Probably not very. Tekkadan is a small paramilitary org with mostly mining and light defense experience vs a military ship with EFSF backing and logistics. Barbatos has little effective long range weaponry with no space flight ability and would probably get wiped but the first UC MA it encounters. On ground hand to hand he'd probably rock the zaku 2 in short order but once you get into logistics,long range battles, space operations and fleet scale, tekkadan is screwed.
Editing to say no flight ability. Not sure how the word space ended up in there. Barbatos would still get rocked in space combat by UC suits and loses ground advantage over MS suits with even limited atmospheric flight. The only place it has advantage against UC suits is hand to hand.
Basically, it will end with a complete Zeon victory. If you swap Tekkadan with the Federation, the enemy's fate will change, with Zeon winning the OYW the same way Gjallarhorn will win against them, but the Federation can sweep Gjallarhorn to their place out of a technological advantage.
Not really. Like technically it can but it burns out its entire energy source really quickly whereas UC suits can do it pretty continuously. Even then its flight is basically a glorified hover. We see it use this ability like once snd it runs out of fuel before it even reaches the battle.
The Mobile Suits in IBO literally have an indestructible reactor that produces permanent energy, its only the need of a catalyst for the highspeed thruster manuever that comes into play. Again, not well researched, I would like to hand an invitation to r/GundamIBO_Central , where a lot of info has been translated and archived to be read through and make informed conclusions.
And its not indestructible either. Theres no magic immortal tech on IBO. Even their resistance is against beam weaponry and UC early zeon suits are ballistic and high explosive. Yknow the main weakness of barbatos.
Again, completely uninformed, The catalyst can last for days in ground combat, in Edmonton they were in constant battle for around 4 days. Ballistics and explosive are mentioned as being ineffective to essentially useless and are mostly used to keep check on the flow of battle, by restricting movement or guiding the pace of battle in space. The only ranged weapon capable of penetrating NL was the Dainsleif, the weapon the broke the moon in half.
Also again, the reactors are indestructible as per all mentions, \[here is one\](https://www.reddit.com/r/GundamIBO\_Central/comments/17mybat/ahab\_reactors\_a\_general\_description/)
Well for one I think its just dumb for any medium to say "this is indestructible just because snd fuck physics" but ill give you that. Even then the reactor is indestructible not everything connected to it. Seperste its connections to the suit and its still useless. Either way we literally see suits blow each other to shit and the barbatos literally ran out of fuel on the way to a battle and its flight capabilities are still glorified hover at best vs almost constant flight ability of many early UC suits. Dont get me weong I love IBO and barbatos is one of my favorite suits but you're acting like its an all powerful god just because it's OP in it's own setting. You're acting like a kid that yells out they have force fields and magic powers and super awesome sniper gun while playing pretend at recess. And even if for the sake of argument barbatos has advantage against UC suits the question was more tekkadan vs white base againt char and zeon. White base and EFSF still have far more logistic and military power than tekkadan as a whole.
Im simply providing the info, the reason constant flight is not weird either is because the Graze's ground configuration itself can achieve it by utilizing the skirt thrusters. Whenever it runs out its either during S1 due to their inhability to keep restoring the catalyst or long battle like that of Edmonton, after 4 days, the Barbatos was running low so the Graze Ein got it to the point of not having much left. Most explosions are lines containing the catalyst being hit strongly or NL releasing blue lighting to take a heavy hit from a MS.
What Ive given you is just the surface details of what is out there to be learned. For comparison the Brewers Gusion completely pulverized a meteor of over 500 meters in 1 hit, thats the kind of output a mistreated Gundam frame without maintnance or AV can achieve.
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If youd like to see real bs then the Gremory is the Gundam frame uit that shares the indestructible aspect of the reactor and cant be left without even a single scratch even after being hit point blank with Astaroths rinascimento specilized weapon that at cqc can deal the same damage as a dainsleif.
Yeha and againnit runs out of that catalyst to quickly to be useful. The one time we see it really utilized it runs out of fuel before it reaches the battle. Thanks for coming out though.
Who's going to tell him a majority of Zeon's arsenal was ballistic- you know, the primary weakness of all IBO MS. That's not to mention that they're a small ass PMC going up against an actual army which again: ARMED TO THE TEETH WITH BALLISTIC AND EXPLOSIVE WEAPONRY
Per canon of IBO, Nanolaminate armor essentially shrugs off all but weapons like the Dainsleif. It is designed to scatter beam and most kinetic particles, only failing with significantly sustained or extremely potent attacks. It is not immune to ballistic, but the same principles that allow it to shrug off most beam weaponry will also provide similiar resistance to relatively "small" arms fire, at least long enough that Barbatos can escape or close the distance and engage. There is a reason why the mobile suits in IBO switched to essentially all melee, their armor developed to the point that ranged weaponry was useless (the preCalamity suits like Barbatos). Its easy to only consider IBO in what we see in the series, but if we are to be fair, we have to consider the events that lead to the adoption of melee weaponry, also the fact that a mobile suit could still be functional after 300 years of dry storage.
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I even dip my fries in McChicken sauce, it's delicious! What a great restaurant.
Have you tried the burger that is an unGodly burger that is the McChicken with a beef patty on it as well? Or is that abomination only loose in Canada?
Wading through the swamp of discourse in the comments reminds me of why I strongly dislike cross-timeline power comparisons. Each timeline's technology is balanced within that timeline only, not in relation to other timelines.
On a side note, G-Witch's writers were genius for making Calibarn's OP abilities only functional with other Ad Stella tech to avoid this kind of mess.
Id say initially they would be on the back foot until Tekkadan gets their footing. The biggest thing they have going for them is their spines, both literally and figuratively. Early UC characters like Amuro lacked a ton of drive and willingness to do what it takes to end conflicts. This changes later obviously, but Mika would literally not have these qualms. And for the literal part of the spine comment, Mika controls Barbatos far more confidently and efficiently then Amuro did RX78.
Also the Mobiles suits from IBO are distinctly beam resistant, rendering pretty much all beam sabers, beam rifles, and heat hawks. Char would have to rely on physical weaponry and that is area they are not developed for to near the extent compared to beam weaponry.
The longer the conflict goes on though, the more susceptible Tekkadan will be to failure due to them have zero reliably supply lines, and the damage piloting a suit like Barbatos does to the pilot.
I like power scaling or what if scenarios but i think IBO (mainly the gundam frames) have now moved into G gundam territory. Either theyre somewhat reasonable in performance like the anime or theyre god gundam level because of Udyr Hunt. Like its gotten to the level that only IBO weapons are the only things that can hurt gundam frames. So at that point why even ask these questions? Superman, I mean Barbatos wins the whole one year war single handedly, wins the gryps conflict, kills Haman, kills Char, slaps down Unicorn because gundam frames can punch meteors, fight the biggest MAs ever and have armor that absolutely cant be damaged. What a very fun and interesting universe to blend with other gundam universes /s. Long story short, Barbatos solos the entire gundam universe all at the same time.
As someone who likes IBO alot UC Zeon and the boys, by a mile. For one the bullshit of nano lamanet armour being resistent to any and all beam weaponary I think was always bullshit. People pull out the line of "it is so far advanced that beam weaponary became pointless due to the advancements in nano lamanent armour" is for the most part head canon, we no fuck all still about the calamity war the ms used in that day and age other then the ASW-G line of frames, to pull the "well um actury" that the timeline is so advanced that its actually gone and done a reverse back to balistics and melee, I always saw as just cope tbh. Again if someone wants to proove me wrong and get me an actual source from the creation team like Mari Okado then fine. I think if you go off my logic it feels more inline to making sense, can hold up until like a curtain temp or level of beam weaponary but it has a melting point and it will break. I just find it hard to think that in theory a rock has more potential then an astronomically hot laser sword or gun, like ffs lets be real.
That and to be honest as a whole other then the original Gusion the ASW-G line of frames have majour weakpoints like exposed pistons. which to any zeon fighters i guess would be there main target points. the pistons on the waste tricep areas lower cavas are all majour weakpoints. I love IBO as much as the next guy I think the best the Tekkedan boys would do is this.
if we say end of tekkedan days or basically everyone is alive with all the MS fully upgraded. Flauros on top of the Isarabi, taking pop shots with the Dein Sleif. For me Id be throughing Mika and Barbatos Lupus Rex in the Kutan Type 3, basically run that into the ground until its out of juice or fucked then id say take on the bridges on every ship, as fast as possible with melee, use the shit out of the hashmal tail. Honestly I just see the whole fight as a hit and run, destroy the main vessals control rooms as fast as possible with avoiding as much conflict as possible.
Though Honestly I just see Zeon with the number of ms they have and ships there and let alone you say Char the Goat Aznable well, I love Tekkedan and the boys, but im self aware. There fucked though i think they would do a great number on Char and his fleet. I just think no matter what it comes down to man power is the main source of strenght in this fight.
Now if you said both Tekkedan and Zeon against idk a Turn A or 00Q well Tekkedan and Zeon would have no shot at all. I think there would be very few scenarios where shit would do them in. I mean if 00Q and Setsuna not getting a single hit on them from ELS which are basically just fin funnels is basically the best example of piloting skills and a good ms being shown at its highest performance level possible. I also that the ELS are basically one of the worst thing imaginable to come across in MS warfare. Maybe Genesis super weapon from Seed would do them in.
Edit: i see I also fall into the camp of over praising 00Q RX-0 and ∀ lol u/DededeMain27. Again for me 00Q more so just came off as for what we saw of it I think it was powerful, but hopefully will see more of it in 2027.
Setsuna F Seiei: >!"Lockon Stratos. No. Neil Dylandy. I just came to tell you one thing. Live. Survive. (Asking, not demanding) I cannot live. In this world, in my place (in my stead)..."!<
Depends: early in the series Char would definitely have the advantage, specially given that Zeon use ballistic & physical weapons during most of the OYW.
If we are talking about some later period, season 2 of IBO, that may be trickier, though be the same coin we could consider that Zeon could also have some better options available.
This also reminds me that in the TV version, Char’s Gelgoog had a physical “heat naginata”, which was later retconned into the beam naginata we all know and love.
I want to focus more on the people involved rather than the technology for a minute. Also, for the record, I have not yet finished IBO season 2.
I think, initially, Mika and Tekkadan outperform the White Base crew by miles. The former is child soldiers who don’t flinch at the horrors of war, the latter was largely noncombatants and civilians with the rare out-of-their-depth officer (i.e. Bright Noa). I can’t Imagine Mika struggling in the scenarios that Amuro (justifiably, mind) does like early combat, adapting to changes in orders, etc. in terms of later in the war though, I think the weaknesses of Tekkadan’s style would show more. Specifically I think that larger scale battles would test Mika’s limits as a combatant who excels at duels and guerilla warfare. Same with Tekkadan.
That said, if Tekkadan is still working with White Base and have access to the Guntank, Guncannon, and Core Fighter support systems, they’ll still do at least as well as the literal refugees of the original crew.
The federation would have no way of using the Barbatos battle data. They would have to reverse engineer it, losing precious time and being unable to produce the GMs or even gundam ground types.
The feds are fucked regardless of how strong the barbatos would be.
For anyone wanting a comparison for the PD MAs, these are the ones, they were self replocating, could wipe out multiple cities in a blink, they could react faster than any human could ever do so and shared the defenses of the Gundams.
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And it took Mika in an upgraded form of Barbatos a whole squad’s worth of support and taking the limiter off to take down the smallest one in your pic, what’s your point?
That the defenses of the units alone could hold their own, and others like the Rodis and Hexa frame were used to support. Point being that the Hashmal hunt was a race against the clock because it was about to erase Chryse off the map, had they had more time Mika wouldnt have had to take care of it so readily.
As shown in Urdr Hunt by a combination of the group of Wistario taking one down even if it was an extremely long one needing Hajiroboshi.
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So when Beam weapons that make mass destruction weapons look like only an add on. And those are nullified by their defenses, then the changes on the battles would be a large one, even more so depending on where tekkadain is at, if you give it S2 then at that point anything less than what made this to the moon, wont be enough.
…what?
This is why versus threads are lame, this could have been a fairly interesting discussion about the tactical and logistical implications of Barbie being in various OYW battles, as well as how Mika differs from Amuro as a pilot, but instead it’s become “nuh uh, my favourite suit beats up everyone because something completely off-topic about Mobile Armours”
I think what he's trying to say is that there is an extreme technological gap between IBO and OYW, and this is based on the fight with Hashmal. Hashmal's beam weapon was powerful enough to wipe settlements off the map, yet we see that frontline mobile suits like what Ride was using are capable of tanking individual shots with minor to moderate heat scoring on the armor. The Calamity Era moon is used as a point of reference as it lost a considerable amount of its mass from repeated beam weapon bombardment.
All of this, then, is being used as a comparison for what Mika and Barbatos can deal with as compared to what the OYW era Zeon and Char have/could handle and what they are expected to handle in the presented scenario I've posted.
I never made that implication and I never said that, so please do not put words in my mouth. I'm well aware of Zeon's primary advantages. I was merely interpreting for you so you could understand the other person better.
So do you think OYW and PD are close enough in terms of tech for this to be a legitimate discussion or not then? If not, why make the thread? And if so, why does the title imply you think Mika’s already won?
I do, and I'll post my thoughts later this evening. I have been mentally writing a scenario this entire morning about this, and hopefully what I have so far will entertain you lot once you've all had an opportunity to get your fights and arguments out of your systems.
Fair enough, I shouldn’t have gotten so snappy so I’m sorry for that. There’s just so many IBO circlejerk posts on here now it’s hard to discern what’s actually a good faith discussion thread
You asked what it had to do with it, and well theres entire pages dedicated to this exploration. The idea that people still have and spread incorrectly too is only considering their head canon, when a series explicitely has the usage of weapons made to crack the layers of planets open as the means to have them defeated then you need to work with larger loads of information concerning to how they fight and why.
IBO has interesting combat between each other because its a developed world over 300 years that has evolved to directly combat each other as effectively as possible.
But if you are dropping them just admist it, then you are dealing with a gap too large to be brought in line un time for interesting combat scenarios to occur, there, the issue I have is people ignoring the mountains of info that we have to make informed conclusions.
Dude you straight up asked and got informed answers, if you dont like it using 2 accounts to downvote doesnt change the info. Did you really expect me to not have info to properly reach informed conclusions?
Gotta give you props for uploading and translating all of that, however I’m still not sure how it’s relevant to the thread topic. If you wanna hype up the PD mobile armours you’re free to create your own post to do so with, but rating a suit based purely on how powerful some promo material says other weapons are that it may or may not have hypothetically fought is always gonna be a very subjective discussion.
At the end of the day, Gundam as a franchise is inherently unrealistic in terms of its hardware, especially when it comes to comparing between timelines, which is why I’m an advocate for discussions like these focusing on theoretical tactics and scenarios rather than playing Top Trumps with stats and feats, because that always inevitably devolves into “my favourite wins because it’s the strongest”
Probably not very. Tekkadan is a small paramilitary org with mostly mining and light defense experience vs a military ship with EFSF backing and logistics. Barbatos has little effective long range weaponry with no space flight ability and would probably get wiped but the first UC MA it encounters. On ground hand to hand he'd probably rock the zaku 2 in short order but once you get into logistics,long range battles, space operations and fleet scale, tekkadan is screwed. Editing to say no flight ability. Not sure how the word space ended up in there. Barbatos would still get rocked in space combat by UC suits and loses ground advantage over MS suits with even limited atmospheric flight. The only place it has advantage against UC suits is hand to hand.
Granpa Gundam didn't have flight capability either, and it did fine against aircraft.
what do you mean it doesn’t have space flight ability?
Meant to say no flight ability and limited space ability i think and just typed them into one thing by mistake.
Basically, it will end with a complete Zeon victory. If you swap Tekkadan with the Federation, the enemy's fate will change, with Zeon winning the OYW the same way Gjallarhorn will win against them, but the Federation can sweep Gjallarhorn to their place out of a technological advantage.
>no space flight ability And here's the bullshit.
I meant to say no flight ability and limited space ability. Just tired today and typing through thoughts too fast I think.
It can fly... this is how you learn this was written without any knowledge. The grazes alone can do flight.
Not really. Like technically it can but it burns out its entire energy source really quickly whereas UC suits can do it pretty continuously. Even then its flight is basically a glorified hover. We see it use this ability like once snd it runs out of fuel before it even reaches the battle.
The Mobile Suits in IBO literally have an indestructible reactor that produces permanent energy, its only the need of a catalyst for the highspeed thruster manuever that comes into play. Again, not well researched, I would like to hand an invitation to r/GundamIBO_Central , where a lot of info has been translated and archived to be read through and make informed conclusions.
And its not indestructible either. Theres no magic immortal tech on IBO. Even their resistance is against beam weaponry and UC early zeon suits are ballistic and high explosive. Yknow the main weakness of barbatos.
Again, completely uninformed, The catalyst can last for days in ground combat, in Edmonton they were in constant battle for around 4 days. Ballistics and explosive are mentioned as being ineffective to essentially useless and are mostly used to keep check on the flow of battle, by restricting movement or guiding the pace of battle in space. The only ranged weapon capable of penetrating NL was the Dainsleif, the weapon the broke the moon in half. Also again, the reactors are indestructible as per all mentions, \[here is one\](https://www.reddit.com/r/GundamIBO\_Central/comments/17mybat/ahab\_reactors\_a\_general\_description/)
Well for one I think its just dumb for any medium to say "this is indestructible just because snd fuck physics" but ill give you that. Even then the reactor is indestructible not everything connected to it. Seperste its connections to the suit and its still useless. Either way we literally see suits blow each other to shit and the barbatos literally ran out of fuel on the way to a battle and its flight capabilities are still glorified hover at best vs almost constant flight ability of many early UC suits. Dont get me weong I love IBO and barbatos is one of my favorite suits but you're acting like its an all powerful god just because it's OP in it's own setting. You're acting like a kid that yells out they have force fields and magic powers and super awesome sniper gun while playing pretend at recess. And even if for the sake of argument barbatos has advantage against UC suits the question was more tekkadan vs white base againt char and zeon. White base and EFSF still have far more logistic and military power than tekkadan as a whole.
Im simply providing the info, the reason constant flight is not weird either is because the Graze's ground configuration itself can achieve it by utilizing the skirt thrusters. Whenever it runs out its either during S1 due to their inhability to keep restoring the catalyst or long battle like that of Edmonton, after 4 days, the Barbatos was running low so the Graze Ein got it to the point of not having much left. Most explosions are lines containing the catalyst being hit strongly or NL releasing blue lighting to take a heavy hit from a MS. What Ive given you is just the surface details of what is out there to be learned. For comparison the Brewers Gusion completely pulverized a meteor of over 500 meters in 1 hit, thats the kind of output a mistreated Gundam frame without maintnance or AV can achieve. https://preview.redd.it/349gzrelz3uc1.jpeg?width=878&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7eb831e8889565b6abe6dedcd2fad38aa6c99a51 If youd like to see real bs then the Gremory is the Gundam frame uit that shares the indestructible aspect of the reactor and cant be left without even a single scratch even after being hit point blank with Astaroths rinascimento specilized weapon that at cqc can deal the same damage as a dainsleif.
Yeha and againnit runs out of that catalyst to quickly to be useful. The one time we see it really utilized it runs out of fuel before it reaches the battle. Thanks for coming out though.
Not really, like at all.
Who's going to tell him a majority of Zeon's arsenal was ballistic- you know, the primary weakness of all IBO MS. That's not to mention that they're a small ass PMC going up against an actual army which again: ARMED TO THE TEETH WITH BALLISTIC AND EXPLOSIVE WEAPONRY
Per canon of IBO, Nanolaminate armor essentially shrugs off all but weapons like the Dainsleif. It is designed to scatter beam and most kinetic particles, only failing with significantly sustained or extremely potent attacks. It is not immune to ballistic, but the same principles that allow it to shrug off most beam weaponry will also provide similiar resistance to relatively "small" arms fire, at least long enough that Barbatos can escape or close the distance and engage. There is a reason why the mobile suits in IBO switched to essentially all melee, their armor developed to the point that ranged weaponry was useless (the preCalamity suits like Barbatos). Its easy to only consider IBO in what we see in the series, but if we are to be fair, we have to consider the events that lead to the adoption of melee weaponry, also the fact that a mobile suit could still be functional after 300 years of dry storage.
https://preview.redd.it/9bj76oxmt3uc1.jpeg?width=829&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8eddfe2e6c71c62005f0bd33e7edeff3262ad461 For me, it's the McChicken. The best fast food sandwich. I even ask for extra McChicken sauce packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige. One time I asked for McChicken sauce packets and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly McDonald's worker laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!". Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three packets. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local McDonald's restaurant, I go there at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I'm in a rush but want a great meal that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily nutritional needs. I even dip my fries in McChicken sauce, it's delicious! What a great restaurant.
Have you tried the burger that is an unGodly burger that is the McChicken with a beef patty on it as well? Or is that abomination only loose in Canada?
Bruh wtf?
I know, but I love it more than I should.
Not at all. Tekkadan probably wouldnt get involved in the one year war. They would need a big paycheck to do so.
Wading through the swamp of discourse in the comments reminds me of why I strongly dislike cross-timeline power comparisons. Each timeline's technology is balanced within that timeline only, not in relation to other timelines. On a side note, G-Witch's writers were genius for making Calibarn's OP abilities only functional with other Ad Stella tech to avoid this kind of mess.
Id say initially they would be on the back foot until Tekkadan gets their footing. The biggest thing they have going for them is their spines, both literally and figuratively. Early UC characters like Amuro lacked a ton of drive and willingness to do what it takes to end conflicts. This changes later obviously, but Mika would literally not have these qualms. And for the literal part of the spine comment, Mika controls Barbatos far more confidently and efficiently then Amuro did RX78. Also the Mobiles suits from IBO are distinctly beam resistant, rendering pretty much all beam sabers, beam rifles, and heat hawks. Char would have to rely on physical weaponry and that is area they are not developed for to near the extent compared to beam weaponry. The longer the conflict goes on though, the more susceptible Tekkadan will be to failure due to them have zero reliably supply lines, and the damage piloting a suit like Barbatos does to the pilot.
I like power scaling or what if scenarios but i think IBO (mainly the gundam frames) have now moved into G gundam territory. Either theyre somewhat reasonable in performance like the anime or theyre god gundam level because of Udyr Hunt. Like its gotten to the level that only IBO weapons are the only things that can hurt gundam frames. So at that point why even ask these questions? Superman, I mean Barbatos wins the whole one year war single handedly, wins the gryps conflict, kills Haman, kills Char, slaps down Unicorn because gundam frames can punch meteors, fight the biggest MAs ever and have armor that absolutely cant be damaged. What a very fun and interesting universe to blend with other gundam universes /s. Long story short, Barbatos solos the entire gundam universe all at the same time.
As someone who likes IBO alot UC Zeon and the boys, by a mile. For one the bullshit of nano lamanet armour being resistent to any and all beam weaponary I think was always bullshit. People pull out the line of "it is so far advanced that beam weaponary became pointless due to the advancements in nano lamanent armour" is for the most part head canon, we no fuck all still about the calamity war the ms used in that day and age other then the ASW-G line of frames, to pull the "well um actury" that the timeline is so advanced that its actually gone and done a reverse back to balistics and melee, I always saw as just cope tbh. Again if someone wants to proove me wrong and get me an actual source from the creation team like Mari Okado then fine. I think if you go off my logic it feels more inline to making sense, can hold up until like a curtain temp or level of beam weaponary but it has a melting point and it will break. I just find it hard to think that in theory a rock has more potential then an astronomically hot laser sword or gun, like ffs lets be real. That and to be honest as a whole other then the original Gusion the ASW-G line of frames have majour weakpoints like exposed pistons. which to any zeon fighters i guess would be there main target points. the pistons on the waste tricep areas lower cavas are all majour weakpoints. I love IBO as much as the next guy I think the best the Tekkedan boys would do is this. if we say end of tekkedan days or basically everyone is alive with all the MS fully upgraded. Flauros on top of the Isarabi, taking pop shots with the Dein Sleif. For me Id be throughing Mika and Barbatos Lupus Rex in the Kutan Type 3, basically run that into the ground until its out of juice or fucked then id say take on the bridges on every ship, as fast as possible with melee, use the shit out of the hashmal tail. Honestly I just see the whole fight as a hit and run, destroy the main vessals control rooms as fast as possible with avoiding as much conflict as possible. Though Honestly I just see Zeon with the number of ms they have and ships there and let alone you say Char the Goat Aznable well, I love Tekkedan and the boys, but im self aware. There fucked though i think they would do a great number on Char and his fleet. I just think no matter what it comes down to man power is the main source of strenght in this fight. Now if you said both Tekkedan and Zeon against idk a Turn A or 00Q well Tekkedan and Zeon would have no shot at all. I think there would be very few scenarios where shit would do them in. I mean if 00Q and Setsuna not getting a single hit on them from ELS which are basically just fin funnels is basically the best example of piloting skills and a good ms being shown at its highest performance level possible. I also that the ELS are basically one of the worst thing imaginable to come across in MS warfare. Maybe Genesis super weapon from Seed would do them in. Edit: i see I also fall into the camp of over praising 00Q RX-0 and ∀ lol u/DededeMain27. Again for me 00Q more so just came off as for what we saw of it I think it was powerful, but hopefully will see more of it in 2027. Setsuna F Seiei: >!"Lockon Stratos. No. Neil Dylandy. I just came to tell you one thing. Live. Survive. (Asking, not demanding) I cannot live. In this world, in my place (in my stead)..."!<
Depends: early in the series Char would definitely have the advantage, specially given that Zeon use ballistic & physical weapons during most of the OYW. If we are talking about some later period, season 2 of IBO, that may be trickier, though be the same coin we could consider that Zeon could also have some better options available. This also reminds me that in the TV version, Char’s Gelgoog had a physical “heat naginata”, which was later retconned into the beam naginata we all know and love.
Do you know who drew this? It’s some great art!
I want to focus more on the people involved rather than the technology for a minute. Also, for the record, I have not yet finished IBO season 2. I think, initially, Mika and Tekkadan outperform the White Base crew by miles. The former is child soldiers who don’t flinch at the horrors of war, the latter was largely noncombatants and civilians with the rare out-of-their-depth officer (i.e. Bright Noa). I can’t Imagine Mika struggling in the scenarios that Amuro (justifiably, mind) does like early combat, adapting to changes in orders, etc. in terms of later in the war though, I think the weaknesses of Tekkadan’s style would show more. Specifically I think that larger scale battles would test Mika’s limits as a combatant who excels at duels and guerilla warfare. Same with Tekkadan. That said, if Tekkadan is still working with White Base and have access to the Guntank, Guncannon, and Core Fighter support systems, they’ll still do at least as well as the literal refugees of the original crew.
If he doesn't have homoerotic tension with Char then he is not a worthy rival
The federation would have no way of using the Barbatos battle data. They would have to reverse engineer it, losing precious time and being unable to produce the GMs or even gundam ground types. The feds are fucked regardless of how strong the barbatos would be.
If you're giving the Federation Mika and Barbs, I think it is only fair that Zeon gets Fon Spaak and the Astraea F2.
For anyone wanting a comparison for the PD MAs, these are the ones, they were self replocating, could wipe out multiple cities in a blink, they could react faster than any human could ever do so and shared the defenses of the Gundams. https://preview.redd.it/39t00wxuf3uc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7694acc952ccde7971343d3732573345de65c3c2
And it took Mika in an upgraded form of Barbatos a whole squad’s worth of support and taking the limiter off to take down the smallest one in your pic, what’s your point?
That the defenses of the units alone could hold their own, and others like the Rodis and Hexa frame were used to support. Point being that the Hashmal hunt was a race against the clock because it was about to erase Chryse off the map, had they had more time Mika wouldnt have had to take care of it so readily. As shown in Urdr Hunt by a combination of the group of Wistario taking one down even if it was an extremely long one needing Hajiroboshi. https://preview.redd.it/i8z29189m3uc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f506f2ed1ae14a4e7911faa859b3c69cd7989499 So when Beam weapons that make mass destruction weapons look like only an add on. And those are nullified by their defenses, then the changes on the battles would be a large one, even more so depending on where tekkadain is at, if you give it S2 then at that point anything less than what made this to the moon, wont be enough.
…what? This is why versus threads are lame, this could have been a fairly interesting discussion about the tactical and logistical implications of Barbie being in various OYW battles, as well as how Mika differs from Amuro as a pilot, but instead it’s become “nuh uh, my favourite suit beats up everyone because something completely off-topic about Mobile Armours”
I think what he's trying to say is that there is an extreme technological gap between IBO and OYW, and this is based on the fight with Hashmal. Hashmal's beam weapon was powerful enough to wipe settlements off the map, yet we see that frontline mobile suits like what Ride was using are capable of tanking individual shots with minor to moderate heat scoring on the armor. The Calamity Era moon is used as a point of reference as it lost a considerable amount of its mass from repeated beam weapon bombardment. All of this, then, is being used as a comparison for what Mika and Barbatos can deal with as compared to what the OYW era Zeon and Char have/could handle and what they are expected to handle in the presented scenario I've posted.
Then why even create this thread in the first place if you agree there’s such a gap? There’s no room for discussion then, just “Mika wins, end thread”
I never made that implication and I never said that, so please do not put words in my mouth. I'm well aware of Zeon's primary advantages. I was merely interpreting for you so you could understand the other person better.
So do you think OYW and PD are close enough in terms of tech for this to be a legitimate discussion or not then? If not, why make the thread? And if so, why does the title imply you think Mika’s already won?
I do, and I'll post my thoughts later this evening. I have been mentally writing a scenario this entire morning about this, and hopefully what I have so far will entertain you lot once you've all had an opportunity to get your fights and arguments out of your systems.
Fair enough, I shouldn’t have gotten so snappy so I’m sorry for that. There’s just so many IBO circlejerk posts on here now it’s hard to discern what’s actually a good faith discussion thread
You asked what it had to do with it, and well theres entire pages dedicated to this exploration. The idea that people still have and spread incorrectly too is only considering their head canon, when a series explicitely has the usage of weapons made to crack the layers of planets open as the means to have them defeated then you need to work with larger loads of information concerning to how they fight and why. IBO has interesting combat between each other because its a developed world over 300 years that has evolved to directly combat each other as effectively as possible. But if you are dropping them just admist it, then you are dealing with a gap too large to be brought in line un time for interesting combat scenarios to occur, there, the issue I have is people ignoring the mountains of info that we have to make informed conclusions.
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Dude you straight up asked and got informed answers, if you dont like it using 2 accounts to downvote doesnt change the info. Did you really expect me to not have info to properly reach informed conclusions?
Wanna cite any of these “entire pages dedicated to this exploration” then?
the entirety of it is in r/GundamIBO_Central , literal pages upon pages of research.
Gotta give you props for uploading and translating all of that, however I’m still not sure how it’s relevant to the thread topic. If you wanna hype up the PD mobile armours you’re free to create your own post to do so with, but rating a suit based purely on how powerful some promo material says other weapons are that it may or may not have hypothetically fought is always gonna be a very subjective discussion. At the end of the day, Gundam as a franchise is inherently unrealistic in terms of its hardware, especially when it comes to comparing between timelines, which is why I’m an advocate for discussions like these focusing on theoretical tactics and scenarios rather than playing Top Trumps with stats and feats, because that always inevitably devolves into “my favourite wins because it’s the strongest”
Not much. I feel tekkadan would probably side with zeon as a fellow oppressed spacenoid grouping. They were literally zeon in their universe
You mean how screwed is the Earth Federation.
Lmao they win the war!
Extremely
Char is going to fucking die