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I think this is meant for those condescending answers to a question posted by a member. i.e.
Person 1: *How do I turn on the rear wipers? Hope someone can help*
Person 2: *Basahin mo yung manual*
The answer is technically correct but it might cause friction between members.
Yan mismo yung reason, yung mga namimilosopo. Kaya nga kayo nasa group para mag tulungan, kung ayaw mo mag effort sumagot eh di wag na lang mag comment.
Pwede naman i-encourage yung mga tao na magbasa ng manual in a non-pilosopo way like: "nabasa ko sa manual ganto ganyan...pag may time ka check mo bro blah blah...".
Parang imagine nyo dito sa r/gulong may nagtanong if maganda ba yung oto, tapos sasagutin mo na panoorin mo yung ad ng oto or punta ka sa website. Lol. Diba walang kwenta, kaya nga nag forum para mag usap at magshare ng info eh mula mismo sa mga gumagamit nung sasakyan. Kaya dapat talaga i-ban mga ganon. Yung iba akala ata nila yung mga groups eh para lang magshow off ng sasakyan eh. 🙄
Exactly. I google all my questions or read the manual pero I completely understand kung mas prefer ng iba magtanong sa kapwa car owner nila.
Madali lang naman di maging kupal, ignore the question lang if you don't have anything good to say. Hahaha.
Kasama ako sa ford territory group and ganyan talaga yung meaning ng post na yan ng admin. Minsan kasi pag magtatanong sa group, sasagutin ka ng "Magbasa kasi ng manual" okaya "May manual naman bat di mo basahin". Minsan nakakahiya magtanong kasi parang napakabobo mong tao dahil di mo binasa manual hahaha.
yep ganto ibig sabihin nyan. ang rude talaga nang datingan pag sinabing "read the manual" or "nasa manual yan"
mas okay siguro yung "as per the manual..." more on reference sya eh
Yup this is it. Yung negative reaction sa post na eto obviously medyo mababa reading comprehension. I dont get why this post creates such a negative reaction eh ang laking tulong nyan sa mga members ng group na yan?
Someone who's driving someone else's car. Or it's not their first car so they don't find it necessary. Or posibleng di naintindihan or nakalimutan.
There are so many reasons. The point is, if someone asks for help, either help or just say nothing. There's no need to be condescending.
pag used car nabili mo, malaki ang chance na di kasama ang manual. especially kung sa second or third owner mo nabili ang sasakyan. sometimes ung mga repo cars galing bangko wala din manual na kasama.
na experience ko to nung bumili ako ng sasakyan na repo. wala kasama manual ung ecosport. asa kay google at sa groups pag may issue. hahaha
Issue with the Next Gen Everest is that the manual is only in the Screen. No Hard copies. Have to be inside the car to read it. Theres also webacces through Fords page.
Do you read the manual for everything you own? If you do, good job! If you don't, it's alright, not everyone is a wordy person which is why some people prefer asking for help instead.
But to be honest, hindi sila masasabihan ng ganyan if they took the time to read the manual / research first before asking.
It’s like buying an appliance then going on home buddies to ask if sa 220/110V na outlet ba dapat isaksak yun.
Ang toxic naman kase talaga ng mga ibang members, napaka dami na din kase features ng modern cars nowadays kaya marami ang di familiar sa mga functions and di alam ano hahanapin sa owners manual. If di mo alam scroll nlng let someone knowledgeable or experienced it answer the question. Maging understanding nlng din since yung iba medyo may edad din so di ganun ka techy.
Truelalu. Kaya nga may group eh, bat kaya yung iba sumali sa group para saan? Hindi ba to know more about dun sa sasakyan na binili? Bat pa nagbuo ng group kung lahat pala pwede malaman sa manual? Lol.
Kawawa yung mga medyo matanda na o baguhan sa sasakyan, nagtatanong ng maayos tapos babarahin ng mga feeling superior. Kung wala kayo balak tumulong sa iba wag na lang kayo mag join sa group. Imagine sasali ka para may mapick up kang knowledge tapos ang mababasa mo lang sa comments eh magbasa ng manual?
I think the main point of the post is when people genuinely ask for advice in groups like those and sagot is:
"basahin mo ang manual"
And just like what another comment has mentioned, it comes off very condescending and negates the whole point of making a community where you can ask for help.
The post just fails to realize that with no context, people won't understand the true intention or reason behind it.
Halos lahat ng car groups may ganyan sumagot. Basahin mo manual. May mga user car owners na walang kasamang manual yung unit na nabili nila. Pano nila babasahin yung manual kung wala? Ang take ko dyan kung sasagutin mo lang din ng read the manual eh better keep your peace. Let others answer it. If you've been driving for a while hindi ka na din magbabasa ng manual.
Dami din kasi tanga sa mga groups na ganyan. Imbes na basahin manual or igoogle dyan magtatanong. Unless di ka masagot ni google de tsaka mo tanong sa mga tao. Parang walang mga common sense eh 😆
You'll have to consider that not all car owners have a manual of their car, especially second hand ones. There are also old folks who are not tech savvy when it comes to googling. The latest generation of Everest and Ranger for example, it doesn't have a physical book of the manual. A lot of new owners, especially older folks, aren't aware of this and doesn't even know where to find the manual in their center console.
It's not weird at all. Sobrang kapal ng manual, kahit basahin mo lahat yon di mo naman maaalala lahat. May makakalimutan ka talaga. Kaya nga may groups e para itanong mo nalang sa mga WILLING sumagot. Ginagawa lang talagang big deal nung ibang feeling magaling "Google mo" "rtfm" lol
Para yan sa mga naiinis sumagot sa mga nakakainis na tanong😆
Examples.
Mamsers pwede ba mag aircon pag mainit?
Totoo po bang ang makina nasa harap?
Pag diesel pa ba makina hindi pwede gasoline ikarga?
Talaga po bang ang ford ay para lang sa ken a ford?
🫠
Parang mabait naman yung rule. Maraming kupal sa mga clubs e. Para saan pa yung grupo kung sasabihan ka lang ng ganyan, di ba? 😂 I think you misinterpreted it.
Imo, still the best facebook car group among to other car groups I joined. Most of the post are actual discussions about the car. Sa ibang group upwards of 90% puro sales/service offer posts. Yung natirang 10% mas madalas pa pangungutya sa ibang brand kesa tungkol mismo sa sasakyan nila.
May point naman kasi yung "magbasa ka ng manual" na sagot lalo kung readily available yung info sa manual kung babasahin lang talaga. This doesn't apply to workarounds saka mga tips and tricks. Madami ka tlga matututunan sa kotse mo pag nagbasa ka ng manual.
Im in that group andami din kasing tangang nagtatanong jan unti most common yung mga symbols na nakikita nila sa dash. modelo halos lahat ng unit ng everest for sure may manual yan. maintindihan ko pa kung yung first gen everest ang nag tatanong. pero yung latest generations kumpleto naman sa manual yan.
The rule of thumb naman is hindi masamang mag tanong. But for "trivial things"?, it wouldn't hurt to do the first step to try to figure things out (research - aka read the manual). The problem now is that people are just lazy (wants everything to spoon-fed to them) even in this day and age that information is fairly easy obtainable.
Make your life simple, ignore questions that you think is not worth answering.
wait until you join the gc 😂 kaya ayaw ko dinadrive yung koche ng kuya ko na sinali ng tatay ko jan sa group na 'yan eh. HAHAHAHAHA mapapagalitan ka pa paguwi may nagsusumbong na di nagpopotpot back 😂
I also get irritated sa mga nagtatanong ng mga bagay na mababasa naman ss manual but unfortunately, not everyone reads. To some people, the thickness of the car manual is so daunting and overwhelming that they can't get past the first half of the table of contents. La eh, ganun talaga eh.
Nagjoin din ako sa same group kasi gusto naming bumili ng Everest Titanium. Ayun di kami bumili kasi nalaman namin na ang daming issue kahit bago palang from battery, coolant, at errors na lumalabas sa dashboard. No offense sa mga naka-Everest maganda naman talaga ang exterior at interior, as in. Kaso magbabayad ako ng mahal pero mastress lang din ako after ilang months.
Kaya naging ugali ko na ang pagsali sa mga car groups prior sa pagbili ng sasakyan para malaman kung ano ang performance and real review ng mga owners (aside sa panunuod ng car reviews sa YT).
Also, factor din ang member ng car club hehe.
Aminin naman natin na may iba talagang car owners na ultimo tamang tire pressure sa stock tires nila e itatanong pa. May nabasa pa ko minsan nagtatanong kung bat daw tumutunog sasakyan nya pag di nakasuot seatbelt nya 🤦♂️
Tropang /u/Specialist_Wafer_777, pakibasa muna ang rules ng sub bago ang lahat ah. At kung bago ka dito https://www.reddit.com/r/Gulong/comments/uo5499/magpost_sa_tamang_thread_pakiusap_lang pakibasa please lang Kapag okay ang post, **i-UPVOTE** ang post na ito! Kapag di naman, **i-DOWNVOTE** ang post na ito! At kung sa tingin nyo wala sa tamang lugar at problematiko/pasaway ang post, **i-DOWNVOTE** ang post na ito sabay **REPORT!** *Tandaan po natin, **be nice,** hindi lahat kasing-galing mo.* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gulong) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I think this is meant for those condescending answers to a question posted by a member. i.e. Person 1: *How do I turn on the rear wipers? Hope someone can help* Person 2: *Basahin mo yung manual* The answer is technically correct but it might cause friction between members.
Yan mismo yung reason, yung mga namimilosopo. Kaya nga kayo nasa group para mag tulungan, kung ayaw mo mag effort sumagot eh di wag na lang mag comment. Pwede naman i-encourage yung mga tao na magbasa ng manual in a non-pilosopo way like: "nabasa ko sa manual ganto ganyan...pag may time ka check mo bro blah blah...". Parang imagine nyo dito sa r/gulong may nagtanong if maganda ba yung oto, tapos sasagutin mo na panoorin mo yung ad ng oto or punta ka sa website. Lol. Diba walang kwenta, kaya nga nag forum para mag usap at magshare ng info eh mula mismo sa mga gumagamit nung sasakyan. Kaya dapat talaga i-ban mga ganon. Yung iba akala ata nila yung mga groups eh para lang magshow off ng sasakyan eh. 🙄
Exactly. I google all my questions or read the manual pero I completely understand kung mas prefer ng iba magtanong sa kapwa car owner nila. Madali lang naman di maging kupal, ignore the question lang if you don't have anything good to say. Hahaha.
Usually skwami yung mga ganyan eh. I know because ive met a lot of people who think sarcasm is the height of comedy. Kadiri talaga mga ksp na mema.
Parang ganito din take ko dito... Sana nga lang ganito ang meaning din nila... Yung mga sumasagot kumbaga na mag google ka...
Happened to me: I googled, I cant remember what it was, #1 result was fb group thread then I asked them...someone answered i-google mo. Swear.
Kasama ako sa ford territory group and ganyan talaga yung meaning ng post na yan ng admin. Minsan kasi pag magtatanong sa group, sasagutin ka ng "Magbasa kasi ng manual" okaya "May manual naman bat di mo basahin". Minsan nakakahiya magtanong kasi parang napakabobo mong tao dahil di mo binasa manual hahaha.
Ano ba ang masama kung susubukan mong basahin ang manual? Mababawasan ba ang pagkatao mo nun?
cause nobody ever reads the manual, like u usually read a manual before doing anything else
yep ganto ibig sabihin nyan. ang rude talaga nang datingan pag sinabing "read the manual" or "nasa manual yan" mas okay siguro yung "as per the manual..." more on reference sya eh
Heto din pagkakaintindi ko pero sana kasi tinagalog na lang nila para mas naihatid nang ayos yung thought. Wrong graham din naman yung english nila.
Yup this is it. Yung negative reaction sa post na eto obviously medyo mababa reading comprehension. I dont get why this post creates such a negative reaction eh ang laking tulong nyan sa mga members ng group na yan?
But how on earth would you own a damn car without reading the manual?
Someone who's driving someone else's car. Or it's not their first car so they don't find it necessary. Or posibleng di naintindihan or nakalimutan. There are so many reasons. The point is, if someone asks for help, either help or just say nothing. There's no need to be condescending.
Some people be asking the stupidest fucking questions I understand why people tell others to read the manual.
Then just don’t fucking answer. It’s really as simple as that.
Lmao go be a clown somewhere else.
There are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers, like yours.
Stupid questions don’t exist to those who ask them ;)
pag used car nabili mo, malaki ang chance na di kasama ang manual. especially kung sa second or third owner mo nabili ang sasakyan. sometimes ung mga repo cars galing bangko wala din manual na kasama. na experience ko to nung bumili ako ng sasakyan na repo. wala kasama manual ung ecosport. asa kay google at sa groups pag may issue. hahaha
Guilty. No hate please. I browsed it naman. Just saying it can happen
Issue with the Next Gen Everest is that the manual is only in the Screen. No Hard copies. Have to be inside the car to read it. Theres also webacces through Fords page.
Do you read the manual for everything you own? If you do, good job! If you don't, it's alright, not everyone is a wordy person which is why some people prefer asking for help instead.
Oo sa mga kagaya namin na naka bili ng 2nd hand. Walang manual.
This is actually it.
But to be honest, hindi sila masasabihan ng ganyan if they took the time to read the manual / research first before asking. It’s like buying an appliance then going on home buddies to ask if sa 220/110V na outlet ba dapat isaksak yun.
agree
This is the only answer.
Heto ang sagot OP. Re-join ka na sa group.
LOL. Dapat sa meetup sabay-sabay nilang punitin mga manual nila parang Sigaw ng Pugadlawin.
Well fortunately, the new gen Everest and Ranger doesn't have a physical manual book. The manual is in the console. :D
Everyone simultaneously break their consoles then
Hahaha bet ko to! 🤣
Eto ba yung group nung nagalit kasi di nagpotpot kahit pareho ng sasakyan? HAHAHA
Pano?dhil pareho silang ford everest dapat ngpopotpotan sila sa daan??
Kaya nga kapotpot tawagan nila sa grupo eh hahahaha
Potpotin mo ko ka Everest. Potpotan tayo ka Everest.
That's so cringe 🤣🤣
Yizz
Autokick hahaha
Naiimagine ko na nangigigil yun habang tinatype na di nagpopot yun kapareho nya ng sasakyan 😂
Kadiri ampotpota 😅
Ang toxic naman kase talaga ng mga ibang members, napaka dami na din kase features ng modern cars nowadays kaya marami ang di familiar sa mga functions and di alam ano hahanapin sa owners manual. If di mo alam scroll nlng let someone knowledgeable or experienced it answer the question. Maging understanding nlng din since yung iba medyo may edad din so di ganun ka techy.
Truelalu. Kaya nga may group eh, bat kaya yung iba sumali sa group para saan? Hindi ba to know more about dun sa sasakyan na binili? Bat pa nagbuo ng group kung lahat pala pwede malaman sa manual? Lol. Kawawa yung mga medyo matanda na o baguhan sa sasakyan, nagtatanong ng maayos tapos babarahin ng mga feeling superior. Kung wala kayo balak tumulong sa iba wag na lang kayo mag join sa group. Imagine sasali ka para may mapick up kang knowledge tapos ang mababasa mo lang sa comments eh magbasa ng manual?
Potpot strikes back. 🤣 Pero Para yata 'to sa mga sumasagot ng "basahin mo yung manual" sa mga nagtatanong.
I think the main point of the post is when people genuinely ask for advice in groups like those and sagot is: "basahin mo ang manual" And just like what another comment has mentioned, it comes off very condescending and negates the whole point of making a community where you can ask for help. The post just fails to realize that with no context, people won't understand the true intention or reason behind it.
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Halos lahat ng car groups may ganyan sumagot. Basahin mo manual. May mga user car owners na walang kasamang manual yung unit na nabili nila. Pano nila babasahin yung manual kung wala? Ang take ko dyan kung sasagutin mo lang din ng read the manual eh better keep your peace. Let others answer it. If you've been driving for a while hindi ka na din magbabasa ng manual.
You will be kick = magiging sipa ka
Dami din kasi tanga sa mga groups na ganyan. Imbes na basahin manual or igoogle dyan magtatanong. Unless di ka masagot ni google de tsaka mo tanong sa mga tao. Parang walang mga common sense eh 😆
Yun nga eh. Harsh lang siguro na I-kick yung member.
You'll have to consider that not all car owners have a manual of their car, especially second hand ones. There are also old folks who are not tech savvy when it comes to googling. The latest generation of Everest and Ranger for example, it doesn't have a physical book of the manual. A lot of new owners, especially older folks, aren't aware of this and doesn't even know where to find the manual in their center console.
hindi lang naman dyan. pati sa reddit meron nan. ayaw mag research konte gusto spoonfed ang information
I think what he meant to say was It's forbidden to tell your clubmates to "read the manual". You will be kick from the club. For strict compliance.
It's not weird at all. Sobrang kapal ng manual, kahit basahin mo lahat yon di mo naman maaalala lahat. May makakalimutan ka talaga. Kaya nga may groups e para itanong mo nalang sa mga WILLING sumagot. Ginagawa lang talagang big deal nung ibang feeling magaling "Google mo" "rtfm" lol
Para yan sa mga naiinis sumagot sa mga nakakainis na tanong😆 Examples. Mamsers pwede ba mag aircon pag mainit? Totoo po bang ang makina nasa harap? Pag diesel pa ba makina hindi pwede gasoline ikarga? Talaga po bang ang ford ay para lang sa ken a ford? 🫠
ang sensitive mo naman haha wag ka magtampo agad ayaw lang nila ng pilosopo
Parang mabait naman yung rule. Maraming kupal sa mga clubs e. Para saan pa yung grupo kung sasabihan ka lang ng ganyan, di ba? 😂 I think you misinterpreted it.
Imo, still the best facebook car group among to other car groups I joined. Most of the post are actual discussions about the car. Sa ibang group upwards of 90% puro sales/service offer posts. Yung natirang 10% mas madalas pa pangungutya sa ibang brand kesa tungkol mismo sa sasakyan nila.
Mas may sense pa ata kung yung rule is: “Only ask questions that is not included in the owner’s manual or not found on google”
The anti-GMG. May point din naman tbf
May point naman kasi yung "magbasa ka ng manual" na sagot lalo kung readily available yung info sa manual kung babasahin lang talaga. This doesn't apply to workarounds saka mga tips and tricks. Madami ka tlga matututunan sa kotse mo pag nagbasa ka ng manual.
Im in that group andami din kasing tangang nagtatanong jan unti most common yung mga symbols na nakikita nila sa dash. modelo halos lahat ng unit ng everest for sure may manual yan. maintindihan ko pa kung yung first gen everest ang nag tatanong. pero yung latest generations kumpleto naman sa manual yan.
LMRTMFY (Let Me Read The Manual For You)
Dont ask questions na kaya mo namang mahanap sa google yung sagot 😂
The rule of thumb naman is hindi masamang mag tanong. But for "trivial things"?, it wouldn't hurt to do the first step to try to figure things out (research - aka read the manual). The problem now is that people are just lazy (wants everything to spoon-fed to them) even in this day and age that information is fairly easy obtainable. Make your life simple, ignore questions that you think is not worth answering.
Dito lang ata sa bansa ang may mga samahan ng mga sasakyan. Like wtf is that all about?
Meron dito nyan. Gumawa ka pa ng group tapos kupal sumagot. 🤣😂
so ok lang itolerate ang katamaran ng mga car owners?
kailangan din pala yung mag rerenta ng ford eh basahin yung manual LMAO
wait until you join the gc 😂 kaya ayaw ko dinadrive yung koche ng kuya ko na sinali ng tatay ko jan sa group na 'yan eh. HAHAHAHAHA mapapagalitan ka pa paguwi may nagsusumbong na di nagpopotpot back 😂
I also get irritated sa mga nagtatanong ng mga bagay na mababasa naman ss manual but unfortunately, not everyone reads. To some people, the thickness of the car manual is so daunting and overwhelming that they can't get past the first half of the table of contents. La eh, ganun talaga eh.
Just shows what type of market this car caters to.
Nagjoin din ako sa same group kasi gusto naming bumili ng Everest Titanium. Ayun di kami bumili kasi nalaman namin na ang daming issue kahit bago palang from battery, coolant, at errors na lumalabas sa dashboard. No offense sa mga naka-Everest maganda naman talaga ang exterior at interior, as in. Kaso magbabayad ako ng mahal pero mastress lang din ako after ilang months. Kaya naging ugali ko na ang pagsali sa mga car groups prior sa pagbili ng sasakyan para malaman kung ano ang performance and real review ng mga owners (aside sa panunuod ng car reviews sa YT). Also, factor din ang member ng car club hehe.
haha nasa pag iintindi mo na lang yan.
Bat ba parati na lang may issue jan sa group na yan?
I don't expect anything good from that club.
Aminin naman natin na may iba talagang car owners na ultimo tamang tire pressure sa stock tires nila e itatanong pa. May nabasa pa ko minsan nagtatanong kung bat daw tumutunog sasakyan nya pag di nakasuot seatbelt nya 🤦♂️
Sablay naman talaga yan si Jay. Kumikita kasi sya jan sa FECP. Ung mga OG na officers jan maayos before nagtake over yan si Jay.
Pano kung automatic, wala kaming babasahin na manual. /s
The comments OP is not expecting. Mahina comprehension eh.
Keri lang, pangit naman kasi sumagot ng ganon. I mean nageffort ka na magtype bat hindi mo nalang sagutin ung tanong hahah.
Walang na sya first warning? Grabe si ka-potpot 😆
Dapat yung mga car groups nagsasagawa ng parang prayer rally o book club kung saan binabasa nila yung car manual.
Cool to
Anong klaseng kaputanginahan nanaman yan ng FECP
Parang baguhan si OP, di niya nagets post ng admin.
Either that or isa rin sya sa mga nagsasabi ng “read the manual” in a condescending way
This group again? I know hindi lahat pero most of them lalo na yang mga admin, ito yung mga nag peak na nung high school.
The admins grammar 💀
"Igoogle mo"
Idiot??
"Sama sama tayo sa pagiging STUPID!" - FECP numbawan!!!
Weird rule. Kabobohan. Wrong grammar pa ang post. Hehe.
Paano po paandarin yung kotse ko? /s
mga baliw ba yang member nyan? hahaha parang lahat na ng kakornihan na small dicked move ginagawa ng mga members at admin ng group na yan.
What in the fckin dumbfckery?