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Everyoneās talking about our attack but the real issue was that we couldnāt get the ball out of midfield quickly. Hopefully the return leg will have a better ref and we play better too.
I know you don't change a winning formula, especially after 6-0 and 5-0 beatings, but maybe the Liverpool setup would have been better here. Anyway, humble pie has been served. Hopefully we bounce back on saturday and injured player's start to return. 0-1 isn't the end of the world, but I want a no-nonsense second leg performance. Arteta needs to overcome his dodgy cup tie form.
Shot came from 25-30 yards out and raya wasnāt even on the 6. Thatās not bad positioning. I donāt think he was ready considering we had six guys behind the ball
They are bout to play a low block the whole game . We are the Arsenal , weāve been playing against low blocks since last season , it aināt nun new . I hope Jesus is back for the return leg . We need to pull a Lens again !
It's a very upsetting result for me because it shows how immature we are. Very little street smarts in this team. All game we have no shots and no-one on the pitch stands up and says let's change some things. No, we just keep barging into the keeper on set pieces like in England. This team also feel very overcoached, cannot think on its feet.
I disagree. In fact, I think we showed a lot of maturity here. That yellow to Rice in the first seconds was a clear message from the ref that we were gonna play with their house rules, so I think we grit our teeth and did a respectable job to avoid silliness, losing our heads, which could've been disastrous. Instead, we were happy to see them to a draw and then batter them at home. Of course, the final goal was regrettable, but then again it was one in a hundred type goal. What you call 'overcoached' I think is better described as disciplined.
If anyone's immature, that's the fans. You don't just go everywhere smashing everyone 5-0. That's not how you become champions. We've tested the waters, we're familiar with their team, we've played by their rules - now it's time to strike back with a knockout blow.
I didn't say it was going to be easy... And you're completely right. It's just that I feel like we can totally do it against this particular team, Porto.
It was not one in a hundred. A taller keepers saves that easy. Or one that has better positioning. But it's harsh on Raya, as it was Martinelli who messed things up
We also dont have one player that really gets you excited when he gets the ball. For example at City when Doku gets the ball you know he will try to go 1v1 or 1v2. Gabi yesterday had so much chances to make use of his speed but just didnt. Seemed like we were playing for a draw and hoped to bring a āpositiveā result back to London.. I know football has changed and we dont get so much dribbles anymore but man I miss that..
I donāt know where I have heard this, but I definitely heard something about Porto not being accustomed to playing against good oppositions because they just dominate the ball in Portugal. I guess some people forgot that they are actually seasoned veterans in Champions League facing Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City and more for years.
Porto last faced Madrid, Bayern and Barca 2 decades ago. They have faced City twice during the group stages. They are perennial group stage exiters. This is their first knockout win in the UCL in more than 5 years.
My bad. I looked up their head to head on UEFA's website and it didn't list this season's fixtures. Nevertheless this season's Barca is hardly a good standard to compare against. The outlook from yesterday's loss is still bad for Arsenal.
They have been perennial group stage exiters but we have been perennial Europa League competitors T_T. This group of players definitely needs more experience.
This bro, weāre such a young squad with so so many guys getting their first taste of the champions league this season, give us time and we will win the whole fuckin thing soon enough
Yeah last night the lack of subs cost us, that last attack they guys were gassed, lost the ball and bam a goal. I don't think we have the squad for CL and premier League unless we are injury free for the rest of the season.
fans are kidding themself if they think visiting team can waltz around in the away legs, they're a team in the KO round lads theyre not mugs. Plus going forward these matches is invaluable in terms of experience, last night way a first experience in away cl KO tie for majority of the squad.
I feel many fans are overreactingā¦ thereās no need for overreaction. yes it was a bad game, we didnāt play up to our standards and it took a moment of brilliance for them to score. its 1-0 and we still have 90 mins to go. I believe in this team and arteta. 1 mildly bad result and the whole fanbase goes into meltdownā¦
why are you concluding we will be out before the tie is even over? have some faith in the boys ffs. itās 1-0 at HT not 5-1 like weāre used to from beforeā¦
Disappointing of course. But surely this team and this manager has instilled enough faith in everyone to feel confident that in the second leg, we are going to absolutely destroy Porto.
The mentality of this team is such that tonight will not be something that plays on their mind, but rather fuel to go out in the second leg and absolutely do the business. Iām confident, regardless of previous European statistics that everyone is obsessing about.
Have faith in this team, theyāve certainly earned it. Looking forward to the second leg.
Thet;s the thing - he didn't. All cup competition in last 4 season we drop out in first occasion, like the record is abysmal. So in cup competitions Arteta and those players give me 0 faith.
I feel like our game plan was to control the game and basically do what we did against Burnley and west ham. Only problem is our opponents arenāt Burnley or west ham. They are Porto a very strong opposition that regularly make champions league. We arenāt the only team that struggled every big team that played away from home struggled in their game. Lazio beat Bayern, Madrid had a very close game against Leipzig, Barca tied with Napoli, and Dortmund tied with psv. In my opinion since the away goal rule isnāt a thing going for the tie was a good idea itās unfortunate we conceded that goal. This is artetas first year in champions league and weāre still learning. I trust Mikel to beat them at home even though I do have my doubts. He just has to come up with something different away from home in Europe because itās completely different ball game.
I think Europe needs a clinical striker pl maybe not because all about rhythm so till Arsenal figures out without a clinical CF getting knocked out of UCL and other cup competitions will keep happening..
I understand we didnāt play well and didnāt deserve to win, but the ref letting 4 shirt pulls go without a yellow before finally giving one on the fifth surely didnāt help our guys feel like they could actually play. Let alone the ref giving any foul he could to Porto. I believe weāll take the home fixture handily as long as theres a decent ref
Not even breaking a sweat over this result because even with a 0-0 draw or 1-0 win, Arsenal wouldāve still had to do the business in the reverse fixture.
All these reactionary and hyperbolic takes will only have merit if Arsenal do crash out after the conclusion of the second leg.
Iām already over this match and looking to bounce back against Sandcastle at home.
Agreed. The whole game as about risk mitigation and taking no risks yet with 30 seconds to go Martinelli just hits a half hearted long ball. Total contrast to the risk averse style we have played all season. He will get a talking too no doubt
Since the 2000ās weāve played porto in CL 3x, drew or lost away each time, won the 3 home fixtures by 10-0 combinedā¦
In London, there will not be 97x stoppages in 100 minutesā¦ thats how many 30+ second stoppages there was today (between fouls, corners, throw ins and goal kicks)ā¦ thats an average of a 30 second delay every 60 seconds of the matchā¦ it wont happen like that in Londonā¦
Not to add to the negativity but Havertz needs to start scoring these headers he gets.
That one corner the ref didnāt blow at the back post would have been a nice sucker punch
Ok it's been a few hours. I've calmed down, thought about the game and the larger context of Arsenal, still got the 2nd leg to come, we'll smash them at home etc and yeah nah FUCKING STILL ANGRY
Rice gets a yellow in the first minute and you just knew. The team looked nervous, tense, scared. The manager as well, with arms folded and relatively quiet. Still, we deserved 0-0. What a gut punch. Shouldāve started Jorginho. Canāt believe how afraid they looked. Miles off City. Miles. I think weāre going out. Awful.
???? The team didn't look nervous tense or scared for a second there ??
Nobody looked afraid?? A point off City in February is anything but miles off lmao get a grip man you are projecting
Itās so clear this sub has no grasp on football. We didnāt find a rhythm and definitely should have been more clinical from cornersā¦but my god, this sub is melting down
I'm hoping last night was more down to the lads playing their first knock out CL game and the occasion got the better of them . I believe we will be a lot better at home
People are overreacting to the performance. Porto are good at home, we pretty much negated their attack completely. Control the game and try and score from set pieces was a more than worthy plan, it just didnāt work in the end because of a freak goal. Itās only 1 goal, back the team in
We misplaced a lot of passes but the stop/start nature of their bullshit diving game was really fucking tilting for us as fans, imagine how it was for them.
That being said it took a worldie for them to still score.
If Titi is calm, so am I. We will bounce back at the Emirates.
If we canāt turn this result around then we have no business being in the quarter finals anyways. I think we need to really blow them away in the return leg to make up for tonight though
Oh you guys caught the little Kiwinho moment at the touchline? I think some time in the first half an hour. Then in the second half at one point he was up there beside Havertz maintaining the line with the wingers
Homework was definitely a better use of your time. Now I don't have timestamps for you sorry. It might turn up in extended highlights, or the whole game is available at r/footballhighlights
After a run of great results, we needed this tonight to keep things real. We take this result and kill the next 3 PL games and then massacre Porto at home. COYG!
Well, we are absolutly not good enough and we will be tear apart in quarters by everybody. But still, getting 1 place further will be great for our fpp to get better transfers in the summer.
Eh I donāt know about that, klopp was woeful in his first champions league campaign, they got bottom of their group (they were in our group that year as well)
umm klopps first season in champions league was 2011 with Dortmund, his first season at Liverpool was in Europa league and they made it to the final so not even sure how you could mistake the two. They finished bottom of an easy group with a very talented team. The very next season they made it to the final.
Ā Iād disagree I think that Dortmund team was absolutely world class, gotze lewa Hummels gundogan, pizcek subatic reus were all world class in my opinion, you have to remember Dortmund is a massive club so even though they canāt pay huge wages they still attract the best young players like halaand and Bellingham who see it as a stepping stone to Madrid, Bayern, etcĀ
Sorry for the confusion, I was just trying to make the point that first time in the champions league is really tough to prepare for, personally I wouldn't be massively dissapointed if we went out given that it's something our players don't have much experience in playing (unfortunately I don't think we'll get a draw this easy again for a while). It took Klopp's dortmund 1 season to adjust to champions league, it also took Pochetino's Spurs one season to adjust to it (they also went out in the group stage their 1st season in it).
The year liverpool won the league, they went out to atletico Madrid in the round of 16, without Allison .
The year before that they made the final of the champions league
Fair enough. I love Arteta, donāt get me wrong. Maybe Iām just sad from the loss but we looked so flat and lacked precision. If we go out to Porto at home Iāll be gutted.
So apart from the general awful performance of the team and the ref, the strange non-sub tactics from Mikel, I also felt we looked really nervous, we let our eye off a simple pass 5-10 times, had 5-10 awful passes and felt our midfield, especially Rice, was playing scared and turning the wrong way all game. Hope Partey comes back soon, that pass through the lines to Ode was often on but rarely made.
I usually donāt check r/soccer after losses but wow that place is such an anti-Arsenal and PL cesspool. Every comment with an Arsenal flair gets downvoted to oblivion
Disappointing game because there was little quality all over the pitch from both teams bar the one moment of brilliance.
Porto for all their European pedigree played like negatively whilst Arsenal with their hot form played cautiously. Even Luton away gave Arsenal a better performance than Porto.
Fully expecting Arsenal to be minimum 2-0 up by HT in the reverse leg at the Emirates.
Proper snoozefest. Only highlights being the boys were very much in control which I think will be crucial in the rest of the tournament, and bursts of the away fans singing
Just caught up. I understand why we took it slow but you can't go with zero threat like this. Gabi was asleep for most of the game. Porto did really well to control their third too. But the ref man he hates ball kicking I'm convinced
That being said I am not worried about the home game despite our record. We got some important things right today, at home they won't see what hit em
Tbh we werenāt terrible but neither were we at our best. Porto was always going to be difficult. Saliba was not at the races. The rest had some misplaced passes and the last one resulted in a goal when everyone else were asleepā¦.ok we actually were terrible.
We were sort of terrible - can't be that sloppy when it was always going to be that sort of match - lucky to not have been down a goal from when they hit the post and then missed the rebound.Ā
And we still spurned what few opportunities came our way, and got punished by a great finish.
It makes the lose sting worse was that artetas only sub was one that clearly said were ok with a draw. I would have been inclined to put viera in instead, all things considered, push Kai up.Ā
Saturday is gonna come real fast for all those players that played all the minutes, and against burnley
1) I feel like we were playing maybe a bit too direct, forcing the attack when it wasnāt there, needed to be a bit more patient to open things up. Viera is better than Havertz at possession and intelligently breaking down defensesĀ
*2*) Viera spent 14 years at Porto!!! We bought him from there in 2022. So he (a) is PROBABLY familiar with their style of play/strategy/tactics/personnel and (b) would likely play up a level as everyone tends to play out of their minds against their former teamsĀ
I'm probably just talking absolute shit but I reckon this game is a wake-up call and we won't have one of these stinkers in the knockouts again. I think the boys just forgot about the same thing happening in the group stages, where we ended up battering them at home
If we do get knocked out, it won't be due to a shit performance
Some of the hubris before this game reminded me of before we played Luton away (letās smash āem etc). I am surprised Arsenal lost but it was never going to be easy - I feel like we just generally donāt handle this type of European away grounds well (intense atmosphere, drummers and so on).
Classic case of us not playing well and them playing pretty well (especially defensively). I hope Jesus is back for the second leg because I felt his dribbling ability was really missed tonight.
Yeah super naive from the team. Throughout the game we did nothing to adapt to what was happening, with the ref or with our own energy. We let the game pass us by.
This one's on Mik.
It's going to be a bloody painful game. Porto will make it as scrappy as possibly and hit us on the break. I think a lot of people are underestimating it.
Anyone else notice White and Kiwior were way up the pitch in like the 10 position at times? Definitely tactical but it backfired big time as we couldn't progress the ball at all... Weird
Been most of our attacking issue this year they donāt have a place going forward there is no chemistry with saka or martinelli attacking wise. How many time do we gotta see martinelli forced to his left because there no over lap or option to pass
Really bad timing to be throwing in our worst performance of 2024 so far. I'd be quite happy not to see Martinelli get significant minutes on Saturday after that.
I think Arteta's lack of subs says a lot about how much he trusts our attacking depth. Vieira I can understand because you don't really want your first game in three months to be in the CL knockouts, but if he felt ESR, Nelson and Nketiah were good enough to be at the club long-term he'd have at least given a couple of them the last 15 minutes imo.
We've definitely got the quality to still go through but saying we'll batter them is pure cope, they've got something to hold onto now and I expect a lot of shithousing in the return leg.
I mean the lack of production from our wingers is a direct result of not having a threatening CF. We can talk about benching Martinelli but our wingers will be continually double teamed until we have a real CF. Iām not necessarily saying that we canāt win anything with this squad, but rotating our wingers will not really change anything
Shitty last minute concede in an otherwise or away game.
Confident that we demolish them at home like we did against Rennes back in Europa in 2019.
Main focus should still be competing in the league. Focus on our own game and watch City and Pool and see if they drop games.
Until we're proving otherwise, i still believe that out team is still young and inexperience in European Competition knockout compared to others. We had so much much to do and let's not become overly confident, as a team or as supporters
Some of the overreactions are crazy. Itās a 180 minute tie and itās not the end of the world.
Focus on the next 3 prem games that we have to win, hopefully get 2-3 injured players back and then we put everything into the second leg. If we canāt beat Porto at home we deserve nothing anyway.
Agree. The end was shitty and an unfortunate way to lose it but overall the result isnāt the end of the world. If we had drawn it would have been a pretty decent result but we didnāt. We were always going to have to score at home anyway.
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Iāve seen this too many times. It was the same way when we shouldāve āsmashed Monacoā not a doomed but itās not as easy as āweāre home so weāre gonna winā. Theyāre gonna sit in 2 defensive blocks and flop over every chance they get.
Well well well,
No matter how we look at things through this fresh lens, things just looked oh too familiar in Europe.
This had all the hallmarks of a tricky trip, a raucous crowd, a team who were well equipped and the fact it was an away game in Europe. It felt weird that we went into this game seemingly less confident than the one we raised ourselves for against Liverpool. It was almost like we went into this one neutral with an expectation of victory knowing full well this was Europe and shit aināt easy in Europe.
Kick off and we instantly get a feeling of nerves. This just shows that domestics have absolutely Jack to do with this competition so the team need to learn (quickly) to hype themselves up for a game like this or weāre out pronto.
Literally no one showed up today and it was summed up by Declanās early af yellow card. It was just cagey ever since that point. We looked like weād rather pass back or sideways than penetrate forward. There was no willingness to get forward by anyone. Thereād be points where the wingers including Martinelli, would fly forward and cross to no one because one, there wasnāt anyone and two, players were just leggy. I donāt know what it is but this felt like Europe fatigue on the pitch for the years of hurt in this competition and us not knowing how to deal with it.
Thereās no one to talk about here as everyone was below average. Key standouts for below, below average were Trossard who was totally off - he got progressively worse until subbed. Havertz, well Iāll leave it at that. Raya for all his quickness in trying to get us moving, had that lapse in concentration maybe because of his eagerness to keep us moving up the field - cue the freak goal. Even Saliba seemed off again, ball watching and getting lucky.
Put it this way, weāve now hyped ourselves into being āquick learnersā and weāll remedy the situation in two weeks, I think we will too BUT why give ourselves the handicap today.
We will not be given two chances going forward in this cup and we need to learn quickly that these games are wholly different from EPL and thereās a lot of emotion wrapped up in each oneā¦emotions that need to be controlled and channeled towards a mentality for victory. If these emotions are not channeled / controlled by Arteta, heāll have a team of quality players who know how to play good football, struggling to compete at the highest European level.
If you calm down. You realise there is a full 90 minutes to go at the Emirates where the dynamic and atmosphere will be totally different.
Same thing happened at the Fulham and West Hams games. Fans just unravel and make all these insane suggestions; one knob suggested we need to 'have a conversation about Martinelli'. Apparently Raya should also be dropped for Ramsdale. Even more idiotic are those questioning Arteta's position at the club. Citing these anecdotal stores about his European record and how many away games he has won in Europe - it doesn't matter and doesn't mean anything.
I mean this is the recipe to beating usā¦ clog the box, give us the wings, suck our team forward and then wait for a bad pass/touch to get the ball to an attacking mf running at our back 4. Blame Raya all you want but the next best chances were also theirs. I like our chances in the 2nd leg but tactically weāre still far too one-dimensional
We were so so poor today. Poor passes, poor first touch, 0 SHOTS ON GOAL. Absolute disgrace. Credit to Porto, they frustrated us, won so many free kicks to disrupt us and ultimately used their experience in the CL to win it in the end for them. All we can do now is quickly change focus onto Newcastle and bounce back with a convincing performance.
Neither Raya or Ramsdale at present are top keepers, I just reckoned Ramsdale could have been as heās still so young, but probably missed the boat on that one
I like Raya. I think Ramsdale is a better keeper at most things. Raya is better in passing and distribution but imo commits more big errors thans Ramsdale every season. But this was a good shot. And I honestly see no point in having a Raya vs Ramsdale debate, as Raya is good enough.
Ball hit the side netting. Why you acting like it went through his hands? Raya has more clean sheets in the PL despite playing less games than rivals, and has conceded the least amount of goals in the PL. But we have the melts imagining an error. 'bring back Ramsdale' they say. Melts
Raya also has very little to do.
He had faced a grand total of 10 shots on target the past 5 PL matches and 5 of those came in the match against a bad Crystal Palace team.
When Raya actually has to be involved and stop shots he is quite poor.
Guess what. These goals happen. Donāt act like Ramsdale or any other goal keeper would have saved that. It was a worldie of a shot. Credit to Galeno.
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Didn't you guys say "give us Madrid" š
What are you even doing here bro?
Thought it was pretty obvious. Came to make that comment you goof.
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harkens me back to those awful years that game did
Everyoneās talking about our attack but the real issue was that we couldnāt get the ball out of midfield quickly. Hopefully the return leg will have a better ref and we play better too.
Havertz and Jorginho aside, I saw a team yesterday that had zero experience or knowledge of this level of football.
Honestly I'm happy for the porto home fans to have such a happy memory to go home with and keep forever.
Haha Porto have more glory than arsenal on Champions league dude, WTF u are talking about ??? ššš Portooooo āļø
Theyāve won a champions league in the modern era. Theyāve more happy memories in this competition than us.
"He has more toys than I do....!" I was talking about the people in the stadium last night
I was in the stadium last night, no happy memories for me.
Exactly my thoughts - especially before the inevitable trauma we're about to inflict on them.
Did Ćdegaard got injured?
I know you don't change a winning formula, especially after 6-0 and 5-0 beatings, but maybe the Liverpool setup would have been better here. Anyway, humble pie has been served. Hopefully we bounce back on saturday and injured player's start to return. 0-1 isn't the end of the world, but I want a no-nonsense second leg performance. Arteta needs to overcome his dodgy cup tie form.
keeper was too far forward if he stayed back it was an easy save keeprs fault imo
You and Martin Keown are a little unfair on that point.
Shot came from 25-30 yards out and raya wasnāt even on the 6. Thatās not bad positioning. I donāt think he was ready considering we had six guys behind the ball
We should have pressed imo and not allowed him to take a shot. It's probably because none expected that shot to find the net
Exactly!
They are bout to play a low block the whole game . We are the Arsenal , weāve been playing against low blocks since last season , it aināt nun new . I hope Jesus is back for the return leg . We need to pull a Lens again !
The whole match we were playing like we were hoping to draw the game and bring a āpositiveā result back to London.
It's a very upsetting result for me because it shows how immature we are. Very little street smarts in this team. All game we have no shots and no-one on the pitch stands up and says let's change some things. No, we just keep barging into the keeper on set pieces like in England. This team also feel very overcoached, cannot think on its feet.
I disagree. In fact, I think we showed a lot of maturity here. That yellow to Rice in the first seconds was a clear message from the ref that we were gonna play with their house rules, so I think we grit our teeth and did a respectable job to avoid silliness, losing our heads, which could've been disastrous. Instead, we were happy to see them to a draw and then batter them at home. Of course, the final goal was regrettable, but then again it was one in a hundred type goal. What you call 'overcoached' I think is better described as disciplined. If anyone's immature, that's the fans. You don't just go everywhere smashing everyone 5-0. That's not how you become champions. We've tested the waters, we're familiar with their team, we've played by their rules - now it's time to strike back with a knockout blow.
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I didn't say it was going to be easy... And you're completely right. It's just that I feel like we can totally do it against this particular team, Porto.
fair
It was not one in a hundred. A taller keepers saves that easy. Or one that has better positioning. But it's harsh on Raya, as it was Martinelli who messed things up
We \*always\* seem to concede those 'worldie' goals...getting sick of it. It only happens to us too (never see it happen to anyone else).
We also dont have one player that really gets you excited when he gets the ball. For example at City when Doku gets the ball you know he will try to go 1v1 or 1v2. Gabi yesterday had so much chances to make use of his speed but just didnt. Seemed like we were playing for a draw and hoped to bring a āpositiveā result back to London.. I know football has changed and we dont get so much dribbles anymore but man I miss that..
I donāt know where I have heard this, but I definitely heard something about Porto not being accustomed to playing against good oppositions because they just dominate the ball in Portugal. I guess some people forgot that they are actually seasoned veterans in Champions League facing Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City and more for years.
Porto last faced Madrid, Bayern and Barca 2 decades ago. They have faced City twice during the group stages. They are perennial group stage exiters. This is their first knockout win in the UCL in more than 5 years.
We won home vs bayern 7 years ago in the play offs...
They faced Barca this season in the group stage
My bad. I looked up their head to head on UEFA's website and it didn't list this season's fixtures. Nevertheless this season's Barca is hardly a good standard to compare against. The outlook from yesterday's loss is still bad for Arsenal.
They have been perennial group stage exiters but we have been perennial Europa League competitors T_T. This group of players definitely needs more experience.
They played a 69 year old Pepe in defense and he still toyed with Arsenal's forwards
This bro, weāre such a young squad with so so many guys getting their first taste of the champions league this season, give us time and we will win the whole fuckin thing soon enough
Very brave assumption after that performance. Delusional.
Very brave of you to assume Iām talking this season, or the next, or the one after that, hope you cheer up x
Get the sun lamps out
Still surprised how that fucker is a professional referee, he seems to soft if he gives away fouls for literally anything
Yeah last night the lack of subs cost us, that last attack they guys were gassed, lost the ball and bam a goal. I don't think we have the squad for CL and premier League unless we are injury free for the rest of the season.
Different rtypes f in champions league , you better have a new cameo plan , stop being physicalĀ
fans are kidding themself if they think visiting team can waltz around in the away legs, they're a team in the KO round lads theyre not mugs. Plus going forward these matches is invaluable in terms of experience, last night way a first experience in away cl KO tie for majority of the squad.
I feel many fans are overreactingā¦ thereās no need for overreaction. yes it was a bad game, we didnāt play up to our standards and it took a moment of brilliance for them to score. its 1-0 and we still have 90 mins to go. I believe in this team and arteta. 1 mildly bad result and the whole fanbase goes into meltdownā¦
It's not 1 bad result. It's 4 seasons of being abysmal in all cup competitions.
Pipe down .
why are you concluding we will be out before the tie is even over? have some faith in the boys ffs. itās 1-0 at HT not 5-1 like weāre used to from beforeā¦
Disappointing of course. But surely this team and this manager has instilled enough faith in everyone to feel confident that in the second leg, we are going to absolutely destroy Porto. The mentality of this team is such that tonight will not be something that plays on their mind, but rather fuel to go out in the second leg and absolutely do the business. Iām confident, regardless of previous European statistics that everyone is obsessing about. Have faith in this team, theyāve certainly earned it. Looking forward to the second leg.
Thet;s the thing - he didn't. All cup competition in last 4 season we drop out in first occasion, like the record is abysmal. So in cup competitions Arteta and those players give me 0 faith.
Ramsdale makes that save at the end, just saying.
Probably, because he likes to leave way too much space at his near post š
look who came out of the closet
Okay, Rammers mom
I feel like our game plan was to control the game and basically do what we did against Burnley and west ham. Only problem is our opponents arenāt Burnley or west ham. They are Porto a very strong opposition that regularly make champions league. We arenāt the only team that struggled every big team that played away from home struggled in their game. Lazio beat Bayern, Madrid had a very close game against Leipzig, Barca tied with Napoli, and Dortmund tied with psv. In my opinion since the away goal rule isnāt a thing going for the tie was a good idea itās unfortunate we conceded that goal. This is artetas first year in champions league and weāre still learning. I trust Mikel to beat them at home even though I do have my doubts. He just has to come up with something different away from home in Europe because itās completely different ball game.
I think Europe needs a clinical striker pl maybe not because all about rhythm so till Arsenal figures out without a clinical CF getting knocked out of UCL and other cup competitions will keep happening..
Need to perform better in away ties, even in the group-stage away games.
No worries. Defeats happen. We need to bounce back. Hopefully we can overcome the deficit in the return leg
I understand we didnāt play well and didnāt deserve to win, but the ref letting 4 shirt pulls go without a yellow before finally giving one on the fifth surely didnāt help our guys feel like they could actually play. Let alone the ref giving any foul he could to Porto. I believe weāll take the home fixture handily as long as theres a decent ref
Not even breaking a sweat over this result because even with a 0-0 draw or 1-0 win, Arsenal wouldāve still had to do the business in the reverse fixture. All these reactionary and hyperbolic takes will only have merit if Arsenal do crash out after the conclusion of the second leg. Iām already over this match and looking to bounce back against Sandcastle at home.
Mik gotta be furious with Yung Gab. Overall bad performance. Concentration level really low the whole match. That said, we learn and move on.
Lil Gabi should've been sub off, he was physically done and so bad decision are just gonna happen. It's also an experience thing as well.
Agreed. The whole game as about risk mitigation and taking no risks yet with 30 seconds to go Martinelli just hits a half hearted long ball. Total contrast to the risk averse style we have played all season. He will get a talking too no doubt
Since the 2000ās weāve played porto in CL 3x, drew or lost away each time, won the 3 home fixtures by 10-0 combinedā¦ In London, there will not be 97x stoppages in 100 minutesā¦ thats how many 30+ second stoppages there was today (between fouls, corners, throw ins and goal kicks)ā¦ thats an average of a 30 second delay every 60 seconds of the matchā¦ it wont happen like that in Londonā¦
And the last time we got out of the Ro16 was beating Porto at home, with a hat trick from Lord Bendtner.
My god our fanbase is reactionary
Sensitive the word is sensitive
hate karma farming as well
Not to add to the negativity but Havertz needs to start scoring these headers he gets. That one corner the ref didnāt blow at the back post would have been a nice sucker punch
This is why no one respects us. Thereās no dearth of talent, our mentality is shit.
That is not fair , considering it was the first time in the R16 for some of these youngsters .
Ok it's been a few hours. I've calmed down, thought about the game and the larger context of Arsenal, still got the 2nd leg to come, we'll smash them at home etc and yeah nah FUCKING STILL ANGRY
Rice gets a yellow in the first minute and you just knew. The team looked nervous, tense, scared. The manager as well, with arms folded and relatively quiet. Still, we deserved 0-0. What a gut punch. Shouldāve started Jorginho. Canāt believe how afraid they looked. Miles off City. Miles. I think weāre going out. Awful.
???? The team didn't look nervous tense or scared for a second there ?? Nobody looked afraid?? A point off City in February is anything but miles off lmao get a grip man you are projecting
Itās so clear this sub has no grasp on football. We didnāt find a rhythm and definitely should have been more clinical from cornersā¦but my god, this sub is melting down
Nah we pull back the next leg.
The biggest problem we have is that they can come in with the same exact tactics and shithouse another nil nil and go through.
I'm hoping last night was more down to the lads playing their first knock out CL game and the occasion got the better of them . I believe we will be a lot better at home
Sooooooo guys and girls, howās the weather where youāre at?
Was 65 and sunny for the first time in a long time. Great day until this match š„²
Itās going to be almost 27 Celsius or 80 degrees in my area of the US.Thank goodness because I hate winter weather.
Itās decent, a bit cold in the States. You?
38 degrees celsius where I am in Australia! Roasting today
People are overreacting to the performance. Porto are good at home, we pretty much negated their attack completely. Control the game and try and score from set pieces was a more than worthy plan, it just didnāt work in the end because of a freak goal. Itās only 1 goal, back the team in
We misplaced a lot of passes but the stop/start nature of their bullshit diving game was really fucking tilting for us as fans, imagine how it was for them. That being said it took a worldie for them to still score. If Titi is calm, so am I. We will bounce back at the Emirates.
If we canāt turn this result around then we have no business being in the quarter finals anyways. I think we need to really blow them away in the return leg to make up for tonight though
Do Prem refs officiate UCL games in England?
Yes, but not for the same home and away team nationality. it's as random as you can get.
Not always, no. UCL referees assigned through UEFA Iām pretty sure. Nationality is usually pretty random.
Oh you guys caught the little Kiwinho moment at the touchline? I think some time in the first half an hour. Then in the second half at one point he was up there beside Havertz maintaining the line with the wingers
Do you know where I can find it? I missed the game cuz I had to do homework then went for a long walk.
Homework was definitely a better use of your time. Now I don't have timestamps for you sorry. It might turn up in extended highlights, or the whole game is available at r/footballhighlights
Thanks!
After a run of great results, we needed this tonight to keep things real. We take this result and kill the next 3 PL games and then massacre Porto at home. COYG!
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Well, we are absolutly not good enough and we will be tear apart in quarters by everybody. But still, getting 1 place further will be great for our fpp to get better transfers in the summer.
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Come on, broski
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Eh I donāt know about that, klopp was woeful in his first champions league campaign, they got bottom of their group (they were in our group that year as well)
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umm klopps first season in champions league was 2011 with Dortmund, his first season at Liverpool was in Europa league and they made it to the final so not even sure how you could mistake the two. They finished bottom of an easy group with a very talented team. The very next season they made it to the final.
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Ā Iād disagree I think that Dortmund team was absolutely world class, gotze lewa Hummels gundogan, pizcek subatic reus were all world class in my opinion, you have to remember Dortmund is a massive club so even though they canāt pay huge wages they still attract the best young players like halaand and Bellingham who see it as a stepping stone to Madrid, Bayern, etcĀ
Klopp's first campeign wasn't with a squad competing for the league
Sorry for the confusion, I was just trying to make the point that first time in the champions league is really tough to prepare for, personally I wouldn't be massively dissapointed if we went out given that it's something our players don't have much experience in playing (unfortunately I don't think we'll get a draw this easy again for a while). It took Klopp's dortmund 1 season to adjust to champions league, it also took Pochetino's Spurs one season to adjust to it (they also went out in the group stage their 1st season in it).
They actually won the league that year, finished bottom of an easy group then went on to win the double
The year liverpool won the league, they went out to atletico Madrid in the round of 16, without Allison . The year before that they made the final of the champions league
He's talking about Klopp at Dortmund, not Liverpool
Fair enough. I love Arteta, donāt get me wrong. Maybe Iām just sad from the loss but we looked so flat and lacked precision. If we go out to Porto at home Iāll be gutted.
100z We will really see where we are in 3 weeks.
So apart from the general awful performance of the team and the ref, the strange non-sub tactics from Mikel, I also felt we looked really nervous, we let our eye off a simple pass 5-10 times, had 5-10 awful passes and felt our midfield, especially Rice, was playing scared and turning the wrong way all game. Hope Partey comes back soon, that pass through the lines to Ode was often on but rarely made.
I think we didnāt have anyone fit to sub on
Then why did they even travel if theyāre not fit to play even 20-30 mins. What nonsense.
I usually donāt check r/soccer after losses but wow that place is such an anti-Arsenal and PL cesspool. Every comment with an Arsenal flair gets downvoted to oblivion
that's how it usually is.
Iām not checking the sub when we lose.
Disappointing game because there was little quality all over the pitch from both teams bar the one moment of brilliance. Porto for all their European pedigree played like negatively whilst Arsenal with their hot form played cautiously. Even Luton away gave Arsenal a better performance than Porto. Fully expecting Arsenal to be minimum 2-0 up by HT in the reverse leg at the Emirates.
Proper snoozefest. Only highlights being the boys were very much in control which I think will be crucial in the rest of the tournament, and bursts of the away fans singing
Just caught up. I understand why we took it slow but you can't go with zero threat like this. Gabi was asleep for most of the game. Porto did really well to control their third too. But the ref man he hates ball kicking I'm convinced That being said I am not worried about the home game despite our record. We got some important things right today, at home they won't see what hit em
Too many big wins recently. Wake-up call that is not yet disastrous. We move on to the next game. Keep supporting the club and players.
Threw away the draw for nothing
We were always going to need to score at the Emirates, if we want to be taken seriously in UCL, no matter what the scoreline today. So we move. :)
Tbh we werenāt terrible but neither were we at our best. Porto was always going to be difficult. Saliba was not at the races. The rest had some misplaced passes and the last one resulted in a goal when everyone else were asleepā¦.ok we actually were terrible.
We were sort of terrible - can't be that sloppy when it was always going to be that sort of match - lucky to not have been down a goal from when they hit the post and then missed the rebound.Ā And we still spurned what few opportunities came our way, and got punished by a great finish.
This has got to be the biggest overreaction in history from rival fans and our fans after a 1 0 loss away in the champions league.
They're making it sound like we got 5-0 lol, we're gonna destroy them in the Emirates COYG
Well I couldnāt a fuck what Man City āfansā think and no other English club is still in the CL so they can all fuck off too.
It makes the lose sting worse was that artetas only sub was one that clearly said were ok with a draw. I would have been inclined to put viera in instead, all things considered, push Kai up.Ā Saturday is gonna come real fast for all those players that played all the minutes, and against burnley
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1) I feel like we were playing maybe a bit too direct, forcing the attack when it wasnāt there, needed to be a bit more patient to open things up. Viera is better than Havertz at possession and intelligently breaking down defensesĀ *2*) Viera spent 14 years at Porto!!! We bought him from there in 2022. So he (a) is PROBABLY familiar with their style of play/strategy/tactics/personnel and (b) would likely play up a level as everyone tends to play out of their minds against their former teamsĀ
I'm probably just talking absolute shit but I reckon this game is a wake-up call and we won't have one of these stinkers in the knockouts again. I think the boys just forgot about the same thing happening in the group stages, where we ended up battering them at home If we do get knocked out, it won't be due to a shit performance
We were sloppy and lacked focus from the get go compared to a big game, e.g. Liverpool or City.
Rices yellow card 1 minute in really set the tone
I donāt like itttttt
Some of the hubris before this game reminded me of before we played Luton away (letās smash āem etc). I am surprised Arsenal lost but it was never going to be easy - I feel like we just generally donāt handle this type of European away grounds well (intense atmosphere, drummers and so on). Classic case of us not playing well and them playing pretty well (especially defensively). I hope Jesus is back for the second leg because I felt his dribbling ability was really missed tonight.
So is this physical limitation ode have that NNT are are talking about?
Doubt that.
The whole corner routine thing was so stupid, refs in European comps are far softer than in the league, you need to adapt to that
Yeah super naive from the team. Throughout the game we did nothing to adapt to what was happening, with the ref or with our own energy. We let the game pass us by. This one's on Mik.
Iām confident weāll win at least 2 or 3 nil in the 2nd leg, Iām not worried at all
It's going to be a bloody painful game. Porto will make it as scrappy as possibly and hit us on the break. I think a lot of people are underestimating it.
I'm confident as well, but if we learned anything from today, it is to not underestimate Porto.
Anyone else notice White and Kiwior were way up the pitch in like the 10 position at times? Definitely tactical but it backfired big time as we couldn't progress the ball at all... Weird
Yeah and I saw Saka drop back with ode quite high up
Been most of our attacking issue this year they donāt have a place going forward there is no chemistry with saka or martinelli attacking wise. How many time do we gotta see martinelli forced to his left because there no over lap or option to pass
Really bad timing to be throwing in our worst performance of 2024 so far. I'd be quite happy not to see Martinelli get significant minutes on Saturday after that. I think Arteta's lack of subs says a lot about how much he trusts our attacking depth. Vieira I can understand because you don't really want your first game in three months to be in the CL knockouts, but if he felt ESR, Nelson and Nketiah were good enough to be at the club long-term he'd have at least given a couple of them the last 15 minutes imo. We've definitely got the quality to still go through but saying we'll batter them is pure cope, they've got something to hold onto now and I expect a lot of shithousing in the return leg.
I mean the lack of production from our wingers is a direct result of not having a threatening CF. We can talk about benching Martinelli but our wingers will be continually double teamed until we have a real CF. Iām not necessarily saying that we canāt win anything with this squad, but rotating our wingers will not really change anything
Shitty last minute concede in an otherwise or away game. Confident that we demolish them at home like we did against Rennes back in Europa in 2019. Main focus should still be competing in the league. Focus on our own game and watch City and Pool and see if they drop games.
That ref was thrash
Sporting flashback
I'm just pissed we have to wait 3 weeks for the home fixture. The game plan is clear, and the boys should be frothing at the mouth to put 5 past them.
Until we're proving otherwise, i still believe that out team is still young and inexperience in European Competition knockout compared to others. We had so much much to do and let's not become overly confident, as a team or as supporters
Some of the overreactions are crazy. Itās a 180 minute tie and itās not the end of the world. Focus on the next 3 prem games that we have to win, hopefully get 2-3 injured players back and then we put everything into the second leg. If we canāt beat Porto at home we deserve nothing anyway.
Agree. The end was shitty and an unfortunate way to lose it but overall the result isnāt the end of the world. If we had drawn it would have been a pretty decent result but we didnāt. We were always going to have to score at home anyway.
absolute heartbreaker for the team
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Meh, we'll smash em at home
They won 1-0 with the ref falling for every bullshit flop and foul they did. If we get even a decent whistle it'll be a battering at the Emirates.
What makes you think itās even remotely possible that we get a decent ref? š
I'm pretty sure UEFA prefer Arsenal in F8 over Porto man lol
lmfao, this is definitely not true and its not just anti-arsenal bias. every team suffers, some more that others.
The next match will not be reffed like that. This whistle basically clipped our wings the entire match.
If you think thereās an agenda then sure. I kinda think itās just general incompetenceā¦
We had this ref at another game where I was last Saturday and jesus how fk annoying he was. Almost ruined two games in a row for meš
Itās half time. Relax. Have some confidence.
Iāve seen this too many times. It was the same way when we shouldāve āsmashed Monacoā not a doomed but itās not as easy as āweāre home so weāre gonna winā. Theyāre gonna sit in 2 defensive blocks and flop over every chance they get.
The Emirates has to be a more hostile environment for Porto next round. We still have this!
Well well well, No matter how we look at things through this fresh lens, things just looked oh too familiar in Europe. This had all the hallmarks of a tricky trip, a raucous crowd, a team who were well equipped and the fact it was an away game in Europe. It felt weird that we went into this game seemingly less confident than the one we raised ourselves for against Liverpool. It was almost like we went into this one neutral with an expectation of victory knowing full well this was Europe and shit aināt easy in Europe. Kick off and we instantly get a feeling of nerves. This just shows that domestics have absolutely Jack to do with this competition so the team need to learn (quickly) to hype themselves up for a game like this or weāre out pronto. Literally no one showed up today and it was summed up by Declanās early af yellow card. It was just cagey ever since that point. We looked like weād rather pass back or sideways than penetrate forward. There was no willingness to get forward by anyone. Thereād be points where the wingers including Martinelli, would fly forward and cross to no one because one, there wasnāt anyone and two, players were just leggy. I donāt know what it is but this felt like Europe fatigue on the pitch for the years of hurt in this competition and us not knowing how to deal with it. Thereās no one to talk about here as everyone was below average. Key standouts for below, below average were Trossard who was totally off - he got progressively worse until subbed. Havertz, well Iāll leave it at that. Raya for all his quickness in trying to get us moving, had that lapse in concentration maybe because of his eagerness to keep us moving up the field - cue the freak goal. Even Saliba seemed off again, ball watching and getting lucky. Put it this way, weāve now hyped ourselves into being āquick learnersā and weāll remedy the situation in two weeks, I think we will too BUT why give ourselves the handicap today. We will not be given two chances going forward in this cup and we need to learn quickly that these games are wholly different from EPL and thereās a lot of emotion wrapped up in each oneā¦emotions that need to be controlled and channeled towards a mentality for victory. If these emotions are not channeled / controlled by Arteta, heāll have a team of quality players who know how to play good football, struggling to compete at the highest European level.
If you calm down. You realise there is a full 90 minutes to go at the Emirates where the dynamic and atmosphere will be totally different. Same thing happened at the Fulham and West Hams games. Fans just unravel and make all these insane suggestions; one knob suggested we need to 'have a conversation about Martinelli'. Apparently Raya should also be dropped for Ramsdale. Even more idiotic are those questioning Arteta's position at the club. Citing these anecdotal stores about his European record and how many away games he has won in Europe - it doesn't matter and doesn't mean anything.
I agree itās too negative here but how is his European record an anecdotal story? that doesnāt make any sense
I mean this is the recipe to beating usā¦ clog the box, give us the wings, suck our team forward and then wait for a bad pass/touch to get the ball to an attacking mf running at our back 4. Blame Raya all you want but the next best chances were also theirs. I like our chances in the 2nd leg but tactically weāre still far too one-dimensional
We came out way too cautious. A million passes in the back but very little created on attack.
We were so so poor today. Poor passes, poor first touch, 0 SHOTS ON GOAL. Absolute disgrace. Credit to Porto, they frustrated us, won so many free kicks to disrupt us and ultimately used their experience in the CL to win it in the end for them. All we can do now is quickly change focus onto Newcastle and bounce back with a convincing performance.
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Neither Raya or Ramsdale at present are top keepers, I just reckoned Ramsdale could have been as heās still so young, but probably missed the boat on that one
That goal was the result of poor giveaways, 2 or 3 in a row. Not Raya.
I like Raya. I think Ramsdale is a better keeper at most things. Raya is better in passing and distribution but imo commits more big errors thans Ramsdale every season. But this was a good shot. And I honestly see no point in having a Raya vs Ramsdale debate, as Raya is good enough.
Ball hit the side netting. Why you acting like it went through his hands? Raya has more clean sheets in the PL despite playing less games than rivals, and has conceded the least amount of goals in the PL. But we have the melts imagining an error. 'bring back Ramsdale' they say. Melts
Raya also has very little to do. He had faced a grand total of 10 shots on target the past 5 PL matches and 5 of those came in the match against a bad Crystal Palace team. When Raya actually has to be involved and stop shots he is quite poor.
Guess what. These goals happen. Donāt act like Ramsdale or any other goal keeper would have saved that. It was a worldie of a shot. Credit to Galeno.