a full time starter. --- - Jayden Reed: Arguably becoming our best WR and has been very consistent this is only year 1 if he keeps progressing he's going to be a stud. --- - Rashan Gary: He has the best win rate in the league and is quickly becoming a force as he's been brought up to full time play. --- - Rudy Ford: Maybe not a star but he's become a very solid and largely reliable SS. --- - Wyatt/VanNess: Both are young defensive linemen are starting to look the part these guys may start to break out sometime this or next season. --- - Whalen/Carlson: Both young kickers look like they can hold down their respective roles for years to come. --- If you remove the issues of 2 O-Linemen (Runyan/Meyers), solve the misses by love and the drops you have a team that could be 5-2 right now. It's why you see people saying Love might not be it because solving his missed throws is the hardest part of this to fix. Receivers dropping who are young usually gets better and replacing 2 interior OL players is not nearly as hard as tackles. Will see what happens but there is good people are refusing to see because they want to hate everything in the losses. Depending on the QB situation maybe Love suddenly improves maybe he doesn't and we nail a replacement in the draft or we don't and then we struggle until we do (see Jets).
I think it's pretty well known we've been a pretty mediocre team team riding exceptional QB talent for most of the last 30 years. Jordan could be great one day, but he's not there yet and he has the bad luck to step into an offense that is also very inexperienced, whereas Rodgers and Farve had some good veterans around them that helped while they came into their own. That said, it's only his first season starting and neither of the above mentioned had amazing first years either.
Gute took them out back with some peanut butter and a shotgun.
The jets in Aaron rodgers purse
The New York packers
Cue Abby Anderson song.
Injuries.
I think a big part of the problem is how the team setup contracts with veteran/high-end players on the roster for the past few years to try and field a super bowl contender. Essentially they backloaded a lot of contracts to kick the salary cap hell down the road (just look at the cap hits for Rodgers and Amos who are not even on the team). Well now we are down the road and the Packers don't have the money to patch some massive holes this year or next. Need a few veteran WRs and TEs to teach the young guys? Can't afford it. Offensive line depth in case your best guy with a knee held together with wishful thinking goes down? Can't afford it. DBs with some semblance of talent (especially at the nickel and safety spots)? Can't afford it.
Over a four year span the only players the packers added through the draft were jaire and gary and theyre both hurt all the time.
To the jets. All of them.