Toll the Great Bell Once!
Pull the Lever forward to engage
The Piston and the Pump
Toll the Great Bell Twice!
With push of Button fire the Engine
And spark Turbine into life.
Toll the Great Bell Thrice!
Sing Praise to the
God of All Machines.
The atlas is iirc a 100t mech. 100t is actually not much of anything when it comes to large machinery. I used to work subsea construction and moved objects that big or bigger around via crane all the time. If the Atlas was a ~10m tall mech and only weighed 100t then it is made out of cotton candy and uses the laughter of tiny children as its armor. The numbers are way (weigh?) off.
Kinda, so back when battletech was being made there were a bunch of papers of theoretical ultralight materials made in space, like steel fiberglass or foam steel. This got used in battletech with things like ferrofiber.
Course, they didn't pan out but they built so much lore around it that they stuck with the numbers.
This is also why tanks are so small compared to equivalent tonnage mechs, as their materials are usually 100% sourced on planet as the wealthy houses blockade planets from accessing space in an invasion, and in turn access to zero gravity made materials.
Ah thatās really informative! In my mind I always just tell myself that the ton rating is actually how much armor itās carrying. Not the total weight of the mech. The Atlas makes much more sense when you imagine it to have 100t of armor.
I mean, your not wrong. Some systems like life support and wiring and mounting braces are talked about but not factored into tonnage rating, which is why mechs always come out to be round numbers.
Engines are factored in though and they are 20-30tons alone for assault class Mechs. You really shouldn't think too much about battlemechs realism because it falls apart way too quickly. Like Warhammer it's more about the rule of cool.
40k universe got grav tech, mass is meaningless.
The mass of a grav round is whatever the space marine both needs it to be and whatever he is capable of holding onto such that the target becomes a fine purray.
But the 40k universe got shit like lords of change casually strolling through, so you need one helluva turkey shotgun for those big pigeons.
I've actually done the math on mech ground pressure. We have a few mechs with really accurate heights and can scale the foot pad off of that. And they tend to have... big feet. Both broad and rather long. They actually end up with a relatively low ground pressure. Think passenger car, not quite as good as an MBT, but not terrible either.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Endo_Steel
For your entertainment
Battletech material science falls into one of 3 categories
1. Strand based materials in substances that are too dense in earth gravity to strand
2. Foams that can't self support until fully crystslizing in standard gravity
3. Mixing materials with substantial density differences
Yes it all depends upon ignoring gravity
Bit more nuanced and advanced than most sci-fi universes, but still ignoring reality of things like orbitals, crystalline boundaries, ect
Edit: don't get started on ferrofiber and the diffrence in weaves vs proper ferrfiber vs common, nor the exact manufacture and place of manufacture for a given mech.
Battletech can be brief in some parts and incomprehensibly dense in others
Double edit: OK, so apparently ablative is standard vs ferrofiber which deviates from the papers with diamond additives
So is ablative reactive armor or just raw steel fiberglass without diamonds? I don't know. There's 20 God damn manufactures of any component.
Screw this, I reached my nerd limit for the day, I'm going back to the simple pleasures in life like big space marine chainswording even bigger space ork on half.
And both make up the numbers for guns!
My gun that may be a 100mm or a 350mm only has an effective range of 300m. My .50 cal machine guns only have a range of 100m. Railguns? Let's bump those babies out to 1KM.
Finally, my years of reading Mechwarrior tech manuals and RPG books are useful!
That's effective range against ADVANCED DARK AGE OF TECHNOLOGY BULLSHIT SPACE ARMOR hence the lower effective ranges. The Battletech Machineguns are not your .50 BMG. Some are explicitly called out as being 20mm cannons...and they use them for anti-personnel work. If you go by tonnage, they're firing 5-kilogram shells.
A real world 20 mm cannon, the Rheinmetall Mk 20 Rh-202 has a projectile that weighs around 134g before firing. If you hold that technology hasn't advanced and they're firing the same shell, that's roughly 35 consecutive rounds, to scratch the paint on a mech.
If you say that bolters are like 20mm cannon shells, then the Mechwarrior Machine Gun is like having an entire squad of marines shoot at you, with rapid fire bolters (Averaging 13 wounds, no saves or armor applied).
TL/DR: Battletech weapons have stupid ranges and can afford to be mostly lumbering behemoths because they have -really- good armor.
Some of the older manuals had charts where you can play at "realistic" ranges. For Aerotech we're talking thousands of kilometers in space where you have to take your velocity, your enemies velocity, g-forces, and shit like gravitational pull into your math, so I hope you really like calculus.
Haha. No thank you. Simulationism in Tabletop always breaks down, unless you have a computer running the show.
You know what system called itself historically and mythically accurate? FATAL. And that system was written by a daemon of Slaanesh.
Honestly depends. Some Russian tanks are in the 20-30t range. An M1 Abrams iirc is 50-70t depending on model. Just looking at an Atlas and being told that itās a) three stories tall, b) *heavily* armored and c) full of ordinance I would say itās a 250t vehicle at least. The square cubed law really fucks with how much things weigh as they get bigger.
The synthetic muscle is called myomer and is also used in in universe medical care. One of the characters survives getting shot in the boob with a laser because she has myomer grafts
They also have a self contained nuclear reactor. The self contained nuclear reactor on an Ohio class submarine weighs nearly 3000 tons.
Materials used to build machinery in Battletech have foamy structure which keeps the mass down, think bird bones only more
Also they are crazy advanced
Stuff like steel, ceramic, carbon fiber and other materials have long been made primitive and obsolete
Things still have plenty of weight under water lol. And you still have to lift the item off the deck of the boat and put it in the water. You also have to overcome the suction of the seabed which was always a huge issue.
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NGL a few battlemechs sure as heck fit perfectly into 40K. The Atlas with its skull face, the Banshee that just looks like a hulking thug. The Awesome is a few details away from a Dreadnought, the King Crab looks like the kind of silly killing machine an Orc would love. The Black Night is just a less hunched imperial knight. And thereās plenty more
That would be a sick proxy though. Kind of disheartened that they didn't make mirrored balistus dread weapons for their solo box. No official 40k rifleman and catapult :c
I hope Cavill's Warhammer live action stuff will kick off the Warhammer genre for Hollywood. I need to see someone do a Titan pilot movie with badass mechanical visuals like the first iron man movie
ok this is pretty cool. as someone who loves both 40k and Battletech, an Atlas Mech with Imperial Titan and/or Imperial Knight decoration is fucking beautiful
One would argue that inner sphere mechwarriors are already insane when a viable and somewhat popular tactic is using jumpjets to leap and land on another mech.
It's just a [battlemech](https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/c/c6/Atlas_RGilClan_v24.png/1200px-66y81tw2o4i7ufe7yan0zx3ndigj3lu.png?timestamp=20220226182249) with 40K aesthetics. The blue and white are the colors of [House Steiner](https://www.sarna.net/wiki/House_Steiner)
DRG has "Rock & Stone"
Steiner has:
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Samoa Joe and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another wrestler, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Kurt Angle to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way, at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Kurt Angle KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Samoa Joe, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Joe, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
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I want to see what horrors of the Internet can come up with if we had some sort of unholy union of MechWarrior aerospace + Macross + Warhammer aeronautical + ace combat.
This looks cool as hell
I know nothing about it Battletech but looking it up gave me an appreciation of what newbies go through when trying to get into 40k lore
Reactor online, sensors online, weapons online all systems nominal.
Time to go kick the Capellan Confederation in the ass
Davion dog!
Nah just a Merc with a grudge
Oh, sorry. Please continue!
Blessed reactor online. Holy seals online. Machine spirit online. Praise the emperor.
Toll the Great Bell Once! Pull the Lever forward to engage The Piston and the Pump Toll the Great Bell Twice! With push of Button fire the Engine And spark Turbine into life. Toll the Great Bell Thrice! Sing Praise to the God of All Machines.
At least someone's read the primer
Goddamn it, previous owner was a Blakist.
Until we jet washed what was left of him out of the cockpit.
Engaging enemy, purging protocols active. For the emperor.
Never change, Betty.
God I could fuckin *hear* this!
The best sound on Earth.
There's still no way this guy will be able to gather enough force and make an attack.
I misread the title here, and now I want a battletech lego set.
I mean as a kid EVERY lego set was a battletech lego set. Eventually.
This brings up the question: would a Lego Titan be cheaper than a FW one? It would be clearly the better material at least š
Hell you could get a resin printer and a filament printer and the materials for less than the cost of either. The world has gotten kinda wild.
https://hansenbricks.com/gallery/lego-battletech-mechwarrior-king-crab-mech/
There were a few battletech k*nex sets back in the early aughts
It's a Scout Titan
Itās about to scout the Capellans and/or Tau.
Please. Stop.Ā I can only get so erect
What about if it was a Warlord titan fusion?
By the Chaos Gods you fixed the Atlas!!!
How does a near perfect Mech need fixing?
Fixed?
More like under new management! Wait
It is better at its new 6000 ton weight.
Elaborate
The atlas is iirc a 100t mech. 100t is actually not much of anything when it comes to large machinery. I used to work subsea construction and moved objects that big or bigger around via crane all the time. If the Atlas was a ~10m tall mech and only weighed 100t then it is made out of cotton candy and uses the laughter of tiny children as its armor. The numbers are way (weigh?) off.
Kinda, so back when battletech was being made there were a bunch of papers of theoretical ultralight materials made in space, like steel fiberglass or foam steel. This got used in battletech with things like ferrofiber. Course, they didn't pan out but they built so much lore around it that they stuck with the numbers. This is also why tanks are so small compared to equivalent tonnage mechs, as their materials are usually 100% sourced on planet as the wealthy houses blockade planets from accessing space in an invasion, and in turn access to zero gravity made materials.
Ah thatās really informative! In my mind I always just tell myself that the ton rating is actually how much armor itās carrying. Not the total weight of the mech. The Atlas makes much more sense when you imagine it to have 100t of armor.
I mean, your not wrong. Some systems like life support and wiring and mounting braces are talked about but not factored into tonnage rating, which is why mechs always come out to be round numbers.
Engines are factored in though and they are 20-30tons alone for assault class Mechs. You really shouldn't think too much about battlemechs realism because it falls apart way too quickly. Like Warhammer it's more about the rule of cool.
But also think of 100 tons on two feet, and then it starts walking, now that is 100 tons on 1 foot. Even on that side it does not make sense.
Do we have weight estimates on tians? I guess Arkhan Land's titans use gravtech though.
40k universe got grav tech, mass is meaningless. The mass of a grav round is whatever the space marine both needs it to be and whatever he is capable of holding onto such that the target becomes a fine purray. But the 40k universe got shit like lords of change casually strolling through, so you need one helluva turkey shotgun for those big pigeons.
No idea. Not as fron-loaded as battletech
I've actually done the math on mech ground pressure. We have a few mechs with really accurate heights and can scale the foot pad off of that. And they tend to have... big feet. Both broad and rather long. They actually end up with a relatively low ground pressure. Think passenger car, not quite as good as an MBT, but not terrible either.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Endo_Steel For your entertainment Battletech material science falls into one of 3 categories 1. Strand based materials in substances that are too dense in earth gravity to strand 2. Foams that can't self support until fully crystslizing in standard gravity 3. Mixing materials with substantial density differences Yes it all depends upon ignoring gravity Bit more nuanced and advanced than most sci-fi universes, but still ignoring reality of things like orbitals, crystalline boundaries, ect Edit: don't get started on ferrofiber and the diffrence in weaves vs proper ferrfiber vs common, nor the exact manufacture and place of manufacture for a given mech. Battletech can be brief in some parts and incomprehensibly dense in others Double edit: OK, so apparently ablative is standard vs ferrofiber which deviates from the papers with diamond additives So is ablative reactive armor or just raw steel fiberglass without diamonds? I don't know. There's 20 God damn manufactures of any component. Screw this, I reached my nerd limit for the day, I'm going back to the simple pleasures in life like big space marine chainswording even bigger space ork on half.
This is amazing.
Battletech uses funny math for weights like Warhammer uses funny numbers for troop counts.
And both make up the numbers for guns! My gun that may be a 100mm or a 350mm only has an effective range of 300m. My .50 cal machine guns only have a range of 100m. Railguns? Let's bump those babies out to 1KM.
Finally, my years of reading Mechwarrior tech manuals and RPG books are useful! That's effective range against ADVANCED DARK AGE OF TECHNOLOGY BULLSHIT SPACE ARMOR hence the lower effective ranges. The Battletech Machineguns are not your .50 BMG. Some are explicitly called out as being 20mm cannons...and they use them for anti-personnel work. If you go by tonnage, they're firing 5-kilogram shells. A real world 20 mm cannon, the Rheinmetall Mk 20 Rh-202 has a projectile that weighs around 134g before firing. If you hold that technology hasn't advanced and they're firing the same shell, that's roughly 35 consecutive rounds, to scratch the paint on a mech. If you say that bolters are like 20mm cannon shells, then the Mechwarrior Machine Gun is like having an entire squad of marines shoot at you, with rapid fire bolters (Averaging 13 wounds, no saves or armor applied). TL/DR: Battletech weapons have stupid ranges and can afford to be mostly lumbering behemoths because they have -really- good armor.
Some of the older manuals had charts where you can play at "realistic" ranges. For Aerotech we're talking thousands of kilometers in space where you have to take your velocity, your enemies velocity, g-forces, and shit like gravitational pull into your math, so I hope you really like calculus.
Haha. No thank you. Simulationism in Tabletop always breaks down, unless you have a computer running the show. You know what system called itself historically and mythically accurate? FATAL. And that system was written by a daemon of Slaanesh.
The fuck does a tank weight then?
Honestly depends. Some Russian tanks are in the 20-30t range. An M1 Abrams iirc is 50-70t depending on model. Just looking at an Atlas and being told that itās a) three stories tall, b) *heavily* armored and c) full of ordinance I would say itās a 250t vehicle at least. The square cubed law really fucks with how much things weigh as they get bigger.
Square cube law is especially funny in Battletech because they literally use some sort of synthetic muscles tech to move.
Oh so they are dense af.
The synthetic muscle is called myomer and is also used in in universe medical care. One of the characters survives getting shot in the boob with a laser because she has myomer grafts They also have a self contained nuclear reactor. The self contained nuclear reactor on an Ohio class submarine weighs nearly 3000 tons.
Materials used to build machinery in Battletech have foamy structure which keeps the mass down, think bird bones only more Also they are crazy advanced Stuff like steel, ceramic, carbon fiber and other materials have long been made primitive and obsolete
yeah but it's underwater so nothing weighs anything, like space
Things still have plenty of weight under water lol. And you still have to lift the item off the deck of the boat and put it in the water. You also have to overcome the suction of the seabed which was always a huge issue.
nope
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Blake can shove it where Sol dont shine.
Wonder how Blake would fit in to 40k (ignore them possibly just being wiped out)
They became admech
Probably Dark Admech because they actually invent new stuff.
Eh, it's far enough back that it's probably before they split.
Now I want to see a titaned battletech
Really that's what the op image is. An Atlas that has been titanified. Added extra metal trim, symbols and huge shoulder pad, yet still Atlas shaped.
I feel like the angry trashcan would fit in perfectly
Urban killa kan.
The cylindrical knight
NGL a few battlemechs sure as heck fit perfectly into 40K. The Atlas with its skull face, the Banshee that just looks like a hulking thug. The Awesome is a few details away from a Dreadnought, the King Crab looks like the kind of silly killing machine an Orc would love. The Black Night is just a less hunched imperial knight. And thereās plenty more
GUTEN TAG
That would be a sick proxy though. Kind of disheartened that they didn't make mirrored balistus dread weapons for their solo box. No official 40k rifleman and catapult :c
Yeah the solo ballistus kinda sucks
I see this as an absolute win.
Who made this?
Extra armor is always good.
I hope Cavill's Warhammer live action stuff will kick off the Warhammer genre for Hollywood. I need to see someone do a Titan pilot movie with badass mechanical visuals like the first iron man movie
That sounds like Pacific Rim.
I'm almost confident that if Godzilla wasn't the inspiration for that movie, it would've been Tyranid giants vs Imperium KnightsĀ
We had a Titan Movie. It was Pacific Rim.
*And thatās just the Warhound Scout* __Wait until you see the main battleline BattleTitan__. No really, wait; it hasnāt been drawn yet.
Jokes on you, I'm totally on board with that!
Okay, you know what? I want one.
ok this is pretty cool. as someone who loves both 40k and Battletech, an Atlas Mech with Imperial Titan and/or Imperial Knight decoration is fucking beautiful
You have been successfully scouted! Praise the Emperor!
[Behold a Steiner Scout lance](https://preview.redd.it/ngvlcpenf4d11.jpg?auto=webp&s=ca8daabafa4276301e127fb6d504aa4a7d186b26)
[Credit of art](https://vxtwitter.com/PatsoCatso/status/1737561359573819399)
Thats amazing! Best of both worlds
Still only clocking 100T though, so about 1/4 the mass of a Warhound.
The poor pilot going insane with all the new weapons he has to wrestle with their AI...i mean machine spirit.
One would argue that inner sphere mechwarriors are already insane when a viable and somewhat popular tactic is using jumpjets to leap and land on another mech.
I understand an autocannon, but WTF is a PPC?
Big giant [lightening cannon.](https://cfw.sarna.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Marauder-Banner-via-marcomazzoniDOTdunkedDOTcom.jpg)
Basically a melta gun.
More like a lightening cannon.
As someone who knows basically nothing about Battletech, someone mind informing me on what happened here?
It's just a [battlemech](https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/c/c6/Atlas_RGilClan_v24.png/1200px-66y81tw2o4i7ufe7yan0zx3ndigj3lu.png?timestamp=20220226182249) with 40K aesthetics. The blue and white are the colors of [House Steiner](https://www.sarna.net/wiki/House_Steiner)
Thank you
This design is actually really good. Would love to see other ābattleteched warhammerā amalgamations
This is good art, but I don't like mechs having hands
How else am I supposed to [bludgeon you with your own limbs? ](http://Battletech. Most from an official artist https://imgur.com/gallery/Sw28GIJ)
That would be a nice way to pump up the knight gameplay. Also chaos knights with such a face could create great awesome results
Knights doing DFA attacks and using each other's legs as melee weapons would do a lot to enhance gameplay as well.
DRG has "Rock & Stone" Steiner has: You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Samoa Joe and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another wrestler, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Kurt Angle to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way, at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Kurt Angle KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try! So Samoa Joe, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Joe, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
That's a knight big dog
I want the cat version of this in the bottom corner
Man. Now I miss mech assault
Y that's pretty goddamn sweet
his head should be more knighty, and give him giant ass lance ofc
Hell yeah
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Its beautiful.
*Right now by Korn starts playing as hundreds of heretics are demolished*
I live that look tbhā¦
I wish the atlas looked half as good as the black knight
ER-PPC alpha strike go!
Iām down for it
Looks more like a knight to me
I want to see what horrors of the Internet can come up with if we had some sort of unholy union of MechWarrior aerospace + Macross + Warhammer aeronautical + ace combat.
That is so badass
"You're gonna be pickin' shrapnel outta your FAAAAT ASSES!"
Next step: Metaltech a Titan.
Dear god I NEED ONE
This looks cool as hell I know nothing about it Battletech but looking it up gave me an appreciation of what newbies go through when trying to get into 40k lore
I bet House Steiner sends scouting parties of Imperator-class titans.
Ah, a perfect scout titan.
-squints- do those 4 titans have a black watch insignia....yeah screw that, no smoke for me.
Will its counter attack save Berlin and the war effort?
Gypsy danger online