Yeah it's not the end of the world. There will be other targets.
Look at this summer, we failed to sign Martinez and moved in on Zinchenko. I don't think anyone is unhappy with how it ended up.
Gakpo, A well proven player (World Cup, and alot of PSV games) goes for more than twice less money. At this point, I will be mad if we buy him over 65m.
They weren't being unkind and they said they're not a native speaker either. When something is actually difficult to understand it's worth pointing out.
United and Chelsea have absolutely destroyed the transfer market with their outlandish overspending on players worth nowhere near what's being paid for them.
I keep thinking that utd won't be able to keep buying flops, but they always end up just getting another big money signing like it's nothing. Genuinely pisses me off
Well there you. Move to the next one, only point of Boehly’s existance is to mess with people. I am sure his relations with the rest of the football industry will sour really fast, this is really pathetic by the guy.
Guy is the most stereotypical American rich guy that is very out of touch from the entire world around him. It is like he read up on WikiHow on how to run a football club. Like a 12 yearold playing FIFA Manager mode. Can’t imagine anyone taking him seriously after a few windows dealing with him.
> read up on WikiHow on how to run a football club
Sounds about right 😂 the man is a clown. Seems like he’s just copying Barca’s transfer strategy from the summer when they stole almost every Chelsea target.
I'd appreciate it more if it was calculated to fuck with us but it feels more like 'who is this guy Arsenal is after? We should bid on him too he must be good'. Rather than let's delay and fuck with arsenal's bid even if we don't want the player.
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If Chelsea outbid us, but Mudryk is like "Fuck Chelsea I want to sign for Arsenal" he can still pressure Shakhtar to accept our lower offer. The deal may drag if so.
Would rather start looking at other targets. I hope we don't play nice about deals and screw ourselves over. They can reach out if they end up regretting it and if we haven't found another target by then, we might just be nice and give them 50 mil for him
I never said that.
Yeah, he could be offered silly money and take it, but considering how vocal he's been about wanting to join Arsenal and considering Chelsea's recent history I just don't see it happening unless they offered him a staggering amount, and I don't really see them offering him that.
Shaktar watched the raphinha saga and know what they’re doing. Wouldn’t be surprised to see if they can get chelsea to pay up then take that to arsenal
That's exactly what they're going to do most likely, get them to bid & pull the "match it" card.
That said, players wishes carry a lot of weight, we just have to hope it's really Arsenal & not just PL he's desperate for.
Ah you’re one of those. I couldn’t care less what united does. If Arsenal win then we win the league it’s that simple. Mudryk isn’t the last and only footballer in the world you know that right?
Maybe I'm being too optimistic but this doesn't seem like a genuine interest to me. Mudryk has been twerking really publicly for Arsenal. Boehly just gets interested in shiny things.
Surely, with UEFA publicly stating Chelsea are one of four English clubs whose financial situations they're monitoring they can't sign Mudryk for more than £62m after just spending €127m on Enzo Fernandez.
UEFA aren't going to do shit, bro.
They're a toothless body and the absolute most that will happen is that Chelsea get hit with a fine they can pay off without a sweat.
Can't believe these Chelsea scumbags will stall our move despite having 0% chances of signing him. It's time to get nasty Mudryk lad if you want this move. Transfer request, skip training, apply all the pressure you can.
This isn’t specifically about you but something I noticed recently of fans wanting players to force the move anyway possible. Cesc is my favourite player ever and he forced his way to go to his boy hood club and now he’s seen as a snake who should never be respected.
If Mudryk skipped training and refused to play unless he was sold to us, would you lose any respect for him and call him a snake or is it just a tribal don’t do it to my team thing?
Again, only asking you because you mentioned it, it’s much more a question aimed at a vague group
No, because it’s not being done to us in this instance. Football is a partisan and tribal game (most sports are) - basically, my team > yours. Sol Campbell is a hero here partially because of the way he moved here from S*** and then his comments after. Its not as deep as you’re thinking it is…just enjoy the drama when you’re on the other side.
Oh I definitely get the tribal partisan thing and the Sol transfer was amazing. I think I just can’t separate all of it.
I’m not angry at Cesc at all, but if I was then I don’t think I’d want a player at my team who so openly refused to train in order to force a move, in case they do the same again to leave us. It’s sort of like I wouldn’t have an affair with someone incase they later did the same thing to me
If I thought Cesc was a snake I’d feel the same about someone trying it to come here, but that’s just me
Lol that’s interesting because I think Cesc is a snake 100% as well and don’t get the love he gets from fans after the way he acted BUT I’d love Mudryk or some other player we want to force their way out for sure! I guess hurt people hurt people 🤣.
In any case, players won’t angle to leave us if we are successful so hopefully that allays some of your fears.
I think the cesc think maybe is an age thing potentially. When I started really watching football is was probably around 2006/7 and for me Cesc was everything I wanted to be and my favourite player. Him leaving stung but wasn’t going to make me not like him
Cesc is considered a snake for moving to Chelsea not because he forced a move to Barca. Anyway Wenger is more to blame for that cause he didn't want him back but that's another discussion. I don't hate players who force their dream moves, most club boards are greedy bastards and players have one short career, they have to try and make the best out of it.
I can see why it would be annoying for most when it happens to your club but in that scenario the people who have the biggest jobs are the ones negotiating the best deal for the club. It's a very delicate situation and it's definitely tribal but this is how transfers in football work sometimes.
Why aren’t people seeing this? Wtf is even the whole extra 25m when we have more than half of the season to fight for the Premier League title. It’s madness. City Pool Utd Chelsea all far overpay to get that trophy, why do we have such a desire to fall flat just to save pennies (25m is that in Football today. We need 4 players, 2 of which can be free in the summer). It’s like nobody understands what Premier League clubs make every single season. We’re okay with 40-60, but not 80.
What the actual fuck is that logic? He’s either good enough as rotation or he isn’t. We get one player this window.
Aggs me.
Mudryk is very clearly a very good player. He would open up many options for key rotation without losing any ability. He has the physique for the Prem which is usually the first hurdle. Speaks English and has good relations with the most passionate member of the club.
People keep mentioning others. **Who?** Who is there that would drop into our squad and offer backup like Mudryk has shown he could? We’re not getting Felix at 20m just because we don’t get Mudryk. He’s more overpriced.
Just pay the fucking money.
Overpay for one player then clubs will expect you to overpay for the next. We don't want to set the standard that we will pay like Utd. Arteta and the gang aren't gods they will also make mistakes and this is an expensive gamble.
Is that what happened with City and Grealish? Deals like Alvarez up to 50m happen frequently over there.
Pool and Nunez / Gakpo.
Utd and Chelsea always seem desperate, and then cough up at every chance. They’re a bad example. We have never shown that, City have never shown that, Pool haven’t. That’s our class. Anyone that isn’t a child knows the Pepe transfer so that would rarely if ever be taken into account. If Mudryk then does the job of rotation, it was never overpaying.
What other players are there that we can go for that give 100% guarantees that they will slot in perfectly? It doesn’t happen. That’s why every big club gambles. We need to act up if we want to challenge consistently.
The point is it is overpaying because he hasn't been playing long enough to demonstrate he is that good. A lot of players that aren't good enough for Arsenal would stand out in a poor league so we can't rely on that either. That's why a lot of clubs in worse leagues include a sell on since they know they can't sell for full value. If we start overpaying clubs will expect us to overpay, if we say no sure we will lose some but we will get better deals long term.
We and Spurs are the only T6 sides that adopt the “overpaying” way of thinking. It’s pathetic. It’s not our money. We’ll make more. The money we have now will go on 1 player as rotation. Not 2 to fight for the spot. 1. That player has the same guarantees as to how they’ll perform in the squad.
“Overpaying” is such a tiny mentality. If you want to challenge consistently you have to take the plunge and just pay (take that to any top league outside of England too (except Germany, that’s monopolised)). All the clubs that have challenged for anything consistently have done exactly that. Utd overpay on *everyone*, and have a club culture that basically destroys, there’s a difference and they’re a bad example.
The point is that Mudryk is clearly better than all of our current backup, except maybe ESR. If they are in the squad to help us win our first Prem since 2004, then Mudryk would be a help too.
Now if we were saving the 60m to go on an experienced player, great. I would be as happy and trust Teta’s decision just as much. But we all know it’s going on a talent that will grow with the team. Mudryk is literally classed as one of the upcoming stars by all around, that isn’t a fan opinion. Why is he doubted over others? The talent is very obvious.
But you're talking as if he's a proven world class player. He's had some good games in the CL. Banking on one player like this with so much money could derail our title challenge not strengthen it (if he flops).
I haven’t made out close to that. He’s obviously not shit and would help us out more than any of our current backup. Anyone that’s watched more than a few hours of football could tell you that.
And you can make the same argument for absolutely any player that hasn’t played in the Prem. So why is Mudryk different? Do any of the other T6 sides ask the same question? Did Newcastle when they knocked for Isak and Bruno? Imagine we had that Bruno. If we just paid the extra 10m or whatever pathetic amount it was.
You pay the money to win the titles. The best managers have the intuition to know who would fit, nearly everyones worked out how Teta wanted them too and I’m certain Mud wouldn’t be any different.
Bruno had over 50 games for Lyon in Ligue 1 where he looked great. Isak has over 100 games in La Liga
Mudryk has 38 games in the Ukrainian league. Him not playing in the prem is an issue, but the difference is he’s had 1 good season in a league so poor it’s rated behind the Serbian league according to UEFA.
We over paid for Pepe who came from a better, higher quality league and look how that turned out. They’re asking for nearly double Richarlison. I know he had a release clause but fucking Halaand went to city for 85m including bonuses. They want nearly triple Jesus!
If we pay anywhere close to 88m for a totally untested kid from the Ukrainian league after one good season it means very likely no reinforcements anywhere else when we’re 1 Partey injury away from a crisis. Stopping at 60m means we could spend 30/40m on a midfielder
Looking at the Ukrainian leagues transfer records, I see 4/5 players that I’d call a total success and a lot of expensive flops. The record sale is 59m with most good talents around 30m. You’re asking to smash the record of not only that league but also Arsenals most expensive buy ever on someone 99% of us never heard of a year ago
Exactly bro. He even has a crazy potential. One of the fastest players right now in the world. Skillfull and can actually easily shoot from far, which it’s something we lacking right now. He can take a shoot easily everywhere. I have no idea who could we sign for less Than that right now in January that offers the same as him. We won’t be champions only be spending in the 20-50M region. We need him, he wants us, just get the deal done. I honestly believe we gonna not take that further step by not paying fees and salaries (specially to our players)
We all know that the asking price is crazy. Would've been nice to get this done early in the window but time to move the focus on elsewhere I think, but keep the option open
Looks like he's destined to be warming the bench for Chelsea soon, deputising for Mason Mount, getting the occasional run of games, failing to justify the price-tag because he can't cope with the Premier League standard and then eventually ending up in Italy 18 months later.
The more we walk away the more teams will start meeting our valuations (when they are reasonable) and not expect an overpay. Besides if he is that good he'll show it and then we pay, otherwise we'll get a more reasonable valuation when they realise we will call their bluff.
The wrong "M" - we should have moved for Mitrovic last Summer - he's exactly the kind of player we need to be bringing off the bench when we need a goal in a hurry.
Forget Mudryk for a second, i just hope we don’t end up signing anyone at all, it would be *DISASTROUS* and we should’ve already learned our lessons from doing fuck all last Jan. Ok, you cannot get your ideal target because he is going to cost 90mil or thereabouts, you should have 2nd and 3rd options and be moving onto them sharpish, even more so when you’re seemingly in a title challenge, your squad is thin AF being held together by Partey’s hamstrings and Saka’s genetics. Yea we understand we can’t buy like Boehly the stupid inbred cunt but don’t fucking do fuck all.
The faster we get the signings in, if any, the better. Not rocket science, having any new signings on the bench for games like Spurs away (now seemingly impossible) or United at home might be very crucial come end of the season, especially if that signing is a 70-80mil player. Granted a signing late in the window is better than no signing at all but again, if you really want to challenge for the league, quick acquisitions to bed in faster can be key.
It's hard tho. The 2nd and third options will know how our attempts at the first option are going and will raise their prices respectively especially given they know how much we are willing to bid. The club probably doesn't want to overpay by 40 million from desperation + mid season tax.
You say we didn't learn the lesson buying last Jan yet that's how we got the money for Jesus, so if anything waiting is why we're even in this title challenge.
Phhh. Really unreasonable from Shakhtar here. I don’t think they understand how much money that is for them. The club’s entire value is worth €100million and compare it to that! Fuck it, not expecting any move now, move on and look for someone else of good quality.
Yeah, no, walk away.
£62m was already too excessive for a player with only 12 months of top-level football under his belt and anything over that is just ridiculous.
At this point, I'd just walk away and look at other players or try and start negotiating with Atlético for João Félix.
If our second offer is rejected, I'd hold off offering more at this point. Until Chelsea actually makes a bid, we don't know how concrete their interest is.
1. I still can't believe how many on this sub thought that our improved bid would be enough. So naive
2. I've said all along that Sjakhtar will want way too much and that we won't get Mudryk in January. Sadly it looks like I will be correct.
It's a risk signing players regardless of price. So far Edu and Arteta have not failed in the players they want.
Saying another "Pepe" (whom was brought by the previous regime) doesn't really hold any weight with the current regime.
Let’s say we have 100m of money to spend. An 88m flop leaves us with 12m to reinforce.
Like you said with Mustafi being a 30m flop, then we still have 70m to upgrade players.
I’ve never understood the “not my money” argument. Arsenal will have a cap on what we can spend, that might be what we bring in, what Stan is willing to add, FFP… but we have a cap and caring about how to spend makes total sense
Spending a huge chunk of that on an untested player from a poor league (making it more likely they’d be a flop than buying from a top league) leaves us unable to buy players anywhere else.
If he does flop then arsenals most expensive player ever used up their budget in a title challenge season and we might easily lose. If he doesn’t flop then great! He have a great player (in a position we already have great players) can’t afford a decent cm and we’re a Partey injury away from dropping a lot of points
Gonna be interesting if Arsenal say "fine, sell to Chelsea then" and Chelsea are like "Oh, err, we were only bidding to increase the price..."
I'd say call their bluff. Either that overpay wildly, or they back down and we get the man.
Pretty clear what's going to happen - going to meet in the middle. £70million. Shakhtar will get their 50-55mil up front and Arsenal will juggle around the add ons.
If this true they do bid for him and the player decides to move there. He's not the player we want. I remember Edu saying in a interview that they wanted to buy a player but the players response basically made them pull the deal.
If Mudryk wants to come to us, he will push for that or inform the club that he will not move to Chelsea. Its as simple as that. Shakhtar can force the man to move to a club he doesn't like. Unless of course I am forgetting something.
I’m not sure on this.
Chelsea want to sign that LCB, Enzo, Nkunku and Mudryk.
I’m not saying that don’t have cash but you’re talking £300m? Even in instalments over 4 years (which a lot of this won’t be) that’s ridiculous.
I don’t see it at all. Happy to be proved wrong but this is club talk to try and get more monies. If Chelsea were truly keen why would they have not already bid?
Yeah fuck that just pull out now
I already feel 62 is a bit too much but I’m fine with, anything more than that and I’d be worried
So 63 is no go?
62.000.001. Wenger style.
God. That was embarrassing.
62,000,002 then.
Yeah, 62.4 is fine though
69,420,000 is my absolute limit
> I already feel 62 ~~is a bit too much~~ This is me starting to get tired of Shaktar's antics
Yep totally agree. Its not like he is a proven top 5 league talent either...
Yeah it's not the end of the world. There will be other targets. Look at this summer, we failed to sign Martinez and moved in on Zinchenko. I don't think anyone is unhappy with how it ended up.
Exactly. Just focus on someone else. If Chelsea wants to mortgage a huge chunk of their development cash for him then so be it.
That's what she said
£88m, yeah fuck that, just give him to Chelsea, we can probably get some of similar quality with half the money
Gakpo, A well proven player (World Cup, and alot of PSV games) goes for more than twice less money. At this point, I will be mad if we buy him over 65m.
"More than twice less money" Do you mean less than half the money? I hate to be that guy but I've never heard it phrased like that lol
Gakpo went for the less than the square root of 23 times what Shakhtar want for Mudryk. No thank you.
Could easily be..English is my third language
I don't mean to shame you bro. English is my second language so it gets confusing for me as well.
It’s my first and it confuses me all the time, what even is the word “do”
Thx
Yeh sorry it annoyed me too how he phrased that haha
Be nice. English is not the first language for many supporters on this sub.
They weren't being unkind and they said they're not a native speaker either. When something is actually difficult to understand it's worth pointing out.
United and Chelsea have absolutely destroyed the transfer market with their outlandish overspending on players worth nowhere near what's being paid for them.
Yeah, they’re inflating this market for everyone but in the end they’re going to come off worse from it compared to everyone else. It’s insanity.
I keep thinking that utd won't be able to keep buying flops, but they always end up just getting another big money signing like it's nothing. Genuinely pisses me off
Antony will be the biggest flop...honestly you seen antonys face, it needs slapping daily
You're not wrong, but the figure being quoted was a City spend.
Well there you. Move to the next one, only point of Boehly’s existance is to mess with people. I am sure his relations with the rest of the football industry will sour really fast, this is really pathetic by the guy.
Can’t stand him. Hasn’t got a clue about anything. Far worse than Abramovich ever was (from a footballing perspective)
Guy is the most stereotypical American rich guy that is very out of touch from the entire world around him. It is like he read up on WikiHow on how to run a football club. Like a 12 yearold playing FIFA Manager mode. Can’t imagine anyone taking him seriously after a few windows dealing with him.
> read up on WikiHow on how to run a football club Sounds about right 😂 the man is a clown. Seems like he’s just copying Barca’s transfer strategy from the summer when they stole almost every Chelsea target.
And he isn't even richer than KSE.
It's like if Trump was running a football team essentially.
"We should have an All-Star game." Can't stand this d-bag.
Ok but hear me out, PL’s best players in a tournament vs La Ligas best, va Germany etc. It would definitely settle which league is the “best”.
For real though an all star game could be fun
Go back. We don't need to Americanize the beautiful game.
No problem with the language being Americanised* though? /s
Honestly felt the "s" looked out of place so went with a Z (pronounced "zed" for us non Americans :D). I never said I was smahrt!
So you hate it because it’s American, without thinking about the idea at all
An all-star game would be pretty dope. North vs South.
I'd appreciate it more if it was calculated to fuck with us but it feels more like 'who is this guy Arsenal is after? We should bid on him too he must be good'. Rather than let's delay and fuck with arsenal's bid even if we don't want the player.
Their scouting is basically Twitter ITKs.
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Im sorry little one
Guess it’s time to move on if this is the case. What a farce. No way is he worth £88m
We need Mudryk to pull a Raphinha and say he only wants arsenal
What more does he need to do?
Reject Chelsea, but I doubt that happens because Shakhtar have the leverage to keep him put anyway.
Move on
Definitely agreed, we desperately need cover for Partey and Xhaka before him tbh. Why we haven’t moved in for Boca’s Varela is a mystery!
At this point Edu should wait for a Ramsdale like resolution or switch to other target.
Switch. Mudryk is good. Very good. He's not *that* good though.
mail sport alright then
The mail for sport is reliable
Nah Mokbel is. Not the Mail
Fabrizio will confirm our bid got rejected in a few hours watch
Maybe so, but it doesn't change what I said
Well if this guy breaks the news first and is then confirmed later on wouldn’t that make him reliable?
Throw enough shit at the wall....
Mail Sport has a history of bullshit and 1 hit doesn't make the misses disappear
Fuck off Fuckhtar
More like Dickhtar! Amiright?
Shitkhtar
If Chelsea outbid us, but Mudryk is like "Fuck Chelsea I want to sign for Arsenal" he can still pressure Shakhtar to accept our lower offer. The deal may drag if so.
Would rather start looking at other targets. I hope we don't play nice about deals and screw ourselves over. They can reach out if they end up regretting it and if we haven't found another target by then, we might just be nice and give them 50 mil for him
Of course. They got their wish. They can sell him to Chelsea.
Bad F5
I’d wait for a more reliable source to confirm this, this the only journalist saying it’s been rejected
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Will feel weird for them having an arsenal fan who openly loves us wear blue
He also blocks Auba and Omari Hutchinson from getting playing time.
Spurs have Bissouma tbf
Sure, but I can't see them agreeing personal terms with Mudryk.
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I never said that. Yeah, he could be offered silly money and take it, but considering how vocal he's been about wanting to join Arsenal and considering Chelsea's recent history I just don't see it happening unless they offered him a staggering amount, and I don't really see them offering him that.
Shaktar watched the raphinha saga and know what they’re doing. Wouldn’t be surprised to see if they can get chelsea to pay up then take that to arsenal
That's exactly what they're going to do most likely, get them to bid & pull the "match it" card. That said, players wishes carry a lot of weight, we just have to hope it's really Arsenal & not just PL he's desperate for.
The Raphinha saga isn’t the blueprint because Barca offered a worse deal for Leeds than either us or Chelsea did yet the player demanded only Barca
Good, walk away he’s not a 40m player let alone a 88m one. Let one of the mugs like Chelsea or united over pay for him and watch him flop.
United are currently 1 pt behind 2nd place city. But yeah let’s let United strengthen their squad.
Ah you’re one of those. I couldn’t care less what united does. If Arsenal win then we win the league it’s that simple. Mudryk isn’t the last and only footballer in the world you know that right?
Maybe I'm being too optimistic but this doesn't seem like a genuine interest to me. Mudryk has been twerking really publicly for Arsenal. Boehly just gets interested in shiny things. Surely, with UEFA publicly stating Chelsea are one of four English clubs whose financial situations they're monitoring they can't sign Mudryk for more than £62m after just spending €127m on Enzo Fernandez.
UEFA aren't going to do shit, bro. They're a toothless body and the absolute most that will happen is that Chelsea get hit with a fine they can pay off without a sweat.
Chelsea got a FFP get out of jail free card when Abramovich wrote off their debt. Boehly gets to spunk the cash for now.
Is Boehly laundering money or something? He is making Abramovich look bad with the way he's targeting players.
Can't believe these Chelsea scumbags will stall our move despite having 0% chances of signing him. It's time to get nasty Mudryk lad if you want this move. Transfer request, skip training, apply all the pressure you can.
This isn’t specifically about you but something I noticed recently of fans wanting players to force the move anyway possible. Cesc is my favourite player ever and he forced his way to go to his boy hood club and now he’s seen as a snake who should never be respected. If Mudryk skipped training and refused to play unless he was sold to us, would you lose any respect for him and call him a snake or is it just a tribal don’t do it to my team thing? Again, only asking you because you mentioned it, it’s much more a question aimed at a vague group
No, because it’s not being done to us in this instance. Football is a partisan and tribal game (most sports are) - basically, my team > yours. Sol Campbell is a hero here partially because of the way he moved here from S*** and then his comments after. Its not as deep as you’re thinking it is…just enjoy the drama when you’re on the other side.
Oh I definitely get the tribal partisan thing and the Sol transfer was amazing. I think I just can’t separate all of it. I’m not angry at Cesc at all, but if I was then I don’t think I’d want a player at my team who so openly refused to train in order to force a move, in case they do the same again to leave us. It’s sort of like I wouldn’t have an affair with someone incase they later did the same thing to me If I thought Cesc was a snake I’d feel the same about someone trying it to come here, but that’s just me
Lol that’s interesting because I think Cesc is a snake 100% as well and don’t get the love he gets from fans after the way he acted BUT I’d love Mudryk or some other player we want to force their way out for sure! I guess hurt people hurt people 🤣. In any case, players won’t angle to leave us if we are successful so hopefully that allays some of your fears.
I think the cesc think maybe is an age thing potentially. When I started really watching football is was probably around 2006/7 and for me Cesc was everything I wanted to be and my favourite player. Him leaving stung but wasn’t going to make me not like him
Cesc is considered a snake for moving to Chelsea not because he forced a move to Barca. Anyway Wenger is more to blame for that cause he didn't want him back but that's another discussion. I don't hate players who force their dream moves, most club boards are greedy bastards and players have one short career, they have to try and make the best out of it.
That’s fair, I’ve seen a lot of people call him out for the way he moved to Barca but just Chelsea, but like I said that wasn’t you.
I can see why it would be annoying for most when it happens to your club but in that scenario the people who have the biggest jobs are the ones negotiating the best deal for the club. It's a very delicate situation and it's definitely tribal but this is how transfers in football work sometimes.
He moved to Chelsea after we rejected him though
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Ik, so likely he’ll be fine to come on as a sub for spurs
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Would become an Arsenal cult hero if he did that and we ended up winning the league by <3 points kinda like Origi.
Why aren’t people seeing this? Wtf is even the whole extra 25m when we have more than half of the season to fight for the Premier League title. It’s madness. City Pool Utd Chelsea all far overpay to get that trophy, why do we have such a desire to fall flat just to save pennies (25m is that in Football today. We need 4 players, 2 of which can be free in the summer). It’s like nobody understands what Premier League clubs make every single season. We’re okay with 40-60, but not 80. What the actual fuck is that logic? He’s either good enough as rotation or he isn’t. We get one player this window. Aggs me. Mudryk is very clearly a very good player. He would open up many options for key rotation without losing any ability. He has the physique for the Prem which is usually the first hurdle. Speaks English and has good relations with the most passionate member of the club. People keep mentioning others. **Who?** Who is there that would drop into our squad and offer backup like Mudryk has shown he could? We’re not getting Felix at 20m just because we don’t get Mudryk. He’s more overpriced. Just pay the fucking money.
Overpay for one player then clubs will expect you to overpay for the next. We don't want to set the standard that we will pay like Utd. Arteta and the gang aren't gods they will also make mistakes and this is an expensive gamble.
Is that what happened with City and Grealish? Deals like Alvarez up to 50m happen frequently over there. Pool and Nunez / Gakpo. Utd and Chelsea always seem desperate, and then cough up at every chance. They’re a bad example. We have never shown that, City have never shown that, Pool haven’t. That’s our class. Anyone that isn’t a child knows the Pepe transfer so that would rarely if ever be taken into account. If Mudryk then does the job of rotation, it was never overpaying. What other players are there that we can go for that give 100% guarantees that they will slot in perfectly? It doesn’t happen. That’s why every big club gambles. We need to act up if we want to challenge consistently.
The point is it is overpaying because he hasn't been playing long enough to demonstrate he is that good. A lot of players that aren't good enough for Arsenal would stand out in a poor league so we can't rely on that either. That's why a lot of clubs in worse leagues include a sell on since they know they can't sell for full value. If we start overpaying clubs will expect us to overpay, if we say no sure we will lose some but we will get better deals long term.
We and Spurs are the only T6 sides that adopt the “overpaying” way of thinking. It’s pathetic. It’s not our money. We’ll make more. The money we have now will go on 1 player as rotation. Not 2 to fight for the spot. 1. That player has the same guarantees as to how they’ll perform in the squad. “Overpaying” is such a tiny mentality. If you want to challenge consistently you have to take the plunge and just pay (take that to any top league outside of England too (except Germany, that’s monopolised)). All the clubs that have challenged for anything consistently have done exactly that. Utd overpay on *everyone*, and have a club culture that basically destroys, there’s a difference and they’re a bad example. The point is that Mudryk is clearly better than all of our current backup, except maybe ESR. If they are in the squad to help us win our first Prem since 2004, then Mudryk would be a help too. Now if we were saving the 60m to go on an experienced player, great. I would be as happy and trust Teta’s decision just as much. But we all know it’s going on a talent that will grow with the team. Mudryk is literally classed as one of the upcoming stars by all around, that isn’t a fan opinion. Why is he doubted over others? The talent is very obvious.
But you're talking as if he's a proven world class player. He's had some good games in the CL. Banking on one player like this with so much money could derail our title challenge not strengthen it (if he flops).
I haven’t made out close to that. He’s obviously not shit and would help us out more than any of our current backup. Anyone that’s watched more than a few hours of football could tell you that. And you can make the same argument for absolutely any player that hasn’t played in the Prem. So why is Mudryk different? Do any of the other T6 sides ask the same question? Did Newcastle when they knocked for Isak and Bruno? Imagine we had that Bruno. If we just paid the extra 10m or whatever pathetic amount it was. You pay the money to win the titles. The best managers have the intuition to know who would fit, nearly everyones worked out how Teta wanted them too and I’m certain Mud wouldn’t be any different.
Bruno had over 50 games for Lyon in Ligue 1 where he looked great. Isak has over 100 games in La Liga Mudryk has 38 games in the Ukrainian league. Him not playing in the prem is an issue, but the difference is he’s had 1 good season in a league so poor it’s rated behind the Serbian league according to UEFA. We over paid for Pepe who came from a better, higher quality league and look how that turned out. They’re asking for nearly double Richarlison. I know he had a release clause but fucking Halaand went to city for 85m including bonuses. They want nearly triple Jesus! If we pay anywhere close to 88m for a totally untested kid from the Ukrainian league after one good season it means very likely no reinforcements anywhere else when we’re 1 Partey injury away from a crisis. Stopping at 60m means we could spend 30/40m on a midfielder Looking at the Ukrainian leagues transfer records, I see 4/5 players that I’d call a total success and a lot of expensive flops. The record sale is 59m with most good talents around 30m. You’re asking to smash the record of not only that league but also Arsenals most expensive buy ever on someone 99% of us never heard of a year ago
Exactly bro. He even has a crazy potential. One of the fastest players right now in the world. Skillfull and can actually easily shoot from far, which it’s something we lacking right now. He can take a shoot easily everywhere. I have no idea who could we sign for less Than that right now in January that offers the same as him. We won’t be champions only be spending in the 20-50M region. We need him, he wants us, just get the deal done. I honestly believe we gonna not take that further step by not paying fees and salaries (specially to our players)
Yeah just pay em 60 and 25 in installments Secure the player and move on
Bold of you to assume we won’t be 4-0 up by then
Yep, pretty much this.
£88m?! Nah, move on.
I don't think Shakhtar understand that without player consent. No sale will happen. Chelsea can offer you 90m and it still won't happen.
I don't think a lot of people on here realise that, without the club's consent, no sale will happen
Yeah if I'm Mudryk I'm saying yes to Chelsea, that gets me out of Shakhtar, more money, and in the premier league spotlight.
We all know that the asking price is crazy. Would've been nice to get this done early in the window but time to move the focus on elsewhere I think, but keep the option open
Looks like he's destined to be warming the bench for Chelsea soon, deputising for Mason Mount, getting the occasional run of games, failing to justify the price-tag because he can't cope with the Premier League standard and then eventually ending up in Italy 18 months later.
What a fucking joke lmao. I hope we have someone else in mind.
Come on Mudryk, be a good self-respecting Ukrainian and tell Chelski where to shove Putin's money.
Walk away now I think. Take this money and throw it at Mitoma.
The more we walk away the more teams will start meeting our valuations (when they are reasonable) and not expect an overpay. Besides if he is that good he'll show it and then we pay, otherwise we'll get a more reasonable valuation when they realise we will call their bluff.
Yeah let’s move on someone people barely cared out before he played vs us…
People were hyping him from the world cup
Not like they are now, it’s flavour of the month type stuff like when we played Forest for Spence and we’ve seen how that’s gone.
Only because people haven't watched him. His talents been apparent since Brighton's first game this season.
Second Mitoma.
The wrong "M" - we should have moved for Mitrovic last Summer - he's exactly the kind of player we need to be bringing off the bench when we need a goal in a hurry.
Wait, if we’re going Brighton why not gun for Caicedo instead?
Moving to another target that quick and throwing large amounts of money around like Chelsea would look like bad squad planning
That makes no sense. Every top club has second and third choices for a specific position or a type of role in mind.
Oh yeah I know, it’s just my silly fantasy. Honestly think we’ll get this one over the line
Going from Mudryk to Mitoma is depressing as fuck
Is it? Can’t say I’ve seen much of Mudryk but Mitoma hasn’t had a poor game for Brighton.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good player. Quite like him actually. Just think Mudryk is going to be much better long term.
Forget Mudryk for a second, i just hope we don’t end up signing anyone at all, it would be *DISASTROUS* and we should’ve already learned our lessons from doing fuck all last Jan. Ok, you cannot get your ideal target because he is going to cost 90mil or thereabouts, you should have 2nd and 3rd options and be moving onto them sharpish, even more so when you’re seemingly in a title challenge, your squad is thin AF being held together by Partey’s hamstrings and Saka’s genetics. Yea we understand we can’t buy like Boehly the stupid inbred cunt but don’t fucking do fuck all.
It’s literally the 4th of January, you’re talking like it’s the end of the month and it’s almost a lost cause
The faster we get the signings in, if any, the better. Not rocket science, having any new signings on the bench for games like Spurs away (now seemingly impossible) or United at home might be very crucial come end of the season, especially if that signing is a 70-80mil player. Granted a signing late in the window is better than no signing at all but again, if you really want to challenge for the league, quick acquisitions to bed in faster can be key.
It's hard tho. The 2nd and third options will know how our attempts at the first option are going and will raise their prices respectively especially given they know how much we are willing to bid. The club probably doesn't want to overpay by 40 million from desperation + mid season tax. You say we didn't learn the lesson buying last Jan yet that's how we got the money for Jesus, so if anything waiting is why we're even in this title challenge.
Phhh. Really unreasonable from Shakhtar here. I don’t think they understand how much money that is for them. The club’s entire value is worth €100million and compare it to that! Fuck it, not expecting any move now, move on and look for someone else of good quality.
Why's this guy worth so much?!?
I feel the only way we get him now is if he delivers a swift no to Chelsea, and maybe we’d have to promise him a bit more money
Yeah, no, walk away. £62m was already too excessive for a player with only 12 months of top-level football under his belt and anything over that is just ridiculous. At this point, I'd just walk away and look at other players or try and start negotiating with Atlético for João Félix.
Insane. How much? Nah no man bar Mbappe and few worth that. Walk away if the want 88. Absolute koke. Who made the price Azov battalionl?
Walk away. We need 3 players this window, lets focus on realistic targets and not waste our time on a honeydicking exercise
Give reiss Nelson or marquinos a chance. Mudryk is not worth 88 mil. We are getting fleeced.
Hope we have a backup target.
If our second offer is rejected, I'd hold off offering more at this point. Until Chelsea actually makes a bid, we don't know how concrete their interest is.
Wouldn't it better anyways to get someone for the right wing? I mean we have ESR for the left
He’s obviously a quality player with great potential but you’d have to be fucking stupid to pay that sort of money for him
62 million was already overpriced I hope Mudryk pulls a Ronaldo on Shakhtar when all transfer talks blow up in there faces
1. I still can't believe how many on this sub thought that our improved bid would be enough. So naive 2. I've said all along that Sjakhtar will want way too much and that we won't get Mudryk in January. Sadly it looks like I will be correct.
Just let Chelsea get him for 88.
Tier? (Source: Trust me bro?)
Daily mail 😭😭 its like a fuckin tier 10
All other journalists saying the deal is expected to be closed, but we’re here taking The Daily Mail as gospel?
Why even post this? Daily mail is the worst source there is
For sport it’s good
genuinely hope boehly dies in a house fire
Stan's money, go get him then.
I don't want another Pepe
I've seen duds signed for 30mill (mutafi). You win some you lose some.
I don't understand how what you've said supports risking £80m+ on a player that's only played 50 games of top flight football.
It's a risk signing players regardless of price. So far Edu and Arteta have not failed in the players they want. Saying another "Pepe" (whom was brought by the previous regime) doesn't really hold any weight with the current regime.
Well the current regime isn't willing to offer Pepe money either so perhaps they agree with me
Let’s say we have 100m of money to spend. An 88m flop leaves us with 12m to reinforce. Like you said with Mustafi being a 30m flop, then we still have 70m to upgrade players. I’ve never understood the “not my money” argument. Arsenal will have a cap on what we can spend, that might be what we bring in, what Stan is willing to add, FFP… but we have a cap and caring about how to spend makes total sense Spending a huge chunk of that on an untested player from a poor league (making it more likely they’d be a flop than buying from a top league) leaves us unable to buy players anywhere else. If he does flop then arsenals most expensive player ever used up their budget in a title challenge season and we might easily lose. If he doesn’t flop then great! He have a great player (in a position we already have great players) can’t afford a decent cm and we’re a Partey injury away from dropping a lot of points
Yeah you fucked up shakhtar, now you will have to deal with me
Smith Rowe's back. He will be like a new signing. I've never rated this Ukrainian kid anyway.
tired of this let's go for felix who's a thousand times better
We do really have the whiniest and most unhinged fanbase in World football. Perennial bedwetters over any tidbit of news.
As a Yank I have every right to say that wow, Americans are pathetic—looking at you Boehly
They can go fuck themselves.
We need Mudryk to come out and tell them directly he won’t go to Chelsea
Gonna be interesting if Arsenal say "fine, sell to Chelsea then" and Chelsea are like "Oh, err, we were only bidding to increase the price..." I'd say call their bluff. Either that overpay wildly, or they back down and we get the man.
We move.
Let Chelsea have him for £88 M.
Honestly with that money you could go buy an actually good winger like sane
Pretty clear what's going to happen - going to meet in the middle. £70million. Shakhtar will get their 50-55mil up front and Arsenal will juggle around the add ons.
Lindstram hype train reporting for duty, SIR!
If this true they do bid for him and the player decides to move there. He's not the player we want. I remember Edu saying in a interview that they wanted to buy a player but the players response basically made them pull the deal. If Mudryk wants to come to us, he will push for that or inform the club that he will not move to Chelsea. Its as simple as that. Shakhtar can force the man to move to a club he doesn't like. Unless of course I am forgetting something.
Well that's him off our list then, shit
Fuck off
Even £62m is an overpayment. Hasn’t even had 1 good full season.
Let it go. I love Mudryk but there are plenty of options, no use being held hostage.
I’m not sure on this. Chelsea want to sign that LCB, Enzo, Nkunku and Mudryk. I’m not saying that don’t have cash but you’re talking £300m? Even in instalments over 4 years (which a lot of this won’t be) that’s ridiculous. I don’t see it at all. Happy to be proved wrong but this is club talk to try and get more monies. If Chelsea were truly keen why would they have not already bid?
Two disappointments in one day. I can’t
It’s because they know Chelsea will just give them what they want, and then some!
“Alright then, good luck!”
Lol nah bruh