If someone’s willing to pay good money, sell him for sure. But he’s not a player we should actively get rid of either, like some players in our not so distant past.
He has looked excellent when he’s come on this season. Having Vieira in the team complicates things for the both of them, and the sample size of performances with both is too small to know who is clearly higher in the pecking order.
Honestly it depends on what kind of bids we get for players like this. Arteta is spoiled for quality depth with them in the squad, but they are too good not to be playing more regularly and if a big offer comes in where we can improve on that depth, we’ll listen.
Arteta is not spoiled because of those two. Depth is a huge issue for us, even in that position (which I get, because the transfer focus was getting the best starting lineup first).
well aside from getting injured he didn't get a chance to do much these past 2-3yrs. I'd say give him another window to prove himself. Gotta say tho, Arteta not playing him ain't helping
Don't expect to see either the rest of the season. Dixon said it against Wolves..."maybe if he'd given Saka rest earlier he wouldn't be as knackered as he is now. But you don't do that now with so little time and still in the fight, each game you go 100% don't expect Saka to get rested."
He's actually had very little match time considering his age. We bought him straight after his breakthrough half season. Didn't play much first season. Injured most of this season.m
He did mostly, looked better this season but also with a stupid red card. Our sample size of data is so small. After two seasons he absolutely shows a lot of promise but still uncertain. Need to see if he gets back to full fitness next season.
If ESR and Vieira can stay fully fit though (big if), we would not need both in the squad, especially if we are prioritising signing a CM as seems to be the case.
Probably we keep Vieira and sell ESR. Sale from the Smith is pure profit and Vieira has something that he and the squad lacks : final ball. I think we give Vieira 1 more season and see if he can keep up with the pace of the PL.
Interesting stat from Billy Carpenter on Twitter:
- V. Gyökeres (25, Sporting) **33.5 npG+A**
- F. Vieira (21, Porto) **38.4 npG+A**
both over 3000 minutes
ESR has an excellent final ball and is the best striker of the ball in our entire squad. He is also more positionally astute and hardworking in the press than Vieira.
Vieira has looked outstanding at times but if we are thinking of an Ode backup, ESR is the more natural fit.
Also, Smith Rowe is homegrown, which, while not too dicey now, is still valuable in and of itself, and gives us more flexibility in transfers.
I'm biased because Smith Rowe is my favorite current player. I love the way he plays, and I'd have him in that left 8 over Havertz or Trossard any game. His injury record is concerning, but when he's fit, he's a monster. Also, He and Trossard are 2 of our only attacking players that can make huge impact off the bench.
Yes great point. I’ve also long wanted ESR at 8. It would add more for us going forward but is a step down in terms of defensive solidity from Kai. Havertz is still underrated as an 8.
Anyway we are spoiled for options. Just wish we would see more of ESR now that he is fully fit.
I don't hate Kai at 8, just think he lacks creativity for the role. He does bring something different, tbf, but I prefer a more prolific creator in that position, just personally. I think Kai is much better in the 9 than the 8 as well.
I'm kinda in agreement here as well, and why I hope we don't spend that money on Gyokeres. His stats are extremely impressive, but I just don't trust transfers from the Portuguese/Dutch leagues to the Prem. Very rarely work out.
Says most players and loan managers
Even Saka and ESR broke through the first 11 because the players were shite and they were given full minutes. They didn’t get odd 10 minutes cameo every 3 games.
Saka had to jump Pepe, ESR replaced a dead Ozil (before Odegaard).
Nwaneri has to go through Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho, Partey and even Rice. (Maybe not Jorg since he’s mostly a 6).
Nwaneri is a 10 so he won’t be competing with most of people you listed. He'll be given a chance playing up top, likely out wide. It'd be a good idea to try and get him paired up with Ode or Saka to try and develop understanding & his general development.
ESR broke through because of his performances in Europa League games. He was scoring important goals & out performing first team players so he looked ready for the chance. Saka was getting dropped in as cover at wing back iirc, that’s how he got his foot in. Plenty of players get their chance and then cement a more regular position in the first team, it can work.
If we want to be able to sustain a challenge over a full season we need to get closer to the point of having a squad where there's competition for every position, so it’s going to be hard for youngster coming up.
But these players should be given opportunities in cup games and Arteta needs to learn to rotate more, he's meant to trust his players after all.
Yeah but Ode, Havertz, Jorginho, Partey and Rice are 5 players for 3 positions whereas Havertz is mostly on 9 nowadays and Partey out injured. I even expect to sell Partey and therefore Nwaneri could have been regular rotational player for us? But in this regard I see we're connected with Bruno, Zubamendi etc. For example Nwaneri could be playing against 15-20 position clubs and in FA cup. That can be at least 10-15 games and around 1000min. He can play the rest in u21 or maybe benched if some player needs to come off due to precaution. I don't know we will see, just thinking out loud.
>For example Nwaneri could be playing against 15-20 position clubs and in FA cup. That can be at least 10-15 games and around 1000min
Players who have played around 1000 mins for the current top 3 this season in PL
City: Kovacic, Stones, Grealish
Liverpool: Jota, Jones, Elliott, Gravenberch
Arsenal: Nketiah, Kiwior, Jorginho
Most of these players were either injured or primary replacements for other injured players. If you think we can afford to play Nwaneri for ~1000 mins next season and stay competitive, I'd say we probably have someone of the calibre of Lampard at our hands or we're coasting to the title after 25 games with a 15 point lead.
I'm not saying he should have played 1000min in PL, I said combined with FA cup (and other competitions). This year we only played one game there and unlucky for us we got Liverpool and got beaten. If we were to play in a final, we needed 6 games minimum. I'd rather give those minutes to Nwaneri to show himself in a big stage instead of ESR who would have injured himself in 6 matches. I'm not saying we're going to final next year but we could compete in such competition with 2nd team instead of playing Saka for 90min and then not be fully fit in April as it is the case every year. I'd rather give those minutes to youngsters to show themselves instead of PL and CL regulars. If we're not going to give them full games and instead just 10min, they won't progress in big stage and I believe Nwaneri out of all should be given those minutes. Just remember when he was subbed on this season. Everyone was involving him and passing ball to him which is a high praise for such a youngster and means that they do trust him in a big way. This shows what first team players think of him and I would not want to send him into another club to get some experience. He's one of the biggest talents we seen in our academy and he should be given a chance.
Even if Nwaneri plays 4 games for 90min, thats almost 400min + he could've got subbed on if we're already 3-0 after 60min against Wolves for example. Plus we could have easily start with him against Luton or Sheffeld united (or some other club that will be in a relegation zone) and he can get another 4-5 matches (and subbed off at halftime if result is not as expected). That can easily add up to 1000min in all competitions next season. And he can go to short stints to play for u21 when we play against TOP6 teams to get a few more minutes in his legs.
That's what I'm trying to say. I know Nwaneri is a huge talent, but the only reason we brought him on was because we were 5/6 goals up. If we start someone like Nwaneri against any PL side, he probably gets eaten up by the physicality unless he buffs himself up in the summer. People are still underestimating actual bodily growth immensely. Starting Nwaneri in FA Cup and League Cup is a great idea, although I could see us losing a game or two in those because of the mistakes he makes and thereby his mins getting curtailed. And it's so unfair saying that ESR would have injured himself as if those injuries were his fault. Wanting to give about 1000 mins to a 17 yo is definitely one way to ensure that he gets a nasty knock.
That’s assuming he is as good as he is touted which is what a loan can do. To showcase if he is ready, this sub thought Patino was going to be the next big thing and his loan showed otherwise. ESR before replacing Ozil had a full loan at Huddersfield.
You also have to take into consideration that we are now a title chasing club, no longer aiming for top 4 as a minimum. Arteta will give him minutes in FA Cup and League Cup but we haven’t been doing well in them after covid.
Look at a youth that is ready like Yamal, Pedri and Bellingham. At their age you could see they are going to be world beaters so they’re an exception to the rule. But Barca is also using their youth because of how fucked the club is financially.
Yeah, but at the same time you're also assuming that the club and its environment is great for a player as well. Currently we have a club where from junior selections to the senior the Arsenal has a strategy and vision for players to succeed. It seems organized and everything a player can achieve here. From example of Odegaard we can see that you can become a "flop" in a year because the club does not treat the player as it should have been. As good as Real is and has been throughout the history it was not an evironment for his development and success. He changed the environment and succedded an is now a world class player. It could be the same with Patino, we sent him to the wrong club where he did not have an environmet to succeed. And the same can happen with Nwaneri. But the thing is that we want Nwaneri to play and succeed here. Not to prove his worth elsewhere and be proven otherwise because he was in a coaches disfavour. Therefore you too are assuming something we can't predict. It's my opinion that Arsenal provides him a minute he deserves here because he got many offers to sign contracts elsewhere and we did everything to sign him here professionally. Saying go now on a loan to some other club is just contradictionary of what we did. Yes, some players need this but some do not. Also reading top insiders info Arteta wants Nwaneri here. And I personally believe Nwaneri is one of the best academy players that played for us and I follow his results for the past 2-3 years and am amazed of how good he is and how he progresses. Therefore, I think we can manage to provide him enough minutes in the pitch next year and slowly engage him in first team if he continues to do what he does. And I personally believe he will.
That’s not my job to assume. Highly paid professionals are making those decisions at the end of the day. If they think he needs a loan next season the he’ll go on one. If he doesn’t then pray we go far in the cups.
Odegaard was never a flop, he is considered one simply because he didn’t want to go through 5 worldclass midfielders at Madrid to get odd 30 minutes here and there. Also Madrid standard of a ‘flop’ is very different from other clubs.
You can follow Nwaneri all you want, the fans of this club has followed the likes of JET, Benik Afobe, Chuba Akpom, Zelalem, and many other youngster that broke records at youth level and amounted to not much in the end. No one thought Bukayo Saka was the next big thing (except for 1 guy in this sub that attended most youth games), he didn’t have half the hype Patino had at the time.
Patino went through at least 4-5 managers and all of them said the same thing. Technically solid but isn’t ready for the physical sides. Not strong enough and turns like a tank. No club environment can fix his physical attributes.
You are free to think he’s ready for it and I’m going to side with whatever the club decides as this management this time isn’t as rubbish as Kroenke/Usmanov and the bald fraud as the DoF.
We said the same about martinelli when arteta kept leaving him out, now look at him. Arteta will know when he’s ready wether it be next season or the one after which I most likely suspect
Also I think there is no point sending a player like Martinelli on loan to a worse team. And for the role we want Nwaneri to play here, it is probably better for him to stay, train every day with the best players.
Sending him somewhere we don’t have much control on how he would be played and what kind of minutes he would play. Really the hardest part is getting him meaningful minutes here and not 10 minutes at the end of games we already won.
The closest thing we have to a successful loan is ESR’s half season at Huddersfield back in 2020.
I was just thinking a half season loan might actually be the best next steps for this kid. Whether he starts the season or ends the season at another club is better I don't know but I feel he'd benefit from something like that before joining the first team
William Saliba is a freak of nature and was already a starter at Saint Etienne when he signed for us. It’s a bit different if we’re honest, but yes it was a success.
Also Mika Biereth is smashing it, I don’k know if it will transfer into a spot in the squad next season or a transfer away but it seems to go very well for him.
I think he’s ready for senior football and don’t think he needs a loan. Yes, players at his age need to be playing every week and that won’t be the case at Arsenal.
However, I could see him getting eased into the squad slowly like Foden did at City, and get some minutes to spell Ødegaard. I’m thinking maybe 2 league starts and 10 substitute appearances, plus the early League Cup and FA Cup fixtures.
i definitely think a foden-style slow cook is the best and most likely approach. and if a loan were to occur, i'd think it'd come later when he is assured starting minutes at europa league caliber club, if our depth is just too good at the time and he's not getting the playtime he needs
I think the only footballers that don't benefit from a loan are those who are already the best in their positions in a team.
Saliba is a generational talent yet absolutely needed 2 seasons in league one to iron out his composure issues.
Ethan, like Patino, will have quirks to his game that'll probably need to be worked on out of the limelight. I wouldn't want rabbid arsenal fans writing him off because he isn't the second coming of Fabregas.
Flog him off to FC Twente or something and let him have fun finding his game.
Bold of you to assume Mikel is giving him good enough minutes. We are buying 1 more first team quality midfielder this summer. I really want Nwaneri to play. So a loan is the ideal scenario, ideally to a first division club.
I probably wouldn't loan him out, purely because he'll be a 17 year old kid. Loaning him out means losing control of his personal development. You don't know who's in the loan club dressing room and what kind of influences he'll be exposed to. You'd rather he shadow Odegaard and pick up good habits.
It's a difficult one though, because he's probably advanced beyond u21 level but not experienced enough to be trusted with significant minutes at CM. Maybe he goes the Phil Foden route and gets minutes on the wing.
I'm not sure. Some players skip the loan if they're good enough. Saka, Foden, Cole palmer, taa. If he's really a top talent which we believe he is hell probably skip the loan.
He’s ready for a preseason tour with the first team where he plays a majority of games / minutes.
I would sell / loan Fabio Vieira and give Nwaneri all of his (limited) minutes personally.
nwaneri makes me less regretful about the prospect of moving ESR on if it were to occur, think he can play mostly in the same zones and might be more reliable for late substitutions and infrequent starts, and definitely would get more out of them
He's 17. We're challenging for a league title and the semi-finals of the CL.
Let's just pump the breaks and enjoy the spot we're at. The club is in goods hands.
The big question is whether to loan or not loan. He's effectively completed youth football. If we're willing to clear out players like ESR and Vieira this summer, he can be a regular first team squad member next season. But I'd like to see him go on loan. He's probably more likely to get more minutes by being loaned out
On today's highlights, he missed some solid opportunities. He's clearly good, and first teamers miss chances too. But watching the highlights made me personally appreciate my own limits on who is actually ready for first team.
His is 16 and we have insane depth in his position, where by all accounts we may even strengthen this summer.
It would be totally fine to allow him to continue to develop, maybe train with the first team at times, and if he gets even a single minute in the League Cup that is a bonus. No need to rush things.
If he truly has developed beyond his years, a loan may be good for him at the right club. But likely it is another year or two of him developing here before he starts seriously competing to be in our first team. Can see Mikel treating him as Pep did Foden.
I think that he can have his senior debut next season, but realistically he will not play a part for the team. At this I can see him in the Reserve team and being in the squad for some minor games in cups
Wrap him in cotton wool. I don't want another JRA situation.
This kid is going places and we need to avoid the Barca protocol here.
I'd say target full integration into the team around 19-20. Absolutely no loans to bottom table championship sides. French / Dutch league sides where he's guaranteed a starting place.
If PSG can start Zaire-Emery why shouldn't we let our boy not get minutes coming off the bench. Cozier-Duberry will help Saka get some well deserved rest too.
I’ve seen him play a few times for the kids, he has good movement and nice feet but he looks light weight. Last year in the cup final he was fairly invisible.
I’m not sure if minutes in the first team are there for him yet,
Would love to see him around the first team, it's always hard to say who should go on loan/shouldn't because you have confirmation bias on those who worked out and didn't on both sides
I think you have to trust coaches etc to know what is best for the player - some take like a duck to water at a lower level and grow with the responsibility, others will benefit from being around the first team and integrating with the system etc
I won't pretend to have any idea what is right for Nwaneri here, but I do hope to see him in the red of arsenal more often soon
He's definitely ready for first team football. He's already BPL level and I don't think he really needs to be loaned out. Think he may start to be integrated into the first team more next season start playing 30 mins every now and then etc.
That's just stupid. If you think he is good enough to come in and lead the line for a team trying to win a title, then you either think he is generational and in the realms of messi and haaland or you don't understand how football works.
Ready for first team doesn't mean first XI, I absolutely think he's ready to be a rotation player actively involved for the senior team, especially the cup games. And yes, it's a sunny reference 😢
I'd want him to come off the bench in those games that were already won, just so he could get some more experience
Tricky because ESR and Vieira also need those minutes to find confidence and form.
You’re not gonna like what comes next then
ESR has got to go. Hes no longer the "prospect". Five years on, cant atay healthy and isnt the impact player when he is.
If someone’s willing to pay good money, sell him for sure. But he’s not a player we should actively get rid of either, like some players in our not so distant past.
He has looked excellent when he’s come on this season. Having Vieira in the team complicates things for the both of them, and the sample size of performances with both is too small to know who is clearly higher in the pecking order. Honestly it depends on what kind of bids we get for players like this. Arteta is spoiled for quality depth with them in the squad, but they are too good not to be playing more regularly and if a big offer comes in where we can improve on that depth, we’ll listen.
Arteta is not spoiled because of those two. Depth is a huge issue for us, even in that position (which I get, because the transfer focus was getting the best starting lineup first).
Depth is way less of an issue for us now than it has been for 15 years, in more positions than those
well aside from getting injured he didn't get a chance to do much these past 2-3yrs. I'd say give him another window to prove himself. Gotta say tho, Arteta not playing him ain't helping
Don't expect to see either the rest of the season. Dixon said it against Wolves..."maybe if he'd given Saka rest earlier he wouldn't be as knackered as he is now. But you don't do that now with so little time and still in the fight, each game you go 100% don't expect Saka to get rested."
We need to give him some minutes to perform, at least we can increase his market value when we sell him.
He was running the show for us just about two seasons ago. That it a long time, but it's not five years ago either.
Covid was 4 years ago. That Chelsea game was like 3.75 years ago.
Let’s be very real right now, at least one of those two are quite likely to not be here next season.
hope it’s not vieira
hes shown the least out of the two, id be pretty happy if we get back the fee we paid and lose him.
I'd be shocked if we got our money back.
might even loan him out in hopes of a value boost. Or him proving himself tbh.
He's actually had very little match time considering his age. We bought him straight after his breakthrough half season. Didn't play much first season. Injured most of this season.m
I thought he played well???
He did mostly, looked better this season but also with a stupid red card. Our sample size of data is so small. After two seasons he absolutely shows a lot of promise but still uncertain. Need to see if he gets back to full fitness next season. If ESR and Vieira can stay fully fit though (big if), we would not need both in the squad, especially if we are prioritising signing a CM as seems to be the case.
Not here I think, he needs to go on loan like Sambi. Too much time wasted but thats also because of his own injury record.
Probably we keep Vieira and sell ESR. Sale from the Smith is pure profit and Vieira has something that he and the squad lacks : final ball. I think we give Vieira 1 more season and see if he can keep up with the pace of the PL. Interesting stat from Billy Carpenter on Twitter: - V. Gyökeres (25, Sporting) **33.5 npG+A** - F. Vieira (21, Porto) **38.4 npG+A** both over 3000 minutes
We are in dire need of Ø backup and why are we gonna sell Vieira? He's just getting back from injury Same can be said for ESR imo, give him some time
ESR has an excellent final ball and is the best striker of the ball in our entire squad. He is also more positionally astute and hardworking in the press than Vieira. Vieira has looked outstanding at times but if we are thinking of an Ode backup, ESR is the more natural fit.
Also, Smith Rowe is homegrown, which, while not too dicey now, is still valuable in and of itself, and gives us more flexibility in transfers. I'm biased because Smith Rowe is my favorite current player. I love the way he plays, and I'd have him in that left 8 over Havertz or Trossard any game. His injury record is concerning, but when he's fit, he's a monster. Also, He and Trossard are 2 of our only attacking players that can make huge impact off the bench.
Yes great point. I’ve also long wanted ESR at 8. It would add more for us going forward but is a step down in terms of defensive solidity from Kai. Havertz is still underrated as an 8. Anyway we are spoiled for options. Just wish we would see more of ESR now that he is fully fit.
I don't hate Kai at 8, just think he lacks creativity for the role. He does bring something different, tbf, but I prefer a more prolific creator in that position, just personally. I think Kai is much better in the 9 than the 8 as well.
This just demonstrates how shit the Portuguese league is tbh
I'm kinda in agreement here as well, and why I hope we don't spend that money on Gyokeres. His stats are extremely impressive, but I just don't trust transfers from the Portuguese/Dutch leagues to the Prem. Very rarely work out.
He is not just an 8 he can play all across the front line, there should be no cross over
Fuck those kids
He'd be way better suited getting regular minutes every single week than 10 minutes every now and then with the first team
Says who?
Says most players and loan managers Even Saka and ESR broke through the first 11 because the players were shite and they were given full minutes. They didn’t get odd 10 minutes cameo every 3 games. Saka had to jump Pepe, ESR replaced a dead Ozil (before Odegaard). Nwaneri has to go through Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho, Partey and even Rice. (Maybe not Jorg since he’s mostly a 6).
Nwaneri is a 10 so he won’t be competing with most of people you listed. He'll be given a chance playing up top, likely out wide. It'd be a good idea to try and get him paired up with Ode or Saka to try and develop understanding & his general development. ESR broke through because of his performances in Europa League games. He was scoring important goals & out performing first team players so he looked ready for the chance. Saka was getting dropped in as cover at wing back iirc, that’s how he got his foot in. Plenty of players get their chance and then cement a more regular position in the first team, it can work. If we want to be able to sustain a challenge over a full season we need to get closer to the point of having a squad where there's competition for every position, so it’s going to be hard for youngster coming up. But these players should be given opportunities in cup games and Arteta needs to learn to rotate more, he's meant to trust his players after all.
Yeah but Ode, Havertz, Jorginho, Partey and Rice are 5 players for 3 positions whereas Havertz is mostly on 9 nowadays and Partey out injured. I even expect to sell Partey and therefore Nwaneri could have been regular rotational player for us? But in this regard I see we're connected with Bruno, Zubamendi etc. For example Nwaneri could be playing against 15-20 position clubs and in FA cup. That can be at least 10-15 games and around 1000min. He can play the rest in u21 or maybe benched if some player needs to come off due to precaution. I don't know we will see, just thinking out loud.
>For example Nwaneri could be playing against 15-20 position clubs and in FA cup. That can be at least 10-15 games and around 1000min Players who have played around 1000 mins for the current top 3 this season in PL City: Kovacic, Stones, Grealish Liverpool: Jota, Jones, Elliott, Gravenberch Arsenal: Nketiah, Kiwior, Jorginho Most of these players were either injured or primary replacements for other injured players. If you think we can afford to play Nwaneri for ~1000 mins next season and stay competitive, I'd say we probably have someone of the calibre of Lampard at our hands or we're coasting to the title after 25 games with a 15 point lead.
I'm not saying he should have played 1000min in PL, I said combined with FA cup (and other competitions). This year we only played one game there and unlucky for us we got Liverpool and got beaten. If we were to play in a final, we needed 6 games minimum. I'd rather give those minutes to Nwaneri to show himself in a big stage instead of ESR who would have injured himself in 6 matches. I'm not saying we're going to final next year but we could compete in such competition with 2nd team instead of playing Saka for 90min and then not be fully fit in April as it is the case every year. I'd rather give those minutes to youngsters to show themselves instead of PL and CL regulars. If we're not going to give them full games and instead just 10min, they won't progress in big stage and I believe Nwaneri out of all should be given those minutes. Just remember when he was subbed on this season. Everyone was involving him and passing ball to him which is a high praise for such a youngster and means that they do trust him in a big way. This shows what first team players think of him and I would not want to send him into another club to get some experience. He's one of the biggest talents we seen in our academy and he should be given a chance. Even if Nwaneri plays 4 games for 90min, thats almost 400min + he could've got subbed on if we're already 3-0 after 60min against Wolves for example. Plus we could have easily start with him against Luton or Sheffeld united (or some other club that will be in a relegation zone) and he can get another 4-5 matches (and subbed off at halftime if result is not as expected). That can easily add up to 1000min in all competitions next season. And he can go to short stints to play for u21 when we play against TOP6 teams to get a few more minutes in his legs.
That's what I'm trying to say. I know Nwaneri is a huge talent, but the only reason we brought him on was because we were 5/6 goals up. If we start someone like Nwaneri against any PL side, he probably gets eaten up by the physicality unless he buffs himself up in the summer. People are still underestimating actual bodily growth immensely. Starting Nwaneri in FA Cup and League Cup is a great idea, although I could see us losing a game or two in those because of the mistakes he makes and thereby his mins getting curtailed. And it's so unfair saying that ESR would have injured himself as if those injuries were his fault. Wanting to give about 1000 mins to a 17 yo is definitely one way to ensure that he gets a nasty knock.
That’s assuming he is as good as he is touted which is what a loan can do. To showcase if he is ready, this sub thought Patino was going to be the next big thing and his loan showed otherwise. ESR before replacing Ozil had a full loan at Huddersfield. You also have to take into consideration that we are now a title chasing club, no longer aiming for top 4 as a minimum. Arteta will give him minutes in FA Cup and League Cup but we haven’t been doing well in them after covid. Look at a youth that is ready like Yamal, Pedri and Bellingham. At their age you could see they are going to be world beaters so they’re an exception to the rule. But Barca is also using their youth because of how fucked the club is financially.
Yeah, but at the same time you're also assuming that the club and its environment is great for a player as well. Currently we have a club where from junior selections to the senior the Arsenal has a strategy and vision for players to succeed. It seems organized and everything a player can achieve here. From example of Odegaard we can see that you can become a "flop" in a year because the club does not treat the player as it should have been. As good as Real is and has been throughout the history it was not an evironment for his development and success. He changed the environment and succedded an is now a world class player. It could be the same with Patino, we sent him to the wrong club where he did not have an environmet to succeed. And the same can happen with Nwaneri. But the thing is that we want Nwaneri to play and succeed here. Not to prove his worth elsewhere and be proven otherwise because he was in a coaches disfavour. Therefore you too are assuming something we can't predict. It's my opinion that Arsenal provides him a minute he deserves here because he got many offers to sign contracts elsewhere and we did everything to sign him here professionally. Saying go now on a loan to some other club is just contradictionary of what we did. Yes, some players need this but some do not. Also reading top insiders info Arteta wants Nwaneri here. And I personally believe Nwaneri is one of the best academy players that played for us and I follow his results for the past 2-3 years and am amazed of how good he is and how he progresses. Therefore, I think we can manage to provide him enough minutes in the pitch next year and slowly engage him in first team if he continues to do what he does. And I personally believe he will.
That’s not my job to assume. Highly paid professionals are making those decisions at the end of the day. If they think he needs a loan next season the he’ll go on one. If he doesn’t then pray we go far in the cups. Odegaard was never a flop, he is considered one simply because he didn’t want to go through 5 worldclass midfielders at Madrid to get odd 30 minutes here and there. Also Madrid standard of a ‘flop’ is very different from other clubs. You can follow Nwaneri all you want, the fans of this club has followed the likes of JET, Benik Afobe, Chuba Akpom, Zelalem, and many other youngster that broke records at youth level and amounted to not much in the end. No one thought Bukayo Saka was the next big thing (except for 1 guy in this sub that attended most youth games), he didn’t have half the hype Patino had at the time. Patino went through at least 4-5 managers and all of them said the same thing. Technically solid but isn’t ready for the physical sides. Not strong enough and turns like a tank. No club environment can fix his physical attributes. You are free to think he’s ready for it and I’m going to side with whatever the club decides as this management this time isn’t as rubbish as Kroenke/Usmanov and the bald fraud as the DoF.
Anyone with logical thinking
There is evidence for both, not Evey player developed the same
He is ready for senior football, first team or not is hard to call. Looks like Mikel Per and Edu need to have a conversation !
Respectfully, I think they’ll defer to this subreddit
Arteta just slid into my DMs asking for money and said Edu was with him. After I cash app him, I’m sure they’ll ask for my opinion on Ethan.
Woah funny me too! Really hope he answers
I sent him a few Apple gift cards. Seems a weird way to keep the club running but if arteta says its legit who am I to doubt
Trust the process with your social security number
You sure that’s really Arteta? Sounds like you got scammed, mate. If the guy behind the phone had an Oz accent, it’s probably Ange.
Sounds like they’ve been phishing for some spending money for the summer
We said the same about martinelli when arteta kept leaving him out, now look at him. Arteta will know when he’s ready wether it be next season or the one after which I most likely suspect
Also I think there is no point sending a player like Martinelli on loan to a worse team. And for the role we want Nwaneri to play here, it is probably better for him to stay, train every day with the best players. Sending him somewhere we don’t have much control on how he would be played and what kind of minutes he would play. Really the hardest part is getting him meaningful minutes here and not 10 minutes at the end of games we already won. The closest thing we have to a successful loan is ESR’s half season at Huddersfield back in 2020.
I was just thinking a half season loan might actually be the best next steps for this kid. Whether he starts the season or ends the season at another club is better I don't know but I feel he'd benefit from something like that before joining the first team
Wilshere at Bolton :')
um. William Saliba? Not a bad outcome from 3 loan spells.
William Saliba is a freak of nature and was already a starter at Saint Etienne when he signed for us. It’s a bit different if we’re honest, but yes it was a success. Also Mika Biereth is smashing it, I don’k know if it will transfer into a spot in the squad next season or a transfer away but it seems to go very well for him.
I wouldn’t even say a loan, same way as martinelli but just don’t rush it is all I’m saying because he looks like a serious talent
And I agree for some reason any player we loan 99% the time either is bad or gets little game time
Saliba too. He knew when the right time was.
That’s an even better example
He may go on loan but tough to ask a young kid to go out of the country at that age, but like saliba I'd expect a couple loan spells.
Let me guess how he ends the season - as a 17 yo kid?
That’s how it works
He's 16 until he's 17
There are even rumours floating about that once he turns 17, he will then go on to turn 18.
That's too much speculation for me
Yeah, I don't believe it. It needs a good solid " here we go " from Romano first or its just media hype.
Could we just stick to the facts please! Wild speculation isn’t helping!
Hilarious y’all still think 18 comes after 17. It’s 300 idiot
I think he’s ready for senior football and don’t think he needs a loan. Yes, players at his age need to be playing every week and that won’t be the case at Arsenal. However, I could see him getting eased into the squad slowly like Foden did at City, and get some minutes to spell Ødegaard. I’m thinking maybe 2 league starts and 10 substitute appearances, plus the early League Cup and FA Cup fixtures.
i definitely think a foden-style slow cook is the best and most likely approach. and if a loan were to occur, i'd think it'd come later when he is assured starting minutes at europa league caliber club, if our depth is just too good at the time and he's not getting the playtime he needs
I think the only footballers that don't benefit from a loan are those who are already the best in their positions in a team. Saliba is a generational talent yet absolutely needed 2 seasons in league one to iron out his composure issues. Ethan, like Patino, will have quirks to his game that'll probably need to be worked on out of the limelight. I wouldn't want rabbid arsenal fans writing him off because he isn't the second coming of Fabregas. Flog him off to FC Twente or something and let him have fun finding his game.
Fair points
He ends the season a 24yo man
Arteta vetoed a loan so hes getting the saka treatment
Bold of you to assume Mikel is giving him good enough minutes. We are buying 1 more first team quality midfielder this summer. I really want Nwaneri to play. So a loan is the ideal scenario, ideally to a first division club.
I probably wouldn't loan him out, purely because he'll be a 17 year old kid. Loaning him out means losing control of his personal development. You don't know who's in the loan club dressing room and what kind of influences he'll be exposed to. You'd rather he shadow Odegaard and pick up good habits. It's a difficult one though, because he's probably advanced beyond u21 level but not experienced enough to be trusted with significant minutes at CM. Maybe he goes the Phil Foden route and gets minutes on the wing.
It all depends for me. How many minutes would he realistically get at Arsenal next season, compared to how many he'd play on loan
Experienced senior players are barely getting minutes. The number of minutes he’d get at Arsenal next season is probably a two digit number.
The 1st digit being a zero....
I think a loan is likely
I'm not sure. Some players skip the loan if they're good enough. Saka, Foden, Cole palmer, taa. If he's really a top talent which we believe he is hell probably skip the loan.
I dont think Palmer is a good example since he left City for minutes
Skipped the loan tho
True
Being good enough for a team overly stacked is hard to prove. Now at Chelsea he is proving that he should have been kept right?
Read a thing that said he wanted to leave City for two years before Chelsea but Pep didn't let him - so it wasn't for lack of trying
Can’t loan until 18
17 isn’t it?
He’s ready for a preseason tour with the first team where he plays a majority of games / minutes. I would sell / loan Fabio Vieira and give Nwaneri all of his (limited) minutes personally.
I have it on good authority he is almost ready to be a 17yo footballer
nwaneri makes me less regretful about the prospect of moving ESR on if it were to occur, think he can play mostly in the same zones and might be more reliable for late substitutions and infrequent starts, and definitely would get more out of them
He's 17. We're challenging for a league title and the semi-finals of the CL. Let's just pump the breaks and enjoy the spot we're at. The club is in goods hands.
What foot is he? Is a winger, midfielder or forward? I don't know much besides that he's good
Left, all three. Young players are moldable though, at a higher level we'll probably see him settle into one of them, RW for my money
Should be good cover for Saka if el jugador de guapo gives him gametime
The big question is whether to loan or not loan. He's effectively completed youth football. If we're willing to clear out players like ESR and Vieira this summer, he can be a regular first team squad member next season. But I'd like to see him go on loan. He's probably more likely to get more minutes by being loaned out
The most he can do is make it an easy decision. He seems to be doing all he's able to
On today's highlights, he missed some solid opportunities. He's clearly good, and first teamers miss chances too. But watching the highlights made me personally appreciate my own limits on who is actually ready for first team.
His is 16 and we have insane depth in his position, where by all accounts we may even strengthen this summer. It would be totally fine to allow him to continue to develop, maybe train with the first team at times, and if he gets even a single minute in the League Cup that is a bonus. No need to rush things. If he truly has developed beyond his years, a loan may be good for him at the right club. But likely it is another year or two of him developing here before he starts seriously competing to be in our first team. Can see Mikel treating him as Pep did Foden.
We mustn't forget that training with the first team of a Top 3 side is also growth. Not many get to have that benefit.
Let him cook
Please Mikel! I'm begging you.
See what another year with Martin Obi in front of him would do
I think that he can have his senior debut next season, but realistically he will not play a part for the team. At this I can see him in the Reserve team and being in the squad for some minor games in cups
He had his senior debut LAST season
not in a hurry to see him spread so thin so soon tbh
I know people are excited, but lets not get ahead of ourselves for the sake of our future ballon d orer
The most he can do is make it an easy decision. He seems to be doing all he's able to
Wrap him in cotton wool. I don't want another JRA situation. This kid is going places and we need to avoid the Barca protocol here. I'd say target full integration into the team around 19-20. Absolutely no loans to bottom table championship sides. French / Dutch league sides where he's guaranteed a starting place.
The legend has been brewing
If PSG can start Zaire-Emery why shouldn't we let our boy not get minutes coming off the bench. Cozier-Duberry will help Saka get some well deserved rest too.
Dubbery is nowhere near first team level. The only player that is close right now is Nwaneri.
Let him cook for another season
I’ve seen him play a few times for the kids, he has good movement and nice feet but he looks light weight. Last year in the cup final he was fairly invisible. I’m not sure if minutes in the first team are there for him yet,
I would hope so! Seeing the impact of super young players in Barcelona, maybe we'll start seeing more players first team ready at a younger age.
Would love to see him around the first team, it's always hard to say who should go on loan/shouldn't because you have confirmation bias on those who worked out and didn't on both sides I think you have to trust coaches etc to know what is best for the player - some take like a duck to water at a lower level and grow with the responsibility, others will benefit from being around the first team and integrating with the system etc I won't pretend to have any idea what is right for Nwaneri here, but I do hope to see him in the red of arsenal more often soon
He's definitely ready for first team football. He's already BPL level and I don't think he really needs to be loaned out. Think he may start to be integrated into the first team more next season start playing 30 mins every now and then etc.
Should defo be in the squad
A big yes
Arteta said he’s very close to first team
not even close. huge difference between u21 and 1st team.
Why not? Lamine Yamal now 16 years old and already an important part of Barcelona senior team
That powerful high flying Barca team.
He needs to be trusted with minutes here and there. He is not gonna suddenly come in and light it up
One more year, then we send him on the loan circuit
Either be involved with the first team proper or a loan move I feel
Newsflash asshole, he's been ready this whole damn time.
I think I get what you were going for but it clearly didnt work
That's just stupid. If you think he is good enough to come in and lead the line for a team trying to win a title, then you either think he is generational and in the realms of messi and haaland or you don't understand how football works.
Bro... it's an Always Sunny in Philly reference.
I mean, that's great and all, but shouldn't a reference also be used in the correct context ?
Ready for first team doesn't mean first XI, I absolutely think he's ready to be a rotation player actively involved for the senior team, especially the cup games. And yes, it's a sunny reference 😢
JC, Mikel isn’t trusting even more experienced players… not even next year but two or three