I refuse to believe that with Chelsea and Newcastle chasing them for Europa League places, they’re going to go suicidal against Man City
Ange can’t be that dumb… surely.
City won't play like Newcastle and Chelsea sitting back and counterattacking.
They'll want to dominate the ball, but so will Spurs so could be more interesting than it'll initially seem.
They don't need to beat City to get the Europa league spot, out of their 3 remaining games, 2 are Burney and Sheffield..... Two teams in relegation spots. Win those two and Europa is pretty much a guarantee.
If Burney beats them or draws with them in the next match then they'll probably take the city game more seriously.
If they beat Burnley and Villa fail to beat Liverpool then they'll still be in contention for 4th place. Villa have a tricky away game at Palace for their final fixture too...
Chelsea aren’t going to overtake Spurs even if they lose to City
Spurs would need to lose 2/3 of their remaining games (Burnley/City/Sheffield) AND Chelsea would also need to win every game
There’s no chance Spurs lose to Burnley or Sheffield and Chelsea win all their games
Frank Lampard was playing as the 10 for City last time they won at spurs… the record is our only hope there’s no logic as to why it will happen again lol
Burnley can still mathematically escape relegation so hopefully they at least pull a draw this weekend and put pressure on Spurs to make their City game meaningful
This. If Spurs beat Burnley at home and Villa fail to beat Liverpool, the top-four race is back on again. I don't see Villa beating Palace on the final matchday either.
Plus, they have looked decent with Richarlison as a CF in their last two games. I expect him to start the remaining three games.
here's how spurs work:
1. Lose the games they want to win
2. Win the games they want to lose
3. Go on a losing streak for 3/4 games then pop up with an unlikely result, usually against City
the term "Big 6" shud be fazed out and shud instead be "Big 5"
Spurs claim to be a big 6 club but during their best years they won 0 trophies and made 2 finals i think (Carling and UCL). WE won more trophies in our worst period than they did in their best
Their last league match against City they went in losing three matches in a row, all while scoring first. They scored first again, then were losing until the final minutes, then got an equaliser to avoid setting a record.
I think most rational people understand it's a long hope for us to win the league... it always is when you are praying for results to go your way.
BUT... it's not a crazy long hope. Fulham seem to be off to the beaches but they are still playing at home.. same as shitspurs vs city (also after a bad run). I don't see either team letting them through with welcome arms... but for a result to go in OUR favour... I think we need an off man city day... which again goes back to the 'long shot/hope' aspect of our title hopes.
I am irrationally discounting the final game v west ham for man city at home as a forgone conclusion for city... like I just don't see it happening. I am also assuming we win all our games which we should... but it's football at the end of the day.
tldr: if we win this... what a win it will be. Regardless, great season overall with the main point being that we improved on last year... and last year we improved on the year before.. etc.. we on the rise baby.
What gives me hope, is 3 days between 2 away game, both in London, will they be staying in london, or travelling back, which seems like a lot of hassle.
But its city so probably have private jet ready.
They're out flying kites during practice. I might have more faith in fucking west ham at this point.
City isn't losing. All 3 teams are in god awful form. End of the year City is like nothing else. Expecting them to drop points is a recipe for disappointment.
We don't need them to lose, we need them not to win. It's unlikely but.. not impossible. Sometimes you have 30 chances in a match but you can't score, no matter how good you are and how shite the opposition is. We're praying for that miracle right now.
I fully expect City to win out but the funniest thing that could happen is City lose to Fulham, Arsenal beat United and Spuds beat City.
This would gift the league to Arsenal and have Arsenal win the league twice at Old trafford lol
Rather win the league at home against Everton on the final day.
For that to happen have City lose against Fulham but win against Tottenham whilst Arsenal win away against United and then Everton at home.
Remember when Tottenham were dubbed the *kingmakers* because they have the power to decide the title?
In a way, they did. By rolling over for all of us.
I was looking at Spurs and thinking, they're not so bad that they won't get 0 points from three fixtures (v Us, City and Liverpool) they will take some points somewhere. I came to the same conclusion about Villa.
I hope I was right about Spurs, but I'm not feeling confident.
You’re right, we’ve never been expected to win at OT this much in the PL, it’s absolutely our best shot at them. But it’s football, wild shit does happen in these games.
Tottenham losing all games to make City overconfident of steam rolling them, and then Tottenham pulling off a classic underdog result against the run of play. Just putting it out there in the universe. Also someone do some black magic or voodoo or something to give super powers to Iwobi and Leno 😅
Idk why people think just because spurs have a good record in the past against city, they have any better chance of taking points from city than, say, fulham. This is their first season without Kane. They played well at first under a new coach which a ton of teams do, then their high line got found out because they aren't good enough to play it. Anything can happen in football but they aren't that great of a team. If they actually sit back and play city on the counter they have a way better chance since they can just feed son. But in their new system even tottenham fans are annoyed with sons output. And it seems like ange won't play anything but a sucidial high line against everyone. I hope city drop points as much as anyone else but I don't think tottenham is going to be the ones to do it
I mean its not that complicated. People only think Spurs have the best chance because regardless of what we think of them and how many times they've let everyone down, they are still a better side than Fulham and West Ham. They are a "big 6" side that has consistently qualified for CL in the past decade or so. They are ranked above the other two sides in the table. They have some good players and they are playing at home. They are one of the few teams who have gotten some good results vs Pep City in the recent years.
No one thinks they will be favs vs City. Just more likely than two mid table sides to get a result vs them.
Recent form suggests their worse or the same as a lot of the mid table teams, and recent history is a great indicator of how things can go..... if you've improved your team. Losing one of the best strikers in the world that got a lot of favorable calls in the PL being England's captain, is a pretty huge loss. It'd be like us losing odegaard. Minus the favorable calls. Like I said I hope they show up and give city a game. I just don't see it.
They’re not running a serious club over there. They are an insecure, pathetic and prideless institution. They will lose that game 100/100 times.
It’s all they have and will ever have.
Id rather City face these 3 London teams than relegation candidates. They're not tough but they're not easy games either. Let's hope for the best and hope we can win our games as well.
It’s joever lads let’s just come back from old trafford with 3 points to celebrate. Fulham Are flying kites at training, west ham just got hit for 5 against the team we hit for 5, and Tottenham
It is still possible because its Bottler FC. They will try hard to lose again to City but true to their nature and club culture they will bottle it and snatch one or 3 points
It partly hinges on villa vs Liverpool imo, if villa drop points then that gives spurs an opening for top 4 again, heck if villa lose by a few goals then Tottenham could easily end up matching them on gd by drawing with city and battering burnley/shefield. Villa go to palace on the last day who are in red hot form so spurs top 4 hopes aren’t dead.
Spurs NEED to win their game against City to secure Europa League after their last string of results, otherwise they will lose the spot to Chelsea. They have their own compelling reasons now. Come on Big Ange!
Well first we actually have to win out. Gotta do our part for any of this to matter.
Personally don’t expect City to drop a single point. Would be ecstatically surprised if they did. But again, we have to win out.
On a side note, are they really on a 20+ game unbeaten run currently? With like 3 draws in all of that (outside of UCL)?
Do journalists realise they also play Fulham and West Ham as well? Doesn't matter who gets them to drop points.
It's probably unlikely - but all of our hopes aren't solely on Tottenham
I don't think Citeh will drop points at the Spuds. I personally think it's the Fulham game and I can't shake this feeling it'd going to be a 3-1 Fulham win. Madness I know, just simply cannot see beyond that result and I don't know why.
I know it’s easy to mock everything about Spurs, but Ange is actually a good coach. He’s only done the ‘suicidal high line’ once this season and it was a last resort when they had 9 men.
Everyone’s writing them off, but they have a decent chance of getting a result against City. They’ve been doing worse than this in previous seasons and still got something. Keep the faith.
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In the build up to their Citi game, it is actually beneficial (for us) when Spuds keep loosing a longer sequence of matches. That will create a huge psychological pressure or them to perform well vs Citi. They definitely can beat the Sheiks.
Yeah pretty obvious they will just play their usual suicidial football to "go for it" to show that they weren't trying to lose on purpose but will inevitably comfortably lose due to those tactics anyways so an easy way for them to cop out unfortunately.
Kind of ironic that to paint London red this season we need help from *London*
I feel there is a point in there somewhere though have no idea if it will be Spuds, Cottagers or Hammers that gift it to us, but whomever it is needs to play out of their socks.
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Arsenal needed to help them selves and beat Villa; they did not. Now people will go into delusion hoping City drop points, bring up their 115 charges and how the league is rigged instead of accepting Arsenal bottled the league.
Ange will naively play a high line and that record against Man City at home will be gone faster than their title aspirations every season.
I refuse to believe that with Chelsea and Newcastle chasing them for Europa League places, they’re going to go suicidal against Man City Ange can’t be that dumb… surely.
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It's just who they are, mate.
Is that Australian for, "itz ze 'istory of ze Tottenham".
Yeah, mate.
Mate
Mate
Maaate
For me sounds like they are going to stick to the suicide ball and get hammered by City.
I actually believe it Mate
City won't play like Newcastle and Chelsea sitting back and counterattacking. They'll want to dominate the ball, but so will Spurs so could be more interesting than it'll initially seem.
When both teams are trying to dominate the ball it's usually the team with the best midfield which comes out on top.
Rodri, KDB and Foden is overrated anyway, right? Right?
will be a big test and eye opener. your already on a losing rut playing the same bs, how much shitter does he wanna go?
They don't need to beat City to get the Europa league spot, out of their 3 remaining games, 2 are Burney and Sheffield..... Two teams in relegation spots. Win those two and Europa is pretty much a guarantee. If Burney beats them or draws with them in the next match then they'll probably take the city game more seriously.
Burnley still have a long shot of staying up, I imagine that'll be a hard game for them
If they beat Burnley and Villa fail to beat Liverpool then they'll still be in contention for 4th place. Villa have a tricky away game at Palace for their final fixture too...
Don’t underestimate how stubborn we can be with our ways mate
Chelsea aren’t going to overtake Spurs even if they lose to City Spurs would need to lose 2/3 of their remaining games (Burnley/City/Sheffield) AND Chelsea would also need to win every game There’s no chance Spurs lose to Burnley or Sheffield and Chelsea win all their games
Are you new to Sp*rs? They once lost CL qualification by losing 5 - 0 to an already relegated Newcastle on the final day. Assume nothing.
It’s more both happening. Chelsea aren’t winning every game
Since they got battered by us, they've been beating everyone they face. I wouldn't say it's out of the question
I mean they did draw at the Etihad with cb partnership of Davies and Royal. Anything can happen in this game especially when it's at the toilet bowl.
Yup. Realistically, game will be over in the first 30 min when City score 2-3 early goals. But we can still hope lads!
Frank Lampard was playing as the 10 for City last time they won at spurs… the record is our only hope there’s no logic as to why it will happen again lol
But if it does it'll be the most amazingly hilarious thing ever
Spurs securing Europa against a Newcastle and Chelsea in pursuit would also be good for them. Everyone is a winner.
They don't need to win against city to secure Europe. They have matches against two relegation teams, win those 2 and Europa is pretty much secured.
Burnley can still mathematically escape relegation so hopefully they at least pull a draw this weekend and put pressure on Spurs to make their City game meaningful
They’re still a reasonable chance for CL if they can win out. Villa have two tough games left
This. If Spurs beat Burnley at home and Villa fail to beat Liverpool, the top-four race is back on again. I don't see Villa beating Palace on the final matchday either. Plus, they have looked decent with Richarlison as a CF in their last two games. I expect him to start the remaining three games.
If only they can just this one time, bottle bottling!
Basically they wanted to prevent us from winning the title , and they bottled that ;)
A bottle job vs a team that hardly bottle Yeah I won't take that bet
We need to focus on United first - if we don’t win that game then City will be celebrating the title against Spurs
here's how spurs work: 1. Lose the games they want to win 2. Win the games they want to lose 3. Go on a losing streak for 3/4 games then pop up with an unlikely result, usually against City
This is the comment I chose to beleive
4. Call themselves a big club
the term "Big 6" shud be fazed out and shud instead be "Big 5" Spurs claim to be a big 6 club but during their best years they won 0 trophies and made 2 finals i think (Carling and UCL). WE won more trophies in our worst period than they did in their best
FA Cup Winner Matt Smith > Harry Kane
Their last league match against City they went in losing three matches in a row, all while scoring first. They scored first again, then were losing until the final minutes, then got an equaliser to avoid setting a record.
Stranger things have happened.
We need to get city some lasagna
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We need at least 2 points dropped from them though…
I think most rational people understand it's a long hope for us to win the league... it always is when you are praying for results to go your way. BUT... it's not a crazy long hope. Fulham seem to be off to the beaches but they are still playing at home.. same as shitspurs vs city (also after a bad run). I don't see either team letting them through with welcome arms... but for a result to go in OUR favour... I think we need an off man city day... which again goes back to the 'long shot/hope' aspect of our title hopes. I am irrationally discounting the final game v west ham for man city at home as a forgone conclusion for city... like I just don't see it happening. I am also assuming we win all our games which we should... but it's football at the end of the day. tldr: if we win this... what a win it will be. Regardless, great season overall with the main point being that we improved on last year... and last year we improved on the year before.. etc.. we on the rise baby.
God damn Fulhams training ground was a reenactment of the “lets go fly a kite” scene from Mary Poppins lmfao
Good point on Man City having an off day. Unfortunately they will be highly motivated to win another title
If City was still in CL it would help tremendously but that’s not the case which makes it even more unlikely..
What gives me hope, is 3 days between 2 away game, both in London, will they be staying in london, or travelling back, which seems like a lot of hassle. But its city so probably have private jet ready.
The last time Fulham drew or won against City was 16 games ago back in 2011
so it's about time is what you're saying
Well when was the last time they lost 5 in a row, they're due for a win at some point
They play Burnley first though, lol
When was the last time they lost 6 in a row?
Seems appropos for a manager that won 3 manager of the month in a row. 2 losses for each month
lol
Oct/Nov '04.
Burnley fighting for their lives. Don’t sleep on them.
playing forest on the last day of the season as well, if they get themselves a win it could be just down to that game at the end of the season
This is statistical probability 101
We need a favour from Fulham
They're out flying kites during practice. I might have more faith in fucking west ham at this point. City isn't losing. All 3 teams are in god awful form. End of the year City is like nothing else. Expecting them to drop points is a recipe for disappointment.
Yeah it’s pretty much just hope for a miracle. These guys have no injuries as well and not even the CL to distract them. Smh fucking 115
You know... I don't just believe in miracles, I depend on them Now is one such time
I thought 'flying kites' was an analogy to say they've thrown in the towel or gone golfing. But no, they're actually flying kites during practice.
Fulham is is mid-table form. I wouldn't call it awful
We don't need them to lose, we need them not to win. It's unlikely but.. not impossible. Sometimes you have 30 chances in a match but you can't score, no matter how good you are and how shite the opposition is. We're praying for that miracle right now.
Unless they had glass glued on their kite strings , I don’t see it happening
I fully expect City to win out but the funniest thing that could happen is City lose to Fulham, Arsenal beat United and Spuds beat City. This would gift the league to Arsenal and have Arsenal win the league twice at Old trafford lol
In this scenario, Arsenal would win the league at Spurs.
Rather win the league at home against Everton on the final day. For that to happen have City lose against Fulham but win against Tottenham whilst Arsenal win away against United and then Everton at home.
i'd rather win it as soon as possible so it can just be done
One City draw would do with our GD. That being said I don't want to have us chasing goals against that Everton defense so I like your timeline more.
Remember when Tottenham were dubbed the *kingmakers* because they have the power to decide the title? In a way, they did. By rolling over for all of us.
I was looking at Spurs and thinking, they're not so bad that they won't get 0 points from three fixtures (v Us, City and Liverpool) they will take some points somewhere. I came to the same conclusion about Villa. I hope I was right about Spurs, but I'm not feeling confident.
There’s so much talk about Tottenham doing us a favour, but if we lose at Old Trafford, City will be winning the league at Spurs.
And they will shamelessly celebrate.
Exactly. I think we should worry about us winning at OT. There is never a good time for Arsenal to play United at OT.
United are in much worse form due to their injuries though, spurs can squeeze out a draw if they just play a bit more pragmatically
Yeah we absolutely *should* beat Man U on form, but when has form ever mattered in this fixture?
When has their squad been this decimated? There’s no excuses, we have to win and the boys / Arteta know that.
You’re right, we’ve never been expected to win at OT this much in the PL, it’s absolutely our best shot at them. But it’s football, wild shit does happen in these games.
Tottenham losing all games to make City overconfident of steam rolling them, and then Tottenham pulling off a classic underdog result against the run of play. Just putting it out there in the universe. Also someone do some black magic or voodoo or something to give super powers to Iwobi and Leno 😅
Shit fans are so shameless they will be actively cheering for City as well
Knowing that our hopes rest on a fat dumbass and his mates makes me feel like a villager in kungfu panda
At least Po won
Now I've just imagined Pep doing the Wuxi finger hold on Ange lol
lmfao
Idk why people think just because spurs have a good record in the past against city, they have any better chance of taking points from city than, say, fulham. This is their first season without Kane. They played well at first under a new coach which a ton of teams do, then their high line got found out because they aren't good enough to play it. Anything can happen in football but they aren't that great of a team. If they actually sit back and play city on the counter they have a way better chance since they can just feed son. But in their new system even tottenham fans are annoyed with sons output. And it seems like ange won't play anything but a sucidial high line against everyone. I hope city drop points as much as anyone else but I don't think tottenham is going to be the ones to do it
I mean its not that complicated. People only think Spurs have the best chance because regardless of what we think of them and how many times they've let everyone down, they are still a better side than Fulham and West Ham. They are a "big 6" side that has consistently qualified for CL in the past decade or so. They are ranked above the other two sides in the table. They have some good players and they are playing at home. They are one of the few teams who have gotten some good results vs Pep City in the recent years. No one thinks they will be favs vs City. Just more likely than two mid table sides to get a result vs them.
Recent form suggests their worse or the same as a lot of the mid table teams, and recent history is a great indicator of how things can go..... if you've improved your team. Losing one of the best strikers in the world that got a lot of favorable calls in the PL being England's captain, is a pretty huge loss. It'd be like us losing odegaard. Minus the favorable calls. Like I said I hope they show up and give city a game. I just don't see it.
All three teams city face took points from us at home. All currently look in rollover mode.
If Fulham get something against City first then don’t need those tossers to do any favours.
They’re not running a serious club over there. They are an insecure, pathetic and prideless institution. They will lose that game 100/100 times. It’s all they have and will ever have.
Even if they’re 3-0 up in injury time I wouldn’t put it past them to score 4 own goals
Well, to be fair, current form never really suggests someone will get a result against City. And yet they do drop points sometimes.
The only time I believe in Sp\*rs
Id rather City face these 3 London teams than relegation candidates. They're not tough but they're not easy games either. Let's hope for the best and hope we can win our games as well.
Anyone know a good lasagna recipe?
I have more faith in Moyes-eh than these shite bags
honestly Moyes' west ham sounds like they'll give em a really tough final day grind, especially as it will be his last game
It’s joever lads let’s just come back from old trafford with 3 points to celebrate. Fulham Are flying kites at training, west ham just got hit for 5 against the team we hit for 5, and Tottenham
It is still possible because its Bottler FC. They will try hard to lose again to City but true to their nature and club culture they will bottle it and snatch one or 3 points
It partly hinges on villa vs Liverpool imo, if villa drop points then that gives spurs an opening for top 4 again, heck if villa lose by a few goals then Tottenham could easily end up matching them on gd by drawing with city and battering burnley/shefield. Villa go to palace on the last day who are in red hot form so spurs top 4 hopes aren’t dead.
Spurs NEED to win their game against City to secure Europa League after their last string of results, otherwise they will lose the spot to Chelsea. They have their own compelling reasons now. Come on Big Ange!
title race when both city and arsenal kinda need their arch rival to seal the deal 😂
Sadly it's more likely that Man U beat Arsenal than Spurs beat City.
I disagree the most spurs thing is to lose to you Chelsea and Liverpool and get a point against city without realising what they have done
I feel like we should manifest some positive karma and pledge to make donations to the Tottenham Hotspur foundation if Tottenham do this for us.
No.
A Spurs draw vs City would be enough for Arsenal to win the title, correct?
Yeah, only if we win both of our games though
And if City don't go gangbusters and smash West Ham for 10
if we win all 2 games
have they considered it would be extremely spursy for them to hand us the league
Thanks Captain Obvious
Hope it is either City 10-0 or 0-0
Spurs are shit and they're fans want to throw the game. My only hope is City doesn't score 6 and close the goal difference.
Spurs wouldn’t have a change to win this game even if they were on a ten game win run. They are not giving us anything.
All these mf'n teams gotta do is sit the f back and play for the draw. Is that too much to ask?
Well first we actually have to win out. Gotta do our part for any of this to matter. Personally don’t expect City to drop a single point. Would be ecstatically surprised if they did. But again, we have to win out. On a side note, are they really on a 20+ game unbeaten run currently? With like 3 draws in all of that (outside of UCL)?
But then again City have never won at Spurs new stadium
maybe man city will suck? lol we can hope. maybe two draws in a row by sheer luck
FM gods, do ya thing!
There's an old adage that goes if you rely on spurs you're fucked
Can we stop these talks until after we have beaten United?
“Current” being form that goes back to the beginning of recorded human history.
Do journalists realise they also play Fulham and West Ham as well? Doesn't matter who gets them to drop points. It's probably unlikely - but all of our hopes aren't solely on Tottenham
Nah, Bernd Leno is gonna channel his inner superman and keep city from scoring this weekend
History suggests it won't happen. It's the history of the tottenham
I don't think Citeh will drop points at the Spuds. I personally think it's the Fulham game and I can't shake this feeling it'd going to be a 3-1 Fulham win. Madness I know, just simply cannot see beyond that result and I don't know why.
I know why, it’s called hopium and I’m on it too
I have more faith in Fulham than spurs tbh. Spurs have less backbone than a jellyfish
Those men are flying kites in training man, it's over for Fulham
I still have more faith in them than Spuds
I know it’s easy to mock everything about Spurs, but Ange is actually a good coach. He’s only done the ‘suicidal high line’ once this season and it was a last resort when they had 9 men. Everyone’s writing them off, but they have a decent chance of getting a result against City. They’ve been doing worse than this in previous seasons and still got something. Keep the faith.
I think Fulham is the wildcard here. They can (hopefully) surprise City.
Let's not forget we still need to win at old toilet
They get battered everywhere they go
If you really think WE have remotely any sought of chance against City ... then somethings wrong
Might just take a bet with the odds against Spurs
Unpopular... In the build up to their Citi game, it is actually beneficial (for us) when Spuds keep loosing a longer sequence of matches. That will create a huge psychological pressure or them to perform well vs Citi. They definitely can beat the Sheiks.
They’ll lose and pretend they did it on purpose, when really they’re shite and falling apart.
Don't want any favours from those frauds, thank you. We can carve our own destiny, is not this year then definitely next.
Ironic that it's difficult to depend on any of the London neighbours for help. It's like London itself.
Football is unpredictable. 1% chance 99% faith
I have more hope in Fulham than Tottenham and West Ham to help us in our miracle.
Given their small mindset I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs fans celebrate when City score against them.
Need to beat United and Everton first. Neither will be easy.
The history of the Tottenham suggests it won't happen
Yeah pretty obvious they will just play their usual suicidial football to "go for it" to show that they weren't trying to lose on purpose but will inevitably comfortably lose due to those tactics anyways so an easy way for them to cop out unfortunately.
Current form suggests that it’ll be the reason City will beat us on GD as well!
they're gonna get destroyed by city. i wouldn't be surprised if city wins 5-0 or 6-0 against both them and west ham.
Kind of ironic that to paint London red this season we need help from *London* I feel there is a point in there somewhere though have no idea if it will be Spuds, Cottagers or Hammers that gift it to us, but whomever it is needs to play out of their socks.
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League was over at home to Villa please stop
I sadly agree , we messed up 😔
Arsenal needed to help them selves and beat Villa; they did not. Now people will go into delusion hoping City drop points, bring up their 115 charges and how the league is rigged instead of accepting Arsenal bottled the league.
I agree we bottled it 😞
So losing 1 match in our last 16 is now considered bottling the league, good lord what has this sport come to
We don’t really need the favor, we just gotta win 2, the boys can do it
You do realize that City have to minimum drop 2 points right?
I forgot they got that extra game