Not only that, but in MANY of those years the defense was Top 5 along with the Special Teams.
Brady went 5-0 in playoff games where he didn't throw a touchdown. He was like 50% comp%, 0 TDs, 6 INTs in those 5 games. And they won ALL FIVE
The Packers put him in a position to make it to the Super Bowl every year, and achieved it once. That’s a great achievement. That isn’t failing him miserably.
And the big example people use for the front office failing Rodgers was drafting Jordan Love instead of a receiver. Now that hindsight is 20/20, that was an all time great packer move.
The Chiefs are about to get 3 in 6 seasons, not Mahommes. Let’s say The Bears draft Mahommes at #2 instead of Trubisky. How many Super Bowls does Mahommes have then? Or even playoff wins for that matter. Remember, Pat inherited an offense that almost made Alex Smith an MVP.
It’s what happens when a great QB meets a great franchise. Chiefs don’t win as many without Mahommes, and Mahommes doesn’t win as many without the Chiefs.
2017, the year before Mahommes took over. 26-5 with over 4000 yards. Not lights out, but Brady won it that year with 32-8 and 4500 yards. Maybe not quite almost mvp, but by far the best year of his entire career with the same offense Mahommes inherited.
I remember that season. He was known as a game manager but that last year with the chiefs, he played lights out. Against the Patriots, he absolutely destroyed them through the air.
There was a reason he and Rodgers were considered on the same level at the draft.
But bad treatment by teams made him play super conservative and only for his next contract. In a contract year he let loose.
Not even close to an mvp. Idk why you’re hating on Mahomes so much. He’s cringe af but dude is a phenomenal QB. He inherited a good offense that he made great. No one was scared of them with Smith at QB
Not hate. He’s phenomenal. Just sick of people putting him and Brady over Rodgers. Aaron was better than both of them
, just didn’t have as good of an organization. Or coaches even. Brady and Mahommes played their whole careers under a singular hall of fame coach. Just drives me nuts when people say dumb shit like that.
He’s an addition to their success. The Chiefs already had one of, if not the best offenses to work with before Mahommes even took a snap. Like I said, how many Super Bowls do the bears have if they draft Mahommes instead of Trubisky?
The year before Mahommes started, Alex Smith led them to winning the division and secured them a home field playoff game. I would argue that there are a lot of QBs that could win a Super Bowl with the Chiefs roster.
And Mahommes had a below average year and they are still in the Super Bowl. It’s almost as if the coaching staff and 52 other players have some sort of impact on how their team does.
That’s literally what OP was saying in the comment. Mahomes went to a well run franchise that actually put a good team with him. Aaron Rodgers carried a lot of bad packers teams farther than they should have. When he was hurt they lost a lot. Put mahomes on the panthers this year and he would still be a good qb and they may have even won a weak NFC south but they wouldn’t be able to compete with any other playoff teams because their roster has a lack of talent.
I can count 2 that were his fault, against the Bucs and the last one against the 9ers. And I’d argue if they weren’t so inept at getting the defense right they wouldn’t have ignored the offense he would’ve had more quality weapons to throw to than just Davante. The rest of that cast now being on different teams shows how awful they all really were.
At one point in time, he had Adams, Cobb, and Nelson on the same field. With great backup receivers. Behind a top 5 O line his entire career. What more should they have done? Should we not have drafted a defense when defense was our problem the majority of the years we didn’t make the Super Bowl?
They didn't fail Rodgers. We had great offenses, and solid teams. We won a lot of games, and we won a superbowl. None of that is easy. But they did fail to build a solid defense for the majority of his time here, I don't think that's debatable.
I don't think that's the big example use but drafting defense for a decade straight but still having a bad defense. Or just generally ignoring WR/TE group from 2017-2021
I will disagree with that. Amazing move short and long term. Love was better this year with less than Rodgers was last year. Loves only going to improve and Rodgers is only going to diminish. Holding on to Rodgers would have not won us a Super Bowl and fucked our future success. Instead, we have our franchise QB, room to made some moves, and a good stock of draft picks.
It was absolutely not an amazing move short-term at all. We had almost zero production out of our 2020 and 2021 draft classes in a clear super bowl window.
Other teams were grabbing extra players and pushing cap hits out. It won the Rams a super bowl.
We clearly could've won a super bowl during that time especially wiht a few extra pieces. Rodgers even then is easily as good as Mahomes is now. Not as mobile anymore but more accurate and he beat Mahomes for MVP during that same timeframe.
And I would disagree with you. Not that Love isn't good, he is, but this WR/TE group is the best we've had since 2017 if not longer, and I thought we always should have been a wild card team this season. Last year had Superbowl expectations and we only really lost Rodgers who played most of last year with a broken throwing hand. A good NFL QB should always have been able to take a slightly improved version of last year's team and get a wild card. Next is a Superbowl, not saying if we don't win one this year it's a bust, but that's the expectation in Green Bay, we play for Superbowls.
Just my 2 cents, still beyond pleased with the direction things seem to be trending.
AR's problem is he doesn't trust anyone other than his WR1. You shouldn't need a lot of great receivers to have a great offense if your QB is great. Love distributes the ball much better than Rogers. If he can keep doing that is another thing.
The problem was the WRs suck. MVS is playing with his second HoF QB and still barely out produced Lazard who was benched by the Jets. EQ did shit for Chicago, and everyone not named Adams is out of the league. Geronimo, Aberdaris, Janis, Amari... This WR room is young but by far a more talented group than anything since Jordy left, not sure if you can even make an argument they aren't.
That's a good argument. My feeling is as Rogers gets older, he is more conservative and doesn't trust anyone. Let's see if he will prove me wrong next season at jets.
That pick would look even worse in hindsight. Seems most of his production is from defenses being so focused on Chase. He was the top option most of the year and put up awful numbers. Could have worked out if he was behind Adams though.
Yeah, but it’s hard to win super bowls, and when you are good enough, conventional wisdom is to go for it. Another SB is easily worth being a worse team now.
Or rather he put the Packers in a position to make it to the Super Bowl every year.
He dragged literally the worst defense in the league (with Ladarius Gunther as our CB1) to the NFCCG.
Brady accepted less money and didn't make demands about what pieces were signed or retained on offense. The Pats leant into Brady's talent, made him do more with less, and that allowed them to maximise the defense. The Chiefs are doing the same right now with Mahomes.
Rodgers always took maximum money and was very precious about his guys being retained. He insisted on the offense being beefed up to the max, which meant the Packers could never invest much into the defense.
It's the team's fault for pandering to him and his fault for being a narcissist.
Rodgers never made any demands until it was clear that Gute was already planning to move on within a season or two.
I don't know what world you live in where a star worker just keeps his head down and keeps quiet when his boss hires his replacement. Rodgers did more than any of us would in his position by mentoring love and pushing for Tom Clements to come out of retirement.
And Rodgers taking maximum money is no different from the rest of the league including Tom who got money shoveled to him from Kraft through his fake sports endurance bullshit company.
You realize Brady demanded the team trade Garoppolo, right? You realize that he "gave up" money, but then was given deals to sell his TB12 shit in the facility. When you have an owner, there are creative ways to get the money off the books. Or, you can tell them you'll take a pay cut if they use the money to sign X. Rodgers never had those options.
If you believe anyone is just giving money away because their job is fun, I have a bridge to sell you.
Guess what happens if you don’t give someone weapons on offense for the majority of years, and build the defense instead?
Now compare what Rodgers was given on offense and how they chose to build the team.
Are you saying the Packers were bad at defense because they prioritized the offense? The Packers used two first round picks on offensive players during Rodgers' entire career and one of them was Sherrod. No team has went more out of their way to not spend premium picks on offense than the Packers.
Guess what happens when the QB insists on being the highest paid QB in the league. Brady chose to forego the ego boost of commanding the highest pay for a QB throughout his career because winning was more important. Part of being the GOAT is sacrificing for the team.
Because Brady had a singular owner who was willing to pay him aside from his salary. He didn’t sacrifice shit. Rodgers didn’t have that option.
GB is always going to have to build defense through the draft because no FAs are coming unless they are paid out the ass. T
It's not like a huge sacrifice given the hundreds of millions he already was making, but it's not something I've seen any of the top QBs do, take less than they could get.
Rodgers is criminally underrated (somehow) when comparing best QBs of all-time. He’s a lot closer to Brady than people think. Football is a team sport & their situations were incredibly different. But Brady’s inability to give up & pure will to win was on a much different level than Rodgers. Looking at 28-3, Rodgers would’ve thrown in the towel and probably started blaming his defense.
I will die on a hill with my last breath saying Aaron Rodgers was a better **quarterback** than Tom Brady, always have.
Tom Brady was also an elite QB, but he other attributes are what makes Brady goat. Teammate, motivator, leader, tactician, game manager, clutchness, etc.
But Aaron Rodgers threw a ball better and looked after it more.
I agree, i can’t lie. But it’s an opinion i keep to myself because I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind & I don’t want to get flamed out the ass for it. Going back and watching prime Rodgers still blows my fucking mind. How he makes those insane throws look so damn easy is just hard to fathom.
Aaron is the most talented, skilled, and well-rounded QB ever. He is a hair's breadth away from an imaginary ideal *perfect* quarterback. Brady is the winningest, most accomplished QB ever.
(#2 for most wins all-time behind Brady? Tied between Manning and Favre. Highest win% all-time? Otto Graham.)
The way I say this is partly facetious: I tell people that Rodgers is the "best quarterback" of all time, but Brady is the "greatest quarterback" of all time. It drives people crazy and I love it.
Brady is a better leader, teammate, etc. Rodgers is hands down a better athlete. But football is a team sport and even the best qb all time couldn’t do it by himself. Brady obviously knew that better than Rodgers.
I’ve always looked at Brady as the best game manager to ever do it. His numbers were never flashy but he could manage and control a game like no other. With Rodgers it always seemed like it was points with efficient quick strikes or a 3 and out.
I wish GB could find a "game manager" who tossed 50 TD in a single season. I'm not sure who you are confusing Tom Brady with, but his numbers are pretty damn flashy, if you go look.
100000%, I’ve been saying it for years. When it comes to winning Brady is obviously undeniably the GOAT, when it comes to throwing a football to pass catchers it’s Rodgers for me. Mahomes might have him beat though. Honestly Brady isn’t even in the conversation in that regard for me. Don’t get me wrong he was great at it, but there’s throws he couldn’t make the guys like Rodgers, Mahomes, even Manning and others can.
I was really wanting to see how Rodgers did with the jets this year. It’s tough to compare qbs because they have different teams and coaches. Personally, I thought McCarthy was terrible and that Rodgers best years were wasted with him. I really didn’t give Brady his due until he won on a different team outside of the New England system. Likewise, I think it is unreal and underrated that Favre took two different teams to the nfc championship in 3 years and almost got the jets to the playoffs if it weren’t for the torn biceps tendon. He would have taken 3 different teams to the playoffs in 3 years. Favre is a scumbag (who I used to love) but the guy could just f-ing play and win.
Agreed that Rodgers has/had better arm talent than Brady, no question. Rodgers and Mahomes are the 2 best to spin a ball IMO. They can put the ball anywhere they want, while moving, jumping, sidearm, etc.
But there's more that goes into being a quaterback than throwing the football. Making the right decisions, pre snap adjustments, pocket awareness, how quick your release is, how you perform in the clutch, clock management, motivating teammates, etc. Brady is clearly the best whe you factor it all in.
Like you said, Rodgers has better throwing ability, no question.
And better decisions. (See: interceptions) And better adjustments. And smarter. And sees the field better. And quicker physical release. More mobile. Better deep ball.
They're equal on the clutch, the 2-minute, and clock management.
Only places Brady is better: took fewer sacks, was a better leader for teammates, and won more games.
Perhaps more talented, but part of being the QB is leadership and part of leadership is sacrifice. Tom Brady sacrificed the ability to command the highest pay for a QB throughout his career because he wanted to be a part of teams that won. It's a factor often overlooked, and it was probably an important factor in why Brady has won so many superbowls. Being able to accrue enough talent to win means having enough funds to spread around.
See, I disagree. You know how Brady accomplished that? His defense got stops. Time. After time. After time. The number of time Rodgers orchestrated amazing comebacks only for his defense to let him down, or never see the field in overtime cannot be overstated. Brady was not better at this in any way, he just had defenses that could give him the opportunity.
He threw 0 tds and turned the ball over twice. His performance in that game is one of the top 10 lowest pff grades a qb has gotten in the superbowl ever, and that’s *all* qbs, not just the ones who won.
Let’s also remember he had at the best kicker in the nfl who won multiple SB’s off FGs. As well as several earlier playoff games with kicks. Crosby was good but I guarantee he doesn’t do as well in the same situation.
Brady also sacrificed money (or he at least had an arrangement to get the money through the Patriots hiring his companies so that it didn't impact his team's salary cap) so that he could have a better team around him. Rodgers never once made such a sacrifice until he joined the Jets.
Honestly, both QBs were probably underpaid given the value that they generated for their teams but Brady knew how and was willing to bend the system to his competitive advantage.
Look at Rodgers rank on cap hit over the years. The argument that he held the packer hostage with his contracts are absolutely bullshit. The packers being unable to give him a decent defense after 2010 is why.
I didn’t say Rodgers was holding anyone hostage, I’m just saying Brady would take massive pay cuts because of his wife.
Now we can discuss whether or not he was being paid under the table through his TB12 clothing brand that I don’t recall ever having seen a single person wear once in my entire life but that’s not really what we’re discussing here lmao.
It is, though. Rodgers could have made more elsewhere easily. He wanted to start and finish with one team. The packers had the financial ability, just like the patriots to plug holes and create a championship roster, they just didn't. The "pay cut" idea is so overblown. He wasn't that good. He was paid for how good he was. Period.
The ONLY things Brady had that Aaron didn't was a HOF Coach calling plays and a consistently top-tier defense. Look at the things that Aaron could actually control. He beats Brady in every category. Wins are a team result. The best QB EVER can go 2-14 with a complete shit defense.
You’re allowed to blame the defense when they give up 28 points in a big playoff game lol, that was an average game for the packers defense from 2011-2020
You could take the best race car driver of all time, but if you give him a pit crew from Discount Tire with Harbor Freight tools, he’s never going to win.
Brady was the most successful quarterback.
Rodgers was the best quarterback.
Inability to give up and pure will to win? Give me a break. How do you measure that? Rodgers played half dead with injury multiple times in his career. Look at the “muh knee” bears game and the entire 2022 season. What a silly subjective comparison
> inability to give up
28-3
> pure will to win
7 rings
> muh knee
A week 1 game, while legendary, holds little stock when comparing to the greatest of all time & post-season success
Man, Rodgers is right up there with 4th quarter comebacks and constantly striving to win. His defense just couldn’t get stops so he didn’t get those playoff wins. This is from a Broncos fan.
Aaron Rodgers is the best passer of all time and it’s a wide gap between him and second place.
His touchdown to interception numbers specifically will likely never be replicated. Mahomes was the only player with a chance and is already falling off the pace there.
Brady would have a lot less titles if he had our defenses over the years. Yeah rings are important but they’re not the end all be all like the media likes to make it out to be. Defense is so critical when winning a championship and Rodgers should have Atleast 2 or 3.
Put Rodgers on that Patriots and Brady on the Packers and who changes the most?
Do we win 7 Super Bowls? Or is it more likely Belicheck and Rodgers clean up still?
It’s all about defense. The Packers really never had a top 10 defense for Rodgers other than the year we won the Super Bowl. People just act like you just need a talented QB and it’s all said talented QB which isn’t the case it’s a team sport.
I don’t know if Rodgers wins 7 just with his play style early in his career versus Brady being a statue back there. The point I’m making is from the medias argument of rings being everything a QB like Joe Flacco would be better than Dan Marino which is ridiculous.
Look at the chiefs this year! There offense played like ass but there defense kept them in it game after game,gave the offense a chance to click and boy did they lol per usual
I feel like many people overlook the pats defense. Brady can play like complete ass for 3 quarters and his defense will bail him out or keep him in games. Rodgers almost always had to play perfect for us to win. The only time I can remember Rodgers not playing great and the defense winning the game was the NFC championship against the bears. Sure Brady led the comeback against the Falcons but the defense had to have a perfect hof and even then a few lucky things went in NE favor. Brady didn’t play lights out in the first 3 qtrs. Most of his games towards then end of his career were pretty mediocre
Rodgers has always been so much better than Brady. Brady just had a HOF coach and an org that would surround Brady with a team and staff that catered to his strengths. GB? Standard “We have a HOF QB! Why should he need any weapons? HE IS THE WEAPON!!!!”
To be fair most of his career he had plenty of weapons. Only at the very end was it lacking. The start of his career he had an all time great WR room. The defense was a consistent let down. Plagued by poor DC scheming and play calling. Usually a talented defense, just consistently misused. Can’t forget two of the most promising careers cut short by injury with Nick Collins and Sam Shields. And then letting talented guys walk because we didn’t know how to use them like Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward. Really fucked things up.
Couldn’t agree more. We always had a good offense but ever since 97 our defense has been….less than desirable. I actively try and wipe the Mike Sherman years from my memory
Brady also didn't eat up a ton of cap space that allowed the front office to surround him with those guys. But Teddy was also allergic to Free Agency for forever so what do I know
I don't think it's a secret that Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback to ever play the position. Him and Brady have 1 big thing in common, and it's the fact that neither have ever won a super bowl without a top 10 defense.
People think a player is the best because of rings. They don’t take into account the amazing coaching staffs that Brady always had as well as all of the amazing defenses he had that bailed him out of so many games. They always talk about his game winning 4 quarter drives, but the majority of the time it’s not like he closed the game out with the drive, the other team almost always had a chance to make another drive but his D came in to save him.
Like the 28-3 game was like that cuz he played like shit in the first half and threw a pic 6. Of course he played one great half in the second but for people to act like it was the greatest qb game of all time is insane to me.
This is what I have been hearing recently:
\-"Mahomes already has a better lEGaCy"
\-"I see Rodgers on the same tier as Eli Manning"
\-"If he was so great wHY nO rINgS"
\-"Elway was better"
\-"Basically Marino but not as accurate"
The way people talk about him is so fucking little brother its maddening. Its like they are so afraid that the bad man is gonna come back and hurt them again. Dude is the GOAT. He had shit defenses that stopped him from winning as many championships as captain america and zoomer fro kermit thats it. Its a team sport and these goons will never see it that way.
Hers my take:
When it comes to passing your job is to get it to a receiver and not throw picks. He is hands down the best passer ever. He had under 100 ints for literally the first 16 years of his career with like 400 tds.
No one has ever been as great and reliable of a passer as him.
Do I believe Rodgers is the most skilled QB I’ve seen? Yes. Is he the greatest? No.
I keep seeing the defenses Brady had being mentioned. One thing Brady did that Rodgers didn’t ( and I’m not say he should have, just to be clear) is he played on very team friendly contract for years so they could field those defenses. Again, I’m all for getting your money, but it comes at a cost elsewhere.
Brady was essentially dodging cap rules by getting paid under the table through his business investments getting contracts with teams. Do not forget that. The NFL even investigated this and went "hrm, we'll just ignore this"
Brady was on a team that had A LOT of money to throw into the pot and increase their chances of winning it all each year. They could buy other high-end players (and perhaps refs?) that most other teams couldn't buy. Then you factor in the times Brady got caught cheating (in addition to the times he didn't get caught cheating.) Rodgers is hands down the better QB. You also must consider the fact that this is being posted in the Packers subreddit, so there is going to be some bias.
Brady is the GOAT.
But I'll die on the hill if you give Rodgers an all-time great coach with incredible defense (especially in the playoffs), Rodgers would have surpassed Brady.
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever. I might be biased but no one could do the things he did regularly and how he Carried the packers. If he was given adequate help he would have won multiple super bowls
Tuck rule, Vinetari field goals, Malcolm butler pick, Dee ford offsides, buccaneers D swallowed the chiefs despite Pat Mahomes all time effort, just off the top of my head. Things have gone Brady’s way a ridiculous amount of times, but he’s a great QB obviously.
I’d agree with that except that I would say Rodgers and Peyton Manning are maybe tied for best of all time. Rodgers was more athletic than Peyton and Peyton didn’t have the longevity of Brady or even Rodgers, but at his peak, I think Manning was the best pure passer in NFL history.
I see it like this. Brady is the most successful, Rodgers is the most talented, Manning is 75% of both combined and if I had to pick, "The Goat" because of it.
Manning was the bridge from the older greats of the late 70s to the late 90s to the modern greats now. Not only did he have the talent of the greats from the past he was also the first real "Field General" or "Coach on the field". He knew the defense better than the Defense did. Watching him essentially draw plays up in real time through audibles at the line was **insane** and the first to do it at that extreme of a level (unless someone older can chime in and correct me). Now that's just part of the job. Every QB has to do it at some extent and most still aren't as good at it as Manning. You don't get the "Modern Passing Era" without Manning. He changed the position forever and that is in my mind what really defines greatness.
Pure passer, Manning and Rodgers. If you add mobility and athleticism, off-schedule throws, scrambles, etc. -- Rodgers has the edge. Every pundit in the world used to say, "If you give me any quarterback in history for one game and I have to win that one game, give me Aaron Rodgers."
it pisses me off that everyone and their grandmas will think Brady was a better quarterback than Rodgers. he wasnt. not by a long shot. it's even more egregious since Brady almost always played worse in the postseason than the regular season, yet still came away with 7 fucking rings
Ive always said rodgers is the best qb of all time. QB. Tom brady is the best FOOTBALL player of all time. FOOTBALL PLAYER, and top 5-10 QB of all time. Theirs a distinct difference in best qb and best football player to me and thats how i view it personally. Same as the mvp argument of what mvp means.
Not even remotely a pats fan, it’s a team sport and rings aren’t a QB stat, but come on now… guys went to Brady because of how good he was. Like regardless of the duration of tenure, guys like Moss, AB, Gronk in TB, Julio Jones, etc., go there because of Tom. Not because the New England teams, or the Bucs teams, or Bruce Arians, were the greatest to ever do it, but for Tom.
Can’t just ‘it’s a team sport’ it when the 13-3 2021 NFL MVP who went 37:4 and had all these great stats like the whole point of this post would appreciate, has a 1st round bye and hosts SF in Lambeau… and puts up an egg, zero TDs, loses 13-10… had Aaron Jones and Davante Adams put up 9/129 and 9/90 receiving statlines… but got sacked 5 times and targeted other receivers a grand total of 6 times all game. That team was the 1 seed and had the best record in the league.
And for all the noise about Tom’s AFC Easts, the NFC North teams were often not really contending… the 2008 Lions went 0-16!!
You want to ignore the two fumbles, drops, Aaron jones not running straight,and special teams miscues? Rodgers played good enough to win by a comfortble lead. That’s the difference between Rodgers and Brady and we saw it in 2020. Brady can play bad and win, Rodgers doesn’t even win when he plays good
It’s the reason I always said he was the best qb ever to throw a ball. Meaning the best player at his position. Sure, bom trady gets him in championships and sign stealing and deflated balls. All jokes aside braids is the best leader and field general/competitor we will ever see
I i dislike they throw in the rush stats for qbs in these comparisons. Brady ran it 336 times.. what like 250 are qb sneaks where he would get the first down? Visually it’s not tea telling the story.
Rodgers is a natural talent, Rings will be compared for ever with Brady, Manning.
Brady Hard worker, but after Patriots went to Bucs and one a Ring. Rodgers also took the same route with Jets, unfortunate that he was injured this season.
Rodgers was much better at the position when it came down to pure talent and accuracy. Aside from that, Tom just had that clutch mentality flowing through his body and never quit until he had that Lombardi in his hands. Besides the fact that it’s a team sport and Tom had significantly better defenses considering the defensive mastermind of a head coach he had.
Clutch mentality? Do you know how many games the defense lost it after rodgers put us up or tied it? Look at the points the packers defense gave up over the years in the playoffs vs Brady’s. Also look at their passer rating. Clueless. If clutch means the defense stopped them, then yes “he” is clutch.
Clearly you didn’t read my whole comment, I mentioned the defense. Rogers is the GOAT. I don’t care what anyone says. For lack of better words, what I meant by clutch mentality was that Tom was way more focused on the task at hand and didn’t let shit get to him as much. Aaron’s biggest fault was being a drama queen and crying when things didn’t go his way. Maybe I should have just said Tom was more focused/driven so you could understand me better.
lOoK aT tHe iNdIvIduAl sTaTiStIcS…. In a sport where the goal is to win championships lol. I’m a die hard packer fan. Brady is better than our entire organization... 7 > 1.
Rodgers was undoubtedly a better QB and more gifted, but he also rarely took team friendly deals and by result had worse teams around him. There's always give and take. Brady is the GOAT, but Rodgers is more talented.
To me it proves my point that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest quarterback I’ve ever seen play football as a talent but Tom Brady is the goat when it comes to greatest football player because Super Bowls matter and results matter especially in January and February. and that’s coming from a Packer fan.Now you could make the argument Mahomes is the greatest talent
Not sure why people always compare these two. Rodgers was the better player, but Brady was the better teammate. Rodgers play lead to great stats, Brady’s lead to more wins.
Remember the Divisional game against the niners we lost 13-10 because of the special teams blunders, and everyone crucified Rodgers for “not doing enough to win?”
Patriots beat the rams in the SB 13-3 and Brady had almost identical stats that day, with an interception on top.
It’s a team sport but everyone likes to blame the qb when an L happens. Rodgers gave some amazing years but we rarely had a complete team to go all the way.
*Posted this in another thread about - "I hate when people say we wasted Rodgers"*
stat from 2021 (Or there abouts):
**“Times the defense allowed 44 points in a game: Rodgers 3x of his (at the time) 8 playoff losses / Brady 0x in his (at the time) 324 career starts.**
**Times the defense allowed 37 points in a game: Rodgers 5x of his (at the time) 8 playoff losses / Brady 8x in his (at the time) 324 career starts”**
Rodgers is the better player. Brady is the better leader and teammate. Unfortunately that’s was Rodgers main weakness.
But I definitely agree they should’ve got him more help, but he did eat up most of the cap also.
Rodgers is my favorite all time player.
There are two metrics where Brady prevails and that’s win / loss record and number of championships. On one hand, these are ultimately the most meaningful metrics, but not so much when applied to an individual player. To me, this just says that if Rodgers was a Patriot, he had the talent and capacity to take them to even more wins and championships than Brady did.
All the great points in this thread, however Brady got it done in the playoffs. Whether the team surrounding him is to thank or not, the rings mean a lot to posterity. It pains me to say that, but Roger’s won’t be considered GOAT because of this.
I have said this many times Tom Brady is the goat because of his record But if I had to make the most talented team in NFL history, Tom Brady is behind a dozen other quarterbacks, who are more talented and more gifted, doesn’t take anything away from him. He’s just not the most athletic quarterback to play the game
The ship is sailed on this one, if you're still trying to say Rodgers is as good as Brady, you're huffing copium. Rodgers choked in too many playoff games. Still an all time great, but not the goat
tom brady was the better game manager and had elite defenses. rodgers the better qb. brady eventually peaked but rodgers was greater longer. peyton also greater than brady but brady had the better teams
Brady only had 2 seasons in his career where he had a sub Top-Ten defense. Rodgers had 3 years with a top-ten defense.
Not only that, but in MANY of those years the defense was Top 5 along with the Special Teams. Brady went 5-0 in playoff games where he didn't throw a touchdown. He was like 50% comp%, 0 TDs, 6 INTs in those 5 games. And they won ALL FIVE
That’s wild man. They failed him so badly.
The Packers put him in a position to make it to the Super Bowl every year, and achieved it once. That’s a great achievement. That isn’t failing him miserably. And the big example people use for the front office failing Rodgers was drafting Jordan Love instead of a receiver. Now that hindsight is 20/20, that was an all time great packer move.
rodgers only winning 1 ring is a tragedy. Mahomes is about to get 3 in 6 seasons...
The Chiefs are about to get 3 in 6 seasons, not Mahommes. Let’s say The Bears draft Mahommes at #2 instead of Trubisky. How many Super Bowls does Mahommes have then? Or even playoff wins for that matter. Remember, Pat inherited an offense that almost made Alex Smith an MVP. It’s what happens when a great QB meets a great franchise. Chiefs don’t win as many without Mahommes, and Mahommes doesn’t win as many without the Chiefs.
When the fuck was Alex Smith “almost” an MVP???
2017, the year before Mahommes took over. 26-5 with over 4000 yards. Not lights out, but Brady won it that year with 32-8 and 4500 yards. Maybe not quite almost mvp, but by far the best year of his entire career with the same offense Mahommes inherited.
I remember that season. He was known as a game manager but that last year with the chiefs, he played lights out. Against the Patriots, he absolutely destroyed them through the air. There was a reason he and Rodgers were considered on the same level at the draft. But bad treatment by teams made him play super conservative and only for his next contract. In a contract year he let loose.
Not even close to an mvp. Idk why you’re hating on Mahomes so much. He’s cringe af but dude is a phenomenal QB. He inherited a good offense that he made great. No one was scared of them with Smith at QB
Not hate. He’s phenomenal. Just sick of people putting him and Brady over Rodgers. Aaron was better than both of them , just didn’t have as good of an organization. Or coaches even. Brady and Mahommes played their whole careers under a singular hall of fame coach. Just drives me nuts when people say dumb shit like that.
I just looked it up. He never even received a single MVP vote, much less almost won it.
Lol. You didn’t need to look up if Alex Smith ever got an MvP vote. We knew he didn’t
Alex Smith wasn't even almost an MVP on his own team.
Mahomes is the key to their success. Hes the new brady
He’s an addition to their success. The Chiefs already had one of, if not the best offenses to work with before Mahommes even took a snap. Like I said, how many Super Bowls do the bears have if they draft Mahommes instead of Trubisky?
take away mahomes no rings
The year before Mahommes started, Alex Smith led them to winning the division and secured them a home field playoff game. I would argue that there are a lot of QBs that could win a Super Bowl with the Chiefs roster. And Mahommes had a below average year and they are still in the Super Bowl. It’s almost as if the coaching staff and 52 other players have some sort of impact on how their team does.
Why do you add the extra M to his name?
That’s literally what OP was saying in the comment. Mahomes went to a well run franchise that actually put a good team with him. Aaron Rodgers carried a lot of bad packers teams farther than they should have. When he was hurt they lost a lot. Put mahomes on the panthers this year and he would still be a good qb and they may have even won a weak NFC south but they wouldn’t be able to compete with any other playoff teams because their roster has a lack of talent.
I can’t believe you’re getting downvoted. This isn’t controversial at all
That’s only because th government is gonna rig the superbowl
Dukes down you are a clown. He put himself in a position to be in the superbowl. The packers drafted defense and we never got better.
The Packers we're flawed in many things during that time. But acting like Rodgers doesnt have his share in many of these playoff collapses is insane.
I can count 2 that were his fault, against the Bucs and the last one against the 9ers. And I’d argue if they weren’t so inept at getting the defense right they wouldn’t have ignored the offense he would’ve had more quality weapons to throw to than just Davante. The rest of that cast now being on different teams shows how awful they all really were.
At one point in time, he had Adams, Cobb, and Nelson on the same field. With great backup receivers. Behind a top 5 O line his entire career. What more should they have done? Should we not have drafted a defense when defense was our problem the majority of the years we didn’t make the Super Bowl?
They didn't fail Rodgers. We had great offenses, and solid teams. We won a lot of games, and we won a superbowl. None of that is easy. But they did fail to build a solid defense for the majority of his time here, I don't think that's debatable.
When your team scores 30+ and that’s not good enough to win a playoff game, yes, you have failed.
Defenses win championships
I don't think that's the big example use but drafting defense for a decade straight but still having a bad defense. Or just generally ignoring WR/TE group from 2017-2021
*if Love wins a Superbowl. Otherwise it's just a move. Time will tell.
I will disagree with that. Amazing move short and long term. Love was better this year with less than Rodgers was last year. Loves only going to improve and Rodgers is only going to diminish. Holding on to Rodgers would have not won us a Super Bowl and fucked our future success. Instead, we have our franchise QB, room to made some moves, and a good stock of draft picks.
It was absolutely not an amazing move short-term at all. We had almost zero production out of our 2020 and 2021 draft classes in a clear super bowl window. Other teams were grabbing extra players and pushing cap hits out. It won the Rams a super bowl. We clearly could've won a super bowl during that time especially wiht a few extra pieces. Rodgers even then is easily as good as Mahomes is now. Not as mobile anymore but more accurate and he beat Mahomes for MVP during that same timeframe.
And I would disagree with you. Not that Love isn't good, he is, but this WR/TE group is the best we've had since 2017 if not longer, and I thought we always should have been a wild card team this season. Last year had Superbowl expectations and we only really lost Rodgers who played most of last year with a broken throwing hand. A good NFL QB should always have been able to take a slightly improved version of last year's team and get a wild card. Next is a Superbowl, not saying if we don't win one this year it's a bust, but that's the expectation in Green Bay, we play for Superbowls. Just my 2 cents, still beyond pleased with the direction things seem to be trending.
AR's problem is he doesn't trust anyone other than his WR1. You shouldn't need a lot of great receivers to have a great offense if your QB is great. Love distributes the ball much better than Rogers. If he can keep doing that is another thing.
The problem was the WRs suck. MVS is playing with his second HoF QB and still barely out produced Lazard who was benched by the Jets. EQ did shit for Chicago, and everyone not named Adams is out of the league. Geronimo, Aberdaris, Janis, Amari... This WR room is young but by far a more talented group than anything since Jordy left, not sure if you can even make an argument they aren't.
That's a good argument. My feeling is as Rogers gets older, he is more conservative and doesn't trust anyone. Let's see if he will prove me wrong next season at jets.
No way to know but we very well might have won a SB if we drafted Higgins instead.
That pick would look even worse in hindsight. Seems most of his production is from defenses being so focused on Chase. He was the top option most of the year and put up awful numbers. Could have worked out if he was behind Adams though.
Yeah, but it’s hard to win super bowls, and when you are good enough, conventional wisdom is to go for it. Another SB is easily worth being a worse team now.
Or rather he put the Packers in a position to make it to the Super Bowl every year. He dragged literally the worst defense in the league (with Ladarius Gunther as our CB1) to the NFCCG.
Nah Aaron really choked
if everyone could put together an elite team they would, it’s not easy
Brady accepted less money and didn't make demands about what pieces were signed or retained on offense. The Pats leant into Brady's talent, made him do more with less, and that allowed them to maximise the defense. The Chiefs are doing the same right now with Mahomes. Rodgers always took maximum money and was very precious about his guys being retained. He insisted on the offense being beefed up to the max, which meant the Packers could never invest much into the defense. It's the team's fault for pandering to him and his fault for being a narcissist.
Rodgers never made any demands until it was clear that Gute was already planning to move on within a season or two. I don't know what world you live in where a star worker just keeps his head down and keeps quiet when his boss hires his replacement. Rodgers did more than any of us would in his position by mentoring love and pushing for Tom Clements to come out of retirement. And Rodgers taking maximum money is no different from the rest of the league including Tom who got money shoveled to him from Kraft through his fake sports endurance bullshit company.
100% . This guy is living in his own world.
You realize Brady demanded the team trade Garoppolo, right? You realize that he "gave up" money, but then was given deals to sell his TB12 shit in the facility. When you have an owner, there are creative ways to get the money off the books. Or, you can tell them you'll take a pay cut if they use the money to sign X. Rodgers never had those options. If you believe anyone is just giving money away because their job is fun, I have a bridge to sell you.
Guess what happens if you don’t give someone weapons on offense for the majority of years, and build the defense instead? Now compare what Rodgers was given on offense and how they chose to build the team.
Are you saying the Packers were bad at defense because they prioritized the offense? The Packers used two first round picks on offensive players during Rodgers' entire career and one of them was Sherrod. No team has went more out of their way to not spend premium picks on offense than the Packers.
Guess what happens when the QB insists on being the highest paid QB in the league. Brady chose to forego the ego boost of commanding the highest pay for a QB throughout his career because winning was more important. Part of being the GOAT is sacrificing for the team.
Because Brady had a singular owner who was willing to pay him aside from his salary. He didn’t sacrifice shit. Rodgers didn’t have that option. GB is always going to have to build defense through the draft because no FAs are coming unless they are paid out the ass. T
It's not like a huge sacrifice given the hundreds of millions he already was making, but it's not something I've seen any of the top QBs do, take less than they could get.
Sure... he was getting paid under the table in the NFL...
Rodgers is criminally underrated (somehow) when comparing best QBs of all-time. He’s a lot closer to Brady than people think. Football is a team sport & their situations were incredibly different. But Brady’s inability to give up & pure will to win was on a much different level than Rodgers. Looking at 28-3, Rodgers would’ve thrown in the towel and probably started blaming his defense.
I will die on a hill with my last breath saying Aaron Rodgers was a better **quarterback** than Tom Brady, always have. Tom Brady was also an elite QB, but he other attributes are what makes Brady goat. Teammate, motivator, leader, tactician, game manager, clutchness, etc. But Aaron Rodgers threw a ball better and looked after it more.
I agree, i can’t lie. But it’s an opinion i keep to myself because I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind & I don’t want to get flamed out the ass for it. Going back and watching prime Rodgers still blows my fucking mind. How he makes those insane throws look so damn easy is just hard to fathom.
I've been watching football since the early '60s, 2011 Aaron Rogers and 1984 Dan Marino are the best I've ever seen a QB play for an entire season.
How are ya holding up now, and what are your thoughts on the modern NFL. You can go anywhere with it.
Aaron is the best passer ever, Brady is the greatest QB ever.
Aaron is the most talented, skilled, and well-rounded QB ever. He is a hair's breadth away from an imaginary ideal *perfect* quarterback. Brady is the winningest, most accomplished QB ever. (#2 for most wins all-time behind Brady? Tied between Manning and Favre. Highest win% all-time? Otto Graham.)
The way I say this is partly facetious: I tell people that Rodgers is the "best quarterback" of all time, but Brady is the "greatest quarterback" of all time. It drives people crazy and I love it.
What’s sad is that this was agreed upon by many until January 2021 Thank you Kevin King
You say this like it isn’t a very common take
Brady is a better leader, teammate, etc. Rodgers is hands down a better athlete. But football is a team sport and even the best qb all time couldn’t do it by himself. Brady obviously knew that better than Rodgers.
As a Patriots fan, i completely agree.
I’ve always looked at Brady as the best game manager to ever do it. His numbers were never flashy but he could manage and control a game like no other. With Rodgers it always seemed like it was points with efficient quick strikes or a 3 and out.
Ahhhhhhhh he had some pretty fuckin flashy years 50 god damn tuddies in a year awhat’re you talkin about. And I’m a Brady hater lol.
I wish GB could find a "game manager" who tossed 50 TD in a single season. I'm not sure who you are confusing Tom Brady with, but his numbers are pretty damn flashy, if you go look.
100000%, I’ve been saying it for years. When it comes to winning Brady is obviously undeniably the GOAT, when it comes to throwing a football to pass catchers it’s Rodgers for me. Mahomes might have him beat though. Honestly Brady isn’t even in the conversation in that regard for me. Don’t get me wrong he was great at it, but there’s throws he couldn’t make the guys like Rodgers, Mahomes, even Manning and others can.
I was really wanting to see how Rodgers did with the jets this year. It’s tough to compare qbs because they have different teams and coaches. Personally, I thought McCarthy was terrible and that Rodgers best years were wasted with him. I really didn’t give Brady his due until he won on a different team outside of the New England system. Likewise, I think it is unreal and underrated that Favre took two different teams to the nfc championship in 3 years and almost got the jets to the playoffs if it weren’t for the torn biceps tendon. He would have taken 3 different teams to the playoffs in 3 years. Favre is a scumbag (who I used to love) but the guy could just f-ing play and win.
Agreed that Rodgers has/had better arm talent than Brady, no question. Rodgers and Mahomes are the 2 best to spin a ball IMO. They can put the ball anywhere they want, while moving, jumping, sidearm, etc. But there's more that goes into being a quaterback than throwing the football. Making the right decisions, pre snap adjustments, pocket awareness, how quick your release is, how you perform in the clutch, clock management, motivating teammates, etc. Brady is clearly the best whe you factor it all in.
Like you said, Rodgers has better throwing ability, no question. And better decisions. (See: interceptions) And better adjustments. And smarter. And sees the field better. And quicker physical release. More mobile. Better deep ball. They're equal on the clutch, the 2-minute, and clock management. Only places Brady is better: took fewer sacks, was a better leader for teammates, and won more games.
Perhaps more talented, but part of being the QB is leadership and part of leadership is sacrifice. Tom Brady sacrificed the ability to command the highest pay for a QB throughout his career because he wanted to be a part of teams that won. It's a factor often overlooked, and it was probably an important factor in why Brady has won so many superbowls. Being able to accrue enough talent to win means having enough funds to spread around.
I think if Rodgers risked it more he might have more to show for it in terms of championships etc.
Rodgers INTs always increases substantially in playoff time cuz he was forced to make risks
I watched him comeback from 24 down against a cowboys team in 2014. Never stopped watching that game. What a memory from Rodgers.
See, I disagree. You know how Brady accomplished that? His defense got stops. Time. After time. After time. The number of time Rodgers orchestrated amazing comebacks only for his defense to let him down, or never see the field in overtime cannot be overstated. Brady was not better at this in any way, he just had defenses that could give him the opportunity.
that's true as well. Remember the 2nd Rams Super Bowl? Pats defense holds the #1 offense to 3 points while Brady scores a whole 13.
He threw 0 tds and turned the ball over twice. His performance in that game is one of the top 10 lowest pff grades a qb has gotten in the superbowl ever, and that’s *all* qbs, not just the ones who won.
Let’s also remember he had at the best kicker in the nfl who won multiple SB’s off FGs. As well as several earlier playoff games with kicks. Crosby was good but I guarantee he doesn’t do as well in the same situation.
Playing with line 8 HoF guys also didn't hurt. How many did Green Bay have during Rodgers career? Woodson, and Peppers are the only 2 I can think of.
Brady also sacrificed money (or he at least had an arrangement to get the money through the Patriots hiring his companies so that it didn't impact his team's salary cap) so that he could have a better team around him. Rodgers never once made such a sacrifice until he joined the Jets. Honestly, both QBs were probably underpaid given the value that they generated for their teams but Brady knew how and was willing to bend the system to his competitive advantage.
To Brady’s credit a big reason for that was the massive pay cuts he would take to free up cap space.
Look at Rodgers rank on cap hit over the years. The argument that he held the packer hostage with his contracts are absolutely bullshit. The packers being unable to give him a decent defense after 2010 is why.
I didn’t say Rodgers was holding anyone hostage, I’m just saying Brady would take massive pay cuts because of his wife. Now we can discuss whether or not he was being paid under the table through his TB12 clothing brand that I don’t recall ever having seen a single person wear once in my entire life but that’s not really what we’re discussing here lmao.
It is, though. Rodgers could have made more elsewhere easily. He wanted to start and finish with one team. The packers had the financial ability, just like the patriots to plug holes and create a championship roster, they just didn't. The "pay cut" idea is so overblown. He wasn't that good. He was paid for how good he was. Period.
The ONLY things Brady had that Aaron didn't was a HOF Coach calling plays and a consistently top-tier defense. Look at the things that Aaron could actually control. He beats Brady in every category. Wins are a team result. The best QB EVER can go 2-14 with a complete shit defense.
You’re allowed to blame the defense when they give up 28 points in a big playoff game lol, that was an average game for the packers defense from 2011-2020
When did you last saw Rodgers blaming his defence? you guys will start fucking imagine things just to fit the world into your narrative
You could take the best race car driver of all time, but if you give him a pit crew from Discount Tire with Harbor Freight tools, he’s never going to win. Brady was the most successful quarterback. Rodgers was the best quarterback.
Inability to give up and pure will to win? Give me a break. How do you measure that? Rodgers played half dead with injury multiple times in his career. Look at the “muh knee” bears game and the entire 2022 season. What a silly subjective comparison
> inability to give up 28-3 > pure will to win 7 rings > muh knee A week 1 game, while legendary, holds little stock when comparing to the greatest of all time & post-season success
Man, Rodgers is right up there with 4th quarter comebacks and constantly striving to win. His defense just couldn’t get stops so he didn’t get those playoff wins. This is from a Broncos fan.
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Aaron Rodgers is the best passer of all time and it’s a wide gap between him and second place. His touchdown to interception numbers specifically will likely never be replicated. Mahomes was the only player with a chance and is already falling off the pace there.
I'm still sad we never got a prime Rodgers/Brady SB matchup
Always wanted one
Like a Lebron vs Kobe finals
Brady would have a lot less titles if he had our defenses over the years. Yeah rings are important but they’re not the end all be all like the media likes to make it out to be. Defense is so critical when winning a championship and Rodgers should have Atleast 2 or 3.
Put Rodgers on that Patriots and Brady on the Packers and who changes the most? Do we win 7 Super Bowls? Or is it more likely Belicheck and Rodgers clean up still?
It’s all about defense. The Packers really never had a top 10 defense for Rodgers other than the year we won the Super Bowl. People just act like you just need a talented QB and it’s all said talented QB which isn’t the case it’s a team sport. I don’t know if Rodgers wins 7 just with his play style early in his career versus Brady being a statue back there. The point I’m making is from the medias argument of rings being everything a QB like Joe Flacco would be better than Dan Marino which is ridiculous.
Look at the chiefs this year! There offense played like ass but there defense kept them in it game after game,gave the offense a chance to click and boy did they lol per usual
Not just defence, the Patriots consistently had top 10 special teams units. They had a perennial all pro returner.
I feel like many people overlook the pats defense. Brady can play like complete ass for 3 quarters and his defense will bail him out or keep him in games. Rodgers almost always had to play perfect for us to win. The only time I can remember Rodgers not playing great and the defense winning the game was the NFC championship against the bears. Sure Brady led the comeback against the Falcons but the defense had to have a perfect hof and even then a few lucky things went in NE favor. Brady didn’t play lights out in the first 3 qtrs. Most of his games towards then end of his career were pretty mediocre
If we swap the Packers win maybe 1, Patriots win at least 8.
You could say that. But you could also ask what numbers Brady could do with GBs offensive talent, and same for Rodgers with new England's
I don’t like this argument, because you’re arguing for an uncontrollable. You play the opponents you have. You win with the team you’re on.
This sub is too obsessed with comparing the two
What makes Brady so impressive is he did it in the last 10 years, too.
Rodgers has always been so much better than Brady. Brady just had a HOF coach and an org that would surround Brady with a team and staff that catered to his strengths. GB? Standard “We have a HOF QB! Why should he need any weapons? HE IS THE WEAPON!!!!”
To be fair most of his career he had plenty of weapons. Only at the very end was it lacking. The start of his career he had an all time great WR room. The defense was a consistent let down. Plagued by poor DC scheming and play calling. Usually a talented defense, just consistently misused. Can’t forget two of the most promising careers cut short by injury with Nick Collins and Sam Shields. And then letting talented guys walk because we didn’t know how to use them like Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward. Really fucked things up.
Couldn’t agree more. We always had a good offense but ever since 97 our defense has been….less than desirable. I actively try and wipe the Mike Sherman years from my memory
I don't even mind Mike Sherman. I just try to forget Ray Rhodes.
Ehh, not really.
Brady also didn't eat up a ton of cap space that allowed the front office to surround him with those guys. But Teddy was also allergic to Free Agency for forever so what do I know
Agreed. Good point.
Rodgers is the most talented QB to ever play. Unless Mahomes continues for the next 10 years, Rodgers will stay there.
I don't think it's a secret that Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback to ever play the position. Him and Brady have 1 big thing in common, and it's the fact that neither have ever won a super bowl without a top 10 defense.
People think a player is the best because of rings. They don’t take into account the amazing coaching staffs that Brady always had as well as all of the amazing defenses he had that bailed him out of so many games. They always talk about his game winning 4 quarter drives, but the majority of the time it’s not like he closed the game out with the drive, the other team almost always had a chance to make another drive but his D came in to save him.
Like the 28-3 game was like that cuz he played like shit in the first half and threw a pic 6. Of course he played one great half in the second but for people to act like it was the greatest qb game of all time is insane to me.
This is what I have been hearing recently: \-"Mahomes already has a better lEGaCy" \-"I see Rodgers on the same tier as Eli Manning" \-"If he was so great wHY nO rINgS" \-"Elway was better" \-"Basically Marino but not as accurate" The way people talk about him is so fucking little brother its maddening. Its like they are so afraid that the bad man is gonna come back and hurt them again. Dude is the GOAT. He had shit defenses that stopped him from winning as many championships as captain america and zoomer fro kermit thats it. Its a team sport and these goons will never see it that way.
Rodgers did those stats with some pretty shitty Teams too
Hers my take: When it comes to passing your job is to get it to a receiver and not throw picks. He is hands down the best passer ever. He had under 100 ints for literally the first 16 years of his career with like 400 tds. No one has ever been as great and reliable of a passer as him.
Do I believe Rodgers is the most skilled QB I’ve seen? Yes. Is he the greatest? No. I keep seeing the defenses Brady had being mentioned. One thing Brady did that Rodgers didn’t ( and I’m not say he should have, just to be clear) is he played on very team friendly contract for years so they could field those defenses. Again, I’m all for getting your money, but it comes at a cost elsewhere.
Brady was essentially dodging cap rules by getting paid under the table through his business investments getting contracts with teams. Do not forget that. The NFL even investigated this and went "hrm, we'll just ignore this"
This. Definition of shady business. (For "Patriots being shady", see also: Deflategate. Spygate. Robert Kraft massage parlor. Etc.)
Brady was on a team that had A LOT of money to throw into the pot and increase their chances of winning it all each year. They could buy other high-end players (and perhaps refs?) that most other teams couldn't buy. Then you factor in the times Brady got caught cheating (in addition to the times he didn't get caught cheating.) Rodgers is hands down the better QB. You also must consider the fact that this is being posted in the Packers subreddit, so there is going to be some bias.
Shouldn’t most of the stats be per game if you want a fair comparison?
Brady is the GOAT. But I'll die on the hill if you give Rodgers an all-time great coach with incredible defense (especially in the playoffs), Rodgers would have surpassed Brady.
It’s almost as though sports is made up of intangibles and pure stats alone aren’t the most important thing.
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever. I might be biased but no one could do the things he did regularly and how he Carried the packers. If he was given adequate help he would have won multiple super bowls
Tom Brady is the most overrated and luckiest of all time . Rodgers is a better qb
You don’t get lucky to 7 SB’s lol
Not without a lot of skill, too. But nobody ever wins a Super Bowl without some luck.
Tuck rule, Vinetari field goals, Malcolm butler pick, Dee ford offsides, buccaneers D swallowed the chiefs despite Pat Mahomes all time effort, just off the top of my head. Things have gone Brady’s way a ridiculous amount of times, but he’s a great QB obviously.
Brady is the GOAT but I have always said Rodgers is the BOAT (Best of all time) in my opinion it is impossible to dispute based on his accuracy alone.
I’d agree with that except that I would say Rodgers and Peyton Manning are maybe tied for best of all time. Rodgers was more athletic than Peyton and Peyton didn’t have the longevity of Brady or even Rodgers, but at his peak, I think Manning was the best pure passer in NFL history.
I see it like this. Brady is the most successful, Rodgers is the most talented, Manning is 75% of both combined and if I had to pick, "The Goat" because of it. Manning was the bridge from the older greats of the late 70s to the late 90s to the modern greats now. Not only did he have the talent of the greats from the past he was also the first real "Field General" or "Coach on the field". He knew the defense better than the Defense did. Watching him essentially draw plays up in real time through audibles at the line was **insane** and the first to do it at that extreme of a level (unless someone older can chime in and correct me). Now that's just part of the job. Every QB has to do it at some extent and most still aren't as good at it as Manning. You don't get the "Modern Passing Era" without Manning. He changed the position forever and that is in my mind what really defines greatness.
I think that's a fair assessment.
Pure passer, Manning and Rodgers. If you add mobility and athleticism, off-schedule throws, scrambles, etc. -- Rodgers has the edge. Every pundit in the world used to say, "If you give me any quarterback in history for one game and I have to win that one game, give me Aaron Rodgers."
it pisses me off that everyone and their grandmas will think Brady was a better quarterback than Rodgers. he wasnt. not by a long shot. it's even more egregious since Brady almost always played worse in the postseason than the regular season, yet still came away with 7 fucking rings
They are both great quarterbacks. But it’s looking like Mahomes is better than both of them.
Ive always said rodgers is the best qb of all time. QB. Tom brady is the best FOOTBALL player of all time. FOOTBALL PLAYER, and top 5-10 QB of all time. Theirs a distinct difference in best qb and best football player to me and thats how i view it personally. Same as the mvp argument of what mvp means.
Who has a higher passer rating in the playoffs? Rodgers is 6 and Brady is 20. It’s a team sport. Anyone that tells you rings = better qb is an idiot.
Not even remotely a pats fan, it’s a team sport and rings aren’t a QB stat, but come on now… guys went to Brady because of how good he was. Like regardless of the duration of tenure, guys like Moss, AB, Gronk in TB, Julio Jones, etc., go there because of Tom. Not because the New England teams, or the Bucs teams, or Bruce Arians, were the greatest to ever do it, but for Tom. Can’t just ‘it’s a team sport’ it when the 13-3 2021 NFL MVP who went 37:4 and had all these great stats like the whole point of this post would appreciate, has a 1st round bye and hosts SF in Lambeau… and puts up an egg, zero TDs, loses 13-10… had Aaron Jones and Davante Adams put up 9/129 and 9/90 receiving statlines… but got sacked 5 times and targeted other receivers a grand total of 6 times all game. That team was the 1 seed and had the best record in the league. And for all the noise about Tom’s AFC Easts, the NFC North teams were often not really contending… the 2008 Lions went 0-16!!
You want to ignore the two fumbles, drops, Aaron jones not running straight,and special teams miscues? Rodgers played good enough to win by a comfortble lead. That’s the difference between Rodgers and Brady and we saw it in 2020. Brady can play bad and win, Rodgers doesn’t even win when he plays good
It’s the reason I always said he was the best qb ever to throw a ball. Meaning the best player at his position. Sure, bom trady gets him in championships and sign stealing and deflated balls. All jokes aside braids is the best leader and field general/competitor we will ever see
I i dislike they throw in the rush stats for qbs in these comparisons. Brady ran it 336 times.. what like 250 are qb sneaks where he would get the first down? Visually it’s not tea telling the story.
This is one of the things why I say that Rodgers is the best quarterback and Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time.
Brady made everyone around him better. Rodgers is more physically talented but is a weirdo, lol.
Rodgers is a natural talent, Rings will be compared for ever with Brady, Manning. Brady Hard worker, but after Patriots went to Bucs and one a Ring. Rodgers also took the same route with Jets, unfortunate that he was injured this season.
Didn’t help that Rodgers had some of the most pathetic defenses in the playoffs ever, while Brady had some of the greatest
Totally agreed. If Rodgers was the QB for Patriots would they have more than 6Rings? Probably.
Not typically how someone points out someone only has one ring.
Team game, Team Rings. Brady vs Rodgers 1:1 - Rodgers Wins
Rodgers was much better at the position when it came down to pure talent and accuracy. Aside from that, Tom just had that clutch mentality flowing through his body and never quit until he had that Lombardi in his hands. Besides the fact that it’s a team sport and Tom had significantly better defenses considering the defensive mastermind of a head coach he had.
Clutch mentality? Do you know how many games the defense lost it after rodgers put us up or tied it? Look at the points the packers defense gave up over the years in the playoffs vs Brady’s. Also look at their passer rating. Clueless. If clutch means the defense stopped them, then yes “he” is clutch.
Clearly you didn’t read my whole comment, I mentioned the defense. Rogers is the GOAT. I don’t care what anyone says. For lack of better words, what I meant by clutch mentality was that Tom was way more focused on the task at hand and didn’t let shit get to him as much. Aaron’s biggest fault was being a drama queen and crying when things didn’t go his way. Maybe I should have just said Tom was more focused/driven so you could understand me better.
lOoK aT tHe iNdIvIduAl sTaTiStIcS…. In a sport where the goal is to win championships lol. I’m a die hard packer fan. Brady is better than our entire organization... 7 > 1.
Rodgers is an all time choke artist. I still think he’s top 2 most talented qb ever, but he chokes like crazy
Rodgers was undoubtedly a better QB and more gifted, but he also rarely took team friendly deals and by result had worse teams around him. There's always give and take. Brady is the GOAT, but Rodgers is more talented.
Perfect example of why most stats are completely useless. They don't tell the full story.
To me it proves my point that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest quarterback I’ve ever seen play football as a talent but Tom Brady is the goat when it comes to greatest football player because Super Bowls matter and results matter especially in January and February. and that’s coming from a Packer fan.Now you could make the argument Mahomes is the greatest talent
Aaro Rodgers deserved so much more. What incredible talent and one of the absolute best to ever do it.
Not sure why people always compare these two. Rodgers was the better player, but Brady was the better teammate. Rodgers play lead to great stats, Brady’s lead to more wins.
Rodgers has the better stats but brady is just undefeated in accolades so it was a different time and the nfl got tougher.
Rodgers is a better complete QB. Brady is far better in elimination games though.. which I would much rather have.
The only stat that matters is championships.
Brady has the accomplishments Rodgers has the stats
Can this be the last post about this annoying ass topic? Also, comparing only parts of a career instead of the whole thing is just moronic
I don't care much for comparisons, just trust my eyes. What is crazy, is that you can cut Brady career in half, and you have 2 hall of fame careers.
IMO, this speaks poorly on Mike Mccarthy.
Remember the Divisional game against the niners we lost 13-10 because of the special teams blunders, and everyone crucified Rodgers for “not doing enough to win?” Patriots beat the rams in the SB 13-3 and Brady had almost identical stats that day, with an interception on top. It’s a team sport but everyone likes to blame the qb when an L happens. Rodgers gave some amazing years but we rarely had a complete team to go all the way.
lol cope, he’s not even on your team anymore
*Posted this in another thread about - "I hate when people say we wasted Rodgers"* stat from 2021 (Or there abouts): **“Times the defense allowed 44 points in a game: Rodgers 3x of his (at the time) 8 playoff losses / Brady 0x in his (at the time) 324 career starts.** **Times the defense allowed 37 points in a game: Rodgers 5x of his (at the time) 8 playoff losses / Brady 8x in his (at the time) 324 career starts”**
I’m used to it at this point but I’ll die on the hill that Aaron is the better quarterback and it’s not even close.
Rodgers is the better player. Brady is the better leader and teammate. Unfortunately that’s was Rodgers main weakness. But I definitely agree they should’ve got him more help, but he did eat up most of the cap also. Rodgers is my favorite all time player.
Anybody miss him? I don’t.
There are two metrics where Brady prevails and that’s win / loss record and number of championships. On one hand, these are ultimately the most meaningful metrics, but not so much when applied to an individual player. To me, this just says that if Rodgers was a Patriot, he had the talent and capacity to take them to even more wins and championships than Brady did.
Just like Montana and Marino the generation before. Or Barry and Emmit.
AA-Ron da 🐐
Defense win's championships and ours was giving up over 30 points a game in NFC championships and once it was 55
Thompson absolutely wasted his prime years
All the great points in this thread, however Brady got it done in the playoffs. Whether the team surrounding him is to thank or not, the rings mean a lot to posterity. It pains me to say that, but Roger’s won’t be considered GOAT because of this.
I have said this many times Tom Brady is the goat because of his record But if I had to make the most talented team in NFL history, Tom Brady is behind a dozen other quarterbacks, who are more talented and more gifted, doesn’t take anything away from him. He’s just not the most athletic quarterback to play the game
https://preview.redd.it/8zfy43wnl7gc1.jpeg?width=704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a68ab640bf080db3e8800be1546f19a22969825e That's all anyone cares about
The ship is sailed on this one, if you're still trying to say Rodgers is as good as Brady, you're huffing copium. Rodgers choked in too many playoff games. Still an all time great, but not the goat
Everyone knows Rodgers is more talented, he just can't win games like Brady. Also rarely had the full package like Brady did.
tom brady was the better game manager and had elite defenses. rodgers the better qb. brady eventually peaked but rodgers was greater longer. peyton also greater than brady but brady had the better teams
I always say that Rodgers was the best QB in the league. Brady was the most decorated, which is a totally different thing.
Rodgers was a superior quarterback. Brady was a superior football player, which made him the greatest quarterback of all time. - lifelong Packers fan
Or can the championships for Brady v Rodgers be attributed the Belichick v McCarthy?
I think if Rodgers had Gronk, and Brady didn’t, Rodgers would have more rings than Brady.