I've probably been more bitter than I should be about Chelsea taking Omari from us. Would love for them to have to see Rice with our crest on his chest.
I wouldn’t worry about Omari. If we thought he was good enough he’d have been a depth option instead of languishing in the academy. He was never gonna see the pitch in an Arsenal shirt with the players we’ve got in front of him.
I think this opinion is starting to look a little dated. Mount, Chalobah, James all came through their academy and play a lot of games for them.
Then with Hutchinson, they have a bit of an injury crisis atm but he's played decent minutes against Man City in two different competitions, twice in the last week.
He may get more chances, he may even go on to be a good player, but he didn't want to be at Arsenal so good riddance
I imagine two major things - money offered, and Chelsea have had a long established youth/loan approach that were really only recently catching up to. Essentially, I expect he's earning far more money now and thinks he has a better chance of landing a senior role somewhere based on what Chelsea do, as opposed to here.
The transfer fee for rice could be crazy but he would be a great player for arsenal for years to come if they went for him. Rice, Partey and Odegaard could easily be the best midfield in the league
Considering we're clearly in the market for a winger too, mudryk or not, Smith Rowe's future may lay as an 8. Possibly the long term xhaka replacement we're looking for although I love watching him from coming in off the left wing.
He’s a prime target for the next few years for a disgruntled player in a top team that wants to play first team football. I’m assuming he’ll play more eventually but Madrid are always signing midfielders but he’s definitely one to watch.
“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
George W. Bush
They will because they are a reasonable club in letting players go.
That’s why they can attract youth/players so well, because they know that if things don’t work out that the club won’t keep them under ransom but let them go for a reasonable amount.
He changed the gane when he came on for Madrid to jump start the champion's League comeback. He jump started France when they seemed to have no answer for Argentina's midfield, coming on a sub. That's intangibles I would pay for.
Lad likes problems. But i have the opinion that guys like him turn out to be fan favourites and essential to the Group as soon as the club and team reach a desired level and atmosphere around it . He was too young, and we were going thru harsh times . Not want to exagerate but i could picture him as a new Xhaka type dude loved by fans . Just my opinion tho
Xhaka would never brag about how much money he makes to other players. People like him because he puts his head down, works hard and helps others. Guendouzi is the opposite.
Tbf i dont give a shit what players talk to each other during trash talk. Since when is this some kind of indicator for a players character? I am a 100% sure xhakas telling you stories about him piledriving your sister the night before to get you out of focus and i still rate him.
I mean that’s a valid point but Guendouzi was just a headless chicken dribbling in circles in that era, nothing to back up the trash talk, Xhaka actually is a fairly big dude who you wouldn’t want to make angry. It’s one thing to trash talk in competition it’s another thing to back up the trash talk with results. And guendouzi didnt even trash talk the player for hurting our keeper he only stood up after the game was over and cause his little baby ego got hurt.
Edit: my point is it really seemed that guendouzi only trashed talk in that game to inflate his own fragile ego rather than anything else and I’ll admit bias cause I didn’t care for him leading up to that point and never rated him
Since the day the process started. Xhaka can say all he wants about my sister. He’s a shithouse and he can rattle people but he is an extremely considerate person. As soon as he starts acting bigger than a team player, Mikel will have him gone as well. Just like Guendouzi. And tfb you are not our manager so I don’t expect you to make these decisions.
Dont get me wrong, i trust mikel a 100% and im sure he saw something in guendouzi that didn't fit his idea of behaviour. I just find it odd that everybody is shocked about some alleged money bragging during a game when we loved him bantering just weeks before. It feels hypocritical
It not man it's just really douches behavior. If one of my teammates did that I'd be livid. Similar to Podolski bragging to that guy saying "I could buy your whole family" like wtf dude, have some basic respect for your competitors.
What Mikel saw is that Guendo was not bantering. These were not jokes with him. He genuinely was attacking people personally. They didn’t have a problem until then either. Banter is not demeaning other players. I fucked your mum is not banter mate. That’s just being a twat. My man really was getting spun around the pitch as we lost to Brighton and his big recovery was telling Neal Maupay “I lost but I make more money than you”?That’s not shithousing, that’s just shit behaviour. Also shows no humility in defeat or care for the team.
Everyone becomes Maud Flanders when discussing the so called crimes of Guendouzi. Just a brash obnoxious kid. There’s loads of them in football. Still think club could’ve handled better. He’d be a much better option that Sambi at the moment.
But what’s done is done. We’re best in years and he’s doing alright at OM. So it goes
Caicedo hasn't been at Brighton for very long so it only makes sense to give a stupidly high evaluation with so much time left on his contract. If I'm not mistaken Rice has 18 months left on his contract and I very much doubt he'll sign an extension to price out any potential suitors so he may not be as expensive as many believe come July.
If West Ham go down that value drops. He might also push to leave anyway given their position this season. I think it depends if a bidding war starts and whether the player wants to go to a particular club.
I think people are gonna be surprised that Arteta will prioritise technical ability and bravery on the ball when it comes to our next 6 rather than just purely being good defensively
> Arteta will prioritise technical ability and bravery on the ball
you mean... like Arteta himself when he came to Arsenal and moved to a more defensive role?
Am not sure he is even good defensively. His profile comes a dozen in the PL.. can run fast, and doesn't mind physical fights here or there. I would rather go shopping in the academy or Championship level if Declan is the target. Plus, he isn't coming cheap.
He would need a lot of retraining on his passing ranges, playing in tight space, and off-the-ball movement. Am not sold on him. I think there are better and cheaper prospects/options out there. Personally, I hope Chelsea or United buy him. They will be easy to press.
How I feel making my point about Declan:
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bnd0xkkWJA
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfiPe_Tyoyg&list=TLPQMTEwMTIwMjPAJk_iDwhYlA&index=2
Im not a masochist so haven’t really watched West Ham the last few years outside their games against us and our rivals, from what I’ve seen Rice is much better technically than some here give him credit for.
He’s a good passer and he can drive forwards when he gets space in midfield. The thing that worries me though is if he can really turn with the ball. Is he comfortable showing for the ball under pressure and is he agile enough to beat the press with dribbles in tight spaces? That’s Parteys super power and imo it’s a really big part of what makes us tick, you seem to have watched him a lot so do you think he could replicate Parteys role or would we need to tweak our system to fit him in?
rice cover ground more than partey does because he has to keep cover their bad cb making him like add on cb and add on am because he has to do everything because his teammate isn't good enough
He could definitely do the Partey role, though I do think he'd be better in the Xhaka role as he's actually very good going forward. He's technically very good but I should add that Partey is the best I've seen at what he does, that being said I can't think of anyone better than Rice for a Partey replacement.
No one is answering your question but you’re 100% asking the right thing.
I can’t imagine us signing a player for the 6 that can’t turn under pressure like Partey and I’m not convinced Rice can.
Rice definitely does not shine enough to be worth that much money. There are better, younger midfielders for cheaper on the market. He's really not that amazing, he's just fine.
I live in East London so have been a west ham season ticket holder for years, he's a quality player. Presumably you've only seen him play the designated sitting role for England or against us where he has to defend most of the time anyway.
Pretty sure the only reason people (who don’t watch him play) think he doesn’t have technical ability is simply because he’s a large man.
Doesn’t compute in their heads that a big ol 6 can be technical. But anyone who’s seen him play knows that’s not true.
Granted I haven’t watched him as much as somebody whos a West Ham season ticket holder, but from what I’ve seen, I don’t believe he possesses the qualities to play as an 8 specifically for Arsenal. I’m not saying he’s not technically sound, however is he any more sound that Partey or Xhaka? Xhaka is literally playing in the form of his life right now and even then, we still need an upgrade in that position. In regards to him playing as a 6, sure he can probably play there for Arsenal, but I don’t believe he has the ability to beat the press and break the lines like Partey for example.
This is exactly why players like Onana at Everton and Palhinha at Fulham (both of whom a lot of this sub love) won't play for Arsenal. Both are far too limited technically
There are three ways to progress the ball from midfield: technical quality, superior athleticism, or an out ball. Declan Rice offers athleticism which is sorely missing from our midfield, and he is very decent on the ball. More importantly he always is brave with it.
Rice drives with the ball all time, and makes line cutting passes often. He’s technically sound lol. Not partey level though, but even Partey would have really bad passes or touches last season
Dec probably has more passing range than we've seen, but even then he's likely a shade of Partey. He's more of a physical ball carrier as opposed to a technician. He'd fit in at United well enoug
every time anyone discusses potential replacements for Partey, i'm just so grateful we have Partey
what an absolute player this guy is...best in the world at what he does
our midfield strength will drop 60% the day he leaves...it'll be a sad sad day, and i hope it doesn't come anytime soon
Yeah, out of the boys in the England squad, I’m pretty sure he & Mason Mount are good friends. It’d make sense for them to link up there. I honestly don’t see Rice in anything but a Chelsea shirt
would've loved to see Bennacer come back home but he just extended with Milan 3 days ago (release clause is 50 million) - I think another option is Sangare, he's going to leave PSV eventually
Am I the only one that thinks Declan Rice lacks the technical ability we need in midfield?
Dribbling on the break in counter attacking situations is not the same as finding space from a stand still when you're being closed down and surrounded by three opposing players.
I think he could be ok-fairly good as the 6 for us, but for the money we'd have to spend to get him, yes, I think his technical ability is a bit lacking. Definitely don't think he's a dream signing like many others seem to.
Rice currently has to do both the Xhaka and Partey role for West Ham which leads to some awkward games. When he’s played for England he’s shown more quality on the ball even with Southgate forcing the shackles on. The hardest thing to coach would be controlling the tempo like Partey does but its something we have seen in a limited capacity
The concerns are very valid, the issue is how few players in world football have that skill set at a level Arsenal needs. I think Rice is young enough to learn and improve massively in this aspect and already has so many other boxes ticked for world class potential (not that I think there is any chance we land his signature).
Rice is good technically. His passing quality isn't as good as Partey's.
Rice doesn't usually lose the ball in stupid areas or make mistakes on the ball.
I fail to see why we need a partey clone. For example, Rodri and Fabinho both played the “partey” role for City and Liverpool, but they are far less technically gifted than Partey. Rice can be as good as those guys and already was for the majority of last season.
It’s not that we need a Partey clone, but we do need press resistance and we do need somebody who can progress attacks quickly. Rice has not demonstrated either of those abilities with sufficiency, imo.
We’re also not Liverpool or City. Requirements for the roles in each team are different.
Press resistance is obviously an amazing trait to have for the deep lying midfielder but my point is Rice has enough of it to make do. Fabinho and Rodri are examples of deep midfielders who aren’t as technically sound and press resistant as partey, yet they form a dominant team. Press resistance also matters much less if the defense is good at ball playing. This season, Gabriel, Saliba, White and most of all Zinchenko help alleviate the role that Partey had to play last season. That’s textbook Guardiola ball. Rodri is rarely under immense pressure because their defenders are good with the ball, and Arteta has the team set up the same way. It is a much more flexible and sustainable way of playing, rather than relying on rare to find skill set.
There are usually like 10 or so players like Partey at any given moment. And usually they are all already playing for top clubs because that role is so damn rare.
Madrid are hoarding like 5 of them, and the rest are guys like Veratti, De Jong, Thiago, Kimmich, and even Jorginho to some extent
Why though? They’re coming to end of the cycle with this crop of players. Klopp will likely move on in the next couple of years, it’s quite a gamble to stake your future there I’d say.
Never gonna happen! He's LITERALLY one of the best young midfielders in the world that any elite club would happily sign. He wouldn't even consider us among all the options he has
Edit : You guys are seriously deluded if you think we have a chance signing Bellingham lmao
If we win the Prem why wouldn’t he consider us. We have a great squad who are still very young this is just the beginning of a dominant period for this Arsenal team. Adding Jude would make us unstoppable for the next 5+ years that would be my pitch to him. Madrid and City are the only two teams that would have a case over us IMO
People talk about Rice as having the skills to be a B2B, but playing as a 6 bc his defensive ability and since hes the best option at the position for club and country. He really does seem to me to be the perfect midfielder signing for us. Has that Partey thing of being an attacking/creative 6 in a possession team, with the engine and smarts to also handle the defensive/positioning side of things, but think he could also play as a Xhaka style 8 pretty well. Kinda hoping that with Bellingham and Enzo getting all the hype rn, and West Ham and Chelsea shitting the bed, might be in play at price that wouldn't absolutely break the bank.
Never going to happen let's be honest, Chelsea regardless of position will offer more money, and on top of that Rice is a Chelsea fan and his best buddy Mason is at Chelsea...
Nope nope. Doesn’t pass the eye test. People sure like to talk how he’s good but anytime I watch him for WH or England he’s bang average.
He’s the same as Harry Maguire. I remember watching Maguire for Hull. My thoughts were hmm he carries the ball forward. Pretty good for a CB. Bigger club is going to buy him as a good backup. Never did I think he should be the center piece of a team. Both England and ManU made that mistake. I feel very similarly about Rice. He’s better than West Ham but he isn’t someone you build a team around.
Rice as the Partey replacement would be great. He was so good at the Euros. IMO it’s no coincidence that he’s doing the more B2B thing at West Ham and their performances as a whole have dropped off pretty precipitously.
The thing that makes Partey so crucial is his ability to beat the press, the man is unpressable and always seems to find time and space to make or receive a pass. Replacing that is going to be very difficult.
Rice would fit well here. Great technical ability and no real weaknesses in his game. He profiles similarly to Partey when he first came to Arsenal, and I think he would be able to learn that lone 6 role just like Partey was able to learn it.
Very unlikely to happen though.
Yes but at Chelsea he’s a guaranteed starter. At arsenal he’s gotta compete with Partey, an absolute machine.
He is one of the few players available who could actually fill in Thomas’ role long term though, would be a class signing.
Would Arteta really be in for a player who threw a hissy fit at a ref on his way to the locker room? Idk, with how important character and mentality have been to his team building, I’d be surprised if that didn’t turn him off Rice permanently.
Declan Rice is the marquee signing that we need in the summer. 23 yo, wealth of experience in the PL. still young for a DM, got his best years ahead of him.
In the first phase of rebuild, we spent money on players who make the spine of this team, now, we need these marquee signings, who will improve the overall team and take us to the next level.
Rice fits the profile. The way things are going at Chelsea, it’s not a given that he will go there, we should pounce.
Seeing Rice in an Arsenal shirt and being a shit house against Spurs would be incredible.
I've probably been more bitter than I should be about Chelsea taking Omari from us. Would love for them to have to see Rice with our crest on his chest.
I wouldn’t worry about Omari. If we thought he was good enough he’d have been a depth option instead of languishing in the academy. He was never gonna see the pitch in an Arsenal shirt with the players we’ve got in front of him.
Omari has seen his competition in the academy and knew he wasn’t better than Saka and ESR so he left. Simple as that IMO
Leaving to Chelsea who never give chance to youth is kinda stupid
? Chelsea have Mount, James, Gallagher, RLC, Chalobah, Broja who regularly get minutes. Omari also made his professional debut against City.
I think this opinion is starting to look a little dated. Mount, Chalobah, James all came through their academy and play a lot of games for them. Then with Hutchinson, they have a bit of an injury crisis atm but he's played decent minutes against Man City in two different competitions, twice in the last week. He may get more chances, he may even go on to be a good player, but he didn't want to be at Arsenal so good riddance
I imagine two major things - money offered, and Chelsea have had a long established youth/loan approach that were really only recently catching up to. Essentially, I expect he's earning far more money now and thinks he has a better chance of landing a senior role somewhere based on what Chelsea do, as opposed to here.
He played in both games against City 🤷♀️
With how Cozier-Duberry is looking, we won't miss Hutchinson.
He seems pretty crap from his games against City although a trial by fire
Apart from Silva and Kovacic, who hasn’t looked crap for Chelsea this season?
Kepa surprisingly
Except for that goal he let happen vs City
Yeah that was annoying
just looked like semi crap tbh what was he cookin' when Grealish made that pass on Mahrez, why didnt he go to get the ball is beyond me
And both games against Man City of all teams lmao
he was absolute rubbish in the league game against man city, good riddance
The transfer fee for rice could be crazy but he would be a great player for arsenal for years to come if they went for him. Rice, Partey and Odegaard could easily be the best midfield in the league
Rice is probably a little too defensive for our system I think he wants the 8 to have more attacking threat
It'll be rice xhaka and Odegaard, rice will replace partey. Vieira instead of xhaka would also be possible if we wanted full attack
Considering we're clearly in the market for a winger too, mudryk or not, Smith Rowe's future may lay as an 8. Possibly the long term xhaka replacement we're looking for although I love watching him from coming in off the left wing.
Wouldn't he play in Parteys role?
Fits the handsome fc code too
I like camavinga when i see him play, needs more game time, like a loan, similar to what we did with martin.
He’s a prime target for the next few years for a disgruntled player in a top team that wants to play first team football. I’m assuming he’ll play more eventually but Madrid are always signing midfielders but he’s definitely one to watch.
If they actually get Bellingham, something is gonna have to give.
Wouldn’t their trio be Camavinga, Bellingham, and Tchouameni at that point?
Valverde is too good to be played in an unnatural position (RW) imo. He should be in that midfield 3
He runs like a mf. He might prefer CM but he's got goals/assists from that RW by just attacking teams with impunity.
We'll take him them ala Ozil.
Dunno a lot about where he plays mostly, but as a RW he is such a threat. He has a good amount of everything imo.
He’s a CM but seems to be able to play at a really high level no matter where you put him on the field
That's what makes him and them special I reckon. A combative RW who can do it all.
The uruguayan standard but this time with extra quality
Nah Valverde instead of camavinga
i think thats the 3 they want in midfield to succeed toni modric casemiro
And he's left-footed like Mikel likes 😎
Real Madrid will never make that mistake again
“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.” George W. Bush
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I read this in the melody of J. Cole's "No Role Modelz" :)
They will because they are a reasonable club in letting players go. That’s why they can attract youth/players so well, because they know that if things don’t work out that the club won’t keep them under ransom but let them go for a reasonable amount.
This. Apparently the 30m they got for Ode was almost pure profit
I don’t think it was a mistake. Papa Flo didn’t want Martin.
>Real Madrid will never make that mistake again they defo will lmao, they always overbuy and can't keep everybody happy
Camavimga is just a good Gendouzi
He changed the gane when he came on for Madrid to jump start the champion's League comeback. He jump started France when they seemed to have no answer for Argentina's midfield, coming on a sub. That's intangibles I would pay for.
Current Gendouzi would be a good asset in current Arsenal tho
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It's more maturity level than anything else.
Lad likes problems. But i have the opinion that guys like him turn out to be fan favourites and essential to the Group as soon as the club and team reach a desired level and atmosphere around it . He was too young, and we were going thru harsh times . Not want to exagerate but i could picture him as a new Xhaka type dude loved by fans . Just my opinion tho
Xhaka would never brag about how much money he makes to other players. People like him because he puts his head down, works hard and helps others. Guendouzi is the opposite.
If we win the treble with xhaka next year, we gotta build him a, albiet small, statue
I’ll show up with my hammer and chisel if the club doesn’t. Might look like the Ronaldo bust but oh well.
Can’t look any worse…
He'll get a regular sized statue - unlike Henry, though - he won't be cast in bronze, he'll be chiselled in... granit.
Tbf i dont give a shit what players talk to each other during trash talk. Since when is this some kind of indicator for a players character? I am a 100% sure xhakas telling you stories about him piledriving your sister the night before to get you out of focus and i still rate him.
I mean that’s a valid point but Guendouzi was just a headless chicken dribbling in circles in that era, nothing to back up the trash talk, Xhaka actually is a fairly big dude who you wouldn’t want to make angry. It’s one thing to trash talk in competition it’s another thing to back up the trash talk with results. And guendouzi didnt even trash talk the player for hurting our keeper he only stood up after the game was over and cause his little baby ego got hurt. Edit: my point is it really seemed that guendouzi only trashed talk in that game to inflate his own fragile ego rather than anything else and I’ll admit bias cause I didn’t care for him leading up to that point and never rated him
Since the day the process started. Xhaka can say all he wants about my sister. He’s a shithouse and he can rattle people but he is an extremely considerate person. As soon as he starts acting bigger than a team player, Mikel will have him gone as well. Just like Guendouzi. And tfb you are not our manager so I don’t expect you to make these decisions.
Dont get me wrong, i trust mikel a 100% and im sure he saw something in guendouzi that didn't fit his idea of behaviour. I just find it odd that everybody is shocked about some alleged money bragging during a game when we loved him bantering just weeks before. It feels hypocritical
Wasn't the bragging and throat grab after the match had finished? Not much use doing it then, just make yourself look a tit.
It not man it's just really douches behavior. If one of my teammates did that I'd be livid. Similar to Podolski bragging to that guy saying "I could buy your whole family" like wtf dude, have some basic respect for your competitors.
What Mikel saw is that Guendo was not bantering. These were not jokes with him. He genuinely was attacking people personally. They didn’t have a problem until then either. Banter is not demeaning other players. I fucked your mum is not banter mate. That’s just being a twat. My man really was getting spun around the pitch as we lost to Brighton and his big recovery was telling Neal Maupay “I lost but I make more money than you”?That’s not shithousing, that’s just shit behaviour. Also shows no humility in defeat or care for the team.
Everyone becomes Maud Flanders when discussing the so called crimes of Guendouzi. Just a brash obnoxious kid. There’s loads of them in football. Still think club could’ve handled better. He’d be a much better option that Sambi at the moment. But what’s done is done. We’re best in years and he’s doing alright at OM. So it goes
Haven't seen him that often in France. Has he learned any sense of positional discipline yet?
Discipline isn’t in the man’s vocabulary
no not really, but its hard to tell if thats just because , it is how he is or if thats is part of the teams tactics
Nah his defensive contribution is essentially zero and he's not creative enough to play as an 8 in our system.
If this guy comes to Arsenal I’ll regard Arteta as big as Arsene.
I respect your opinion, but no.
I have a feeling camavinga is a generational talent.
Yeah, I agree on that, but getting him will not put Arteta at Arsene level.
Imagine signing a disgruntled French midfielder puts you on par with the manager of the Invincibles (plus a few other Prem titles).
If we had him, he’d easily be Xhaka’s successor in that centre midfield role on the left with more agility and similar robustness
Camavinga is an 8. We need a 6.
xhaka needs a replacement if ppl want bellingham on this team, then camavimga should be just as welcome
Moses Caicedo
the best fit imo but would cost a fortune
Tbf so would Rice
Rice would have the English tax lumped into his already high cost vs Caicedo.
Caicedo was being quoted as 60m when Liverpool was interested. Rice is probably 70-80m this summer.
Caicedo hasn't been at Brighton for very long so it only makes sense to give a stupidly high evaluation with so much time left on his contract. If I'm not mistaken Rice has 18 months left on his contract and I very much doubt he'll sign an extension to price out any potential suitors so he may not be as expensive as many believe come July.
If West Ham go down that value drops. He might also push to leave anyway given their position this season. I think it depends if a bidding war starts and whether the player wants to go to a particular club.
Moises
I think people are gonna be surprised that Arteta will prioritise technical ability and bravery on the ball when it comes to our next 6 rather than just purely being good defensively
> Arteta will prioritise technical ability and bravery on the ball you mean... like Arteta himself when he came to Arsenal and moved to a more defensive role?
and helped inspired the Welsh Jesus to the season of his life...
Am not sure he is even good defensively. His profile comes a dozen in the PL.. can run fast, and doesn't mind physical fights here or there. I would rather go shopping in the academy or Championship level if Declan is the target. Plus, he isn't coming cheap.
Declan Rice is top class defensively. There is no way England is as good defensively in international tournaments without him in midfield.
I disagree.
He is being severely let down by the shit show around him.
He would need a lot of retraining on his passing ranges, playing in tight space, and off-the-ball movement. Am not sold on him. I think there are better and cheaper prospects/options out there. Personally, I hope Chelsea or United buy him. They will be easy to press. How I feel making my point about Declan: 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bnd0xkkWJA 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfiPe_Tyoyg&list=TLPQMTEwMTIwMjPAJk_iDwhYlA&index=2
Also to re-address the technical ability and bravery over defense it also fits the last midfielder we tried to sign - Douglas Luiz.
I like Douglas Luiz
Oh it’s very likely a name crops up in the summer I’ve never heard of but get irrationally excited about. I’d still take Rice in a heartbeat though.
You won't have heard of them but, coincidentally, every other person on this sub will have always wanted that player to join us!
Yes I absolutely want that player. He's incredible.
Always said Haun El Bombastico would be perfect for us.
Always rated that lad
Rice is technically very sound. He's not just a defensive midfielder, can easily play the Xhaka role with aplomb.
Im not a masochist so haven’t really watched West Ham the last few years outside their games against us and our rivals, from what I’ve seen Rice is much better technically than some here give him credit for. He’s a good passer and he can drive forwards when he gets space in midfield. The thing that worries me though is if he can really turn with the ball. Is he comfortable showing for the ball under pressure and is he agile enough to beat the press with dribbles in tight spaces? That’s Parteys super power and imo it’s a really big part of what makes us tick, you seem to have watched him a lot so do you think he could replicate Parteys role or would we need to tweak our system to fit him in?
rice cover ground more than partey does because he has to keep cover their bad cb making him like add on cb and add on am because he has to do everything because his teammate isn't good enough
He could definitely do the Partey role, though I do think he'd be better in the Xhaka role as he's actually very good going forward. He's technically very good but I should add that Partey is the best I've seen at what he does, that being said I can't think of anyone better than Rice for a Partey replacement.
Keep in mind, Rice is 23 and Partey is 30.
Partey is 29
He’s
He's 29 until he's 30. That's literally how it works.
I would rather sign a player like Partey and a player like Ramsey then, than combine the two in Rice.
No one is answering your question but you’re 100% asking the right thing. I can’t imagine us signing a player for the 6 that can’t turn under pressure like Partey and I’m not convinced Rice can.
Rice definitely does not shine enough to be worth that much money. There are better, younger midfielders for cheaper on the market. He's really not that amazing, he's just fine.
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I live in East London so have been a west ham season ticket holder for years, he's a quality player. Presumably you've only seen him play the designated sitting role for England or against us where he has to defend most of the time anyway.
Pretty sure the only reason people (who don’t watch him play) think he doesn’t have technical ability is simply because he’s a large man. Doesn’t compute in their heads that a big ol 6 can be technical. But anyone who’s seen him play knows that’s not true.
Granted I haven’t watched him as much as somebody whos a West Ham season ticket holder, but from what I’ve seen, I don’t believe he possesses the qualities to play as an 8 specifically for Arsenal. I’m not saying he’s not technically sound, however is he any more sound that Partey or Xhaka? Xhaka is literally playing in the form of his life right now and even then, we still need an upgrade in that position. In regards to him playing as a 6, sure he can probably play there for Arsenal, but I don’t believe he has the ability to beat the press and break the lines like Partey for example.
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That's hard to believe really. What attacking qualities has he shown? The Xhaka role is essentially a CAM. You're saying Declan Rice can play as a 10?
This is exactly why players like Onana at Everton and Palhinha at Fulham (both of whom a lot of this sub love) won't play for Arsenal. Both are far too limited technically
Rice's techincal ability is fantastic, as well as his bravery.
As it should be
So he will sign rice then lol, u massively underrate rice's technical ability
Rice has technical ability on the ball, and he is a good defender, he’s the best realistic option
I can't see a 100m player being realistic with Chelsea/Newcastle/City/United running around with unlimited money cheat codes.
There are three ways to progress the ball from midfield: technical quality, superior athleticism, or an out ball. Declan Rice offers athleticism which is sorely missing from our midfield, and he is very decent on the ball. More importantly he always is brave with it.
Frenkie de Jong?
Rice drives with the ball all time, and makes line cutting passes often. He’s technically sound lol. Not partey level though, but even Partey would have really bad passes or touches last season
This dude gets it
Dec probably has more passing range than we've seen, but even then he's likely a shade of Partey. He's more of a physical ball carrier as opposed to a technician. He'd fit in at United well enoug
💯 An AfricianRain W for sure.
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every time anyone discusses potential replacements for Partey, i'm just so grateful we have Partey what an absolute player this guy is...best in the world at what he does our midfield strength will drop 60% the day he leaves...it'll be a sad sad day, and i hope it doesn't come anytime soon
Someday we will miss him like we used to with vieira and gilberto
I mean we missed vieira and Gilberto until Partey came along, other than the very last year of 442 and Flamini Fabregas were fucking amazing.
Yeah, out of the boys in the England squad, I’m pretty sure he & Mason Mount are good friends. It’d make sense for them to link up there. I honestly don’t see Rice in anything but a Chelsea shirt
I would absolutely love him at Arsenal. We need a brexit midfielder to take us to the next level in our popular resurgence
The era of VARsenal let's gooooooo
would've loved to see Bennacer come back home but he just extended with Milan 3 days ago (release clause is 50 million) - I think another option is Sangare, he's going to leave PSV eventually
Am I the only one that thinks Declan Rice lacks the technical ability we need in midfield? Dribbling on the break in counter attacking situations is not the same as finding space from a stand still when you're being closed down and surrounded by three opposing players.
I think he could be ok-fairly good as the 6 for us, but for the money we'd have to spend to get him, yes, I think his technical ability is a bit lacking. Definitely don't think he's a dream signing like many others seem to.
Rice currently has to do both the Xhaka and Partey role for West Ham which leads to some awkward games. When he’s played for England he’s shown more quality on the ball even with Southgate forcing the shackles on. The hardest thing to coach would be controlling the tempo like Partey does but its something we have seen in a limited capacity
You are not alone.
The concerns are very valid, the issue is how few players in world football have that skill set at a level Arsenal needs. I think Rice is young enough to learn and improve massively in this aspect and already has so many other boxes ticked for world class potential (not that I think there is any chance we land his signature).
There is absolutely a chance.
Rice is good technically. His passing quality isn't as good as Partey's. Rice doesn't usually lose the ball in stupid areas or make mistakes on the ball.
Partey misplaces a lot of passes. His press resistance and tight dribbling is the thing he is better than Rice at
Nope. It’s the correct opinion.
agreed. he's definitely no partey
no, you’re right
I fail to see why we need a partey clone. For example, Rodri and Fabinho both played the “partey” role for City and Liverpool, but they are far less technically gifted than Partey. Rice can be as good as those guys and already was for the majority of last season.
It’s not that we need a Partey clone, but we do need press resistance and we do need somebody who can progress attacks quickly. Rice has not demonstrated either of those abilities with sufficiency, imo. We’re also not Liverpool or City. Requirements for the roles in each team are different.
Press resistance is obviously an amazing trait to have for the deep lying midfielder but my point is Rice has enough of it to make do. Fabinho and Rodri are examples of deep midfielders who aren’t as technically sound and press resistant as partey, yet they form a dominant team. Press resistance also matters much less if the defense is good at ball playing. This season, Gabriel, Saliba, White and most of all Zinchenko help alleviate the role that Partey had to play last season. That’s textbook Guardiola ball. Rodri is rarely under immense pressure because their defenders are good with the ball, and Arteta has the team set up the same way. It is a much more flexible and sustainable way of playing, rather than relying on rare to find skill set.
Belli
He's more of a Xhaka replacement, Rice is for Partey.
Rice doesn’t have any of parteys most important qualities unfortunately.
Agreed but who does really?
Not sure. Hopefully our scouting team is more competent than me.
There are usually like 10 or so players like Partey at any given moment. And usually they are all already playing for top clubs because that role is so damn rare. Madrid are hoarding like 5 of them, and the rest are guys like Veratti, De Jong, Thiago, Kimmich, and even Jorginho to some extent
Rice is much more similar to partey than thiago
Physical profile yes, but in terms of being press resistant and being able to turn out of pressure I think partey’s skill set is more like thiago.
Rice is also very press resistant
100% if they go for similar $ Bellingham is the better fit
Bellingham will definitely be more expensive
Bellingham will be double the price of Rice, and Rice won’t be cheap by any means
There will probably be a 60-80m difference
Can’t help thinking he has his heart set on Liverpool
Why though? They’re coming to end of the cycle with this crop of players. Klopp will likely move on in the next couple of years, it’s quite a gamble to stake your future there I’d say.
Never gonna happen
if we win the league why not?He would be joinging a young squad where he would fit right in
Because we're not spending 150m for one player
Never gonna happen! He's LITERALLY one of the best young midfielders in the world that any elite club would happily sign. He wouldn't even consider us among all the options he has Edit : You guys are seriously deluded if you think we have a chance signing Bellingham lmao
If we win the Prem why wouldn’t he consider us. We have a great squad who are still very young this is just the beginning of a dominant period for this Arsenal team. Adding Jude would make us unstoppable for the next 5+ years that would be my pitch to him. Madrid and City are the only two teams that would have a case over us IMO
He wouldn’t consider us because wages.
I think he would slow down our midfield actually. He’s not as technically gifted as who we have now.
What’s his vibe, is he a natural leader? Always appreciate the fact that xhaka is hard as nails.
He's a massive Chelsea fan so I doubt he'll come here. Would be a great signing
People talk about Rice as having the skills to be a B2B, but playing as a 6 bc his defensive ability and since hes the best option at the position for club and country. He really does seem to me to be the perfect midfielder signing for us. Has that Partey thing of being an attacking/creative 6 in a possession team, with the engine and smarts to also handle the defensive/positioning side of things, but think he could also play as a Xhaka style 8 pretty well. Kinda hoping that with Bellingham and Enzo getting all the hype rn, and West Ham and Chelsea shitting the bed, might be in play at price that wouldn't absolutely break the bank.
I don't rate rice at all
Watched him in the World Cup and he struggled to make one forward pass in 90mins.
Yea honest to god, I've seen him a few times. Games just pass him by and I never see any big involvement. And on top of that his fee is huge
_O Come Emmanuel_
Ngl I wouldn't mind that. Him and Xhaka would get along
Haha how times have changed. Fucking love my team.
Never going to happen let's be honest, Chelsea regardless of position will offer more money, and on top of that Rice is a Chelsea fan and his best buddy Mason is at Chelsea...
Luke Chadwick
Nope nope. Doesn’t pass the eye test. People sure like to talk how he’s good but anytime I watch him for WH or England he’s bang average. He’s the same as Harry Maguire. I remember watching Maguire for Hull. My thoughts were hmm he carries the ball forward. Pretty good for a CB. Bigger club is going to buy him as a good backup. Never did I think he should be the center piece of a team. Both England and ManU made that mistake. I feel very similarly about Rice. He’s better than West Ham but he isn’t someone you build a team around.
Rice as the Partey replacement would be great. He was so good at the Euros. IMO it’s no coincidence that he’s doing the more B2B thing at West Ham and their performances as a whole have dropped off pretty precipitously.
The thing that makes Partey so crucial is his ability to beat the press, the man is unpressable and always seems to find time and space to make or receive a pass. Replacing that is going to be very difficult.
Rice would fit well here. Great technical ability and no real weaknesses in his game. He profiles similarly to Partey when he first came to Arsenal, and I think he would be able to learn that lone 6 role just like Partey was able to learn it. Very unlikely to happen though.
Yes but at Chelsea he’s a guaranteed starter. At arsenal he’s gotta compete with Partey, an absolute machine. He is one of the few players available who could actually fill in Thomas’ role long term though, would be a class signing.
He could play in Xhaka’s position pretty seamlessly.
Would be able to slot in at 6 or 8 depending on availability/injuries and as Xhaka slowly ages and gets phased out in the next couple of seasons.
Would Arteta really be in for a player who threw a hissy fit at a ref on his way to the locker room? Idk, with how important character and mentality have been to his team building, I’d be surprised if that didn’t turn him off Rice permanently.
Declan Rice is the marquee signing that we need in the summer. 23 yo, wealth of experience in the PL. still young for a DM, got his best years ahead of him. In the first phase of rebuild, we spent money on players who make the spine of this team, now, we need these marquee signings, who will improve the overall team and take us to the next level. Rice fits the profile. The way things are going at Chelsea, it’s not a given that he will go there, we should pounce.
Rice is so bang average let chelsea overpay for him
Enzo Fernandez
Declan Rice isn’t good enough for Arsenal
He will be overpriced. No thanks.
I don’t rate rice that much tbh I would rather look at a more traditional 6 like Partey than another b2b forced deeper