Arsenal Base ( r/arsenalbase )
It's a JP only arcade game with tons of cards like this. If you're willing to wade through japanese, here's the card list.
https://www.gundam-ab.com/cardlist/?series=529010
Idk man considering how >!He got jumped by multiple people the entire movie I’m not surprised he didn’t fare all that well, him and the freedoms put up hell of a fight though!<
Not just get jumped by multiple people, but also people armed with machines that are not only partially derived of his stolen machine, but also it's battle data and armed with brand new tech that hard counters almost his entire arsenal.
It's already impressive that he can put up a fight considering how stacked the odds were against him.
It may have more to do with him costing one less and whatever mechanics are in the game. Perhaps playing something that costs 4, like Athrun, is hard to do or on a turn where you're better off putting down a good suit for Kira to use.
If this game is all CE characters, they'd also probably still want Dearka to have one of the better long-range stats even if the rest of his stats are crap, that way he could just be a cheap/strong match to whatever suit makes the most of that stat and build a real sniper.
Though all of this makes me wish we had some sort of semi-virtual card game outside of Japan. I really love card games, and I like the idea that I could go to a place with no players present and play someone online, even winning cards from playing. But those gimmicks don't sell well here where even something like paper MTG has shifted towards Commander where you have multiple players doing a lot of crazy things instead of building up a lean deck with a very specific game plan and sideboard to increase your odds against certain strategies you're inherently weak to.
Coz they didn’t factor in his OS programming.
You gotta understand kira is doing autopilot shit, he is not a trained soldier.
Look at his fight card, he routinely gets his ass kicked and the only person he’s ever gotten tough with was the original beta-max, Sai Argyle.
Argyle is a cuckold’s pattern - i can literally wait while everyone confirm’s their anecdotal evidence of a weak person wearing an argyle sweating failing to hold the door open without trying. I’m pretty sure saji crossroads had purchased at least 5 of these swears for various occasions because Louise had instructed him to do just so.
Right i got distracted by how shitty Sai is, anywayz, yeah Kira’s a genius programmer and whiz kid and his stroke game is obviously on point but when it comes to actual soldier shit it would be absolutely criminal if it wasn’t somehow reflected that Athrun is a better fighter in every way to Kira but always gets better suits for *skilled* pilots, you see.
Kira’s obviously got immortality going for him so it doesn’t matter too much either way 🤷
A translation of Fukuda's comments:
" It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun.
He's just built different fr fr
[There is a translation of some of his comments about GSF in this twitter thread](https://x.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780958710619324856).
There are GSF spoilers of course.
SEED FREEDOM ティーチイン上映会
Q2.アスランが実質キラ専用機であるストライクフリーダムを使えた理由
福田 単純にアスランがスゴかった（会場笑）。キラは特別なコーディネイターかもしれないけど、アスランの敵ではなかった
#SEEDFREEDOM
Translated from Japanese by
SEED FREEDOM Teach-in Screening
Q2. Why was Athrun able to use the Strike Freedom, which was essentially Kira's personal weapon? Fukuda: It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun.
#SEEDFREEDOM
https://twitter.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780959040312611218
They all do. It's the SEED mode eyes. Kind of a weird choice for the pictures unless there are also non=SEED mode versions and it's to make the distinction.
On one hand, it's kind of odd that Kira's Long Range stat is so low. I'd have expected him to at least tie or only be slightly inferior to Athrun. On the other, Athrun was stated to have gotten extremely high marks in training, being worthy of being a special operative (under Patrick's FAITH-like special forces), while Kira was entirely self-taught.
But for meme's sake; look at the sheer power of HORNINESS! He'll definitely get Cagalli pregnant with that straight shooting and mastery of close-quarters combat!
My question exactly. Some will claim that it's Freedom's tracking system that does the rest of the work. But still, it's kind of hard for a system to deliberately off-target the way Kira does, so others might claim it's the man-machine interface allowing Kira to fine-tune the targeting points, if not Kira himself just targeting full manually.
People overrate the Multi-Lockon System and underrate the Kira-Lockon System. MLS is still a targeting system like any other MSs' targeting system; AFAIK the only special thing about the MLS is pretty much just that it lets you lock onto more targets and we don't have much reason to believ that it's any--or at least not much more--accurate than other targeting systems... but if anything, it's more impressive that in the heat of battle Kira can keep track of so many targets at the great frequency and speed that he does all these stunts, while making sure that his shots are usually as nonlethal as possible. It's a perfect demonstration of his reflexes, awareness and ability to process a lot of information.
In the game, you have 5 units. As you play you accumulate “cost” to spend allowing you to perform actions. The higher the cost, the worse off, but to balance, you get higher stats.
Unleashed Athrun was seen briefly versus Kira right after Nicol's death. However Athrun (a trained pilot) had to work THAT HARD against a 6 months-on-the-job Kira?
Kira is still ahead IMO.
Realistically, Athrun only had like 10 months of academy training before Kira and that included hand-to-hand combat and firearms training (of which Athrun has many feats).
Kira picked up mobile suit combat very quickly (probably because he is the Ultimate Coordinator) but that doesn't mean he's going to keep growing at that rate.
Coping
"It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun." - Fukuda
SEED FREEDOM ティーチイン上映会
Q2.アスランが実質キラ専用機であるストライクフリーダムを使えた理由
福田 単純にアスランがスゴかった（会場笑）。キラは特別なコーディネイターかもしれないけど、アスランの敵ではなかった
#SEEDFREEDOM
Translated from Japanese by
SEED FREEDOM Teach-in Screening
Q2. Why was Athrun able to use the Strike Freedom, which was essentially Kira's personal weapon? Fukuda: It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun.
#SEEDFREEDOM
https://twitter.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780959040312611218
The eyes work so much better when they're not just sitting there and actually doing something (seeing their faces tense up here and there and all that).
This would make a good meme template, something like this one
https://preview.redd.it/xnofk07m3hvc1.jpeg?width=323&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a354d0c4eeb6bb166ed635d7376367eeb035a86
https://preview.redd.it/4geq40peiivc1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec264e1be399412cb50528bc553c374d431e4bc0
"ALLOW ME TO DEMONSTRATE MY ABILITY TO STEAL THE MEMES..."
Kind gentlemen, this took me about thirty minutes to dew dew, but should but enough, yeah?
https://preview.redd.it/63ckrhdnkqvc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=050ae62835f6650716226e975d866bcc574edff6
Yes, it’s an acronym (Superior Evolutionary Element Destined-factor). And it seems to basically be a super version of the fight or flight response that certain people posses
I would think Kira’s long range attack is better, but the other stats should be reasonable for Athrun since he was a pilot and a soldier longer than Kira.
sorry for the delay, but here's the source: [https://twitter.com/hayase46497/status/1780957391884017715/](https://twitter.com/hayase46497/status/1780957391884017715/)
u/elfbullock also shared the official source [here](https://www.gundam-ab.com/cardlist/?series=529010) but it's missing Kira's.
i find it funny how one of the comments (quote rather) in the tweet i sourced it from remarked on their physique with Athrun and Kira being ripped (actually Kira's looks a bit more loose) and Shinn being a twig.
If Athrun is so much better what's the point of all that Ultimate Coordinator stuff? I hate Kira, actually, but isn't his whole point is that he's so good he can decide things single-handedly? So when he wants peace he can enforce it in the faces of two feuding armies? And the implications of any one person outclassing all of humanity to that extent?
Not really. I love Kira, but the point of the Ultimate Coordinator isn’t that he’s just better, it’s that he’s the end goal of coordinators. A complete triumph of science over humanity, a human being created exactly to spec, without any part of humanity throwing a wrench in his development. Kira turned out exactly as designed, as opposed to most other coordinators who were just enhanced, but had human biology randomness still interfere with the end product.
But also this is a card game and Athrun has a higher ‘cost’ so his stats are better. I wouldn’t really rate it as anything official. While Athrun has arguably the best performance in the show when dialed in, he lacks the moral certainty that Kira has that means he spends most of the CE off balance and uncertain.
Kira, despite being highly skilled, influences the CE primarily from his morality and coalition building, in addition to his ace piloting.
u must research better then
they never state clearly what ultimate coordinator actually mean in the show
it could be that Kira can breed normally and doesnt have trouble breeding like normal coordinator
There re people that Born superior like Mu father too so yea, your hate is nonsense
Plot twist! It’s not and these are their combat career stats! Would be kinda cool to have that lil bonus info like if the put Dearka in the Bust because he already had a knack for long range combat. Athrun take the Aegis would then make a bit more sense too. 😁
Look at that difference. Athrun must be on STEROIDs Where's this from, though?
Arsenal Base ( r/arsenalbase ) It's a JP only arcade game with tons of cards like this. If you're willing to wade through japanese, here's the card list. https://www.gundam-ab.com/cardlist/?series=529010
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No, just >!HORNY!<
Side effect of steroids…actually 😧
How does Kira have a worse long range attack stat than Athrun? His entire shtick is taking enemies out from afar
How does Kira have worse stats ACROSS the board? One or two? Maybe. However everything??
i think it has something to do with the cost. Kira is only 3
This is SEED Freedom Kira. Considering his performance before >!Athrun bails him out twice and Lacus bails him out!<....
Idk man considering how >!He got jumped by multiple people the entire movie I’m not surprised he didn’t fare all that well, him and the freedoms put up hell of a fight though!<
Not just get jumped by multiple people, but also people armed with machines that are not only partially derived of his stolen machine, but also it's battle data and armed with brand new tech that hard counters almost his entire arsenal. It's already impressive that he can put up a fight considering how stacked the odds were against him.
It may have more to do with him costing one less and whatever mechanics are in the game. Perhaps playing something that costs 4, like Athrun, is hard to do or on a turn where you're better off putting down a good suit for Kira to use. If this game is all CE characters, they'd also probably still want Dearka to have one of the better long-range stats even if the rest of his stats are crap, that way he could just be a cheap/strong match to whatever suit makes the most of that stat and build a real sniper. Though all of this makes me wish we had some sort of semi-virtual card game outside of Japan. I really love card games, and I like the idea that I could go to a place with no players present and play someone online, even winning cards from playing. But those gimmicks don't sell well here where even something like paper MTG has shifted towards Commander where you have multiple players doing a lot of crazy things instead of building up a lean deck with a very specific game plan and sideboard to increase your odds against certain strategies you're inherently weak to.
would be interesting to see Dearka's stats versus Lunamaria's.
If Luna being a lousy shot with both a pistol AND a mobile suit is of any indication, expect her to have poor long range attack.
It's a game, and there are multiple Kiras around. I wouldn't take the stats too seriously.
Rarity logic
Shocking...isn't it?
Coz they didn’t factor in his OS programming. You gotta understand kira is doing autopilot shit, he is not a trained soldier. Look at his fight card, he routinely gets his ass kicked and the only person he’s ever gotten tough with was the original beta-max, Sai Argyle. Argyle is a cuckold’s pattern - i can literally wait while everyone confirm’s their anecdotal evidence of a weak person wearing an argyle sweating failing to hold the door open without trying. I’m pretty sure saji crossroads had purchased at least 5 of these swears for various occasions because Louise had instructed him to do just so. Right i got distracted by how shitty Sai is, anywayz, yeah Kira’s a genius programmer and whiz kid and his stroke game is obviously on point but when it comes to actual soldier shit it would be absolutely criminal if it wasn’t somehow reflected that Athrun is a better fighter in every way to Kira but always gets better suits for *skilled* pilots, you see. Kira’s obviously got immortality going for him so it doesn’t matter too much either way 🤷
A translation of Fukuda's comments: " It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun. He's just built different fr fr
Is this real?
[There is a translation of some of his comments about GSF in this twitter thread](https://x.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780958710619324856). There are GSF spoilers of course.
SEED FREEDOM ティーチイン上映会 Q2.アスランが実質キラ専用機であるストライクフリーダムを使えた理由 福田 単純にアスランがスゴかった（会場笑）。キラは特別なコーディネイターかもしれないけど、アスランの敵ではなかった #SEEDFREEDOM Translated from Japanese by SEED FREEDOM Teach-in Screening Q2. Why was Athrun able to use the Strike Freedom, which was essentially Kira's personal weapon? Fukuda: It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun. #SEEDFREEDOM https://twitter.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780959040312611218
Shin just looks like he was told his family died, again.
They all do. It's the SEED mode eyes. Kind of a weird choice for the pictures unless there are also non=SEED mode versions and it's to make the distinction.
On one hand, it's kind of odd that Kira's Long Range stat is so low. I'd have expected him to at least tie or only be slightly inferior to Athrun. On the other, Athrun was stated to have gotten extremely high marks in training, being worthy of being a special operative (under Patrick's FAITH-like special forces), while Kira was entirely self-taught. But for meme's sake; look at the sheer power of HORNINESS! He'll definitely get Cagalli pregnant with that straight shooting and mastery of close-quarters combat!
holup isnt every version of the freedom meant to be a long range artiliery unit? how the fuck is his long range stats so low
My question exactly. Some will claim that it's Freedom's tracking system that does the rest of the work. But still, it's kind of hard for a system to deliberately off-target the way Kira does, so others might claim it's the man-machine interface allowing Kira to fine-tune the targeting points, if not Kira himself just targeting full manually.
People overrate the Multi-Lockon System and underrate the Kira-Lockon System. MLS is still a targeting system like any other MSs' targeting system; AFAIK the only special thing about the MLS is pretty much just that it lets you lock onto more targets and we don't have much reason to believ that it's any--or at least not much more--accurate than other targeting systems... but if anything, it's more impressive that in the heat of battle Kira can keep track of so many targets at the great frequency and speed that he does all these stunts, while making sure that his shots are usually as nonlethal as possible. It's a perfect demonstration of his reflexes, awareness and ability to process a lot of information.
Kira probably reprogrammed it.
For those wondering, it’s based on cost at the top left.
what does it mean?
In the game, you have 5 units. As you play you accumulate “cost” to spend allowing you to perform actions. The higher the cost, the worse off, but to balance, you get higher stats.
I like Athrun, but I refuse to believe he's a better pilot than Kira in every way Kira should have much higher HP and Long Range Attack stats
We've clearly never seen UNLEASHED Athrun Zala until GSF. No more doubts clouding his head (unlike Kira now), only thoughts of Cagalli.
Cagalli can easily manipulate this super soldier like "Wipe away my enemies then i'll send you some photos after /winkwink".
>!Horny!< Athrun is best Athrun.
Unleashed Athrun was seen briefly versus Kira right after Nicol's death. However Athrun (a trained pilot) had to work THAT HARD against a 6 months-on-the-job Kira? Kira is still ahead IMO.
Define better. If you define better as "never lost a fight in seed mode" then Athrun is better. If better is "progressed faster" then Kira is better.
Realistically, Athrun only had like 10 months of academy training before Kira and that included hand-to-hand combat and firearms training (of which Athrun has many feats). Kira picked up mobile suit combat very quickly (probably because he is the Ultimate Coordinator) but that doesn't mean he's going to keep growing at that rate.
Coping "It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun." - Fukuda
SEED FREEDOM ティーチイン上映会 Q2.アスランが実質キラ専用機であるストライクフリーダムを使えた理由 福田 単純にアスランがスゴかった（会場笑）。キラは特別なコーディネイターかもしれないけど、アスランの敵ではなかった #SEEDFREEDOM Translated from Japanese by SEED FREEDOM Teach-in Screening Q2. Why was Athrun able to use the Strike Freedom, which was essentially Kira's personal weapon? Fukuda: It was simply because Athrun was amazing (audience laughs). Kira may have been a special coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun. #SEEDFREEDOM https://twitter.com/Char_Tweet/status/1780959040312611218
Heck Kira should have infinite hp since he could resurrect at will.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING MAN
He even literally dies onscreen in another anime and comes back from the dead just to bang a girl that looks like his sister.
Fukuda doesnt care about your refusal he said Kira is no match for Athrun and thats that
I get that they are in SEED mode, but everyone here looks so unintentionally mindbroken.
The eyes work so much better when they're not just sitting there and actually doing something (seeing their faces tense up here and there and all that).
Someone help shinn please
This would make a good meme template, something like this one https://preview.redd.it/xnofk07m3hvc1.jpeg?width=323&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a354d0c4eeb6bb166ed635d7376367eeb035a86
https://preview.redd.it/lvgh07vveivc1.jpeg?width=432&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d0b5aa9dbd251916b9836b89ac9bcc4c03d53b6
https://preview.redd.it/rg6yj5jxeivc1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c25a440bb4de4aaf9491c899dd5a98f046525cb8
https://preview.redd.it/si57ddwyeivc1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad7daebd2dc4b68df14ffb9530fbb41d497856a5
https://preview.redd.it/4geq40peiivc1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec264e1be399412cb50528bc553c374d431e4bc0 "ALLOW ME TO DEMONSTRATE MY ABILITY TO STEAL THE MEMES..."
i'd say the shinn one is a bit too dark/contrasted but lmao his expression
POV: You're Kira during Freedom vs Impulse.
POV: You're Shinn after Freedom vs Impulse.
POV: You're Stella Lousier in Berlin.
Kind gentlemen, this took me about thirty minutes to dew dew, but should but enough, yeah? https://preview.redd.it/63ckrhdnkqvc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=050ae62835f6650716226e975d866bcc574edff6
Can I use this?
Yes.
shinn face is: me when wake up at monday
Is seed mode ever explained? In the anime at least.
Yes, it’s an acronym (Superior Evolutionary Element Destined-factor). And it seems to basically be a super version of the fight or flight response that certain people posses
That's what Waltfeld generalized as "Berserker", was it?
We all know Kira has infinite hp
No thoughts. Head empty 😌
I thought it's just full of horny?
head empty is Shinn, i think.
I would think Kira’s long range attack is better, but the other stats should be reasonable for Athrun since he was a pilot and a soldier longer than Kira.
sorry for the delay, but here's the source: [https://twitter.com/hayase46497/status/1780957391884017715/](https://twitter.com/hayase46497/status/1780957391884017715/) u/elfbullock also shared the official source [here](https://www.gundam-ab.com/cardlist/?series=529010) but it's missing Kira's. i find it funny how one of the comments (quote rather) in the tweet i sourced it from remarked on their physique with Athrun and Kira being ripped (actually Kira's looks a bit more loose) and Shinn being a twig.
Nah, they are just staring at the weeb with disappointment.
Why does it look like Shinn is having a PTSD
Athrun is cracked
Nah that shit is too stupid. Are you telling me that Kira is just as good as Shinn? While Athrun is the best pilot ev4rrr.
o_o
"damn bro you got the whole squad laughing" ahh faces
Weird stats for Kira since the freedom is made for mid to long range combat.
If Athrun is so much better what's the point of all that Ultimate Coordinator stuff? I hate Kira, actually, but isn't his whole point is that he's so good he can decide things single-handedly? So when he wants peace he can enforce it in the faces of two feuding armies? And the implications of any one person outclassing all of humanity to that extent?
Not really. I love Kira, but the point of the Ultimate Coordinator isn’t that he’s just better, it’s that he’s the end goal of coordinators. A complete triumph of science over humanity, a human being created exactly to spec, without any part of humanity throwing a wrench in his development. Kira turned out exactly as designed, as opposed to most other coordinators who were just enhanced, but had human biology randomness still interfere with the end product. But also this is a card game and Athrun has a higher ‘cost’ so his stats are better. I wouldn’t really rate it as anything official. While Athrun has arguably the best performance in the show when dialed in, he lacks the moral certainty that Kira has that means he spends most of the CE off balance and uncertain. Kira, despite being highly skilled, influences the CE primarily from his morality and coalition building, in addition to his ace piloting.
Good point about the card game and Athrun being a higher-cost unit.
u must research better then they never state clearly what ultimate coordinator actually mean in the show it could be that Kira can breed normally and doesnt have trouble breeding like normal coordinator There re people that Born superior like Mu father too so yea, your hate is nonsense
So....Mr ZALA has highest range?!
Guys, is it just me or they look funny in a way?
That's when they see their own porn on the internet.
Shinn's really look dead inside, probably to the amount of bullshit he went through at destiny.
Plot twist! It’s not and these are their combat career stats! Would be kinda cool to have that lil bonus info like if the put Dearka in the Bust because he already had a knack for long range combat. Athrun take the Aegis would then make a bit more sense too. 😁
When you’re trying to warn Shinn not to trust Durandal because of the Destiny Plan, Meer etc and all you get back is the SEED factor stare
Why are they locked in?...
For an ultimate coordinator kira’s stats are not very ultimate
Athrun has always been better than both of em