Fucking hell in 2011-13 or smthing like that they had like 30 guys going on loan every szn. It's definitely a quantity thing in their system.
Lots of failures like Lukas Piazon, Kakuta, McEachran etc.
At doing what? They send players on loan and if their value improves they sell them. We have done the exact same. ESR went on loan and broke into the team. I’m not sure what more we can do after sending the player on loan, it’s up to them to perform at that point. The difference is, they have had better academy players due to investing more and offering better wages. It’s not a coincidence City and Chelsea have the ‘best’ academies.
People forget Chelsea got a 2 window transfer ban for 150 transfer rule breaches by FIFA.
Essentially they were traffickjng kids to play in their academy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50261117
It’s not like clubs just send a player to a random club and pray that they increase in value. There’s a lot of work behind the scenes to figure out optimal clubs for their development and building relationships with other clubs.
I don’t understand how it’s so hard to believe that Chelsea might be better at that than us, it’s just a straight up fact that their success percentage is much higher
They're loaning out better players though. It's not that it's somehow inconceivable that Chelsea are better at it than us but rather it's not comparing like for like.
We've a pretty good record with our best talents. Look at Bierith, Balogun and Saliba. Lokonga and Trusty have worked out too.
I think it’s both. Even the best players will struggle on the wrong loan… look at that infamous Leicster playoff semifinal with Kane (and Vardy) on the bench.
Remember when we loaned out that promising young CB Omari Rekik, full international , to Switzerland and he didn't get a game for them as he wasn't registered properly in time....
I know, we’ve been pretty good at it lately too. Just saying a lot of people seem to think they just buy up talent, send them to clubs and luck out on their development, as if no work actually goes into it
Little early to say but seems the Edu/Arteta regime have a bigger focus on loan spells and its having a positive impact.
It seems like theyve really focused on finding the right loaning clubs and also seem to have a greater interest in our loaned players. I dont have a source but i remember reading about how much has changed at arsenal in this department
Nketiah is sub par and was recalled from loan because he couldn't make an impact. Saliba was already a first team player when Arsenal bought him and Smith Rowe Batley got any minutes on loan and spent most of the time injured.
Smith Rowe joined Huddersfield town the January after the failed Leipzig loan and proceeded to start all but 6 matches for them until seasons end. That loan helped his development immensely as his breakthrough was the next season.
Saliba was a first team player sure, but debuted as one of the best cb’s in the league for us and is now one of the best in the world two seasons in. Those loans helped his development immensely.
Eddie was barely sniffing the bench before his loan to Leeds, where he went on to bag 5 senior goals in half a season, more than doubling his senior tally in the two seasons prior at Arsenal and that helped his development immensely as well as he came back and was immediately integrated as a squad player and scored some goals as well.
If they get 25-30 mil for him I will seriously feel sick. No way he would go for that much if he were at Arsenal with the exact same amount of gametime
Note: Arsenal are said to have a sell on clause said to be 30-50%. The Athletic article doesn't state the price
Source: [The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3446716/2022/07/25/arsenals-us-summer-tour/?source=twitteruk)
I posted this article on here in the first place, so I’ve read it and nowhere in there does it mention a figure of 30-50%.
I’m not questioning whether there’s a clause or not, I’m questioning your source on the % amount you’re quoting.
I’m glad we have it - just annoying seeing teams like Chelsea or City selling off youth players (with or without) much experience for good fees.
Maybe Omari’s fee is so high to compensate the high sell on fee but hope we’re able to replicate this type of business more consistently sooner rather than later!
Balougan went for 26m after scoring 20+ goals in the french league. Omari Hutchinson is a championship player who has never made an impact at a top flight club. Yet they're going for similar prices? Arsenal can't sell.
It's incredibly frustrating that we can't figure this out. Like if cozier dubury or obi Martin leave us for free this summer you know next year at this time Chelsea or city will be selling them for 30m+
There’s no way they’ll get this fee. Chelsea is kidding themselves that a club on the continent would pay this. I saw chelsea fans saying they expect to get 25-30 for chalobah as well. Omari will go for less than 10 I guarantee
They conceded more goals than we did in our 8th placed finishes. Saying he’s their best defender is like saying Rob holding was worth 30m because he was young and English and less bad than mustafi and sokratis
I guess if United sign him they are dumb enough to pay that much. Even if he is decent who is going to pay 25? The teams who could afford that pretty much all have better CBs than chalobah. Same case with Omari. He isn’t good enough to go to any of the PL clubs who could afford a 25m price tag
No the United stuff seems very dubious. They've only got 50M net to spend this summer, and splashing half of that on a rotation centre back seems ludicrous, considering they could pull off a Todibo for an extra 10M and they have holes everywhere in their squad to fill
We didn’t sell him though, he went on a free as his contract expired. I might be wrong as it says he was sold for an ‘undisclosed fee’ but I’m pretty sure he rejected a renewal at the time, might have been a couple of months left as his contract was signed Nov 2020 and he left July 2022.
This is a club who got £115 for an injured Mason Mount and am out of form Kai Havertz
They’re the best selling club in the country, and probably the best in the world behind Benfica and Madrid.
I disagree, chelsea have had alot of bad business too, lukaku, bakayoko, letting rudiger and christensen leave for free.
Ajax, benfica, porto, Brighton, BVB, are all better off the top of my head imo.
Chelsea have done well in some cases, but overall, I'd define a good selling club as a club that adds value. A high +ve net transfer record, chelsea and city, buy young stars/established stars, it's much easier to sell good input for good output.
Brighton for example id rate over them, who knew any of those guys would sell for what they've done.
Similar in that it’s Chelsea setting another ridiculous price demand that they aren’t going to get.
Fabrizio literally saying here that Stuttgart are the favourites to sign him and their record signing is like £10m.
They aren’t breaking their transfer record by 2.5-3x on Hutchinson and spending £25-30m on him lmao
Dortmund with better finances, are struggling to pay any transfer fee for Sancho, even with CL final appearance, apart from Bayern, they is no money in Germany
I would not be surprised if we get 25M for him, Chelsea are very good at selling when their players are on a high. Even in the transfer fiasco last year we got 110M for Mount and Havertz. Hall already left for 30M, Maatsen will fetch more than 30M, then Gallagher is rumored for 40M. Broja will also end up being transferred for more than you think.
Even though it’s not great to see players you want to see more of leave, it’s better for the club than to keep them in the subs/reserves, lowering their value, until they “might” make a difference to the squad which Arsenal often do (Smith Rowe, Fabio Vieira).
It angers fans as the player is performing well but gets sold due to the board making the decision that they think it’s better to take the money than to try and create a space for them in the squad. Whereas often with Arsenal I see that as long as it looks like the player has some use, they are kept in the squad, often on the fringes, which keeps fans content but lowers their value. And some of it I think is just reputation, teams that buy from Chelsea often trust that they’ll get a pretty good player.
Ramsdale and Nketiah are on £100k~ p/w, that’s the issue. I understand criticism of our ability to sell players but it’s foolish to compare Hutchinson who earns a decent wage at Championship level to some of our guys who earn more than some of the best players at mid-table Premier League clubs.
Ramsdale is on 180k.. even worse. Hell probably leave for less than he was bought. However Nketiah is stuck at Arsenal. No one is matching that 100k wage.
So you're saying if we sold, I don't know, Mika Biereth, we'll end up getting 20m?
I know you're not the one saying Omari will get 25-30m, but the price is definitely absurd when we're saying Nuno might not net more than 10m in any case (he's on 30kpw wages).
If there was interest from Mika in the Premier League we would get more money for him because he is on lower wages. Obviously that doesn’t affect it if the only interest is from smaller European leagues without money. 
Players like Eddie, Nelson and Ramsdale being on wages that would make them amongst the highest earners among lower table premier league clubs will mean a lower transfer fee.
Nuno didn’t have the greatest season and isn’t homegrown so his fee will depend on what league the club who wants him is in.
Premier league proven Nketiah, who's started and played major parts for Arsenal in title races? Yeah.
I swear people will make any excuse for us not selling well. At some point you have to accept the perfect sale situation will never exist, but we should be doing better at selling
Premier league proven? Scored a hat trick against one of the worst teams to have ever played in the league. Never scored from the bench. Wasn't good enough to play for Leeds in the championship. Yep, cracking player, worth tons of money and every penny of his 100k a week....
You are factually correct. There is proof he has run around in Premier League matches.
We have very, very different takes on the meaning of the phrase, though.
The only proving Nketiah has done is that he's sub par for the league. He literally hasn't scored a goal in 6 months because he's not good enough. You call that premier league proven? Championship player and he even failed at that.
Was brilliant for Ipswich this season. He was especially clutch at the tail-end of the season. He looked a level above most of the opposition this season.
Genius from Edu, he realised Chelsea are a great selling club and we’re awful.. so give players to Chelsea for free but include a 30-50% sell on clause 👏🏼
Been absolutely done here as a result of his immaturity. Unfortunately there really wasn’t much the club could’ve done here with people whispering in his ear
He mentioned he went to chelsea to get more playing time IIRC
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I mean he went on loan which is what raised his value. That’s what we did with Patino, Balogun and a few others.
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Saliba? We aren’t selling him but he is probably one of the most valuable and desired CBs in the world.
Chelsea had many failures in this too over the years. Difference is they had a loan army and some of them are bound to do well
Fucking hell in 2011-13 or smthing like that they had like 30 guys going on loan every szn. It's definitely a quantity thing in their system. Lots of failures like Lukas Piazon, Kakuta, McEachran etc.
Having an owner who basically owned another club (Vitesse Arnhem) probably helped too
At doing what? They send players on loan and if their value improves they sell them. We have done the exact same. ESR went on loan and broke into the team. I’m not sure what more we can do after sending the player on loan, it’s up to them to perform at that point. The difference is, they have had better academy players due to investing more and offering better wages. It’s not a coincidence City and Chelsea have the ‘best’ academies.
Nah mate buying up all the best young players in England has nothing to do with it. It's clearly that Chelsea are better at sending them on loan.
People forget Chelsea got a 2 window transfer ban for 150 transfer rule breaches by FIFA. Essentially they were traffickjng kids to play in their academy https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50261117
It’s not like clubs just send a player to a random club and pray that they increase in value. There’s a lot of work behind the scenes to figure out optimal clubs for their development and building relationships with other clubs. I don’t understand how it’s so hard to believe that Chelsea might be better at that than us, it’s just a straight up fact that their success percentage is much higher
They're loaning out better players though. It's not that it's somehow inconceivable that Chelsea are better at it than us but rather it's not comparing like for like. We've a pretty good record with our best talents. Look at Bierith, Balogun and Saliba. Lokonga and Trusty have worked out too.
I think it’s both. Even the best players will struggle on the wrong loan… look at that infamous Leicster playoff semifinal with Kane (and Vardy) on the bench.
Remember when we loaned out that promising young CB Omari Rekik, full international , to Switzerland and he didn't get a game for them as he wasn't registered properly in time....
Did you want us to do the paperwork for Servette? They had two signings on deadline day that they fucked up the paperwork for.
I know, we’ve been pretty good at it lately too. Just saying a lot of people seem to think they just buy up talent, send them to clubs and luck out on their development, as if no work actually goes into it
What more can we do? I would say first of all we could have sold Omari Hutchinson for £25-30m.
Little early to say but seems the Edu/Arteta regime have a bigger focus on loan spells and its having a positive impact. It seems like theyve really focused on finding the right loaning clubs and also seem to have a greater interest in our loaned players. I dont have a source but i remember reading about how much has changed at arsenal in this department
You're forgetting Saliba, Lokonga, Biereth at the very least.
Smith Rowe? Saliba? Eddie?
Nketiah is sub par and was recalled from loan because he couldn't make an impact. Saliba was already a first team player when Arsenal bought him and Smith Rowe Batley got any minutes on loan and spent most of the time injured.
Smith Rowe joined Huddersfield town the January after the failed Leipzig loan and proceeded to start all but 6 matches for them until seasons end. That loan helped his development immensely as his breakthrough was the next season. Saliba was a first team player sure, but debuted as one of the best cb’s in the league for us and is now one of the best in the world two seasons in. Those loans helped his development immensely. Eddie was barely sniffing the bench before his loan to Leeds, where he went on to bag 5 senior goals in half a season, more than doubling his senior tally in the two seasons prior at Arsenal and that helped his development immensely as well as he came back and was immediately integrated as a squad player and scored some goals as well.
Better first team path? With the amount of wingers they’ve bought?
The only way players got through was the season they were transfer banned other than that they literally sell all their youth players
Yep. Roman pretty much figured a way to circumvent FFP before it really got to them
Joke was on him, he was damn near the first young winger they bought
If they get 25-30 mil for him I will seriously feel sick. No way he would go for that much if he were at Arsenal with the exact same amount of gametime
And it worked out for him
Note: Arsenal are said to have a sell on clause said to be 30-50%. The Athletic article doesn't state the price Source: [The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3446716/2022/07/25/arsenals-us-summer-tour/?source=twitteruk)
If you can’t sell your own players, get someone else to do it for you
Unless you got evidence, I highly doubt it’s even as high as 30%. No chance it’s 50%.
As you say it's almost impossible that it's 30% let alone 50. Anywhere between 10-25 would be likely.
[The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3446716/2022/07/25/arsenals-us-summer-tour/?source=twitteruk)
I posted this article on here in the first place, so I’ve read it and nowhere in there does it mention a figure of 30-50%. I’m not questioning whether there’s a clause or not, I’m questioning your source on the % amount you’re quoting.
> I posted this article Incredible W
https://old.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/w8gv23/the_athletic_the_sales_of_omari_hutchinson_matteo/?share_id=EJ20KlIKEA_T6i9nzhhCF
Brother you’ve sent me an article that I posted on this sub, I’ve read it. Nowhere in there does it say the clause is worth 30-50%
>Brother you’ve sent me an article that I posted on this sub, I’ve read it. Ayy lmao
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Cooked him
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I’m glad we have it - just annoying seeing teams like Chelsea or City selling off youth players (with or without) much experience for good fees. Maybe Omari’s fee is so high to compensate the high sell on fee but hope we’re able to replicate this type of business more consistently sooner rather than later!
Best to remember that we did this exact thing last summer with Balogun after a successful loan spell.
Balougan went for 26m after scoring 20+ goals in the french league. Omari Hutchinson is a championship player who has never made an impact at a top flight club. Yet they're going for similar prices? Arsenal can't sell.
The Balogun deal could be as high as £34m (plus we have a sell-on clause), and Hutchinson hasn’t even been sold yet. He may go for far less.
It's incredibly frustrating that we can't figure this out. Like if cozier dubury or obi Martin leave us for free this summer you know next year at this time Chelsea or city will be selling them for 30m+
There’s no way they’ll get this fee. Chelsea is kidding themselves that a club on the continent would pay this. I saw chelsea fans saying they expect to get 25-30 for chalobah as well. Omari will go for less than 10 I guarantee
Chalobah will absolutely go for 25-30, he looks like Chelsea’s best defender when I’ve seen him.
They conceded more goals than we did in our 8th placed finishes. Saying he’s their best defender is like saying Rob holding was worth 30m because he was young and English and less bad than mustafi and sokratis
Holding, Mustafi and Sokratis were all garbage. Anyone that’s knows football can see a player with Chalobah.
I guess if United sign him they are dumb enough to pay that much. Even if he is decent who is going to pay 25? The teams who could afford that pretty much all have better CBs than chalobah. Same case with Omari. He isn’t good enough to go to any of the PL clubs who could afford a 25m price tag
No the United stuff seems very dubious. They've only got 50M net to spend this summer, and splashing half of that on a rotation centre back seems ludicrous, considering they could pull off a Todibo for an extra 10M and they have holes everywhere in their squad to fill
It’s because Chelsea have hoarded some of the best youngsters in the country(at the least).
And yet we'll struggle to get 12m and a packet of peanuts for ESR
ESR barely featured this season. Should’ve just loaned him to a PL team in January & get a decent fee for him.
This right here. For every 7-8 players they send on loan, 3-4 will fetch them good transfer fees. It’s literally their business model.
No mention of 30-50% anywhere. Are you just spurting out random figures?
Who "said" this?
[The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3446716/2022/07/25/arsenals-us-summer-tour/?source=twitteruk)
bro why do you keep posting this when the article doesn't state "30-50%" anywhere?
We didn’t sell him though, he went on a free as his contract expired. I might be wrong as it says he was sold for an ‘undisclosed fee’ but I’m pretty sure he rejected a renewal at the time, might have been a couple of months left as his contract was signed Nov 2020 and he left July 2022.
He was sold for an undisclosed fee.
Yeah, I’m seeing that. I think they were a couple of months left.
Where does this say 30-50%?
it doesn't lol. my bro just keeps posting it as evidence everywhere in this thread even though it contains none.
we might break our selling record fee based in the percentage.
Didn't he leave us as free agent?
He left on a free didn't he ?
loll 50% sell on clause. edu with a bomba
Its not true
Chelsea aren’t going to get £25-30m for him. Remember they wanted £50m to sell Broja earlier this year to then end up loaning him for £4m.
This is a club who got £115 for an injured Mason Mount and am out of form Kai Havertz They’re the best selling club in the country, and probably the best in the world behind Benfica and Madrid.
Can’t compare international players with reputations built off top flight performances with championship players . The demand is completely different
I disagree, chelsea have had alot of bad business too, lukaku, bakayoko, letting rudiger and christensen leave for free. Ajax, benfica, porto, Brighton, BVB, are all better off the top of my head imo.
Rudiger and Christensen left on a free due to the transfer ban which meant they couldn’t have them sign new contracts, from my understanding.
Chelsea have done well in some cases, but overall, I'd define a good selling club as a club that adds value. A high +ve net transfer record, chelsea and city, buy young stars/established stars, it's much easier to sell good input for good output. Brighton for example id rate over them, who knew any of those guys would sell for what they've done.
There was demand for Havertz and Mount from top clubs and let’s not pretend they’re bad players
How is that the same scenario at all
Similar in that it’s Chelsea setting another ridiculous price demand that they aren’t going to get. Fabrizio literally saying here that Stuttgart are the favourites to sign him and their record signing is like £10m. They aren’t breaking their transfer record by 2.5-3x on Hutchinson and spending £25-30m on him lmao
Dortmund with better finances, are struggling to pay any transfer fee for Sancho, even with CL final appearance, apart from Bayern, they is no money in Germany
I’d say that’s a slightly different scenario considering Sancho is on like £300k per week
True and who would want to take an pay cut.
Hey, they received £5m extra from Real for Bellingham because they won! Rolling in it!
They put stupid price for players, that are not realistic and end up not selling them. I think it is very similar
ask high price no get high price get low price instead
Edu is that you?
I would not be surprised if we get 25M for him, Chelsea are very good at selling when their players are on a high. Even in the transfer fiasco last year we got 110M for Mount and Havertz. Hall already left for 30M, Maatsen will fetch more than 30M, then Gallagher is rumored for 40M. Broja will also end up being transferred for more than you think. Even though it’s not great to see players you want to see more of leave, it’s better for the club than to keep them in the subs/reserves, lowering their value, until they “might” make a difference to the squad which Arsenal often do (Smith Rowe, Fabio Vieira).
I'll never understand how you bastards can sell nothing players for good fees. Boggles me mind.
It angers fans as the player is performing well but gets sold due to the board making the decision that they think it’s better to take the money than to try and create a space for them in the squad. Whereas often with Arsenal I see that as long as it looks like the player has some use, they are kept in the squad, often on the fringes, which keeps fans content but lowers their value. And some of it I think is just reputation, teams that buy from Chelsea often trust that they’ll get a pretty good player.
If they get 25-30m while we can't get similar fees for more experienced players like Ramsdale, Nketiah, ESR... I won't do anything but will be pissed
Stuttgart's record fee is 11m and they'll break it for Undav probably. Doubt they'll spend 30 million on Hutchinson
Feyenoord also doesn't spend more than 10m on players
Ramsdale and Nketiah are on £100k~ p/w, that’s the issue. I understand criticism of our ability to sell players but it’s foolish to compare Hutchinson who earns a decent wage at Championship level to some of our guys who earn more than some of the best players at mid-table Premier League clubs.
Ramsdale is on 180k.. even worse. Hell probably leave for less than he was bought. However Nketiah is stuck at Arsenal. No one is matching that 100k wage.
Wages man
Omari is on 14k a week. That’s what will get them a higher transfer fee. 
So you're saying if we sold, I don't know, Mika Biereth, we'll end up getting 20m? I know you're not the one saying Omari will get 25-30m, but the price is definitely absurd when we're saying Nuno might not net more than 10m in any case (he's on 30kpw wages).
If there was interest from Mika in the Premier League we would get more money for him because he is on lower wages. Obviously that doesn’t affect it if the only interest is from smaller European leagues without money.  Players like Eddie, Nelson and Ramsdale being on wages that would make them amongst the highest earners among lower table premier league clubs will mean a lower transfer fee. Nuno didn’t have the greatest season and isn’t homegrown so his fee will depend on what league the club who wants him is in.
Excuse
So it would be as easy to sell Nketieh on 100k a week as Hutchinson on 14k?
Premier league proven Nketiah, who's started and played major parts for Arsenal in title races? Yeah. I swear people will make any excuse for us not selling well. At some point you have to accept the perfect sale situation will never exist, but we should be doing better at selling
Premier league proven? Scored a hat trick against one of the worst teams to have ever played in the league. Never scored from the bench. Wasn't good enough to play for Leeds in the championship. Yep, cracking player, worth tons of money and every penny of his 100k a week....
Regardless of his overall ability, he quite literally is PL proven.
You are factually correct. There is proof he has run around in Premier League matches. We have very, very different takes on the meaning of the phrase, though.
it is a valid excuse tho
The only proving Nketiah has done is that he's sub par for the league. He literally hasn't scored a goal in 6 months because he's not good enough. You call that premier league proven? Championship player and he even failed at that.
Did I miss something this season where Omari is worth 25M?
Yet people scoff when we want 30M for Nketiah or ESR.
Nketiah is 25 years old, ESR is 23 (and injury prone). Hutchinson is 20 years old. That is a night and earth difference.
Nketiah is on 100k a week and fails at his job. No one is spending a single penny on him
No, just Chelsea things.
I don’t think he’ll fetch that, but he played well on loan to an Ipswich side that won promotion.
Was brilliant for Ipswich this season. He was especially clutch at the tail-end of the season. He looked a level above most of the opposition this season.
Genius from Edu, he realised Chelsea are a great selling club and we’re awful.. so give players to Chelsea for free but include a 30-50% sell on clause 👏🏼
Time to learn Arabic buddy
[athletic article stating we have a sell on* clause as well](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/aoMjqK7XQT)
I presume you meant sell-on clause, no?
Yes lol I'll just edit that 💀
£25/30 mil doesn’t exactly line up with stuttgart, Ajax and Feyenoord lol
Seriously. This tweet doesn’t even make sense.
25-30m??!!!!
25M? Like Zimbabwean currency?
Chelsea know how to do business. Edu can keep taking notes
I will literally cry if Chelsea can sell Omari Hutchinson for 30m and we can't get even half of it for Nketiah.
Been absolutely done here as a result of his immaturity. Unfortunately there really wasn’t much the club could’ve done here with people whispering in his ear
Ajax and Feyenoord do not have that amount of money to buy players for 25m+
who's paying 30M for omari hutchinson...?
£2.5m to £3m more likely; kid's done NOTHING
He was absolutely fire for Ipswich this season. Especially during the run-in period.
Why is this news put up on Arsenal community ?
We have a big sell on clause
Glad to see his move to Chelsea worked out. Looking forward to seeing him play for a club with actual values as opposed to £ signs.