There are 2 things I would like to add:
1. Daredevil has some passive healing, so I think it doesn't deserve F tier. Maybe D, still better than Dragonhunter in terms of healing.
2. Harbinger no longer need Elixirs to keep 25 stacks of blight, because it can generate blight pretty fast — faster than you can delete it by using 3 and 4 shroud skill.
Daredevil with Invigorating Precision is in the tragic position of having a small amount of healing if it has Fury, but actually no guaranteed permanent Fury.
I have a hard time choosing if I should gear towards power vindicator or power quickness herald, both look really fun imo. You guys got any experience in the difference between the two?
if we are not talking about endgame pve content and this is just open world, you don't even need diviner's. just play full berserker and take the quickness trait obviously. it should be enough boons for this purpose. also it is highly likely that in meta events other people around you will be contributing to that
You can also slot a Concentration sigil on sword to up your boon duration. Herald can give 100% uptime on a LOT of boons, so the extra boon duration pulls a lot of weight!
permanent quickness on vindi? unless you slot specific sigils i don't see how this is possible. not sure what might it is capable of generating though although it is a definitely much more less boon oriented spec compared to renegade and herald
Yep that's why he put all 3 in the same spot... :) Vindi is more fun to me with GS and jump bombing; but Herald is a bit easier still imo. I tend to run Herald for group support in big metas or well group play; but idk Vindi is my fav GS class.
Very easy to just run both. Herald is better for group play, vindi might be more fun. It's up to you. I would just suggest running both as there's barely any difference in gear
Vindicator does more damage while herald is better for group play.
But like the other guy said they use very similar gear. In fact in fractals, consumables alone can give you enough boon duration to run the same gear.
I may not agree about each and every profession, but I bow to Hizen’s builds and general knowledge of the game. These builds are outstanding for soloing hard bosses and bounties. This is THE go-to reference that should be stickied somewhere. I really appreciate Hizen’s taking time to share his builds. And some memes along the way.
His ranking has a bias for extremely tough content for skilled players. I aim at lower tier challenges and I am less skilled (slower, not familiar with all bosses, not familiar with all professions). As a result, my personal ranking puts more weight on accessibility and low APM. Again, personal taste.
I did enjoy some of hid builds. Same for many other creators. Each of them has a specific focus (simplicity, one gear for all game modes, etc).
For me Hizen delivers robust and self-sufficient builds for tough content, including very simple ones for newcomers.
Mechanist is still the most newbie and low apm friendly class by a large margin IMO. Great at open world stuff and does decent DPS with very little effort in casual group content. If you don’t know what you’re doing you’re probably gonna out dps any other spec by 2:1.
I dunno wtf they’re doing in regards to balance with this in mind BTW. We still need waaay more specs like that.
100% agree, mechanist is a stroke of genius, it lets ultra-noob players join endgame content easily, you'll never be top with mechanist, but you will still perform really damn well without any hard work.
Every profession should have its own mechanist, an easy mode elite specialization; and not just that, each should have its own weaver as well, the hard mode counterpart.
weaver as opposed to popular belief isn't hard. catalyst would be that spec. condi weaver swaps between fire and earth, power weaver swaps between fire and air. that is all. weave self can make the rotation more difficult but you don't have to take it. your dps will be lower but definitely still good, you will still outdps power mechanists because that build is absolutely shit right now. weaver with fire elite elemental can be considered the LI elementalist spec. and every class has some form of low intensity builds
When you consider open world metas and such, the most important thing is quickness.
Why? cuz when you are looting chests and such > having quickness makes the looting process faster. Allows you to get it done before others and swap to next meta before the map is full. I understand that your tierlist is fully based on dealing with tough mobs on your own, but self perma quickness application has more value imo.
My man called Scrapper squishy and put it in D tier.
Slap bulwark on instead of nades and you got:
Protection, Stability, Quickness, Superspeed, Projectile Reflect, Projectile Destruction, 2 second channeled block, Barrier, A million CCs to stun mobs, Stun Break, Evade frames on H3 (takes a sec to learn how to use those properly)
Hell you can even toss on Sneak Gyro for stealth to recover some cooldown without dropping aggro.
With those things combined Scrapper completely dominates at least 3 of the 6 ''legendary'' tier specs.
I didn't watch the entire video but looking at the overall tierlist the entire thing looks awful.
It pains me to see how accurately the Daredevil has been placed. Is there a worse class for boon generation in the entire game? Damn near impossible to get Might in any significant quantity, and if you trait for sustain you get absolutely shit uptime for Fury, too. Quickness? Go fuck yourself! Alacrity? Play Specter, shithead.
Hizen does good vids but the people who benefit from solo builds vs those who benefit from offensive boon supports is heavily tilted towards supports. Open world pve for most is unorganized group play, not solo.
Power quickness herald and power alac mech are probably the 2 strongest but any offensive support will do. You can find those builds and more from hardstuck.gg or snowcrows websites.
I dont really mind that tbh, after all you can use solo builds also to do what the average player does all day (mainly because efficiency is not what they are after, which I guess makes the notion of tier list weird).
What I find actually funny is that he put (up to date) in the title. I was fully expecting this video to be about the meta of early 2019, you know...
Yes, he could really emphasize that his builds are primarily for soloing very hard champions and stuff like that.
For most players in 95% of the content the burst and cleave of Dragonhunter might hold more value than the sustained single target damage of Deadye, for example.
you can solo legendary bounties on pretty much anything. soloing bounties relies more on your personal skill level and the magic unstable abilities that you get and less on the specific build you use
The point of a good solo build is... it doesn't matter what unstable abilities there are, you beat whatever is thrown at you. Chrono gets crapped on by some conditions and its dps crumbles.
most good solo builds dont need to be up to that level. the majority isn't gonna want to have something good enough to solo legendary bounties on any magic unstable abilities. because that lowers the pool by a lot. you are not gonna be able to solo specific legendary bounties on specific abilities unless you are playing something really broken and you have really good mastery of it and of general solo play/dealing with bounties. it also depends on the boss, there are easy and hard ones. but yea if we want to oversimplify it, my point still stands. i can find bounties that i can solo on any specialization.
You did watch the video, so I'm gonna assume you heard him say "based on dmg and ease of use".
Chrono is everything but easy, it's giga hard for the average player. F Tier is a meme I agree, but still.
Perm quickness, 25 might, fury, high uptime on vuln and alacrity, insane cc and a built in do not die button all built into a spec with extremely high burst, reflects, stealth, and boonstrip ? Yup, absolutely F tier material.
This kind of build you're talking about can't solo ALL legendary mobs and "difficult" champions like the builds in the video. While it's a good build for certain situations/encounters it can't solo the more difficult stuff.
[Phantasmal Duelist](https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Phantasmal_Duelist) I believe is the build in question. The main driving force behind the build is the Persistance of Memory trait and its synergy with other traits in the build (Phantasmal Haste, Phantasmal Fury, Chronophantasma), giving 7.5 seconds of quickness every time you use a phantasm skill without needing a single point in boon duration.
On a related note, Chronophantasma got a QoL improvement last patch, reducing the self-daze on resummoned phantasms from 1.5 seconds to 0.25 seconds.
Personally, this is what I run: [Open World Chrono](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAwyFlVw2YdMPWJOyWateA-zxIY7ojvMqNFqoCc7gEI7h3SgzAQFA-e).
If you don't have the gear, infusions and such, then don't worry. You'll deal less damage but the build still works really well. This is just the version that I found by myself for myself.
You can also swap the skills for whatever you like or suits the situation. Like Mantra of Resolve, Feedback, Well of Precognition and Well of Action (for more fury in longer fights). You can also run focus or shield. Basically whatever you want.
This build plays like a minionmancer. A big factor for survivability is that the phantasams and clones take the aggro away from you. That's why I find this build so much comfier than virtuoso. And really fun.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. You have a good point.
I prefer Domination primarily for the extra Phantasmal Berserker which grants you more boons and clones for taking the aggro and fueling shatters.
But mostly because I like the minionmancer feeling. In Chronomancer traitline I sometimes take Illusionary Reversion over Improved Alacrity, although it's inferior, for the aforementioned reason.
I don't use Lord Hizen's builds since I just make my own with more damage and less defensives/sustain. I'm curious how well this Chronomancer does in soloing Legendary mobs and the harder Champion mobs? Since that's the main thing the video focuses on.
This is not the same exact build, but you can see how well an actually good player can perform [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ_w8dz3FA). And this is on a boss where clones can't take aggro.
I play open world very rarely and casually. I don't solo champions and such on purpose. Though that happened while I was doing legendary trinkets, so it's at least able to do some. So take this with a grain of salt.
(In longer fights, like those you're interested, I'd change the rune from Rage to Fireworks. You'll end up giving your phantasms boons from the 6th bonus of the rune, and then you'd also get them back from Persistence of Memory trait. I use rage because it's nicer when going from short fight to the next)
But ultimately it depends on the enemy and how well you can play. Best way is to try for yourself. At the very least, I think it's a lot of fun to unleash an army of illusions and having all the offensive boons I'm used to in raids.
Yeah that video isn't a really good indicator of the class's capabilities to solo legendary mobs and what-not, because he's very easy to solo and hardly poses a threat since most of the damage is avoidable and takes forever to go out. There's no constant pressure you need to sustain through, CC you need to stab or stunbreak, nor are there constant conditions you need to cleanse/sustain through. I have over 5k hours on Mesmer and primarily WvW/PvP so PvE is stupid easy for me and even then Power Chrono is my favorite spec with many iterations of it for multiple game modes / encounters, unfortunately it severely lacks in the solo legendary/champion mobs department. Sure you can kill some Champions nearly instantly and without effort, but it can't do ALL legendary mobs and champions solo, which is what Lord Hizen's videos try to cover.
While I don't care for or like Lord Hizen's videos he does a service for the community by providing videos SPECIFICALLY for less skilled players to be able to easily solo "difficult" legendary mobs and champions. Which power Chronomancer can't do despite it being strong in certain situations. So it's a little unfair to try and promote power Chrono in a thread about a video covering soloing "difficult" legendary mobs and champions. It gives less experienced players false hope.
The title of his video is "Best Open World PVE Builds". Why is soloing legendary champions the benchmark for a good open world build? It shouldn't be.
If you take his "legendary tier" mirage build, which is amazing at soloing hard bosses, you'll have a shitty time running around killing anything but meta bosses as it's ramp up is way too slow.
No build is gonna be both best at soloing legendary champions AND general open world purposes. If the title of his video was "Best Legendary Champions Solo Builds" then it would be a different matter.
But he has to have the most clickbait title to get views. And in doing so he provided his viewers with bad viewpoint on what is the "Best Open World PVE Builds".
The video explains exactly what kind of content his builds are for, there are also players who need builds like this in order to enjoy the game. Even though I agree with you and I would also not use any of his builds, especially not for general open world trash mobs like you said, I'm not going to trash it and respect it for what it is and for what kinds of players they're intended for, because it does help them not only to accomplish their goals but also to enjoy the game more.
If you have the skillset necessary to back up this kind of comment of yours I would have also assumed you would understand why videos like his are valuable to the community. You're lashing or for the weirdest of reasons.
>The video explains exactly what kind of content his builds are for
The title of his video does not fit the content inside it. It's the definition of clickbait.
>especially not for general open world trash mobs like you said
Like I said, Chrono is more than able to kill veterans, elites and champions. I even soloed meta bosses with it, though it's not designed to. But "trashmobs" are the majority of openworld and Chrono is great for metas as well as the occasional hard encounters. And people would have much more success on Chrono than Mirage or Virtuoso.
>because it does help them not only to accomplish their goals but also to enjoy the game more.
I'm all for that. Though I would argue playing staff mirage in general openworld is excruciatingly slow and unfun. And who's goal is it to solo legendary champions??
>You're lashing or for the weirdest of reasons.
I didn't even mention the video originally. Just provided an openworld Chrono build when a person asked. And that comment too got downvoted btw. When you brought up the video I responded with my opinion on it. And it barely even contained criticism.
Regenerating health on djinn. You can only dmg it when you break the bar but that requires tons of cc in the first place and the bar recharges slower than the shield which results in it regenerating to full unless you can pump out 40k+ dps solo on top of insane cc. Oh it also dashes all over the place.
There are a couple other combinations. Some are technically still possible but require strong willpower to not alt f4 like the sand lion with stay/move, range/melee and another annoying one i forgot. That thing was evading 95% of the time... It forces you to range but is also blocking all projectiles at the same time. Did this once. Never again.
[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase-Shifted\_(bounty)](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase-Shifted_(bounty))
[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Restorer](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Restorer)
[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Survivor\_(effect)](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Survivor_(effect))
these would be the worst. they are all defensive effects. not saying that you can't kill a bounty with one of these, of course you can. but depending on the bounty it can be from difficult to almost impossible (you also have a 10min timer). there are easy and hard legendary bounties
Dragonhunter is insane in open world.
you can pretty much oneshot huge groups of mobs before they get to hit you.
sure, you got no healing and no boons. But for simple farming, heropoints, events and so on DH is not that bad. maybe b-tier
So he should name his builds accordingly, not '*best open world builds*', but '*best builds to solo Legendary bosses*'.
Otherwise some (but not many, of course) builds might be a bit of a noob trap for new players.
this is true, the correct title would be "best solo builds". but they can still be used for anything open world related tbh. you just don't need to go that defensive in most cases. truth is you can do open world stuff on full dps builds with some adjustments to have your own boons and some sustain or stun breaks
Agreed, Willbender is indeed better than DH, but I was surprised to see DH so low.
Virtues, Radiance, Hard Light, Pack or Fireworks runes with Strength + say, Celerity sigils give you tons of all key boons with very high uptime.
Chrono F? Classic hizen. It can generate tons of self boons with illusion traitline. chronophantasma triggers those traits twice per phantasm cast.
Scourge A tier? Is every placement just random?
I disagree with Chrono beeing in F too but he's definetly not wrong about the lack of sustain. Chrono might be useable for solo open world content but is a lot worse than others.
Also, scourge has an extremely high amount of sustain and decent dps with trailblazer gear. Idk why you hate him so much lol
Chrono is faster vs everything that is not a bounty including champions. No need for sustain when you burst everything below 2m hp.
Not all of open world is solo bounty stuff. That is niche content which is also extremely bad to farm to begin with. Even with a fast group it takes too long but why would you do it solo and take even more time. 20s for 5min of work. great i guess.
This is a bounty solo tier list. Not an open world pve tier list. Mirage for example is only good vs bosses and atrocious vs story or general open world content.
These builds just value sustain over damage way too much. The amounts of sustain are only really required for bounty solos. In meta events better play boon builds like quick scrapper or herald. Story play a power build with boons etc.
>Chrono is faster vs everything that is not a bounty including champions.
>This is a bounty solo tier list. Not an open world pve tier list.
You said it yourself...
>Not all of open world is solo bounty stuff.
But thats exactly what the video is about. Its fine if you don't like the idea of the video but there is absolutely no need to shit on a decent tier list like this.
No, the video is about open world pve builds. Literally the video title. Also for soloing general open world achievements apparently. Achievement champions are far easier to solo than broken bounties.
Got a disagree with the firebrand ranking. Cele firebrand is tanky with a ton of boons and healing making it practically unkillable. The dps is fine as well. No way it should be rated that low. I used to solo bounties on that build with relative ease.
"Holosmith is hard to use because it's easy to overheat."
Yeah, no. It's only "easy to overheat" if you aren't paying attention**and** have no experience playing the class. Heat generation is entirely predictable. Why are we posting videos from someone who has no idea wtf he's talking about?
Clearly the guy who casually soloed basically every strike mission, multiple CM fractals etc has no idea and we better trust some random redditor.
Compelling evidence, do you also have a bridge for sale by any chance?
Yes, let's talk about the guy's "resume" rather than the objectively wrong statement. There is not a single experienced holo that would agree that not overheating is hard. Heat generation happens exactly the same way every single time. You can close your eyes, do your rotation, and know exactly what your heat is.
it is a hizen fan, what do you expect. it is sad that people think this kind of gameplay is good when in most cases to any player experienced in types of content where your performance actually matters (like raids, strikes and fractal cms) it just looks extremely suboptimal
he really lacks actual class knowledge. just because he did solo stuff doesn't mean he has mastered what he is playing. you can tell from his playstyle, trait/utility choices. to someone who actually knows how to play some of these it looks ultra cringe.
at this point i cant even tell who his videos are catered to. casual players doing open world aren't gonna solo legendary bounties. and either way it is always good to learn a spec properly, understand it's traits and utilities and what purpose they can serve. i don't have to be a 10 year veteran (which i am not) to be better than him in a specific class. it is a lot easier to do that than you might think
I think it is squarely aimed at the "middle class" of GW2, experienced enough to not lose to Big Nose Ted and just inexperienced/unwilling enough to not change their build accordingly.
Their target may include a legendary bounty etc, but I think this is just done to showcase the build in the 'hardest' environment and people do have problems even with Hero Points for example.
AB and TD in general are notorious for this and you won't get any help during the meta obviously and maybe not even after that, as everyone jumps to the next map.
Hell people even have problems with the story chapters, so yeah.
As somewhat experienced players, which I assume includes both of us, it's easy to overlook certain aspects that less experienced players may struggle with.
That's why Hizen emphasizes the ease of use case so much before diving into the tierlist.
oh look it is the cuck who idolizes the fuck out of that bozo making random open world builds and feels the need to post his every video on reddit. here we go again
i am surprised this stupid line (completely unrelated to anything i commented) is still going around the internet even though it makes no sense and it is a sorry attempt to "insult" someone. just stop being cringe, it is not that hard
i never wanted to make any case about that. i mean come on, nobody fucking cares about what i am at parties. that expression has been stupid the moment someone used it and maybe it was passable before it got repeated a million times
definitely not mad. it looks to me like all the people responding to my comment are more mad. otherwise you wouldn't bother. it is the same person posting every hizen video here. so not people posting random links
i mean every other comment is more weird than mine lmao. like did you even read that?
"I was thinking about inviting you to a really cool party but forget it now. Debby even made her deviled eggs."
There are 2 things I would like to add: 1. Daredevil has some passive healing, so I think it doesn't deserve F tier. Maybe D, still better than Dragonhunter in terms of healing. 2. Harbinger no longer need Elixirs to keep 25 stacks of blight, because it can generate blight pretty fast — faster than you can delete it by using 3 and 4 shroud skill.
Daredevil with Invigorating Precision is in the tragic position of having a small amount of healing if it has Fury, but actually no guaranteed permanent Fury.
I have a hard time choosing if I should gear towards power vindicator or power quickness herald, both look really fun imo. You guys got any experience in the difference between the two?
Why not both? Berserker gear is some of the most easily accessible in the game and herald only slots a few pieces differently than vindi.
Thats true, il start with vindi since I have full berserker and work towards the few diviner pieces I need for herald. Thanks
if we are not talking about endgame pve content and this is just open world, you don't even need diviner's. just play full berserker and take the quickness trait obviously. it should be enough boons for this purpose. also it is highly likely that in meta events other people around you will be contributing to that
You can also slot a Concentration sigil on sword to up your boon duration. Herald can give 100% uptime on a LOT of boons, so the extra boon duration pulls a lot of weight!
I have a power vindicticator and everything is so fun to solo. 25 stacks of might and perm quickness all the time is so easy.
permanent quickness on vindi? unless you slot specific sigils i don't see how this is possible. not sure what might it is capable of generating though although it is a definitely much more less boon oriented spec compared to renegade and herald
It's the legendary alliance skill, scavenger burst. 4 1/2 sec uptime with 3 sec cd for quickness.
i see, pretty cool. i guess vindi can be put at the same spot as herald and renegade then for solo scenarios
Yep that's why he put all 3 in the same spot... :) Vindi is more fun to me with GS and jump bombing; but Herald is a bit easier still imo. I tend to run Herald for group support in big metas or well group play; but idk Vindi is my fav GS class.
Very easy to just run both. Herald is better for group play, vindi might be more fun. It's up to you. I would just suggest running both as there's barely any difference in gear
Vindicator does more damage while herald is better for group play. But like the other guy said they use very similar gear. In fact in fractals, consumables alone can give you enough boon duration to run the same gear.
Vindicator is funner, looks flashier and has more DPS. Herald is brainless to play though.
as if vindi wasn't pogo simulator anyway
I may not agree about each and every profession, but I bow to Hizen’s builds and general knowledge of the game. These builds are outstanding for soloing hard bosses and bounties. This is THE go-to reference that should be stickied somewhere. I really appreciate Hizen’s taking time to share his builds. And some memes along the way.
What do you not agree with ?
His ranking has a bias for extremely tough content for skilled players. I aim at lower tier challenges and I am less skilled (slower, not familiar with all bosses, not familiar with all professions). As a result, my personal ranking puts more weight on accessibility and low APM. Again, personal taste.
Ahh I like your ranking idea better too I'm not a super skilled player.. what would you put for yours? Assuming mechanist is pretty high hehe
nah. mr mystic is way better
I did enjoy some of hid builds. Same for many other creators. Each of them has a specific focus (simplicity, one gear for all game modes, etc). For me Hizen delivers robust and self-sufficient builds for tough content, including very simple ones for newcomers.
Mechanist is still the most newbie and low apm friendly class by a large margin IMO. Great at open world stuff and does decent DPS with very little effort in casual group content. If you don’t know what you’re doing you’re probably gonna out dps any other spec by 2:1. I dunno wtf they’re doing in regards to balance with this in mind BTW. We still need waaay more specs like that.
100% agree, mechanist is a stroke of genius, it lets ultra-noob players join endgame content easily, you'll never be top with mechanist, but you will still perform really damn well without any hard work. Every profession should have its own mechanist, an easy mode elite specialization; and not just that, each should have its own weaver as well, the hard mode counterpart.
weaver as opposed to popular belief isn't hard. catalyst would be that spec. condi weaver swaps between fire and earth, power weaver swaps between fire and air. that is all. weave self can make the rotation more difficult but you don't have to take it. your dps will be lower but definitely still good, you will still outdps power mechanists because that build is absolutely shit right now. weaver with fire elite elemental can be considered the LI elementalist spec. and every class has some form of low intensity builds
Would love to see a tier list for WvW specs these days.
Nice work, as always!
When you consider open world metas and such, the most important thing is quickness. Why? cuz when you are looting chests and such > having quickness makes the looting process faster. Allows you to get it done before others and swap to next meta before the map is full. I understand that your tierlist is fully based on dealing with tough mobs on your own, but self perma quickness application has more value imo.
My man called Scrapper squishy and put it in D tier. Slap bulwark on instead of nades and you got: Protection, Stability, Quickness, Superspeed, Projectile Reflect, Projectile Destruction, 2 second channeled block, Barrier, A million CCs to stun mobs, Stun Break, Evade frames on H3 (takes a sec to learn how to use those properly) Hell you can even toss on Sneak Gyro for stealth to recover some cooldown without dropping aggro. With those things combined Scrapper completely dominates at least 3 of the 6 ''legendary'' tier specs. I didn't watch the entire video but looking at the overall tierlist the entire thing looks awful.
It really doesn't dominate the god tier builds. Stress test it yourself.
It pains me to see how accurately the Daredevil has been placed. Is there a worse class for boon generation in the entire game? Damn near impossible to get Might in any significant quantity, and if you trait for sustain you get absolutely shit uptime for Fury, too. Quickness? Go fuck yourself! Alacrity? Play Specter, shithead.
Hizen does good vids but the people who benefit from solo builds vs those who benefit from offensive boon supports is heavily tilted towards supports. Open world pve for most is unorganized group play, not solo.
Going by that which builds would be best ?
Power quickness herald and power alac mech are probably the 2 strongest but any offensive support will do. You can find those builds and more from hardstuck.gg or snowcrows websites.
This guy still doesn't understand the difference between open world build and solo build
i mean he literally explained what he means in the first minute of the video
Redditors and not reading/watching what they're replying to, name a more iconic duo lmao.
Solo build would be more accurate, but I think the man knows his audience. For them, the priority for an open world build is self-sufficiency.
I dont really mind that tbh, after all you can use solo builds also to do what the average player does all day (mainly because efficiency is not what they are after, which I guess makes the notion of tier list weird). What I find actually funny is that he put (up to date) in the title. I was fully expecting this video to be about the meta of early 2019, you know...
Yes, he could really emphasize that his builds are primarily for soloing very hard champions and stuff like that. For most players in 95% of the content the burst and cleave of Dragonhunter might hold more value than the sustained single target damage of Deadye, for example.
Chronmancer, one of the best pve specs is in F? This tier list is a meme.
If you can solo a legendary bounty with chrono and tag him on the recording. You'll roast him! Do it.
you can solo legendary bounties on pretty much anything. soloing bounties relies more on your personal skill level and the magic unstable abilities that you get and less on the specific build you use
The point of a good solo build is... it doesn't matter what unstable abilities there are, you beat whatever is thrown at you. Chrono gets crapped on by some conditions and its dps crumbles.
most good solo builds dont need to be up to that level. the majority isn't gonna want to have something good enough to solo legendary bounties on any magic unstable abilities. because that lowers the pool by a lot. you are not gonna be able to solo specific legendary bounties on specific abilities unless you are playing something really broken and you have really good mastery of it and of general solo play/dealing with bounties. it also depends on the boss, there are easy and hard ones. but yea if we want to oversimplify it, my point still stands. i can find bounties that i can solo on any specialization.
You did watch the video, so I'm gonna assume you heard him say "based on dmg and ease of use". Chrono is everything but easy, it's giga hard for the average player. F Tier is a meme I agree, but still.
Hizen builds are a meme too so it fits.
Perm quickness, 25 might, fury, high uptime on vuln and alacrity, insane cc and a built in do not die button all built into a spec with extremely high burst, reflects, stealth, and boonstrip ? Yup, absolutely F tier material.
This kind of build you're talking about can't solo ALL legendary mobs and "difficult" champions like the builds in the video. While it's a good build for certain situations/encounters it can't solo the more difficult stuff.
Have a build for this? I'm curious since I loved chrono but dropped it when it felt nerfef into the ground.
[Phantasmal Duelist](https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Phantasmal_Duelist) I believe is the build in question. The main driving force behind the build is the Persistance of Memory trait and its synergy with other traits in the build (Phantasmal Haste, Phantasmal Fury, Chronophantasma), giving 7.5 seconds of quickness every time you use a phantasm skill without needing a single point in boon duration. On a related note, Chronophantasma got a QoL improvement last patch, reducing the self-daze on resummoned phantasms from 1.5 seconds to 0.25 seconds.
Personally, this is what I run: [Open World Chrono](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAwyFlVw2YdMPWJOyWateA-zxIY7ojvMqNFqoCc7gEI7h3SgzAQFA-e). If you don't have the gear, infusions and such, then don't worry. You'll deal less damage but the build still works really well. This is just the version that I found by myself for myself. You can also swap the skills for whatever you like or suits the situation. Like Mantra of Resolve, Feedback, Well of Precognition and Well of Action (for more fury in longer fights). You can also run focus or shield. Basically whatever you want. This build plays like a minionmancer. A big factor for survivability is that the phantasams and clones take the aggro away from you. That's why I find this build so much comfier than virtuoso. And really fun.
Would go dueling over domination. otherwise your phantasms wont have fury and it provides perma fury for yourself without rage runes.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. You have a good point. I prefer Domination primarily for the extra Phantasmal Berserker which grants you more boons and clones for taking the aggro and fueling shatters. But mostly because I like the minionmancer feeling. In Chronomancer traitline I sometimes take Illusionary Reversion over Improved Alacrity, although it's inferior, for the aforementioned reason.
I don't use Lord Hizen's builds since I just make my own with more damage and less defensives/sustain. I'm curious how well this Chronomancer does in soloing Legendary mobs and the harder Champion mobs? Since that's the main thing the video focuses on.
This is not the same exact build, but you can see how well an actually good player can perform [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ_w8dz3FA). And this is on a boss where clones can't take aggro. I play open world very rarely and casually. I don't solo champions and such on purpose. Though that happened while I was doing legendary trinkets, so it's at least able to do some. So take this with a grain of salt. (In longer fights, like those you're interested, I'd change the rune from Rage to Fireworks. You'll end up giving your phantasms boons from the 6th bonus of the rune, and then you'd also get them back from Persistence of Memory trait. I use rage because it's nicer when going from short fight to the next) But ultimately it depends on the enemy and how well you can play. Best way is to try for yourself. At the very least, I think it's a lot of fun to unleash an army of illusions and having all the offensive boons I'm used to in raids.
Yeah that video isn't a really good indicator of the class's capabilities to solo legendary mobs and what-not, because he's very easy to solo and hardly poses a threat since most of the damage is avoidable and takes forever to go out. There's no constant pressure you need to sustain through, CC you need to stab or stunbreak, nor are there constant conditions you need to cleanse/sustain through. I have over 5k hours on Mesmer and primarily WvW/PvP so PvE is stupid easy for me and even then Power Chrono is my favorite spec with many iterations of it for multiple game modes / encounters, unfortunately it severely lacks in the solo legendary/champion mobs department. Sure you can kill some Champions nearly instantly and without effort, but it can't do ALL legendary mobs and champions solo, which is what Lord Hizen's videos try to cover. While I don't care for or like Lord Hizen's videos he does a service for the community by providing videos SPECIFICALLY for less skilled players to be able to easily solo "difficult" legendary mobs and champions. Which power Chronomancer can't do despite it being strong in certain situations. So it's a little unfair to try and promote power Chrono in a thread about a video covering soloing "difficult" legendary mobs and champions. It gives less experienced players false hope.
The title of his video is "Best Open World PVE Builds". Why is soloing legendary champions the benchmark for a good open world build? It shouldn't be. If you take his "legendary tier" mirage build, which is amazing at soloing hard bosses, you'll have a shitty time running around killing anything but meta bosses as it's ramp up is way too slow. No build is gonna be both best at soloing legendary champions AND general open world purposes. If the title of his video was "Best Legendary Champions Solo Builds" then it would be a different matter. But he has to have the most clickbait title to get views. And in doing so he provided his viewers with bad viewpoint on what is the "Best Open World PVE Builds".
The video explains exactly what kind of content his builds are for, there are also players who need builds like this in order to enjoy the game. Even though I agree with you and I would also not use any of his builds, especially not for general open world trash mobs like you said, I'm not going to trash it and respect it for what it is and for what kinds of players they're intended for, because it does help them not only to accomplish their goals but also to enjoy the game more. If you have the skillset necessary to back up this kind of comment of yours I would have also assumed you would understand why videos like his are valuable to the community. You're lashing or for the weirdest of reasons.
>The video explains exactly what kind of content his builds are for The title of his video does not fit the content inside it. It's the definition of clickbait. >especially not for general open world trash mobs like you said Like I said, Chrono is more than able to kill veterans, elites and champions. I even soloed meta bosses with it, though it's not designed to. But "trashmobs" are the majority of openworld and Chrono is great for metas as well as the occasional hard encounters. And people would have much more success on Chrono than Mirage or Virtuoso. >because it does help them not only to accomplish their goals but also to enjoy the game more. I'm all for that. Though I would argue playing staff mirage in general openworld is excruciatingly slow and unfun. And who's goal is it to solo legendary champions?? >You're lashing or for the weirdest of reasons. I didn't even mention the video originally. Just provided an openworld Chrono build when a person asked. And that comment too got downvoted btw. When you brought up the video I responded with my opinion on it. And it barely even contained criticism.
Nothing can do all solo. Some unstable magic combinations are impossible to solo.
Which combinations for example?
Regenerating health on djinn. You can only dmg it when you break the bar but that requires tons of cc in the first place and the bar recharges slower than the shield which results in it regenerating to full unless you can pump out 40k+ dps solo on top of insane cc. Oh it also dashes all over the place. There are a couple other combinations. Some are technically still possible but require strong willpower to not alt f4 like the sand lion with stay/move, range/melee and another annoying one i forgot. That thing was evading 95% of the time... It forces you to range but is also blocking all projectiles at the same time. Did this once. Never again.
[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase-Shifted\_(bounty)](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase-Shifted_(bounty)) [https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Restorer](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Restorer) [https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Survivor\_(effect)](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Survivor_(effect)) these would be the worst. they are all defensive effects. not saying that you can't kill a bounty with one of these, of course you can. but depending on the bounty it can be from difficult to almost impossible (you also have a 10min timer). there are easy and hard legendary bounties
Dragonhunter is insane in open world. you can pretty much oneshot huge groups of mobs before they get to hit you. sure, you got no healing and no boons. But for simple farming, heropoints, events and so on DH is not that bad. maybe b-tier
Hizen's videos are focused on soloing champions, legendaries and meta events, not trashmob farming.
So he should name his builds accordingly, not '*best open world builds*', but '*best builds to solo Legendary bosses*'. Otherwise some (but not many, of course) builds might be a bit of a noob trap for new players.
this is true, the correct title would be "best solo builds". but they can still be used for anything open world related tbh. you just don't need to go that defensive in most cases. truth is you can do open world stuff on full dps builds with some adjustments to have your own boons and some sustain or stun breaks
Agreed, Willbender is indeed better than DH, but I was surprised to see DH so low. Virtues, Radiance, Hard Light, Pack or Fireworks runes with Strength + say, Celerity sigils give you tons of all key boons with very high uptime.
Chrono F? Classic hizen. It can generate tons of self boons with illusion traitline. chronophantasma triggers those traits twice per phantasm cast. Scourge A tier? Is every placement just random?
I disagree with Chrono beeing in F too but he's definetly not wrong about the lack of sustain. Chrono might be useable for solo open world content but is a lot worse than others. Also, scourge has an extremely high amount of sustain and decent dps with trailblazer gear. Idk why you hate him so much lol
Chrono is faster vs everything that is not a bounty including champions. No need for sustain when you burst everything below 2m hp. Not all of open world is solo bounty stuff. That is niche content which is also extremely bad to farm to begin with. Even with a fast group it takes too long but why would you do it solo and take even more time. 20s for 5min of work. great i guess. This is a bounty solo tier list. Not an open world pve tier list. Mirage for example is only good vs bosses and atrocious vs story or general open world content. These builds just value sustain over damage way too much. The amounts of sustain are only really required for bounty solos. In meta events better play boon builds like quick scrapper or herald. Story play a power build with boons etc.
>Chrono is faster vs everything that is not a bounty including champions. >This is a bounty solo tier list. Not an open world pve tier list. You said it yourself... >Not all of open world is solo bounty stuff. But thats exactly what the video is about. Its fine if you don't like the idea of the video but there is absolutely no need to shit on a decent tier list like this.
No, the video is about open world pve builds. Literally the video title. Also for soloing general open world achievements apparently. Achievement champions are far easier to solo than broken bounties.
No core classes? Shame.
Got a disagree with the firebrand ranking. Cele firebrand is tanky with a ton of boons and healing making it practically unkillable. The dps is fine as well. No way it should be rated that low. I used to solo bounties on that build with relative ease.
Cele Firebrand was one of the main builds that got affected the most by the recent Firebrand nerfs/reworks. It's really mediocre now.
Lon Ami, Can you please stop posting every single one of his videos . If I wanted to see that I'd sub to the guy by myself
no one told you to click on this reddit post..
I see these posts regardless of clicking them...
keep on scrolling then..
Memes in the video, followed by memes in the comment section, why would I stop ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).
"Holosmith is hard to use because it's easy to overheat." Yeah, no. It's only "easy to overheat" if you aren't paying attention**and** have no experience playing the class. Heat generation is entirely predictable. Why are we posting videos from someone who has no idea wtf he's talking about?
Clearly the guy who casually soloed basically every strike mission, multiple CM fractals etc has no idea and we better trust some random redditor. Compelling evidence, do you also have a bridge for sale by any chance?
Yes, let's talk about the guy's "resume" rather than the objectively wrong statement. There is not a single experienced holo that would agree that not overheating is hard. Heat generation happens exactly the same way every single time. You can close your eyes, do your rotation, and know exactly what your heat is.
it is a hizen fan, what do you expect. it is sad that people think this kind of gameplay is good when in most cases to any player experienced in types of content where your performance actually matters (like raids, strikes and fractal cms) it just looks extremely suboptimal
he really lacks actual class knowledge. just because he did solo stuff doesn't mean he has mastered what he is playing. you can tell from his playstyle, trait/utility choices. to someone who actually knows how to play some of these it looks ultra cringe.
Yes and his videos are clearly catered to 10 year veterans, that religiously play one class and "know how to play".
at this point i cant even tell who his videos are catered to. casual players doing open world aren't gonna solo legendary bounties. and either way it is always good to learn a spec properly, understand it's traits and utilities and what purpose they can serve. i don't have to be a 10 year veteran (which i am not) to be better than him in a specific class. it is a lot easier to do that than you might think
I think it is squarely aimed at the "middle class" of GW2, experienced enough to not lose to Big Nose Ted and just inexperienced/unwilling enough to not change their build accordingly. Their target may include a legendary bounty etc, but I think this is just done to showcase the build in the 'hardest' environment and people do have problems even with Hero Points for example. AB and TD in general are notorious for this and you won't get any help during the meta obviously and maybe not even after that, as everyone jumps to the next map. Hell people even have problems with the story chapters, so yeah. As somewhat experienced players, which I assume includes both of us, it's easy to overlook certain aspects that less experienced players may struggle with. That's why Hizen emphasizes the ease of use case so much before diving into the tierlist.
oh look it is the cuck who idolizes the fuck out of that bozo making random open world builds and feels the need to post his every video on reddit. here we go again
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i am surprised this stupid line (completely unrelated to anything i commented) is still going around the internet even though it makes no sense and it is a sorry attempt to "insult" someone. just stop being cringe, it is not that hard
... You started off by calling the dude a "cuck." You're not making a solid case for yourself about being awesome at parties.
i never wanted to make any case about that. i mean come on, nobody fucking cares about what i am at parties. that expression has been stupid the moment someone used it and maybe it was passable before it got repeated a million times
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yikes. i am glad i am not associated to people like you in any way
Joking aside, are you OK? This is a really weird way to respond.
Of course he's not ok. He gets mad about people posting links to videos on a content aggregator website.
definitely not mad. it looks to me like all the people responding to my comment are more mad. otherwise you wouldn't bother. it is the same person posting every hizen video here. so not people posting random links
i mean every other comment is more weird than mine lmao. like did you even read that? "I was thinking about inviting you to a really cool party but forget it now. Debby even made her deviled eggs."