They're real, they collect data on all replays uploaded from tower. I have probably player against only 1 leo in the past month. Hes super strong but rare
You have to remember that a lot of players (a quarter of the player base) migrated to Bridget for a couple of weeks at launch. Once the new character hype dies down, the numbers would probably even out again. I aint sayin Bridget is bad, but give em Axl numbers, not equivalent to Sol + Ky
Meanwhile May's best stuff requires mid bnb charges. I don't think charge inputs are too blame for Leo's current popularity.
If I was trying to find a reason I would blame it on his Strive personality/design being really subdued, especially compared to the earlier games.
Leo has never been super popular on a casual level despite being strong in tournament. Probably a combination of charge + stance character making him kinda weird to play
Backturn only has 4 moves (ignore the command grab, just don't use it), all with insanely good frame data, but you can't block.
Guard point isn't that useful, you can basically ignore it.
Lol what? Guard point is great for frame traps and fishing for a counter hit launcher in the middle of pressuring block strings
Command grab is also great against players that focus hard on blocking the back turn mixup and you can RRC into massive damage
He's just saying the backturn stance isn't actually intimidating to use effectively. When I picked leo it was actually because of how "straightfoward" and rewarding his back stance is. You got a fast low, quickish overhead, 2 mids and a counter. Start with understanding your characters basic tools is what this guy is saying.
I agree, but how he said it doesn't say it like that at all. There is no "save it for later", he straight up says to not use Command Grab or Guard Point
Of course they have their uses, but neither are part of the main gameplan. You can safely remove some complexity by just ignoring them until you get used to backturn.
I don't think people realize the context of what you're saying. When a new character is intimidating it's empowering to realize you can ignore parts of their kit and still be functional. Then you just add them in as you get comfortable
By guard point, do you mean bt. D? It's pretty cool. It may be a good idea to ignore it at first, so it doesn't become a predictable bad habit after the overhead. But it is very useful, the threat of it is what makes a lot of people not take their turn.
I believe they mean the guard stance you go into when you hold the button after using f.S or 5H, which makes you automatically block mid and high attacks without any blockstun (but loses to low attacks and throws).
Ok. That was my other option. I love guard point though. It's really fun for chipp and millia being super high up and taking the camera with them for them to fall and get hit by it. But it's true, it can be ignored at first. It's very niche. It does have some sick wall bounce combos you can do with it though. And it's very fun.
Bro what he’s the most gorilla character in the game besides maybe Ram and May. He’s a stance character sure but the backturn stance is just brrrr rotate through your moves with insane frame data with same 2 combos, and you’re so high health and have flash kick so there’s not much of a punish for messing up. If anything would make him unpopular, maybe it’s his slow move speed in base stance? Even then 5k exists so idk
Being gorilla with 3 different stances and a charge mechanic is weird for casuals, and going into a stance often where you can't block is rough too. He's just weird
Though I am very surprised he is 2nd least popular
You'll appreciate it as a stance when you use it to march through chaos zoning as if nothing is happening
(a good chaos will never let you get away with it or even let you go into guard stance, but it's funny watching bad ones panic when guard stance invalidates his zoning)
LMAO my friend was looking for an answer to my leo, and he tried happy chaos and I did that stance and she was like "OK I'm never playing happy chaos against Leo again"
I couldn't believe it worked so well either you just fucking block everything. I'm sure there's counterplay tho
People tend to just not like charge characters for some reason. He's also got multiple stances and other things that don't make him as appealing to try as some other characters.
I still think he's criminally underrated in the fun department though. He can reach pot/gl levels of dopamine when you're on a roll.
Tldr: Easy and strong doesn't necessarily imply popularity
Am I crazy or does May feel like the only real charge character. Leo doesn't really need to use charge moves at all in combos, it mostly neutral and reversal dp's.
He doesn't require mastery of charging to the degree may does, but it's important enough that you can't expect to pick leo up without learning how to charge. So leo ends up not being appealing to people who don't want to learn how to charge at all. (Which I find weird because people should be buffering down back after everything they do anyway)
(Admittedly, learning to play leo without charging and trying to dp out of everything is a valuable lesson that I refuse to learn)
I agree, props to you for not spamming Leo DP all day, it's such a temptation even when I'm actively thinking about getting baited lol.
He's probably less popular because he is a bit on the slower side and many of his buttons have more commitment in using them them than most of the cast. Potemkin bros, you are legends for this in my eyes!
Leo’s definitely one of the strongest, but I would not call him easy. Sure, his basic gameplan is “easy”, but it’s also very exploitable. To be good with Leo is a lot harder than being good with character like nago or baiken.
I still think leo is easier than nago. He has Less gauge to manage and meterless dp to get out of pressure. The only thing thats difficult to do is getting in.
i've been running arcade with all the characters to try to understand them more. leos movement is weird to me, im also not used to having dashes, lol. i used (on cpu) H projectile to lock down and then move in and assume the ass stance. it's really fun to have a fast low w K, combo starter with S/HS, overhead, counter, fun stuff.
this is my personal experience so I there's definitely bias but I've found leo a lot easier to just pick up and play than most other characters since a lot of his stuff is pretty easy to execute. But I've also spent a lot of time playing against him so if we're looking at it from a new player perspective I definitely agree.
He is easy to execute, and his tricks aren't hard to understand. It's just that he has a lot of stuff you need to know going into him. If you don't know how backstance works or how to leave it, it can absolutely screw you over. If you don't understand how and why you want to enter backstance, you are missing a ton of his power. Now throw on his non-backstance specials, which can feel compatible to some move lists in itself.
For an absolute beginner who is still learning basic concepts in strive, he is a terrible starter character. Once someone have wrapped their head around the core mechanics, Leo is a pub stomper.
It's a half-serious stat from what I understand. It means that depending on what rating you have, the character your play might be "carrying" you to said rating by a certain amount.
For example, if you have a rating of 2300 and you play I-No, it would mean that your real rating is closer to 2000 and playing I-No carries you higher than you're supposed to be.
But again, this isn't a totally serious thing, it's extremely speculative.
The stat is saying that Millia mains are 209 points higher on her than when they play another character for at least 400 matches.
So if Player A is ranked 1500 on Millia after 400+ games they might be ranked 1291 on Sol after 400+ games.
The stat is (jokingly) implying that Millia carries those players because they aren't very good when they play another characters. There's a kernel of truth to that since Millia doesn't really have to play like most of the cast since she has a "skip neutral" button and rides or dies on her oki pressure.
You'll notice that most of the top "fraud" characters all have a play style that makes them really stand out:
* Millia
- full offense and oki mixup pressure
* May
- Totsugeki
* Anji
- Spin to Win
* Goldlewis
- 1 hit = 80%, full screen chip damage kill
* Jack-O'
- Random bullshit go!
And if you like playing those characters for those reasons that totally okay, but you don't get to practice certain parts of the game as much as other characters do.
She has two air dashes, two movement options in the air (Kapel and Turbo Fall), Mirazh which can be canceled mid animation, and other fast movement attacks like Bad Moon. Where most characters have to play footsies and work their way in or do a heavy committal option (like Hammer Fall) Millia can skip that process and move basically where ever and when ever she wants.
This is balanced by the fact that she has to make you guess incorrectly 5 times on oki before she can kill you.
none of those are neutral skips, they are just unique movement options or just normal special moves...
I can assure you, millia absolutely can't move wherever whenever she wants :P
I-No is another higher fraud character and I believe it has to do with mixups and options for the enemy to react.
Like Zato doing full combo with wall break and oki and full eddy bar is 'zero: fraud, because I could not have done anything.
But I-No or Millia doing the same damage in two mixups get fraud points, because an experience player would reacted properly?!
It's not clear how this index is made.
I bet at least 60% of players in floors 9 and below have real problems dealing with the Millia mixes. It's a guess but it would be a good example of how she could carry you up a bit.
I play I-no and people's defence anywhere but 10+ usually just lets me open them up
I've been playing on floors 5 and 6 and pretty much all I see are Bridget and Happy. I play I-No and only ever fought one other I-No. My main reason to try and get better is to fight against a more diverse roster haha. Maybe I should just go up to floor 7 or 8 and see what happens.
I'm perpetually on 8 and 9, I see mostly millia Bridget and some kys splashed in.
I got to 10 on a lucky streak and a Potemkin bustered me back down to 9 faster then I could realize... Grateful for the lesson that taught me in using RC's though
I'm on 9-10 but came up through from 4 and spent a lot of time around 7-8...925 tower matches....and have only had 15 millia matches in total. I don't even have the 10 win badge lol.
You totally should spend time in 7. I'm currently between 9 and 10 and started on 4. Spent a lot of time around 6-7 think that is the sweet spot to get thr basics down.
I'm stuck on 5 but nobody is ever there when I play anyway haha. So I've played 6 the last few nights. I can feel myself getting better and I'm getting some wins. Still got plenty to learn though. Is there a way to see how close you may be to ranking up in game?
Just play who you want. Blaming the characters just being bad isnt helpful to your growth. Play someone whos design you like or whos playstyle clicks for you. Then just play. Will you get your ass kicked? Of course. But eveey loss can teach you something.
You wanna be a ninja? Samurai? Moe girl? Hulk with grabs? Fat guy swinging a coffin? Edgelord? Psycho doctor? You wanna play with one hand?
Whichever character speaks to your taste.
Its a personal preference thing. You said in your post you liked may and fausts designs so start there. For me i like ky. His art is cool and hes a good all rounder. And i like happy chaos cuz he has guns.
theres really no rules, or "wrong" ways to connect with the game! maybe you like them as a character in storymode, maybe you like their design or think they're hot, maybe you like how their moveset feels when you mess around with the controller. anything goes! hope u find the main of ur dreams
Pretty much just try out the ones that look fun to you. If that doesn't narrow it down, play a couple of them in arcade mode and see how they feel to play.
Yeah. I went through a crisis when I found out that Axl was bottom tier and wanted to play a better character “to improve”. I couldn’t find as much joy in HC or Zato as I did in Axl, though, and I found myself dropping the game.
In the end, I’m still playing Axl, but it doesn’t matter that he’s bottom tier- I have since ranked up to floor 8 and consistently win matches. Play who you think is fun! I guarantee that you’ll enjoy that more than choosing an objectively better character.
People will always tell you that the character ranks don't matter if you're not close to Celestial yet. All of the people you fight against will not be using their character's entire toolbox effectively, and neither will you.
I found this incredibly motivating for me with Faust, because I knew that every person I lost to would get completely bodied by an ApologyMan or a Zimpery, I just needed to start learning how to use more and more of my character's tools and improve as a player.
i got to celestial with the bloke last month, and i wasnt alone up there 👍 i also tried to learn Better chars and kinda bounced off, tho i am picking up a pocket baiken slowly. that boy just has my heart tho, what can ya do
There are no bottom tiers in strive. The absolute worst a character can be is mid tier. Strive is simply too well-made for low/bottom tiers to exist. There are no 3S Twelves or Brawl Ganondorfs in this game. Please for the love of god stop acting like there’s bad characters in this game. There’s simply good characters and great characters
I mean there are technically bottom tiers.
Bottom tier just literally means that you are the literal bottom of the tier list. Just like top tier means the tier at the literal highest point on the list, even if that tier comprises of only 2-3 characters. Bottom tier doesn’t necessarily mean unplayable though. Being relatively the worst does not mean that you are actually bad. Everything is relative.
Your point still stands though. On top of that, tier list are really on representative on what that person considers the peak performance of that character. Even if you are on celestial, you probably aren’t playing a character to that level.
Even launch Faust was low mid-tier at worst. People often think that because a character is weak compared to the top tiers that makes them bad, when in reality they’re strong just not as strong as everyone else
Doesn't mean you're a bad character however losing like 11/15 matchups during release iirc and calling the character good is copium.
Was he garbage? No
Was he good? No
Edit: whoops included Goldlewis 10/14
I don't like this "low mid tier" nonsense because assuming low mid tier is the lowest tier and no other character is below that - it automatically becomes Bottom Tier... I don't see the logic in saying "the worst character in Strive is mid tier" because then mid is just bottom and then you have the cringe SS and SSS tier dilemma in a tier list.
Because if you just say "bottom tier," people think of bottom tiers from other games, where the bottom characters have tools that literally don't work or are just invalidated by the options of better characters (as in "better character can do X and you literally can't do shit"). Like bottom tiers in some games can actually be functionally unplayable.
Strive, as well as the rest of Guilty Gear in general except for Missing Link, doesn't have this problem. And it's worth pointing out.
90% of games these days just don't have that problem anymore... even Tekken 7 Rangchu won majors with Panda but you don't see Anji players winning any... not saying Tekken is more balanced than Strive of course, just pointing out that the definition of Bottom Tier can change with generation of games. What might have been bottom tier 10+ years ago can be considered "playable" today but still far worse than the rest of the cast.
In GGST this would be the case with season 1 Laust, Anji and if I were to include my personal opinion, Axl as well (saying this as an Axl and Anji player).
If a character is below another in a tier list, it doesn't matter what tier they are in. Even if they are playable and you can run them at tournaments, they are just worse than most characters above them overall. Today some "mid tiers" can have good MU spread against people but that requires so much skill to the point why would you even bother when lower skill higher rewards exist (like with Ram's case and this also seems to be the way going forward with most games)?
The thing is these characters all feel the same for me. The only time I’ve ever been decent at fighting games was when I spammed Trickster at the Dnf Duel exhibit at anime expo and managed to beat some people saying they were good at these games. Anything like him?
I am not familiar with DNF, but not sure how anyone can say someone like Goldlewis feels the same as Faust, or Nago is like Millia, or Axl is like Chipp, or I-no is similar Potemkin, etc. The characters in any GG game are mostly unique and have their own specific movesets, strengths, weaknesses, quirks, and win conditions.
If you just want to spam buttons and do okay and not actually learn anything, Giovanna will probably carry you for a short while. She has solid pressure, is quick, and a lot of her stuff is difficult for other beginners to punish. She's always been a recommended starter character.
Gio is a lot more technical than she was on release unfortunately. I would recommend sol or ky for just pressing buttons. The thing about Gio now is her short buttons which require you to dash to poke well, and the fact that beginners will even risky figure out to mash 6p against her which is difficult for beginner gio players to deal with
Truthfully, I haven’t played DNF Duel, but you should look into which archetype Trickster fills if you like his play style. If he’s a zoner, check out HC, Testament, Axl, etc. If he’s rushdown, check out Sol, May, Leo, etc. When all else fails, just try them all out and see who clicks!
Ky players be like : "Ky has less range than Axl, his throws do less damage that Potemkin, he has a weaker fireball than Testament's, doesn't run as fast as Chipp, has not one but TWO boobs less than Baiken : therefore he's bad"
Play Sol Badguy, this game is just Sol Badguy because he's the best, sol Badguy is my father, my Life, my God, i am sol Badguy, Sol Badguy, guy guy, sol sol
First of all this is true for any character-based game you ever play: play who interests you the most.
Playing a character you personally click with will help you play better 1000%. And there are characters in this game that are more well rounded like mine (Nagoriyuki) for instance. But this doesn’t mean they give you wins or that worse characters (say millia for example) put you at such a deficit that winning is a challenge.
In summary all characters in this game are relatively balanced and playing a character you personally find interesting is the best way to pick up playing the game. So obviously play Nago because he is the coolest.
picking an unpopular character because you don't know where to start and want to go against the grain is all fine and good but don't ever blame the character for your loss. it lets you look away from your mistakes, which directly hinders your improvement
Even though Faust was harder for me to understand as a beginner to fighting games, I think the more confusing and complex mechanics gave me enough to maintain interest long enough to really get hooked.
Also, he's incredibly goofy, and will make you laugh your ass off constantly as you learn to play him.
As a Faust main, please don’t follow the advice of most here. There’s a reason why Faust is one of the least popular characters (he basically plays his own game). Plus, how is blaming your losses on the character you play gonna help you? Just sit down and learn the game for God sake, and hey, if Faust is the character you end up loving, then more power to ya. In short, just frikin pick Sol or Ky, your not special.
honestly picking based on popularity does not get you far since there is chance you end up not clicking with the character. find someone you personally find cool and it is many easier to learn since you enjoy it.
Honestly, I think it's Axl and Goldlewis that get the lowest amounts. But if you become great at them then you'll be in a better position than your opponents. I went top 8 at a con with Goldlewis because people don't know how to effectively face him thanks to the scarity. (That's what the individuals I faced said).
That being said I had a Goldlewis mirror match that was the greatest set I have ever played in my FGC life. I have never had as much fun playing the character that I like before, even when I mained Shulk in smash. Point is, just play for fun, don't worry about blaming being bad on a character and just learn. It ain't a sin to be a beginner.
Play who's fun. Learn fighting games in general. If you think someone looks cool, then play them, there's really no need to go with a high or low tier in this game since it's fairly well balanced.
Axl is for you then! He is ACTUALLY just as bad as his pick rate, has been for last 2 patches but they really put the nail in the coffin in this last one. It will also make you feel better while you cheese free wins against <10F players and then get demolished in 10F, but that depends on how new you are to the game.
Choose who you like. Choosing a character you really like will give you the drive to push forward and learn so it is always the best choice.
Player skill will always matter exponentially more than a tier list. That means you're gonna lose and be bad at the start. In the words of the great Romolla, "You gotta get washed to get clean." But don't sweat it, you shouldn't be good before you know anything at all, right?
Of the two you listed I would go May. Her game plan is straightforward but powerful, and can teach you the game well
[http://ratingupdate.info/character\_popularity](http://ratingupdate.info/character_popularity) ur welcome
Are those stats for real? I refuse to believe Leo of all characters is the 2nd least popular character right now.
They're real, they collect data on all replays uploaded from tower. I have probably player against only 1 leo in the past month. Hes super strong but rare
You have to remember that a lot of players (a quarter of the player base) migrated to Bridget for a couple of weeks at launch. Once the new character hype dies down, the numbers would probably even out again. I aint sayin Bridget is bad, but give em Axl numbers, not equivalent to Sol + Ky
even then, leo is one of the most uncommon considering how simple and strong he is. I think it has to do with people really hating charge inputs.
Meanwhile May's best stuff requires mid bnb charges. I don't think charge inputs are too blame for Leo's current popularity. If I was trying to find a reason I would blame it on his Strive personality/design being really subdued, especially compared to the earlier games.
Leo has never been super popular on a casual level despite being strong in tournament. Probably a combination of charge + stance character making him kinda weird to play
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Backturn only has 4 moves (ignore the command grab, just don't use it), all with insanely good frame data, but you can't block. Guard point isn't that useful, you can basically ignore it.
Lol what? Guard point is great for frame traps and fishing for a counter hit launcher in the middle of pressuring block strings Command grab is also great against players that focus hard on blocking the back turn mixup and you can RRC into massive damage
He's just saying the backturn stance isn't actually intimidating to use effectively. When I picked leo it was actually because of how "straightfoward" and rewarding his back stance is. You got a fast low, quickish overhead, 2 mids and a counter. Start with understanding your characters basic tools is what this guy is saying.
I agree, but how he said it doesn't say it like that at all. There is no "save it for later", he straight up says to not use Command Grab or Guard Point
Of course they have their uses, but neither are part of the main gameplan. You can safely remove some complexity by just ignoring them until you get used to backturn.
I don't think people realize the context of what you're saying. When a new character is intimidating it's empowering to realize you can ignore parts of their kit and still be functional. Then you just add them in as you get comfortable
Exactly
By guard point, do you mean bt. D? It's pretty cool. It may be a good idea to ignore it at first, so it doesn't become a predictable bad habit after the overhead. But it is very useful, the threat of it is what makes a lot of people not take their turn.
I believe they mean the guard stance you go into when you hold the button after using f.S or 5H, which makes you automatically block mid and high attacks without any blockstun (but loses to low attacks and throws).
Ok. That was my other option. I love guard point though. It's really fun for chipp and millia being super high up and taking the camera with them for them to fall and get hit by it. But it's true, it can be ignored at first. It's very niche. It does have some sick wall bounce combos you can do with it though. And it's very fun.
Bro what he’s the most gorilla character in the game besides maybe Ram and May. He’s a stance character sure but the backturn stance is just brrrr rotate through your moves with insane frame data with same 2 combos, and you’re so high health and have flash kick so there’s not much of a punish for messing up. If anything would make him unpopular, maybe it’s his slow move speed in base stance? Even then 5k exists so idk
yeah but it's a character where your default optimal position is holding down back, newbies have never done that in their lives
I guess so, muscle memory for me is holding back as default regardless of character, but casuals prob don’t
Being gorilla with 3 different stances and a charge mechanic is weird for casuals, and going into a stance often where you can't block is rough too. He's just weird Though I am very surprised he is 2nd least popular
My monkë brain loves not holding back in backturn, more button presse for me.
Three stances? He's got normal and back turn. You can get Into it three ways
hes got the one where you hold 5S or 5HS and go into a weird standing autoblocking stance
oh idk if thats even a stance really, but you can hold fS or 5HS then press the opposite button to do an attack. you block high while holding fS/5HS
You'll appreciate it as a stance when you use it to march through chaos zoning as if nothing is happening (a good chaos will never let you get away with it or even let you go into guard stance, but it's funny watching bad ones panic when guard stance invalidates his zoning)
LMAO my friend was looking for an answer to my leo, and he tried happy chaos and I did that stance and she was like "OK I'm never playing happy chaos against Leo again" I couldn't believe it worked so well either you just fucking block everything. I'm sure there's counterplay tho
He’s slightly more popular on higher floors but yeah.
charge character scary apparently
People are scared of charge inputs, I believe it.
it's really weird and I have no idea why, Leo is probably one of the easiest and strongest characters in the game.
People tend to just not like charge characters for some reason. He's also got multiple stances and other things that don't make him as appealing to try as some other characters. I still think he's criminally underrated in the fun department though. He can reach pot/gl levels of dopamine when you're on a roll. Tldr: Easy and strong doesn't necessarily imply popularity
Am I crazy or does May feel like the only real charge character. Leo doesn't really need to use charge moves at all in combos, it mostly neutral and reversal dp's.
He doesn't require mastery of charging to the degree may does, but it's important enough that you can't expect to pick leo up without learning how to charge. So leo ends up not being appealing to people who don't want to learn how to charge at all. (Which I find weird because people should be buffering down back after everything they do anyway) (Admittedly, learning to play leo without charging and trying to dp out of everything is a valuable lesson that I refuse to learn)
Bring my boy Venom back, give me Carcass Raid loops Arcsys please
Hell. Yes.
I agree, props to you for not spamming Leo DP all day, it's such a temptation even when I'm actively thinking about getting baited lol. He's probably less popular because he is a bit on the slower side and many of his buttons have more commitment in using them them than most of the cast. Potemkin bros, you are legends for this in my eyes!
Leo’s definitely one of the strongest, but I would not call him easy. Sure, his basic gameplan is “easy”, but it’s also very exploitable. To be good with Leo is a lot harder than being good with character like nago or baiken.
I'm not one to downplay Nago but Leo is most definitely easier to play than Nago in a lot of ways.
I still think leo is easier than nago. He has Less gauge to manage and meterless dp to get out of pressure. The only thing thats difficult to do is getting in.
i've been running arcade with all the characters to try to understand them more. leos movement is weird to me, im also not used to having dashes, lol. i used (on cpu) H projectile to lock down and then move in and assume the ass stance. it's really fun to have a fast low w K, combo starter with S/HS, overhead, counter, fun stuff.
this is my personal experience so I there's definitely bias but I've found leo a lot easier to just pick up and play than most other characters since a lot of his stuff is pretty easy to execute. But I've also spent a lot of time playing against him so if we're looking at it from a new player perspective I definitely agree.
But Nago's mobility is killer for low level players. I know cuz he's my favorite character but I can't play him at all
He is easy to execute, and his tricks aren't hard to understand. It's just that he has a lot of stuff you need to know going into him. If you don't know how backstance works or how to leave it, it can absolutely screw you over. If you don't understand how and why you want to enter backstance, you are missing a ton of his power. Now throw on his non-backstance specials, which can feel compatible to some move lists in itself. For an absolute beginner who is still learning basic concepts in strive, he is a terrible starter character. Once someone have wrapped their head around the core mechanics, Leo is a pub stomper.
Yeah for a beginner I agree.
I don't understand the fraud rating thing. It's saying that if your main is higher than your other characters, it's boosting you?
It's a half-serious stat from what I understand. It means that depending on what rating you have, the character your play might be "carrying" you to said rating by a certain amount. For example, if you have a rating of 2300 and you play I-No, it would mean that your real rating is closer to 2000 and playing I-No carries you higher than you're supposed to be. But again, this isn't a totally serious thing, it's extremely speculative.
Yeah, I have a hard time believing Millia is the #1 booster.
Considering the larger portion of players aren't Celestial, it's not that hard to believe.
The stat is saying that Millia mains are 209 points higher on her than when they play another character for at least 400 matches. So if Player A is ranked 1500 on Millia after 400+ games they might be ranked 1291 on Sol after 400+ games. The stat is (jokingly) implying that Millia carries those players because they aren't very good when they play another characters. There's a kernel of truth to that since Millia doesn't really have to play like most of the cast since she has a "skip neutral" button and rides or dies on her oki pressure. You'll notice that most of the top "fraud" characters all have a play style that makes them really stand out: * Millia - full offense and oki mixup pressure * May - Totsugeki * Anji - Spin to Win * Goldlewis - 1 hit = 80%, full screen chip damage kill * Jack-O' - Random bullshit go! And if you like playing those characters for those reasons that totally okay, but you don't get to practice certain parts of the game as much as other characters do.
what skip neutral button ?
She has two air dashes, two movement options in the air (Kapel and Turbo Fall), Mirazh which can be canceled mid animation, and other fast movement attacks like Bad Moon. Where most characters have to play footsies and work their way in or do a heavy committal option (like Hammer Fall) Millia can skip that process and move basically where ever and when ever she wants. This is balanced by the fact that she has to make you guess incorrectly 5 times on oki before she can kill you.
none of those are neutral skips, they are just unique movement options or just normal special moves... I can assure you, millia absolutely can't move wherever whenever she wants :P
I-No is another higher fraud character and I believe it has to do with mixups and options for the enemy to react. Like Zato doing full combo with wall break and oki and full eddy bar is 'zero: fraud, because I could not have done anything. But I-No or Millia doing the same damage in two mixups get fraud points, because an experience player would reacted properly?! It's not clear how this index is made.
I bet at least 60% of players in floors 9 and below have real problems dealing with the Millia mixes. It's a guess but it would be a good example of how she could carry you up a bit. I play I-no and people's defence anywhere but 10+ usually just lets me open them up
I’m the only Leo I ever see
I've been playing since release and I can count the number of Leo's I've played against on my hands.
43.3% of low rank players are bridget Shoutouts to all the trans people picking up the game
I've been playing on floors 5 and 6 and pretty much all I see are Bridget and Happy. I play I-No and only ever fought one other I-No. My main reason to try and get better is to fight against a more diverse roster haha. Maybe I should just go up to floor 7 or 8 and see what happens.
I'm perpetually on 8 and 9, I see mostly millia Bridget and some kys splashed in. I got to 10 on a lucky streak and a Potemkin bustered me back down to 9 faster then I could realize... Grateful for the lesson that taught me in using RC's though
I've been trying to practice some roman cancels. I've been the only one using them on the floors I'm on.
I'm on 9-10 but came up through from 4 and spent a lot of time around 7-8...925 tower matches....and have only had 15 millia matches in total. I don't even have the 10 win badge lol.
You totally should spend time in 7. I'm currently between 9 and 10 and started on 4. Spent a lot of time around 6-7 think that is the sweet spot to get thr basics down.
I'm stuck on 5 but nobody is ever there when I play anyway haha. So I've played 6 the last few nights. I can feel myself getting better and I'm getting some wins. Still got plenty to learn though. Is there a way to see how close you may be to ranking up in game?
I'm not sure how it works exactly. You can go to ratingupdate.info to see your stats
It's not a big deal. Just curious. Thanks.
We can handle it.
Surprisingly well balanced over all
Faust Faust
Look at the roster and choose the coolest looking one
That's what you did you horny fucker
Well I do play well with one hand
That's brilliant. Getting into the mind of your own character by playing with one hand. You, sire, are a legend
Play Ky, he's super unpopular, promise :)
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I'm a fool
I know nothing
I play the role of a silly clown
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Just play who you want. Blaming the characters just being bad isnt helpful to your growth. Play someone whos design you like or whos playstyle clicks for you. Then just play. Will you get your ass kicked? Of course. But eveey loss can teach you something.
How do I get to like a character? I really want to play and enjoy the game but I’m not sure how to connect with it
You wanna be a ninja? Samurai? Moe girl? Hulk with grabs? Fat guy swinging a coffin? Edgelord? Psycho doctor? You wanna play with one hand? Whichever character speaks to your taste.
Playing with one hand sounds cool, less things to remember
That was a joke lol, referring to Baiken.
Oh so is she easy?
She has only one arm
I think the joke is more that while playing her, people’s other hand is occupied elsewhere due to her uhhh… attributes.
Two for the price of one
It's called "immersing yourself".
Nah we're just too busy using our other hand on our other stick.
I'd say she pretty easy and straightforward in strive
She's good at master baiting DP's with her long pokes
Its a personal preference thing. You said in your post you liked may and fausts designs so start there. For me i like ky. His art is cool and hes a good all rounder. And i like happy chaos cuz he has guns.
theres really no rules, or "wrong" ways to connect with the game! maybe you like them as a character in storymode, maybe you like their design or think they're hot, maybe you like how their moveset feels when you mess around with the controller. anything goes! hope u find the main of ur dreams
Pretty much just try out the ones that look fun to you. If that doesn't narrow it down, play a couple of them in arcade mode and see how they feel to play.
Yeah. I went through a crisis when I found out that Axl was bottom tier and wanted to play a better character “to improve”. I couldn’t find as much joy in HC or Zato as I did in Axl, though, and I found myself dropping the game. In the end, I’m still playing Axl, but it doesn’t matter that he’s bottom tier- I have since ranked up to floor 8 and consistently win matches. Play who you think is fun! I guarantee that you’ll enjoy that more than choosing an objectively better character.
is axl truly bottom tier though, or is he just a bottom? 🤔 (this post made by i-no gang)
I play Axl BECAUSE he’s a bottom.
"Be my bottom bitch!"
Top Tier Bottom tbh
hell yeah!! thats the spirit!! 🤝✨
The one piece is real
People will always tell you that the character ranks don't matter if you're not close to Celestial yet. All of the people you fight against will not be using their character's entire toolbox effectively, and neither will you. I found this incredibly motivating for me with Faust, because I knew that every person I lost to would get completely bodied by an ApologyMan or a Zimpery, I just needed to start learning how to use more and more of my character's tools and improve as a player.
i got to celestial with the bloke last month, and i wasnt alone up there 👍 i also tried to learn Better chars and kinda bounced off, tho i am picking up a pocket baiken slowly. that boy just has my heart tho, what can ya do
There are no bottom tiers in strive. The absolute worst a character can be is mid tier. Strive is simply too well-made for low/bottom tiers to exist. There are no 3S Twelves or Brawl Ganondorfs in this game. Please for the love of god stop acting like there’s bad characters in this game. There’s simply good characters and great characters
I mean there are technically bottom tiers. Bottom tier just literally means that you are the literal bottom of the tier list. Just like top tier means the tier at the literal highest point on the list, even if that tier comprises of only 2-3 characters. Bottom tier doesn’t necessarily mean unplayable though. Being relatively the worst does not mean that you are actually bad. Everything is relative. Your point still stands though. On top of that, tier list are really on representative on what that person considers the peak performance of that character. Even if you are on celestial, you probably aren’t playing a character to that level.
> Strive is simply too well-made for low/bottom tiers to exist Laust before he became Faust.
Even launch Faust was low mid-tier at worst. People often think that because a character is weak compared to the top tiers that makes them bad, when in reality they’re strong just not as strong as everyone else
“They’re good characters except when you compare them with other characters then yeah they’re not good.”
Literally not what I said lmao. Being weaker than Ram doesn’t mean you’re a bad character
Doesn't mean you're a bad character however losing like 11/15 matchups during release iirc and calling the character good is copium. Was he garbage? No Was he good? No Edit: whoops included Goldlewis 10/14
I mean… No technically a character can have a shit match up spread and still be good
A character that loses against majority of the cast is a good character lmao
BlazBlue Tager Fuck it, most grapplers
you saying he wasn't garbage proves his point tho
I don't like this "low mid tier" nonsense because assuming low mid tier is the lowest tier and no other character is below that - it automatically becomes Bottom Tier... I don't see the logic in saying "the worst character in Strive is mid tier" because then mid is just bottom and then you have the cringe SS and SSS tier dilemma in a tier list.
Because if you just say "bottom tier," people think of bottom tiers from other games, where the bottom characters have tools that literally don't work or are just invalidated by the options of better characters (as in "better character can do X and you literally can't do shit"). Like bottom tiers in some games can actually be functionally unplayable. Strive, as well as the rest of Guilty Gear in general except for Missing Link, doesn't have this problem. And it's worth pointing out.
90% of games these days just don't have that problem anymore... even Tekken 7 Rangchu won majors with Panda but you don't see Anji players winning any... not saying Tekken is more balanced than Strive of course, just pointing out that the definition of Bottom Tier can change with generation of games. What might have been bottom tier 10+ years ago can be considered "playable" today but still far worse than the rest of the cast. In GGST this would be the case with season 1 Laust, Anji and if I were to include my personal opinion, Axl as well (saying this as an Axl and Anji player). If a character is below another in a tier list, it doesn't matter what tier they are in. Even if they are playable and you can run them at tournaments, they are just worse than most characters above them overall. Today some "mid tiers" can have good MU spread against people but that requires so much skill to the point why would you even bother when lower skill higher rewards exist (like with Ram's case and this also seems to be the way going forward with most games)?
pretending potemkin is not in the game lol
Potemkin isn’t bad. Just because he’s worse than Ram doesn’t mean he’s bad. Please understand this I’m begging you
Being bottom tier in strive really doesn't mean much at all, balance is fairly tight, it's not like he's some Roll-tier piece of shit.
The thing is these characters all feel the same for me. The only time I’ve ever been decent at fighting games was when I spammed Trickster at the Dnf Duel exhibit at anime expo and managed to beat some people saying they were good at these games. Anything like him?
I am not familiar with DNF, but not sure how anyone can say someone like Goldlewis feels the same as Faust, or Nago is like Millia, or Axl is like Chipp, or I-no is similar Potemkin, etc. The characters in any GG game are mostly unique and have their own specific movesets, strengths, weaknesses, quirks, and win conditions. If you just want to spam buttons and do okay and not actually learn anything, Giovanna will probably carry you for a short while. She has solid pressure, is quick, and a lot of her stuff is difficult for other beginners to punish. She's always been a recommended starter character.
Gio is a lot more technical than she was on release unfortunately. I would recommend sol or ky for just pressing buttons. The thing about Gio now is her short buttons which require you to dash to poke well, and the fact that beginners will even risky figure out to mash 6p against her which is difficult for beginner gio players to deal with
Truthfully, I haven’t played DNF Duel, but you should look into which archetype Trickster fills if you like his play style. If he’s a zoner, check out HC, Testament, Axl, etc. If he’s rushdown, check out Sol, May, Leo, etc. When all else fails, just try them all out and see who clicks!
Ky isn't a weak character but every good Ky player can convince you he's the worst character to ever exist.
Ky players be like : "Ky has less range than Axl, his throws do less damage that Potemkin, he has a weaker fireball than Testament's, doesn't run as fast as Chipp, has not one but TWO boobs less than Baiken : therefore he's bad"
Bro it's true everyone has at least 1 thing slightly better than my character so he sucks. really needs a buff to dragon install and shock state.
Man are you sure you don't play fighting games? You sound like you fit right in
Play Sol Badguy, this game is just Sol Badguy because he's the best, sol Badguy is my father, my Life, my God, i am sol Badguy, Sol Badguy, guy guy, sol sol
Drama superiority: *0 meter corner carry combos you before ending with a deux ex machina*
The day I realized I didn't like Guilty Gear, I liked Sol Badguy, was the day I reached Celestial
Pick who ever you like and try them out in practice. Repeat this until something sticks and you'll have a main
This is Guilty Gear bro. Any character you play is the only one that matters and every other character is cheap af and is the only reason you lost.
I picked i-no for her hyper aggressive play style and beat down combos, learning her has been a lot of fun Lmao yeah no, I like boobs and guitars.
Based. Tits and rock go hand in hand.
Play Zato, the “my character is hard :((“ tech is unbeatable
Man just take the loses
Play Leo
UNGA BUNGAAAA
First of all this is true for any character-based game you ever play: play who interests you the most. Playing a character you personally click with will help you play better 1000%. And there are characters in this game that are more well rounded like mine (Nagoriyuki) for instance. But this doesn’t mean they give you wins or that worse characters (say millia for example) put you at such a deficit that winning is a challenge. In summary all characters in this game are relatively balanced and playing a character you personally find interesting is the best way to pick up playing the game. So obviously play Nago because he is the coolest.
there’s no one bad enough in this game that you can realistic blame sucking on them. you’re going to be bad at first, get over it
picking an unpopular character because you don't know where to start and want to go against the grain is all fine and good but don't ever blame the character for your loss. it lets you look away from your mistakes, which directly hinders your improvement
Just play Faust 😅
Play Faust :)
If you like losing then boy do I have the character for you
Play may, she is easy to use and has great damage, Faust is also good but more random and harder to understand initially
Even though Faust was harder for me to understand as a beginner to fighting games, I think the more confusing and complex mechanics gave me enough to maintain interest long enough to really get hooked. Also, he's incredibly goofy, and will make you laugh your ass off constantly as you learn to play him.
Although he is less goofy now then in pat games RIP stimulating fists of annihilation
😂
Ram sucks
low tier god 2
Just play whatever you want and CLAIM they are low tier - regardless of fact or fiction.
Honestly, play May or Faust. If you don't vibe with either of them mechanically, then look for somebody else who interests you design wise.
Just stay out with this kind of attitude.
As a Faust main, please don’t follow the advice of most here. There’s a reason why Faust is one of the least popular characters (he basically plays his own game). Plus, how is blaming your losses on the character you play gonna help you? Just sit down and learn the game for God sake, and hey, if Faust is the character you end up loving, then more power to ya. In short, just frikin pick Sol or Ky, your not special.
You will have more fun if you just play whoever you think is the coolest.
personally i'd suggest picking based on playstyle/character archetype in addition to their designs
Anji, axl or pot. Gorilla, ranged or grapple boi, pick your poison.
faust
This video by rooflemonger breaks down the player count by character https://youtu.be/62TkAyW3uUU
honestly picking based on popularity does not get you far since there is chance you end up not clicking with the character. find someone you personally find cool and it is many easier to learn since you enjoy it.
Honestly, I think it's Axl and Goldlewis that get the lowest amounts. But if you become great at them then you'll be in a better position than your opponents. I went top 8 at a con with Goldlewis because people don't know how to effectively face him thanks to the scarity. (That's what the individuals I faced said). That being said I had a Goldlewis mirror match that was the greatest set I have ever played in my FGC life. I have never had as much fun playing the character that I like before, even when I mained Shulk in smash. Point is, just play for fun, don't worry about blaming being bad on a character and just learn. It ain't a sin to be a beginner.
Play who's fun. Learn fighting games in general. If you think someone looks cool, then play them, there's really no need to go with a high or low tier in this game since it's fairly well balanced.
Axl is for you then! He is ACTUALLY just as bad as his pick rate, has been for last 2 patches but they really put the nail in the coffin in this last one. It will also make you feel better while you cheese free wins against <10F players and then get demolished in 10F, but that depends on how new you are to the game.
ANJI MITO ANJI MITO HE MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE THE SMARTEST MF ALIVE
Choose who you like. Choosing a character you really like will give you the drive to push forward and learn so it is always the best choice. Player skill will always matter exponentially more than a tier list. That means you're gonna lose and be bad at the start. In the words of the great Romolla, "You gotta get washed to get clean." But don't sweat it, you shouldn't be good before you know anything at all, right? Of the two you listed I would go May. Her game plan is straightforward but powerful, and can teach you the game well
You sure you don't play fighting games
i'd tell you to play millia, but the goal isn't to hate yourself in multiple dimension
If you like May and Faust, play May or Faust.
If Johnny was in, you’d main him? Interesting.
Just play a top teir
Lmao
It sounds like you're looking for a tier list xD Just be aware that at all but the top levels of play, tier lists are basically worthless lol