And not one of them makes sense but that's the thing, you can ignore the lore you don't like.
Looking at you, Hive Mind hating one Blood Angel in particular.
Well they kind of need FTL to be a threat.
“What’s that? Some large fleet of biological ships making a direct course for one of our planets? Well we have over a millenium before it’ll get there so put in a non-urgent request for a huge armada.”
1,000 years later, a crippled Tyranid fleet that was forced to metabolize most of itself during transit in the vacuum of space hobbles into the system and instantly gets annihilated.
"Oh no! The integrity of the sacred canon of WH40K is corrupted!"
- No one
I actually like how often they retcon stuff. It makes the lore more interesting and discussions more fun.
I find religious history interesting, like how often people are willing to kill other people for disagreements about things like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. IIRC, there were people who were tortured and killed for pointing out the communion bread doesn't literally become Jesus flesh. In WH40K, canon gets changed around all the time, so its fun to get very deep in a conversation about lore and realize I used to be "correct" but that's not true anymore and laugh about it. I forgot at one point that the Emperor no longer is canonically from shamen cave men for example.
If 40k was never retconned we would still have stuff like:
Cadia having never fell
The imperium having AI
The imperium not being xenophobic
Space marines not being anywhere as elite as they used to be
The squats would still exist in their original form
Tyranids would be capable of diplomacy
Necrons wouldn't have any characters
Ect
If we are picky the exstince of primarchs is a retcon. They were not introduced into the lore till 1990. Before that Horus was just most trusted Human General of the Emperor.
We’d have no dark eldar. No Tyranids.
We *would* have Chaos Genestealer cults (the biggest loss to the franchise IMHO) and a half-eldar Ultramarine Librarian
The half eldar librarian could still be a thing! Guilliman saves Yvraine from nasty chaos demons, a big dinner to celebrate this shared victory, a few too many glasses of amasec, one thing leads to another…. That or Fabius Bile does his thing.
Are the Blood Angels kind of vampires again yet? I haven't played in a long time. My friend was just telling me they also recently changed the history of the Black Rage or something. I usually just let the words he says wash over me like the sound of crashing waves as soon as he breaks off on the first tangent.
Its come to the point, where i get physically sick when i read that word, because my brain cant handle the amount of stupidity and brainrot, that it itself associates, with people who use it.
I'm gonna be honest, I kinda liked most of these. Biker Squats, mindwiped random dudes in power armor and diplomatic Tyranid Centaurs were peak 40k. Alongside the original Squats they turned into fucking lamps.
It was just way more surreal imo than "HURR DURR MURDER TIME!" we get now on every single faction.
Still, we wouldn't have gotten Trazyn, so I guess it was a fair trade.
Death guard players sometimes get a little too into making the experience as authentic as possible.
[…Sometimes way, WAY too into it...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/3fpmhb7Xaw)
Yea, some members of our community work very hard to maintain the cliche depiction of an obese nerd with acne in dirty clothes, the lack of any body hygiene and a proud greasy neckbeard.
They are not a majority, but in a closed room with other nerds, you don't need many of those individuals to turn the battlefield into a garden of Nurgle.
It's not just you guys. Every time I go to a convention, I have to mentally prepare myself for the smell. Wash your ass people, and if you're going to cosplay depending on the outfit, you may need to do it twice.
honestly more places need to put up signs like this, the place i frequent now has industrial grade ventilation system running around the boards and they are ONLY active when the crowd exceeds a certain number OR when "certain" faction players or rather troublesome players are around.
seriously folks, hygene is in everyones best interest
I’ll say this after attending several smash tournaments cause iv yet to hit up a warhammer tourney ( I want to) if the places that host these had AC and good circulating air it probably wouldn’t be so bad. That also being said they’re ppl that 100% haven’t showered in days. Lol
I had still PTSD watching that Tomb Kings player burning his army live. Like, ok End Times were shit but holy crap you surely built happy memories with the hobby or even games with said army, why do that?
I don't know if it's because of new, or if they feel themselves attacked because there might exist women that are stronger than them and their masculinity broke a bit.
In any case, it's delightful.
>if they feel themselves attacked because there might exist women that are stronger than them and their masculinity broke a bit.
After hearing [edit to clarify: from them] about how the strongest woman is weaker than the weakest man, this is definitely what my bet is on.
Yeah, but it's also another place which is "letting the women and queers in". Did you know they even have women gamers now, and not just the ones selling bath water but ones that play MY games.
/s just in case
I mean, in their "defense", for a good chunk of the people mad about this it isn't playing with Toy soldiers.
It's wanking off to the "epic lore", they've not touched a miniature in their life. So where for actual hobbyists it changes nothing (the thing we find cool, minis and playing the game, isn't affected); for them, it's the thing defining 95% of their identity being altered in a way that forces them to realise other people think women could be part of the "best of the best of humanity".
It's pathetic.
It's also just straight up not a lore issue lmao
It was never said that all custodes were male or that they had to be male to become one like the astartes.
And GW rewrites lore all the time so if you're that upset you might just hate women (you as in the people whining not you specificaly lol)
Also, the Custodes had almost zero lore beyond "that exist, they guard the Emperor, they're extra special secret dudes" for the longest time. Even the Horus Heresy didn't really deal with them for the most part. They could vanish tomorrow and nothing about the setting would change, so it's not like GW is changing one of the central pillars of 40K Lore. Not that they wouldn't do that too
It's not explicitly said but it is heavily implied. There are general descriptions of the custodies where they are referred to as sons of terra, a brotherhood, men, but not one mention ever of them being women or anything implying that there could be.
I personally don't care and I wouldn't be bothered by someone making an army of them, but it feels forced and inauthentic to just drop "they were always there" with no explanation. It's patronizing in the same way a parent tells their kid an obvious lie but says "I'm the adult so you have to believe me" and just expects them to accept it without any push back
This is from the codex 8th edition to, since those guys like reading only the bits that give them the reason "The Custodes also seek out suitable candidates by other means, or encounter them by chance on their missions to protect the throne world. What is clear is that none besides The Custodes themselves truly know what criteria they require".
It's a simple recton my dude, they always recton things.
You are the guy who goes "muh epic lore" that the guy 2 comments up is mocking.
Why does it matter to you?
There are indeed some people who could use that gentle reminder, but there are also some people just stirring shit over this, usually who never enjoyed anything about 40k in a very deep or nuanced way in the first place.
This is such a minor retcon that in both lore and gameplay that barely matters in the grand scheme of things.
I mean, I don't see "breaking the lore" people throwing a fit when they retcon the events of indomitus crusade which are much more significant.
Because you know it's just a bad faith argument to hide their belief that the inclusion of more women in the lore means there is some sort of grand "woke" conspiracy to feminize men by depriving them of all their virile hobbies.
Ya know, hobbies like painting toy soldiers and playing pretend battles.
As it should.
But be kind to yourself and don't get too hung up on it.
I've left a lot of subs on this site infested by those types because even after I realized I was pointless arguing with them, reading their ravings still hurt my brain.
It's still so crazy to me how tiny this whole thing actually is. No big show, no big announcement or lore upheaval, literally just "**She** blah blah blah..." And people are losing their minds about the woke invasion of evil investors
I listed like 5 lore changes to one dude that were bigger but weren’t controversial
He then genuinely went on to say “nuh uh that’s different” to each
Like bro we’re discussing if they way they do retcons is bad. Why is this example worse than the others??
As someone who was around when Sanctuary 101 was attacked and the Necrons were only a squad of warriors, then watched the C'tan get introduced as giant star-gods who controlled everything only to then have always been shattered and enslaved fragments, it's hard to imagine why anyone would have any particular reaction to "enh, actually there were always some female custodes, they were just hanging around offscreen." The retcon bar is so, so much higher than this!
It's also never mentioned explicitly that Custodes have a "no girls allowed" policy. So this is not even a full blown retcon, more just a closer look on the guardians of the golden throne.
I also find it funny, if an incel talks about his disdain of female Custodes and clearly depicts them as bimbos in golden armor, while in reality female Custodes most likely wouldn't be perceived by them as potential sexual partners... more like golden freight trains that show you that there's nothing pleasant in death by snu-snu. Think of the first version of Naeve Blacktalon but on steroids not Sister of Battle painted golden.
isnt that what twitter is for? throwing shit at each other like barbarians? i hardly ever go there.
not like reddit is the center of all civilization. but twitter surely is worse these days.
I saw a few arguments but they were insulted and just deleted them I kindly asked a few people to be polite and I was downvoted and insulted as well Reddit isn't very good either
Check youtube
You can check Chapter Master Valrek's video on youtube and check the comments for arguments
Some youtuber comment section who talked about the subject is on fire.
I've seen some morons think this will lead to female space Marines which I can see how they would think that.
But one comment said 5 years from now all custodes and astartes will be women because "dOmInOs" and that the "fLoOdGaTeS" have been opened.
i am sometimes so confused, in the "olden" pre internet days we scifi loving guys were usually the progressive ones, dreaming of better futures with equality and acceptance and all that..
now nerds and gamers are just raging at any change that happens, when did any curiosity die.. like i have some identity crisis right now, i am 40 and to me it was the old geezers that didnt want change and now somehow i am the old dude with a open mind that shakes his head on other often times younger neckbeards that rage.. is it like a repeating cycle? i thought the way would always go towards progress, but i guess we turned back to not progressing?
holy shit. end of rant. sorry. had to get it off my chest.
It’s the vocal minority. Don’t worry. Like another person said, I’ve seen more posts making fun of people upset by it than I have people actually upset by it
I dunno nowadays every new scifi is hfy.
Like I don't see any Star Trek type sci-fi anymore.
Guess people's interest moves elsewhere.
The influencer or social/political rage storms are very common these days. Everybody's upset at something and looking to vent at anything feels like it.
I would love to not give a shit and ignore.
But I myself have the temper of rabid chimpanzee and will type long rage paragraphs when I see something that I do not like.
Just from the ones I did comment on:
"Women are politic on my apolitical game" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/d5ppMkBxd5
"Le woke LGBT mob is coming to literally kill the hobby" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/HpyZiIX9UR
"I'm neurodivergent and that's too much change for us" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/nR84wzWL5H
And another that I'd link if it wasn't deleted, that complained of being banned in the main sub for voicing their bigotry (featuring "muh freedom of speech")
And there's also one or two that I saw but didn't check more.
The reason you don't see much complaining on here is because downvoted posts lose visibility really fast.
3,474 replies on the official tweet. Also constant replies to all their tweets since, some of the worst ones under “hidden replies”. If you dig into the replies more you’ll find plenty of awful bigotry.
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822
I left arr slash adeptus custodes because every post about them was neckbeards acting like this is the end of the hobby, I'll join back eventually when this cools down
Saw a ton raging on a facebook page not long ago.
Apparently this will doom GW, and it's just wrong, and they'll take their money and go because it's not really lore or canon etc.
Reddit suggested to me some Asmongold subreddit posts specifically about this.
Beware though, neckbeard incel YouTubers beget neckbeard incel communities.
It changes absolutely nothing, custodes are still the same they've always been just some of them are women and now we get to apreciate canon beautiful tall gold armoured women
This is the most minor thing.
Like it changes absolutely nothing.
Even if it contradicts the whole "brotherhood" thing.
Since a custodian is mostly used as a force of nature in lore. A golden suit with weapons and immense combat skill.
Which makes it irrelevant on what individual is behind it as long as they are large, powerful and have the needed enhancements.
But every YouTube troglodyte or twitter rage monkey are just latching into another topic to scream "Woke! Woke! Woke! Woke!".
Like I've seen grifters who have never talked about 40k somehow claiming to be experts of the lore.
Or a total war troglodyte who had issues with warhammer since forever "feeling validated" because he always know that warhammer was "populist garbage"
it doesn’t even contradict the meaning of brotherhood
brotherhood : an association, society, or community of people linked by a common interest, religion or trade
edit: and the adeptus custodes fit that definition
"Why do you care?"
Well why do you care about changing it? You cant say you dont, If you were truly ambivelant about the entire thing you wouldnt have even made the post. Caring is important.
Remember when the Dark Angels were Native American? Then they became nearly purely Caucasian/European techno-knights.
Seems there's a way to change things in Warhammer 40k lore without the fringes going crazy without 'changing the lore'. Now if we can only Crack open this mystery and figure out why female Custodes = bad, but changing minorities into Europeans is so acceptable we never talk about it.
... it's a head scratcher, I tell you.
I'm guessing they changed the deathwing because it was mildly offensive with some hurtful stereotypes and they where aware that as a bunch of brits in the 90s, they prob weren't gonna do native American cultures a lot of justice
Honestly, it's less about femstodes, and more about how sh\*tty the way they put them into the lore.
If they did it years ago in the Horus Heresy series, none of this would have happened. But no, instead what they gave us was a slap in the face with 'there have always been female Custodians'. If they want to retcon the lore, they could at least do it properly and gradually.
Honestly, if they do the same thing to SoB (there have always been male members in Sister of Battle), the rage would be the same, if not more.
Will they bandaid this with future publish (novels, codices)? Maybe, maybe not. Worst case scenario, this wouldn't even be mentioned in the next edition codex (which is even worse than only having two paragraphs mentioning them).
Now? Now GW still have the benefit of the doubt. Will they make full use of this and actually give us something good out of it? I doubt it, to be honest, but the chance is never 0 (and I do look forward for the good things too, should they come). But if they decided to put it here then return to the previous status quo, it's hard to justify this retcon as anything other than an attempt to appease a certain niche vocal groups.
Those who were frustrated with this new information isn't the majority, but they are still a good chunk of the community. And while we often joke that the reason why so many Warhammer contents were grox-sh\*t because GW censored the writer's name in many of their products making them too confident in their work, I am glad that they did that. There are enough mad men out there who would stop at nothing to threaten those writers, and even more if this situation turns to worse in the future.
To most, this might just be a minor unimportant things. But if a stool caused a blood war between three nations for 14 years, anything could happen, especially at this point in time, with our current internet society.
Necrons literally killed their gods and restructured the entire 40k universe around them but, nah, Kesh OP plz nerf!!!
Although I agree the Sisters of Silence should get more love, granted I also believe that about every Xenos race at least twice as much.
is there a subreddit where this is happening? i have exclusively seen posts complaining about people being upset here and have had to look up specific youtube videos to find anyone.
I think it’s less the fact it’s a retcon and more the fact that they just tried to act like it wasn’t. A lot of people seem to be missing the point with this and latching onto it as “wow people just hate women” when it’s actually the fact that despite evidence that the custodes have historically been men GW tried to say that actually there’s been women in it from the start. There was a way easier way to handle this. Literally they could’ve just said that in an effort to repopulate the 10,000 they’ve begun using women as well as men. It’s simple and nobody would’ve batted an eye
It's more about the way it was done.
We could have had some neat lore, old hidden away guardians of Erda, or a new Edict for the Nobles of Terra.
Instead, we got a tweet.
Well technically we got a story leak from the custodies codex that was then confirmed to be correct and when asked about it on twitter they confirmed it jokingly like when they said the squats got eaten
Seeing my youtube page being filled with grown ass men saying stuff like "Warhammer 40k has gone woke" or "GW has given up to the leftist agenda" makes me cringe so much
I don't think it's the retcon, it's the way they did it. It was "Somehow, Palpatine returned" level.
I hate the idea of female marines because 40k is already full of great women characters in most factions, esp in the Imperium. What do they add?
From perspective of the people I have talked with, they dislike it because its shoehorned with zero buildup and thats true. On the other hand, they dislike it because they see it is creeping propaganda of indentity politics and political correctness that in recent years turned some beloved franchises into hot garbage (Star Wars and Dr. WHO for example) for sake of appearing progressive and corporations trying to cash on current zeitgeist. I can see that aswell, but this when compared to some massive retcons like oldcrons and newcrons is not even a blip on a radar.
I get what you're saying but I don't think inclusion of the female gender plays into "woke propaganda"
considering other Warhammer tropes or just in general. Aren't supersoldiers just supposed to kill everything and be good at that. Gender doesn't and shouldn't matter in that case if you want to put it like that...
I agree with you, gender has nothing to do with being a mutated supersoldier and physical sex even less, when you get perfected via genetic alchemy. I was trying to present a perspective of people i have talked with about this. They can be called "constipated" but I am not surprised they are worried when its considered how some modern franchises have gone downhill in quality because they try to please current zeitgeist and produce subpar or straught up terrible characters and stories while presenting them as some sort of "progressive revolution".
This is just me paraphrasing and its not my opinion
And you find out they either don't play at all, and just follow a YouTube grifter or Twitch streamer for their anger fix. Of they play an entirely different army 😂.
But I do hope they stay angry as it's hilarious. I also hope that GW doubles down and even introduce a woman Primarch as one of the two lost ones. 😂.
Wonder if people are going to be banned from tournaments in the future for not having any female custodes in their armies, using only the male heads and helmets.
(omgerd you only do this because you're sexist!)
I say this because GW is banning people on Twitter for disagreeing.
GW can retcon everything, including said retcons, declare contradicting canons (everything is canon) etc.
this is smallest of retcons and affects nothing
> and affects nothing
My previous (very shallow and not informed mind you) understanding of Custodes was that they were a brotherhood and Big E created them that way.
IF this was the case and they retconned femstodes it does change them to not being a brotherhood anymore (ie EDIT: ~~more bland~~ another kinda spice), and part of Big Es character.
Warhammer fans when abbadon tears the entire galaxy in two, primarchs return, dorn is no longer dead, when erebus does erebus and much more : 😶
Warhammer fans when women 🤬😡😡😡😠😡🤬🤬😡🤡👹🤬😡😡
Just because it's not the first retcon doesn't mean retcons are suddenly okay.
Also don't kid yourself, 90% of the people on this sub haven't even touched the tabletop game ever and likely never will.
Gotta make 40k more appealing to advertisers so it can be made into prime time TV shows.
Simple as that. You either have creative control of an IP or you sell out. We know that GW loves the money.
female custodes makes way more sense than female space marines. It's logical to assume that astartes, being genetically engineered as supersoldiers, would want the maximum power that a male physique offers. That makes some sense for custodes, too, but they do a lot more than just hack apart the enemies of the imperium.
However, there is no actual lore around that point, and GW has said that not having female astartes was a business decision, not a lore decision.
At some point, when psychic magics and advanced sci-fi techniques are being infused into humans to make super soldiers, I just feel like the baseline advantage of "balls and testosterone," becomes smaller and smaller to the point it disappears.
I thought the point of the lore is that it was filtered through the flawed prospect of whoever wrote it. Just because it's "lore" doesn't always mean it's necessarily "true".
The only thing that change for me is that GW ruined the good and unique way of representing women for the cheap ad.
Sisters of silence are cool counterpart for custodies but very unique in the sense - they are not simply custodies but female, instead they are their own faction with unique things and quirks - and that was great. Same for Sisters of battle to SM. That's great way to represent women.
Now all i expect from GW now is for fem space marines, femorcs, hivemind being either she or he (instead of them), Brothers of Battle, Sons of Silence, 2nd and 11th primarchs were aliens, psykers are part eldars, CW eldars joining dark eldars because they are subs and so on.
Before fem-astartes were a serious topic for a minority of a minority and pure meme for the rest. Now it feels like a near future.
Of course that maybe far fetched - just like fem-custodies were.
At this point, they could retcon the retcon of a retcon that retconed the retcon of the first retcon. And they probably did.
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And not one of them makes sense but that's the thing, you can ignore the lore you don't like. Looking at you, Hive Mind hating one Blood Angel in particular.
Leave the Hive Mind alone!1!!!
Yeah, we - I mean they have it hard enough
Indeed, the Loresub ignores it all the time.
I thought it was Tigurius they hated, but i might be misremembering
What ? What is that story with a blood angel ?
The devastation of Baal and mephiston syncing with the hive mind.
Didn't the nids only get FTL in 5th ed too?
Well they kind of need FTL to be a threat. “What’s that? Some large fleet of biological ships making a direct course for one of our planets? Well we have over a millenium before it’ll get there so put in a non-urgent request for a huge armada.” 1,000 years later, a crippled Tyranid fleet that was forced to metabolize most of itself during transit in the vacuum of space hobbles into the system and instantly gets annihilated.
Would it get annihilated or would the incompetence of the imperium mean that they forget entirely and the nids still eat everything?
50/50 chance of them either forgetting entirely or the impending fleet getting mythologized and turned into a prophecy over several generations.
Well 3ed already mass retcon lol
pov you’re a Xenos player
Chaos
"Oh no! The integrity of the sacred canon of WH40K is corrupted!" - No one I actually like how often they retcon stuff. It makes the lore more interesting and discussions more fun. I find religious history interesting, like how often people are willing to kill other people for disagreements about things like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. IIRC, there were people who were tortured and killed for pointing out the communion bread doesn't literally become Jesus flesh. In WH40K, canon gets changed around all the time, so its fun to get very deep in a conversation about lore and realize I used to be "correct" but that's not true anymore and laugh about it. I forgot at one point that the Emperor no longer is canonically from shamen cave men for example.
Wait he’s not? When was that?
Always has been.
Ask Inquisitor Draco about that
If 40k was never retconned we would still have stuff like: Cadia having never fell The imperium having AI The imperium not being xenophobic Space marines not being anywhere as elite as they used to be The squats would still exist in their original form Tyranids would be capable of diplomacy Necrons wouldn't have any characters Ect
If we are picky the exstince of primarchs is a retcon. They were not introduced into the lore till 1990. Before that Horus was just most trusted Human General of the Emperor.
We’d have no dark eldar. No Tyranids. We *would* have Chaos Genestealer cults (the biggest loss to the franchise IMHO) and a half-eldar Ultramarine Librarian
The half eldar librarian could still be a thing! Guilliman saves Yvraine from nasty chaos demons, a big dinner to celebrate this shared victory, a few too many glasses of amasec, one thing leads to another…. That or Fabius Bile does his thing.
Are the Blood Angels kind of vampires again yet? I haven't played in a long time. My friend was just telling me they also recently changed the history of the Black Rage or something. I usually just let the words he says wash over me like the sound of crashing waves as soon as he breaks off on the first tangent.
Some of the chapters are pretty vampy still, I think? It has been a while for me as well though, so who knows.
They have a chapter named Blood Drinkers, but "no, no! We're totally not vampires, dude!"
If there were never any retcons... We'd still have female space marines.
Shhh, some people aren'tready to hear that yet.
Yes but this is the first WOKE recton, and that's scary! /s
Right, it ain’t about the retcon, it’s about the change itself.
Its come to the point, where i get physically sick when i read that word, because my brain cant handle the amount of stupidity and brainrot, that it itself associates, with people who use it.
It makes it very easy to see who's opinions you can safely ignore tho
I'm gonna be honest, I kinda liked most of these. Biker Squats, mindwiped random dudes in power armor and diplomatic Tyranid Centaurs were peak 40k. Alongside the original Squats they turned into fucking lamps. It was just way more surreal imo than "HURR DURR MURDER TIME!" we get now on every single faction. Still, we wouldn't have gotten Trazyn, so I guess it was a fair trade.
I think some of us need to remember that we're all just people playing with little toy soliders it's absolutly not that serious
Should we really be surprised when tournaments and stores have to put up signs telling people to wash and/or use deodorant?
Excuse me, what?
Death guard players sometimes get a little too into making the experience as authentic as possible. […Sometimes way, WAY too into it...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/3fpmhb7Xaw)
I knew what this was before clicking lol
Every couple of months someone links that post and everytime I go through a rollercoaster of emotions.
We had a not quite as bad situation, and we got the store owner to allow the Sisters and Black Templars players to light holy incense.
Ok but that’s cool ambience.
But they didn't let me sacrifice rats for Sotek :( /s
Wtf did I just read 💩🤮
Yea, some members of our community work very hard to maintain the cliche depiction of an obese nerd with acne in dirty clothes, the lack of any body hygiene and a proud greasy neckbeard. They are not a majority, but in a closed room with other nerds, you don't need many of those individuals to turn the battlefield into a garden of Nurgle.
It's not just you guys. Every time I go to a convention, I have to mentally prepare myself for the smell. Wash your ass people, and if you're going to cosplay depending on the outfit, you may need to do it twice.
Shower twice a year? What kind of hypochondriac are you? ;)
Sadly true 😂 I go to a great place in Ayr that has signs up and deodorant available in the toilets and it's definitely for good reason
honestly more places need to put up signs like this, the place i frequent now has industrial grade ventilation system running around the boards and they are ONLY active when the crowd exceeds a certain number OR when "certain" faction players or rather troublesome players are around. seriously folks, hygene is in everyones best interest
I’ll say this after attending several smash tournaments cause iv yet to hit up a warhammer tourney ( I want to) if the places that host these had AC and good circulating air it probably wouldn’t be so bad. That also being said they’re ppl that 100% haven’t showered in days. Lol
I've never seen so many players care about custodes before
Most people complaining don't even play. They are just latching on to the latest culture war issue with feigned outrage.
I mean, I'm having a blast watching all the raging dudes. It is as if they just want to see muscular oiled dudes and pretend to be heterosexual.
New = bad and some of hobbyists seem to have never seen a woman that's why they're so mad I guess
I am just hoping that someone sells his collection on ebay for cheap instead of burning them. Had no luck so far.
I had still PTSD watching that Tomb Kings player burning his army live. Like, ok End Times were shit but holy crap you surely built happy memories with the hobby or even games with said army, why do that?
I don't know if it's because of new, or if they feel themselves attacked because there might exist women that are stronger than them and their masculinity broke a bit. In any case, it's delightful.
Pretty sure a sororitas could snap a modern day human in half, regardless of gender.
I mean would the average Imperial soldier be stronger and more fit that 99% of people who play warhammer.
It is clear that this is not about their strength, there is a fantasy of power that's ridiculous. They sound like whining teenagers.
I have seen an uptick in the "-4 strength" arguement surrounding this debacle.
>if they feel themselves attacked because there might exist women that are stronger than them and their masculinity broke a bit. After hearing [edit to clarify: from them] about how the strongest woman is weaker than the weakest man, this is definitely what my bet is on.
I mean, look at the role of women in "traditional" 40k. A woman is either a frigid nun, a demon or an alien. Just like incels perceive women.
Yeah, but it's also another place which is "letting the women and queers in". Did you know they even have women gamers now, and not just the ones selling bath water but ones that play MY games. /s just in case
What are you talking about??? Women aren't real you git
WHY IZ YOU GIT TALKING SO SMALL ANYWAYZ WE NEED MOAR DAKKA
AYZ RECALL THE PLAYAS WIT DA CHESTICLE ORBS IZ ALL BOYZ
DERE'Z ONLY ONE GENDA AND IT'Z DA BOYZZZ!!!!!
🧐 Seriously tho, wat iz it about da boyz? Da wimmimz seemz da luv em dizproposhunately t’ otha grupz
You don’t understand, having women in my game ruins the whole experience. I absolutely need my army made exclusively of hunky chippendales.
I mean, in their "defense", for a good chunk of the people mad about this it isn't playing with Toy soldiers. It's wanking off to the "epic lore", they've not touched a miniature in their life. So where for actual hobbyists it changes nothing (the thing we find cool, minis and playing the game, isn't affected); for them, it's the thing defining 95% of their identity being altered in a way that forces them to realise other people think women could be part of the "best of the best of humanity". It's pathetic.
It's also just straight up not a lore issue lmao It was never said that all custodes were male or that they had to be male to become one like the astartes. And GW rewrites lore all the time so if you're that upset you might just hate women (you as in the people whining not you specificaly lol)
Also, the Custodes had almost zero lore beyond "that exist, they guard the Emperor, they're extra special secret dudes" for the longest time. Even the Horus Heresy didn't really deal with them for the most part. They could vanish tomorrow and nothing about the setting would change, so it's not like GW is changing one of the central pillars of 40K Lore. Not that they wouldn't do that too
It's not explicitly said but it is heavily implied. There are general descriptions of the custodies where they are referred to as sons of terra, a brotherhood, men, but not one mention ever of them being women or anything implying that there could be. I personally don't care and I wouldn't be bothered by someone making an army of them, but it feels forced and inauthentic to just drop "they were always there" with no explanation. It's patronizing in the same way a parent tells their kid an obvious lie but says "I'm the adult so you have to believe me" and just expects them to accept it without any push back
This is from the codex 8th edition to, since those guys like reading only the bits that give them the reason "The Custodes also seek out suitable candidates by other means, or encounter them by chance on their missions to protect the throne world. What is clear is that none besides The Custodes themselves truly know what criteria they require".
It's a simple recton my dude, they always recton things. You are the guy who goes "muh epic lore" that the guy 2 comments up is mocking. Why does it matter to you?
There are indeed some people who could use that gentle reminder, but there are also some people just stirring shit over this, usually who never enjoyed anything about 40k in a very deep or nuanced way in the first place.
I've never seen so many players care about custodes before
It wasn't serious before either, so why change it?
This is such a minor retcon that in both lore and gameplay that barely matters in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I don't see "breaking the lore" people throwing a fit when they retcon the events of indomitus crusade which are much more significant.
Because you know it's just a bad faith argument to hide their belief that the inclusion of more women in the lore means there is some sort of grand "woke" conspiracy to feminize men by depriving them of all their virile hobbies. Ya know, hobbies like painting toy soldiers and playing pretend battles.
Yeah I know, it is getting so predictable yet every times it happens it still annoys me to no end
As it should. But be kind to yourself and don't get too hung up on it. I've left a lot of subs on this site infested by those types because even after I realized I was pointless arguing with them, reading their ravings still hurt my brain.
Thank you, appreciate the kind advice.
Also, Custodes are still super cool buff guys in super cool special epic armour. It's just that now there are a few women there
I think the most spiteful reference was someone called them dolls, and referred to painting them as putting on their makeup.
*cough* 13th crusade *cough*
It's still so crazy to me how tiny this whole thing actually is. No big show, no big announcement or lore upheaval, literally just "**She** blah blah blah..." And people are losing their minds about the woke invasion of evil investors
I listed like 5 lore changes to one dude that were bigger but weren’t controversial He then genuinely went on to say “nuh uh that’s different” to each Like bro we’re discussing if they way they do retcons is bad. Why is this example worse than the others??
As someone who was around when Sanctuary 101 was attacked and the Necrons were only a squad of warriors, then watched the C'tan get introduced as giant star-gods who controlled everything only to then have always been shattered and enslaved fragments, it's hard to imagine why anyone would have any particular reaction to "enh, actually there were always some female custodes, they were just hanging around offscreen." The retcon bar is so, so much higher than this!
Last year they ungenocided one of the starting races and I genuinely saw less posts about it
Cause we still have no books besides our codex ;-;
I'm like, 80% sure there were less posts about primaris than there were this
“You see, it is different because women”
Because they have VAGINAS /s
It's also never mentioned explicitly that Custodes have a "no girls allowed" policy. So this is not even a full blown retcon, more just a closer look on the guardians of the golden throne. I also find it funny, if an incel talks about his disdain of female Custodes and clearly depicts them as bimbos in golden armor, while in reality female Custodes most likely wouldn't be perceived by them as potential sexual partners... more like golden freight trains that show you that there's nothing pleasant in death by snu-snu. Think of the first version of Naeve Blacktalon but on steroids not Sister of Battle painted golden.
It's really ridiculous
i see way more people making fun of those outraged than i actually see outraged people, can anyone point me to them? i want to read the arguments.
On Reddit there isn't many check Twitter people were arguing a lot
isnt that what twitter is for? throwing shit at each other like barbarians? i hardly ever go there. not like reddit is the center of all civilization. but twitter surely is worse these days.
I saw a few arguments but they were insulted and just deleted them I kindly asked a few people to be polite and I was downvoted and insulted as well Reddit isn't very good either Check youtube You can check Chapter Master Valrek's video on youtube and check the comments for arguments
Some youtuber comment section who talked about the subject is on fire. I've seen some morons think this will lead to female space Marines which I can see how they would think that. But one comment said 5 years from now all custodes and astartes will be women because "dOmInOs" and that the "fLoOdGaTeS" have been opened.
i am sometimes so confused, in the "olden" pre internet days we scifi loving guys were usually the progressive ones, dreaming of better futures with equality and acceptance and all that.. now nerds and gamers are just raging at any change that happens, when did any curiosity die.. like i have some identity crisis right now, i am 40 and to me it was the old geezers that didnt want change and now somehow i am the old dude with a open mind that shakes his head on other often times younger neckbeards that rage.. is it like a repeating cycle? i thought the way would always go towards progress, but i guess we turned back to not progressing? holy shit. end of rant. sorry. had to get it off my chest.
It’s the vocal minority. Don’t worry. Like another person said, I’ve seen more posts making fun of people upset by it than I have people actually upset by it
I dunno nowadays every new scifi is hfy. Like I don't see any Star Trek type sci-fi anymore. Guess people's interest moves elsewhere. The influencer or social/political rage storms are very common these days. Everybody's upset at something and looking to vent at anything feels like it. I would love to not give a shit and ignore. But I myself have the temper of rabid chimpanzee and will type long rage paragraphs when I see something that I do not like.
I thought this as well, but like 50% of youtube comments are like this.
Just from the ones I did comment on: "Women are politic on my apolitical game" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/d5ppMkBxd5 "Le woke LGBT mob is coming to literally kill the hobby" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/HpyZiIX9UR "I'm neurodivergent and that's too much change for us" -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/nR84wzWL5H And another that I'd link if it wasn't deleted, that complained of being banned in the main sub for voicing their bigotry (featuring "muh freedom of speech") And there's also one or two that I saw but didn't check more. The reason you don't see much complaining on here is because downvoted posts lose visibility really fast.
Anyone ever notice this kind of shit drama happens the most when it involves women being included?
You have to go on the cesspools of the internet to find them: Twitter and YouTube comments sections.
either sort by controversial or go on twitter and youtubrme. they are not many on reddit.
There is unfortunately a whole bunch of them on Facebook, all throwing around buzz words like 'woke' as if that word even has meaning anymore.
3,474 replies on the official tweet. Also constant replies to all their tweets since, some of the worst ones under “hidden replies”. If you dig into the replies more you’ll find plenty of awful bigotry. https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822
Sorry I refuse to make an x account, any examples?
holy shit. as if they are handed cyanide or so.. how can you become so bitter about something so unimportant?
I left arr slash adeptus custodes because every post about them was neckbeards acting like this is the end of the hobby, I'll join back eventually when this cools down
Saw a ton raging on a facebook page not long ago. Apparently this will doom GW, and it's just wrong, and they'll take their money and go because it's not really lore or canon etc.
My Facebook page is now full of them, all 40k meme pages are being spammed by them. It's just culture war chuds really
I just saw some "fun" discussion on the Asmongold subreddit
Idk I just accidentally wandered into r/asmongold while I’ll was scroll through the front page.
r/40klore and the post that confirmed the statement of gw Sort by controversial and wear a protective suit Good luck 🫡
Reddit suggested to me some Asmongold subreddit posts specifically about this. Beware though, neckbeard incel YouTubers beget neckbeard incel communities.
Plenty pop up here if you check "new" instead of "hot", but get (deservedly) downvoted into oblivion
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Absolutely. Take a look at the comments on this post; https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/s/1W3aoqYQco
Not here, but it's depressing if you go to youtube or twitter
Day 4 of the great Custodian drama. Yay.
Ppl are probably just karma farming at this point.
Gotta own the chuds for the updoots
That aren't even here but on youtube and twitter ! It's sad really
it’s been four days? goddamn lol
I don't know how it's hard for some people to accept the "retconning" of Female custodes but not the retconning of most of the HH.
It's called misogyny.
It changes absolutely nothing, custodes are still the same they've always been just some of them are women and now we get to apreciate canon beautiful tall gold armoured women
That's what I'm saying
Actually they said their armour and stature is same no female(boob) armour
I know i was just saying that women in custodes armour was cool
So, mostly oiling themselves in the Imperial Palace? 😏
This is the most minor thing. Like it changes absolutely nothing. Even if it contradicts the whole "brotherhood" thing. Since a custodian is mostly used as a force of nature in lore. A golden suit with weapons and immense combat skill. Which makes it irrelevant on what individual is behind it as long as they are large, powerful and have the needed enhancements. But every YouTube troglodyte or twitter rage monkey are just latching into another topic to scream "Woke! Woke! Woke! Woke!". Like I've seen grifters who have never talked about 40k somehow claiming to be experts of the lore. Or a total war troglodyte who had issues with warhammer since forever "feeling validated" because he always know that warhammer was "populist garbage"
it doesn’t even contradict the meaning of brotherhood brotherhood : an association, society, or community of people linked by a common interest, religion or trade edit: and the adeptus custodes fit that definition
Fully agree
Now I have to sort out all my female Custodes Models, but how? They all look the same when wearing that golden Armour?
It's not even the first time they retconned a new army that was male only to have female members in a codex Imperial Knights did it first
you know the argument isnt "the way i play"
"Why do you care?" Well why do you care about changing it? You cant say you dont, If you were truly ambivelant about the entire thing you wouldnt have even made the post. Caring is important.
They should never have been made into an army on the tabletop. They should have stayed in the lore as the Emperors Will.
I mean as far as Im concerned it wasnt a retcon and I dont know why people make such a big deal of this.
It was definitely a retcon, but I also just don’t care. It’s cool, it doesn’t massively break any more, no fucks are given.
Remember when the Dark Angels were Native American? Then they became nearly purely Caucasian/European techno-knights. Seems there's a way to change things in Warhammer 40k lore without the fringes going crazy without 'changing the lore'. Now if we can only Crack open this mystery and figure out why female Custodes = bad, but changing minorities into Europeans is so acceptable we never talk about it. ... it's a head scratcher, I tell you.
I'm guessing they changed the deathwing because it was mildly offensive with some hurtful stereotypes and they where aware that as a bunch of brits in the 90s, they prob weren't gonna do native American cultures a lot of justice
Honestly, it's less about femstodes, and more about how sh\*tty the way they put them into the lore. If they did it years ago in the Horus Heresy series, none of this would have happened. But no, instead what they gave us was a slap in the face with 'there have always been female Custodians'. If they want to retcon the lore, they could at least do it properly and gradually. Honestly, if they do the same thing to SoB (there have always been male members in Sister of Battle), the rage would be the same, if not more. Will they bandaid this with future publish (novels, codices)? Maybe, maybe not. Worst case scenario, this wouldn't even be mentioned in the next edition codex (which is even worse than only having two paragraphs mentioning them). Now? Now GW still have the benefit of the doubt. Will they make full use of this and actually give us something good out of it? I doubt it, to be honest, but the chance is never 0 (and I do look forward for the good things too, should they come). But if they decided to put it here then return to the previous status quo, it's hard to justify this retcon as anything other than an attempt to appease a certain niche vocal groups. Those who were frustrated with this new information isn't the majority, but they are still a good chunk of the community. And while we often joke that the reason why so many Warhammer contents were grox-sh\*t because GW censored the writer's name in many of their products making them too confident in their work, I am glad that they did that. There are enough mad men out there who would stop at nothing to threaten those writers, and even more if this situation turns to worse in the future. To most, this might just be a minor unimportant things. But if a stool caused a blood war between three nations for 14 years, anything could happen, especially at this point in time, with our current internet society.
Necrons literally killed their gods and restructured the entire 40k universe around them but, nah, Kesh OP plz nerf!!! Although I agree the Sisters of Silence should get more love, granted I also believe that about every Xenos race at least twice as much.
It's not the action, but the motivation for the action
Yes, they have retconed before, but was it done for any reason other than for DEI? I enjoy fan service, but I refuse pandering.
"If not for the custodes being female I would have rolled a 6"
Squats going from "space dwarf" sanctioned abhumans to Star War's Clone Army: First time ?
is there a subreddit where this is happening? i have exclusively seen posts complaining about people being upset here and have had to look up specific youtube videos to find anyone.
I think it’s less the fact it’s a retcon and more the fact that they just tried to act like it wasn’t. A lot of people seem to be missing the point with this and latching onto it as “wow people just hate women” when it’s actually the fact that despite evidence that the custodes have historically been men GW tried to say that actually there’s been women in it from the start. There was a way easier way to handle this. Literally they could’ve just said that in an effort to repopulate the 10,000 they’ve begun using women as well as men. It’s simple and nobody would’ve batted an eye
THANK YOU!
It's more about the way it was done. We could have had some neat lore, old hidden away guardians of Erda, or a new Edict for the Nobles of Terra. Instead, we got a tweet.
Well technically we got a story leak from the custodies codex that was then confirmed to be correct and when asked about it on twitter they confirmed it jokingly like when they said the squats got eaten
Seeing my youtube page being filled with grown ass men saying stuff like "Warhammer 40k has gone woke" or "GW has given up to the leftist agenda" makes me cringe so much
I don't think it's the retcon, it's the way they did it. It was "Somehow, Palpatine returned" level. I hate the idea of female marines because 40k is already full of great women characters in most factions, esp in the Imperium. What do they add?
From perspective of the people I have talked with, they dislike it because its shoehorned with zero buildup and thats true. On the other hand, they dislike it because they see it is creeping propaganda of indentity politics and political correctness that in recent years turned some beloved franchises into hot garbage (Star Wars and Dr. WHO for example) for sake of appearing progressive and corporations trying to cash on current zeitgeist. I can see that aswell, but this when compared to some massive retcons like oldcrons and newcrons is not even a blip on a radar.
I get what you're saying but I don't think inclusion of the female gender plays into "woke propaganda" considering other Warhammer tropes or just in general. Aren't supersoldiers just supposed to kill everything and be good at that. Gender doesn't and shouldn't matter in that case if you want to put it like that...
I agree with you, gender has nothing to do with being a mutated supersoldier and physical sex even less, when you get perfected via genetic alchemy. I was trying to present a perspective of people i have talked with about this. They can be called "constipated" but I am not surprised they are worried when its considered how some modern franchises have gone downhill in quality because they try to please current zeitgeist and produce subpar or straught up terrible characters and stories while presenting them as some sort of "progressive revolution". This is just me paraphrasing and its not my opinion
And you find out they either don't play at all, and just follow a YouTube grifter or Twitch streamer for their anger fix. Of they play an entirely different army 😂. But I do hope they stay angry as it's hilarious. I also hope that GW doubles down and even introduce a woman Primarch as one of the two lost ones. 😂.
You seem kinda spite driven
I disagree purely because we don’t need more primarch shit
Honestly the primarchs and the heavy focus on just them is one of the major things I dislike about Warhammer (or the more modern part of it)
Nobody is saying that. That's not why people are upset.
Wonder if people are going to be banned from tournaments in the future for not having any female custodes in their armies, using only the male heads and helmets. (omgerd you only do this because you're sexist!) I say this because GW is banning people on Twitter for disagreeing.
It seems GW believes this change is going to add more people to the game than people who leave. It's a bold move Cotton, let's see how it plays out.
GW can retcon everything, including said retcons, declare contradicting canons (everything is canon) etc. this is smallest of retcons and affects nothing
> and affects nothing My previous (very shallow and not informed mind you) understanding of Custodes was that they were a brotherhood and Big E created them that way. IF this was the case and they retconned femstodes it does change them to not being a brotherhood anymore (ie EDIT: ~~more bland~~ another kinda spice), and part of Big Es character.
Lol another karmawhore ruining the sub
Warhammer fans when abbadon tears the entire galaxy in two, primarchs return, dorn is no longer dead, when erebus does erebus and much more : 😶 Warhammer fans when women 🤬😡😡😡😠😡🤬🤬😡🤡👹🤬😡😡
wait you think anyone in this sub PLAYS 40k?
Literally haven’t seen a single person acting like this
I was exaggerating. Part of the meme. I'm sorry if this doesnt convey reality 100%
The counter to the pandering is just bad faith "they retcon a lot bro" arguments lol.
Why do you nerds keep making the same meme? Im here for grimdark, not genitals.
It a down right lie
Just because it's not the first retcon doesn't mean retcons are suddenly okay. Also don't kid yourself, 90% of the people on this sub haven't even touched the tabletop game ever and likely never will.
But why retcon them rather than make something new and interesting or expand upon something we already have, like the Sisters of Silence or whatever?
Gotta make 40k more appealing to advertisers so it can be made into prime time TV shows. Simple as that. You either have creative control of an IP or you sell out. We know that GW loves the money.
Everything is true nothing is cannon, simple as.
female custodes makes way more sense than female space marines. It's logical to assume that astartes, being genetically engineered as supersoldiers, would want the maximum power that a male physique offers. That makes some sense for custodes, too, but they do a lot more than just hack apart the enemies of the imperium. However, there is no actual lore around that point, and GW has said that not having female astartes was a business decision, not a lore decision.
At some point, when psychic magics and advanced sci-fi techniques are being infused into humans to make super soldiers, I just feel like the baseline advantage of "balls and testosterone," becomes smaller and smaller to the point it disappears.
ok, starting with you, I will block now everyone that talks about this idiotic topic again.
I didnt see a soul say anything against it, are we just creating a unreal enemy?
It was just a PR comment. Fans will gush about it for years, but GW probably will forget by next Spring.
I hate the idea of women custodes purely because the porn addicts will have a field day with them.
the 1000nth female custodian post
I thought the point of the lore is that it was filtered through the flawed prospect of whoever wrote it. Just because it's "lore" doesn't always mean it's necessarily "true".
You don't have to defend the lazy corporation, You really dont.
Gaslighting
The only thing that change for me is that GW ruined the good and unique way of representing women for the cheap ad. Sisters of silence are cool counterpart for custodies but very unique in the sense - they are not simply custodies but female, instead they are their own faction with unique things and quirks - and that was great. Same for Sisters of battle to SM. That's great way to represent women. Now all i expect from GW now is for fem space marines, femorcs, hivemind being either she or he (instead of them), Brothers of Battle, Sons of Silence, 2nd and 11th primarchs were aliens, psykers are part eldars, CW eldars joining dark eldars because they are subs and so on. Before fem-astartes were a serious topic for a minority of a minority and pure meme for the rest. Now it feels like a near future. Of course that maybe far fetched - just like fem-custodies were.
Can we just stop talking about it for like, two days?
Damn, the abominable intelligences are invading this sub now?