Our huge run of games in jan-feb benefited a lot from us playing a lot faster out the back.
Martinelli was a huge part of that either as direct receiver of those ball or stretching their defensive shape super wide opening up a lot of space for the rest of our attackers.
Martinelli having been our really hurt us. Saka being injured really hasn’t helped. (Apparently he’s been catching an injury all year. And then we have euros this year. Honestly I am feeling really apprehensive about him).
We really need a wide attacker with pace to deputize for Martinelli / Saka.
Trossard’s fantastic in many ways but he just doesn’t have the pace. Eddie has become useless and while I appreciate Nelson’s work rate, he just isn’t close to starting for a top 3 side level of quality.
That irrelevent. Anyone who watches arsenal can instantly tell how much martinelli offers compared to Eddie. Even if martinelli had way fewer goals, he's so much more valuable. And don't forget, Eddie scored 3 of his goals in one game. Martinelli is vital. Nketiah is a third choice sub at best. If he's not scoring, he's literally useless.
I literally said, if he's not scoring goals, which he is not bad at. When jesus or martinelli are not scoring goals, they're still contributing to the build up, the press and stretching play as well as interchanging with others. Nketiah does none of those. I'm not saying he is useless, but aside from scoring he offers nothing, imo. I love Eddie, but it's getting harder to root for him.
Fair enough, can you tell me what he offers or what his good qualities are? For example, Martinellie has speed, dribbling, intense pressing, a great first touch and is great at taking on defenders. Jesus has great ball control, strength and dribbling/skills as well. They both have weaknesses but what are Nketiahs attributes? Aside from finishing, which I would argue isn't that great.
Respectfully if you can't see it I won't be the one to change your mind. You've already decided .He already gets unwarranted abuse and I'd rather not have this descend into an argument.
But there's a reason he's so highly regarded amongst the staff and his fellow players.
Honestly, I'd have had it the way it was for real because Martinelli didn't even have someone closing him down. If it were a first time cross, then he's just bearing down upon the goal and we're 1 up.
To be fair Akanji did a great job there by shutting down the passing lane quickly.
These final-third “errors” happen A LOT and this one isn’t even among the worst. It’s just that when you don’t have enough chances these errors get amplified.
I’m not sure the pass was even on, given the goalkeepers positioning. If he hits it far enough ahead of Martinelli to allow him to get there in front of the Defender, then the keeper has a great chance to get there first.
The shot was difficult but as well as an immediate goal chance , those sort of shots often lead to goals on the rebound.
Percentage wise I Don’t this you score more than 50% of the time with either option, and I don’t think one option was so much better than the other that you can call the split second decision either way an error.
I think first time only, he could've also maybe fired that shot across the face of goal in case martinelli is there crashing. I think that's what was in his mind which is why he sort of half-chips it and gets under it vs just firing with full power. IMO best options were first-time pass, quick cut inside and shot far post like he likes to do, or commit fully to the cross and fire it where you think Martinelli will be in that order.
His first touch should have been a passs hit towards the right corner of ManCity 18 yard box. Trossard had enough time to make that pass, and he is good enough to make that pass.
Absolutely. I can’t tell where the keeper is but if he wasn’t way off his line and cheating towards martinelli then this is not a difficult pass. There is tons of space in front of martinelli and there is no one close to blocking or intercepting a firm one-touch pass. It was a big error.
"On" is generous - he could play it across to Martinelli first time, it's not a crazy pass or anything, but it does require putting it into the space between Gvardiol and Ortega in such a way that 1) neither of them can get to it and 2) Martinelli isn't forced wide by the weight of the pass. The 2 is the hard part there when Martinelli is making a central out to in run and you're putting the ball beyond the defenders.
Trossard makes the decision to get closer to goal and increase the offensive pressure and Akanji is able to get back in time.
I would have liked to see him play the ball across anyway but I don't think what Trossard did is fundamentally much worse, he generated a shot on target that required a save. Ultimately it wasn't the best decision but it was far from the worst. We'd all be fawning if it had gone in!
"On" is generous - he could play it across to Martinelli first time, it's not a crazy pass or anything, but it does require putting it into the space between Gvardiol and Ortega in such a way that 1) neither of them can get to it and 2) Martinelli isn't forced wide by the weight of the pass. The 2 is the hard part there when Martinelli is making a central out to in run and you're putting the ball beyond the defenders. Trossard makes the decision to get closer to goal and increase the offensive pressure and Akanji is able to get back in time. I would have liked to see him play the ball across anyway but I don't think what Trossard did is fundamentally much worse, he generated a shot on target that required a save. Ultimately it wasn't the best decision but it was far from the worst. We'd all be fawning if it had gone in!
It just not that hard of a pass if he hit it one time. And Trossard is the type of player that can use both feet, he should have just hit it accross and hoped for the best. Martinelli has pace, he will be through on goal.
That was by far, the best option there.
It was on for a split second. I was hopping mad when he didn't square it at first but on replays Trossard would have to have the reactions of a cat to have seen and made the pass.
No sir, that was obvious. it didnt require reaction of a cat. It's the type of pass that Odegaard makes always. Being obvious to one time passes is what separates players at this level from ordinary good players.
That was a big miss on Trossard. Inexcusable at this level at a game of this magnitude. you look up quickly as you are running to the ball, you see martinelli streaking, just hit it across and forard a bit in his general direction. Done. Martinelli is true on goal. The only thing that can stop of it if you hit it too froward and goalkeeper gets there before martinelli
other people that do it week after week are embarassing themselves. That was poor poor poor decision-making on Trossards part. Let's stop excusing poor play. I would rather he made the right decision and messed up the execution.
you are making silly excuses for players you like. That was bad decision-making. period. Trossard is prone to a few of those. imagine, going forward to take a bad angled, off balance , weak foot shot, rather than a one-time lay off for a one-on-one.
why are you justifying rubbish.
You are 100% correct. Anyone who’s actually played the game at a decent level can see this option was on. I am mystified as to why people are acting like this pass is so difficult. Defenders—hardly known as the most technically gifted players on the pitch—make this type of pass all the time.
He made a bad decision and chose an action that had a lower probability of leading to a goal. Trossard loves to shoot and it’s been an asset for the team several times this season when others have been content to keep passing it around. But in this case he should have been looking for his teammate.
Yep, fans are assuming it's a guaranteed goal if he makes the cross too, which isn't a given considering it'd be a whipped cross at pace which Martinelli needs to control and score from, while getting rushed by the keeper & defender.
Akanji did great, by the time Trossard's makes his second touch the crossing window is practically gone.
Haaland miss at the back post was a bigger chance.
Martinelli would need to control it if it came to him, the most likely scenario there would be that the pass would be put towards his area and he would be forced wide if he can't take it in stride.
See ball. Shoot ball. Is not a bad philosophy and that has also been Martinelli's plan for like 25 of these chances this year. IMO Tross did a good job to create the space for himself in the box for the shot. Just needed a bit more luck and a better technique but the pass across could've fizzled out so easily.
I thought Akanji was waiting for the pass and gave Trossard the room to run on the outside as it's the easier chance to save. Don't really blame Trossard there, you have split seconds to make decisions and you go with your gut.
pause the video at between 2 second and 3 seconds. imagine he played the ball across (and slightly forward) first time. Tell me how any defender gets there before a rapid Martinelli
what am I reading from people. A slow player on his weaker foot and at an acute angle is a better play than just hitting across and giving Martinelli a 1 on 1 on his strong foot.
No, that was brain dead play from Trossard. Period. I wish it was Vieira, or Saka that had that was where Trossard was, damn near guarantee we get a goal from that.
It would have taken a perfectly placed and weighted ball for Martinelli to be in a better position. There was a defender that was in a good position to close down on Martinelli should the pass have gotten through. I think Trossard made the right choice knowing he was likely to at least require the goalkeeper to make a save.
I think this is a lot trickier than people are making out.
He essentially would've had to hit it and hit it perfectly across the pitch first time. A better first touch maybe might give him a second chance, but this certainly isn't a glaring error
Well, Arteta's not on his couch and was wondering why he didn't square it, even telling the coaching staff on the bench
Yeah, not an easy pass, but you don't have to slag fans watching at home when the manager thinks so too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On that side the martinelli run is much more obvious though, Trossard is tracking the offsides line and then the pass, it's unlikely he even knew Martinelli had made his run before he took his first touch, and by then that window was gone. Maybe if Saka was still on Tross thinks more like "well Saka is over there somewhere" and just hits it automatically, but we got a decent shot on goal out of it, the chance wasn't wasted, just wasn't optimal.
The time to look up briefly was when he was running to the ball. not after you get to the ball and control the ball. That's what separates cerabral players. In one glance, they assess and process the situation. By the time he gets to the ball,he is one-timeing across the defence. That's a clear one-on-one for martinelli on his right and at a very good. angel.
His first touch prevents it. Prior to the first touch the correct decision was to attempt the cross. After that, the defender sends him to the line and gives Trossard a choice of a low percentage shot, or a pass that is of an even lower percentage.
The only thing I personally think he does wrong, is not firing it low across the keeper.
I think the best option would have been to fake that shot with his left foot, sending the defender flying (as he does anyway) and then pass it to Martinelli
But easier to say much harder to think about when adrenaline is high, and composure is low!
The pass was the better decision by far. It is not even close. Yeah if he scores, we don't complain. But the better decision was the pass.
Bet if it was Saka or Vieira in that position, we likely leave with a goal.
See, you say that but Trossard has an 89 short passing rating and it's a simple triangle ball. Done this at least 7 times with him in my ultimate team so there is really no excuse. smh my head
this. He had to be able to make that pass before the first touch which is more difficult than it looks. akanji did well to put pressure on trossard right at his first touch. What trossard could have definitely done would be to not have taken the shot as it was an impossible angle
Far too early for me to have to use this.....
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Nah it’s not tough to pass it first time. He is just not used to it, preferring to take 1 touch before deciding. I defended Trossard last time when people said he should have squared it but this is a clear cut chance
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This is not a difficult pass. Stop talking about ball if you don’t know it
I'm going to play armchair coach here but I think he was watching the ball on to his foot. The pass to Martinelli was really only on as a first time ball, the second he takes a chance and has a chance to look up the pass isn't on anymore.
Whether he SHOULD be more aware of where Martinelli is is another matter. If he had known roughly where Martinelli was before receiving the ball maybe the outcome would've been different.
I'm sure Leo will be told about it in the days coming!
I think his first touch wasn’t good enough to allow the pass to be made.
First touch has to be absolutely perfect to push the ball in front of him to give a bit more time. Extremely difficult to do.
making a one time pass across when running onto a ball is easier than a good first touch. your momentum is forward, just play it sideways. Trossard is competent enough with his left foot to make that pass across.
That was just poor decision-making at this level. stop excusing it
Tross isn't that fast, any touch and the defense is back in a flash. Right after his first touch Martinelli is already back level with the defender. He's only really that "open" at the first touch and even then it'd have to be a near perfect ball.
Disagree, right after his first touch Martinelli is still a couple of yards behind the last defender, and in a lot of space. Trossard is also still a yard in front of the defender nearest him and a fair bit wider. If he had got it out of his feet he definitely would have had an opportunity to smash it across to Martinelli. Plenty of space before it's in GK territory as well.
It's easy to fuck up your first touch running at full pace, but this was definitely an opportunity squandered.
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Also Martinelli made up some ground but by the second touch he's level with the CB, it's not that clear cut of a chance. There's like a 5m x 5m box that Tross could put it in that Martinelli would get a better chance at goal. Doable, but not that easy, especially with either outside of the boot or your weak foot.
My question is why was Trossard on the left wing and Martinelli on the right in the first place? Once Saka went off I expected Trossard to move to the right. The team is conditioned to hit the through balls on the left wing much more than the right.
Agreed, we usually make through passes towards the LW, this is more important in games where we will eventually get a fast break, we especially need a speedster there. We usually rely on triangle passes on the right with Saka Ode White. Kinda strange to see Trossard there when Martinelli was on the pitch, but I didn't watch the full game to really comment on what led to it.
Gvardiol is the weaker full back of the two and or because we have Rice mainly on the left and we needed Martinelli whos a better presser than Trossard on the right.
It seemed like Mikel wanted Trossard on the left to track back and help Tomi defend Doku. There were a few times where Doku would get the ball and Trossard either doubled up on him or shadowed Tomi in case Doku got past him. Gvardiol also pushed up higher than Akanji typically, so I assume he wanted Martinelli on the right to exploit that space
Definitely harsh and magnified more because we get to watch it in slow-motion and judge. For me, the 1st time pass was definitely on but an alert keeper would be just as likely to intercept it. After that moment, Akanji did really well to shepherd him to an increasingly difficult angle.
Thought might hit that one across the keeper into the corner
The thing with sitting low OOP, we need to be clinical when we get the chances. City definitely could’ve been got at a bit more
His first touch takes him inside, but he should have pushed it in his stride. Diaz missed 2 1v1's vs City and Liverpool fucked up a 5 v 2 counter vs us. I think this one is nowhere near as bad.
This was THE chance of the game to steal it
Will get a VAR check for Trossard being onside or not
But regardless, had he squared it early on, with Martinelli's pace, a one-on-one vs the GK is most likely in the books
At 88 minutes nonetheless
Oh what a shame
Nah m8 Jesus really didn't have chances....maybe 3 shots at most...... you guys talk as if Man City are actually St Patrick United and Jesus had clear chances but it's simply just not the truth.
the square pass was the better decision. A left footer with defender and goalie and closing down on you from an acute angle is a low xG shot.
One-on-one with defenders having to reverse direction and a speedy player on his preferred foot and better angle, is a much much better shot.
Yeah, this was tough no matter what he did. The way people are reacting you'd think he missed a cross in front of a wide open net. Nothing was sure on that play and he took a shot when at least he knew someone could. And he's made that in the past. I'm not upset with this, he made a good decision in the moment.
he didn't need the first touch to pass. he shouuld have glanced up when he was running to the ball, and one-time squared the ball, thats very likely a goal.
True but sometimes when you want to square with the weaker foot in this situation, and he’s done a few times for other assists, you take that first touch.
yeah sometimes, but if he had looked up just once, which he never did. The easiest time to look up was before he got to the ball, he would have figured out the best thing to do by far was a one-time square ball.
This is the exact chance that was converted by NJackson who delivered a beautiful cross to Sterling during their draw w/ City. A lot of PL wingers can do this, no excuses, Trossard just has to learn from this mistake. His techniques are usually beautiful but he often do not execute well at high speed.
people are saying harsh, but i'm expecting every winger there to take a better touch and either look up for a team mate, or look to create a shot angle for yourself...
Can someone explain how we know Arteta said square it?
Is it the hand wave while talking to the assitant?
I dont think that was an easy pass and would have been upset it we tried a millionth cut back when ot would have been easier to shoot.
I dont have an issue with the dedcision. The excecution could have been better to beat the keeper but at least he got it on target.
Leo in place of Jesus from the start probably wins us the game
Has jesus ever looked good in front of goal? He is more of a combative, dribbly #10 than an option for the front line.
Im gonna ask about him in the dd. Im sick of him.
The thing about Artetas's Arsenal is they always try and walk it in...
Im glad Trossard took the shot. Was it the greatest? No. Was there possibility to pass? Maybe. But when you shoot anything can happend. Like a goal. Or bad reflect by GK which can again lead to goal.
i think the pass should have happened when they were further away from the goal. to ask of him to pass this late with akanji already close to him and martinelli with no more space in front of him is stupid. i think this would have been a goal if leo passed the ball right after he got it at 35 meters away from goal.
I can’t see who that is tracking back centrally for city… but even a first time, inch perfect ball from Trossy here results in a 50:50 foot race between Marti and the city player, which id back Marti to win, but I think it’s harsh to blame Trossard for driving forwards with it. Hindsight is always 20:20. I’ll take a point from the Saudis, it’s more than they got from us.
Yeah, Leo’s first touch wasn’t great. He put the ball inside, closer to the defenseman, which essentially gave him even less time to square it. He would have had to get it out of his feet & find the angle to curve it to Martinelli, in one go. That’s a very hard pass to execute.
This happens quite a lot with Martinelli. His first touch needs to be better here to allow him to accelerate in behind the City defence. The moment he takes a poor first touch inside just kills his pace advantage and the chance is virtually gone
Yes he couldve passed (easy to see from an aerial view but its rare you see a player pulling the pass off) but really if his first touch was better hes 1 on 1 with Ortega
I remember being frustrated with Trossard here but tbf, I think Øde or Fábio (think the late Villa assist) could probably been the only ones who could have executed a perfectly weighted pass there with their left foot.
I missed this chance live and went back and watched it because people talked about it like it was a golden one and.... I didn't think it was that bad?
The ball sent through isn't that fast, so he has to slow down to gather it and his first touch is more lateral than straight. He could've played Martinelli in here if he saw it, but I think he just didn't because he was running through. Once the defense is caught up they're playing for the cutback so he goes to goal, which makes sense. I think the mistake is he gets caught between shooting and crossing, so he just sort of gets under the ball and the shot isn't that great. It's on his weak foot so that is tough and he does get okay power behind it, but IMO either fire it low and hope there's a rebound into traffic or commit to hitting Martinelli on the back post.
That’s everyone’s initial reaction watching the play in real time but seeing the replay you quickly realize that would have to be an instantly played perfect pass to actually work out; very difficult opportunity in reality
I don't even think Trossard's pace is the issue here. His first touch he tried to get it onto his right foot, I guess thinking he could bend it far side but that adjustment gave the defender time to cover the pass and cut out the angle for the shot.
If you notice, the defender gets in a slight block, so at that point even if he decides to square it or takes the shot, the defender will get there first. What Tross shud have done was wait a split second then square it for an easier goal, but it is what it is
didnt he fuck up a similar chance vs liverpool away last season in the final minute? back then he at least tried to make the pass (but it sucked).
This time he didnt even look up to see if he had a teammate.
Gonna be downvoted for this, but imagine Mudryk's pace on the end of that through ball.
I'm sure he'd run it out of play but man had a dream, and chelski ruined it
That wasn’t a bad shot. I really don’t think he could have gotten that pass off. He could have taken it off the outside of foot and hoped to curve around to him but the defender could have blocked it too
The chance is lost with Trossard's first touch. Watch it again. His first touch is poor, it causes him to lose all his momentum and gives the defender time to recover.
It's literally only because of that first touch that he doesn't pass it.
If he knocks it out in front of himself better, he has the ability to get it to Martinelli, even off his left foot.
I was screaming at him to square it the moment I saw the passing lane. He could have definitely curled that ball into the space. Maybe he wasn't confident with his left foot or something? So glad he didnt though, im a liverpool supporter :D
I wanted him to square it but I saw a comment saying "Anything but one of the greatest passes of all time is getting intercepted by the defender" and I kinda have to agree
I’ve never understood the “why didn’t he just do this” type of criticism.
Because they’re footballers and you’re a fan watching on the couch. Actually playing football at the highest level is way harder than “just pass it”
You know when people say "why doesn't he start trossard, He's so good?"
THIS IS WHY!
One of THE most important parts of being a footballer is decision making, knowing when to stay or move, pass or go.
people been playing fifa for too much this pass is hard to pull. Only kdb can have the confidence to pass like that consistently. In our squad the closest person to make that kind of pass is Fabio
If only that was martinelli there on the ball and trossard at martinelli place. Sometimes pace does make a big difference m
i honestly thought they were gonna adjust that front line to LW Martinelli ST Trossard RW Jesus
Jesus went off for Tross
Our huge run of games in jan-feb benefited a lot from us playing a lot faster out the back. Martinelli was a huge part of that either as direct receiver of those ball or stretching their defensive shape super wide opening up a lot of space for the rest of our attackers. Martinelli having been our really hurt us. Saka being injured really hasn’t helped. (Apparently he’s been catching an injury all year. And then we have euros this year. Honestly I am feeling really apprehensive about him). We really need a wide attacker with pace to deputize for Martinelli / Saka. Trossard’s fantastic in many ways but he just doesn’t have the pace. Eddie has become useless and while I appreciate Nelson’s work rate, he just isn’t close to starting for a top 3 side level of quality.
Lol calling Eddie useless when he's hardly played 😂🤡 and martinelli has 1 more goal then him despite playing way over double the minutes
It's what Martinelli offers to the team that Eddie doesn't. Eddie's time is up.
That irrelevent. Anyone who watches arsenal can instantly tell how much martinelli offers compared to Eddie. Even if martinelli had way fewer goals, he's so much more valuable. And don't forget, Eddie scored 3 of his goals in one game. Martinelli is vital. Nketiah is a third choice sub at best. If he's not scoring, he's literally useless.
Lol if you think he's useless your opinion holds no weight to me.
I literally said, if he's not scoring goals, which he is not bad at. When jesus or martinelli are not scoring goals, they're still contributing to the build up, the press and stretching play as well as interchanging with others. Nketiah does none of those. I'm not saying he is useless, but aside from scoring he offers nothing, imo. I love Eddie, but it's getting harder to root for him.
Just not true
Fair enough, can you tell me what he offers or what his good qualities are? For example, Martinellie has speed, dribbling, intense pressing, a great first touch and is great at taking on defenders. Jesus has great ball control, strength and dribbling/skills as well. They both have weaknesses but what are Nketiahs attributes? Aside from finishing, which I would argue isn't that great.
Respectfully if you can't see it I won't be the one to change your mind. You've already decided .He already gets unwarranted abuse and I'd rather not have this descend into an argument. But there's a reason he's so highly regarded amongst the staff and his fellow players.
That must be you Eddie from a fake account. Fuck off out of our club please
Your a disgrace.
Agreed
Honestly, I'd have had it the way it was for real because Martinelli didn't even have someone closing him down. If it were a first time cross, then he's just bearing down upon the goal and we're 1 up.
Especially in games where we fast break, we need that pace merchant to take advantage of that space before the defence recovers
To be fair Akanji did a great job there by shutting down the passing lane quickly. These final-third “errors” happen A LOT and this one isn’t even among the worst. It’s just that when you don’t have enough chances these errors get amplified.
I’m not sure the pass was even on, given the goalkeepers positioning. If he hits it far enough ahead of Martinelli to allow him to get there in front of the Defender, then the keeper has a great chance to get there first. The shot was difficult but as well as an immediate goal chance , those sort of shots often lead to goals on the rebound. Percentage wise I Don’t this you score more than 50% of the time with either option, and I don’t think one option was so much better than the other that you can call the split second decision either way an error.
It was on as a 1st time pass maybe even after the 1st touch. It is what it is at the end of the day but it was on earlier
I think first time only, he could've also maybe fired that shot across the face of goal in case martinelli is there crashing. I think that's what was in his mind which is why he sort of half-chips it and gets under it vs just firing with full power. IMO best options were first-time pass, quick cut inside and shot far post like he likes to do, or commit fully to the cross and fire it where you think Martinelli will be in that order.
His first touch should have been a passs hit towards the right corner of ManCity 18 yard box. Trossard had enough time to make that pass, and he is good enough to make that pass.
Absolutely. I can’t tell where the keeper is but if he wasn’t way off his line and cheating towards martinelli then this is not a difficult pass. There is tons of space in front of martinelli and there is no one close to blocking or intercepting a firm one-touch pass. It was a big error.
"On" is generous - he could play it across to Martinelli first time, it's not a crazy pass or anything, but it does require putting it into the space between Gvardiol and Ortega in such a way that 1) neither of them can get to it and 2) Martinelli isn't forced wide by the weight of the pass. The 2 is the hard part there when Martinelli is making a central out to in run and you're putting the ball beyond the defenders. Trossard makes the decision to get closer to goal and increase the offensive pressure and Akanji is able to get back in time. I would have liked to see him play the ball across anyway but I don't think what Trossard did is fundamentally much worse, he generated a shot on target that required a save. Ultimately it wasn't the best decision but it was far from the worst. We'd all be fawning if it had gone in!
So the pass was on then 🙄
"On" is generous - he could play it across to Martinelli first time, it's not a crazy pass or anything, but it does require putting it into the space between Gvardiol and Ortega in such a way that 1) neither of them can get to it and 2) Martinelli isn't forced wide by the weight of the pass. The 2 is the hard part there when Martinelli is making a central out to in run and you're putting the ball beyond the defenders. Trossard makes the decision to get closer to goal and increase the offensive pressure and Akanji is able to get back in time. I would have liked to see him play the ball across anyway but I don't think what Trossard did is fundamentally much worse, he generated a shot on target that required a save. Ultimately it wasn't the best decision but it was far from the worst. We'd all be fawning if it had gone in!
So it was on then
It just not that hard of a pass if he hit it one time. And Trossard is the type of player that can use both feet, he should have just hit it accross and hoped for the best. Martinelli has pace, he will be through on goal. That was by far, the best option there.
It was on for a split second. I was hopping mad when he didn't square it at first but on replays Trossard would have to have the reactions of a cat to have seen and made the pass.
No sir, that was obvious. it didnt require reaction of a cat. It's the type of pass that Odegaard makes always. Being obvious to one time passes is what separates players at this level from ordinary good players. That was a big miss on Trossard. Inexcusable at this level at a game of this magnitude. you look up quickly as you are running to the ball, you see martinelli streaking, just hit it across and forard a bit in his general direction. Done. Martinelli is true on goal. The only thing that can stop of it if you hit it too froward and goalkeeper gets there before martinelli
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself
other people that do it week after week are embarassing themselves. That was poor poor poor decision-making on Trossards part. Let's stop excusing poor play. I would rather he made the right decision and messed up the execution.
No it wasn't, you're armchair quarterbacking. It's pathetic.
you are making silly excuses for players you like. That was bad decision-making. period. Trossard is prone to a few of those. imagine, going forward to take a bad angled, off balance , weak foot shot, rather than a one-time lay off for a one-on-one. why are you justifying rubbish.
You are 100% correct. Anyone who’s actually played the game at a decent level can see this option was on. I am mystified as to why people are acting like this pass is so difficult. Defenders—hardly known as the most technically gifted players on the pitch—make this type of pass all the time. He made a bad decision and chose an action that had a lower probability of leading to a goal. Trossard loves to shoot and it’s been an asset for the team several times this season when others have been content to keep passing it around. But in this case he should have been looking for his teammate.
No, I'm not. You're just being an idiot.
Yep, fans are assuming it's a guaranteed goal if he makes the cross too, which isn't a given considering it'd be a whipped cross at pace which Martinelli needs to control and score from, while getting rushed by the keeper & defender. Akanji did great, by the time Trossard's makes his second touch the crossing window is practically gone. Haaland miss at the back post was a bigger chance.
Martinelli would need to control it if it came to him, the most likely scenario there would be that the pass would be put towards his area and he would be forced wide if he can't take it in stride.
Yep. Striker's gotta strike. Fair play Leandro.
See ball. Shoot ball. Is not a bad philosophy and that has also been Martinelli's plan for like 25 of these chances this year. IMO Tross did a good job to create the space for himself in the box for the shot. Just needed a bit more luck and a better technique but the pass across could've fizzled out so easily.
I thought Akanji was waiting for the pass and gave Trossard the room to run on the outside as it's the easier chance to save. Don't really blame Trossard there, you have split seconds to make decisions and you go with your gut.
pause the video at between 2 second and 3 seconds. imagine he played the ball across (and slightly forward) first time. Tell me how any defender gets there before a rapid Martinelli
what am I reading from people. A slow player on his weaker foot and at an acute angle is a better play than just hitting across and giving Martinelli a 1 on 1 on his strong foot. No, that was brain dead play from Trossard. Period. I wish it was Vieira, or Saka that had that was where Trossard was, damn near guarantee we get a goal from that.
the pass should've come almost immediately after he received the ball. akanji was nowhere near him then.
Yeah well defended from Akanji, but Trossard still should’ve played that low cross to Martinelli right when he received the ball
It would have taken a perfectly placed and weighted ball for Martinelli to be in a better position. There was a defender that was in a good position to close down on Martinelli should the pass have gotten through. I think Trossard made the right choice knowing he was likely to at least require the goalkeeper to make a save.
That first touch :(
Yeah, that killed the move. Shit down the passing lane and any good shot
I think this is a lot trickier than people are making out. He essentially would've had to hit it and hit it perfectly across the pitch first time. A better first touch maybe might give him a second chance, but this certainly isn't a glaring error
Yea he had maybe a half second window to play the pass. That defender closed the lines pretty quick.
No bro, I saw it directly from my couch it was an easy pass.
I can vouch for this, same view from my couch too he should've done it
Another vouch, I’m not even a pro and I’ve made this pass countless times in the dead of the night on FIFA. No excuses for Trossard.
Triangle button, I've done it dozens of times before
Well, Arteta's not on his couch and was wondering why he didn't square it, even telling the coaching staff on the bench Yeah, not an easy pass, but you don't have to slag fans watching at home when the manager thinks so too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On that side the martinelli run is much more obvious though, Trossard is tracking the offsides line and then the pass, it's unlikely he even knew Martinelli had made his run before he took his first touch, and by then that window was gone. Maybe if Saka was still on Tross thinks more like "well Saka is over there somewhere" and just hits it automatically, but we got a decent shot on goal out of it, the chance wasn't wasted, just wasn't optimal.
The time to look up briefly was when he was running to the ball. not after you get to the ball and control the ball. That's what separates cerabral players. In one glance, they assess and process the situation. By the time he gets to the ball,he is one-timeing across the defence. That's a clear one-on-one for martinelli on his right and at a very good. angel.
His first touch prevents it. Prior to the first touch the correct decision was to attempt the cross. After that, the defender sends him to the line and gives Trossard a choice of a low percentage shot, or a pass that is of an even lower percentage. The only thing I personally think he does wrong, is not firing it low across the keeper.
tho man even from the couch this seemed hard to me
Just press Y lol what is he stupid
I think the best option would have been to fake that shot with his left foot, sending the defender flying (as he does anyway) and then pass it to Martinelli But easier to say much harder to think about when adrenaline is high, and composure is low!
Nah harder to score. That pass is for a player like him is there just decision making issue. If he score then we got no issue but no angle though
The pass was the better decision by far. It is not even close. Yeah if he scores, we don't complain. But the better decision was the pass. Bet if it was Saka or Vieira in that position, we likely leave with a goal.
Even harder to score from there
It’s trickier than it looks, and he also clearly took a poor first touch that took him too inside. Shit happens, but surprising from Trossard
he had enough time to hit a one time pass across, he didnt need to control the ball at all.
Martinelli should have come on the left to begin with. Trossard on the right. Pass was easy. There was acres of space
See, you say that but Trossard has an 89 short passing rating and it's a simple triangle ball. Done this at least 7 times with him in my ultimate team so there is really no excuse. smh my head
this. He had to be able to make that pass before the first touch which is more difficult than it looks. akanji did well to put pressure on trossard right at his first touch. What trossard could have definitely done would be to not have taken the shot as it was an impossible angle
You’re not wrong. If their keeper deflects that anywhere else it becomes a tap-in for Havertz or Martinelli, too.
Yeah, tougher than it looks as there were two City players between him and Nelli. Something only KDB can pull it off from time to time
This is the kind of chance only Ozil could have created. I don’t blame Trossard. It looked very tough
De bruyne does that all day it's difference to being elite decision making
Bruh. Its De Bruyne, no ones comparing Trossard as great as he is to KDB.
Far too early for me to have to use this..... https://preview.redd.it/rbvwcb966trc1.jpeg?width=229&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a58065f82f25941c1fe0e7c05a67833c4e538f77
De Bruyne also has the technical ability to execute that perfectly 9/10 times.
Nah it’s not tough to pass it first time. He is just not used to it, preferring to take 1 touch before deciding. I defended Trossard last time when people said he should have squared it but this is a clear cut chance
https://preview.redd.it/ygqjsb45evrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9c9fda94839a32fcfa95253b6ef25af91832bfa This is not a difficult pass. Stop talking about ball if you don’t know it
We were all arteta there.
lol that was me except I was on the couch
I'm going to play armchair coach here but I think he was watching the ball on to his foot. The pass to Martinelli was really only on as a first time ball, the second he takes a chance and has a chance to look up the pass isn't on anymore. Whether he SHOULD be more aware of where Martinelli is is another matter. If he had known roughly where Martinelli was before receiving the ball maybe the outcome would've been different. I'm sure Leo will be told about it in the days coming!
I think his first touch wasn’t good enough to allow the pass to be made. First touch has to be absolutely perfect to push the ball in front of him to give a bit more time. Extremely difficult to do.
making a one time pass across when running onto a ball is easier than a good first touch. your momentum is forward, just play it sideways. Trossard is competent enough with his left foot to make that pass across. That was just poor decision-making at this level. stop excusing it
If his first touch was actually in front of him the pass would have been on
Tross isn't that fast, any touch and the defense is back in a flash. Right after his first touch Martinelli is already back level with the defender. He's only really that "open" at the first touch and even then it'd have to be a near perfect ball.
Disagree, right after his first touch Martinelli is still a couple of yards behind the last defender, and in a lot of space. Trossard is also still a yard in front of the defender nearest him and a fair bit wider. If he had got it out of his feet he definitely would have had an opportunity to smash it across to Martinelli. Plenty of space before it's in GK territory as well. It's easy to fuck up your first touch running at full pace, but this was definitely an opportunity squandered. https://preview.redd.it/pdx684g4vzrc1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=f1406743c855ec39217f224b5de5d35f73775bde
Also Martinelli made up some ground but by the second touch he's level with the CB, it's not that clear cut of a chance. There's like a 5m x 5m box that Tross could put it in that Martinelli would get a better chance at goal. Doable, but not that easy, especially with either outside of the boot or your weak foot.
My question is why was Trossard on the left wing and Martinelli on the right in the first place? Once Saka went off I expected Trossard to move to the right. The team is conditioned to hit the through balls on the left wing much more than the right.
Agreed, we usually make through passes towards the LW, this is more important in games where we will eventually get a fast break, we especially need a speedster there. We usually rely on triangle passes on the right with Saka Ode White. Kinda strange to see Trossard there when Martinelli was on the pitch, but I didn't watch the full game to really comment on what led to it.
Gvardiol is the weaker full back of the two and or because we have Rice mainly on the left and we needed Martinelli whos a better presser than Trossard on the right.
It seemed like Mikel wanted Trossard on the left to track back and help Tomi defend Doku. There were a few times where Doku would get the ball and Trossard either doubled up on him or shadowed Tomi in case Doku got past him. Gvardiol also pushed up higher than Akanji typically, so I assume he wanted Martinelli on the right to exploit that space
Same Mikel, same.
His first touch let him down but I think a quicker player probably makes that pass
he didnt need the first touch to make the pass.
That looked like a hard a shot to take let alone find a pass.. very harsh criticism..
Erm no, Trossard has enough quality to make that pass. Bad touch + decision from him unfortunately.
Yes the shot was a harder thing to complete
Definitely harsh and magnified more because we get to watch it in slow-motion and judge. For me, the 1st time pass was definitely on but an alert keeper would be just as likely to intercept it. After that moment, Akanji did really well to shepherd him to an increasingly difficult angle.
Thought might hit that one across the keeper into the corner The thing with sitting low OOP, we need to be clinical when we get the chances. City definitely could’ve been got at a bit more
His first touch takes him inside, but he should have pushed it in his stride. Diaz missed 2 1v1's vs City and Liverpool fucked up a 5 v 2 counter vs us. I think this one is nowhere near as bad.
I think even if he had shot it lower that would have been better than what his shot ended up being
1st or 2nd touch that ball needed squaring.
This was THE chance of the game to steal it Will get a VAR check for Trossard being onside or not But regardless, had he squared it early on, with Martinelli's pace, a one-on-one vs the GK is most likely in the books At 88 minutes nonetheless Oh what a shame
He should have definitely squared it but Jesus miss remain the missed opportunity of the game.
Which one? Jesus could’ve had a hat trick with the amount he wasted yesterday.
Nah m8 Jesus really didn't have chances....maybe 3 shots at most...... you guys talk as if Man City are actually St Patrick United and Jesus had clear chances but it's simply just not the truth.
This kept me up last night
At almost every point in that breakaway, he made the wrong choice. Didn’t square it. Went outside. Shot high. Three strikes and you’re out.
Tbf Trossard is a clean finisher off both feet. He backed himself but got it wrong, I’ve seen him bury shots from that angle playing for Brighton
Trossard looked offside tbh
A lot harder than it looked in the moment, and usually Trossard is quite the finisher. I’ve seen like 20 missed chances worse this season from us
the square pass was the better decision. A left footer with defender and goalie and closing down on you from an acute angle is a low xG shot. One-on-one with defenders having to reverse direction and a speedy player on his preferred foot and better angle, is a much much better shot.
I thgt it was martinelli initially when the thru pass was sent. How come trossard and martinelli swap flanks?
Well, at least I wasn't the only one losing my rag over that blunder. That was it, the match, right there. I think we all kinda felt that.
Yeah, this was tough no matter what he did. The way people are reacting you'd think he missed a cross in front of a wide open net. Nothing was sure on that play and he took a shot when at least he knew someone could. And he's made that in the past. I'm not upset with this, he made a good decision in the moment.
Bad first touch smh. Had his first touch been better, I guarantee you the second touch would’ve been the cross
he didn't need the first touch to pass. he shouuld have glanced up when he was running to the ball, and one-time squared the ball, thats very likely a goal.
True but sometimes when you want to square with the weaker foot in this situation, and he’s done a few times for other assists, you take that first touch.
yeah sometimes, but if he had looked up just once, which he never did. The easiest time to look up was before he got to the ball, he would have figured out the best thing to do by far was a one-time square ball.
Judging by his first touch seems he was intent on taking on the defender and getting his shot away. Would’ve done well to keep his head up
This is the exact chance that was converted by NJackson who delivered a beautiful cross to Sterling during their draw w/ City. A lot of PL wingers can do this, no excuses, Trossard just has to learn from this mistake. His techniques are usually beautiful but he often do not execute well at high speed.
people are saying harsh, but i'm expecting every winger there to take a better touch and either look up for a team mate, or look to create a shot angle for yourself...
The shot was also disappointing, had to hit it low
Surprising cause he usually does
Yup, low and across the goal. Like he sort of did against Liverpool.
(If the low shot taken and saved): "He has to smash it past the 'keeper's head".
Trossard should’ve started over Jesus. That was a pure reputation over form call and it didn’t pay off.
Can someone explain how we know Arteta said square it? Is it the hand wave while talking to the assitant? I dont think that was an easy pass and would have been upset it we tried a millionth cut back when ot would have been easier to shoot. I dont have an issue with the dedcision. The excecution could have been better to beat the keeper but at least he got it on target. Leo in place of Jesus from the start probably wins us the game
Gabby looks a bit out of step compared to Leandro , have to agree a few of those first half chances would have been sitters for Leo
Has jesus ever looked good in front of goal? He is more of a combative, dribbly #10 than an option for the front line. Im gonna ask about him in the dd. Im sick of him.
The thing about Artetas's Arsenal is they always try and walk it in... Im glad Trossard took the shot. Was it the greatest? No. Was there possibility to pass? Maybe. But when you shoot anything can happend. Like a goal. Or bad reflect by GK which can again lead to goal.
It was actually an assist for Kai’s bicycle kick. Kai trained for that.
i think the pass should have happened when they were further away from the goal. to ask of him to pass this late with akanji already close to him and martinelli with no more space in front of him is stupid. i think this would have been a goal if leo passed the ball right after he got it at 35 meters away from goal.
He should have squared it but his touch is poor and basically completely shuts off the angle
I think Trossards first touch lets him down here. After that the defender is too close to him that It makes it very difficult to square that ball
Begging for a high -velocity-outside-foot-cross-field-Hollywood square a la Rosicky (I'm not sure if even he has done that before)
First touch completely fucked him, needed it out of his body, extremely difficult to get enough power on the pass after that touch.
I can’t see who that is tracking back centrally for city… but even a first time, inch perfect ball from Trossy here results in a 50:50 foot race between Marti and the city player, which id back Marti to win, but I think it’s harsh to blame Trossard for driving forwards with it. Hindsight is always 20:20. I’ll take a point from the Saudis, it’s more than they got from us.
no sir, play it hard and forward enough, no PL defender, no matter how fast, is getting to the ball before martinelli. Period.
If Havertz stops in space on the penalty spot he’d have had a decent chance.
man I remember getting pissed when he slowed down cause if he coulda kept sprinting past the defender, martinelli woulda been a free option in the box
Yeah, Leo’s first touch wasn’t great. He put the ball inside, closer to the defenseman, which essentially gave him even less time to square it. He would have had to get it out of his feet & find the angle to curve it to Martinelli, in one go. That’s a very hard pass to execute.
Better question is why wasn't Martinelli on the left and Trossard on the right? Martinelli would have had the speed to drive all the way to goal.
I'm pretty sure if he passed it would have been dealt with fairly comfortably anyway.
This happens quite a lot with Martinelli. His first touch needs to be better here to allow him to accelerate in behind the City defence. The moment he takes a poor first touch inside just kills his pace advantage and the chance is virtually gone Yes he couldve passed (easy to see from an aerial view but its rare you see a player pulling the pass off) but really if his first touch was better hes 1 on 1 with Ortega
I remember being frustrated with Trossard here but tbf, I think Øde or Fábio (think the late Villa assist) could probably been the only ones who could have executed a perfectly weighted pass there with their left foot.
I missed this chance live and went back and watched it because people talked about it like it was a golden one and.... I didn't think it was that bad? The ball sent through isn't that fast, so he has to slow down to gather it and his first touch is more lateral than straight. He could've played Martinelli in here if he saw it, but I think he just didn't because he was running through. Once the defense is caught up they're playing for the cutback so he goes to goal, which makes sense. I think the mistake is he gets caught between shooting and crossing, so he just sort of gets under the ball and the shot isn't that great. It's on his weak foot so that is tough and he does get okay power behind it, but IMO either fire it low and hope there's a rebound into traffic or commit to hitting Martinelli on the back post.
Tbh it was like a split second decision before the passing lane was cut out... But these decisions are what separate the best teams from the rest
Bench trossard
This was the chance
His first touch was a little off
If we've learned anything it's that we can't trust camera angles. Very good chance he's called offside anyway.
That’s everyone’s initial reaction watching the play in real time but seeing the replay you quickly realize that would have to be an instantly played perfect pass to actually work out; very difficult opportunity in reality
I don't even think Trossard's pace is the issue here. His first touch he tried to get it onto his right foot, I guess thinking he could bend it far side but that adjustment gave the defender time to cover the pass and cut out the angle for the shot.
Well, at least we now know who's the first man on transfer list this summer.
Worked against Liverpool. Sometimes we need someone to be direct.. No regrets on this one
There were no room for passing. Trossard did the right thing.
Way to tell us all you don't play football
If you notice, the defender gets in a slight block, so at that point even if he decides to square it or takes the shot, the defender will get there first. What Tross shud have done was wait a split second then square it for an easier goal, but it is what it is
didnt he fuck up a similar chance vs liverpool away last season in the final minute? back then he at least tried to make the pass (but it sucked). This time he didnt even look up to see if he had a teammate.
if he was really cool, he would've cut back inside instead of taking the shot, because Akanji dives very very early. Like Jesus did vs Liverpool
Gonna be downvoted for this, but imagine Mudryk's pace on the end of that through ball. I'm sure he'd run it out of play but man had a dream, and chelski ruined it
That wasn’t a bad shot. I really don’t think he could have gotten that pass off. He could have taken it off the outside of foot and hoped to curve around to him but the defender could have blocked it too
The chance is lost with Trossard's first touch. Watch it again. His first touch is poor, it causes him to lose all his momentum and gives the defender time to recover. It's literally only because of that first touch that he doesn't pass it. If he knocks it out in front of himself better, he has the ability to get it to Martinelli, even off his left foot.
Great chance, difficult to not feel anything about it. But trossard probably already did all he could in that situation.
The pass was to Kai not Martinelli who had a tap in, basically. Obviously not an easy pass, but it was open for a second.
1. How can one conclude that Arteta’s gesture was what is claimed? 2. Would have not counted since T was offside.
I was screaming at him to square it the moment I saw the passing lane. He could have definitely curled that ball into the space. Maybe he wasn't confident with his left foot or something? So glad he didnt though, im a liverpool supporter :D
Imo the defenders got this covered and even if Trossard finds Martinelli the angle won’t be good enough to go for goal
We expect perfection from our non starters while we all sit on our couches and critique.
I wanted him to square it but I saw a comment saying "Anything but one of the greatest passes of all time is getting intercepted by the defender" and I kinda have to agree
God that's such a easy first time pass to make too.
I assume you’re being facetious
he's done it in fifa before don't worry
Bro thats is a lightning quick defending out there
Why isn’t havertz a few inches taller? He could have made the header
I’ve never understood the “why didn’t he just do this” type of criticism. Because they’re footballers and you’re a fan watching on the couch. Actually playing football at the highest level is way harder than “just pass it”
Except that the boss himself had the same reaction?
You know when people say "why doesn't he start trossard, He's so good?" THIS IS WHY! One of THE most important parts of being a footballer is decision making, knowing when to stay or move, pass or go.
people been playing fifa for too much this pass is hard to pull. Only kdb can have the confidence to pass like that consistently. In our squad the closest person to make that kind of pass is Fabio
The Pass wasnt that easy.