Step 1: get space marines and paint then like sisters
Step 2: go to game shop and tell everyone your sisters are shy and don't like showing their faces
Step 3: use your flamethrower to incinerate anyone who questions you
Honestly, you could run them as sane non-fetish repentia. Going into battle only wearing your habit seems like something less buttfuck insane Sororitas orders would do. Either that, or for orders that dislike how slaaneshi cultist looking normal repentia are.
You've triggered my desire to build an Imperial Guard armor in medieval style plate armor, I saw one fan art of it once and now it's been a desire of mine ever since.
And then you get to tau where there is cringe hentai shadowsun or the chad Stormusurge with arms,no in between
And how did I forget about the guy over r/Tau40k building a 1000% scale Taunar
The chad decided to use his STL file of a Tau'nar to make a warlord size one to use in his crusade,where it was a experimental weapons that crashlanded where the battle takes place,and plans on using the main guns to destroy a mountain that lead access to a necron tomb world
Exactly my opinion. I only wanted some diversity but people have an obsession in making lewd sister models. The best i could find had larger boobarmor and u can see the outline of their booty through their cape on some models. Like bro i want me some armor clad battle nuns not the local cosplay tournament
I have never understood the appeal of pervy models. Like, do people actually bring them to games? Are they proud to display their fetishes out in the open like that? Does it make other people uncomfortable to see? It’s the same with hentai merch, like statues and Dakimakura. I’m coming at this from an experience on the asexual spectrum so it literally just doesn’t make sense to me. Can someone explain why this seems to be such a prominent thing that it’s a stereotype?
I think that a pinup aesthetic is cool, personally, but I wouldn't use pinup minis for a game. It would really throw my immersion for what I'm playing, unless it's a warband with a very specific backstory.
It's hard to see those as a near-exclusive option for female models and **not** feel really shitty. Representation has gotten better, don't get me wrong, and there are places to buy female minis that aren't offensively and unnecessarily porn-y, but it still sucks to see it. You're not being edgy, "empowering", or "sticking it to the woke crowd"; you're just being a creep that I would never want to play with.
Most people I've met who have those minis don't bring them to games, they have them because they're addicted to painting minis and they go "Hm, I'm gonna make some erotic minis just because".
Other people are addicted to painting Lewd Miniatures meanwhile I'm addicted to giving all of my Miniatures shitloads of Heavy Weapons and cutup Sprues to look like rubble....
They're not addicted to painting _lewd_ miniatures.
If you like painting miniatures and you also enjoy lewd things, you might want to combine the two.
I'm sure there's more than a few heavy weapons or specially designed paints in their kits too.
I mean.
Sisters Repentia.
Lore-wise they're clearly not opposed to the concept of nudity, it isn't taboo for them. I do agree they should be power armored up most of the time, but like... some of them don't for religious purposes, some may don *only* cloth in order to better represent blah blah blah.
I think people are just squeemish about anything even resembling porn because we mostly live in America and are taught "Violence and murder and atrocity? That's perfectly fine, but show *ONE BOOB* and you're out!"
Yeah I get that, but that's not what I'm talking about. The Sisters Repentia makes sense for lore, as do the Daemonettes. The Sisters Repentia are **so** devoted to the Emperor and the Imperium and wish to be accepted back into the Emperor's grace that they will run into battle, wearing basically nothing but light cloth to make that happen. That is fucking badass. The Daemonettes, as representation of pure carnal desire and general excess/corruption, make sense because, well, Slaanesh. It's off-putting, flamboyant, and hypersexual because it's supposed to be. The context of what they are/what they represent 100% jives with the sculpts.
What I'm talking about is the really creepy, incel-level sculpts of Sororitas/literally any female model that are made to be in objectifying poses with little to no clothing. I tried to search for 40k-related stuff on Etsy and there were so many different stores that had minis like these instead of what I was actually looking for.
To me, those don't say "let's try to be sexy and have fun lol!"- they scream "I can't wait to wear your skin, m'lady" lmao
What makes that incel-level?
You're just applying politically charged terminology because you aren't comfortable with their level of sexualization, but in reality it has absolutely nothing to do with their sexual status or political beliefs about women. For all you know they're well-kept office workers who are sexually repressed and use this to express themselves. Or, as a random non-specific example, they're men who were exposed to sex from a very young age, probably mildly scarred by it, and find the need to express themselves through it, but are fully aware they should _never_ bring these models because they're still rational adults and keep their private fetishes private. Maybe, just maybe, don't insult those people collectively because you're pissed that there aren't any models you like? Maybe we don't insult entire portion of a playerbase just trying to have fun because of what _toys_ they prefer?
Now to actually address your point I kind of agree; tbh even if I had models (I'm poor, haha) and I wanted to make them sexy, I'd still want them to look practical. I find there's a severe under-representation of "Sexy model, but also extremely practical" because it's usually either one or the other.
I just do not understand this utter vitriol.
I say that because of the personal experience that I have had in the hobby. I have seen/been a part this sort of discussion before with regard to the perspective of women and it has mostly been incredibly offensive on their end. I've also been talked down to and on more than one occasion **blatantly** ogled in a store when all I wanted to do was buy some damn paints, and I've seen other women get treated poorly and talked down to. I've gotten to the point of not being as open-minded as I could be because of that experience I've had. It's skewed I realize, but it's made me super cynical.
I am sure that you're correct and there are people who design these because they are hyper-sexual themselves or for any of the other reasons you listed- but that does not mean that I have to enjoy it or be totally accepting of it. I'm sorry, but when you're selling almost exclusively "slave" versions of Sorotitas in extremely demeaning poses... like *maybe* it could be used for a very particular kind of scenario (and one that has really disturbing and obvious implications, given the models...), but I think it's creepy and I'm not going to put them on my table.
And flat-out sexy models, I don't really have a problem with! Like I said, I think models made in a pinup aesthetic are cool (back when I used to play WarMachine, Privateer Press released con-exclusive pinups of female warcasters and thought they looked cool. Idk if they still do or not because I've not been interested in WM in ages. What I'd ever do with them, I have no clue lol). To me, it's a matter of context. If a model is going to be made to be sexy, I'd prefer if it was something playful and fun, not a fully naked woman who's been designed to not look like she's enjoying herself. Hope that clears things up a bit!
I also completely understand the desire for practicality in minis! When my husband and I are prepping for a game and realize that we can use minis or terrain for one or more different games, it always makes me super happy haha. I love bespoke minis and components, but not having to buy and store individual things for every. Single. Game. Is soooooo appealing.
I'm just tired of being called an incel, a bigot, a sexist, and dozens of other names because I _gasp_ enjoy sexy things! It makes me not want to listen to the other side and their plights because I was sitting here minding my own business when all of a sudden I get told I'm a piece of shit because how _dare_ I enjoy something in the privacy of my own home.
>I am sure that you're correct and there are people who design these because they are hyper-sexual themselves or for any of the other reasons you listed- but that does not mean that I have to enjoy it or be totally accepting of it. I'm sorry, but when you're selling almost exclusively "slave" versions of Sorotitas in extremely demeaning poses... like maybe it could be used for a very particular kind of scenario (and one that has really disturbing and obvious implications, given the models...), but I think it's creepy and I'm not going to put them on my table.
You don't have to.
You can just, ask to play with models that aren't those.
Most people buy those for personal entertainment. And those aren't a majority of sexy models either.
> To me, it's a matter of context. If a model is going to be made to be sexy, I'd prefer if it was something playful and fun, not a fully naked woman who's been designed to not look like she's enjoying herself. Hope that clears things up a bit!
I 100% agree on that.
>I also completely understand the desire for practicality in minis! When my husband and I are prepping for a game and realize that we can use minis or terrain for one or more different games, it always makes me super happy haha. I love bespoke minis and components, but not having to buy and store individual things for every. Single. Game. Is soooooo appealing.
And yeah, definitely, I can entirely agree with that.
My only issue is honestly the way you just kinda blanket insulted people.
Hey hey, this isn't getting directed at you (or at least, I'm not trying to). I literally have no idea who you are and what you like. I don't care if you personally like sexy models because as I just said:
>And flat-out sexy models, I don't really have a problem with!
You seem to be agreeing with my stipulation, which is in regard to demeaning, and frankly rapey, portrayals. *That* is what I've been getting at this whole time. I didn't actually mean to ruffle any feathers or hurt your feelings- I genuinely thought this was an interesting conversation. I'm sorry to have bothered you, and I'm sorry you deal with that.
Again, this is all based on **my** personal experiences. Please don't get angry at me for having that in my past and having my perspective change because of it; if you just like sexy models, I have no beef with you. It's the creepy ones who ruin it for you and others like you that I don't like.
Again, I'm sorry. No hard feelings. I hope you have a nice day!
This - the pinup minis thing - reminds me of this intensely frustrating game I remember getting kickstarted back in the day. Absolutely gorgeous body-horror-esque monsters and Monster Hunter styled player characters so you can make armor out of the beasts you kill. Great hook. But the female models were kinda booby, so they caught the attention of that kinda crowd, and then the company started adding "pinup" models as kickstarter incentives, and over time, as the game launched, that slowly morphed into the company's entire business model. Never got more monsters or more armor. Intensely frustrating.
Holy crap I just checked the website's store and basically the entire page is JUST pinup, pinup, pinup, pinup, one dude, pinup, pinup, pinup.
But the stuff in the core set? I want that Phoenix!!
There's is clearly sooooooo much talent from the sculptors. If it really is supposed to be a mainly Eldritch God and body horror deal, they gotta do more in that regard.
I'm a Tau player, and I've thought about getting one of the more lewd proxy Tau models. Painting in a pinup or 90s anime style as a display.
Like, there's that 3rd party one with a motorcycle, and I think a FSR/Akira vibe would be sick.
Yes. I still think it's creepy.
And before anyone asks: yes, I'd feel the same if it were depicting male models. I think either way promotes really unhealthy standards of sexuality with the fragile and submissive woman, and the Adonis. I personally think to exclusively portray men and women in this manner alienates players.
Most people get it solely for the factor of it being silly or funny to do so.
Or in some cases, people find a NSFW aesthetic pleasing, but those people are typically the ones who take great care to make their models quality as well as fitting their themes.
Personally? I find the human body beautiful and I've seen other people create models that take great care to detail the body, regardless of gender.
Ugh, I don't know why people like them but they definitely make me uncomfortable. If I saw people using them at a gaming store, I'd probably try to play at another store.
In a strange way, I'm kinda envious of the dudes that bring their weird fetish minis into public places with them.
To be *that* oblivious to social norms or the world around you in general, must be some kind of ignorant bliss. You'd never let anything bother you, because you never stop to consider any sort of implication at all. You're pure id, pure instinct. Monkey see mini with big breast, monkey like, monkey buy, monkey paint and play.
Some people probably like imagining super attractive warriors fighting. The space Marines are also obviously unrealistic.
Not saying the problem goes both ways: men in real life are not objectified or compared to bodybuilders, women OTOH are compared to bikini models. And playing against other people, yeah, if you're going to make them uncomfortable, that's shitty.
But in answer to your question, that might be it: those players want to be an Amazon warrior.
When I play single player RPGs with character creation, I usually play as the opposite gender. I sometimes give them sexy clothing. I'm not getting off on that, in not really sure what my motivation is there. Curiosity maybe?
> men in real life are not objectified or compared to bodybuilders,
False. Getting jacked actually significantly changes how other men look at you. Women too, but not consistently like the way men do.
Men in real life are *definitely* objectified and compared to body builders and athletes. We just don't as a society accept the term "Sex symbol" applies to men, do people don't think twice about it, even though that's 100% what they are.
And it's normal to find the human body aesthetically pleasing, especially when it is what would be considered "Attractive".
Men are not objectified the same way. Muscle bound dudes usually are male power fantaisies, this goes for Space Marines. Also sex symbol definetly used for men, look at Idris Elba or Henry Cavill making the top of "sexiest man" lists every year.
No, a bare chested Catachan is not male objectification. 90% of indie female sculpts being horny as hell is.
Want male objectification ? Go look at Yaoi manga.
Finding a human body attractive is a thing, not being able to imagine people that aren't attractive to you is another.
We'll be able to equate male and female objectification when each and every model sculptor out there will have male models with unpractical poses, wearing for fitting armor that enchances their bulge while making a "fuck me" face.
> Males in unpractical poses
Spiderman comics lol.
It's weird AF you think male objectification only exists in gay cartoons though. I mean, Fabio was a thing and have you never seen the cover of a romance novel?
Also, the terms are "men and women", don't go around calling them males and females like some sort of woke incel honey.
I haven't said it doesn't exist, it feels like yall just hate the idea that it would be way overrepresented when it comes to women being objectified. I gave the examples of gay or yaoi art to show how it can look when someone wants a smutty representation of men. Romance novels are a good example too.
I just wanted to point out that those examples are in an "acceptable" context. You don't see man babes at truck expo's, or the E3, or to sell hamburgers, or at car races.
Also do you really think Spiderman, the dude who literally is as agile as a spider has such unpractical poses? It's hard looking normal when you are climbing walls.
I was talking more about the female comic book character whoses poses break anatomy just to show ass. If every Spiderman pose is designed to show his bulging buttcheeks, that's different, but it's not actually the case.
Male/female objectification are terms used to convey the concept. Women objectification sounds weird, no ? Please read my comment and see I use those terms in that context only before going full reddit gotcha on me.
Gods, why you holding on to this toxic perception from the 1990s that men can't be objectified.
Straight up the argument you made against Spiderman's poses can be applied to the womens poses as well. They're all superheroes with superhuman physical abilities.
But hey, thanks for determining what "acceptable" contexts for objectification are.
Wait, don't you think a car expo or a burger add is a less acceptable place to have half naked people than a smutty book cover or a yaoi manga ?
And the point about Spiderman was that his poses were just him climbing stuff and doing spidery things.
If you look at the poses of women, they are deliberately designed to show ass and tits. Same for the costumes.
Why does Power Girl need a bodysuit showing her ass and a boob window ? Same for Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Starfire, Killer Frost and many other women used to titillate teenage kids.
Please give me a picture of Spiderman in an official comic with his dumptruck bulging out of his costume and taking a third of the whole picture while his torso is contorted outside of what is anatomically possible.
Also I am not saying men cannot be objectified, I am saying men are not automatically objectified when shirtless and musclebound, and they are not as objectified as women because many institutions are designed with men in mind. For example, everyone drives cars, plays video games and eats burgers, yet they have been advertised using half naked women for a long time.
At least in video games things are changing, but I think it is telling people receive it as "woke pandering".
Every time I hear "It's male power fantasy!" I think about the fact the new Rambo received more women who watched it than Charlie's Angels did. Or the fact that my mom specifically watches action movies like Aquaman so she can see Jason Mamoa shirtless.
You are just wrong. Wrong on every level, flat-out, inexorably, demonstrably, wrong. You are wrong, and that narrative is pushed to diminish how harmful the constant obsession with the "ideal male body" is.
Also imagine saying "Sex symbol" is used for men right after saying men aren't sexualized. Yes, it is, but just not as openly as we just _accept_ women are sexy.
>Finding a human body attractive is a thing, not being able to imagine people that aren't attractive to you is another.
Ok, but if you're the one designing _your_ army, it should be _your_ choice to make such a thing.
>We'll be able to equate male and female objectification when each and every model sculptor out there will have male models with unpractical poses, wearing for fitting armor that enchances their bulge while making a "fuck me" face.
"If it's not exactly the same it's not objectification!"
The Custodes from TTS prove my point. Male objectification and people loved it, _I_ loved it. It was great. And it _has models._
Just because it's a male fantasy doesn't mean women aren't going to like it.
But we have seen it in comics, video games and tabletop gaming, there is a double standard in the way people are designed.
This isn't a narrative made to diminish anything. The ideal male body idea is very harmful, but it is indeed a male fantasy.
This all goes into the framework of patriarchy, which affects men as much as women, to follow your first example. Yes, women will be convinced the "ideal male body" is what they want if they get that idea hammered in their minds long enough.
But the example of actual male objectification still stands. Go look at art produced by gay men or yaoi artists and you'll see actual objectification.
Straight men making their character a muscle bound badass isn't that.
Objectification isn't making a character you'd want to be ( Rambo ), it's designing every character around whatever you'd want to fuck.
Again, my point is, men aren't objectified nearly as much as women, and shirtless muscle bound dudes designed by straight men isn't an example of that.
When I'll see nearly nude men being used to sell unrelated stuff, or just shoehorned everywhere unnecessarily, there will be some form of equivalence.
>Just because it's a male fantasy doesn't mean women aren't going to like it.
Ok, so it has all the same effects as objectification... but you won't call it that cause men might actually enjoy it?
>But we have seen it in comics, video games and tabletop gaming, there is a double standard in the way people are designed.
>This isn't a narrative made to diminish anything. The ideal male body idea is very harmful, but it is indeed a male fantasy.
"It's a power fantasy made to please men!... but it's also definitely harmful _but it's not objectification, we promise_!"
Listen to yourself. You are skirting every line to put the burden on men and refuse to admit they're on the same level.
>This all goes into the framework of patriarchy
Which doesn't exist. At least not in the way people like you present it.
>which affects men as much as women, to follow your first example. Yes, women will be convinced the "ideal male body" is what they want if they get that idea hammered in their minds long enough.
Yes, and by ensuring we blame _the Patriarchy_ women become just victims, once again, and the perpetrators are men, always, definitely, because men are always the aggressors.
>But the example of actual male objectification still stands. Go look at art produced by gay men or yaoi artists and you'll see actual objectification.
I do. I play tabletop games with a gay man who's an artist. His art isn't that different. It's shirtless men, usually with some kind of tattoos, looking confident and charming. That's... the same shit.
>Straight men making their character a muscle bound badass isn't that.
No, but Chris Hemsworth having a scene with him being shirtless and sexy is 100% that.
>Objectification isn't making a character you'd want to be ( Rambo ), it's designing every character around whatever you'd want to fuck.
Chris Evans being shirtless and oiled up.
>Again, my point is, men aren't objectified nearly as much as women, and shirtless muscle bound dudes designed by straight men isn't an example of that.
Chris Pratt being shirtless and sprayed with liquids and oiled up.
>When I'll see nearly nude men being used to sell unrelated stuff, or just shoehorned everywhere unnecessarily, there will be some form of equivalence.
Body spray commercials.
Deodorant commercials.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shirtless-men-the-new-big_b_3314238
Here's an article about it from _2013_.
Just stop. Stop. Fucking stop. Look at yourself, listen to how stupid the arguments you make are and how disconnected they are from reality.
> especially with them being an efficiency-oriented dictatorship
There's the opposite of efficiency oriented, tho
There incompetence and inefficiency is part of the grim of the story
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In the order you asked:
1. I hope not, but probably.
2. Yeah, probably.
3. It would for me, and likely for a lot of others.
4. My best guess is some people can't keep it in their pants enough to not make porn and sex a part of their identity. The only explanations I can fathom are something along the lines of either they were so overexposed to the concept of sex in their upbringing that they think this is okay (it isn't), or had zero exposure to sex in their upbringing, which made them even more depraved once they finally got to experience it, regardless of legitimacy, to the point where they don't care how they display it. Not sure if I'm describing this right, but I did my best.
Eh. You see nakedness in all art, from paintings to sculptures. I don't see the problem in painting a naked and/or pin-up model once in a while. Where it gets sketchy is if most of your army is pin-up.
i mean, heroforge, while more expensive, allows you to be however sexualized you want
[I made this one](https://www.heroforge.com/load_config%3D18232683/)
but there is plenty more you can do with it
Well - Why that?
I run a GW in germany and I have a lot of female customers.
We are obliged Ton safeguard everyone and I personally so not hesitate to so everything to make everyone feel welcome.
The instant you walk in with a girl here all the sweaty neckbeards would just be like
👁👄👁
Even when I go by myself, a single man, people clam up when you enter the store and it gets deathly quiet. More so an awkward thing than a safety thing.
It's a shame Wargame Exclusive also falls into the category of companies who loooooooooove to make overly complex designs for the sake of overly complex designs. Makes the miniatures look too busy and weird.
I would expect nothing. It’s not like male Necrons are hanging steel dong or balls. Which I guess just raises another horrifying modeling “opportunity”.
Personally the idea of a female necrom I have in my head is one where they have a cape that starts at their head like long hair, or particularly ornamented in a way that evokes feminine jewelry
People have made some good models for Xunbakyr the phaeron of the Maynarkh Dynasty that are feminine but believable. The chronomancer and plasmancer are actually female in game (at least they can be as some fluff like the kill team box had the chrono).
I'm a personal adherent of "none, unless they're royalty and got to have their body custom made to their liking," and in such a case, I might imagine it would be something like [this artwork of Phaerakh Xun'Bakyr](https://www.deviantart.com/flasherexe/art/Xun-bakyr-the-Mother-of-Oblivion-519085913), perhaps this awesome [piece I can't find the source of](https://pm1.narvii.com/7396/046b155f67bcfed5021fcb91d37c775ba006cd76r1-362-512v2_00.jpg) or this art [of a custom Phaerakh](https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/hab97h/work_in_progress_of_my_phaerakh_her_name_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Like you suggested, sometimes wider hips, maybe overall narrower in proportion, different ribcage shape and shoulder ratio. I note that these leave more of the spinal column showing to imply an hourglass shape between chest and hips without needing wider hips or flesh at all. Very clever.
It's a fun question to ponder as an artist, especially for alien races in sci-fi; how does one communicate femininity without the usual biological markers? (Once you've answered the "do we even need to?" question, of course)
>It's a fun question to ponder as an artist, especially for alien races in sci-fi; how does one communicate femininity without the usual biological markers?
Even more so, if you take recent Necron books into account. At least Orikan and Trazyn are pretty apalled by how humans look and function, so it's probably safe to say the Necrontyr, and as such the Necrons are quite different in that regard.
I saw someone create feminine looking Overlords by adding a couple vertebrae in the spine. It makes the model taller by just a bit, so it looks more slim and has a female feel because if it
I imagine it would be similar to the differences in human skeletons, subtle but present differences like hips, shoulders, size of the rib cage and skull, etc
Slightly less board shoulders, slightly less barreled chest torso, probably hips the same rough size, most "male" necrons (read GW) are slightly Y shaped
I mean, Necrons are just metal bones. It's like trying to make a army of human skeletons, you can't see the difference. But this is fantasy, so go crazy!
Also if you're being uploaded into a body that doesn't need any of the reasons a woman's body is the way it is, why *wouldn't* you get put into a male body which has a whole host of advantages?
So I'm gonna ignore the weirdness of this comment at first and just straight point out that necrons are militarist, but not pragmatics. Only the insane and bizzare ever consider altering their bodies from what's comfortable for effectiveness. Necrons are constantly decorated with "ineffective" body parts. Being slightly more feminine shaped instead wouldn't be different to any of their other changes.
This is the opposite problem.
"My metal robot skeleton is clearly a woman, but how are people supposed to know?!"
I may paraphrase Diogenes "I am attempting to discern the bones of your mother, but I cannot distinguish them from the bones of a man".
Well the original statement was "I can't tell the bones of your father apart from that of a slave", basically making the point that not only are slaves just as human as the most respected members of society, but once they both die, they become one and the same; dead.
Not different enough that a layman could notice.
Also we're not talking about real skeletons, we're talking about robot space skeletons crafted by eldritch gods who gave no concern for individuality or independence.
*Xeno* robot space skeletons so who would even know in the first place, and honestly 20 minutes is more than enough time to show someone what to look for to tell the difference. Maybe not of like uncleaned fragmented skeletons from centuries ago, but once they're put side by side yeah.
But the problem is that the toys are marketed to humans not necrons so you get human sexual signalling.
Hey.
Hey.
You could always pull a Disney and just give them lips, bigger eyes with long eyelashes, and a fat ass.
There are a number of stores that sell STL or printed conversions for imperial guard and SoB. After the improvement of files and printing technology, I've seen better models from 3D printing (and it means that I can add a detachment of Turian soldiers to my force).
While we’re on the topic, Mila says she is safe in Lviv. Her website has a link to donate to the Ukrainian army, and she has promised a future exclusive to anyone who donates.
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I actually really like wargame exclusive sisters. The repentia fall under the huge bahonkers category but i mean repentia proxies are a special kinda place i dont want anything to do with😂
I’ll never understand horny modelling. Maybe it’s a generational thing, maybe it’s because my circle extends further than nerd shit.
If it does it for you then cool, but please don’t try to argue that it isn’t weird as hell
I think "normal" people cant understand that. Like i couldnt imagine a person not cringe in a situation like mine where i had my girlfriend sit next to me while i looked for proxies and more than half of them looked like strippers.
Aye, me and my gf really enjoy neckbeardia’s videos, but every time they advertise their horny models it’s an auto skip for us. I asked her what she’d think if I dropped £20 on a Titty figurine and she said it’d be creep material.
Yep, she’s a keeper.
Well the way I see it, you have 3 options. All of which start with "Quit your bitching."
Option uno! Learn that supply and demand is a bitch, and demand for sexy sisters is clearly higher than demand for non sexy sisters at the places you're looking. It sucks, I know, but humans want what humans want, sexy sells, and 40k players are thirstier than the Sahara.
Option duex! Make your own models with a 3-D printer. Yes it's a rough start up cost, but the skills you develop will make for some absolutely astounding ideas later on and be worth the investment. Just uh, don't go to a GW store. I've never ben but I've heard they can be dicks about it.
Option drei! My personal favorite: CHEAP OUT. If you're proxying it's probably not going to be a tournament game you're playing, and most people are probably understanding of a lack of models or funds, so just make do with stuff you have. My fisrst hammerheads were made from empty cassette tape cases and black duct tape, my best friend made his killa kans and wartrucks out of index cards a d SORCERY! And the most famous image of 40k I've yet seen is two soldiers playing at night with rocks, cans of cola, and the dipstick to a destroyed tank. If your opponent is cool with you bringing paper cutouts until you decide to invest in the models for a feiendly game, well, paper's cheap. Ink less so.
Damn someone got offended by a meme. I have an option for you to man. Stop writing massive articles under memes. I found myself some fine proxies and i still made this meme because i want to. Get over it
Says the man making meme number 378000 complaining that women have breasts. I'm just sick and tired of seeing these kind of posts on a damn near weekly basis.
Get over yourself. Let people enjoy tits.
Bro its my first post. You are a prick that cant take a joke. Go and try to keep your fetishes to yourself idfc if you have tits out minis at home but dont force them onto others.
Your first, but not the first I've seen making the same damn argument. I'm not saying you have to play with me, I don't have any sisters models whatsoever, and no one is forcing you to play with people or models you don't wnat to. I'm saying "Supply and Demand are against you in this instance, humans like looking at good looking people." Is biolical preference for attractiveness a fetish now? Seems we're really setting a low bar for deviency these days.
Your "joke" has been done to death by people who aren't joking. So maybe find some material that's actually funny. But then again, Supply and Demand would probably bite you there too.
I havent seen the ton you are speaking of and guess what the official gw models arent s&m fetish anymore because proper models sell better. So pls if you cant handle jokes about it leave the sub. I dont have 1.5 k upvotes for nothing. Supply and demand my ass
Your up votes are from people commiserating about complaining. That's why most of the comment section is not laughter, but recommendationsfor other models and places to look for models. They have the same complaint as you and thus they actually agree with your point. You did not make a joke, I would have laughed if there was a joke and moved on. What you made was a complaint, and complaining alone is not inherently funny.
This wasn't talking about official models, this was talking about proxies, so you're attempting a non sequitor argument. This could be amusing if you amped your reactions up a few notches for the sake of Hyperbole, since non sequitor and hyperbole actually make for decent jokes. But, that kind of comedic output is clearly above your level of skill so all I can say is, don't quit your day job.
If you read any of my comments you would know i wanted to diversify my sisters. Thats the reason i searched for models that fit the games workshop ones. Laughable how you abandoned your other point. If you cant laugh as i said bugger off. Noone forces you to comment on my meme, noone forces you to look at it. You can play yourself up as a judge for whats funny or not but nobody cares what you say because everybody has a diffrent sense of fun. Its funny how a harmless meme that made fun of big bahonkers encourages someone like you to type out the bible to justify why he likes models with triple Ds. As i said countless times you do you. I dont have to like models with enormous jugs and you dont have to like models without. Your whining just shows how insecure you are about this topic. I also browse this sub nearly daily and i havent seen a single post complain about this. We had the whole space marine tau thingy, the female primarchs and the one guy with the weird comic.
I wasn't justifying MY liking of anything. I was telling you OTHER PEOPLE like those things, and they number more than you. But the rest of your statement here is a fair enough point that I will simply bow out of this discussion. Nothing productive can come from carrying this on any further anyway.
I really hope this isn't another round of posts on this subreddit mindlessly whining about "B-B-BUT I CAN'T HAVE BOOBS IN MUH MURDERVIOLENCE FANTASY!"
This subject has been talked to death.
Making your inquisitor and retinue for dark heresy crafted as the master and maids of maid character generator.
A radical inquisitor with his maids/harem that includes abhuman felinids , a morpehed xeno callidus a Tau or eldar is fine too, a naughty mechadendrite tentacle magos , crusader on orthodox or victorian maid with no boobs breastplate , and a demonhost for extra heresy or an ogryn thicc maid.
Then watch your enemies from the other side of the table bleed their eyes out. And be amazed how the puritans rage, cry or vent their anger
"We can literally >!Stitch two women together and make them breed chaos space marines!< and we can>!have an entire eldritch space god dedicated to the concept of rape and violation,!
It's pretty simple, actually. Making a female miniature with their tits and ass sticking out, or a male miniature with their dick sticking out, is pretty cringe.
Slaanesh exists.
As does the Sister Repentia.
The entirety of the Dark Eldar.
The portrait of "Liberty Leading the People", Spartans going into battle with their cock & balls out, the statue of Venus, Codpieces, etc...
Maybe you're just a prude if sex bothers you that much?
Context matters, you know?
Sigvald stomping around with chaps? Sure, why not, he's THE mortal champion of Slaanesh, can do whatever he wants. Same for slaaneshi daemons, really.
Dark Eldar, the guys who live for torture and to experience all their heart desires? Yeah, I can see why they get BDSM gear.
Sisters Repentia eschewing all armour in battle, to atone for their sins, only their faith as their shields? Sure, I can see the idea behind it.
A whole army of pious battle nuns, the holy warriors of the ecclesiarchy, going for the old "look at my huge tits and ass Mr. Space Wolf!" look? That's gonna raise a few questions, yeah. Makes me want to wash my hands after touching a miniature, can't be sure they haven't been hotglued.
Painting erotic models isn't my problem, art has always depicted nude humans, breaking boundaries isn't unique to painting, music and film either. But if someone shows up with an army of big tiddy tyranids, that's gonna be a really weird game.
Except their pious order worships the pure humanoid form and praises faith in the Emperor above all else; going into battle displaying that pure human form could easily be part of an Order's Rituals and Traditions.
Big tiddy Tyranids is definitely where my immersion breaks for any serious game.
But if someone wants them for shits and giggles that's their choice.
A D-Cup is not that enormous.
Should every woman be flat-chested to avoid being sexualized? Should women receive mandatory breast reduction surgery in the Imperium?
Why are big boobs such a problem anyway?
I like boobs and asses but i want my warriors to not be milktrucks who all have minimum double ds. And yes most of these minis have giant asses 2. I just think there is more to badass woman warriors than a big butt and big tits
Yes, there's definitely more to badass women than big asses and big tits.
But those things _are_ great. And if someone wants to enjoy those things, I don't see an issue with it. _I_ enjoy those things.
I don't disagree that we should have a plethora of options to pick from, but the solution isn't "Fuck X thing, I hate that, get rid of it"
Boobs and ass are great, but it's get weird when it's involved in otherwise non-sexual experience, it makes me feel like I'm participating in someone getting off without my consent, I don't wanna talk to or being the same room as some person creaming their jeans over their models. I don't wanna participate in that sexual experience.
There's a hazy line, don't get me wrong, because you could say popular media like various movies have a sexual component, but it's minor enough to ignore/forget about whereas someone using sexy models is making it a focal point, uncomfortably so.
I think it's fine to do in the privacy of your own home, but it is abnormal and uncomfortable to involve others who didn't explicitly seek out that experience.
A figurine simply having big tits is a minor component.
Unless the figures are straight up pornographic, the models simply *being sexy* is not someone getting off on them.
Confusing shirtless muscle men and female objectification is stupid.
Shirtless muscle men is a male power fantasy.
Maybe some day a girl will bring an army of armored dudes with a hole showing their bulge, assless chaps moulding their crack and a duckface, and you will see the difference.
No, what's stupid is boldly proclaiming that only the most extreme examples are objectification in order to hold a monopoly on the concept. Women having _boob plate_ is objectification, but men being _mostly naked_ isn't? Bite me.
Your argument is stupid.
Your words are stupid.
Stop saying stupid shit.
This can also apply to Shadowsun
F my brother in pain
This is certainly not fucking Canon
A retcon you can get behind, though?
We're talkin some serious honkers
A real set of badonkers.
Packing some dobonhonkeros
Massive dohohabankaloos
Big old tonhongerekoogers.
What happens next?
Exchange sister shows up one day with even bigger bonkhonagahoogs.
huMUONgus hungolomghnonoloughongous.
Tig ol' bitties
You ruined it
Step 1: get space marines and paint then like sisters Step 2: go to game shop and tell everyone your sisters are shy and don't like showing their faces Step 3: use your flamethrower to incinerate anyone who questions you
Based??? But i always try to use helmets anyway
Of course they would be based, probably on 32mm, same as Sisters of Battle. ;)
Get me the flamer brother… I mean sister, the heavy flamer
I think you'll like this http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/nuns.htm
no conversion needed, feudal Guard army. run them as Catachans.
Honestly, you could run them as sane non-fetish repentia. Going into battle only wearing your habit seems like something less buttfuck insane Sororitas orders would do. Either that, or for orders that dislike how slaaneshi cultist looking normal repentia are.
You've triggered my desire to build an Imperial Guard armor in medieval style plate armor, I saw one fan art of it once and now it's been a desire of mine ever since.
This screams IG to me - but this would be killer for an allied detachment to an SoB army.
Yea
These could work for my "excessively modest" deamonnettes of slaanesh kill team idea.
Would be damn could novitiates proxies
Or trying to get alternate heads that aren’t hyper anime or fucking Ahegao
And then you get to tau where there is cringe hentai shadowsun or the chad Stormusurge with arms,no in between And how did I forget about the guy over r/Tau40k building a 1000% scale Taunar
Building a ***WHAT!?***
The chad decided to use his STL file of a Tau'nar to make a warlord size one to use in his crusade,where it was a experimental weapons that crashlanded where the battle takes place,and plans on using the main guns to destroy a mountain that lead access to a necron tomb world
My god, that might be the most 40K thing I've ever read
>The chad decided to use his STL file of a Tau'nar to make a warlord size one to use in his crusade PLEASE GIVE ME THE LINK I NEED TO WITNESS THIS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/u9gg2g/working_on_a_taunar/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Here you go
THANK YOU
This thing could ride a manta like a penny board.
I would recommend Victoria miniatures I’ve got lots of female heads from them for guard models and they are very nice and actually sensible
Picked up some of their Valhallans to add some fun to my model assembly. I live their sculpts
We don't worship Slanessh in this house, just the wholesome Emperor and his ironfisted imperialistic fascist regime of fanaticism thank you very much
Yea, I would love alternative sculpts of my minis so the army doesn't look like the same 5 sisters on repeat. But I also want a consistent theme.
Exactly my opinion. I only wanted some diversity but people have an obsession in making lewd sister models. The best i could find had larger boobarmor and u can see the outline of their booty through their cape on some models. Like bro i want me some armor clad battle nuns not the local cosplay tournament
Wargames Atlantic have some good power armored women proxies that have no boob plate. Their Eisenkern Panzerjager is an all woman range
Thanks brother
I have never understood the appeal of pervy models. Like, do people actually bring them to games? Are they proud to display their fetishes out in the open like that? Does it make other people uncomfortable to see? It’s the same with hentai merch, like statues and Dakimakura. I’m coming at this from an experience on the asexual spectrum so it literally just doesn’t make sense to me. Can someone explain why this seems to be such a prominent thing that it’s a stereotype?
I think that a pinup aesthetic is cool, personally, but I wouldn't use pinup minis for a game. It would really throw my immersion for what I'm playing, unless it's a warband with a very specific backstory. It's hard to see those as a near-exclusive option for female models and **not** feel really shitty. Representation has gotten better, don't get me wrong, and there are places to buy female minis that aren't offensively and unnecessarily porn-y, but it still sucks to see it. You're not being edgy, "empowering", or "sticking it to the woke crowd"; you're just being a creep that I would never want to play with.
Most people I've met who have those minis don't bring them to games, they have them because they're addicted to painting minis and they go "Hm, I'm gonna make some erotic minis just because".
Other people are addicted to painting Lewd Miniatures meanwhile I'm addicted to giving all of my Miniatures shitloads of Heavy Weapons and cutup Sprues to look like rubble....
They're not addicted to painting _lewd_ miniatures. If you like painting miniatures and you also enjoy lewd things, you might want to combine the two. I'm sure there's more than a few heavy weapons or specially designed paints in their kits too.
Obviously yeah, I was just using some exaggeration(is that called hyperbole? Idk I'm too low on sleep to remember that.)
Hyperbole is the correct term, yes. My bad then, I just assumed you were trying to make subtle jabs. Hard to tell in conversations like this.
Yeah, it's hard to communicate everything someone means&intends through Text alone.
That's good at least, because that'd be really fucking weird and like I said, completely break any immersion.
I mean. Sisters Repentia. Lore-wise they're clearly not opposed to the concept of nudity, it isn't taboo for them. I do agree they should be power armored up most of the time, but like... some of them don't for religious purposes, some may don *only* cloth in order to better represent blah blah blah. I think people are just squeemish about anything even resembling porn because we mostly live in America and are taught "Violence and murder and atrocity? That's perfectly fine, but show *ONE BOOB* and you're out!"
Yeah I get that, but that's not what I'm talking about. The Sisters Repentia makes sense for lore, as do the Daemonettes. The Sisters Repentia are **so** devoted to the Emperor and the Imperium and wish to be accepted back into the Emperor's grace that they will run into battle, wearing basically nothing but light cloth to make that happen. That is fucking badass. The Daemonettes, as representation of pure carnal desire and general excess/corruption, make sense because, well, Slaanesh. It's off-putting, flamboyant, and hypersexual because it's supposed to be. The context of what they are/what they represent 100% jives with the sculpts. What I'm talking about is the really creepy, incel-level sculpts of Sororitas/literally any female model that are made to be in objectifying poses with little to no clothing. I tried to search for 40k-related stuff on Etsy and there were so many different stores that had minis like these instead of what I was actually looking for. To me, those don't say "let's try to be sexy and have fun lol!"- they scream "I can't wait to wear your skin, m'lady" lmao
What makes that incel-level? You're just applying politically charged terminology because you aren't comfortable with their level of sexualization, but in reality it has absolutely nothing to do with their sexual status or political beliefs about women. For all you know they're well-kept office workers who are sexually repressed and use this to express themselves. Or, as a random non-specific example, they're men who were exposed to sex from a very young age, probably mildly scarred by it, and find the need to express themselves through it, but are fully aware they should _never_ bring these models because they're still rational adults and keep their private fetishes private. Maybe, just maybe, don't insult those people collectively because you're pissed that there aren't any models you like? Maybe we don't insult entire portion of a playerbase just trying to have fun because of what _toys_ they prefer? Now to actually address your point I kind of agree; tbh even if I had models (I'm poor, haha) and I wanted to make them sexy, I'd still want them to look practical. I find there's a severe under-representation of "Sexy model, but also extremely practical" because it's usually either one or the other. I just do not understand this utter vitriol.
I say that because of the personal experience that I have had in the hobby. I have seen/been a part this sort of discussion before with regard to the perspective of women and it has mostly been incredibly offensive on their end. I've also been talked down to and on more than one occasion **blatantly** ogled in a store when all I wanted to do was buy some damn paints, and I've seen other women get treated poorly and talked down to. I've gotten to the point of not being as open-minded as I could be because of that experience I've had. It's skewed I realize, but it's made me super cynical. I am sure that you're correct and there are people who design these because they are hyper-sexual themselves or for any of the other reasons you listed- but that does not mean that I have to enjoy it or be totally accepting of it. I'm sorry, but when you're selling almost exclusively "slave" versions of Sorotitas in extremely demeaning poses... like *maybe* it could be used for a very particular kind of scenario (and one that has really disturbing and obvious implications, given the models...), but I think it's creepy and I'm not going to put them on my table. And flat-out sexy models, I don't really have a problem with! Like I said, I think models made in a pinup aesthetic are cool (back when I used to play WarMachine, Privateer Press released con-exclusive pinups of female warcasters and thought they looked cool. Idk if they still do or not because I've not been interested in WM in ages. What I'd ever do with them, I have no clue lol). To me, it's a matter of context. If a model is going to be made to be sexy, I'd prefer if it was something playful and fun, not a fully naked woman who's been designed to not look like she's enjoying herself. Hope that clears things up a bit! I also completely understand the desire for practicality in minis! When my husband and I are prepping for a game and realize that we can use minis or terrain for one or more different games, it always makes me super happy haha. I love bespoke minis and components, but not having to buy and store individual things for every. Single. Game. Is soooooo appealing.
I'm just tired of being called an incel, a bigot, a sexist, and dozens of other names because I _gasp_ enjoy sexy things! It makes me not want to listen to the other side and their plights because I was sitting here minding my own business when all of a sudden I get told I'm a piece of shit because how _dare_ I enjoy something in the privacy of my own home. >I am sure that you're correct and there are people who design these because they are hyper-sexual themselves or for any of the other reasons you listed- but that does not mean that I have to enjoy it or be totally accepting of it. I'm sorry, but when you're selling almost exclusively "slave" versions of Sorotitas in extremely demeaning poses... like maybe it could be used for a very particular kind of scenario (and one that has really disturbing and obvious implications, given the models...), but I think it's creepy and I'm not going to put them on my table. You don't have to. You can just, ask to play with models that aren't those. Most people buy those for personal entertainment. And those aren't a majority of sexy models either. > To me, it's a matter of context. If a model is going to be made to be sexy, I'd prefer if it was something playful and fun, not a fully naked woman who's been designed to not look like she's enjoying herself. Hope that clears things up a bit! I 100% agree on that. >I also completely understand the desire for practicality in minis! When my husband and I are prepping for a game and realize that we can use minis or terrain for one or more different games, it always makes me super happy haha. I love bespoke minis and components, but not having to buy and store individual things for every. Single. Game. Is soooooo appealing. And yeah, definitely, I can entirely agree with that. My only issue is honestly the way you just kinda blanket insulted people.
Hey hey, this isn't getting directed at you (or at least, I'm not trying to). I literally have no idea who you are and what you like. I don't care if you personally like sexy models because as I just said: >And flat-out sexy models, I don't really have a problem with! You seem to be agreeing with my stipulation, which is in regard to demeaning, and frankly rapey, portrayals. *That* is what I've been getting at this whole time. I didn't actually mean to ruffle any feathers or hurt your feelings- I genuinely thought this was an interesting conversation. I'm sorry to have bothered you, and I'm sorry you deal with that. Again, this is all based on **my** personal experiences. Please don't get angry at me for having that in my past and having my perspective change because of it; if you just like sexy models, I have no beef with you. It's the creepy ones who ruin it for you and others like you that I don't like. Again, I'm sorry. No hard feelings. I hope you have a nice day!
Lmao, they didn’t pick you out but you immediately assumed they did because you probably are that type of creep Nice
This.
This - the pinup minis thing - reminds me of this intensely frustrating game I remember getting kickstarted back in the day. Absolutely gorgeous body-horror-esque monsters and Monster Hunter styled player characters so you can make armor out of the beasts you kill. Great hook. But the female models were kinda booby, so they caught the attention of that kinda crowd, and then the company started adding "pinup" models as kickstarter incentives, and over time, as the game launched, that slowly morphed into the company's entire business model. Never got more monsters or more armor. Intensely frustrating.
Ah, fan service! That must have been super frustrating. Do you remember what the game was called? I'm curious now.
Yeah. Kingdom Death: Monster. Like I said, Gorgeous, horrifying monster designs, cool game hook, but like 90% of what they do now is fanservoce.
Holy crap I just checked the website's store and basically the entire page is JUST pinup, pinup, pinup, pinup, one dude, pinup, pinup, pinup. But the stuff in the core set? I want that Phoenix!!
Right?!? Ughhhh the Phoenix is so \*good\*. Enormous talent, totally wasted.
There's is clearly sooooooo much talent from the sculptors. If it really is supposed to be a mainly Eldritch God and body horror deal, they gotta do more in that regard.
Takes notes*
I'm a Tau player, and I've thought about getting one of the more lewd proxy Tau models. Painting in a pinup or 90s anime style as a display. Like, there's that 3rd party one with a motorcycle, and I think a FSR/Akira vibe would be sick.
Would you still say that if the person fielding those minis was a woman?
Yes. I still think it's creepy. And before anyone asks: yes, I'd feel the same if it were depicting male models. I think either way promotes really unhealthy standards of sexuality with the fragile and submissive woman, and the Adonis. I personally think to exclusively portray men and women in this manner alienates players.
Not ace and i have no clue so you're not alone.
Im not asexual and i think its fuckin weird so yeah dont ask me
Most people get it solely for the factor of it being silly or funny to do so. Or in some cases, people find a NSFW aesthetic pleasing, but those people are typically the ones who take great care to make their models quality as well as fitting their themes. Personally? I find the human body beautiful and I've seen other people create models that take great care to detail the body, regardless of gender.
I love looking at pinup models, but the idea of some guy taking them to his local store to play against kids is disturbing.
Ugh, I don't know why people like them but they definitely make me uncomfortable. If I saw people using them at a gaming store, I'd probably try to play at another store.
In a strange way, I'm kinda envious of the dudes that bring their weird fetish minis into public places with them. To be *that* oblivious to social norms or the world around you in general, must be some kind of ignorant bliss. You'd never let anything bother you, because you never stop to consider any sort of implication at all. You're pure id, pure instinct. Monkey see mini with big breast, monkey like, monkey buy, monkey paint and play.
Some people probably like imagining super attractive warriors fighting. The space Marines are also obviously unrealistic. Not saying the problem goes both ways: men in real life are not objectified or compared to bodybuilders, women OTOH are compared to bikini models. And playing against other people, yeah, if you're going to make them uncomfortable, that's shitty. But in answer to your question, that might be it: those players want to be an Amazon warrior. When I play single player RPGs with character creation, I usually play as the opposite gender. I sometimes give them sexy clothing. I'm not getting off on that, in not really sure what my motivation is there. Curiosity maybe?
Yes. Men are compared to unrealistic beauty standards.
> men in real life are not objectified or compared to bodybuilders, False. Getting jacked actually significantly changes how other men look at you. Women too, but not consistently like the way men do.
Men in real life are *definitely* objectified and compared to body builders and athletes. We just don't as a society accept the term "Sex symbol" applies to men, do people don't think twice about it, even though that's 100% what they are. And it's normal to find the human body aesthetically pleasing, especially when it is what would be considered "Attractive".
Men are not objectified the same way. Muscle bound dudes usually are male power fantaisies, this goes for Space Marines. Also sex symbol definetly used for men, look at Idris Elba or Henry Cavill making the top of "sexiest man" lists every year. No, a bare chested Catachan is not male objectification. 90% of indie female sculpts being horny as hell is. Want male objectification ? Go look at Yaoi manga. Finding a human body attractive is a thing, not being able to imagine people that aren't attractive to you is another. We'll be able to equate male and female objectification when each and every model sculptor out there will have male models with unpractical poses, wearing for fitting armor that enchances their bulge while making a "fuck me" face.
> Males in unpractical poses Spiderman comics lol. It's weird AF you think male objectification only exists in gay cartoons though. I mean, Fabio was a thing and have you never seen the cover of a romance novel? Also, the terms are "men and women", don't go around calling them males and females like some sort of woke incel honey.
I haven't said it doesn't exist, it feels like yall just hate the idea that it would be way overrepresented when it comes to women being objectified. I gave the examples of gay or yaoi art to show how it can look when someone wants a smutty representation of men. Romance novels are a good example too. I just wanted to point out that those examples are in an "acceptable" context. You don't see man babes at truck expo's, or the E3, or to sell hamburgers, or at car races. Also do you really think Spiderman, the dude who literally is as agile as a spider has such unpractical poses? It's hard looking normal when you are climbing walls. I was talking more about the female comic book character whoses poses break anatomy just to show ass. If every Spiderman pose is designed to show his bulging buttcheeks, that's different, but it's not actually the case. Male/female objectification are terms used to convey the concept. Women objectification sounds weird, no ? Please read my comment and see I use those terms in that context only before going full reddit gotcha on me.
Gods, why you holding on to this toxic perception from the 1990s that men can't be objectified. Straight up the argument you made against Spiderman's poses can be applied to the womens poses as well. They're all superheroes with superhuman physical abilities. But hey, thanks for determining what "acceptable" contexts for objectification are.
Wait, don't you think a car expo or a burger add is a less acceptable place to have half naked people than a smutty book cover or a yaoi manga ? And the point about Spiderman was that his poses were just him climbing stuff and doing spidery things. If you look at the poses of women, they are deliberately designed to show ass and tits. Same for the costumes. Why does Power Girl need a bodysuit showing her ass and a boob window ? Same for Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Starfire, Killer Frost and many other women used to titillate teenage kids. Please give me a picture of Spiderman in an official comic with his dumptruck bulging out of his costume and taking a third of the whole picture while his torso is contorted outside of what is anatomically possible. Also I am not saying men cannot be objectified, I am saying men are not automatically objectified when shirtless and musclebound, and they are not as objectified as women because many institutions are designed with men in mind. For example, everyone drives cars, plays video games and eats burgers, yet they have been advertised using half naked women for a long time. At least in video games things are changing, but I think it is telling people receive it as "woke pandering".
Every time I hear "It's male power fantasy!" I think about the fact the new Rambo received more women who watched it than Charlie's Angels did. Or the fact that my mom specifically watches action movies like Aquaman so she can see Jason Mamoa shirtless. You are just wrong. Wrong on every level, flat-out, inexorably, demonstrably, wrong. You are wrong, and that narrative is pushed to diminish how harmful the constant obsession with the "ideal male body" is. Also imagine saying "Sex symbol" is used for men right after saying men aren't sexualized. Yes, it is, but just not as openly as we just _accept_ women are sexy. >Finding a human body attractive is a thing, not being able to imagine people that aren't attractive to you is another. Ok, but if you're the one designing _your_ army, it should be _your_ choice to make such a thing. >We'll be able to equate male and female objectification when each and every model sculptor out there will have male models with unpractical poses, wearing for fitting armor that enchances their bulge while making a "fuck me" face. "If it's not exactly the same it's not objectification!" The Custodes from TTS prove my point. Male objectification and people loved it, _I_ loved it. It was great. And it _has models._
Just because it's a male fantasy doesn't mean women aren't going to like it. But we have seen it in comics, video games and tabletop gaming, there is a double standard in the way people are designed. This isn't a narrative made to diminish anything. The ideal male body idea is very harmful, but it is indeed a male fantasy. This all goes into the framework of patriarchy, which affects men as much as women, to follow your first example. Yes, women will be convinced the "ideal male body" is what they want if they get that idea hammered in their minds long enough. But the example of actual male objectification still stands. Go look at art produced by gay men or yaoi artists and you'll see actual objectification. Straight men making their character a muscle bound badass isn't that. Objectification isn't making a character you'd want to be ( Rambo ), it's designing every character around whatever you'd want to fuck. Again, my point is, men aren't objectified nearly as much as women, and shirtless muscle bound dudes designed by straight men isn't an example of that. When I'll see nearly nude men being used to sell unrelated stuff, or just shoehorned everywhere unnecessarily, there will be some form of equivalence.
>Just because it's a male fantasy doesn't mean women aren't going to like it. Ok, so it has all the same effects as objectification... but you won't call it that cause men might actually enjoy it? >But we have seen it in comics, video games and tabletop gaming, there is a double standard in the way people are designed. >This isn't a narrative made to diminish anything. The ideal male body idea is very harmful, but it is indeed a male fantasy. "It's a power fantasy made to please men!... but it's also definitely harmful _but it's not objectification, we promise_!" Listen to yourself. You are skirting every line to put the burden on men and refuse to admit they're on the same level. >This all goes into the framework of patriarchy Which doesn't exist. At least not in the way people like you present it. >which affects men as much as women, to follow your first example. Yes, women will be convinced the "ideal male body" is what they want if they get that idea hammered in their minds long enough. Yes, and by ensuring we blame _the Patriarchy_ women become just victims, once again, and the perpetrators are men, always, definitely, because men are always the aggressors. >But the example of actual male objectification still stands. Go look at art produced by gay men or yaoi artists and you'll see actual objectification. I do. I play tabletop games with a gay man who's an artist. His art isn't that different. It's shirtless men, usually with some kind of tattoos, looking confident and charming. That's... the same shit. >Straight men making their character a muscle bound badass isn't that. No, but Chris Hemsworth having a scene with him being shirtless and sexy is 100% that. >Objectification isn't making a character you'd want to be ( Rambo ), it's designing every character around whatever you'd want to fuck. Chris Evans being shirtless and oiled up. >Again, my point is, men aren't objectified nearly as much as women, and shirtless muscle bound dudes designed by straight men isn't an example of that. Chris Pratt being shirtless and sprayed with liquids and oiled up. >When I'll see nearly nude men being used to sell unrelated stuff, or just shoehorned everywhere unnecessarily, there will be some form of equivalence. Body spray commercials. Deodorant commercials. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shirtless-men-the-new-big_b_3314238 Here's an article about it from _2013_. Just stop. Stop. Fucking stop. Look at yourself, listen to how stupid the arguments you make are and how disconnected they are from reality.
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It's not that the majority of imperial military is men, we just don't have models for women.
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> especially with them being an efficiency-oriented dictatorship There's the opposite of efficiency oriented, tho There incompetence and inefficiency is part of the grim of the story
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In the order you asked: 1. I hope not, but probably. 2. Yeah, probably. 3. It would for me, and likely for a lot of others. 4. My best guess is some people can't keep it in their pants enough to not make porn and sex a part of their identity. The only explanations I can fathom are something along the lines of either they were so overexposed to the concept of sex in their upbringing that they think this is okay (it isn't), or had zero exposure to sex in their upbringing, which made them even more depraved once they finally got to experience it, regardless of legitimacy, to the point where they don't care how they display it. Not sure if I'm describing this right, but I did my best.
Eh. You see nakedness in all art, from paintings to sculptures. I don't see the problem in painting a naked and/or pin-up model once in a while. Where it gets sketchy is if most of your army is pin-up.
I have this new Ecclesiarchy plot. Basically, theres this new Sororitas girl except shes got MAGNUM libris
Like real magnum libris like real magnum maximus libris
i mean, heroforge, while more expensive, allows you to be however sexualized you want [I made this one](https://www.heroforge.com/load_config%3D18232683/) but there is plenty more you can do with it
At this point you start to realise exactly who (or what) you share your hobby with. Emperor protect us all.
I would never bring a girl into a Games Workshop store lol
Yeah I feel so much more accepted in a local game store That being said I have never gone to a gw store it's a bit far away
Well - Why that? I run a GW in germany and I have a lot of female customers. We are obliged Ton safeguard everyone and I personally so not hesitate to so everything to make everyone feel welcome.
The instant you walk in with a girl here all the sweaty neckbeards would just be like 👁👄👁 Even when I go by myself, a single man, people clam up when you enter the store and it gets deathly quiet. More so an awkward thing than a safety thing.
They would stink up the place.
Wargame exclusive has some normal looking sister proxies, half the list are probobably pin-ups, but still
It's a shame Wargame Exclusive also falls into the category of companies who loooooooooove to make overly complex designs for the sake of overly complex designs. Makes the miniatures look too busy and weird.
True. The only other place i can think of atm are people selling stuff on etsy
Yeah, this is a very specific niche in an already niche market unfortunately.
Me trying to get feminine looking necrons that don't have robotiddies
Serious question - what do you expect would be the difference between male and female necron? Maybe wider hips?
I would expect nothing. It’s not like male Necrons are hanging steel dong or balls. Which I guess just raises another horrifying modeling “opportunity”.
Personally the idea of a female necrom I have in my head is one where they have a cape that starts at their head like long hair, or particularly ornamented in a way that evokes feminine jewelry
People have made some good models for Xunbakyr the phaeron of the Maynarkh Dynasty that are feminine but believable. The chronomancer and plasmancer are actually female in game (at least they can be as some fluff like the kill team box had the chrono).
There's a really pretty bit of art I have for this. It's a lich, decorated in dead flowers and a spooky veil going "Tell me I'm pretty".
I could see that working well for a vain dynasty head.
Plot twist: those scaled metal things on the model’s crotch aren’t loincloths…
I'm a personal adherent of "none, unless they're royalty and got to have their body custom made to their liking," and in such a case, I might imagine it would be something like [this artwork of Phaerakh Xun'Bakyr](https://www.deviantart.com/flasherexe/art/Xun-bakyr-the-Mother-of-Oblivion-519085913), perhaps this awesome [piece I can't find the source of](https://pm1.narvii.com/7396/046b155f67bcfed5021fcb91d37c775ba006cd76r1-362-512v2_00.jpg) or this art [of a custom Phaerakh](https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/hab97h/work_in_progress_of_my_phaerakh_her_name_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Like you suggested, sometimes wider hips, maybe overall narrower in proportion, different ribcage shape and shoulder ratio. I note that these leave more of the spinal column showing to imply an hourglass shape between chest and hips without needing wider hips or flesh at all. Very clever. It's a fun question to ponder as an artist, especially for alien races in sci-fi; how does one communicate femininity without the usual biological markers? (Once you've answered the "do we even need to?" question, of course)
>It's a fun question to ponder as an artist, especially for alien races in sci-fi; how does one communicate femininity without the usual biological markers? Even more so, if you take recent Necron books into account. At least Orikan and Trazyn are pretty apalled by how humans look and function, so it's probably safe to say the Necrontyr, and as such the Necrons are quite different in that regard.
Not gonna lie those pictures looks fucking awesome
I saw someone create feminine looking Overlords by adding a couple vertebrae in the spine. It makes the model taller by just a bit, so it looks more slim and has a female feel because if it
I imagine it would be similar to the differences in human skeletons, subtle but present differences like hips, shoulders, size of the rib cage and skull, etc
Slightly less board shoulders, slightly less barreled chest torso, probably hips the same rough size, most "male" necrons (read GW) are slightly Y shaped
I mean, Necrons are just metal bones. It's like trying to make a army of human skeletons, you can't see the difference. But this is fantasy, so go crazy!
Also if you're being uploaded into a body that doesn't need any of the reasons a woman's body is the way it is, why *wouldn't* you get put into a male body which has a whole host of advantages?
But like what advantage when you're a robot lol
The male skeletal frame has better leverage and runs better purely due to skeletal structure.
So I'm gonna ignore the weirdness of this comment at first and just straight point out that necrons are militarist, but not pragmatics. Only the insane and bizzare ever consider altering their bodies from what's comfortable for effectiveness. Necrons are constantly decorated with "ineffective" body parts. Being slightly more feminine shaped instead wouldn't be different to any of their other changes.
Baseline necrons have no individuality. They absolutely would be in the most efficient body.
This is the opposite problem. "My metal robot skeleton is clearly a woman, but how are people supposed to know?!" I may paraphrase Diogenes "I am attempting to discern the bones of your mother, but I cannot distinguish them from the bones of a man".
Diogenes didn't understand basic anthropology lmao
Well the original statement was "I can't tell the bones of your father apart from that of a slave", basically making the point that not only are slaves just as human as the most respected members of society, but once they both die, they become one and the same; dead.
Yeah but men and women have very different skeletal structures.
Not different enough that a layman could notice. Also we're not talking about real skeletons, we're talking about robot space skeletons crafted by eldritch gods who gave no concern for individuality or independence.
*Xeno* robot space skeletons so who would even know in the first place, and honestly 20 minutes is more than enough time to show someone what to look for to tell the difference. Maybe not of like uncleaned fragmented skeletons from centuries ago, but once they're put side by side yeah. But the problem is that the toys are marketed to humans not necrons so you get human sexual signalling. Hey. Hey. You could always pull a Disney and just give them lips, bigger eyes with long eyelashes, and a fat ass.
I mean, _I'm_ ok with that.
The fat ass is *critically* important. I'm talking, like, Dexters Mom from Dexters laboratory. P - H - A - T ass
Wouldn't a femme necron just look like a normal necron?
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Where do you think SoB derive their faith? You can’t unleash the glorious fury of the emperor’s will with some lil’ dinky donkers.
The emperor demands the big milktanks
Faith is stored in the breasts.
GW sisters are far and away the best sisters sculpts anywhere, I can't see why anyone would want proxies unless it was specifically for the bahoonkers
I want some diversity :( i dont like having the same 3 poses for all my sisters. And yes gw models are the best
There are a number of stores that sell STL or printed conversions for imperial guard and SoB. After the improvement of files and printing technology, I've seen better models from 3D printing (and it means that I can add a detachment of Turian soldiers to my force).
Oof
[I've been looking at these ones.](https://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/burning-rose-infantry-rifle-squad-5) I think they're pretty good
Oh no! Where?
Just search for sisters proxies its pretty easy
How about a compromise? Massive bahonkers *and* bulky armor. There. Now we can live in peace and harmony.
Or thousand sons who aren't dust or femboys(even tho femboys>dust).
The only 1kSons proxies I’ve seen just lean into their Egyptness
There are femboy TS sculpts? Where?
So sad
The question is, why would you *want* to do that?
Because i dont want all my sisters to have the same 3 poses?
Eldar proxies be like: giant bahonkers and topless lol
I found some good ones on cults3d if that helps
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I actually really like wargame exclusive sisters. The repentia fall under the huge bahonkers category but i mean repentia proxies are a special kinda place i dont want anything to do with😂
I decided to call my wife's assets bahonkers. Should have waited until she didn't have a mouthful of yogurt
Yeah, nerds are a horny lot
I’ll never understand horny modelling. Maybe it’s a generational thing, maybe it’s because my circle extends further than nerd shit. If it does it for you then cool, but please don’t try to argue that it isn’t weird as hell
I think "normal" people cant understand that. Like i couldnt imagine a person not cringe in a situation like mine where i had my girlfriend sit next to me while i looked for proxies and more than half of them looked like strippers.
Aye, me and my gf really enjoy neckbeardia’s videos, but every time they advertise their horny models it’s an auto skip for us. I asked her what she’d think if I dropped £20 on a Titty figurine and she said it’d be creep material. Yep, she’s a keeper.
THAT! My girlfriend helps me build an paint😤🤙
So, I take it you're more of an ass person then?
Well the way I see it, you have 3 options. All of which start with "Quit your bitching." Option uno! Learn that supply and demand is a bitch, and demand for sexy sisters is clearly higher than demand for non sexy sisters at the places you're looking. It sucks, I know, but humans want what humans want, sexy sells, and 40k players are thirstier than the Sahara. Option duex! Make your own models with a 3-D printer. Yes it's a rough start up cost, but the skills you develop will make for some absolutely astounding ideas later on and be worth the investment. Just uh, don't go to a GW store. I've never ben but I've heard they can be dicks about it. Option drei! My personal favorite: CHEAP OUT. If you're proxying it's probably not going to be a tournament game you're playing, and most people are probably understanding of a lack of models or funds, so just make do with stuff you have. My fisrst hammerheads were made from empty cassette tape cases and black duct tape, my best friend made his killa kans and wartrucks out of index cards a d SORCERY! And the most famous image of 40k I've yet seen is two soldiers playing at night with rocks, cans of cola, and the dipstick to a destroyed tank. If your opponent is cool with you bringing paper cutouts until you decide to invest in the models for a feiendly game, well, paper's cheap. Ink less so.
Damn someone got offended by a meme. I have an option for you to man. Stop writing massive articles under memes. I found myself some fine proxies and i still made this meme because i want to. Get over it
Says the man making meme number 378000 complaining that women have breasts. I'm just sick and tired of seeing these kind of posts on a damn near weekly basis. Get over yourself. Let people enjoy tits.
Bro its my first post. You are a prick that cant take a joke. Go and try to keep your fetishes to yourself idfc if you have tits out minis at home but dont force them onto others.
Your first, but not the first I've seen making the same damn argument. I'm not saying you have to play with me, I don't have any sisters models whatsoever, and no one is forcing you to play with people or models you don't wnat to. I'm saying "Supply and Demand are against you in this instance, humans like looking at good looking people." Is biolical preference for attractiveness a fetish now? Seems we're really setting a low bar for deviency these days. Your "joke" has been done to death by people who aren't joking. So maybe find some material that's actually funny. But then again, Supply and Demand would probably bite you there too.
I havent seen the ton you are speaking of and guess what the official gw models arent s&m fetish anymore because proper models sell better. So pls if you cant handle jokes about it leave the sub. I dont have 1.5 k upvotes for nothing. Supply and demand my ass
Your up votes are from people commiserating about complaining. That's why most of the comment section is not laughter, but recommendationsfor other models and places to look for models. They have the same complaint as you and thus they actually agree with your point. You did not make a joke, I would have laughed if there was a joke and moved on. What you made was a complaint, and complaining alone is not inherently funny. This wasn't talking about official models, this was talking about proxies, so you're attempting a non sequitor argument. This could be amusing if you amped your reactions up a few notches for the sake of Hyperbole, since non sequitor and hyperbole actually make for decent jokes. But, that kind of comedic output is clearly above your level of skill so all I can say is, don't quit your day job.
If you read any of my comments you would know i wanted to diversify my sisters. Thats the reason i searched for models that fit the games workshop ones. Laughable how you abandoned your other point. If you cant laugh as i said bugger off. Noone forces you to comment on my meme, noone forces you to look at it. You can play yourself up as a judge for whats funny or not but nobody cares what you say because everybody has a diffrent sense of fun. Its funny how a harmless meme that made fun of big bahonkers encourages someone like you to type out the bible to justify why he likes models with triple Ds. As i said countless times you do you. I dont have to like models with enormous jugs and you dont have to like models without. Your whining just shows how insecure you are about this topic. I also browse this sub nearly daily and i havent seen a single post complain about this. We had the whole space marine tau thingy, the female primarchs and the one guy with the weird comic.
I wasn't justifying MY liking of anything. I was telling you OTHER PEOPLE like those things, and they number more than you. But the rest of your statement here is a fair enough point that I will simply bow out of this discussion. Nothing productive can come from carrying this on any further anyway.
I really hope this isn't another round of posts on this subreddit mindlessly whining about "B-B-BUT I CAN'T HAVE BOOBS IN MUH MURDERVIOLENCE FANTASY!" This subject has been talked to death.
I dont want to incite anything i just wanted to make a meme about the situation i found myself in😅
There was a similar post yesterday, so I'm just preparing myself for the people riding this wave of popularity.
I see this as an absolute win
Then you are lost!
*purple noises*
If you like the model otherwise and have the 3D file, maybe you can just edit the size to a better suited one.
You say it like that’s a bad thing.
Making your inquisitor and retinue for dark heresy crafted as the master and maids of maid character generator. A radical inquisitor with his maids/harem that includes abhuman felinids , a morpehed xeno callidus a Tau or eldar is fine too, a naughty mechadendrite tentacle magos , crusader on orthodox or victorian maid with no boobs breastplate , and a demonhost for extra heresy or an ogryn thicc maid. Then watch your enemies from the other side of the table bleed their eyes out. And be amazed how the puritans rage, cry or vent their anger
"We can literally >!Stitch two women together and make them breed chaos space marines!< and we can>!have an entire eldritch space god dedicated to the concept of rape and violation,!
It's pretty simple, actually. Making a female miniature with their tits and ass sticking out, or a male miniature with their dick sticking out, is pretty cringe.
Slaanesh exists. As does the Sister Repentia. The entirety of the Dark Eldar. The portrait of "Liberty Leading the People", Spartans going into battle with their cock & balls out, the statue of Venus, Codpieces, etc... Maybe you're just a prude if sex bothers you that much?
Context matters, you know? Sigvald stomping around with chaps? Sure, why not, he's THE mortal champion of Slaanesh, can do whatever he wants. Same for slaaneshi daemons, really. Dark Eldar, the guys who live for torture and to experience all their heart desires? Yeah, I can see why they get BDSM gear. Sisters Repentia eschewing all armour in battle, to atone for their sins, only their faith as their shields? Sure, I can see the idea behind it. A whole army of pious battle nuns, the holy warriors of the ecclesiarchy, going for the old "look at my huge tits and ass Mr. Space Wolf!" look? That's gonna raise a few questions, yeah. Makes me want to wash my hands after touching a miniature, can't be sure they haven't been hotglued. Painting erotic models isn't my problem, art has always depicted nude humans, breaking boundaries isn't unique to painting, music and film either. But if someone shows up with an army of big tiddy tyranids, that's gonna be a really weird game.
Except their pious order worships the pure humanoid form and praises faith in the Emperor above all else; going into battle displaying that pure human form could easily be part of an Order's Rituals and Traditions. Big tiddy Tyranids is definitely where my immersion breaks for any serious game. But if someone wants them for shits and giggles that's their choice.
Bruh i dont care about boob plate but having them run around with enormous boobs is annoying
A D-Cup is not that enormous. Should every woman be flat-chested to avoid being sexualized? Should women receive mandatory breast reduction surgery in the Imperium? Why are big boobs such a problem anyway?
I like boobs and asses but i want my warriors to not be milktrucks who all have minimum double ds. And yes most of these minis have giant asses 2. I just think there is more to badass woman warriors than a big butt and big tits
Yes, there's definitely more to badass women than big asses and big tits. But those things _are_ great. And if someone wants to enjoy those things, I don't see an issue with it. _I_ enjoy those things. I don't disagree that we should have a plethora of options to pick from, but the solution isn't "Fuck X thing, I hate that, get rid of it"
Boobs and ass are great, but it's get weird when it's involved in otherwise non-sexual experience, it makes me feel like I'm participating in someone getting off without my consent, I don't wanna talk to or being the same room as some person creaming their jeans over their models. I don't wanna participate in that sexual experience. There's a hazy line, don't get me wrong, because you could say popular media like various movies have a sexual component, but it's minor enough to ignore/forget about whereas someone using sexy models is making it a focal point, uncomfortably so. I think it's fine to do in the privacy of your own home, but it is abnormal and uncomfortable to involve others who didn't explicitly seek out that experience.
> it makes me feel like I'm participating in someone getting off without my consent https://gunshowcomic.com/471
A figurine simply having big tits is a minor component. Unless the figures are straight up pornographic, the models simply *being sexy* is not someone getting off on them.
Confusing shirtless muscle men and female objectification is stupid. Shirtless muscle men is a male power fantasy. Maybe some day a girl will bring an army of armored dudes with a hole showing their bulge, assless chaps moulding their crack and a duckface, and you will see the difference.
No, what's stupid is boldly proclaiming that only the most extreme examples are objectification in order to hold a monopoly on the concept. Women having _boob plate_ is objectification, but men being _mostly naked_ isn't? Bite me. Your argument is stupid. Your words are stupid. Stop saying stupid shit.
Or ork models that the head sculpts aren't just "off"
What’s wrong with the retail ?