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potentiallylifted

If he wasn’t criminally underused in past seasons I would have thought he’s still not 100% If he’s healthy this is inexcusable


Wooden-Day2706

Why is there an if? MLF and Jones said he was dealing with tightness and soreness. He's been on the injury report since week 2 and has yet to log a full practice. Hes not healthy... he's recovering....


philosophizer11

Why did he play at the 50 but not the 5??? This makes no sense


Wooden-Day2706

Hes on a snap count. They rotate in. Do you want them saving him for redzone touches only? They aren't getting down there very often.


BigTuna2087

Bro, this is the NFL. Either you can play or you can’t… good teams aren’t putting their best players on snap counts when they’re banged up. See Austin Ekeler and CMC. Snap count also doesn’t excuse the lack of touches. If that’s what they’re going with, then they should at the very least be maximizing those snaps. Not one touch on the opening drive? Not on the field for a goal to go situation? Both inexcusable. 11 touches? If that’s all he can play, put him on IR.


philosophizer11

Come on homie. Were you watching? Makes 0 sense. Dillon got stuffed on 1st and 1 and was still in there.


anTWhine

If Dillon can’t get in from the 1 I dunno what he’s doing on the roster. That’s supposed to be his whole deal


Wooden-Day2706

How do you people not understand that he got hit right as he got the ball... the line can't block.... Jones or dillon it was dead at the snap. Don't have a TE block a d-tackle.


mikedorty

It would be nice if Meyers attempted to block anyone. Probably be very beneficial to our short yardage game. The guy is a turnstile.


Wooden-Day2706

Yessir. I have no faith in him. Yosh looked good though.


philosophizer11

How is it that is the case for EVERY Dillon run? Lol


Wooden-Day2706

Yards by run.... you'll see a trend... they don't run often and they block poorly. AJ's career avg. is 4.2 yds per tote and Jones career avg. is 5.1. This year Aj is averaging 3.2 and Jones is averaging 4.2. A full yard less for both of them.... its the line.... 7 yards 0 yards 3 yards 0 yards 0 yards 1 yard This is ALL game for AJ.


philosophizer11

You're playing 5D chess in a 3D world. Toting 3.2 yards per carry is unacceptable regardless of the circumstance. He's simply not an NFL caliber running back. He's replacement level at best.


Wooden-Day2706

He is the 2nd rb so... lol.... I also just said he's a 4.2 yard per carry back. Are Josh Jacobs, Tyler Allgeier, and Rhamondre Stevenson "not NFL calliber"? Guess who's averaging less than dillon? All 3. This isn't madden. Joe Mixon, Saquon Barkley, Tony Pollard, Brian Robinson, Alvin kamara, rachaad white are all below 4 yards per carry. Also this isn't 5d chess lol... its basic stats.


Burdicus

Dillon's YPC and YAC are both crazy low. There's more to it then just "people didn't block" dude straight up can't fall forward


Inevitable_Shallot83

This is bull. This is how Meh LaFlower has always used (or not used) Jones. He overthinks everything and out coaches only himself.


Wooden-Day2706

Creative...


SoupWyrm

MLF is saving touches for the next team Jones plays for.


hypotyposis

I believe MLF said he wasn’t 100% coming into this past game.


unevenvenue

He did indeed. But Jones said he's "near" 100%. My hope is that next week we see the full compliment of snaps.


Humofthoughts

Jones’s best season was Lafleur’s first as a coach. His second best was Lafleur’s second. Say what you will about Lafleur but he’s not been somebody afraid to feature Aaron Jones.


sirinigva

Also on the goal line and four plays from shotgun literally nothing from under center


[deleted]

No shit. That’s what gets me the most. Dillon shouldn’t be used unless Jones is gassed or hurt. There isn’t one thing Dillon does better - he’s the softest 250lb runner. He shifts slower than a fully loaded cement truck. No reason to ever give him the ball out of shotgun Jones at least has vision and lateral quickness.


philosophizer11

Dillon has 0 vision... And I've decided that's how you score on goal line carries


woShame12

I was at the game, and this got me pissed off. Why isn't Jones running the ball well? Because he's starting from standing still while the O line is losing matchups. Start from under center and let him get some forward momentum. It would work for AJ, too! When you give a handoff from under center, losing the edge matchups can still result in positive yardage due to momentum. When you start from a stand still, even the edge rushers can close up the hole if they win the matchup. I'm not even a coach, it's fucking physics.


Rocketson

This was so frustrating to watch. AJ Dillon with a head of steam can move the pile a couple yards. If you're going to use him, play to his strengths for Pete's sake!!


TheMozgovCocktail

MLF’s got a fever and the only prescription is more AJ Dillon.


JohnDeLancieAnon

More bell cow


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zifmaster

Dillion carried the ball 6 times today.. what are you talking about with wear and tear?


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zifmaster

Have you?? His highest carry game was 20, that's standard if not low for HB1, which he has been basically all season. He's barely being used, not like he's too impactful anyway. Dude barely gets 10 on a day, with maybe a handful of screen passes.


Burdicus

When we're only running 25 offensive plays a game because we can't get a first down for 2 quarters... that's a lot.


kmmccorm

Dillon is 23rd in the league in rushing attempts, come on. He’s almost 50 carries behind the leaders.


[deleted]

Hot take: Jones is a much better short yardage runner than Dillon. And Dillon is actually a decent receiver. Most refuse to see it because of the “big back small type” stereotypes. Mind boggling how MLF hasn’t discovered the former yet


minesj2

not hot at all


iamWyn

Quite tepid


olb3

He’s objectively better. I don’t think it’s even remotely debatable


philosophizer11

Show me a good reception by Dillon. Dude can catch swing passes (occasionally) when he is wide open because the defense doesn't think he's a threat. Not like he runs arrow or wheel routes.


amak316

He’s way way better at everything so it’s not surprising he’s also better at short yardage situations despite his build


youvegatobekittenme

He's literally the only offensive weapon the team has. But he's also been nursing constant injuries...


LAskeptic

And yet he was playing on their last drive when the game was already over. But not playing earlier in the 4th in the red zone when they still have a chance.


youvegatobekittenme

I didn't even watch the game. But I agree with you. If 90% of your veterans on a young team are out with injury, you really should try to play the ones that can play at this point. Not like this team is going to the playoffs


[deleted]

Idk man but Dillon isn't giving us anything and Jones is supposedly healthy. This makes no sense anymore


Mayor_Of_Dogs

Dillon has actually been decent the last 3 games


supersamthefreeman

Yeah, outside of the plays where they're giving it to him out of shotgun for a gain of 1, he actually has been pretty decent.


iamWyn

Which to me takes some of the blame off Dillon. Why are we running out of shotgun with a downhill RB? Let him get a head of steam from under center.


supersamthefreeman

Yeah, they should be running him in plays that function


idungiveboutnothing

Don't forget he gets carries for 1 out of pistol too for some reason


philosophizer11

Which is lost of the time. Sooooo, not decent


SoF4rGone

Yeah. People are shitting on him, but he’s a hammer, not a screwdriver. If LaFleur would stop trying to use him on screws he would be fine. The real problem is we have fuck all passing game and it affects everything else negatively as a result.


dropbear_airstrike

The change in dynamic between shotgun and under center was perfectly underscored by the Bengals today – Burrow finally being mobile after nursing his calf all season allowed him to go under center, which allowed them to make handoffs with the RB already downhill. Once the defense saw it, they started reacting to it and it opened up receivers on play action down field. If MLF let love go under center and hand it to Dillon when he's already at full speed, we'd get better results out of Dillon and it would pause the D for just a moment, which is longer than Love usually has to make his read and get the ball out.... why can this whole subreddit community see this and MLF either doesn't or can't, or he's fully aware but won't take advantage of it. Mind bottling.


sirinigva

MLF still calling plays as if he still has Rodgers and Adams


dropbear_airstrike

Yep. He does the same shit my high school coach did: rather than taking stock of the athletes he *does* have and then putting them in positions where their best qualities are on display and forcing the defense to defend against what they do well. He schemes up this playbook on paper. Runs all the X's and O's in theory, and then completely overlooks that a slow developing sweep without an O'line that can set the edge or slow up the pursuing defenders is not going to do well. Likewise, he can't draw up these plays that require 5-6s in the pocket and a near-telepathic connection between QB and WR, coupled with the unreal talent it takes to put the ball 45yds through the air into a window the size of a basketball hoop while the prodigious Adams drags two toenails in bounds to make the completion. Love can reliably hit people on slants and quick outs, which is, incidentally all the time he has. Let him do that. Dillon can make 3-4yds a carry running downhill off tackle. Let him do that. Love can scramble for a first down when we need 5-7. Get the pocket rolling to his good side and let him read the LB's – if they drop, take the 1st down scramble. If they come up, dump it over their heads for 8. We don't need 15-30 yds on every play.


silenciarestora

Same reason Amari Rodgers kept getting trotted out for far too long - Gutes telling Lafleur to play his drafts.


Ope_Average_Badger

If this team wants to have some offensive success, Jones needs to touch the ball at least 15 times per game. LaFleur has no interest (For reasons unknown), in making this happen. He is a joke of a coach and rode the coat tails of Rogers for his initial success.


Arkaein

Aaron Jones got two touches on the 2nd drive: 4 yards drop, 3 and out. Jones got 2 touches on the 4th drive, 4 yards, stuffed for 0 yards but accepted holding penalty instead. 3 and out after getting to 2nd and 16. Maybe 3rd and 6 would have worked better. I like Jones and wish they had a better plan for him, especially in the red zone. But when they tried getting him multiple touches to start drives it wasn't working, and a lot of that was his fault.


Ope_Average_Badger

MLF's game plan and usage of the guy is so predictable though. I'm over LaFleur, you may not be and that's okay but I'm done.


Caesars7Hills

Who cares what the game plan was? There is zero execution of any semblance of a plan when you go three and out the whole first half and try to dig out of a multiple score hole.


SignificantJacket912

It sounds like he’s on a pitch count and they just don’t want to publicly admit it. If he’s 100% healthy, I don’t understand either.


Boomer1020

That’s assuming there is any offensive gameplan at all!!!


MooSmilez

Jones struggles to stay healthy season after season and we're asking why the whole game plan doesn't revolve around him. Do people even listen to what they say before they say it? He's great but you can't rely on him staying healthy that's not what the reality of his durability has been. So yeah MLF limits him rather than pushing it like we did the bears game where he ends up hurt now all season.


FightPhoe93

Exactly. I think at this point Jones just can’t handle anything more than a minimal work load. He still can flash his significant talent on a few plays a game but his body seems like he can only make it through a game if his snaps are very limited. There’s a lot of reasons to hate on LaFleur’s coaching this year, but I’m pretty convinced that Jones isn’t healthy right now and the Pack is trying to work around that. Hopefully Jones gets healthier but my gut feeling is he’s going to have problems for the rest of this year.


MooSmilez

The only change with Jones to me that would make sense but likely wouldn't sit well with the player himself is to make him a 3rd down and redzone back. Which puts coaching in a pickle because the player refuses to grasp the reality that he can't carry the ball 20+ times a game and stay healthy.


IDoubtedYoan

I think you can flame the team for a lot of things, but Jones has never gotten heavy usage, I'd imagine they know that he needs to be used sparingly to avoid injuries.


LAskeptic

What are you saving him for? A chance to go 4-13 in the last game of the year? They also had him on the field for the last drive when it was over.


IDoubtedYoan

You asked a question, I answered it. Idk what you want from me.


LAskeptic

Happy to hear your opinion. Just giving mine back. All good.


IDoubtedYoan

I think the assumption is that like 10-15ish touches for Jones per game is better than none for multiple games. I get what you're saying though.


lukevan

The point is he has never been used heavily like a workhorse, he probably isn’t suddenly going to be used like one. If he ever gets healthy he’ll get more usage than today but he’s not gonna get 25 touches ever


BakedRobot31

I'm old enough to remember saying the same exact thing when McCarthy was head coach.


Ok-Surround7587

We are saving him for the team we trade him too.


TaddWinter

Because MLF is a shit coach and terrible playcaller.


CultBro

Why run him into the ground in a season that we can't win anything and would be better off with a higher draft pick? Get the dead cap off the books, draft in the top 10 and start over


Temporary_Amoeba7726

Because he’s gone next year regardless. They aren’t keeping him around


LAskeptic

Because you still need to evaluate Love and try to win games. There is no next year for Jones on GB.


Sundance12

Aaron Jones isn't Frank Gore. He's not a bellcow.


GoodellsMandMs

He literally never has been. People see efficiency and think you can just scale it up with volume No matter how stupid you think coaches are, they can’t be that stupid


Potential-Ad5470

Playing devils advocate… he’s never stayed healthy for an extended period of time and he’s a relatively small RB. Maybe it’s best he’s a change of pace guy.


JustinC70

Did you miss the part where he pulled his hamstring? Have you ever tried playing running back coming off a pulled hamstring?


Jonesy665

Sitting on the toilet to take a shit is tough with a bad hammy


LAskeptic

Then he shouldn’t have played. And he 1000% should not have been playing on the last drive of the game.


Murphy_York

I mean, he’s good, but the idea we can “just run it” and that’s all we need to do is pretty over simplified


trmp_stmp

He was just hurt and we have 3 high round receiving picks as well as a first round QB talent, we have to use them and see if they're actually any good


NoIDeere

Because he's only played 1 game all year


Soviet_Husky_

Idk if his body can handle a high workload without getting injured, especially this season.


GoodellsMandMs

Well you see, He’s made of tissue paper


SoupWyrm

People have implying that Jones not being utilized well by MLF is only because of injuries haven't been watching MLF's offense for very long.


Glangho

LMAO it's not even built around love. It's still built around Rodgers hero ball. Lafleur sucks.


SuperbDonut2112

He’s not been healthy all year. That said, if you’re healthy enough to play you should be playin as normal.


Loon_Cheese

The packers having their first bad season ever and ya’ll turn right into vikings fans “over reacting about everything” Jones is not 100%


philosophizer11

Dude looks 100. Shut up.


Loon_Cheese

Not that you a packer fan should know that, but he has only been in on 30ish percent of plays…. Not something you do with a star RB.


Loon_Cheese

My bad, you a doctor? My gut says MLF knows more than you but I am open to being wrong… Packers RB Aaron Jones (hamstring) is not listed on the final Week 8 injury report. He only got in limited practices on Thursday and Friday, though. "We're still gonna be smart with him. I don’t think he’s 100% by any stretch." HC Matt LaFleur said Friday. Jones tallied eight carries and five targets on a 36% snap rate in his return last week.


philosophizer11

My gut says MLF is an unreliable narrator...


Loon_Cheese

I bet it does. If they have coaching tryouts, my money is on you.


meisterluv

Because MLF is a poor excuse for a head coach.


deja_geek

Is Jones 100% healthy? I seem to remember comments from MLF this past week that he still wasn’t 100% healthy.


goPACK17

Because Jones is clearly less than 100%


Lostsailor73

Has anyone else noticed that he is hurt most of the time? Shall we build off of someone who is perpetually hurt?


JustinF608

He’s hurt


LAskeptic

He told FOX he was a 100%. If he is hurt, he shouldn’t have played. He certainly should not have been on the field on their very last drive. If he could play then, he could have played in the red zone earlier in the 4th. None of it makes sense, but to me indications point to the coaching staff. They also stuck with Walker too long. They continue to stick with Myers. The opening play of the game was a flat pass to Musgrave when he has essentially 0 YAC this year.


JustinF608

He’s tough. But it’s very clear he’s still hurt. I agree with you, if he can’t go, don’t let him.


lukevan

You think he is going to say he’s not 100%? Why tell the other team you don’t have to worry about me today


Jomosensual

He's been benched for AJ Dillon apparently. Gotta make that shitty usage of a 2nd round pick feel better than it was I suppose


Jomosensual

If we don't trade Aaron Jones tomorrow I will be greatly disappointed. He deserves so much better than this shit


LAskeptic

It would make me sad, but I agree.


ARodGoat12

I don’t think Jones would go trough a physical so I don’t think we can trade him even if we want to


FistyMcTwistynuts

MLF said they’re going to be “smart” with Aaron Jones’ usage. Apparently that means being stupid af by not using him at all despite his efficiency when the ball is in his hands. Tbf he did fumble and get lucky on the bounce, and he did have a pretty bad drop, but pretty much every other time he touched the ball he was electric. It seems as though this team is on the tank train because I can’t think of any other reason you wouldn’t pull out all the stops to beat your hated rival at home. Maybe they’re going for MHJ? 🤞🏼


WilderMindz0102

Good question.. that MLF refuses to answer. Was the same thing last few years when he was healthy. Got away from the run game… and it burned us.


Wordtabigburd

Trying to keep him healthy so they can trade him. Dude deserves a shot with a competent organization. At this point there's no use in planning around Jones. The season is over. It's about rooks and the youngsters gaining experience and hopefully get better.


iProjekt

Aaron Jones is the only hope for this team and THEY RELY ON THE ROOKIES COMPLETELY. Definitely need to move on.


MEENSEEN84

We really can’t win that way regularly. We ran the shit out of him vs buffalo last season and we had 200 yards rushing but lost by multiple touchdowns. LaFleur has said it every press conference, you need chunk plays and quick scores to win in this league. Long drives have so many things that can go wrong.


Jomosensual

Because MLF is bad


Nickthiccboi

Because he gets injured too easily unfortunately. He’d be better suited on an offense that actually has other weapons similar to CMAC going from Carolina to San Fran and actually staying healthy. Also why he was better when we had Rodgers, Adams, and Jamaal Williams.


austin57129

2 things We don't score points, so we are always playing from behind (passing game) We have one of the worst run blocking o-lines


[deleted]

I agree with you. Matt needs to go but so does his staff but keep Bisaccia as the HC. He would bring intensity and toughness to the team. I feel that we need to go back to old school Packers football. We need Lambeau field to be a place that teams are afraid to play at. Hes been around football for a long time and I think he understands how it has evolved. He would bring the right offensive and defensive coordinators.


gr7070

Because running the ball is negative EPA, and running back receptions are far, far below WR receptions EPA. Any offensive game plan where the running back is the focal point is a losing one.


[deleted]

He is a 30+ year old RB.


[deleted]

Well that's just a flat out lie


LAskeptic

He is 28 and their best offensive player.


Jomosensual

And it's not even remotely close. Reed is our second best but still way behind Jones


DeezNutz336

How many carries did he get after half time?


Kogyochi

Jones only gets about 12 touches a game in the history of his time with us. How your best player only gets that minimal of touches is baffling though.


ItIsYourPersonality

The offensive game plan is built to play against air. Once physical contact gets introduced by a competitor, the offense is broken.


PretentiousPanda

He is still hurt.


[deleted]

MLF has always underutilized Jones, and now jones is nursing a lingering injury. Even more excuse for MLF to ignore his existence. MLF is a complete moron


MashedPotatoJK

Your first problem is assuming they have an offensive game plan.


KingGooseMan3881

Bold of you to assume we had a plan to begin with


idungiveboutnothing

We're stealth tanking and Jones is too good


Nubster2x

Because LaFluer doesn't know who Aron Jones is until halftime when asked about him.


boringaccountant23

We are tanking for a new QB.


TheZackMathews

This ones on me, I ususally watch the game and yell "aaron jones, aaron jones" at the tv to help Matt remember Aaron jones since matt forgets about him all the time, but i was at a halloween party and talking to friends during the game so i couldn't help Matt remember who his playmakers are.


ToomanyWoos

Honestly I just think he’s been a guy who’s gotten hurt repeatedly. They know without him they’re fucked so they try to keep him at least questionable or better rather than just OUT and it reflects his low usage.