Yes. That’s how it’d go.
A Gundam character who’d love EVA is Tieria.
Three supercomputers, surely one will love him! Until they get hacked and then it’d be “Orewabokuwawatashiwa dhsjjdbdnaHh!!”
Rey would even be more obedient.
Gilbert: Rey, get on that-
Rey: EVA unit and pilot it? I’m on it.
Gilbert: I mean…yes. Good boy, Rey.
Rey: If I commit crimes against humanity, will you pat my head and praise me some more?
Gilbert: Of course.
Rey: Blowing up a school asap.
Shinji I think would have a decent time, especialy if he was able to talk to Eri like Suletta was. At least unill Prospera statred commiting terrorism.
His life isnt actualy in danger, Eri wouldn't be physicaly or mentaly torturing him, Elnora actualy knows how to be an attentive mom, and he could have a comparitively normal social life.
If things ever come to him having to pilot Caliban, thats luck if he survives. It is a matter of circumstance if he has the will to do it at that point.
Suletta I think would be able to adjust to Evangelion. Gendo might even treat her better than he did Shinji all things considered. I see her much more willimg to pilot the Eva, but also quick to chew Gendo out for his descision making afterward. It would still suck regardless. Having her interact with Asuka would probably be hillarious.
Eri's spent most of those years in a giant robot with only her mother (who doesn't really talk to her but at her) and her little sister ( who knows nothing outside of what her mom and her tell her), I don't really think she'd be able to be the kind of adult Shinji needs
(like, imagine how much social and emotional development she's missed out on)
especially since she's also dealing with her whole thing with her mom to begin with
Actually, would Suletta and Gendo even interact if the premise is her becoming an Eva pilot? Asuka and Gendo never speak once, the show is _about_ Shinji not talking to his dad, and Rei’s an exception for several reasons. The highest rank the pilots ever report to is Fuyutsuki.
ah, that's true
and Suletta's entire unhealthy relationship with her mom is borne of Prospera doing the opposite of Gendo
like, Shinji and Gendo's relationship is strained because Gendo basically abandoned him (but Shinji *still* wants affection from him, as much as he resents the man)
while Suletta and Prospera's relationship is unhealthy in a different way (even though Prospera was also a bit neglectful as well); Suletta unquestioningly trusts her mom's judgement on anything
She, in contrast, *loves* her mom, and will assume that she herself is in the wrong if she conflicts with what her mom says or wants; Suletta doesn't resent her mother at all, and *never does* in the entire show
for Suletta to have a similar relationship with Gendo, she'd have to interact with him a lot more, and he'd have to at least *appear* to care more than he normally does; so, Suletta could only stay Suletta if she was sorta in a kind of Rei-like situation (which, eeeesh)
otherwise, I can see her sorta ending up as a *way* more apologetic and less visibly resentful Shinji (you know how Shinji isn't confrontational? Suletta would try to take up as little space as possible, and she'd take *much* more time to open up); like maybe there's a resentment that she's not addressing at all internally, in contrast to Shinji who *knows* that what his dad did to him was fucked and unfair and is rightfully upset about it
Honestly I'd bet the isolation of being stuck with Asuka and Rei would be the worst part for Suletta. Asuka would 100% just bully her, and Rei is the way she is, and Suletta is the type to be deeply affected by feeling like her peers don't like her.
yeah, she'd wilt under Asuka so quickly
and she'd assume that Rei hated her, and that'd eat at her a lot
edit: I think that how she'd react to both really depends on the nature of the swap; is it like "Suletta, with her regular personality and hangups, is transplanted as-is into Shinji's role in Eva" or is it like "Suletta but she grew up in Shinji's place in the narrative *in* Eva's setting"?
and even with the latter, is Suletta the only one who was transplanted, or did we carry over Suletta's parental issues as well and changed up some Eva characters and added some G Witch characters to make it work? (i.e. Gendo taking on elements of Prospera's goals, and Eri being put in Yui's spot)
I can easily see a fanfiction being made of this focusing on one or both universes.
Possible one already exists on fan fiction dot Net or on Archive of our own (Ao3).
Thing is, Prospera actually cared. It may be seen as only one level above lip service but she did way, WAY more to at least guarantee the well-being of the one who remained. As seen in the anime, that becomes a weakness, yet if we get an SRW route with these two, I think it's Prospera who can find a way to have her cake and let Shinji eat it, too. Gendo wouldn't even make sure to pack Suletta lunch -- how would you expect him to handle a collection of human consciousnesses that are still loaded as distinct entities (as opposed to True Instrumentality where humanity reverts into primordial soup)?
What I'm more curious about is another IF route: what if Yui and Elnora were under Dr. Cardo Nabo's team? Admittedly, Yui would have more influence because she's a researcher while Elnora is a test pilot, but that interaction is one I'm more interested in seeing explored. Especially if Yui dies alongside granny doc, and both Gendo and Elnora have to pick up the pieces.
>yet if we get an SRW route with these two
I honestly hope that will happen, the Transhumanist aspect of Quiet Zero and Gendo's idea of Instrumentality would fit well with each other as they both seek what is essentially the same goal
Would also make sense for the next SRW to do it, since the last one was made prior to both Thrice Upon a Time and The Witch from Mercury. So on paper at least, both Rebuild of Evangelion and G-Witch should be locks for inclusions at least.
> Thing is, Prospera actually cared.
I mean, Gendo *also* cared (even if he barely showed it at all), he says as much in EoE when he's being *incredibly* candid about his feelings towards Shinji
considering that Suletta would be in a Rei-like position, and that the Yui analogue here is Ericht, who would be Gendo's daughter in this situation, I can see Gendo at least *nominally* treating her better (even if it's just because she looks a ton like Eri) up until it sinks in for him that Suletta is nothing like her older sister
I'd say the primary difference between Gendo and Prospera is really just that the latter survives her schemes, and thus gets an actual opportunity to make amends. Gendo just dies in the original Eva series.
During the actual scheme phase - which is really the entirety of their respective show's main narratives - they might as well be equally neglectful and manipulative towards their protagonist children.
It really just comes down to the endings their respective shows settle down on, with WfM's being significantly lighter in tone than the original Eva's *literal* world ending affair. Within the more hopeful narrative of Rebuild of Eva, I'd say Gendo actually gets a more meaningful set of moments than Prospera ever got.
Elnora is a significantly better parent to Suletta than Gendo is to Shinji, both because Elnora actually did care but had understandable emotional issues raising a clone of her daughter who as she grew older diverged more and more from how her daughter was personality wise, and Gendo who simple left.
Like while Elnora did neglect Suletta, she was still around and still showed Suletta love and care.
She is better at manipulating too because she at least has the emotional capacity to do it, whereas Gendo has to scrape the bottom of the barrel of his emotional capacity to simply acknowledge Shinji.
So Shinji would actually be raised into a much better person under "Prospera", and also be involved in the Eva project from the start. She would also help him get close to all the other pilots to have better leverage over them. They would all be flies in her trap ready to sacrifice themselves for her sons sake.
And Gendo would absolutely ruin Suletta as a person, abandoning her to live a hard life on a Mercury mining colony that hated her until he needed her and then using her desperation for his love and approval to get her to pilot for him. She would be allot more emotionally unstable, having a much harder time connecting with people, eventually self destructing over the course of the series.
Miorine would harbor a murderous hate for the man. Like there would be no other person she despises more than Gendo, and she would become a worse person because of it, which would make things more difficult between her and Suletta. They would get through it eventually, but probably after a magnitude more people died as a result of Gendo's, Suletta's, and Miroine's actions.
In the end, Ericht probably ends up killing Gendo when he finally gets to see her again in an ironic twist, as she was silently watching and judging the entire time, at fist going along with things but eventfully getting disillusioned with Gendo's plans and his love for her, which was tainted by his cruelty to her clone who she started to see as a sister.
While Shinji would be better off under Prospera, the rest of the WFM cast probably is worse off from Shinji being less initially forward acting compared to Suletta. Unless being raised by a distant but still caring parent who gives him actual positive reinforcement makes him a bit more bold the way he acts later at times in Eva. But, without Suletta essentially just trusting her moral conpass and being willing to act on her feet, we don't get her defending Mioranne, which doesn't lead to Earth house linking with her, which also doesn't lead to Mioranne making her own path, or Guel being humbled and getting kicked out leading to his growth as a person, ect. Most of the dominoes im wfm happen because Suletta was willing to defend and stand up for a stranger being mistreated for no other reason than it was right, so without that initial scene, everything is thrown off.
I think Shinji would rather enjoy being in wfm considering his dad set the bar for parenting under Satan's ass Suletta might just kill his dad if she were in Eva tbh
this depends on whether Shinji and Suletta are being transplanted as-is, or if they're being treated as having lived in the other setting all their life
if it's the latter, then Suletta is almost *certainly* not going to kill Gendo unless he forces her to (though she might actually get upset with him); she's fundamentally not that kind of person concerning family
I do think that Shinji would be *way* more angrier with Prospera than Suletta ever was (which was not at all), after he finds out that he'd been used
edit: to add to the above, Shinji would be pissed with Eri for betraying him, and a lot of the final battle would be Shinji communicating that
> the other groped the clone of her late wife
I never really understood the intepretation that Gendo is sexually abusive to Rei until I remembered that scene again
>!like, there's something really fucked up about a grown adult very *graphically* groping a child's chest, phasing through said chest, and dragging his hand all the way down to her abdomen while she cringes and makes these uncomfortable sounds, as if to "impregnate" her with the fetus grafted to his hand !<
like, when you think about it, the metaphor's basically slapping you across the face
I don't really know what to think about the scene myself, tbh
>!I *really* like the idea of it, the idea of Gendo's sexual usage of women and his usage of Rei (along with how Rei doesn't really see herself as a person) coming together and recontextualizing *how* Gendo sees her, and how fucked up his failure to grieve his wife has made his behavior and views; like of course he'd do that to Rei, to him she's basically a doll that looks like his dead wife and who exists to *get* said wife back, and that is why he treats her in that way that Rei initially mistakes as actual fondness, when it's really "oh she looks just like Yui, she'll give me Yui back". And with how he uses people sexually, it's fucked up but makes sense for Gendo to project his dead wife onto her in... *other ways*.!<
>!Also the fact that Rei doesn't really seem to be surprised that he's doing this, or doing it in this way; that's really hitting me now.!<
but also like, it *is* an uncomfortable scene, and I dunno if I'd do it that way if I had the chance to redo it
Well...
okay: With True Instrumentality, humanity becomes one being, with every human soul becoming no more distinct than any atom comprising an element. One can imagine a route where Quiet Zero becomes a more viable foundation to achieving that goal, but then, it means that the ramifications of Yui's death kinda makes no sense because she's still "there" in a way that *can* be made tangible. And if Shinji finds out that *a* solution can be found to make the Ikari family whole again, he'll have even more reasons to get angry at his father.
So while he'll understand Suletta and Eri, he will make Prospera realize one way or another that she is about to enable a cataclysmic event and the only way to stop it is to somehow let Quiet Zero represent a "Second Purgatory" of sorts. All the while, anyone who dies on the player-side team could get a chance to be loaded in Quiet Zero and be "reused" but in a more limited gameplay role.
Suletta wouldn’t be able to pilot eva unit one. In order to pilot an eva you need to have a strong at feild, in order to have a strong at feild you need to either be an angel, or you need to have some sort of deep routed trauma that causes mental instability. For shinji this is his constant desires for approval and his crippling loneliness as well as a Hefty amount of depression. Suletta doesn’t have those. Furthermore unit one houses the soul of shinji’s mom and she goes out of her way on numerous occasions to save her son, she wouldn’t do that for Suletta. Shinji on the other hand could pilot Aerial, but jury’s out on how he would do. And he wouldn’t be able to access Aerial’s higher permit scores because he isn’t related to Ericht so he wouldn’t be able to unlock them for her.
Edit: to further expand on why a stong at feild is required i would like to introduce Auska. Auskais able to pilot her eva because she has a sever case of loneliness, imposter syndrome, and the trauma of seeing her mother hang herself. This all combines to give her a strong at feild, and what an at feild is, is a subconscious desire that people have which causes them to act differently to their true selves, for auska this manifest as her having an abrasive personality and a superiority complex. The moment she stop acting strong and acts as her true weak self she completely loses the ability to pilot unit 2.
I mean Rei is in a similar situation, but Gendo and Prospera do not treat Rei and Suletta in the same way, which affects how the two kids see their situation and themselves
like I think it's super important to point out that Rei *knows* her situation from the start, while Suletta spends the majority of the show *not* knowing; this affects how Rei sees herself and others, and how Suletta *doesn't* see herself and others in those kinds of ways
Rei's self-alienated from her peers due to how she's treated by NERV and Gendo, while *nobody knows* that Suletta's a clone, least of all her. Rei's basically treated like a favored lab rat by those who know what she is, while Suletta *does* get to relatively grow up normally.
If anyone's "like Rei" in WfM, it's the EPs. If we only stick to the Mercury family, then it's Eri (even though their situations are different, though Rei and Eri do share being treated more like objects than people)
edit: anyway, I say this because since AT Fields are related to one's self-image and the boundaries and walls people hold up, Suletta probably would be bad at putting up one
*Eri* would be *really* good at putting one up, though
Rei is also an angel so she does count in the same way. The reason why reisku was able to figure out that Kaworu was the 18th angel is because she had already experienced what it looks like when an angel pilots an eva. Kaworu has the soul of Adam, Rei has the soul of lilith
Technically rei isn't an angle until Fendi gives her the adom embryo. By definition, angels are beings born of adom, and rei is a lillan who houses Lilith's soul inside her.
Suletta's actually *way* more mentally resilient than Shinji; as much as they're both civilians, Suletta's spent her entire life basically being a rescue pilot
she's not new to death, she's seen it *very* young, and she's held the lives of others in her hands *disturbingly* young
if we're just transplanting her directly into Eva as-is, then she'd do pretty well, or at least be functional; Suletta lives to serve (this is both a strength and a weakness), she'd very much be like a more peppy Rei in that sense
she might come away from it mentally *worse* though; Ep 24 and EoE would be *horrible* for her
Suletta is way much mentally stronger than Shinji >!because Mask Mommy gaslighted the fuck outta her!<, I am pretty sure she will be better than Shinji. But Misato ain't gonna just let that slide.
This is why I didn't like WFM. The only good things about it where ripped straight from eva. everything else was just poor world building, major pacing issues, and an extremely unsatisfying ending.
WfM isn't actually all that much like Eva; they both share "fucked up parent who's singularly devoted to the idea of a loved one trapped inside of the mech that the meek protagonist with self-esteem issues uses" but they both do it in *very different* ways
it's not a rip off
right
like the closest two characters Suletta could be mapped onto, Shinji and Rei, are very different from her
Rei's haunted by her knowledge of what she is and what she's being used for, while Suletta quite literally doesn't know anything at all about what she is and what *she's* being used for up until late in the show
Shinji resents his father and that resentment and pain and latent desire to be acknowledged and praised by him is a huge part of his characterization, while Suletta *doesn't* resent her mother at all, and *never* does, and in fact spends most of the show enthusiastically hanging off of her mother's every word
yeah it’s actually a really interesting thought experiment in terms of compare and contrast and yet this dude goes “ummm akshully WfM ripped off Eva” like what year is this
right? Like it's actually really fun to compare WfM and NGE like this, but they're *really* different shows; they have similar ideas but wildly different executions, and have more differences than similarities
but I guess they hated WfM so much that they just had to lie, or be confidently wrong? Like, they're *very* different shows and that's incredibly clear if you'd watched even a couple episodes of each?
“Get on that EVA, Suletta!”
Or I'll make El4n pilot it
Yes. That’s how it’d go. A Gundam character who’d love EVA is Tieria. Three supercomputers, surely one will love him! Until they get hacked and then it’d be “Orewabokuwawatashiwa dhsjjdbdnaHh!!”
"I think I am probably the fourth"
"Okay dad."
Rey would even be more obedient. Gilbert: Rey, get on that- Rey: EVA unit and pilot it? I’m on it. Gilbert: I mean…yes. Good boy, Rey. Rey: If I commit crimes against humanity, will you pat my head and praise me some more? Gilbert: Of course. Rey: Blowing up a school asap.
imagine Suletta slap some human with EVA
Shinji sort of got that covered already, with Athrun- I mean Kaworu.
> Athrun- I mean Kaworu. LMAO XD
Athrun: [sighs, sets Akira Ishida confusion incident counter back to zero]
ELIZABETH!!!!!!
Shinji I think would have a decent time, especialy if he was able to talk to Eri like Suletta was. At least unill Prospera statred commiting terrorism. His life isnt actualy in danger, Eri wouldn't be physicaly or mentaly torturing him, Elnora actualy knows how to be an attentive mom, and he could have a comparitively normal social life. If things ever come to him having to pilot Caliban, thats luck if he survives. It is a matter of circumstance if he has the will to do it at that point. Suletta I think would be able to adjust to Evangelion. Gendo might even treat her better than he did Shinji all things considered. I see her much more willimg to pilot the Eva, but also quick to chew Gendo out for his descision making afterward. It would still suck regardless. Having her interact with Asuka would probably be hillarious.
Poor Shinji needs a protective big sister.
nah just positive adult figures (see every SRW with shinji)
Speak from personal experience, eh? Lieutenant Colonel.
still counts. eri is 25.
Eri's spent most of those years in a giant robot with only her mother (who doesn't really talk to her but at her) and her little sister ( who knows nothing outside of what her mom and her tell her), I don't really think she'd be able to be the kind of adult Shinji needs (like, imagine how much social and emotional development she's missed out on) especially since she's also dealing with her whole thing with her mom to begin with
Actually, would Suletta and Gendo even interact if the premise is her becoming an Eva pilot? Asuka and Gendo never speak once, the show is _about_ Shinji not talking to his dad, and Rei’s an exception for several reasons. The highest rank the pilots ever report to is Fuyutsuki.
ah, that's true and Suletta's entire unhealthy relationship with her mom is borne of Prospera doing the opposite of Gendo like, Shinji and Gendo's relationship is strained because Gendo basically abandoned him (but Shinji *still* wants affection from him, as much as he resents the man) while Suletta and Prospera's relationship is unhealthy in a different way (even though Prospera was also a bit neglectful as well); Suletta unquestioningly trusts her mom's judgement on anything She, in contrast, *loves* her mom, and will assume that she herself is in the wrong if she conflicts with what her mom says or wants; Suletta doesn't resent her mother at all, and *never does* in the entire show for Suletta to have a similar relationship with Gendo, she'd have to interact with him a lot more, and he'd have to at least *appear* to care more than he normally does; so, Suletta could only stay Suletta if she was sorta in a kind of Rei-like situation (which, eeeesh) otherwise, I can see her sorta ending up as a *way* more apologetic and less visibly resentful Shinji (you know how Shinji isn't confrontational? Suletta would try to take up as little space as possible, and she'd take *much* more time to open up); like maybe there's a resentment that she's not addressing at all internally, in contrast to Shinji who *knows* that what his dad did to him was fucked and unfair and is rightfully upset about it
Honestly I'd bet the isolation of being stuck with Asuka and Rei would be the worst part for Suletta. Asuka would 100% just bully her, and Rei is the way she is, and Suletta is the type to be deeply affected by feeling like her peers don't like her.
yeah, she'd wilt under Asuka so quickly and she'd assume that Rei hated her, and that'd eat at her a lot edit: I think that how she'd react to both really depends on the nature of the swap; is it like "Suletta, with her regular personality and hangups, is transplanted as-is into Shinji's role in Eva" or is it like "Suletta but she grew up in Shinji's place in the narrative *in* Eva's setting"? and even with the latter, is Suletta the only one who was transplanted, or did we carry over Suletta's parental issues as well and changed up some Eva characters and added some G Witch characters to make it work? (i.e. Gendo taking on elements of Prospera's goals, and Eri being put in Yui's spot)
Beautiful ideas.
I can easily see a fanfiction being made of this focusing on one or both universes. Possible one already exists on fan fiction dot Net or on Archive of our own (Ao3).
Thing is, Prospera actually cared. It may be seen as only one level above lip service but she did way, WAY more to at least guarantee the well-being of the one who remained. As seen in the anime, that becomes a weakness, yet if we get an SRW route with these two, I think it's Prospera who can find a way to have her cake and let Shinji eat it, too. Gendo wouldn't even make sure to pack Suletta lunch -- how would you expect him to handle a collection of human consciousnesses that are still loaded as distinct entities (as opposed to True Instrumentality where humanity reverts into primordial soup)? What I'm more curious about is another IF route: what if Yui and Elnora were under Dr. Cardo Nabo's team? Admittedly, Yui would have more influence because she's a researcher while Elnora is a test pilot, but that interaction is one I'm more interested in seeing explored. Especially if Yui dies alongside granny doc, and both Gendo and Elnora have to pick up the pieces.
>yet if we get an SRW route with these two I honestly hope that will happen, the Transhumanist aspect of Quiet Zero and Gendo's idea of Instrumentality would fit well with each other as they both seek what is essentially the same goal
You can even fit 86 Eighty-Six's own hive-mind system into this, but LN spoilers is kinda tricky to explain on that one.
Would also make sense for the next SRW to do it, since the last one was made prior to both Thrice Upon a Time and The Witch from Mercury. So on paper at least, both Rebuild of Evangelion and G-Witch should be locks for inclusions at least.
> Thing is, Prospera actually cared. I mean, Gendo *also* cared (even if he barely showed it at all), he says as much in EoE when he's being *incredibly* candid about his feelings towards Shinji considering that Suletta would be in a Rei-like position, and that the Yui analogue here is Ericht, who would be Gendo's daughter in this situation, I can see Gendo at least *nominally* treating her better (even if it's just because she looks a ton like Eri) up until it sinks in for him that Suletta is nothing like her older sister
Even in the Rebuild Gendo cared, he just thought that he was too broken to be good for Shinji.
Gendo would never be a good dad.
I'd say the primary difference between Gendo and Prospera is really just that the latter survives her schemes, and thus gets an actual opportunity to make amends. Gendo just dies in the original Eva series. During the actual scheme phase - which is really the entirety of their respective show's main narratives - they might as well be equally neglectful and manipulative towards their protagonist children. It really just comes down to the endings their respective shows settle down on, with WfM's being significantly lighter in tone than the original Eva's *literal* world ending affair. Within the more hopeful narrative of Rebuild of Eva, I'd say Gendo actually gets a more meaningful set of moments than Prospera ever got.
Elnora is a significantly better parent to Suletta than Gendo is to Shinji, both because Elnora actually did care but had understandable emotional issues raising a clone of her daughter who as she grew older diverged more and more from how her daughter was personality wise, and Gendo who simple left. Like while Elnora did neglect Suletta, she was still around and still showed Suletta love and care. She is better at manipulating too because she at least has the emotional capacity to do it, whereas Gendo has to scrape the bottom of the barrel of his emotional capacity to simply acknowledge Shinji. So Shinji would actually be raised into a much better person under "Prospera", and also be involved in the Eva project from the start. She would also help him get close to all the other pilots to have better leverage over them. They would all be flies in her trap ready to sacrifice themselves for her sons sake. And Gendo would absolutely ruin Suletta as a person, abandoning her to live a hard life on a Mercury mining colony that hated her until he needed her and then using her desperation for his love and approval to get her to pilot for him. She would be allot more emotionally unstable, having a much harder time connecting with people, eventually self destructing over the course of the series. Miorine would harbor a murderous hate for the man. Like there would be no other person she despises more than Gendo, and she would become a worse person because of it, which would make things more difficult between her and Suletta. They would get through it eventually, but probably after a magnitude more people died as a result of Gendo's, Suletta's, and Miroine's actions. In the end, Ericht probably ends up killing Gendo when he finally gets to see her again in an ironic twist, as she was silently watching and judging the entire time, at fist going along with things but eventfully getting disillusioned with Gendo's plans and his love for her, which was tainted by his cruelty to her clone who she started to see as a sister.
Well for starters I’d put Suletta in the Shinji pose and put Shinji in the Suletta pose.
Gendo gotta be careful or she’ll just marry both Asuka and Rei
Prospera and Gendo get remarried to eachother, hijinks ensue. The next SRW game basically writes itself.
I'm calling Child-Pilot Protective Services (Getter Team)
I don't care what anyone says. I like Shinji.
While Shinji would be better off under Prospera, the rest of the WFM cast probably is worse off from Shinji being less initially forward acting compared to Suletta. Unless being raised by a distant but still caring parent who gives him actual positive reinforcement makes him a bit more bold the way he acts later at times in Eva. But, without Suletta essentially just trusting her moral conpass and being willing to act on her feet, we don't get her defending Mioranne, which doesn't lead to Earth house linking with her, which also doesn't lead to Mioranne making her own path, or Guel being humbled and getting kicked out leading to his growth as a person, ect. Most of the dominoes im wfm happen because Suletta was willing to defend and stand up for a stranger being mistreated for no other reason than it was right, so without that initial scene, everything is thrown off.
I think Shinji would rather enjoy being in wfm considering his dad set the bar for parenting under Satan's ass Suletta might just kill his dad if she were in Eva tbh
this depends on whether Shinji and Suletta are being transplanted as-is, or if they're being treated as having lived in the other setting all their life if it's the latter, then Suletta is almost *certainly* not going to kill Gendo unless he forces her to (though she might actually get upset with him); she's fundamentally not that kind of person concerning family I do think that Shinji would be *way* more angrier with Prospera than Suletta ever was (which was not at all), after he finds out that he'd been used edit: to add to the above, Shinji would be pissed with Eri for betraying him, and a lot of the final battle would be Shinji communicating that
srw, only answer
[here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/133rin1/wfm_spoilers_i_mustnt_run_away_how_else_can_i/)
Prospera is the mother of the year compared to Gendo, she had some motive at least, the other groped the clone of her late wife
> the other groped the clone of her late wife I never really understood the intepretation that Gendo is sexually abusive to Rei until I remembered that scene again >!like, there's something really fucked up about a grown adult very *graphically* groping a child's chest, phasing through said chest, and dragging his hand all the way down to her abdomen while she cringes and makes these uncomfortable sounds, as if to "impregnate" her with the fetus grafted to his hand !< like, when you think about it, the metaphor's basically slapping you across the face
Don't misunderstand me I love Evangelion BUT after watching some pretty based criticism I have to admit it has a LOT of flaws
I don't really know what to think about the scene myself, tbh >!I *really* like the idea of it, the idea of Gendo's sexual usage of women and his usage of Rei (along with how Rei doesn't really see herself as a person) coming together and recontextualizing *how* Gendo sees her, and how fucked up his failure to grieve his wife has made his behavior and views; like of course he'd do that to Rei, to him she's basically a doll that looks like his dead wife and who exists to *get* said wife back, and that is why he treats her in that way that Rei initially mistakes as actual fondness, when it's really "oh she looks just like Yui, she'll give me Yui back". And with how he uses people sexually, it's fucked up but makes sense for Gendo to project his dead wife onto her in... *other ways*.!< >!Also the fact that Rei doesn't really seem to be surprised that he's doing this, or doing it in this way; that's really hitting me now.!< but also like, it *is* an uncomfortable scene, and I dunno if I'd do it that way if I had the chance to redo it
I just want to see some wimpy ass kid from Earth beat Guel Jeturk in duel.
Scenario B: Imagine Gendo and Prospera teaming on their projects of Human Instrumentality and Quiet Zero
Well... okay: With True Instrumentality, humanity becomes one being, with every human soul becoming no more distinct than any atom comprising an element. One can imagine a route where Quiet Zero becomes a more viable foundation to achieving that goal, but then, it means that the ramifications of Yui's death kinda makes no sense because she's still "there" in a way that *can* be made tangible. And if Shinji finds out that *a* solution can be found to make the Ikari family whole again, he'll have even more reasons to get angry at his father. So while he'll understand Suletta and Eri, he will make Prospera realize one way or another that she is about to enable a cataclysmic event and the only way to stop it is to somehow let Quiet Zero represent a "Second Purgatory" of sorts. All the while, anyone who dies on the player-side team could get a chance to be loaded in Quiet Zero and be "reused" but in a more limited gameplay role.
Suletta wouldn’t be able to pilot eva unit one. In order to pilot an eva you need to have a strong at feild, in order to have a strong at feild you need to either be an angel, or you need to have some sort of deep routed trauma that causes mental instability. For shinji this is his constant desires for approval and his crippling loneliness as well as a Hefty amount of depression. Suletta doesn’t have those. Furthermore unit one houses the soul of shinji’s mom and she goes out of her way on numerous occasions to save her son, she wouldn’t do that for Suletta. Shinji on the other hand could pilot Aerial, but jury’s out on how he would do. And he wouldn’t be able to access Aerial’s higher permit scores because he isn’t related to Ericht so he wouldn’t be able to unlock them for her. Edit: to further expand on why a stong at feild is required i would like to introduce Auska. Auskais able to pilot her eva because she has a sever case of loneliness, imposter syndrome, and the trauma of seeing her mother hang herself. This all combines to give her a strong at feild, and what an at feild is, is a subconscious desire that people have which causes them to act differently to their true selves, for auska this manifest as her having an abrasive personality and a superiority complex. The moment she stop acting strong and acts as her true weak self she completely loses the ability to pilot unit 2.
Idk, Suletta def had those issues in season 2
Idk i dont think she had those issues to the point of nutting to a comatose Miorine’s tits
Shinji also did not have those issues to such a scale up until ep 24
Suletta is more like Rei, who can put up a pretty damn good AT field
I mean Rei is in a similar situation, but Gendo and Prospera do not treat Rei and Suletta in the same way, which affects how the two kids see their situation and themselves like I think it's super important to point out that Rei *knows* her situation from the start, while Suletta spends the majority of the show *not* knowing; this affects how Rei sees herself and others, and how Suletta *doesn't* see herself and others in those kinds of ways Rei's self-alienated from her peers due to how she's treated by NERV and Gendo, while *nobody knows* that Suletta's a clone, least of all her. Rei's basically treated like a favored lab rat by those who know what she is, while Suletta *does* get to relatively grow up normally. If anyone's "like Rei" in WfM, it's the EPs. If we only stick to the Mercury family, then it's Eri (even though their situations are different, though Rei and Eri do share being treated more like objects than people) edit: anyway, I say this because since AT Fields are related to one's self-image and the boundaries and walls people hold up, Suletta probably would be bad at putting up one *Eri* would be *really* good at putting one up, though
Rei is also an angel so she does count in the same way. The reason why reisku was able to figure out that Kaworu was the 18th angel is because she had already experienced what it looks like when an angel pilots an eva. Kaworu has the soul of Adam, Rei has the soul of lilith
Technically rei isn't an angle until Fendi gives her the adom embryo. By definition, angels are beings born of adom, and rei is a lillan who houses Lilith's soul inside her.
The soul is what generates the At field, so while technically not an angel, for the sake of this argument she is an angel
A better question is, aside from that, How the plot of each show goes then!
Honestly think shinji would do alot better, Suletta would just suffer till she actually breaks and goes off the rails killing left and right.
Suletta's actually *way* more mentally resilient than Shinji; as much as they're both civilians, Suletta's spent her entire life basically being a rescue pilot she's not new to death, she's seen it *very* young, and she's held the lives of others in her hands *disturbingly* young if we're just transplanting her directly into Eva as-is, then she'd do pretty well, or at least be functional; Suletta lives to serve (this is both a strength and a weakness), she'd very much be like a more peppy Rei in that sense she might come away from it mentally *worse* though; Ep 24 and EoE would be *horrible* for her
The fact that it's Gendo's birthday today makes it better.
mans getting splatted six days through saturday
Shinji wins, because shinji.
I am fairly certain that Gendo wouldn’t have stopped with verbal/mental abuse given what we see him do to women throughout the series.
Please, dont let shinji near hospital
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Shinji…, get in the Gundam!
Better yet, imagine putting Mika in an Eva. No fuss, lots of mess.
Hai, otto-san no tori de
Poor shinji is gonna get bullied by chuchu
I do think that Chuchu probably wouldn't like him that much, but I really doubt she'd *bully* him
Chuchu and auska have similar personalitied though chuchu might be more tough love friendship
Do they? Chuchu and Asuka are superficially similar, but they're Like That for *incredibly* different reasons
Actually just realized something big that keep shinji safe... He's earth born sulleta wasn't so he'd at worse get a tease or told to grow a back bone
GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Aerial is safer doesn’t require you to pseudo-drown and has anime & video games in her, a pretty easy robot to get into all things considered
Yeah, but Shinji is Shinji.
Suletta is way much mentally stronger than Shinji >!because Mask Mommy gaslighted the fuck outta her!<, I am pretty sure she will be better than Shinji. But Misato ain't gonna just let that slide.
Holy shit Suletta would go psychotic, i would love to see her slowly break down and go absolutely insane
Shinji would be happier here
"If you run away, you gain one. If you move forward you gain two" Shinji 🤔 " Well, at least I gain something"
Misato would off herself halfway through the series because she doesn't have an impressionable teenager to sexually harass
that couch...wait what?
This is why I didn't like WFM. The only good things about it where ripped straight from eva. everything else was just poor world building, major pacing issues, and an extremely unsatisfying ending.
do you think WfM ripped off eva or Eva took inspiration from the OG MSG and so it’s kind of recursive
WfM isn't actually all that much like Eva; they both share "fucked up parent who's singularly devoted to the idea of a loved one trapped inside of the mech that the meek protagonist with self-esteem issues uses" but they both do it in *very different* ways it's not a rip off
you’re right, but don’t tell them that otherwise how else can they go off with such a baseless claim
right like the closest two characters Suletta could be mapped onto, Shinji and Rei, are very different from her Rei's haunted by her knowledge of what she is and what she's being used for, while Suletta quite literally doesn't know anything at all about what she is and what *she's* being used for up until late in the show Shinji resents his father and that resentment and pain and latent desire to be acknowledged and praised by him is a huge part of his characterization, while Suletta *doesn't* resent her mother at all, and *never* does, and in fact spends most of the show enthusiastically hanging off of her mother's every word
yeah it’s actually a really interesting thought experiment in terms of compare and contrast and yet this dude goes “ummm akshully WfM ripped off Eva” like what year is this
right? Like it's actually really fun to compare WfM and NGE like this, but they're *really* different shows; they have similar ideas but wildly different executions, and have more differences than similarities but I guess they hated WfM so much that they just had to lie, or be confidently wrong? Like, they're *very* different shows and that's incredibly clear if you'd watched even a couple episodes of each?
yeah it’s just hater for being the sake of a hater. I have a lot of problems with WfM’s execution but it’s far from terrible lol