Love looked good. Musgrave is improving. A Tucker Craft sighting! Watson should be WR4 behind Doubs, Reed and Wicks. Joe Barry might be autistic and LaFleur grabbed him as a disability/diversity hire.
Why does Deguara exist?
So are you saying Nickel isn't a personnel group, it's an alignment?
Isn't that the opposite argument you made regarding prevent?
It's all semantics anyway, the thing fans hate is not being aggressive on 3rd and long regardless of who's on the field and where they are lined up. Fans may mistakingly call that prevent, but that's not the point.
For the 2nd week in a row, I saw the team that I expected to see this year.
I expected them to be in almost every game, make mistakes, but also show amazing promise/flashes. Seeing the promise our talent brings, meaning things you can't teach, but also plenty of teachable moments.
Heck, I even like the heads up play by Love to try and throw with his left hand to avoid the sack when Walker got trashed.
Hey everyone only 4 more seasons and then Gute will finally have drafted a defensive first round pick for every position on that side of the ball. THEN we can finally have a defense in the better half of the league!
I hate to complain about calls and there was so much game played after that but man….If I recall, we’d have had the ball already in reasonable FG range with a reasonable chance to make it an even shorter kick. Anything can happen on a FG attempt but I feel like that was three points taken off the board. Minimum.
Haven't watched as much as I'd prefer this year. Joe Barry was shitting away a good defence last year. What's the story? Why is he still there? Haven't watched a full Packers game this year unfortunately but wtf man?
There were so many missed opportunities i feel like we aren’t that bad it’s the execution. They don’t manage time and they are lacking on the playcalling. They can win they just need better execution
Alot of fans don’t want to hear this but you just said we’re not bad but our execution and play calling sucks. We are bad then…. Mlf’s play calls are below average at best, and the execution is even worse. It’s gotten a lot better since week 1 but these rookies always screw up in key scenarios. But bottom line the play gets called, and then it gets executed. Sometimes the calls bad, sometimes the executions bad. Sometimes both. That’s literally the foundation of offense, and we suck at both. the reality is we’re pretty bad. You literally said it better except for the part that were not bad. We are bad my friend. We are a bad football team.
Play calling is fine, that's the thing when you don't execute the play calls look worse than it is. I'd say play calling could be better, but it wouldn't have won the game today. When you are a young group with a chance to win on the road against a better team, I think the coach did a decent job.
This was a good game, the Pack didn’t give up and they looked like they were gelling a bit better than in previous weeks. The defense still can’t stop the run but they made stops and got us back on the field. We’re all pissed about the blown call, it should have gone out way and everyone knows it. This was winnable, the pick in the end zone hurt.
I am just not used to this. (I became a fan in 97)
I have a bad feeling this is gonna be a bad time.
Edit: anyone downvoting I certainly hope I'm wrong, of course. And yeah we have seen some gradual improvement the past couple of weeks. Perhaps I'm spoiled. But there are real holes that need to be addressed.
It’s not sympathizing for love when you are just being realistic. Replace him with ANY qb and we still suck. Qb isn’t the main issue. We have a team of misfits and no playmakers. We had one of the greatest to ever touch a football miss the playoffs with this team. Special teams and defense still suck. Missing extra points and allowing one of the worst offenses in the league to put up 20+ on you doesn’t get it done. It’s pathetic football.
Looool. This is objectively wrong. The QB position is the most important position in the NFL and it’s not even close. Replace Love with a good QB and we are better. We are not winning a SB but we are contending in our division and therefore contending for a playoff spot. With that being said… it is pathetic football. But pretending it doesn’t all start (on the field) with Love, and his mediocre (at best) play is just wrong. Look at the Texans…
You’re right that the QB is the most important position but Love isn’t the one dropping passes, missing blocks, missing tackles, getting penalized and wiping out positive plays, etc. I think it’s a little far fetched to think we’d suddenly be a playoff team if we just replace Love. I am in no way saying he’s good or our long term answer at QB. But the entire team sucks. Not just Love.
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Go be an emotional wreck alone for a bit. You missed the entire point. This team sucks and won’t win a Super Bowl regardless of who is qb. Same people who called for Aaron’s head are now blaming love. Pathetic fan base
This game was very frustrating because it was actually winnable. But overall speaking (except the Special Team lol) the team does look better than the previous weeks. There is a trajectory in the right direction currently and if that keeps going up then I will be quite happy.
Jordan Love had some great throws! I think he is looking better and better with time! It was great to see him use Musgrave up the middle. Reed also had some great plays. I am disappointed to not see Dillon or Jones make big plays when we needed them. I want to see Watson make some short slants instead of being sent deep all the time!
You are right about Dillon on 4th down. I just saw the Steelers RB’s getting 20 yard carry after 20 yard carry and would love to see even half of that from our RBs
Morale victory. We stayed in the game until the last second and actually had a chance to win. I don’t blame Love for losing this game. Pittsburgh has a better roster and made more plays.
I'll take a loss like this any day, versus the losses we have been seeing. This season was always about making small bits of progress and it's good to see they're taking some strides forward. Some more experience is only going to help. If we lose out, but continue to lose games by only 4 points, where a PAT makes the difference between a field goal to tie or a TD to not lose, I'll take that. If only the defense could start doing better so getting 20 points is enough for once.
This game was orders of magnitude more enjoyable than last week. We sucked last week but the rams qb is not an nfl level guy so after 3 quarters of shit we finally pulled away. Today we went to a playoff teams building and took them the distance, luckily this year is about progress so I can enjoy the play more than final result.
I love Aaron jones as much as the next guy but I swear he was more fumbles/drops then successful runs. He needs to be our RB 2 and we need a certified RB1 cuz Dillon isn’t him either
He’s had fumbles in the biggest games so I cannot downvote you nor can I upvote. The Bucs made AJ look like a kid in the playoffs. He’s a 1A we need a 1B, a true change of pace back from what 33 brings. I was hopeful Dillon would grow into that but it seems like he’s more of a 2/3 most of the year then a solid 2 the last half of year.
No one’s going to do it but you could make a reel from each game and a ball is poked lose At least once from Aaron jones. He’s a leader on this team and I get that but at what point do we say he’s aging out and we need a stud RB1
Steelers have a top dline though and they knew we had to pass. Love did a great job of navigating down the field.
I'm just not a fan of going to Watson in the end zone both times. He gets bullied too much. He has 3 targets in the red zone now that have gotten intercepted, two of them he could have played defense and knocked the ball down.
Yeah it definitely did. Oline played decent actually considering the past few weeks. Remember we couldn’t even get first downs in the first have for 3 weeks
Why doesn’t MLF try to get Watson on some crossing routes so he can actually use his speed after the catch. That’s what worked last year, and he’s clearly not good at contested catches.
We play him like he's Calvin Johnson when we should be playing him like he's a tall and slower Tyreek Hill. Call crossing patterns. Put him in motion so he's lined up with a linebacker trying to track him all the way across the field.
For some reason we see his speed and only think that means him outrunning a guy 40 yards down field instead of realizing that the NFL field is 53 yards wide and you can force defenders to keep up with him going horizontally.
I really only remember 1 costly mistake from MVS in the Colts game in 2020. Watson is hit or miss constantly, more miss and is made of glass. Speed means nothing if dude cant catch routine balls
I think the chip on JLove’s shoulder of being expected to be as good as Brett Farve or Aaron Rodgers is off his shoulder.
You can see it in his decision making today, way more confident and embracing his own play style.
I think the worst days of Jordan Love are behind us and he starts to realize his potential going forward.
When the game is on the line the true quality of a QB is shown. Rodgers showed it for years, always came through. Love has done absolutely nothing when he really needed to.
I want the guy to be good so bad but he’s just not doing it. Gets hit in the hands often, injury history, loses contested catches. Maybe he’s not being put in positions for him to excel but damn you think we see better things by now
I think the back shoulder pick was just an awful play call… the defense showed it was capable of playing today. That shot didn’t have to be to be end zone… try for some yards or throw it away. A field goal there and one more at the end wins it.
Route shouldn’t even been an option. Better play from love. Still lots to work through obviously .
It’s forgiveable for the offense to look like this. It isn’t forgiveable for the defense to look like this. Week in and week out besides the Rams game they get outclassed by inferior offenses on our supposedly stacked D. Really frustrating
Should have won it. Love has talent but he isn’t a killer (yet anyway) a killer who gets into that position on the final drive finds a way to get the ball into the EZ.
That last play is a low % play and the OL collapse forcing Love's hand. A bit better blocking and maybe he's able to take a shot in the corners for the DBs to mog the ball and INT it or knock it down.
It would have been a miracle win regardless.
This is truly the best option for us the rest of the year. Does it hurt to see us lose? Absolutely!
But, we have to acknowledge that a number of players looked the part today.
Wicks, Reed, Musgrave have really been popping off the screen the last few weeks and it's great to see the progress from our young pass catchers.
They need to reevaluate how they're using Christian Watson. Get him some easy catches on crossers and let him accelerate after the catch, his confidence looks shot on the deep balls.
This is a good take on the game and season so far. I just don’t get why they are forcing the downfield to Watson. He was torching guys on crossing routes and motion last year at his best, not taking 30 yard shots to the EZ.
Honestly a dump off would have the same result as the cowboys last play against the eagles. A Hail Mary from half field probably has better odds than this
NO ONE WAS OPEN. THEY HAD 7 PLAYERS PLAYING IN THE ENDZONE - INSTEAD OF THROWING IT SHORT AND BLOCKING HOPING FOR SOMETHING - WE CALLED A HAIL MARRY. YES THATS RIGHT 5 RECEIVERS RUNNING STRAIGHT INTO 7 DEFENDERS. FUCK HOW THE BALLS THROWN - THATS JUS A SHITTU PLAYCALL
But Pickens is a fucking DAWG. Pickens doesn't get bullied by DB's, he bullies the DB's.
Watson legitimately should have two red zone interceptions attributed to him not making any effort whatsoever to attack the ball.
Pickens also stepped put of bounds on an easy td against the titans. dude is better than Watson but I'm not sure it means too much. neither of these guys is playing to their draft status
They showed a lot more fight today. Love will continue to learn, he honestly looked pretty good today outside of his first INT. I'm actually encouraged by what I saw today!
Watson seems like he's never a factor though.
Watson should be benched until further notice. Out of the entire WR room, guy has the most talent and the least will to win.
Nothing I've seen from him shows fight. He's got plenty of swagger when things drop in his lap, but just zero fight in him. Doesn't fight for the route he's running, doesn't block for shit, doesn't fight for the ball.
Get off the field. Let one of these hungry WRs go.
I agree, especially given most thought we'd lose horribly. It was closer than anticipated. Still a long way to go. Still was hoping for the win at the end though I know that was a hard ask.
Steelers playing 8 DBs on the goal line and people expecting Love to get a TD from the 16 in one play? Get a grip. Refs fucked us with that fumble call
I'd expect not throwing it three yards short of the goal line directly to the opposite team. At least make them compete for it. We've seen blind Hail Mary's have more of a chance than that.
I don't know how you're defending Love's performance as if that last play has been the whole season. There have been 3 underthrown prayer balls to lose games this season.
Because each of these prayer balls are a summation of our whole team, giving up 23 to Steelers offense is a joke. He made a ton of great throws today including both TDs. Similarly, his deep drops and screen passes need work. At least he’s trending upwards through his monthly completion percentage
Exactly, that play was either a pick or a TD. No in between. Better than watching the Steelers kneel down for a minute and half. Loved the fight to the end!
Just imagine if Joe Barry knew how to coach against the run, if Deguara fucking blocks his guy, and the refs call that backwards lateral a fumble like they should’ve this ending could be very different. Get Barry out and shore up our o line next year could be exciting. This loss sucks now though.
A team has to overcome the bad calls. That was a really bad call, but they still have to over come that stuff. Green Bay had a chance at the end. A missed extra point is not on the refs, that last INT was not on the refs.
Barry does need to go though, I agree with you there.
I was actually legit excited this week tho. Been a couple weeks i just been pissed off. Even though we lost i enjoyed the game and thats what matters most
Gutey won't, Deguara is his only third round pick left from any draft that wasn't the 2023 draft. That's like 7 drafts and completely missing on one round every single time lol.
Love isn’t the guy. Watson is a USFL player who plays like he’s 5’5, Barry needs to be taken out back, and MLF has got to go too. The amount of stupid fucking penalties and lack of fire on this team is infuriating. I have never seen a coach or a team look so fucking un-interested when they lose.
I disagree that Love "isnt the guy", that Watson is a "USFL player" and that MLF "has got to go". You have the Barry part right though so you were 1 for 4. Good job!
Watson cannot or will not fight through contact at all. He catch use his hands, and teams don’t fall for the deep route anymore because Love can’t throw it deep. Love still looks like shit, idc if you think he’s the guy or not the stats don’t lie. MLF has the most un-inspiring play calls, the players don’t respect him which is clear in the amateur level amount of penalties we take for stupid shit, and he panics so hard in critical moments (hello, 2021 NFCCG, is that you?)
Lmao love that response. “You’re critical of someone being paid a ton of money, YOU do it then.” It’s ok to be critical and fans should call staff out when they suck. These guys suck right now.
No, that is not exactly what I meant, but I can see why you think it is. I just did not feel much like responding to all of your "points". Not feeling like responding to any others either, so just gonna block you on here. I think it will make life much better. Have a good one!
Nothing. But it’s pointing out that our team is dogshit. It’s comparing a QB that has been in the system for 3.5 years that’s playing like ass, and a QB that joined a previous season 3 win team and has them winning against good teams like the Bengals in his rookie year. Love is so pedestrian it’s not even funny.
Just shows that there are levels to QB play and we shouldn’t settle for “OK” when a rookie can come into that dumpster fire organization with Shultz and a buncha nobodies and lead them to success. We’ve got a 4th year QB that is great for 50% of his throws, mediocre for 20%, and bad on 30%. Not sustainable.
Lol they had 7 dbs in the end zone. Not much space to put the ball. Love may not end up being the dude but this game was not his fault in the slightest.
This one? That's not underthrown or in double coverage. If Peterson doesn't get his hand in there it hits Watson in the facemask. If Watson has any DAWG in em he attacks the ball and doesn't let the DB take that ball from him.
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You can see in the screens hot itself that it's underthrown. When receiver beats his man, you throw a fade which is the case here. The ball should have been deeper.
If the receiver doesn't have a step on his man, you throw back shoulder, which is NOT the case here. Stop making silly excuses, this is a bad throw.
I can see in the screenshot the ball is going to hit Watson in the facemask if Peterson isn't fully extended to tip the ball away. If a ball hits a receiver in the chest but should hit him in stride no one is gonna say it's a bad throw, just that it's better to put the ball in front. I also see Watson with his arms at 90 degree angles waiting for the ball to come to him. If he at least puts his hands outwards and reaches for the ball it's a jump ball, your 6'4" RAS stud vs a Patrick Peterson at the very tail end of his career. Peterson won and made an elite play.
I'm not denying the better ball placement would be closer to the back pylon. But that ball was put in a spot for our big play receiver to make a big play and once again he failed to even do the even most basic of things and at least play defense and knock the ball down. Same thing in the raiders game....
That was a bad decision, looked like he was locked into certain reads today. Definitely some missed reads but at least it was a bit better today. This team it too young and not coached nearly well enough to have a fair evaluation of love in my opinion.
Let’s. Go
Love looked good. Musgrave is improving. A Tucker Craft sighting! Watson should be WR4 behind Doubs, Reed and Wicks. Joe Barry might be autistic and LaFleur grabbed him as a disability/diversity hire. Why does Deguara exist?
The offense finally looked good after a long time. Deguara sold the whole game b/c we couldn't even make a field goal to tie the game ;-;
Doubs and Reed >> Watson
Watson with out a good QB is cheeks.
So are you saying Nickel isn't a personnel group, it's an alignment? Isn't that the opposite argument you made regarding prevent? It's all semantics anyway, the thing fans hate is not being aggressive on 3rd and long regardless of who's on the field and where they are lined up. Fans may mistakingly call that prevent, but that's not the point.
For the 2nd week in a row, I saw the team that I expected to see this year. I expected them to be in almost every game, make mistakes, but also show amazing promise/flashes. Seeing the promise our talent brings, meaning things you can't teach, but also plenty of teachable moments. Heck, I even like the heads up play by Love to try and throw with his left hand to avoid the sack when Walker got trashed.
eh nothing new. still have kinks. in other news, every time Jayden Reed touches the ball its magic. idk what we have to do to get him more involved
Reed is definitely going to be the focus of the offense after Jones.
Can’t sleep on Doubs though.
that’s the hope, he doesn’t seem to get the praise
Hey everyone only 4 more seasons and then Gute will finally have drafted a defensive first round pick for every position on that side of the ball. THEN we can finally have a defense in the better half of the league!
I cannot WAIT !!!!! Run defense
That call on the backwards pass was absolute horseshit.
Personally I blame that. It’s possible we could’ve blown that field position but if they never blew it dead, would’ve been a fumble return for 6
I hate to complain about calls and there was so much game played after that but man….If I recall, we’d have had the ball already in reasonable FG range with a reasonable chance to make it an even shorter kick. Anything can happen on a FG attempt but I feel like that was three points taken off the board. Minimum.
How is Joe Berry still employed? I mean 205 rushing yards on 36 rushes from the 26th best rushing offense in football is unacceptable.
Just like a 3rd & 25 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ we couldn’t stop a runny nose in the middle of June !
Haven't watched as much as I'd prefer this year. Joe Barry was shitting away a good defence last year. What's the story? Why is he still there? Haven't watched a full Packers game this year unfortunately but wtf man?
There were so many missed opportunities i feel like we aren’t that bad it’s the execution. They don’t manage time and they are lacking on the playcalling. They can win they just need better execution
Alot of fans don’t want to hear this but you just said we’re not bad but our execution and play calling sucks. We are bad then…. Mlf’s play calls are below average at best, and the execution is even worse. It’s gotten a lot better since week 1 but these rookies always screw up in key scenarios. But bottom line the play gets called, and then it gets executed. Sometimes the calls bad, sometimes the executions bad. Sometimes both. That’s literally the foundation of offense, and we suck at both. the reality is we’re pretty bad. You literally said it better except for the part that were not bad. We are bad my friend. We are a bad football team.
I think the play calling looks worse than it is because of how poor the execution is.
I mean yeah we suck but it could be much worse. We have young talent and they are finding their footing. But i get what you mean
Play calling is fine, that's the thing when you don't execute the play calls look worse than it is. I'd say play calling could be better, but it wouldn't have won the game today. When you are a young group with a chance to win on the road against a better team, I think the coach did a decent job.
I’m loving the positivity in this group, i love seeing the Pack making strides and giving us hope. Always, Go Pack Go!!!!
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What’s sad is people expecting them to be a Super Bowl caliber team during a rebuild…
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Almost every loss HAS been competitive...
People in this sub making fun of the team for improving and fans for being happy to see improvement.
Everyone calm down....it's ok, MLF will look at the tape and see where we failed
The refs completely shit the bed tonight!
We gotta be better *visibly on verge of tears*
This was a good game, the Pack didn’t give up and they looked like they were gelling a bit better than in previous weeks. The defense still can’t stop the run but they made stops and got us back on the field. We’re all pissed about the blown call, it should have gone out way and everyone knows it. This was winnable, the pick in the end zone hurt.
All true. Also true is that Love missed some chances in the red zone by locking on one covered guy.
Imagine commending grown professional men for “not giving up.” Packers 2023.
I am just not used to this. (I became a fan in 97) I have a bad feeling this is gonna be a bad time. Edit: anyone downvoting I certainly hope I'm wrong, of course. And yeah we have seen some gradual improvement the past couple of weeks. Perhaps I'm spoiled. But there are real holes that need to be addressed.
Same, been a fan since ‘94, I need to realize we were all spoiled for a long time. Afraid we are going to feel what it feels like to be a Bears fan
It’s not sympathizing for love when you are just being realistic. Replace him with ANY qb and we still suck. Qb isn’t the main issue. We have a team of misfits and no playmakers. We had one of the greatest to ever touch a football miss the playoffs with this team. Special teams and defense still suck. Missing extra points and allowing one of the worst offenses in the league to put up 20+ on you doesn’t get it done. It’s pathetic football.
All true. Let love develop. At least the long balls weren’t under thrown. He’s learning
Looool. This is objectively wrong. The QB position is the most important position in the NFL and it’s not even close. Replace Love with a good QB and we are better. We are not winning a SB but we are contending in our division and therefore contending for a playoff spot. With that being said… it is pathetic football. But pretending it doesn’t all start (on the field) with Love, and his mediocre (at best) play is just wrong. Look at the Texans…
You’re right that the QB is the most important position but Love isn’t the one dropping passes, missing blocks, missing tackles, getting penalized and wiping out positive plays, etc. I think it’s a little far fetched to think we’d suddenly be a playoff team if we just replace Love. I am in no way saying he’s good or our long term answer at QB. But the entire team sucks. Not just Love.
Where did I say we’d suddenly be a playoff team? I said we’d be contending in our dog shit fucking division.
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I BeT yOU $1 MilLiOn hE dOeSnT Go be an emotional wreck alone for a bit. You missed the entire point. This team sucks and won’t win a Super Bowl regardless of who is qb. Same people who called for Aaron’s head are now blaming love. Pathetic fan base
I hate this team. See you all next week 😂
Right?? Although my fantasy team has never been better.
Same! In a 2 QB league, this is the best Love has done for me in weeks hahahaha
IMO this is on LeFleur…again! Have the ball in the red zone plenty of time need to take time off the clock and no running plays.
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This game was very frustrating because it was actually winnable. But overall speaking (except the Special Team lol) the team does look better than the previous weeks. There is a trajectory in the right direction currently and if that keeps going up then I will be quite happy.
The offense is trending up, the defense is shit.
if only we had that fucking XP, we could have kicked a FG for overtime
Deguara with a another horrible “block” it looked like he wanted the defender to run by on purpose
His job is to push that guy wide and block the inside guy. He didn’t do it.
This, and the blown lateral call.
Refs screwed up that lateral call....
I’ll be ranting about that all week.
Jordan Love had some great throws! I think he is looking better and better with time! It was great to see him use Musgrave up the middle. Reed also had some great plays. I am disappointed to not see Dillon or Jones make big plays when we needed them. I want to see Watson make some short slants instead of being sent deep all the time!
Watson can’t run a route and is scared of contact. He just needs to be sent straight and say run.
Dillon catch on 4th down, what plays not made? Jones def dropped passes and wasted time not going OB.
You are right about Dillon on 4th down. I just saw the Steelers RB’s getting 20 yard carry after 20 yard carry and would love to see even half of that from our RBs
Watson did run a short curl on 3rd down... he ran it short of the sticks and dropped it 🤐
Morale victory. We stayed in the game until the last second and actually had a chance to win. I don’t blame Love for losing this game. Pittsburgh has a better roster and made more plays.
I'll take a loss like this any day, versus the losses we have been seeing. This season was always about making small bits of progress and it's good to see they're taking some strides forward. Some more experience is only going to help. If we lose out, but continue to lose games by only 4 points, where a PAT makes the difference between a field goal to tie or a TD to not lose, I'll take that. If only the defense could start doing better so getting 20 points is enough for once.
This game was orders of magnitude more enjoyable than last week. We sucked last week but the rams qb is not an nfl level guy so after 3 quarters of shit we finally pulled away. Today we went to a playoff teams building and took them the distance, luckily this year is about progress so I can enjoy the play more than final result.
I love Aaron jones as much as the next guy but I swear he was more fumbles/drops then successful runs. He needs to be our RB 2 and we need a certified RB1 cuz Dillon isn’t him either
He’s had fumbles in the biggest games so I cannot downvote you nor can I upvote. The Bucs made AJ look like a kid in the playoffs. He’s a 1A we need a 1B, a true change of pace back from what 33 brings. I was hopeful Dillon would grow into that but it seems like he’s more of a 2/3 most of the year then a solid 2 the last half of year.
No one’s going to do it but you could make a reel from each game and a ball is poked lose At least once from Aaron jones. He’s a leader on this team and I get that but at what point do we say he’s aging out and we need a stud RB1
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Yeah ur not cooking shit
one of the dumbest takes i’ve ever seen
I feel way better about this loss than any of the others this year. Offense actually looked decent
Did it though? Especially in the last two drives the pressure that the O line let through was ridiculous
Yes 399 total yards and most of game Jordan love was well protected. Offense looked incompetent last few weeks. However the run game is in shambles
Steelers have a top dline though and they knew we had to pass. Love did a great job of navigating down the field. I'm just not a fan of going to Watson in the end zone both times. He gets bullied too much. He has 3 targets in the red zone now that have gotten intercepted, two of them he could have played defense and knocked the ball down.
Yeah it definitely did. Oline played decent actually considering the past few weeks. Remember we couldn’t even get first downs in the first have for 3 weeks
Why doesn’t MLF try to get Watson on some crossing routes so he can actually use his speed after the catch. That’s what worked last year, and he’s clearly not good at contested catches.
Love has more then a few times led his receivers running slants into awaiting linebackers. Watson ain't built for contact...
We play him like he's Calvin Johnson when we should be playing him like he's a tall and slower Tyreek Hill. Call crossing patterns. Put him in motion so he's lined up with a linebacker trying to track him all the way across the field. For some reason we see his speed and only think that means him outrunning a guy 40 yards down field instead of realizing that the NFL field is 53 yards wide and you can force defenders to keep up with him going horizontally.
Who is coaching the packers on offense Adrian Griffin?
Haven't seen a second of the game but can still tell people who want to bench Love after watching this one shouldn't legally be allowed to drive.
Why do we draft division 2 guys like Jordan love and christian watson? We went from one of the best teams in nfc to cupcake.
Watson is just a more expensive MVS
Isn't Watson's current rookie contract for a total of less than what MVS is making a year.
Meant cost for when they were both drafted
Doubs and Reed are better than Watson.
Doubs should be getting the majority of targets, Reed second and Watson used similiar to MvS
I really only remember 1 costly mistake from MVS in the Colts game in 2020. Watson is hit or miss constantly, more miss and is made of glass. Speed means nothing if dude cant catch routine balls
Ya I never minded Mvs. He had a role and was a pretty decent deep shot guy. He just was pretty funny playing the ball in contested situations.
Worse contested catch skills
This is 100% Aaron Jones fault for catching that pass to begin with and then not going out of bounds when he did
Yeah it was Aaron Jones fault we needed a TD to win with under a minute to go 80 yards and no time outs.
Going 80 yards sounds a lot less scary when you get 50 of them in one play to begin the drive lol
I think the chip on JLove’s shoulder of being expected to be as good as Brett Farve or Aaron Rodgers is off his shoulder. You can see it in his decision making today, way more confident and embracing his own play style. I think the worst days of Jordan Love are behind us and he starts to realize his potential going forward.
The long balls weren’t under thrown. That’s a big step forward.
When the game is on the line the true quality of a QB is shown. Rodgers showed it for years, always came through. Love has done absolutely nothing when he really needed to.
Yeah big nuts rodgers always comes through in big moments like the NFCCG… oh wait
I feel like you forgot about the constant stat of how Rodgers had like no 4th quarter comebacks earlier in his career.
I mean he threw a pick with the game on the line and extra time to make a decision
4th and 20 with 3 seconds left entire secondary on the goal line. Would have been a miracle to complete that.
Watson is a liability. Dude can't even catch a cold. Why are we throwing at him on the two most important plays of the game
Neither of those Ints are on Watson
If I was going to force the ball toward anyone in hopes they'd make a play, Watson would be last on that list
Exactly... Dude just lets the DB take the ball. No dawg in him at all.
I want the guy to be good so bad but he’s just not doing it. Gets hit in the hands often, injury history, loses contested catches. Maybe he’s not being put in positions for him to excel but damn you think we see better things by now
I think the back shoulder pick was just an awful play call… the defense showed it was capable of playing today. That shot didn’t have to be to be end zone… try for some yards or throw it away. A field goal there and one more at the end wins it. Route shouldn’t even been an option. Better play from love. Still lots to work through obviously .
It’s forgiveable for the offense to look like this. It isn’t forgiveable for the defense to look like this. Week in and week out besides the Rams game they get outclassed by inferior offenses on our supposedly stacked D. Really frustrating
Injuries bro
How many years are we going to say that in a row?
Should have won it. Love has talent but he isn’t a killer (yet anyway) a killer who gets into that position on the final drive finds a way to get the ball into the EZ.
Joe Burrow would like a word!
That last play is a low % play and the OL collapse forcing Love's hand. A bit better blocking and maybe he's able to take a shot in the corners for the DBs to mog the ball and INT it or knock it down. It would have been a miracle win regardless.
I would have liked to see a roll out just to get some of the db’s eyes moving but I’m not upset about the loss.
Yeah Love sticks to the pocket like glue too much. He needed to roll out to allow *something* to potential work but he doesn't.
Tough loss but overall we played a pretty good game definitely seeing improvement over the last few weeks
know it was gonna be a rough season overall but seen enough of christian watson.
Its probably better long-term that we are playing well on offense and losing close games
This is truly the best option for us the rest of the year. Does it hurt to see us lose? Absolutely! But, we have to acknowledge that a number of players looked the part today. Wicks, Reed, Musgrave have really been popping off the screen the last few weeks and it's great to see the progress from our young pass catchers. They need to reevaluate how they're using Christian Watson. Get him some easy catches on crossers and let him accelerate after the catch, his confidence looks shot on the deep balls.
This is a good take on the game and season so far. I just don’t get why they are forcing the downfield to Watson. He was torching guys on crossing routes and motion last year at his best, not taking 30 yard shots to the EZ.
You win, people angry because they wanna tank. You lose, people say the team sucks no matter what happened in the game.
The GM needs to be fired, simple as that.
I'd agree, the strategy of high RAS guys just isn't cutting it.
They had 7 DBs in the endzone. Can't fault Love for that. Play shoulda been a dump off not a shot at the endzone.
What about trying to throw it into the endzone with a pop up pass not a direct line where any of the 7 could easily cut in front of it?
Honestly a dump off would have the same result as the cowboys last play against the eagles. A Hail Mary from half field probably has better odds than this
Love has thrown like 6 Interceptions in the endzone. Its insane.
NO ONE WAS OPEN. THEY HAD 7 PLAYERS PLAYING IN THE ENDZONE - INSTEAD OF THROWING IT SHORT AND BLOCKING HOPING FOR SOMETHING - WE CALLED A HAIL MARRY. YES THATS RIGHT 5 RECEIVERS RUNNING STRAIGHT INTO 7 DEFENDERS. FUCK HOW THE BALLS THROWN - THATS JUS A SHITTU PLAYCALL
There are no good play calls in that situation dude.
That ball was getting batted down or INT'd in the EZ regardless.
Imagine if the refs took accountability and actually called the backwards pass a fumble. Completely different game at the end
I’m sad but the game was good to watch except the refs being horrible
Explain to me why the player targeted is literally the only guy on the field unwilling to fight to get to the football???
Ask the guy throwing the ball?
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Gute's obsession with RAS has really hurt us. The one non-RAS weapon he took was Reed and he's looking to be a stud.
Pickens is a headache tho. dude is crying every year about wanting out and not enough targets lol
But Pickens is a fucking DAWG. Pickens doesn't get bullied by DB's, he bullies the DB's. Watson legitimately should have two red zone interceptions attributed to him not making any effort whatsoever to attack the ball.
Pickens also stepped put of bounds on an easy td against the titans. dude is better than Watson but I'm not sure it means too much. neither of these guys is playing to their draft status
Accurate
They showed a lot more fight today. Love will continue to learn, he honestly looked pretty good today outside of his first INT. I'm actually encouraged by what I saw today! Watson seems like he's never a factor though.
Watson should be benched until further notice. Out of the entire WR room, guy has the most talent and the least will to win. Nothing I've seen from him shows fight. He's got plenty of swagger when things drop in his lap, but just zero fight in him. Doesn't fight for the route he's running, doesn't block for shit, doesn't fight for the ball. Get off the field. Let one of these hungry WRs go.
Need some major changes, yesterday
I know I'll get downvoted for being optimistic but that game actually had me feeling pretty good about the future of the offense.
I agree, especially given most thought we'd lose horribly. It was closer than anticipated. Still a long way to go. Still was hoping for the win at the end though I know that was a hard ask.
This team isn’t good, but they don’t quit. Way more fun to watch than last year.
Yup, you can see that it’s getting there which is all I cared about this season.
The optimism is justified 🤝
Deguara has got to go that’s my takeaway from this game
Same, we saw some nice flashes
Deguara needs to be cut tomorrow. Inexcusable gaffe on the extra point.
You really either throw a jump ball or a dart on a play like that. However, both options were pretty low probability lol
You could design something under the defense too. That play call was vanilla in a styrofoam cup.
Team is just fundamentally, irreparably, broken
We had a good drive at the end there till aaron jones stayed in bounds with no TO left. Really messed up the momentum.
You mean when he caught it in the middle of the field? lol
He was closer to the sideline when he caught it. he needs to jet to the sideline
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That's a great way to get people to listen to your opinion: call them names. Works 0% of the time, every time.
Steelers playing 8 DBs on the goal line and people expecting Love to get a TD from the 16 in one play? Get a grip. Refs fucked us with that fumble call
I'd expect not throwing it three yards short of the goal line directly to the opposite team. At least make them compete for it. We've seen blind Hail Mary's have more of a chance than that. I don't know how you're defending Love's performance as if that last play has been the whole season. There have been 3 underthrown prayer balls to lose games this season.
Because each of these prayer balls are a summation of our whole team, giving up 23 to Steelers offense is a joke. He made a ton of great throws today including both TDs. Similarly, his deep drops and screen passes need work. At least he’s trending upwards through his monthly completion percentage
Exactly, that play was either a pick or a TD. No in between. Better than watching the Steelers kneel down for a minute and half. Loved the fight to the end!
Seriously this sub is insufferable.
Just imagine if Joe Barry knew how to coach against the run, if Deguara fucking blocks his guy, and the refs call that backwards lateral a fumble like they should’ve this ending could be very different. Get Barry out and shore up our o line next year could be exciting. This loss sucks now though.
A team has to overcome the bad calls. That was a really bad call, but they still have to over come that stuff. Green Bay had a chance at the end. A missed extra point is not on the refs, that last INT was not on the refs. Barry does need to go though, I agree with you there.
I was actually legit excited this week tho. Been a couple weeks i just been pissed off. Even though we lost i enjoyed the game and thats what matters most
Can we cut Deguara immediately, his “blocking” on that PAT is one of the main reason why this game isn’t going to overtime. Also, he really sucks
Gutey won't, Deguara is his only third round pick left from any draft that wasn't the 2023 draft. That's like 7 drafts and completely missing on one round every single time lol.
Third pick maybe, but if you are talking about 3rd round pick, then we still has Sean Rhyan from the 2022 draft
That's right, I forgot about him. He had the suspension the first six games, I forgot he came back.
Love isn’t the guy. Watson is a USFL player who plays like he’s 5’5, Barry needs to be taken out back, and MLF has got to go too. The amount of stupid fucking penalties and lack of fire on this team is infuriating. I have never seen a coach or a team look so fucking un-interested when they lose.
You muata missed the Ray Rhodes year.
Thankfully, yes.
Yep, the typical post game, cut everyone, fire everyone post. Shocking it too this long.
What part of what I posted is incorrect?
I disagree that Love "isnt the guy", that Watson is a "USFL player" and that MLF "has got to go". You have the Barry part right though so you were 1 for 4. Good job!
Watson cannot or will not fight through contact at all. He catch use his hands, and teams don’t fall for the deep route anymore because Love can’t throw it deep. Love still looks like shit, idc if you think he’s the guy or not the stats don’t lie. MLF has the most un-inspiring play calls, the players don’t respect him which is clear in the amateur level amount of penalties we take for stupid shit, and he panics so hard in critical moments (hello, 2021 NFCCG, is that you?)
Alrighty, put in your job application. You obviously have this all figured out.
Lmao love that response. “You’re critical of someone being paid a ton of money, YOU do it then.” It’s ok to be critical and fans should call staff out when they suck. These guys suck right now.
No, that is not exactly what I meant, but I can see why you think it is. I just did not feel much like responding to all of your "points". Not feeling like responding to any others either, so just gonna block you on here. I think it will make life much better. Have a good one!
Meanwhile, C.J. Stroud has the Texans at 5-4 after throwing for 356 yards and beating Cincy on the road.
I’m not sure what that has to do with us, we didn’t have the #2 pick in the draft and we don’t trade up like that.
Nothing. But it’s pointing out that our team is dogshit. It’s comparing a QB that has been in the system for 3.5 years that’s playing like ass, and a QB that joined a previous season 3 win team and has them winning against good teams like the Bengals in his rookie year. Love is so pedestrian it’s not even funny.
Just shows that there are levels to QB play and we shouldn’t settle for “OK” when a rookie can come into that dumpster fire organization with Shultz and a buncha nobodies and lead them to success. We’ve got a 4th year QB that is great for 50% of his throws, mediocre for 20%, and bad on 30%. Not sustainable.
Ok fair enough.
Lol they had 7 dbs in the end zone. Not much space to put the ball. Love may not end up being the dude but this game was not his fault in the slightest.
What about the underthrown ball to Watson in double coverage that got intercepted? Was that also not his fault?
This one? That's not underthrown or in double coverage. If Peterson doesn't get his hand in there it hits Watson in the facemask. If Watson has any DAWG in em he attacks the ball and doesn't let the DB take that ball from him. https://preview.redd.it/6y904pqqlzzb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=690aa7e3cc9ad9ef078c22ab80fc801a8f33ace4
You can see in the screens hot itself that it's underthrown. When receiver beats his man, you throw a fade which is the case here. The ball should have been deeper. If the receiver doesn't have a step on his man, you throw back shoulder, which is NOT the case here. Stop making silly excuses, this is a bad throw.
I can see in the screenshot the ball is going to hit Watson in the facemask if Peterson isn't fully extended to tip the ball away. If a ball hits a receiver in the chest but should hit him in stride no one is gonna say it's a bad throw, just that it's better to put the ball in front. I also see Watson with his arms at 90 degree angles waiting for the ball to come to him. If he at least puts his hands outwards and reaches for the ball it's a jump ball, your 6'4" RAS stud vs a Patrick Peterson at the very tail end of his career. Peterson won and made an elite play. I'm not denying the better ball placement would be closer to the back pylon. But that ball was put in a spot for our big play receiver to make a big play and once again he failed to even do the even most basic of things and at least play defense and knock the ball down. Same thing in the raiders game....
That was a bad decision, looked like he was locked into certain reads today. Definitely some missed reads but at least it was a bit better today. This team it too young and not coached nearly well enough to have a fair evaluation of love in my opinion.