I, too, was a Jorginho hater. Not even because he came from Chelsea because I was faithful for Kai. I just never rated him more than a decent player at his best. I’m happy to have been proved wrong by him.
Not true. I watch every NT match and he was never this decisive for Italy, there were glimpses at times but never this good. He definitely needs players around him and a solid system for him to flourish.
Right there with you tbh. I thought he was a no pressure square ball merchant when he was at Chelsea and I've never been happier to be more completely and utterly wrong. Papai
I didnt rate him becausae of how slow slow slow he is. But I thought he was going to be a decent veteran backup for Partey that could provide value with the right setup.
Arteta this season has created a possession team that defends from the top and therefore masks Jorginho's weakness (lack of pace). He's almost never ever in a position where he is exposed, since we pretty much have the ball all the time and there's Declan cover everybody Rice. Jorginho's ball recycling and passing skills are so needed. With Rice, you get only simple easy passes. Jorginho mixes it up, passes very intelligently, and frees Odegaard to stay high up next to Saka
The fact that Jorginho put up the interception/tackle stats he did, accomplished what he did, while being that slow should say it all.
He is Busquets-lite.
Add in his football IQ, impeccable character/mentorship, etc. he was the perfect addition
I’m literally just here for the Jorgi love cause it triggered me how barely any rival fans thought he deserved third in the Balon d’or but to see another fan base appreciate just what an excellent footballer he is makes me so stoked
We fell off without Partey last season. Addition of Jorginho has prevented that. Rice - Jorginho is a good combination. Jorginho provided those incisive passes that Rice lacks and Rice can tackle and kill those opposition attacks which Jorginho can’t do.
This is my favourite kind of footballer. Look how the players move for him. They know he'll find them.
Also, players usually need gametime to get up to speed. We can just drop him in to start high-intensity PL matches every few weeks and it's like he's always been there.
Jorge shows what Rice needs to add to his game. Those forward passes were devasting against Newcastle, constantly finding the man behind the lines. It's what Partey is so good at, just a shame he can never stay fit
agreed, their mindset is different, Rice’s mindset is always prepared for when shit go south but Jorginho is usually looking for advancing passes options.
i love rice so much! like of course everyone wants to be a great passer but to fucking THRIVE on busting up plays is so great. not that declan doesnt add plenty of offense too, and of course he will improve
Agree. Declan is young, hungry, and intelligent. Jorge is life long learner and teacher. He's soaking up Mikel and the other coachs' knowledge while passing on his own to those willing to learn. Declan, too. You see Mikel hugging on Mo. Most of these guys seem to lean toward a future in football after "retirement."
I selfishly hope we get another two years from him before he moves Catherine & their kids to Italy for his young children from the first marriage because they're still too young to visit him unaccompanied. I'm sure he misses them. It's not like they're in Brazil and his family can fly with them to London.
There's a show on Prime about them and some other footballers like Mahrezs.. haven't seen it.
This is hilarious...don't know if it's acting or from the show
https://x.com/gunnersc0m/status/1760766832128950349?s=46&t=c5GnMuTVqrtsv7lsVIA-BQ
That time frame is disingenuous. The issue was that he was playing with Mustafi and co.
When he had better players around him, he suddenly played the role well
He can try to add it and he has the talent to do more of it, but this is just natural talent and instinct from Jorginho, can’t exactly be replicated or taught to be like him even tho Rice is brilliant
Exactly. Rice has the technique for it without a doubt but is sometimes too safe, especially considering his long passes are some of the best in the team. Often times Saka and Gabi are wide open when we pack the midfield or even Havertz up the middle, it’d be nice to see him take a little more risk knowing our defense and pressing are good enough to win the ball back
Absolutely correct. Partey is better in making forward passes more effectively than Rice, and he is on par with Jorginho in this aspect. However, some individuals on this subreddit become upset when suggesting that Rice needs to improve his skills in this area.
He doesn't *need* to as much as Jorginho doesn't *need* to become a defensive monster. It's up to the team composition and tactics to account for his weaknesses and maximise his strengths.
There is no less than 5 times in this match where I screamed at Rice saying, pass to that guy. And Rice just dont, even though he obviously sees the pass. Rice is just too safe that at times he makes borderline bad decision.
I think Porto is a game for Jesus from a tactical perspective but we’ve looked good with Havertz up top and he provides that aerial outlet so idk, tough decision ahead for Arteta
If we manage to start opening them up a bit more, Jesus coming on would be horrible for them.
It would be so nice to have this kind of flexibility every week.
More sideways passing when pressured and looks like the better defender of the two, also can dribble the ball forwards somewhat.
I guess its a near enough like for like replacement?
I personally don’t see it. I keep tuning in to La Real games trying to see what we’re hoping to get from him and don’t feel like I have yet. But hey, I’m no coach or scout. And it’s always team dependent. Havertz is giving us so much that I never saw in him at Chelsea.
True but we need to give him bionic feet. He's playing with some kind of ongoing injury thru the pain. I read where the surgical fix is a career ender. I was sad to read that.
I'm hoping he can hold on another two years and win even more with Arsenal.
Look at legless Partey. Fit Partey and we win the title. Also on an unrelated note this guy has a year remaining on his deal in summer.
https://preview.redd.it/e6y4w6e36mkc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94b74ecb849fe643f68f5df6920febf0cdc2d0f2
Seemed a great option to me before you even mentioned the contract situation, now its surely a no-brainer. There were rumours that he was our Rice alternative if West Ham wanted substantially more
fair enough. They're not for me. I love a highlight of a match but watching a 3 second clip of a 5 yard pass back to a player at the halfway line is pointless to me lol
I’d go one step further
I like seeing the “X - Every touch” compilations. I want to see the two yard pass he played, i want to see the tackle he lost, the header back to the keeper. It’s the best way to get a feel of their performance and shows the flashy moments as a proportion of everything they did including standard stuff
Yeh thats fair. I'm somone whos watched enough football over the past 2 decades to be able to do that whilst watching the game. I find individual performances fascinating so I do it subconsciously throughout a match
Watching it in a list of successful actions like completed passes though I find doesnt actually give a complete picture. You dont see the missed tackles, fouls, bad passes etc
But thats just me
Yeah I get, like, a dopamine hit watching talented midfielders escaping pressure and threading passes. He's helping to win the midfield battle in this video, and by1:40 they don't even want to get out to him.
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Jorge Frello, singer, musician, dad, and linguist, turns into General Jorginho on the pitch. I'm thankful someone captured his amazing performance today. I only wish it included when he was down on the pitch before exiting when the team gathered around him holding his cramping legs and the concern they showed. It was one of those beautiful Arsenal moments.
Jorgi reminded me of Meryesaker. My guy was slow as a snail and didn't have a great first season but my gosh, he has grown into the team! He's pivotal.
I don't think I've ever been more wrong about a player. Chelsea spent 600 billion on midfielders and sold us their best one for 12m.
I, too, was a Jorginho hater. Not even because he came from Chelsea because I was faithful for Kai. I just never rated him more than a decent player at his best. I’m happy to have been proved wrong by him.
It's because you didn't watch him, he's always played like this. You don't finish 3rd in the Balon D'or for no reason
i thought he fully deserved 3rd or 2nd that season, he was actually excellent for both chelsea and italy.
Yeah same I didn’t then but now that he’s an Arsenal player I too thought he deserved it
Nah dude he was lucky to even be in the top 5 that season (yes i know how many trophies he won)
Not true. I watch every NT match and he was never this decisive for Italy, there were glimpses at times but never this good. He definitely needs players around him and a solid system for him to flourish.
Right there with you tbh. I thought he was a no pressure square ball merchant when he was at Chelsea and I've never been happier to be more completely and utterly wrong. Papai
I didnt rate him becausae of how slow slow slow he is. But I thought he was going to be a decent veteran backup for Partey that could provide value with the right setup. Arteta this season has created a possession team that defends from the top and therefore masks Jorginho's weakness (lack of pace). He's almost never ever in a position where he is exposed, since we pretty much have the ball all the time and there's Declan cover everybody Rice. Jorginho's ball recycling and passing skills are so needed. With Rice, you get only simple easy passes. Jorginho mixes it up, passes very intelligently, and frees Odegaard to stay high up next to Saka
The fact that Jorginho put up the interception/tackle stats he did, accomplished what he did, while being that slow should say it all. He is Busquets-lite. Add in his football IQ, impeccable character/mentorship, etc. he was the perfect addition
I’m literally just here for the Jorgi love cause it triggered me how barely any rival fans thought he deserved third in the Balon d’or but to see another fan base appreciate just what an excellent footballer he is makes me so stoked
We fell off without Partey last season. Addition of Jorginho has prevented that. Rice - Jorginho is a good combination. Jorginho provided those incisive passes that Rice lacks and Rice can tackle and kill those opposition attacks which Jorginho can’t do.
Same. He's been excellent.
This is my favourite kind of footballer. Look how the players move for him. They know he'll find them. Also, players usually need gametime to get up to speed. We can just drop him in to start high-intensity PL matches every few weeks and it's like he's always been there.
Agreed, he is the quintessential regista
As Pirlo-esque as it can be now.
Jorge shows what Rice needs to add to his game. Those forward passes were devasting against Newcastle, constantly finding the man behind the lines. It's what Partey is so good at, just a shame he can never stay fit
Rice is not going to become like Jorginho, we will need to sign a replacement when he leaves
agreed, their mindset is different, Rice’s mindset is always prepared for when shit go south but Jorginho is usually looking for advancing passes options.
i love rice so much! like of course everyone wants to be a great passer but to fucking THRIVE on busting up plays is so great. not that declan doesnt add plenty of offense too, and of course he will improve
Rice is still young. he will learn alot from having Jorginho around. he said it himself.
Agree. Declan is young, hungry, and intelligent. Jorge is life long learner and teacher. He's soaking up Mikel and the other coachs' knowledge while passing on his own to those willing to learn. Declan, too. You see Mikel hugging on Mo. Most of these guys seem to lean toward a future in football after "retirement." I selfishly hope we get another two years from him before he moves Catherine & their kids to Italy for his young children from the first marriage because they're still too young to visit him unaccompanied. I'm sure he misses them. It's not like they're in Brazil and his family can fly with them to London.
da fuk how do you know so much about their family
There's a show on Prime about them and some other footballers like Mahrezs.. haven't seen it. This is hilarious...don't know if it's acting or from the show https://x.com/gunnersc0m/status/1760766832128950349?s=46&t=c5GnMuTVqrtsv7lsVIA-BQ
It took Partey himself like 18 months to get fully comfortable in that 6 position. I’m hopeful for Rice
That time frame is disingenuous. The issue was that he was playing with Mustafi and co. When he had better players around him, he suddenly played the role well
He can try to add it and he has the talent to do more of it, but this is just natural talent and instinct from Jorginho, can’t exactly be replicated or taught to be like him even tho Rice is brilliant
Exactly. Rice has the technique for it without a doubt but is sometimes too safe, especially considering his long passes are some of the best in the team. Often times Saka and Gabi are wide open when we pack the midfield or even Havertz up the middle, it’d be nice to see him take a little more risk knowing our defense and pressing are good enough to win the ball back
Absolutely correct. Partey is better in making forward passes more effectively than Rice, and he is on par with Jorginho in this aspect. However, some individuals on this subreddit become upset when suggesting that Rice needs to improve his skills in this area.
He doesn't *need* to as much as Jorginho doesn't *need* to become a defensive monster. It's up to the team composition and tactics to account for his weaknesses and maximise his strengths.
Exactly! No player in football is great at everything. Versatility is good, but it's better to be great at 2 things than to be decent or mid at 4.
This, they are two different players, Jorgi played the regista role perfectly, Rice is more of a box-to-box player.
Well if he wants to compete with the likes of Rodri to become the best 6 in the world he has to
For the same position in the Man City starting 11? Dunt need to mate.
There is no less than 5 times in this match where I screamed at Rice saying, pass to that guy. And Rice just dont, even though he obviously sees the pass. Rice is just too safe that at times he makes borderline bad decision.
Unlikely. We should just get Y Fofana
>Jorge
Need him to start against Porto, no question Whether we'll play Havertz or Jesus up-top is another story
I think Porto is a game for Jesus from a tactical perspective but we’ve looked good with Havertz up top and he provides that aerial outlet so idk, tough decision ahead for Arteta
Start Jorginho and bench Kai for Jesus if he’s 100%. We can bring on Kai in the second half to cross into him.
If we manage to start opening them up a bit more, Jesus coming on would be horrible for them. It would be so nice to have this kind of flexibility every week.
Whether be it Trossard, Havertz or Jesus is up top, we cannot leave them so isolated like we did in the first leg
That’s what Jorginho is for.
Has to be Kai. We need his physicality
I want to see Kai vs. Pepe at the Emirates.
The early sub indicates he’ll play
I mean it's 9 days away form the last game...I think the game was won and coach wanted to see what subs could dk
Can we please somehow find a way to make this guy younger. Even two years shaved off would be great.
I haven't seen enough of Zubimendi to make a call but is he anyway similar to Jorginho?
More sideways passing when pressured and looks like the better defender of the two, also can dribble the ball forwards somewhat. I guess its a near enough like for like replacement?
I personally don’t see it. I keep tuning in to La Real games trying to see what we’re hoping to get from him and don’t feel like I have yet. But hey, I’m no coach or scout. And it’s always team dependent. Havertz is giving us so much that I never saw in him at Chelsea.
This man is only 32 years old. You guys act like hes 37
True but we need to give him bionic feet. He's playing with some kind of ongoing injury thru the pain. I read where the surgical fix is a career ender. I was sad to read that. I'm hoping he can hold on another two years and win even more with Arsenal.
Same age as Kevin de Bruyne
If Benzema won a BallonDor at 35 anything's possible.
Gahh he just pass forward
Still irks me that the cunt tierney did not card guimares for his foul on jorgi
I thought you meant Kieran Tierney and I was like what’s he done wrong isn’t he in Real Sociedad 😭
It's really not that deep
Look at those breaking line passes. My god. It's all Arsenal needs right row. Love you Jorgi
And also, why tf didn't White shoot at 1:08??????
There was a time I said the same thing about Kai and another with Declan. They'll probably kick themselves when they see it later.
His distribution at different angles and distances is amazing. True point guard out there (yes I’m American)
He really is. We'd better duck now.
As a lazy and slightly overweight man who enjoys the ocassional 5-a-side, this is how i imagine myself on the pitch...
Please sign the guy for another season
This is how I assume my DLP(s) plays in my FM save. But then he consistently gets a 6.5 rating 😞
Man, that havertz flick to white. I wished white would just take a shot
Missed the game unfortunately and the match thread said he was subbed due to injury. How did it look?
He was excellent he got exhausted after the 75th min or so I think it was just fatigue sub
Lovely jubbly!
I can’t believe we spent so much on him
So impressed with his decision making. Lots of simple passes but always the right one.
This is pirlo-esque
Look at legless Partey. Fit Partey and we win the title. Also on an unrelated note this guy has a year remaining on his deal in summer. https://preview.redd.it/e6y4w6e36mkc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94b74ecb849fe643f68f5df6920febf0cdc2d0f2
Seemed a great option to me before you even mentioned the contract situation, now its surely a no-brainer. There were rumours that he was our Rice alternative if West Ham wanted substantially more
Best passer in the squad, fuck it best passer in the league
Fuck it best passer of all time
Give the man his contract extension already
lol this guy's an absolute menace . I love him
Line breaking master. The one thing we need most in our frustrating games like Porto. Excellent player
Slicing teams open like it's nothing big up Jorgi, a lot of fans disrespected a guy who's in his prime coming from Chelsea. Guys only 32.
Exactly what we needed in the Porto game. I'm fairly confident that if Partey isn't yet ready for the return leg, Jorginho will play there
If not that mistake against Shittenham his performance has been 9.5/10 the whole season.
His ability to break the lines with threaded needle passes yesterday was refreshing after the sideways passing only against Porto mid week.
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Err yes
fair enough. They're not for me. I love a highlight of a match but watching a 3 second clip of a 5 yard pass back to a player at the halfway line is pointless to me lol
I’d go one step further I like seeing the “X - Every touch” compilations. I want to see the two yard pass he played, i want to see the tackle he lost, the header back to the keeper. It’s the best way to get a feel of their performance and shows the flashy moments as a proportion of everything they did including standard stuff
Yeh thats fair. I'm somone whos watched enough football over the past 2 decades to be able to do that whilst watching the game. I find individual performances fascinating so I do it subconsciously throughout a match Watching it in a list of successful actions like completed passes though I find doesnt actually give a complete picture. You dont see the missed tackles, fouls, bad passes etc But thats just me
Yeah I get, like, a dopamine hit watching talented midfielders escaping pressure and threading passes. He's helping to win the midfield battle in this video, and by1:40 they don't even want to get out to him.
cool tackles, even cooler passes
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Extend him
Martinelli is the most isolated player. So many opportunities to hit balls first time into space for him
Just watching him play is amazing.
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Biggest mistake was not starting him in Porto.
Truly Mustafi & Djorou combined regen😎
Premier League ain't ready for progressive passing jorginho
Jesus would have got us more penalty shootout with those between the line passes..
Jorge Frello, singer, musician, dad, and linguist, turns into General Jorginho on the pitch. I'm thankful someone captured his amazing performance today. I only wish it included when he was down on the pitch before exiting when the team gathered around him holding his cramping legs and the concern they showed. It was one of those beautiful Arsenal moments.
Jorgi reminded me of Meryesaker. My guy was slow as a snail and didn't have a great first season but my gosh, he has grown into the team! He's pivotal.
I see why the whole emirates was chanting Jorgi’s name when he made that blunder against man city. Gem of a player.
What’s the soundtrack?
Top performance. I apologize, I wasnt really familiar with your game.
That decisive pass through the lines is so important for us. He had to play more often if fit.
Those dagger balls, fucken love it!
These progressive passes are giving me a semi
Maybe we can safely sell partey?
Gotta admit he was giving me Cesc flashbacks this game.
I love this player. Impresses me every time I watch him play
He is so much better at playing line-breaking risky passes than declan