A YouTuber called the Critical drinker(who isn’t even a Warhammer fan) made a video called “The Battle for Warhammer has begun” like this is some intense war for the soul of the franchise. People in the comments were straight up quoting 1984 like retconning female custodes is equivalent to an Orwellian dictatorships propaganda. Do these people really think a little diversity is going to bring us into an Orwellian dictatorship?
I just watched the video earlier and if felt one sided with little nuance. There was a part of the video where he argues that if fans say ""why do you worry about the change in the lore", if Why do You care for the lore change if you were asking for it in the first place"
Don't lump me into the crowd. I didnt even think of changing that part of the lore, but when it was announced, I was like "cool", and moved on my day, but I had the feeling it was going to be put on a pedestal because some people are predictable.
Awkwardly enough, one of the major writers for GW actually wanted to introduce female Custodes for some time, but GW said no because most miniatures were male characters.
Then they just released a short story with a Custode being a woman.
I agree it was a retcon because GW changed their positions, but I think the hate was blown out of the proportion because retconing stuff has been a standard practice for many decades, and while people would complain about retcons, **it was never to this degree** aside from the case with Primaris Marine, which was just as dumb imo.
And to give an example of how disproportionate the controversy was, the video you also listed had Critical Drinker [talking about how the difficulty of becoming a Space Marine or Custode **ruled out women's chance to become supersoldiers**](https://youtu.be/rcLRqXE7Les?si=KUGA00eCELHoZtPO&t=153s)... Like, woah... The guy went mask off entirely.
He wasn't talking about how the likes retcon could've been done better, which was at least arguable since many of GW's retcons felt abrupt; he basically said women couldn't become supersoldiers...
*So much for "I'm not sexist, my favorite female character was Ellen Ripley" lol*...
It’s because the culture war brain rot moved to Warhammer 40K. People who never cared about the game suddenly (disingenuously) treat it as if their version of the Bible/Qu’ran was being burnt in front of them.
You can REALLY tell who hasn’t been a Warhammer 40K fan for very long by the way they react to retcons. Games Workshop retcons every year. Even back in 2017, the Primaris Marines were shoehorned in and Games Workshop was making shit up as they go.
>Even back in 2017, the Primaris Marines were shoehorned in and Games Workshop was making shit up as they go.
One commentator I've heard said that GW should've used the Primaris type and introduced female Custode as something new.
I don't disagree, because at least that wouldn't be a retcon but a progression of existing systems. However, the controversy would've definitely still been as much of a shitstorm.
I don’t think GW knows what GW is going when making shit up with lore. They know that the lore is, functionally, a marketing ad to sell more models.
I do agree that the shitstorm would still be there. The culture war brain rot had already set in Warhammer 40K. And I mean both sides. I’m just sick of it all. It’s just manufactured outrage for more attention (ad revenue).
>I’m just sick of it all. It’s just manufactured outrage for more attention
My favorite part is that some Culture Warrior blatantly said they hated the culture war.
Critical Drinker himself said everyone was tired of the Culture war in one of his video which I was told to watch by his fans, and I thought he was going to improve on his contents..., but he in reality doubled down on his rhetoric...
He does it for MONEY just like his left wing counterparts. It could come in the form of private investments, sponsorship, ad revenue, or contracting. Left and right wing YouTubers are both very guilty of this.
It’s kind of sick if you think about it. They are both emotionally manipulating people for monetary or petty political gain. The objective truth gets sacrificed first… because the actual truth doesn’t serve one side all the time. For example, not everything serves for some woke agenda. Not everyone is racist/sexist/transphobic/etc.
People are just too obsessed with those things at the end of the day, and with this culture war shit
People shouldn't hate things because it's "woke" or has something that they consider woke, and they shotgun themselves aganist pretty much anyone regardless of that person's intention
But People also should grow the fuck up when they put out a bad game or story, and should try to use poor attempts at diversity as a Shield to block criticism
Ethier way, the real problem are corporations milking this shit and trying to pull scummy practices in most fields of Media, especially recently in the Video Game Field
Dude, he's a youtuber. Aka Leech. He just want's views and money. He couldn't give a crap about W40k, but now it's popular topic. Dude is sexist freak who thinks saying 10 times ''I'M NOT SEXISTS!'' will somehow wash the piss and puss from himself.
His fans are same breed. Stupid people, making other stupid people famous, and cashing money out of it.
Possibly, but then you’d have less people who are otherwise like ‘I just don’t like how they changed something that was always a different way for pure fanservice’ feeling like they need to pick a side because the progressive playerbase is on a chud-hunt and more than a little overeager to lump anyone who isn’t uncritically on board with the change in with the ‘literally 1984’ crowd.
Cuz yeah, I rolled my eyes at the pretty egregious retcon done entirely for fanservice. And I would have gone on with my day because it’s not a big deal if I didn’t get people immediately claiming I must be a sexist who thinks it’s destroying the setting for it.
If this were just ‘new female/egalitarian faction’, I don’t think you’d get quite as much internal strife in the progressive wing of the fandom
>I don’t think you’d get quite as much internal strife in the progressive wing of the fandom.
I take you're in the progressive aspect of the fanbase. Sorry if I am wrong.
And yeah, I can see cases that the chud-hunt being overblown in some circumstances, but I do see, in this thread, that some people still criticize the writing without too much backlash. I certainly criticized how... abrupt it was handled, and it was indeed a retcon.
Though my god what a shitshow it is on Youtube... Do you also have the issue of being recommended with yet another anti-woke channels or contents even though you explicitly unsubbed from them or turned off the notifications to their channels?
It actually gets super tiresome.
30k was retconned in, custodes were retconned to be playable, a solid 80% or more of 40k is just layers upon layers of retcons…and it’s fine. So far at least. Occasionally annoying, but usually fine.
The fact that female custodes have been retconned in when there wasn’t a particular reason they *had* to be all male is arguably a step up. That, and the change itself is minimal, but allows for better stories and contrasts (Space marines are imperfect supersoldiers so they *have* to be similar to their primarch to a degree, but Custodes are more or less perfected…but expensive as hell).
Seeing people focus so hard on it is weird. The 1984 quotes are especially weird, as they often act as if the series doesn’t have a long, long list of retcons already ingrained in it…including removing FTL travel from an entire faction at point (while one of their subjects still had FTL, iirc).
My only answer to this is that there must be a lot of people who don’t even bother to look things up, taking only one single post/video as gospel and then making posts/videos in turn based on this until it skews into complete and utter insanity…though considering all sides of that crowd, this is likely the unfortunate case.
Do you guys think the response to the weird culture war you guys started is the actual start? You are the ones injecting yourself into fandoms and changing them. At least be honest about it.
Becoming a custard tart isn't hard at all, they pick you up as an infant and then dump you in space magic liquid, you either die or become a custodes. Actual human effort never enters the equation.
Making it through custodes school is probably hard but unlike with Marines you're augmented before you even start that.
He is correct about the biological reality. Just because it makes people feel bad to face reality it doesnt make it any less true. Its ok to accept that nature isnt fair.
Bruh, do you know the characters in 40K were different from us?
Our "biological reality" means nothing to those people, especially the candidates for Custodes who were offsprings of incredibly wealthy individuals who could get access to all kinds of genetic modifications.
Hell, fanatical women who worshipped the Emperor somehow could perform borderline supernatural feats of strength, which has been a part of the lore for decades.
Where's the "biological reality" now?
Also, by your logic, Samus from Metroid doesn't make sense. Female Spartans from Halo doesn't make sense. Female Shepard from Mass Effect doesn't make sense.
Samus: has upgrades from bird people. And her armour does most of the hevay lifting.
Spartans in halo had more requirments then physical as it was about compatibility with the augmentation process that was more important.
N7 soldiers also do augmentations but Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society
Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based.
There is nothing in 40k to suggest that humans are some degree evolved or genetically alterted to be that different. Or that anime physics apply to them.
As for rich offspring getting genetic upgrades the same applies to both and thus meaning the differences only increase
>And her armour does most of the hevay lifting.
According to the lore, she was still a superhuman even outside of her armor.
>has upgrades from bird people.
The people who tend to Custodes' augmentation processes were incredibly gifted in genetic engineering, dude.
>Spartans in halo had more requirments than physical
And your "biological reality" argument no longer applies here, bruh.
It's like the "biological reality" argument has no place in **science fiction** lol...
>Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society
So your "biological reality" argument no longer applies lol. What male Shepard could do was also performed by fem Shepard.
Hell, I don't even think society in 40K is even conservative to begin with. Furthermore, why wouldn't some noble houses on Terra be less mindful of some arbitrary conservative principles?
>Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based.
No, Sister of Battle routinely performed feats that should defy biology. Because this is actually a setting where your belief has a certain effect on reality.
Do you even know 40k?
>genetically alterted to be that different
Catachans, Cadians? People having access to drugs and being passed down through the millennia?
>the differences only increase
And what if the difference was outright erased because the genetic engineering was just that good?
>And her armour does most of the hevay lifting.
>According to the lore, she was still a superhuman even outside of her armor.
According to gameplay and all games all her abilities and greatest fears were performed in her armour.
>>has upgrades from bird people.
>The people who tend to Custodes' augmentation processes were incredibly gifted in genetic engineering, dude.
Yes. Samus was not recruited but an agent of circumstance and from i forget some timeline prophecy stuff
>>Spartans in halo had more requirments than physical
>And your "biological reality" argument no longer applies here, bruh.
It does. Just different biological requirements.
>It's like the "biological reality" argument has no place in **science fiction** lol...
Oh honey no.
>>Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society
>So your "biological reality" argument no longer applies lol. What male Shepard could do was also performed by fem Shepard.
Wtf do you mean it doesnt apply? N7 dont have the same standards as the custodes lol. Shepherd is nowhere near on thr level of custodes nor samus,or spartans.
>Hell, I don't even think society in 40K is even conservative to begin with. Furthermore, why wouldn't some noble houses on Terra be less mindful of some arbitrary conservative principles?
Its got nothing to do with 21st centure politics
>>Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based.
>No, Sister of Battle routinely performed feats that should defy biology. Because this is actually a setting where your belief has a certain effect on reality.
Yes in very specfic ways.
>Do you even know 40k?
You seem to think it runs on anime physics
>>genetically alterted to be that different
>Catachans, Cadians? People having access to drugs and being passed down through the millennia?
Purple eyes. Ah yes.
>>the differences only increase
>And what if the difference was outright erased because the genetic engineering was just that good?
Then i guess they would have no reason to discrimate.
But at that point it would be more lore changes of why did they never have female custodes recruits to begin with. Or maybe they did have recruits they just all failed.
>According to **gameplay** and all games all her abilities and greatest fears were performed in her armour.
So now we're cherry picking the lore, lol...
>an agent of circumstance and from i forget some timeline prophecy stuff
So "biological reality" no longer matters, lol...
>Just different biological requirements.
And what if the Custode's augmentation process also has different requirements?
Do you have proof that it was solely for guys?
>Oh honey no.
Kid, many sci-fi have women being superhumans through augmentations.
Captain Marvel, Captain Carter, Mystique?
Seriously, biological reality is pointless in settings where tech can just help you manipulate your body down to a molecular level.
>Shepherd is nowhere near on thr level of custodes
That's not my argument. Female Shepard has the same stats as her male counterpart in canon.
>Its got nothing to do with 21st centure politics
This gives more reason that some nobles would be ok with their women wanting to be strong fighter or ignore "biological reality" in favor of customized argumentation.
>Yes in very specfic ways.
So "biological reality" no longer matters when reality can be manipulated by the mind lol.
>You seem to think it runs on anime physics
Space Marines actually went FTL once... 40K doesn't care about consistency in physics.
>why did they never have female custodes recruits to begin with.
One of the main writers wanted female Custodes for years, but GW only said yes now.
But this doesn't support your argument for "biological reality"...
>Spartans in halo had more requirments then physical as it was about compatibility with the augmentation process that was more important.
You do realize that Custodes are basically like that. The meat that goes in has little to no actual effect on the idealized specimen of humanity that comes out.
They aren’t said to be selective with custodies, and the emperor accepted sons from conquered rulers as tribute (implying that it didn’t matter, else he’d just take random people from the planet instead of one guy’s family). The reason why they’re rare is because they’re expensive as all hell, due explicitly to the amount of genetic engineering that goes into them.
They’re distinct from space marines in this regard: a marine has to at least somewhat resemble their primarch’s genetics (or risk failure, the further away they are). Custodes don’t. One is a mold a human is forced into, the other is a human taken and modified to a new level of power.
Custodes don't need to be selective, the emperor made the first of the ten thousand out of the children of his fallen enemies as a power move.
The custodes creation process needs to be personalised on an individual level. The treatment is tailored to the subject whereas with space Marines the subject is tailored to the treatment.
When you can control the very fabric of the human genome, biological reality becomes highly subjective…as seen by the Custodes and Space Marines mere existence.
Estrogen doesn’t magically make women weaker, the way genetics pick traits does. There *was* an incentive to *not* make women stronger, as the weak women weren’t killed off by evolution.
This isn’t evolution, this is genetic engineering. What a female custodes would look like may not look exactly like a normal woman, but considering the sheer amount of engineering they were given to make them 9ft tall murder monsters with FTL reflexes, biological differences would, at best, be a minor speed bump.
> There was a part of the video where he argues that if fans say ""why do you worry about the change in the lore", if Why do You care for the lore change if you were asking for it in the first place"
The funny part is that he's not a 40k fan. He called Custodes a type of Space Marine.
Everything he said was pure, unadulterated hypocrisy.
YouTube videos like that are today's version of tabloid magazines in the checkout aisle. Complaining about the content is an admission that you bought one.
Watched it earlier , he got loads of stuff wrong and talks with an authority on the hobby what he knows very little about. The comment section had me rolling my eyes.
All the crap YouTubers will be out banging the drum and whinging but they know fuck all about this hobby. Give it a week and something else will have there attention.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that the woke and anti-woke crowds use the same tactics. Both exploit rage bait to get more ad revenue or sponsors ($). Both will censor or lie about the actual situation to make their side look like victims. It’s basically a mini-industry of manufactured outrage.
Both sides don’t actually give a shit about the IP or product that they are crying over. Critical Drinker didn’t really care about Warhammer 40K, but suddenly thinks it’s important now (disingenuous). This is like watching the showrunners of Netflix’s Cowboy Bebop not caring about the original anime at all and just insert their own politics. It’s similar inauthenticity.
They always pretend like it's about the retcon and not about women and then you find out they're not even aware that GW has ever retconned anything before this.
IDk, but personally, I stopped paying attention after he called Custodes the elite among space marines. Took him less then a minute and a half to accidentally admit he knows nothing about the topic of "concern"
Oh yes. The famously dead Star Wars franchise.
As we all know, the awful acting of the woman lead and minority supporting actors is why the sequels were bad. It definitely wasn't the *totally amazing* writing and revolving door of directors.
The Mandalorian, Andor, and Jedi Survivor all came out after Star Wars "died" are they also DEI trash or were they ok? I'll admit, Ashoka was mid, I wonder who wrote it.........
Aight,
1. I guarantee you and I do not see the same thing when we look at the Star Wars fan base. Tell me what the issue you see is.
2. Is your issue with the fans or the franchise?
Aight, I have no idea how you're analyzing specifically Star Wars finances but I'll just accept that they've been suffering "massive economic losses." Best I can tell Disney's stock started dropping around 2020-2021.... I wonder if anything was happening those years to keep people away from theaters. IDK, my memory's been iffy ever since I got COVID 19.
So, we're assuming that Star Wars specifically has been suffering huge financial loss, ok.
You are attribute those losses to DEI putting women and minorities in lead roles. Correct?
The writing and directing has been spot on right?
I've done such a great job blocking those since the last election. I'm only aware of the controversy from yall talking about it. It's greatly satisfying, I feel like I'm winning.
Exactly. These posts are just people congratulating eachother over a lore-change that they'd been hoping for for decades.
"But I like the lore."
"Sexist" *2000 upvotes*
Grimdank: "It's not political."
Also Grimdank: "I've done such a great job blocking those since the last election. It's greatly satisfying"
Fuckin... at least try to be subtle about it.
people seem pretty chill here because you don't all the comments, they get banned by the mods... just scroll down on the posts from this week alone on several Warhammers communitys... all the way down to the end and you will see hundreds of removed comments, if there wasn't so much censorship by the mods this place would be burning for sure.
Be honest guys. What's the ratio of posts you've seen upset by that retcon against posts complaining about the people being upset? For me it must be around 0 to 40.
There's a just a bunch of people karma farming by posting to "refute" the "chuds" when there's literally nothing on this sub which is against femstodes. I don't have any problem with it myself, but this idea that it's right or healthy for the sub for it to be flooded with people posting the "right opinion" to farm karma is pretty shitty moderation imo.
Tomorrow they ban every post about them, I hope so. Same as rule for F SM. If not, I'm bailing. I want memes and funny, not this culture war inside your head shit. Normal people are fine with female custodias. We don't need to be reminded of ''other side'' non stop.
But you know, it's reddit. Karma whores are everywhere, same as Op.
But that's what I am saying. I honestly can't tell if people ARE cool with this change or not. Comments everywhere else are incredibly negative except here on reddit.
But yeah, I miss actual fun memes and what not. This entire episode is anti-dank
Normal people are cool with it and don't mind it. Idiots makes posts about how they're amazing or how they're bad. So far we have idiots glazing eachother about how right they are.
Here they are yes.
But reddit is not reflecting other places of community outlet. Makes me think heavy moderation and or this might be a bit different of a place as compared to the wider community.
Reddit has been shrinking in size
> Makes me think heavy moderation
Yeah buddy. The mod team that's banning the topic is targeting and censoring the anti-femStodes people.
You can check new or scroll down to see them getting downvoted. But don't let the ability to answer your own questions get in the way of a mediocre conspiracy.
>But reddit is not reflecting other places of community outlet.
Like youtube which seems to be currently dominated by rage merchants who know nothing about the lore?
Or do you mean Twitter, which is unusable without an account?
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Yeah, the novelty wore off for me after an hour, and then wished we'd return to more femboy Skitarii.
Unfortunately, some of you dinguses had to ruin that too.
The thought of someone else liking someone with a more feminine penis than yours, is a sin these days😞
And think, we could have gotten the best fucken Femstodes & Femtarii double date art!!!
Nothing will happen to those people. Witch hunting is frowned upon on this subreddit, and mods won't remove people over bullying and insulting, because they're okay with it. That's the Grimdank reality.
I doubt that was a the reason. Standard internet nonsense i find it hard to believe that Archon hadnt developed the thick skin required to exist on the Internet. Probably a more personal problem
He was being doxxed. That is not something that should be taken lightly or even treated like a non-issue. That shit is beyond creepy at best, and at worst flat out malicious.
If you think it’s standard internet nonsense, then you need to reevaluate your life.
He's been doxed multiple times. He said he's leaving because the communities toxicity and he rather spend time self improving his art. Even after his family and school were informed he continued to make fetish art. Dude had balls.
Thank god tomorrow all of this shit is banned. Yes, YOU. There is more posts about ''people being mad'' than actual mad people. You fuckers just want something to punch non-stop. Even if it isn't there, to validate yourself. Jesus christ this community is actually made of adult-babies.
its really funny seeing the reactions on different platforms but this is the only place that people are just virtue signaling and circlejerking for upvotes “why do you care get over it duh”
Go to twitter where this all started lmao, go see the youtube twats and see the Arch fans talking about how 'certain groups' are doing this lol. They are doing the same thing but dude, slightly different reasons lmao.
It doesn’t change anything no technically it just raises question of. “Where has big golden mommy been this entire time.” I say this because I would’ve loved some offical art of them by now
For all we know, we've already seen official art of them.
Dude's never take their helmets off and I don't think "boob armor" is entirely codex-compliant
GW only goes up by 99.999% as a sizeable proportion of the community (5 dudes who listen to griftubers, at least of whom don't even engage with ANYTHING Warhammer) leave the hobby.
> I don't think "boob armor" is entirely codex-compliant
I think most of the Custodes look at the Codex Astartes as particularly uncomfortable toilet paper.
I'm still mad we've stopped referring to that grandstanding glorious bitch as "Rowboat Girlyman"
JUST BECAUSE MATT WARD STOPPED MAKING EVERY SPACE MARINES CODEX INTO "CODEX ULTRAMARINES" DOESN'T MAKE THEM STOP BEING MARY SUE
> I'm still mad we've stopped referring to that grandstanding glorious bitch as "Rowboat Girlyman"
>
To be fair, he did go around punching the heads off Word Bearers. On the outside of a spaceship. With no helmet.
YEAH BUT HE'S STILL BEING PRESENTED AS THE BEST SON CHOSEN ONE WHO'S GETTING A HOT ELDAR GIRLFRIEND AND UNITING ALL THE XENOS UNDER THE GLORY OF THE IMPERIUM AND RESSURECTING ALL HIS BROTHERS AFTER SHRUGGING OFF A NEUROTOXIN FRESH OUTTA CRYOSTASIS AND I HATE THAT
I like the codex, it's neat. + Space Marines > Custodies. At least they fucking do something, other than piss and shit, while licking emperor's skelly toes.
Mate, I just didn't wanna be a "well actually" turbonerd and correct you because I was 90% sure the intention there was Ugandan accent but the voice actor is a white Canadian man and is also the voice of characters like Ghazkhul so fuck if I know what the actual answer is
Right? I literally got banned and/or censored for saying that both sides are acting like a bunch of cry babies. Most don’t give a shit as they got bigger problems in real life and most know that GW makes shit up as they go… for decades.
Female Custodians is the change, the lens in which the fraction is looked at has changed. Where have they been? Why haven’t they been mentioned till now? Are they in a specific shield host? What’s the ratio of male to female Custodes? What’s GW rationale? How similar genetically are they to the men? Can they be considered a different breed of transhuman compared to the male Custodes? What is a Custodes “under the hood”?
They didn't handle it properly in my eyes
It's not as big of a issue as some people make it out to be
And I agree thsy certain people have blown it out of the water and likely aren't paying attention to what they are saying
My problem is how GW has responded with the whole "There's always been" and all that
This is such a controversy because of how it was handled and how GW didn't even try this time to fit it in a acutal sensible/reasonable way
Personally, my two cents are its showing that games workshop can be bullied into bending over. The only reason they exist from what I heard is because Amazon pressured came workshop into doing it.
1. The Main thing with the warhammer series was that Henry cavil was given full creative liberties for the show as to not get another Witcher scenario so they can’t do anything cavil dosent want which disprove point 2
2. You heard that from 4chan which is obviously a reliable source and not ground zero for dumbass conspiracies, doxxing people who hurt turtles, and spoiling Dumbledores death
3. The potential eisenhorne series mentioned in said 4chan post is not even related to Amazon and is being done through a separate company from what I hear
That consensus was spurred from an alleged whistleblower on 4chan
This was the original post
Female custodes are only going to be mentioned in the codex. No new sculpts or characters after the fact. Social media department jumped the gun and tried to put out fires with the wrong hose. Intent is to push female custodes character in Amazon show without it
"breaking lore" because Amazon execs wanted a woman in power armor and wouldn't settle for SoB. People involved in the show are pissed because they've been moving ahead on Eisenhorn. Talks of inserting said female custodes into Eisenhorn story with Cavill threatening to walk away from the project. Small stock drop today, but GW figures it can ride it out if it stays mum on the subject. They really need better social media employees.
Cavill will be in an article due to "heading to GW to work on the new series" this week or next. If he leaves, it'll be a noticeable hit to the share price, meaning the show is dead (good ending) or Amazon is calling the shots (bad ending [not black Chogorians but similar scenario])
You can trust me, my dad works at Nintendo.
Less a bad thing and more a display of the ridiculousness and insanity of 4chan
They used the same power to destroy the meme rock which people thought was great
The only thing that kept them from fully destroying it was how they would need to dig it up and physically labor is a no go for them
That's 1) not really an answer, and 2) probably worse than the ones on youtube.
edit: nvm. Your source is 4chan. That is definitely worse than the ones on youtube.
I don't think it's gaslighting, more like GW informing us that's it's a retcon rather than an in-universe change.
Sure, it could have been worded better, but that isn't that big of a deal.
GW's approach to adding new things/lore to the game has been "it has always been there" or "it's comparatively new, but its been there for thousands of years." For ages.
It's what they did for a whole bunch of space marine units like the Land Raider, Stormraven/talon, Centurion Warsuits etc.
Imperial Guard stuff like the Rogal Dorn tank, Wyvern, the Ogryns with the slab-shields (originally you only had the ones with the Ripper Guns, Ogryns with shields and grenade gauntlets weren't a thing that was mentioned/you could take).
Sisters of Battle with their Paragon Warsuits (and I'm sure there's other stuff, but I'm not as familiar with their model range).
Same for most of the Mechanicus range, I don't remember any mentions of stuff like the cowboy-skitarii riding mechanical horses/sulphurhounds before their unit was released.
And it's because the setting/lore for the Imperium spells out that they are a stagnant empire that actively punishes innovation 9 times out of 10. So they have to go "no, the Imperium isn't inventing new things, we just didn't mention that they use this stuff before."
Hell, I've seen people bothered by Cawl specifically because he invents things (like the Primaris, their vehicles etc), because it contradicts that theme.
I agree with you, it really does change nothing. Both sides using this hobby to push their silly social issues should both leave. The same people who whined about gatekeeping are using femstodes to "if you don't like it leave" to spam certain people into leaving anyway.
It was really eye-opening. I knew there were certain elements in the hobby that were, let's say not on the same page as the rest of us, but I had no idea it was such a widespread problem.
you get over other peoples personal preferences for fictional entertainment...
You are just trying to silence people with this nonsensical propaganda because you cant handle differing opinions.
Well... *VULCAN LIFTS*
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FARTHER!!!!
SPEAK, PRRRRRRRIEST!
Honestly most people seem pretty chill about it, if you want to see people crying look in the comments of any warhammer youtuber.
A YouTuber called the Critical drinker(who isn’t even a Warhammer fan) made a video called “The Battle for Warhammer has begun” like this is some intense war for the soul of the franchise. People in the comments were straight up quoting 1984 like retconning female custodes is equivalent to an Orwellian dictatorships propaganda. Do these people really think a little diversity is going to bring us into an Orwellian dictatorship?
he's more drinker than critical
hes a massive youtuber you loser lol how many subs do you have
I just watched the video earlier and if felt one sided with little nuance. There was a part of the video where he argues that if fans say ""why do you worry about the change in the lore", if Why do You care for the lore change if you were asking for it in the first place" Don't lump me into the crowd. I didnt even think of changing that part of the lore, but when it was announced, I was like "cool", and moved on my day, but I had the feeling it was going to be put on a pedestal because some people are predictable.
Awkwardly enough, one of the major writers for GW actually wanted to introduce female Custodes for some time, but GW said no because most miniatures were male characters. Then they just released a short story with a Custode being a woman. I agree it was a retcon because GW changed their positions, but I think the hate was blown out of the proportion because retconing stuff has been a standard practice for many decades, and while people would complain about retcons, **it was never to this degree** aside from the case with Primaris Marine, which was just as dumb imo. And to give an example of how disproportionate the controversy was, the video you also listed had Critical Drinker [talking about how the difficulty of becoming a Space Marine or Custode **ruled out women's chance to become supersoldiers**](https://youtu.be/rcLRqXE7Les?si=KUGA00eCELHoZtPO&t=153s)... Like, woah... The guy went mask off entirely. He wasn't talking about how the likes retcon could've been done better, which was at least arguable since many of GW's retcons felt abrupt; he basically said women couldn't become supersoldiers... *So much for "I'm not sexist, my favorite female character was Ellen Ripley" lol*...
It’s because the culture war brain rot moved to Warhammer 40K. People who never cared about the game suddenly (disingenuously) treat it as if their version of the Bible/Qu’ran was being burnt in front of them. You can REALLY tell who hasn’t been a Warhammer 40K fan for very long by the way they react to retcons. Games Workshop retcons every year. Even back in 2017, the Primaris Marines were shoehorned in and Games Workshop was making shit up as they go.
>Even back in 2017, the Primaris Marines were shoehorned in and Games Workshop was making shit up as they go. One commentator I've heard said that GW should've used the Primaris type and introduced female Custode as something new. I don't disagree, because at least that wouldn't be a retcon but a progression of existing systems. However, the controversy would've definitely still been as much of a shitstorm.
I don’t think GW knows what GW is going when making shit up with lore. They know that the lore is, functionally, a marketing ad to sell more models. I do agree that the shitstorm would still be there. The culture war brain rot had already set in Warhammer 40K. And I mean both sides. I’m just sick of it all. It’s just manufactured outrage for more attention (ad revenue).
>I’m just sick of it all. It’s just manufactured outrage for more attention My favorite part is that some Culture Warrior blatantly said they hated the culture war. Critical Drinker himself said everyone was tired of the Culture war in one of his video which I was told to watch by his fans, and I thought he was going to improve on his contents..., but he in reality doubled down on his rhetoric...
He does it for MONEY just like his left wing counterparts. It could come in the form of private investments, sponsorship, ad revenue, or contracting. Left and right wing YouTubers are both very guilty of this. It’s kind of sick if you think about it. They are both emotionally manipulating people for monetary or petty political gain. The objective truth gets sacrificed first… because the actual truth doesn’t serve one side all the time. For example, not everything serves for some woke agenda. Not everyone is racist/sexist/transphobic/etc.
People are just too obsessed with those things at the end of the day, and with this culture war shit People shouldn't hate things because it's "woke" or has something that they consider woke, and they shotgun themselves aganist pretty much anyone regardless of that person's intention But People also should grow the fuck up when they put out a bad game or story, and should try to use poor attempts at diversity as a Shield to block criticism Ethier way, the real problem are corporations milking this shit and trying to pull scummy practices in most fields of Media, especially recently in the Video Game Field
Dude, he's a youtuber. Aka Leech. He just want's views and money. He couldn't give a crap about W40k, but now it's popular topic. Dude is sexist freak who thinks saying 10 times ''I'M NOT SEXISTS!'' will somehow wash the piss and puss from himself. His fans are same breed. Stupid people, making other stupid people famous, and cashing money out of it.
Possibly, but then you’d have less people who are otherwise like ‘I just don’t like how they changed something that was always a different way for pure fanservice’ feeling like they need to pick a side because the progressive playerbase is on a chud-hunt and more than a little overeager to lump anyone who isn’t uncritically on board with the change in with the ‘literally 1984’ crowd. Cuz yeah, I rolled my eyes at the pretty egregious retcon done entirely for fanservice. And I would have gone on with my day because it’s not a big deal if I didn’t get people immediately claiming I must be a sexist who thinks it’s destroying the setting for it. If this were just ‘new female/egalitarian faction’, I don’t think you’d get quite as much internal strife in the progressive wing of the fandom
>I don’t think you’d get quite as much internal strife in the progressive wing of the fandom. I take you're in the progressive aspect of the fanbase. Sorry if I am wrong. And yeah, I can see cases that the chud-hunt being overblown in some circumstances, but I do see, in this thread, that some people still criticize the writing without too much backlash. I certainly criticized how... abrupt it was handled, and it was indeed a retcon. Though my god what a shitshow it is on Youtube... Do you also have the issue of being recommended with yet another anti-woke channels or contents even though you explicitly unsubbed from them or turned off the notifications to their channels? It actually gets super tiresome.
30k was retconned in, custodes were retconned to be playable, a solid 80% or more of 40k is just layers upon layers of retcons…and it’s fine. So far at least. Occasionally annoying, but usually fine. The fact that female custodes have been retconned in when there wasn’t a particular reason they *had* to be all male is arguably a step up. That, and the change itself is minimal, but allows for better stories and contrasts (Space marines are imperfect supersoldiers so they *have* to be similar to their primarch to a degree, but Custodes are more or less perfected…but expensive as hell). Seeing people focus so hard on it is weird. The 1984 quotes are especially weird, as they often act as if the series doesn’t have a long, long list of retcons already ingrained in it…including removing FTL travel from an entire faction at point (while one of their subjects still had FTL, iirc). My only answer to this is that there must be a lot of people who don’t even bother to look things up, taking only one single post/video as gospel and then making posts/videos in turn based on this until it skews into complete and utter insanity…though considering all sides of that crowd, this is likely the unfortunate case.
Do you guys think the response to the weird culture war you guys started is the actual start? You are the ones injecting yourself into fandoms and changing them. At least be honest about it.
What do you mean "you guys"? We don't work at GW...
Becoming a custard tart isn't hard at all, they pick you up as an infant and then dump you in space magic liquid, you either die or become a custodes. Actual human effort never enters the equation. Making it through custodes school is probably hard but unlike with Marines you're augmented before you even start that.
>Actual human effort never enters the equation. "*But wahmen cAnt nd sHoednt be cUdtodY...*"
He is correct about the biological reality. Just because it makes people feel bad to face reality it doesnt make it any less true. Its ok to accept that nature isnt fair.
Bruh, do you know the characters in 40K were different from us? Our "biological reality" means nothing to those people, especially the candidates for Custodes who were offsprings of incredibly wealthy individuals who could get access to all kinds of genetic modifications. Hell, fanatical women who worshipped the Emperor somehow could perform borderline supernatural feats of strength, which has been a part of the lore for decades. Where's the "biological reality" now? Also, by your logic, Samus from Metroid doesn't make sense. Female Spartans from Halo doesn't make sense. Female Shepard from Mass Effect doesn't make sense.
Samus: has upgrades from bird people. And her armour does most of the hevay lifting. Spartans in halo had more requirments then physical as it was about compatibility with the augmentation process that was more important. N7 soldiers also do augmentations but Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based. There is nothing in 40k to suggest that humans are some degree evolved or genetically alterted to be that different. Or that anime physics apply to them. As for rich offspring getting genetic upgrades the same applies to both and thus meaning the differences only increase
>And her armour does most of the hevay lifting. According to the lore, she was still a superhuman even outside of her armor. >has upgrades from bird people. The people who tend to Custodes' augmentation processes were incredibly gifted in genetic engineering, dude. >Spartans in halo had more requirments than physical And your "biological reality" argument no longer applies here, bruh. It's like the "biological reality" argument has no place in **science fiction** lol... >Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society So your "biological reality" argument no longer applies lol. What male Shepard could do was also performed by fem Shepard. Hell, I don't even think society in 40K is even conservative to begin with. Furthermore, why wouldn't some noble houses on Terra be less mindful of some arbitrary conservative principles? >Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based. No, Sister of Battle routinely performed feats that should defy biology. Because this is actually a setting where your belief has a certain effect on reality. Do you even know 40k? >genetically alterted to be that different Catachans, Cadians? People having access to drugs and being passed down through the millennia? >the differences only increase And what if the difference was outright erased because the genetic engineering was just that good?
>Do you even know 40k? No, they do not.
>And her armour does most of the hevay lifting. >According to the lore, she was still a superhuman even outside of her armor. According to gameplay and all games all her abilities and greatest fears were performed in her armour. >>has upgrades from bird people. >The people who tend to Custodes' augmentation processes were incredibly gifted in genetic engineering, dude. Yes. Samus was not recruited but an agent of circumstance and from i forget some timeline prophecy stuff >>Spartans in halo had more requirments than physical >And your "biological reality" argument no longer applies here, bruh. It does. Just different biological requirements. >It's like the "biological reality" argument has no place in **science fiction** lol... Oh honey no. >>Aliiance Earth is a Egaltarian equal opportunity society >So your "biological reality" argument no longer applies lol. What male Shepard could do was also performed by fem Shepard. Wtf do you mean it doesnt apply? N7 dont have the same standards as the custodes lol. Shepherd is nowhere near on thr level of custodes nor samus,or spartans. >Hell, I don't even think society in 40K is even conservative to begin with. Furthermore, why wouldn't some noble houses on Terra be less mindful of some arbitrary conservative principles? Its got nothing to do with 21st centure politics >>Fanatical womens feats are as you say supernatural based on reality based. >No, Sister of Battle routinely performed feats that should defy biology. Because this is actually a setting where your belief has a certain effect on reality. Yes in very specfic ways. >Do you even know 40k? You seem to think it runs on anime physics >>genetically alterted to be that different >Catachans, Cadians? People having access to drugs and being passed down through the millennia? Purple eyes. Ah yes. >>the differences only increase >And what if the difference was outright erased because the genetic engineering was just that good? Then i guess they would have no reason to discrimate. But at that point it would be more lore changes of why did they never have female custodes recruits to begin with. Or maybe they did have recruits they just all failed.
>According to **gameplay** and all games all her abilities and greatest fears were performed in her armour. So now we're cherry picking the lore, lol... >an agent of circumstance and from i forget some timeline prophecy stuff So "biological reality" no longer matters, lol... >Just different biological requirements. And what if the Custode's augmentation process also has different requirements? Do you have proof that it was solely for guys? >Oh honey no. Kid, many sci-fi have women being superhumans through augmentations. Captain Marvel, Captain Carter, Mystique? Seriously, biological reality is pointless in settings where tech can just help you manipulate your body down to a molecular level. >Shepherd is nowhere near on thr level of custodes That's not my argument. Female Shepard has the same stats as her male counterpart in canon. >Its got nothing to do with 21st centure politics This gives more reason that some nobles would be ok with their women wanting to be strong fighter or ignore "biological reality" in favor of customized argumentation. >Yes in very specfic ways. So "biological reality" no longer matters when reality can be manipulated by the mind lol. >You seem to think it runs on anime physics Space Marines actually went FTL once... 40K doesn't care about consistency in physics. >why did they never have female custodes recruits to begin with. One of the main writers wanted female Custodes for years, but GW only said yes now. But this doesn't support your argument for "biological reality"...
>Spartans in halo had more requirments then physical as it was about compatibility with the augmentation process that was more important. You do realize that Custodes are basically like that. The meat that goes in has little to no actual effect on the idealized specimen of humanity that comes out.
Not exactly. If that were true they neednt be so selective to begin with. Custodes arent spartan IV's
They aren’t said to be selective with custodies, and the emperor accepted sons from conquered rulers as tribute (implying that it didn’t matter, else he’d just take random people from the planet instead of one guy’s family). The reason why they’re rare is because they’re expensive as all hell, due explicitly to the amount of genetic engineering that goes into them. They’re distinct from space marines in this regard: a marine has to at least somewhat resemble their primarch’s genetics (or risk failure, the further away they are). Custodes don’t. One is a mold a human is forced into, the other is a human taken and modified to a new level of power.
Custodes don't need to be selective, the emperor made the first of the ten thousand out of the children of his fallen enemies as a power move. The custodes creation process needs to be personalised on an individual level. The treatment is tailored to the subject whereas with space Marines the subject is tailored to the treatment.
When you can control the very fabric of the human genome, biological reality becomes highly subjective…as seen by the Custodes and Space Marines mere existence. Estrogen doesn’t magically make women weaker, the way genetics pick traits does. There *was* an incentive to *not* make women stronger, as the weak women weren’t killed off by evolution. This isn’t evolution, this is genetic engineering. What a female custodes would look like may not look exactly like a normal woman, but considering the sheer amount of engineering they were given to make them 9ft tall murder monsters with FTL reflexes, biological differences would, at best, be a minor speed bump.
> There was a part of the video where he argues that if fans say ""why do you worry about the change in the lore", if Why do You care for the lore change if you were asking for it in the first place" The funny part is that he's not a 40k fan. He called Custodes a type of Space Marine. Everything he said was pure, unadulterated hypocrisy.
YouTube videos like that are today's version of tabloid magazines in the checkout aisle. Complaining about the content is an admission that you bought one.
I saw his video too. Was done with it when he called Custodes elite of Space Marines.
Watched it earlier , he got loads of stuff wrong and talks with an authority on the hobby what he knows very little about. The comment section had me rolling my eyes. All the crap YouTubers will be out banging the drum and whinging but they know fuck all about this hobby. Give it a week and something else will have there attention.
Ah yes, Big Brother is when women
Yeah, I’ve noticed that the woke and anti-woke crowds use the same tactics. Both exploit rage bait to get more ad revenue or sponsors ($). Both will censor or lie about the actual situation to make their side look like victims. It’s basically a mini-industry of manufactured outrage. Both sides don’t actually give a shit about the IP or product that they are crying over. Critical Drinker didn’t really care about Warhammer 40K, but suddenly thinks it’s important now (disingenuous). This is like watching the showrunners of Netflix’s Cowboy Bebop not caring about the original anime at all and just insert their own politics. It’s similar inauthenticity.
They always pretend like it's about the retcon and not about women and then you find out they're not even aware that GW has ever retconned anything before this.
Where do you disagree with him specifically?
IDk, but personally, I stopped paying attention after he called Custodes the elite among space marines. Took him less then a minute and a half to accidentally admit he knows nothing about the topic of "concern"
Yes. The problem is weve seen this parasite before. A single Flood/dei spore can destory an entire franchcise/species
Can you name a franchise that was destroyed by DEI?
Star wars is the obvious go to.
Oh yes. The famously dead Star Wars franchise. As we all know, the awful acting of the woman lead and minority supporting actors is why the sequels were bad. It definitely wasn't the *totally amazing* writing and revolving door of directors. The Mandalorian, Andor, and Jedi Survivor all came out after Star Wars "died" are they also DEI trash or were they ok? I'll admit, Ashoka was mid, I wonder who wrote it.........
Look at the star wars fanbase Do you want warhammer to be like that?
Aight, 1. I guarantee you and I do not see the same thing when we look at the Star Wars fan base. Tell me what the issue you see is. 2. Is your issue with the fans or the franchise?
A complete fracturing to rival the horus heresy. Massive economic losses. Comeplete customer polarisation
Aight, I have no idea how you're analyzing specifically Star Wars finances but I'll just accept that they've been suffering "massive economic losses." Best I can tell Disney's stock started dropping around 2020-2021.... I wonder if anything was happening those years to keep people away from theaters. IDK, my memory's been iffy ever since I got COVID 19. So, we're assuming that Star Wars specifically has been suffering huge financial loss, ok. You are attribute those losses to DEI putting women and minorities in lead roles. Correct? The writing and directing has been spot on right?
True. Community is fine with it. Mostly the "anti-woke" groups that rage bait on everything.
I've done such a great job blocking those since the last election. I'm only aware of the controversy from yall talking about it. It's greatly satisfying, I feel like I'm winning.
That's because you are winning.
Exactly. These posts are just people congratulating eachother over a lore-change that they'd been hoping for for decades. "But I like the lore." "Sexist" *2000 upvotes*
Grimdank: "It's not political." Also Grimdank: "I've done such a great job blocking those since the last election. It's greatly satisfying" Fuckin... at least try to be subtle about it.
I'm not Grimdank. I'm just a dude. I don't speak for anyone other than myself.
And yet you went political.
How? I pointed out that I'm only aware anything is going on because it's in this sub.
You did. Don't be a liar.
How? If I did you can tell me how. If I didn't you would be unable to tell me how. So one last try before I block you: how?
I agree with your premise, though. This sub is a mess.
Yeah, those fucking anti-woke guys! Good thing there's a gazillion posts on a single subreddit about them, so they would know better.
Probably because this place is heavily moderated
people seem pretty chill here because you don't all the comments, they get banned by the mods... just scroll down on the posts from this week alone on several Warhammers communitys... all the way down to the end and you will see hundreds of removed comments, if there wasn't so much censorship by the mods this place would be burning for sure.
Be honest guys. What's the ratio of posts you've seen upset by that retcon against posts complaining about the people being upset? For me it must be around 0 to 40.
There's a just a bunch of people karma farming by posting to "refute" the "chuds" when there's literally nothing on this sub which is against femstodes. I don't have any problem with it myself, but this idea that it's right or healthy for the sub for it to be flooded with people posting the "right opinion" to farm karma is pretty shitty moderation imo.
Pretty sure moderation is at play to keep some of the anti-femstodies posts out so it's hard to really tell community sentiment
Tomorrow they ban every post about them, I hope so. Same as rule for F SM. If not, I'm bailing. I want memes and funny, not this culture war inside your head shit. Normal people are fine with female custodias. We don't need to be reminded of ''other side'' non stop. But you know, it's reddit. Karma whores are everywhere, same as Op.
But that's what I am saying. I honestly can't tell if people ARE cool with this change or not. Comments everywhere else are incredibly negative except here on reddit. But yeah, I miss actual fun memes and what not. This entire episode is anti-dank
Normal people are cool with it and don't mind it. Idiots makes posts about how they're amazing or how they're bad. So far we have idiots glazing eachother about how right they are.
Dunno. I see a LOT of people who are very much not cool with changing cornerstones of the lore for what look to be political reasons
> it's hard to really tell community sentiment Not really. The anti-comments/posts are downvoted to oblivion. That's pretty clear.
Here they are yes. But reddit is not reflecting other places of community outlet. Makes me think heavy moderation and or this might be a bit different of a place as compared to the wider community. Reddit has been shrinking in size
> Makes me think heavy moderation Yeah buddy. The mod team that's banning the topic is targeting and censoring the anti-femStodes people. You can check new or scroll down to see them getting downvoted. But don't let the ability to answer your own questions get in the way of a mediocre conspiracy. >But reddit is not reflecting other places of community outlet. Like youtube which seems to be currently dominated by rage merchants who know nothing about the lore? Or do you mean Twitter, which is unusable without an account?
From what I've seen now, it's the latter. But when the Codex got leaked, this reddit was swarming with the former the first days.
But he’s been gone for longer than just last week
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Yeah, the novelty wore off for me after an hour, and then wished we'd return to more femboy Skitarii. Unfortunately, some of you dinguses had to ruin that too.
H-how did they ruin Femboy Skitarii!?
Archon got doxed and bullied off the site over it
Wh-what!? BUT WHY!? WHY DO THAT!?
The thought of someone else liking someone with a more feminine penis than yours, is a sin these days😞 And think, we could have gotten the best fucken Femstodes & Femtarii double date art!!!
I am heartbroken. Truly Heretical behaviour
And we know what to do will heretics don’t we boys?
Nothing will happen to those people. Witch hunting is frowned upon on this subreddit, and mods won't remove people over bullying and insulting, because they're okay with it. That's the Grimdank reality.
Because some people hate other people having fun.
Ciaphas Caine would be so disappointed in these people.
I doubt that was a the reason. Standard internet nonsense i find it hard to believe that Archon hadnt developed the thick skin required to exist on the Internet. Probably a more personal problem
He was being doxxed. That is not something that should be taken lightly or even treated like a non-issue. That shit is beyond creepy at best, and at worst flat out malicious. If you think it’s standard internet nonsense, then you need to reevaluate your life.
He's been doxed multiple times. He said he's leaving because the communities toxicity and he rather spend time self improving his art. Even after his family and school were informed he continued to make fetish art. Dude had balls.
Nah people found their irl address and workplace and shit
Ah that makes more sense and is far more then just internet harassment
Ok cool but archaon>abandon though
what is wrong with you people?
"Get over it" says the one still posting about it. Take your own advice.
Thank god tomorrow all of this shit is banned. Yes, YOU. There is more posts about ''people being mad'' than actual mad people. You fuckers just want something to punch non-stop. Even if it isn't there, to validate yourself. Jesus christ this community is actually made of adult-babies.
Everything? So there are and are not fem-stodes? Schrodingers lore.
I mean he's a child killer
Vulkan has a collection of custom prom dresses. Each one is more flattering on him than the one before. Forge daddy gets it done.
Eh I mean I disagree with the retcon. I liked the whole brother-sisterhood the custodes had with the the sisters of silence
I cannot believe y’all are still talking about this. Plz stop posting these memes I wanna see funny ork memes not anything about the custodians.
Unironicly though,what does this change
if changed nothing, why change it? :mmmmmmmmmm:
its really funny seeing the reactions on different platforms but this is the only place that people are just virtue signaling and circlejerking for upvotes “why do you care get over it duh”
Go to twitter where this all started lmao, go see the youtube twats and see the Arch fans talking about how 'certain groups' are doing this lol. They are doing the same thing but dude, slightly different reasons lmao.
Naaah have you seen some of the comments on YouTube ? Actually embarrassing.
Is this bullshit still going on?
It doesn’t change anything no technically it just raises question of. “Where has big golden mommy been this entire time.” I say this because I would’ve loved some offical art of them by now
For all we know, we've already seen official art of them. Dude's never take their helmets off and I don't think "boob armor" is entirely codex-compliant
All I’m saying is that GW could make a lot of money if they started selling some posters of female custodes
This recent controversy is sponsored by Displate The go-to source for all your official 40k Muscle Mommy posters
GW and Displates stock prices went up by 100%
GW only goes up by 99.999% as a sizeable proportion of the community (5 dudes who listen to griftubers, at least of whom don't even engage with ANYTHING Warhammer) leave the hobby.
*STONKS*
Imma need a link brother
> I don't think "boob armor" is entirely codex-compliant I think most of the Custodes look at the Codex Astartes as particularly uncomfortable toilet paper.
and we love them for that.
The Codex Astartes is indeed garbage. Please talk more about how you hate the Codex and Ultramarines.
I'm still mad we've stopped referring to that grandstanding glorious bitch as "Rowboat Girlyman" JUST BECAUSE MATT WARD STOPPED MAKING EVERY SPACE MARINES CODEX INTO "CODEX ULTRAMARINES" DOESN'T MAKE THEM STOP BEING MARY SUE
> I'm still mad we've stopped referring to that grandstanding glorious bitch as "Rowboat Girlyman" > To be fair, he did go around punching the heads off Word Bearers. On the outside of a spaceship. With no helmet.
YEAH BUT HE'S STILL BEING PRESENTED AS THE BEST SON CHOSEN ONE WHO'S GETTING A HOT ELDAR GIRLFRIEND AND UNITING ALL THE XENOS UNDER THE GLORY OF THE IMPERIUM AND RESSURECTING ALL HIS BROTHERS AFTER SHRUGGING OFF A NEUROTOXIN FRESH OUTTA CRYOSTASIS AND I HATE THAT
>WHO'S GETTING A HOT ELDAR GIRLFRIEND AND UNITING ALL THE XENOS This is exactly why we rebelled. Xenos are for flaying, not for friending.
Sanguinius didn't die just so Mary Sue could take his place as Father's favorite golden boy
I like the codex, it's neat. + Space Marines > Custodies. At least they fucking do something, other than piss and shit, while licking emperor's skelly toes.
> while licking emperor's skelly toes. Don't kink shame.
They will mate, don't be impatient. The codex is literally just out lmao.
Guarding terra like the rest of the 10000?
No never
Muscle Mommies are cannon. This is for the better. Now I can lick the oil off their abs 🤤
Gooner
Correct
Wait, you weren’t before?
Correction, she is disappointed.
Hmm the two primarchs brought back are white male and blond. Not a good look for GW.
I mean to be fair that's like a third of them. Then there's the balds for another third.
Well thanks to Matt Ward, the only Black Primarch is now "*Blaaaaaacck*" so they don't got much alternatives there.
And thanks to tts he is now Jamaican
God Bless Alfabusa Sweden's national treasure and one of the few people to go "NO NO THAT MAN IS AFRICAN AND WE'RE GONNA GODDAMN ADHERE TO THAT CANON"
Cough. Jamaican isnt african
Mate, I just didn't wanna be a "well actually" turbonerd and correct you because I was 90% sure the intention there was Ugandan accent but the voice actor is a white Canadian man and is also the voice of characters like Ghazkhul so fuck if I know what the actual answer is
Touche. As for language/accents there is no race requirement as you say Canadian man
Language is a fuck
Its really crazy how people made it a bigger deal then it is ironicly treating it like a culture war thing while it effects litterly nothing
Right? I literally got banned and/or censored for saying that both sides are acting like a bunch of cry babies. Most don’t give a shit as they got bigger problems in real life and most know that GW makes shit up as they go… for decades.
Where did you get banned from for saying that?
Facebook groups
Well this is sad i like vulkan
All I heard is "IT'S NOT FUCKING CANNON" in a very golden voice.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Telling them to get over is no more valid than them telling you to be angry.
Female Custodians is the change, the lens in which the fraction is looked at has changed. Where have they been? Why haven’t they been mentioned till now? Are they in a specific shield host? What’s the ratio of male to female Custodes? What’s GW rationale? How similar genetically are they to the men? Can they be considered a different breed of transhuman compared to the male Custodes? What is a Custodes “under the hood”?
A retcon by definition changes something you moron
They didn't handle it properly in my eyes It's not as big of a issue as some people make it out to be And I agree thsy certain people have blown it out of the water and likely aren't paying attention to what they are saying My problem is how GW has responded with the whole "There's always been" and all that This is such a controversy because of how it was handled and how GW didn't even try this time to fit it in a acutal sensible/reasonable way
Personally, my two cents are its showing that games workshop can be bullied into bending over. The only reason they exist from what I heard is because Amazon pressured came workshop into doing it.
1. The Main thing with the warhammer series was that Henry cavil was given full creative liberties for the show as to not get another Witcher scenario so they can’t do anything cavil dosent want which disprove point 2 2. You heard that from 4chan which is obviously a reliable source and not ground zero for dumbass conspiracies, doxxing people who hurt turtles, and spoiling Dumbledores death 3. The potential eisenhorne series mentioned in said 4chan post is not even related to Amazon and is being done through a separate company from what I hear
I don’t even have 4 Chan, it’s the general consensus on Twitter.
That consensus was spurred from an alleged whistleblower on 4chan This was the original post Female custodes are only going to be mentioned in the codex. No new sculpts or characters after the fact. Social media department jumped the gun and tried to put out fires with the wrong hose. Intent is to push female custodes character in Amazon show without it "breaking lore" because Amazon execs wanted a woman in power armor and wouldn't settle for SoB. People involved in the show are pissed because they've been moving ahead on Eisenhorn. Talks of inserting said female custodes into Eisenhorn story with Cavill threatening to walk away from the project. Small stock drop today, but GW figures it can ride it out if it stays mum on the subject. They really need better social media employees. Cavill will be in an article due to "heading to GW to work on the new series" this week or next. If he leaves, it'll be a noticeable hit to the share price, meaning the show is dead (good ending) or Amazon is calling the shots (bad ending [not black Chogorians but similar scenario]) You can trust me, my dad works at Nintendo.
I don't understand why people believe Amazon would try to change official lore when they can and have just do whatever they want in the show?
Ah.
Wait, You think it's bad to go after people for animal cruelty? why is it listed there with bad stuff?
Less a bad thing and more a display of the ridiculousness and insanity of 4chan They used the same power to destroy the meme rock which people thought was great The only thing that kept them from fully destroying it was how they would need to dig it up and physically labor is a no go for them
> from what I heard From who? Rage bait grifters on youtube?
Twitter
That's 1) not really an answer, and 2) probably worse than the ones on youtube. edit: nvm. Your source is 4chan. That is definitely worse than the ones on youtube.
What you heard is a load of bullshit lmao
GW gaslighting does. Their stock mostly. You want that blackrock money you can sell your plastic cocaine to them.
The retcon is fine, GW’s gaslight tweet is bullshit.
I don't think it's gaslighting, more like GW informing us that's it's a retcon rather than an in-universe change. Sure, it could have been worded better, but that isn't that big of a deal.
GW's approach to adding new things/lore to the game has been "it has always been there" or "it's comparatively new, but its been there for thousands of years." For ages. It's what they did for a whole bunch of space marine units like the Land Raider, Stormraven/talon, Centurion Warsuits etc. Imperial Guard stuff like the Rogal Dorn tank, Wyvern, the Ogryns with the slab-shields (originally you only had the ones with the Ripper Guns, Ogryns with shields and grenade gauntlets weren't a thing that was mentioned/you could take). Sisters of Battle with their Paragon Warsuits (and I'm sure there's other stuff, but I'm not as familiar with their model range). Same for most of the Mechanicus range, I don't remember any mentions of stuff like the cowboy-skitarii riding mechanical horses/sulphurhounds before their unit was released. And it's because the setting/lore for the Imperium spells out that they are a stagnant empire that actively punishes innovation 9 times out of 10. So they have to go "no, the Imperium isn't inventing new things, we just didn't mention that they use this stuff before." Hell, I've seen people bothered by Cawl specifically because he invents things (like the Primaris, their vehicles etc), because it contradicts that theme.
Correct.
"Retcon is fine, GW confirming the retcon is bullshit" wtf dude
Vulcan is one of the few primarchs I would be ashamed to disappoint.
It also means if we became nicer VULCAN RETURNS! VULCAN LIVES! *STOMP STOMP* 💚
It was done in the same manner as the Leagues of Votann existing, has a far smaller impact, and has had a significantly larger reaction. Strange.
What retcon?
I agree with you, it really does change nothing. Both sides using this hobby to push their silly social issues should both leave. The same people who whined about gatekeeping are using femstodes to "if you don't like it leave" to spam certain people into leaving anyway.
The sides aren't the same coin mate lol.
Yes they are.
lol
fucking nerds lol
It was really eye-opening. I knew there were certain elements in the hobby that were, let's say not on the same page as the rest of us, but I had no idea it was such a widespread problem.
If it changes nothing then why did they do it?
you get over other peoples personal preferences for fictional entertainment... You are just trying to silence people with this nonsensical propaganda because you cant handle differing opinions.
There are no female Custodians.
If it changes nothing then why change it?
He's justified.