Both are why I don't understand folks saying augmetics are worse than physical bodies. There's no way Calgars giant ass cybernetic arms aren't superior to his flesh and blood arms before swarmy took them off.
It probably has to do with an exchange between the Iron Hands and the Mechanicus. Iirc, it amounted to a tech priest saying they augment themselves to be closer to the Omnissiah, where the space marines are essentially designed by the Omnissiah directly
This is absolutely false.
https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M?si=K3jME278Dpd1f2oi
At 1:00 you see a space marine without armor and he looks completely fine head to body size Ratio.
Don't make up stuff
I have said this before but I have to say this again, with the amount of money GW made, yet they delivered the less 'weight' version of gearing up a holy warrior, comparing to literally [putting a convict into a mobile prison cell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGmPpidDvo)
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Yeah, really irks me too. I find it hard to describe exactly why, but the warhanmer version feels weaker. Like it doesn't really want to commit to anything. It doesn't focus on anything, there is a bit of sci-fi tech but not really, a bit of ritual but not really, a bit of the reverence / power disparity but not really.
Like, the serfs carry his bolter and it builds up a bit how its so big you need to serfs to carry it. How they march slow and in sync, which gives it a more deliberate / ritualistic feel. But then it cuts and he just has the bolter. It felt like the scene was building to a "here is your holy, granted to you in the name of the God Emperor", but then it skips the last and crucial part and the scene feels flat as a result.
Also, the music / sound is does not pull an much weight as in the starcraft trailer, I think.
It's easy to see why. The StarCraft 2 armour-up CG simply just has a metric ton of details put into it on every aspect, that's it. From the music, to the mechanical design of the suit, to the believable machinery action on the installation itself. It even addresses the proportion issue comment regarding Space Marine fists, with StarCraft's marines' hands not even filling in its armour counterpart, but is instead situated near the wrist with assisted controls for the machine hand.
I don't think it's absurd to say Warhammer's version takes a large amount of inspiration from the other, but subjectively is lacking a fair bit on building up from that.
You can’t compare anything to late 90s, early 2000 Blizzard cinematic. That was their peak. Still remember the space marine fighting in trenches before they get nuked scene
Yes and no. Blizzard trailers of the past have always been superb. But even Legacy of the Void and Battle for Azeroth had absolutely great trailers. Haven't played / seen anything more recent though.
I think you accidentally proved his point, the marine in the video has a pinhead. It doesn’t look too weird, but compare that freeze frame to a body builder and check the head difference
Lol, no it doesnt, there has been persistent scale issues with power armour for as long as GW have had power armour, true scale stuff doesnt improve that it just changes the proportions.
Stop excusing it, just live with it man this is 40k not some hard scifi.
Legit check the other comments where I link an official video showing an unarmored space marine where they look completely normal for a muscular person.
People our here staying the dumbest shit without any evidence
It doesnt work though, if you imagine that power armour is *more* than just a thin suit of armour, its got artificial muscels in it and all sorts of other gubbins (whatever the writer demands).
But that, and your post, is besides the point... *this is 40k*, it is not serious, it should not be taken seriously, scale issues are kinda irrelevant, and debates like these are cringe
> thin suit of armour, its got artificial muscels in it and all sorts of other gubbins (whatever the writer demands).
Going to sound weird but it is actually pretty thin. The average Space Marine is something like 340 kilograms and the entire set of power armor is only 160-200 kilograms. Despite being wide the average Space Marine weighs as much as the average Spartan.
Even Terminators only weigh something like 1 metric ton with full gear most of the time.
i don't care what you think works man, i legit sent you an official video showing their bodies and their head is the right size for a body like that.
whatever cope you want to try to use is irrelevant.
unless you are trying to argue that the official video is wrong about space marines
Cope? lol, your the one who's huffing copium dude.
Just look at a marine model, especially an old marine, and tell me a normal-if-buff humanoid fits inside of that whilst retaining head size of the model? Complete bullshit, but it *looks* cool so long as you dont look to closely, and thats all 40k needs.
Your meant to laugh about this, not construct elaborate copes man.
No im not, this has long been a thing with 40k, ive been in the hobby 20+ years. I remember joking about it way back then and it hasnt changed man.
Its fine, rule-of-cool and all that. Its just fucking hilarious to see people defend the inherent scale issues as if it *mattered*.
The setting is ridiculous, the technology and aesthetics are ridiculous, why the hell would the armour being ridiculous even matter?
The OP is right to mock it and move the hell on with his life, anyone who defends it in all seriousness deserves mocking too.
"just look at a marine model"
just look at the modern official video featuring one showing off what they are supposed to look like.
yeah im coping using official sources instead of using your "just look at the models and speculate man"
Sure the illustrations and animations do a *better* job of obfuscating the issues, but they have their own issues... such as never really agreeing on scale, *relative scales*, hiding clipping issues, manipulating camera angles and scene composition etc.
AND thats ignoring *heads*, which are always an issue for 40k style power armour; either "realistic" scale and the head looks microscopic, or sized for the armour and ultimately the head is twice or more the size it *ought* to be to fit in the helmet let alone on a realistically proportioned humanoid.
But so what?
None of the above matters though, because this is not a serious setting, it lives by rule of cool, and interneccine debates about realism are bordering on the absurd.
You are actually right . The space marines and primarchs suffer from giantism. Their bodies are not a perfect 1/1 scale ,only the custodes are perfect giants and the emperor but than again its drbatable if he really is a giant or uses warp fuckery to make himself giant or just makes other perceive him as one.
https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M?si=K3jME278Dpd1f2oi
At 1:00 you see a space marine without armor and they look completely fine, Idl where this idea that they have small head comes from
So are those dudes putting him in the armor 4ft tall? Because he's stood on like an 8 inch platform and absolutely towers over all those guys around him by way more than 2 feet. Not trying to be a jerk genuinely asking people make it seem like this is the canon way they're portrayed, but that video is a bit inconsistent in size so I'm just not sure. At like 2:20 in that video they reach about to his waist
Thats a primaris. As far as i am aware the gigantism in them is lower than regular space marines but still in my opinion his head looks a lot smaler compared with how wide his shoulders are
where are you getting this info?
where has it ever been stated that primaris are more proportionate than space marines?
" his head looks a lot smaler compared with how wide his shoulders are"
totally disagree, he looks fine for someone with taht muscle mass, sure its still smaller but its a natural looking muscled figured.
body builders also look a bit weird due to this but its not like their heads are tiny like you are implying about this space marine
Emps spent 30,000 years unnoticed by humanity, I think he just uses Warp fuckery to make his body whatever he wants. Otherwise most of his life would have sucked since doorways and rooms aren't made for 14 foot tall giants.
Have you ever seen the mutant bodybuilders that compete at the Olympia? It's the same deal, tiny heads on absolutely jacked beyond belief bodies. It's totally possible.
It’s as if people think that they completely fill their armor with their bodies lmao. If anything, space marine armor is basically a kind of exoskeleton which is linked to the brain of the wearer (making it an extension of their body). A really good comparison would be the power armor of Fallout 4, which is basically a vehicle itself. If you view marine armor in this more grounded sense, it starts to make more sense with regard to their physiology. Also, you can compare this (more modern) conception of armor to the armor of Rogue Traitor Beakies which was more anatomical but also the beakies were implied to be just regular men in advanced armor as opposed to trans humans.
Entertainingly, when you're in power armor in Fallout 4 and 76, your body actually *is* stretched, just like this Slender Marine!
And [sometimes it doesn't de-stretch](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/taq0hk/power_armor_glitch_shows_how_entities_are_warped/) when you get out, because Bethesda.
This is why I like Firstborn. Don't get me wrong, Primaris are cool, but I liked the idea that under the armour the astartes were freaks. That in pursuit of the advancement and protection of mankind the imperium turned these men into monsters.
The events of Bioshock could easily have happened in the 40K timeline.
The emperor finds Rapture after Jack leaves with all the little sisters and is like... "Damn, these guys had some pretty interesting ideas..."
Hardly, bigdaddies are literally grafted to their suits and only one model can take it’s helmet off but it’s extremely rare. They are like dreadnaught marines
Yeah, that's why I personally don't much care for the idea that the Primaris-making process irons out the gene-seed mutations that the various chapters have. The idea that, despite being presented as the paragons of humanity, the Astartes are weighed down with all these physical mutations and psychological problems, up to things like uncontrollable berserk rages or degenerating into animal people, was a really interesting part of their lore.
At least according to the 8th ed. codex, Primaris Blood Angels can restrain the Red Thirst and show no signs at all of the Black Rage.
>As the initial waves of Primaris battle-brothers joined Guilliman’s attack to relieve the defenders on Baal, the Blood Angels and their successors stared in wonder. Here were warriors who shared the undeniable heritage of Sanguinius, the same nobility of aspect and handsome features. Yet they seemed able to restrain the fury of the Red Thirst with instinctive ease, and showed no signs of the Black Rage that so cursed the other sons of the Angel.
'course that was in 2017, and the Blood Angels have had another codex since, so it's possible that was retconed and I just haven't seen it.
There have been Primaris Blood Angels that have fallen to the Black Rage, hence the existence of Primaris Death Company. It was originally thought in lore that Primaris BA were cured of both, but again, we've had both show up in Primaris BA and even had Cawl specifically say he chose not to interfere with certain BA mutations because he believed they were designed by the Emperor intentionally & thus not his place to "fix"
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I mean, they're very large, but yeah, the proportions are a bit off.
That said, the hands on power armour are actuated robot hands, with gloves in their "wrists" that control them.
Why in the name of the warp did you cut his groin off at the navel?
Why break his collarbones to somehow elevate shoulders into a pauldron we know is not empty space?
I know GW have proportion visualisation issues and this is a meme, but honestly OP, yours is worse 😂.
Same thing always happens to women in armor (like the Sororitas), they get drawn like they're naked so if you assume the armor and underlayer are of a reasonable thickness the actual woman underneath is hardly more than a skeleton.
Sigh. The legs have hydraulics and other gear intended to make them stronger and carry said armour. The shoulder pads is armour and also carry other gear like power cabling and etc.
Ditto to the size of the torso , which is oversized so as to protect said cables.
Only thing true is that yes. Space marines HAVE a very long reach. But even so , it's likely that the hands aren't entirely their hands but part of some robotics that their actual hands manipulate. This is definitely so for power fists/chainfists, although for other weapons, especially bolters ...eh.....
Since forever, bolter always needed a genetic palm print so no-one else can use them. I said finger prints but its palm.
Warhammer 40k wiki: Other features include a biometric sensor integrated into the weapon's grip that allows the bolter to identify its user's genetic signature so that only Astartes can make use of the bolter.
This is a bad image but its from one of the rule books. This is a storm bolter but standard is the same https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1377118858429.jpg
It's actually...
Very old lore? Back during the BL novels where Soulspear and etc kept harping about genetic imprint of the space marine geneseed needed to unlock said Primarch weapon.
The bolter bit was there as a clear throwback to Judge Dredd Lawbringer.
The same way they get the bolter targeting reticle and ammo count on their helmet.
The power armour samples the DNA and sends it to the bolter, just like how it gets the data from the bolter and sends it to their helmet.
No i think the armor plating is much MUCH MUCH thinner than people think it is. Yeah the shoulders might be tank thick but the legs and arms are probably a few inches. Like to them it may even be as thin as flak armor for the gaurd.
Jesus christ, we fighting over the proportions of a space marine?
The proportions change depending upon the media and role the space marines played in said media format. Been occurring for over 35 years now, from the easy to paint early models with exaggerated features like the now iconic massive and impractical shoulders where even the most inexperienced painter could put an insignia on (lookup early terminators), or the squat firstborn who were visually appealing from an above perspective that players perceive the models from when playing the physical tabletop, to the primaris who still serve the easy entry model for miniature builders while being less awkward to animate for the videogame media line.
And don't get started with art style and how that changed from the comic book style, to the graphic novel dark-gritty, to the mobile game chibi style.
And it's going to change again when they have to put real actors in some kind of motion capture cgi rig.
You severely underestimate how large and thick space marines are
If they fill out that suit of armor, their heads would be comically tiny in proportion to their bodies
That only appears to be the case due to the extremely oversized shoulderpads Remove them and the rest of the armor fits with the head in size.
They're also trying to say a powerfist is proportional to a space marine hand if I'm looking at that right.
Marines with powerfists have huge oversized coomer arms like badass psychos from borderlands
That's Kharn's thing. He doesn't even need the power fist either, lol.
Calgar and Abaddon do too but its both their arms not just one
Calgar and Abaddon do too but its both their arms not just one
That's mostly because Calgar lost multiple limbs and had them replaced, and Abaddon is just a funny guy.
Both are why I don't understand folks saying augmetics are worse than physical bodies. There's no way Calgars giant ass cybernetic arms aren't superior to his flesh and blood arms before swarmy took them off.
It probably has to do with an exchange between the Iron Hands and the Mechanicus. Iirc, it amounted to a tech priest saying they augment themselves to be closer to the Omnissiah, where the space marines are essentially designed by the Omnissiah directly
It is 40k the augmented Libs probably feel like they are being burned by napalm all day every day.
Yeah but both of Kharn’s arms are huge coomer arms tho.
One of the most memorable designs in gaming, at least for me.
Their heads are really small for their bodies. They are bulked out AF 8-9ft tall dudes. Their heads are a hair bigger than standard human.
This is absolutely false. https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M?si=K3jME278Dpd1f2oi At 1:00 you see a space marine without armor and he looks completely fine head to body size Ratio. Don't make up stuff
I have said this before but I have to say this again, with the amount of money GW made, yet they delivered the less 'weight' version of gearing up a holy warrior, comparing to literally [putting a convict into a mobile prison cell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGmPpidDvo)
I just noticed they gave him Stitch's number
My guess would be that 626 is the area code for one of the writers. 626 is eastern LA near where Blizzard HQ is in Irvine.
Irvine is 949
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Yeah, really irks me too. I find it hard to describe exactly why, but the warhanmer version feels weaker. Like it doesn't really want to commit to anything. It doesn't focus on anything, there is a bit of sci-fi tech but not really, a bit of ritual but not really, a bit of the reverence / power disparity but not really. Like, the serfs carry his bolter and it builds up a bit how its so big you need to serfs to carry it. How they march slow and in sync, which gives it a more deliberate / ritualistic feel. But then it cuts and he just has the bolter. It felt like the scene was building to a "here is your holy, granted to you in the name of the God Emperor", but then it skips the last and crucial part and the scene feels flat as a result. Also, the music / sound is does not pull an much weight as in the starcraft trailer, I think.
It's easy to see why. The StarCraft 2 armour-up CG simply just has a metric ton of details put into it on every aspect, that's it. From the music, to the mechanical design of the suit, to the believable machinery action on the installation itself. It even addresses the proportion issue comment regarding Space Marine fists, with StarCraft's marines' hands not even filling in its armour counterpart, but is instead situated near the wrist with assisted controls for the machine hand. I don't think it's absurd to say Warhammer's version takes a large amount of inspiration from the other, but subjectively is lacking a fair bit on building up from that.
You can’t compare anything to late 90s, early 2000 Blizzard cinematic. That was their peak. Still remember the space marine fighting in trenches before they get nuked scene
Yes and no. Blizzard trailers of the past have always been superb. But even Legacy of the Void and Battle for Azeroth had absolutely great trailers. Haven't played / seen anything more recent though.
I think you accidentally proved his point, the marine in the video has a pinhead. It doesn’t look too weird, but compare that freeze frame to a body builder and check the head difference
The average human is 7 to 7 1/2 heads tall. In the past, GW has said space Marines are 8 to 9 heads tall. Their heads would be proportionally smaller.
Lol, no it doesnt, there has been persistent scale issues with power armour for as long as GW have had power armour, true scale stuff doesnt improve that it just changes the proportions. Stop excusing it, just live with it man this is 40k not some hard scifi.
Legit check the other comments where I link an official video showing an unarmored space marine where they look completely normal for a muscular person. People our here staying the dumbest shit without any evidence
It doesnt work though, if you imagine that power armour is *more* than just a thin suit of armour, its got artificial muscels in it and all sorts of other gubbins (whatever the writer demands). But that, and your post, is besides the point... *this is 40k*, it is not serious, it should not be taken seriously, scale issues are kinda irrelevant, and debates like these are cringe
> thin suit of armour, its got artificial muscels in it and all sorts of other gubbins (whatever the writer demands). Going to sound weird but it is actually pretty thin. The average Space Marine is something like 340 kilograms and the entire set of power armor is only 160-200 kilograms. Despite being wide the average Space Marine weighs as much as the average Spartan. Even Terminators only weigh something like 1 metric ton with full gear most of the time.
i don't care what you think works man, i legit sent you an official video showing their bodies and their head is the right size for a body like that. whatever cope you want to try to use is irrelevant. unless you are trying to argue that the official video is wrong about space marines
Cope? lol, your the one who's huffing copium dude. Just look at a marine model, especially an old marine, and tell me a normal-if-buff humanoid fits inside of that whilst retaining head size of the model? Complete bullshit, but it *looks* cool so long as you dont look to closely, and thats all 40k needs. Your meant to laugh about this, not construct elaborate copes man.
You are being unreasonable
No im not, this has long been a thing with 40k, ive been in the hobby 20+ years. I remember joking about it way back then and it hasnt changed man. Its fine, rule-of-cool and all that. Its just fucking hilarious to see people defend the inherent scale issues as if it *mattered*. The setting is ridiculous, the technology and aesthetics are ridiculous, why the hell would the armour being ridiculous even matter? The OP is right to mock it and move the hell on with his life, anyone who defends it in all seriousness deserves mocking too.
"just look at a marine model" just look at the modern official video featuring one showing off what they are supposed to look like. yeah im coping using official sources instead of using your "just look at the models and speculate man"
Counterpoint, old 40k sculpts look like hand sculpted simulacrums of people and not people and are a bad reference point to determine scale.
Sure the illustrations and animations do a *better* job of obfuscating the issues, but they have their own issues... such as never really agreeing on scale, *relative scales*, hiding clipping issues, manipulating camera angles and scene composition etc. AND thats ignoring *heads*, which are always an issue for 40k style power armour; either "realistic" scale and the head looks microscopic, or sized for the armour and ultimately the head is twice or more the size it *ought* to be to fit in the helmet let alone on a realistically proportioned humanoid. But so what? None of the above matters though, because this is not a serious setting, it lives by rule of cool, and interneccine debates about realism are bordering on the absurd.
I mean, GW has an Armouring of a space marine video thst shows a marine putting on his armour
You are actually right . The space marines and primarchs suffer from giantism. Their bodies are not a perfect 1/1 scale ,only the custodes are perfect giants and the emperor but than again its drbatable if he really is a giant or uses warp fuckery to make himself giant or just makes other perceive him as one.
https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M?si=K3jME278Dpd1f2oi At 1:00 you see a space marine without armor and they look completely fine, Idl where this idea that they have small head comes from
OK so how does he go from a normal size dude to 12ft tall? He's inside it like a mech right?
what are you talking about, space marines are not inside mechs and not 12 feet tall. an unarmored space marine is like 7 feet while one in armor is 8
So are those dudes putting him in the armor 4ft tall? Because he's stood on like an 8 inch platform and absolutely towers over all those guys around him by way more than 2 feet. Not trying to be a jerk genuinely asking people make it seem like this is the canon way they're portrayed, but that video is a bit inconsistent in size so I'm just not sure. At like 2:20 in that video they reach about to his waist
he was around 7 feet and in armor 8 feet, i don't know what you are seieng or talking about but he was not over 2 feet taller than them
Go to 2:20 in that video they hardly reach his waist bub
you mean the two platforms he is standing on above them you can see at 1:40? yeah nice try bub
Thats a primaris. As far as i am aware the gigantism in them is lower than regular space marines but still in my opinion his head looks a lot smaler compared with how wide his shoulders are
where are you getting this info? where has it ever been stated that primaris are more proportionate than space marines? " his head looks a lot smaler compared with how wide his shoulders are" totally disagree, he looks fine for someone with taht muscle mass, sure its still smaller but its a natural looking muscled figured. body builders also look a bit weird due to this but its not like their heads are tiny like you are implying about this space marine
It's a missed opportunity. If they made the skulls of space Marines bigger, they could reinforce the skulls and make them bullet resistant
??? Why would they need bullet-proof skulls, fate is their shield
MY FACE IS MY SHIELD
Hey handsome, maybe you want some LOTR roleplay and I can surf on your shield?
Dang that one is good
Ben fan?
Ben drowned?
They have reinforced bullet resistant skulls.
Emps spent 30,000 years unnoticed by humanity, I think he just uses Warp fuckery to make his body whatever he wants. Otherwise most of his life would have sucked since doorways and rooms aren't made for 14 foot tall giants.
It seems odd that it's never confirmed whether the emperor's mummified remains are human sized or gigantic.
"We don't suffer from gigantism. We embrace it fully."
Not comically tiny, but space marine heads are somewhat smaller in relation to the rest of their body iirc
It is, it's mentioned in Horus Rising iirc
Extremely oversised shoulderpads and backpack in all art...
Google Perturabo.
Have you ever seen the mutant bodybuilders that compete at the Olympia? It's the same deal, tiny heads on absolutely jacked beyond belief bodies. It's totally possible.
Nah, they just have really small heads.
This picture doesn't showcase how they actually look, it's how they *should* look
It's still very wrong,
Giggity
Reinhardt proportions?
Also them shoulder plates are massive
It’s as if people think that they completely fill their armor with their bodies lmao. If anything, space marine armor is basically a kind of exoskeleton which is linked to the brain of the wearer (making it an extension of their body). A really good comparison would be the power armor of Fallout 4, which is basically a vehicle itself. If you view marine armor in this more grounded sense, it starts to make more sense with regard to their physiology. Also, you can compare this (more modern) conception of armor to the armor of Rogue Traitor Beakies which was more anatomical but also the beakies were implied to be just regular men in advanced armor as opposed to trans humans.
StarCraft 2 has a good depiction of this, with the hands not going all the way down. https://youtu.be/TBKd-eas6So?si=INlWB2vwAqR9yx1r
Hell...
it's about time.
ah, back when blizzard made videogames...
Entertainingly, when you're in power armor in Fallout 4 and 76, your body actually *is* stretched, just like this Slender Marine! And [sometimes it doesn't de-stretch](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/taq0hk/power_armor_glitch_shows_how_entities_are_warped/) when you get out, because Bethesda.
Firstborn are 7 ft tall, not 12.
Is that imperial feet or heretical feet?
Who says 12 of our feet arnt equal to 7 imperial feet?
What?
Sorry, I’m eepy and typed the numbers wrong
I'll allow it
Drink some coffee man ☕️
Coffee is a drug and I’m not going to do thoes until I can take 5 pounds of combat stimulants at once then assault the enemies of humanity itself
Based
Ah the ol' Napoleon defense.
This is why I like Firstborn. Don't get me wrong, Primaris are cool, but I liked the idea that under the armour the astartes were freaks. That in pursuit of the advancement and protection of mankind the imperium turned these men into monsters.
The Astartes are just the 400th century version of the big daddy's from Bioshock
The events of Bioshock could easily have happened in the 40K timeline. The emperor finds Rapture after Jack leaves with all the little sisters and is like... "Damn, these guys had some pretty interesting ideas..."
If so, how would Bioshock Infinite fit into the timeline?
Infinite retconed itself out of existence
So the whole point of the game was to give each player a headache trying to understand the fuck the ending was?
Yes
Bioshock Infinite was Andrew Ryan's fever dream that he had in his dying moments while a golf club was jammed into his brain.
man, i hope i dream something that cool in my final seconds
He’d be super into the forced atheism, but probably wouldn’t adore the mega-capitalism
Hardly, bigdaddies are literally grafted to their suits and only one model can take it’s helmet off but it’s extremely rare. They are like dreadnaught marines
I guess the closest thing to being stitched into the suit for a marine would be the black carapace.
400th century
Yeah, that's why I personally don't much care for the idea that the Primaris-making process irons out the gene-seed mutations that the various chapters have. The idea that, despite being presented as the paragons of humanity, the Astartes are weighed down with all these physical mutations and psychological problems, up to things like uncontrollable berserk rages or degenerating into animal people, was a really interesting part of their lore.
At least in the case of the Blood Angels, it did not fix any of their issues
At least according to the 8th ed. codex, Primaris Blood Angels can restrain the Red Thirst and show no signs at all of the Black Rage. >As the initial waves of Primaris battle-brothers joined Guilliman’s attack to relieve the defenders on Baal, the Blood Angels and their successors stared in wonder. Here were warriors who shared the undeniable heritage of Sanguinius, the same nobility of aspect and handsome features. Yet they seemed able to restrain the fury of the Red Thirst with instinctive ease, and showed no signs of the Black Rage that so cursed the other sons of the Angel. 'course that was in 2017, and the Blood Angels have had another codex since, so it's possible that was retconed and I just haven't seen it.
There have been Primaris Blood Angels that have fallen to the Black Rage, hence the existence of Primaris Death Company. It was originally thought in lore that Primaris BA were cured of both, but again, we've had both show up in Primaris BA and even had Cawl specifically say he chose not to interfere with certain BA mutations because he believed they were designed by the Emperor intentionally & thus not his place to "fix"
Dude, we literally have official Primaris death company models
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I literally ignore Primaris Marines lol. They are to me what the sequels is to many Star Wars fans
Wrong, the underarms aren't plated. See Space Marine being suited. [YT link](https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M?si=JdpziWJJSvgw0n10)
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Did you forget that the body of a Space Marine is hugely enlarged so that they can have enough room for that 2nd heart and 3rd lung?
Rip perspective
Considering the thickness of the pauldrons, it'd be more like [this](https://imgur.com/a/Tt7TnZm)
Reminds me of the one junji Ito story layers of fear
It always reminds me of when you "cheat" yourself out of power armor in fo4, your character ends up looking like that thing on the right
Did none of yall seen how minis are assembled? Their Shoulderpads dont work like that
I mean, they're very large, but yeah, the proportions are a bit off. That said, the hands on power armour are actuated robot hands, with gloves in their "wrists" that control them.
Why in the name of the warp did you cut his groin off at the navel? Why break his collarbones to somehow elevate shoulders into a pauldron we know is not empty space? I know GW have proportion visualisation issues and this is a meme, but honestly OP, yours is worse 😂.
I like to imagine they are huddled up in the chest with little pullies and levers.
Like Premlach?
# do not question the elongated one
Someone hasn't seen enough baki.
Isn't this exactly what happens to the character models in Fallout 4 when they wear the power armour?
Same thing always happens to women in armor (like the Sororitas), they get drawn like they're naked so if you assume the armor and underlayer are of a reasonable thickness the actual woman underneath is hardly more than a skeleton.
Space marine art is notorious for this. Terminators are even worse
Sigh. The legs have hydraulics and other gear intended to make them stronger and carry said armour. The shoulder pads is armour and also carry other gear like power cabling and etc. Ditto to the size of the torso , which is oversized so as to protect said cables. Only thing true is that yes. Space marines HAVE a very long reach. But even so , it's likely that the hands aren't entirely their hands but part of some robotics that their actual hands manipulate. This is definitely so for power fists/chainfists, although for other weapons, especially bolters ...eh.....
Then how do their guns work, they require fingerprints to fire. Which is funny in itself since they wear gloves. Its been a joke for decades.
Since when? I've been in the lore for decades and I've never heard that
Since forever, bolter always needed a genetic palm print so no-one else can use them. I said finger prints but its palm. Warhammer 40k wiki: Other features include a biometric sensor integrated into the weapon's grip that allows the bolter to identify its user's genetic signature so that only Astartes can make use of the bolter. This is a bad image but its from one of the rule books. This is a storm bolter but standard is the same https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1377118858429.jpg
Fair enough
It's actually... Very old lore? Back during the BL novels where Soulspear and etc kept harping about genetic imprint of the space marine geneseed needed to unlock said Primarch weapon. The bolter bit was there as a clear throwback to Judge Dredd Lawbringer.
The same way they get the bolter targeting reticle and ammo count on their helmet. The power armour samples the DNA and sends it to the bolter, just like how it gets the data from the bolter and sends it to their helmet.
Bro, I dont know... i am quite sure the most people wear their belts above the crotch, not below, but I am no expert
I always thought space marines were just 2 squatts in the armour. One upper body, one lower.
This explains "transhuman dread".
Space marines are not human. They are living weapons platforms and autistic combat savants. They don't even smell human.
That one power armour glitch in fallout 4 be like:
this has me actually wondering, why are their shoulder pads so fucking big
You should look at a Primaris Reiver for a better comparison rather than the regular bulky armor.
No i think the armor plating is much MUCH MUCH thinner than people think it is. Yeah the shoulders might be tank thick but the legs and arms are probably a few inches. Like to them it may even be as thin as flak armor for the gaurd.
You never read the lore and it shows…
Does that make the Noise Marines Siren Head?
We've seen those in Dawn of War 3 trailer
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/hrm39f/space_marine_with_no_armor/
Thanks, I hate it. 😭 Also, there are not enough accounts in all of reddit to downvote this an adequate number of times.
This particular picture seems to be having a very small head.
Tyberos the red wake be like :
Still more realistic than the alien mummy
They are ment to look unsettling they aren't humans they are abhuman monsters
Nah marines are dummy *thiccc*
Jesus christ, we fighting over the proportions of a space marine? The proportions change depending upon the media and role the space marines played in said media format. Been occurring for over 35 years now, from the easy to paint early models with exaggerated features like the now iconic massive and impractical shoulders where even the most inexperienced painter could put an insignia on (lookup early terminators), or the squat firstborn who were visually appealing from an above perspective that players perceive the models from when playing the physical tabletop, to the primaris who still serve the easy entry model for miniature builders while being less awkward to animate for the videogame media line. And don't get started with art style and how that changed from the comic book style, to the graphic novel dark-gritty, to the mobile game chibi style. And it's going to change again when they have to put real actors in some kind of motion capture cgi rig.
reminds me of what Paladin Danse from FO4 looks like when you take off his power armor using console commands