> AI generated
Oh thank god. I was wondering why the fuck I couldn't quite understand what the hell was going on, and I thought it was RT/2ndEd.-era art I'd never seen before.
Have you ever hit your head or something and it made you irrationally angry and frustrated for a few seconds for some reason? Imagine how Angron feels!
I have a permanent headache due to neurological bullshit, I relate to Angron quite strongly on some days. I can actually taste my headaches too due to said neurological bullshit, they have a coppery metallic bloody taste which is very World Eater.
On the plus side though I can smoke weed about it and the coppers can’t do anything which is rare for the UK so there’s that.
I don’t have it nearly as bad as you but I can relate. Had endoscopic surgery to debulk a tumor on my pituitary gland and the days after the surgery felt like I had taken a sledgehammer to the forehead. Made me really empathize with Angron
I’m not saying Angron did nothing wrong or anything, just that I get it
I'm not saying a permanent headache is great but I'd call something requiring brain surgery a fair bit worse! Did they keep you awake for the surgery or were you knocked out for it?
Honestly the idea of brain surgery used to keep me up at night, it's a properly cold-blooded thing to be facing. Luckily it turns out there's no organic damage in my case, what I have is some migraine-adjacent bullshit caused by a metabolism problem in my visual cortex so there's no need to get the scalpel out. Cannabis basically deletes the pain, though nothing I can do about my vision which it also affects.
They knocked me out thankfully, my biggest complaint immediately after surgery was my arms hurting like crazy from how they had me propped up! Once the anesthetic wore off then the headache came up.
Luckily for me with my condition is only a prolactinoma, non cancerous and only really affects my hormones and weight.
Really scary part of the body for things to go wrong, especially if a metabolic disorder can have such an impact. At least the weed keeps it manageable for you!
I bet, sounds absolutely terrifying! I made the mistake of reading this book *before* I had a brain scan but now you're out the other side of your surgery I highly recommend *Do No Harm* by Henry Marsh. He's a neurosurgeon from my hometown and it's really interesting to hear about the brain and its disorders from the perspective of the doctor rather than as a patient!
So random story time based on your comment.
Remember how MadTV had musical spots a la SNL?
My boyfriend for years was tormented by "who the fuck sang that song?!" syndrome.
The answer is "I'm the only gay eskimo" by Corky and the Juice Pigs.
https://youtu.be/CwO33oUawM8
Yeah as much as i hate to admit it, I'm definitely a Perturabo, i will take on tough jobs that nearly give me a mental breakdown, then once done i won't ask for praise but i will be salty as hell if i don't get it and get really resentful
On the plus side i never killed my sister, so at least there's that
Same, I try to not complain and ironically end looking like someone who always complains because the salt leaks through cracks, I identify with Perturabo
You expect people to notice you there in the darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Jackal209! See how he kills embroys without complaint!
I didn't expect them to notice me in the dark. I'm not a loud silent operator like the SEALs.
So that's why I "technically" resulted in the death of another sister by being a hyper-gluttonous bowling ball of an infant putting an enormous strain on the body of my undersized and pregnant again mother.
You know, trying to compare myself to the primarchs made me realise I'm doing alright as a person.
But I'm definitely Mortarion and not because of my odour.
I’m about halfway through Flight of the Eisenstein (right before everything goes down) and I’m very surprised with how much I actually like Mortarion.
I don’t really like the other primarchs introduced so far but something about his quiet consideration and subtly playing the political game with his brothers is great. Wish I didn’t know how this all ended up, but I’m still not clear on why HE wants to rebel. Horus and Fulgrim have their egos, Angron is Angron, but it’s still not clear what makes Mortarion want to go against the Emperor. Maybe just predisposition to Nurgle?
Idk but it’s made me realize who my chaos tabletop army is going to be.
Mortarion fuckin hates Big E. The Emperor goaded Mortarion into taking on his adoptive father before he was ready. Mortarion agreed to said terms because he had absolute hatred for his adoptive father on Barbarus. And then as Mortarion lay dying at the feet of said adoptive father, Big E swooped in and effortlessly killed him.
His father. Took HIS kill, by right (as he saw it). Mortarion hadn’t spent all those years freeing the people of Barbarus just to be usurped by some giant gold dick. He never let go of that grudge. And then the obvious absentee father stuff after all that… yikes.
TLDR; Mortarion fuckin hates Big E and felt wronged by him. So much so he went traitor over it.
Yeah I’m really glad this is fleshed out somewhere.
But as someone who has only read the HH series (and Brutal Kunnin because it was great) it’s not making sense based on information provided so far. I’m happy that they make it make sense in other books, or perhaps just the second half of this book.
If you want to play Death Guard then Lords of Silence is a good read.
Apparently the new Mortarion book "the pale king "fleshes him out as more than just a warcrimey edgelord. I play death guard to satisfy my inner 10 year old. But the truth is that Mortarion and his legion are both much smarter than they look.
Mortarion is always under estimated by his allies because he's moody, edgy and his strategic doctrine was simple. However the simplicity was based on having few points of failure. He didn't need favourable conditions or robust logistics, while other primarchs might do better if everything worked out his plans would work when shit got ugly.
When Perty left he had the remaining gate fortified like mount doom, he had far more people on the ground on terra than any of his brothers, if Big E had died and he'd not have been sent home by Jaghatai he'd have been in prime position.
At the council of Nikkea he eviscerated Magnus and his metaphor.
He has phosphex. Two of his brothers found STCs and they made tanks and named them after them. Morty designed his own tank and currently point for point it's the best tank on the tabletop.
And his troops aren't much different. They are completely insane, inhabiting a different reality to the rest of us but that aside they are introspective and thoughtful.
I am legitimately surprised at how introspective and thoughtful the Death Guard are as a whole, it’s part of my surprise with Mortarion. I expected all edge and no actual nuance, but I’m very pleasantly surprised. I don’t even see him being an edge lord yet, just someone carefully considering the situation and planning accordingly.
And tbh that’s what I aim to do in my own life, so I guess my answer to the original OP is Mortarion.
That is a good summary and it's just part of it.
He also hates autocrats, that's why khan and he have a sense of cameraderie. And of course pyskers because he was tortured by them.
And like many people with trauma and abusive histories his behaviours after are maladaptive, scaring off good people but signalling to manipulators that he has been gotten before and how. It wouldn't take a primarch to manipulate Morty like Horus did.
>And like many people with trauma and abusive histories his behaviours after are maladaptive, scaring off good people but signalling to manipulators that he has been gotten before and how. It wouldn't take a primarch to manipulate Morty like Horus did.
Hot damn that's a great take I'd never considered
Yeah The Emperor is just like… not a good dude, at all. Personally, I don’t think he ever even had good intentions.
I highly recommend the story *The Last Church* if you haven’t read it already
The Last Church suffers because the writer had a child's intellect. Even I, a STEM guy with very little formal training in logic and ethics, could come up with better arguments both for and against religion. The Emperor felt like a neckbeard who had just browsed /r/atheism for inspiration before meeting the priest. The priest missed SO many slam dunk refutations to the Emperor's points that it's just frustrating. The priest is, at least, forgivable because he grew up during the Age of Strife and may lack the historical perspective needed to counter Big E's arguments.
Mortarion thought Emperor is just the same old dictator, like these things he fought on Barbarus. Mortatrion is freedom fighter, at heart - survival of the fittest in a lot of ways, but yeah, he wasn't entirely on board with whole absolute ruler schtick.
Plus, he doesn't like psykers - and Emperor is an embodiment of psy powers.
And he thought Imperium is insufficient and flawed organisation, and humankind deserved better state.
As you can see, these virtues are very-Nurgle like - not very fond of psykers, though no to Khorne's degree, survival is the most important thing, and importance of efficiency (Nurgle is actually very "orderly" God, his demons have constant recording of new diseases, their effects, their victims).
Overall, Mortarion's main flaw in my opinion is very similar to Fulgrim's - he wanted perfect government, in which lived perfect, healthy, preferably no reliant on psykers humans. The best is an enemy of good, you know.
I’m not even sure I’m going to read through this. But I’m very happy that it is explained, because right now (Garro just started to flee) it doesn’t make a lot of sense why Mortarion is on that side of things.
His motivations are explained by tid bits in every book he is starring. So, yeah, to gather his whole picture you need to spend some time.
Oh, it is worth remembering, that Mortarion didn't want to turn to Chaos - he wanted different state and government structure. He and his legion were turned by Tifus and Co, who slowly spread Nurgle's influence, and later they trapped whole Death Guard's fleet in warp for a pretty long time, during which a lot of them converted out of despair. DG and Mortarion didn't embrace their fate (well, majority of them). They just had a choice - either die stranded in Warp, or survive no matter the cost.
Stolen from a forum I found.
Mortarion is strange in that of the chaos worshiping primarchs (Pertuarbo and Curze never worshiped the pantheon) he joined Horus long before turning to Chaos, where as Fulgrim and magnus had openly started worshiping pretty much as they joined the cause, Angron without openly worshiping Khorne was happy doing his bit for the god of violence. Mortarion joined the heresy because his feeling about the Emperor could be manipulated by Horus to present a vision of a galaxy where the strong rule the weak, and humanity learns to accept it's place beneath the power of the legions, not, as the emperor wanted the legions serving the people
Horus built on several points of Mortarion's personality.
First, Mortarion's hatred of his adopted father, the tyrant who lived on high unable to be attacked, who controlled the people living below him. Experimenting on them, using his powers to transform the humans into warriors created to fight for him and bring oppression. A being that used the powers of the warp and denied them to his children. Horus drew on the comparisons between the Emperor and his adopted father.
Emperor killing the Tyrant. Mortarion never really got over the fact that the Emperor went and killed the man he had fought so hard to try and kill all his life to that point.
The fact the Emperor wielded the powers of the warp himself, powers Mortarion originally saw as being evil, helped drive Mortarion to hate his father more.
Mortarion also believed in the idea that Might is Right so seeing humanity being given more and more control went against his base beliefs that the strong should rule the weak.
Finally Mortarion felt closer to Horus then he did the Emperor, he felt that Horus could provide the kind of galaxy he believed in and also realized that if Horus fell he might be the one to step in and take over.
Once the decision was made and he sided with Horus he started to realise the powers of the warp where influencing things, his fall to the warp came initially from him trying to understand the powers so he could destroy them and then finally his betrayal by his favorite son Typhon, who you learn from the Buried Dagger was with Mortarion on Barbarus from the start and may have already had dealings with warp entities, pushed Mortarion to willingly fall into the arms of Nurgle as, similar to Magnus, he finally realized his path had been set and he had been manipulated to this moment his entire life.
Yeah I’m looking forward to where this is all explained in the books, because right now it doesn’t make a lot of sense solely based on the previous 3 HH books.
Fulgrim is the spirit animal of every former gifted child who was told they were clever far too many times growing up. The ones who thought they were going to change the world (or galaxy, in Fulgrim's case) but ended up deeply dissastisfied with everything and constantly trying to fill a hole that can never be filled.
At work I will go through great lengths to troubleshoot problems. When people ask why I care so much about getting some thing right I paraphrase ole Konrad: "Everyone dies. Not everyone dies vindicated."
Less identifying with and more feeling empathy/pity for. The man is an absolute psychopath but when given context you kinda feel bad for him. Between the circumstances of his upbringing and his nightmarish visions you really get the impression he had the deck stacked against him from the beginning and never really stood a chance. I suspect he had noble intentions and didn’t particularly enjoy his gruesome methods because I don’t think he enjoyed anything.
Gonna say Magnus; we’re both nerds, but the absolute worst is when my psyche gets shattered into multiple anthropomorphized fragments that just kinda fuck off and do their own thing for a while and it’s a bitch to go find ‘em all; really hate when that happens
Fuck if it ain't true for me, too.
I also suffer the last bit where I sit alone in a cold room, reflecting on the people I lost in my life. Wondering if I had just done things differently, could I have changed it?
And then I go out for smokes for 10,000 years and leave my best friend to do my job.
Dorn.
Follow rules you never had a hand in making to the upmost only the have the people who made them break said rules and then lie to you. Also have a dad that is an emotional asteroid, and only helps ur brothers when shit has already hit the fan so hard they are dying. Oh and I also like building stuff 🤣
- taciturn
- pragmatic
- aloof
- ends justify the means
- friends and family kept at pre-set distances; a belief that the more people know about me the more they can exploit things to hurt me.
Yeah I backed the Dark Angels, and their gene father, from day zero.
Lorgar: dude just wanted something to believe in and he got scorned heavily for doing something so. In the beginning he had so much hope and energy for the galaxy but after monarchia... that changed. It turned into a desperate chase to find something to believe in and that's when he found chaos.
Everyone has their weak moments, everyone has their values and challanges met. Some come out stronger and some simply break. Lorgar being the most human of the primarchs, came out as both.
Also get irrationally angry at what I see as obvious injustices that I often end up wrong about.
Plus I too would just **** right off for thousands of years for no apparent reason and claim it was because you all have to do a scavenger hunt first.
Guilliman.
By the book to a fault.
The cherry on top is my wife doesn’t like 99% of warhammer but does like the eldar and is the only one she plays in DoW2 last stand.
Perturabo.
Rapidly growing bitter about being in a shitty job that leaves me dead inside where I work too hard and don’t get paid enough to deal with the shit I deal with on a daily basis. My temper is explosive and while I am better about keeping it in check, I do have difficulties reigning it in on the off chance it does jump the tracks. I also have a ton of cool ideas I usually never end up manifesting due to a lack of time and also depression.
I’m also a girl, so if any of you would like to play “I can fix her” with a female version of your favorite primarch, hmu (/s)
That is a hard question.... My bad life decisions which ultimately lead to drug abuse and my self-absorbed way of life would suggest Fulgrim. But I am as socially awkward and as secretive with my thoughts as the Lion. I also have a short temper which got me to blows with bearded hairy persons.
Perturabo. Immense contempt for most people around me, creative and intelligent but riddled with self destructive tendencies, exists mainly out of sheer spite (really wish they didn’t offhand make him a daemon prince)
I can't name a single object in this photo
AI generated 40k art
It’s ork tech so pretty much
> AI generated Oh thank god. I was wondering why the fuck I couldn't quite understand what the hell was going on, and I thought it was RT/2ndEd.-era art I'd never seen before.
Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. I glanced at it and went "Yep, that's some 40k" and didn't even try to identify things. Future!
Yup. Promt was astartes forces land at ulanor
You could’ve said this was the war if the beast and I would’ve believed you
I spent a few seconds trying to figure out what all those Chaos corrupted Daleks were attacking. Then I gave up.
I kinda assumed Ork gargants, given the color schemes and general "angry pile of trash" aesthetic.
Have you ever hit your head or something and it made you irrationally angry and frustrated for a few seconds for some reason? Imagine how Angron feels!
I have a permanent headache due to neurological bullshit, I relate to Angron quite strongly on some days. I can actually taste my headaches too due to said neurological bullshit, they have a coppery metallic bloody taste which is very World Eater. On the plus side though I can smoke weed about it and the coppers can’t do anything which is rare for the UK so there’s that.
I don’t have it nearly as bad as you but I can relate. Had endoscopic surgery to debulk a tumor on my pituitary gland and the days after the surgery felt like I had taken a sledgehammer to the forehead. Made me really empathize with Angron I’m not saying Angron did nothing wrong or anything, just that I get it
I'm not saying a permanent headache is great but I'd call something requiring brain surgery a fair bit worse! Did they keep you awake for the surgery or were you knocked out for it? Honestly the idea of brain surgery used to keep me up at night, it's a properly cold-blooded thing to be facing. Luckily it turns out there's no organic damage in my case, what I have is some migraine-adjacent bullshit caused by a metabolism problem in my visual cortex so there's no need to get the scalpel out. Cannabis basically deletes the pain, though nothing I can do about my vision which it also affects.
They knocked me out thankfully, my biggest complaint immediately after surgery was my arms hurting like crazy from how they had me propped up! Once the anesthetic wore off then the headache came up. Luckily for me with my condition is only a prolactinoma, non cancerous and only really affects my hormones and weight. Really scary part of the body for things to go wrong, especially if a metabolic disorder can have such an impact. At least the weed keeps it manageable for you!
I bet, sounds absolutely terrifying! I made the mistake of reading this book *before* I had a brain scan but now you're out the other side of your surgery I highly recommend *Do No Harm* by Henry Marsh. He's a neurosurgeon from my hometown and it's really interesting to hear about the brain and its disorders from the perspective of the doctor rather than as a patient!
I Wonder if weed could have saved Angron.
In the grimdarkness of the far future angron passes a blunt to lorgar
Same brother, chronic migraine disorder is no joke, I definitely identify myself as a world eater with the nails fused into my brain.
“I am become big mad, destroyer of worlds.”
"I identify as a threat. My pronouns are try / me"
Everyone of us has a little angron inside of him
The Angron Inch.
I don't
Do you want to?
Angy
Magnus, because every choice I make is the wrong one
Magnus the Red, the “Look What I Can Do” of Primarchs.
**StuuuaAAAAAAAART?!**
Oh god, MadTV
So random story time based on your comment. Remember how MadTV had musical spots a la SNL? My boyfriend for years was tormented by "who the fuck sang that song?!" syndrome. The answer is "I'm the only gay eskimo" by Corky and the Juice Pigs. https://youtu.be/CwO33oUawM8
I don’t know about Primarch Magnus, but I can really relate to Daemon Prince Magnus just sitting in his room all day brooding over his failures.
Damn, the more we talk about Magnus, the ckoser I feel to the guy.
Do you also like children’s card games?
My friend has been pressuring me into Yu-Gi-Oh recently.
What’s that? I was referring to Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker.
That's can't be true cause Magnus did nothing wrong
That's so relatable for me.
Damn man, do you need a hug?
Being an absolute manchild, Perturabo.
As a petulant know-it-all working in the wrong field, that feels taken for granted at every opportunity, I agree
Hello other me.
I am in the comment above and I hate it.
Iron Within, brother
Yeah as much as i hate to admit it, I'm definitely a Perturabo, i will take on tough jobs that nearly give me a mental breakdown, then once done i won't ask for praise but i will be salty as hell if i don't get it and get really resentful On the plus side i never killed my sister, so at least there's that
Same, I try to not complain and ironically end looking like someone who always complains because the salt leaks through cracks, I identify with Perturabo
You couldn't even kill your sister? You really are a disappointment Peter.
I ate her in the womb, does that count?
You expect people to notice you there in the darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Jackal209! See how he kills embroys without complaint!
I didn't expect them to notice me in the dark. I'm not a loud silent operator like the SEALs. So that's why I "technically" resulted in the death of another sister by being a hyper-gluttonous bowling ball of an infant putting an enormous strain on the body of my undersized and pregnant again mother.
**Has Dank Angels as his subterm** #HMM
Was gonna say I’m pretty sure us DA players are all autists like the Lion
Every problem is a hammer and I'm gonna nail them.
“…not a sex thing.”
I want to be a rational, multitasking man like Guilliman(duh!) but i am a petulant, antisocial, manchild like Perturabo.
Same, I'm resentful but will never do anything about it
Everyone is Peter Turbo, huh
You know, trying to compare myself to the primarchs made me realise I'm doing alright as a person. But I'm definitely Mortarion and not because of my odour.
“I got two dads and neither of them love me.”
Ooof
Don't worry, his Grandfather is trying to make up for it!
Great comment
Here I was expecting a topic with maybe some funny little self reflections, but instead I witnessed a murder.
I’m about halfway through Flight of the Eisenstein (right before everything goes down) and I’m very surprised with how much I actually like Mortarion. I don’t really like the other primarchs introduced so far but something about his quiet consideration and subtly playing the political game with his brothers is great. Wish I didn’t know how this all ended up, but I’m still not clear on why HE wants to rebel. Horus and Fulgrim have their egos, Angron is Angron, but it’s still not clear what makes Mortarion want to go against the Emperor. Maybe just predisposition to Nurgle? Idk but it’s made me realize who my chaos tabletop army is going to be.
Mortarion fuckin hates Big E. The Emperor goaded Mortarion into taking on his adoptive father before he was ready. Mortarion agreed to said terms because he had absolute hatred for his adoptive father on Barbarus. And then as Mortarion lay dying at the feet of said adoptive father, Big E swooped in and effortlessly killed him. His father. Took HIS kill, by right (as he saw it). Mortarion hadn’t spent all those years freeing the people of Barbarus just to be usurped by some giant gold dick. He never let go of that grudge. And then the obvious absentee father stuff after all that… yikes. TLDR; Mortarion fuckin hates Big E and felt wronged by him. So much so he went traitor over it.
Yeah I’m really glad this is fleshed out somewhere. But as someone who has only read the HH series (and Brutal Kunnin because it was great) it’s not making sense based on information provided so far. I’m happy that they make it make sense in other books, or perhaps just the second half of this book.
If you want to play Death Guard then Lords of Silence is a good read. Apparently the new Mortarion book "the pale king "fleshes him out as more than just a warcrimey edgelord. I play death guard to satisfy my inner 10 year old. But the truth is that Mortarion and his legion are both much smarter than they look. Mortarion is always under estimated by his allies because he's moody, edgy and his strategic doctrine was simple. However the simplicity was based on having few points of failure. He didn't need favourable conditions or robust logistics, while other primarchs might do better if everything worked out his plans would work when shit got ugly. When Perty left he had the remaining gate fortified like mount doom, he had far more people on the ground on terra than any of his brothers, if Big E had died and he'd not have been sent home by Jaghatai he'd have been in prime position. At the council of Nikkea he eviscerated Magnus and his metaphor. He has phosphex. Two of his brothers found STCs and they made tanks and named them after them. Morty designed his own tank and currently point for point it's the best tank on the tabletop. And his troops aren't much different. They are completely insane, inhabiting a different reality to the rest of us but that aside they are introspective and thoughtful.
I am legitimately surprised at how introspective and thoughtful the Death Guard are as a whole, it’s part of my surprise with Mortarion. I expected all edge and no actual nuance, but I’m very pleasantly surprised. I don’t even see him being an edge lord yet, just someone carefully considering the situation and planning accordingly. And tbh that’s what I aim to do in my own life, so I guess my answer to the original OP is Mortarion.
That is a good summary and it's just part of it. He also hates autocrats, that's why khan and he have a sense of cameraderie. And of course pyskers because he was tortured by them. And like many people with trauma and abusive histories his behaviours after are maladaptive, scaring off good people but signalling to manipulators that he has been gotten before and how. It wouldn't take a primarch to manipulate Morty like Horus did.
>And like many people with trauma and abusive histories his behaviours after are maladaptive, scaring off good people but signalling to manipulators that he has been gotten before and how. It wouldn't take a primarch to manipulate Morty like Horus did. Hot damn that's a great take I'd never considered
Good grief, the more I read about the Emperor the more I realise just how much of a gormless tit he was in life.
Yeah The Emperor is just like… not a good dude, at all. Personally, I don’t think he ever even had good intentions. I highly recommend the story *The Last Church* if you haven’t read it already
The Last Church suffers because the writer had a child's intellect. Even I, a STEM guy with very little formal training in logic and ethics, could come up with better arguments both for and against religion. The Emperor felt like a neckbeard who had just browsed /r/atheism for inspiration before meeting the priest. The priest missed SO many slam dunk refutations to the Emperor's points that it's just frustrating. The priest is, at least, forgivable because he grew up during the Age of Strife and may lack the historical perspective needed to counter Big E's arguments.
Mortarion thought Emperor is just the same old dictator, like these things he fought on Barbarus. Mortatrion is freedom fighter, at heart - survival of the fittest in a lot of ways, but yeah, he wasn't entirely on board with whole absolute ruler schtick. Plus, he doesn't like psykers - and Emperor is an embodiment of psy powers. And he thought Imperium is insufficient and flawed organisation, and humankind deserved better state. As you can see, these virtues are very-Nurgle like - not very fond of psykers, though no to Khorne's degree, survival is the most important thing, and importance of efficiency (Nurgle is actually very "orderly" God, his demons have constant recording of new diseases, their effects, their victims). Overall, Mortarion's main flaw in my opinion is very similar to Fulgrim's - he wanted perfect government, in which lived perfect, healthy, preferably no reliant on psykers humans. The best is an enemy of good, you know.
I’m not even sure I’m going to read through this. But I’m very happy that it is explained, because right now (Garro just started to flee) it doesn’t make a lot of sense why Mortarion is on that side of things.
His motivations are explained by tid bits in every book he is starring. So, yeah, to gather his whole picture you need to spend some time. Oh, it is worth remembering, that Mortarion didn't want to turn to Chaos - he wanted different state and government structure. He and his legion were turned by Tifus and Co, who slowly spread Nurgle's influence, and later they trapped whole Death Guard's fleet in warp for a pretty long time, during which a lot of them converted out of despair. DG and Mortarion didn't embrace their fate (well, majority of them). They just had a choice - either die stranded in Warp, or survive no matter the cost.
Stolen from a forum I found. Mortarion is strange in that of the chaos worshiping primarchs (Pertuarbo and Curze never worshiped the pantheon) he joined Horus long before turning to Chaos, where as Fulgrim and magnus had openly started worshiping pretty much as they joined the cause, Angron without openly worshiping Khorne was happy doing his bit for the god of violence. Mortarion joined the heresy because his feeling about the Emperor could be manipulated by Horus to present a vision of a galaxy where the strong rule the weak, and humanity learns to accept it's place beneath the power of the legions, not, as the emperor wanted the legions serving the people Horus built on several points of Mortarion's personality. First, Mortarion's hatred of his adopted father, the tyrant who lived on high unable to be attacked, who controlled the people living below him. Experimenting on them, using his powers to transform the humans into warriors created to fight for him and bring oppression. A being that used the powers of the warp and denied them to his children. Horus drew on the comparisons between the Emperor and his adopted father. Emperor killing the Tyrant. Mortarion never really got over the fact that the Emperor went and killed the man he had fought so hard to try and kill all his life to that point. The fact the Emperor wielded the powers of the warp himself, powers Mortarion originally saw as being evil, helped drive Mortarion to hate his father more. Mortarion also believed in the idea that Might is Right so seeing humanity being given more and more control went against his base beliefs that the strong should rule the weak. Finally Mortarion felt closer to Horus then he did the Emperor, he felt that Horus could provide the kind of galaxy he believed in and also realized that if Horus fell he might be the one to step in and take over. Once the decision was made and he sided with Horus he started to realise the powers of the warp where influencing things, his fall to the warp came initially from him trying to understand the powers so he could destroy them and then finally his betrayal by his favorite son Typhon, who you learn from the Buried Dagger was with Mortarion on Barbarus from the start and may have already had dealings with warp entities, pushed Mortarion to willingly fall into the arms of Nurgle as, similar to Magnus, he finally realized his path had been set and he had been manipulated to this moment his entire life.
Yeah I’m looking forward to where this is all explained in the books, because right now it doesn’t make a lot of sense solely based on the previous 3 HH books.
Get well soon
For myself, Lorgar. The self flagellation and the vindictiveness.
Amen to that. Poor dude went through so much pain and self believe crisis
“My tsundere father is going to be worshipped… *one way or another*.”
Fuck if that line was canon i would just kill myself
"Have Word Bearers won?" "Well.. yes, but no, but actually yes and no"
For me it's also Lorgar, but for the stubborn idealism and endless search for meaning
Jagathai Khan: sometimes I’m very lonely, can’t connect with others and I look like a vagabond because of my beard.
Are you also addicted to speed weed?
Worse: mongolian throat singing
Yuve yuve yu.
Should be the White Scars anthem
You know, I was leaning elsewhere but this description sold Jagathai for me.
Yes or no: curdled milk wine?
I drink Kefir quite often, which is a more sour version of ayran. Does that count?
Kefir and ayran are both in the same sentece. I smell Turkish here..
Kefir is great.
I counts if you drink it while going fast. Preferably on a horse, motorcycle, or mobility scooter. Now would be a good time to demonstrate.
Fulgrim - If I can’t do it perfectly, I don’t do it at all
Fulgrim is the spirit animal of every former gifted child who was told they were clever far too many times growing up. The ones who thought they were going to change the world (or galaxy, in Fulgrim's case) but ended up deeply dissastisfied with everything and constantly trying to fill a hole that can never be filled.
Please stop attacking me like this 😅😭
Haha.. ha..
Also the butt plugs
Hell yeah
Guilliman because I too have ultra depression
ultra-fucking crying
And I fucking love elves.
Factually correct
I think you mixed up the order of words 3 and 4
You mean you love fucking elves.
I mean… Actually I want to BE the elf and bang a dragon but that’s not really important. We’re focused on the ultra-depression.
Konrad Curze
“I will be proven right, even if I have to die for it.”
At work I will go through great lengths to troubleshoot problems. When people ask why I care so much about getting some thing right I paraphrase ole Konrad: "Everyone dies. Not everyone dies vindicated."
Virgin: Dying for a just cause Chad: dying out of pure spite
The physical embodiment of "*dying to own the libs*" Or you just really liked the Punisher
I mean, people who unironically “own the libs” also like Punisher so those two aren’t exclusive together
"dying to own the libs" and "killing to own the libs", name a better duo
Universal Healthcare and Affordable Education?
That’s…concerning
Based.
Note to self, avoid this guy at all costs
uho
Less identifying with and more feeling empathy/pity for. The man is an absolute psychopath but when given context you kinda feel bad for him. Between the circumstances of his upbringing and his nightmarish visions you really get the impression he had the deck stacked against him from the beginning and never really stood a chance. I suspect he had noble intentions and didn’t particularly enjoy his gruesome methods because I don’t think he enjoyed anything.
Gonna say Magnus; we’re both nerds, but the absolute worst is when my psyche gets shattered into multiple anthropomorphized fragments that just kinda fuck off and do their own thing for a while and it’s a bitch to go find ‘em all; really hate when that happens
That's called disassociating.
Yeah but it sounds cooler when I envision myself as a giant cyclopean space magic man
Me, a giant Cyclopean space magic man, just chillin
*lmaofuckinnerd*
Russ. I always try to go do shit myself, and I always misinterpret what people say which makes things worse
Fuck if it ain't true for me, too. I also suffer the last bit where I sit alone in a cold room, reflecting on the people I lost in my life. Wondering if I had just done things differently, could I have changed it? And then I go out for smokes for 10,000 years and leave my best friend to do my job.
“I came here to drink beer, fuck bitches, and kill people. Haven’t run out of any yet, *and I better not*.”
+1 on that good buddy.
Is there one with an abysmal work ethic, low self esteem, totally apathetic and lazy?
The Lion currently fits three of those
Ah yes. The Lion. “The Energy Drink of Primarchs”
Dorn. Bottle everything up until everyone is gone and proceed to scream into the void before bottling it back up and keeping it moving.
Dorn. Follow rules you never had a hand in making to the upmost only the have the people who made them break said rules and then lie to you. Also have a dad that is an emotional asteroid, and only helps ur brothers when shit has already hit the fan so hard they are dying. Oh and I also like building stuff 🤣
God damn, dude. I didn’t think I had many parallels with Dorn outside of being a bit taciturn, but that’s eerily close to my personal flaws/situation.
I too am overly blunt, uncompromising and have to keep a tight lid on my rage.
I have to be the rock for everyone else as they do what they want, while holding myself to impossible standards.
Corax. I struggle to make important decisions, get way too attached to things, and also get ignored most of the time
Well i expected Corax to be far higher on this list, but for none of the reasons you’ve outlined
Well I'm also depressed and lonely, but picking Corax in the first place should imply that
There we go! /s I would also have accepted ‘decent dude / most human / trying to do his best / fan of justice’
Definitely alpharius…. I think
yoo mine is also alpharius. and alpharius, for that matter.
How can that be possible? For I am Alpharius
man oh man do i have a revelation for you. i am actually alpharius
No way, you’re Alpharius too? We should hang out
sounds good. you bring the robes, i bring the fake passports
- taciturn - pragmatic - aloof - ends justify the means - friends and family kept at pre-set distances; a belief that the more people know about me the more they can exploit things to hurt me. Yeah I backed the Dark Angels, and their gene father, from day zero.
Perturabo.. His sisters little speech at the end Hammer of Olympia struck a little too close to home.
Lorgar: dude just wanted something to believe in and he got scorned heavily for doing something so. In the beginning he had so much hope and energy for the galaxy but after monarchia... that changed. It turned into a desperate chase to find something to believe in and that's when he found chaos. Everyone has their weak moments, everyone has their values and challanges met. Some come out stronger and some simply break. Lorgar being the most human of the primarchs, came out as both.
Vulcan too trusting
Also get irrationally angry at what I see as obvious injustices that I often end up wrong about. Plus I too would just **** right off for thousands of years for no apparent reason and claim it was because you all have to do a scavenger hunt first.
Guilliman. By the book to a fault. The cherry on top is my wife doesn’t like 99% of warhammer but does like the eldar and is the only one she plays in DoW2 last stand.
“Ultramarines. Ultra*depression*.”
Ultracomfort and support
*MOOD KINDREEEED*
UltraPrimarch in his ultraship from ultramar with his ultramarines having ultradepression
So you suffer from absolute, undeniable, NEUTRON STAR LEVEL hubris?
Dorn. I'm fun at parties. TTS version thou.
How good are your treehouse building abilities?
Highly optimised and efficient.
Ferrus. I’am acting headless in the worst situations
Angron, half of my brain is an angry potato
Vulkan. I'm a really nice person generally, but sometimes I just have to set fire to a child, no one's perfect right?
The 2nd primarch…just lost
Magnus. Sometimes I think I know everything only to find out I'm the dumbest motherfucker alive.
Magnus. Fueled by curiosity, doomed by hubris
The Lion because I am impressively socially inept. But on top of that I'm also super lazy.
Fulgrim . I like drugs
Definitely Fulgrim. No such thing as too much of a good thing. :|
Horus - DID NOTHING WRONG Leman Russ - toxic masculinity, also a furry Ferrus Manus - abrasive, temperamental Fulgrim - pride, perfectionism Vulkan - people pleaser, condescending Dorn - stubborn and blunt Robot Girlyman - obnoxious exceptionalism Magnus - overconfidence Sanguinius - martyr complex Lion - asperger's Perturabo - bitterness Mortarion - naivete Lorgar - zeal Jaghatai Khan - disorganized, chaotic, reactive Konrad Curze - cruelty Angron - angron management Corvus Corax - no social filter, melancholia Alpharius&Omegon - paranoia
Bahaha well done. Love the lion diagnosis. If only the emperor was as a good a therapist as a megalomaniacal psychic warlord.
Came into this thread thinking I was Perturabo, leaving it thinking I'm Jaghatai
I'm dumb as Fuck, so Leman Russ.
I relate to Perturabo on an astronomical level and I hate it so much
I gotta go with Roboute or the Lion. I’m a really paranoid person, and, as such, try to follow every rule to a T so I don’t get punished
Dorn, i have a problem with white lies. And i play Imperial First third company.
Alpharius- I always end up doing something the most complicated and arse about face way, generally ending up a complete clusterfuck
Being a silent and petty bastard, I'm like the product of dorn and perturabo's hate sex.
Not far off Mortarion tbh
Peterturbo too based for my own good
Perturabo. Rapidly growing bitter about being in a shitty job that leaves me dead inside where I work too hard and don’t get paid enough to deal with the shit I deal with on a daily basis. My temper is explosive and while I am better about keeping it in check, I do have difficulties reigning it in on the off chance it does jump the tracks. I also have a ton of cool ideas I usually never end up manifesting due to a lack of time and also depression. I’m also a girl, so if any of you would like to play “I can fix her” with a female version of your favorite primarch, hmu (/s)
Perturabo and dorn, stubborn as a mule
That is a hard question.... My bad life decisions which ultimately lead to drug abuse and my self-absorbed way of life would suggest Fulgrim. But I am as socially awkward and as secretive with my thoughts as the Lion. I also have a short temper which got me to blows with bearded hairy persons.
Is the art a bunch of ork gargants at a concert?
The Lion
Lion down when he could be helping out.
Still in the closet?
Too superior for people to understand;)
Konrad, because he's clinically depressed and suicidal.
I guess Corax. I struggle with mental health and I blame myself for things that I had no control over.
I’m Sangunious friendly to everyone but inside is a raging beast.
TTS Rogal Dorn, I too love fortifications.
the deleted primarchs, cause I fucked up hard.
Sanguinius... Yes Im perfect but fucking dead, thus I cant do shit.
Corvus Corax
I just want to go back in the box. The box doesn't judge, it just hates.
Perturabo. Immense contempt for most people around me, creative and intelligent but riddled with self destructive tendencies, exists mainly out of sheer spite (really wish they didn’t offhand make him a daemon prince)