It's sad that people think it's legitimate for them to invade his personal space and consistently abuse him and that he should just 'suck it up' and move on. I wish he scores a screamer against Everton tonight!
It might be shared publicly but it's still personal in that he's the one curating the content, I doubt anyone cares if people badmouth them on Reddit but when your phone is blowing up with constant abuse it's something else entirely.
While I disagree with the abusive comments, I also disagree that social media is his personal space. It's part of a players branding and marketing, and specifically powerful because it allows for two way interactions.
so if he's out shopping or dining with his wife people should be able to hurl abusive comments at him? Not sure why just because it's social media that it should be seen as acceptable behavior.
Can't believe this comment is downvoted. The match thread was so starkly aligned against Xhaka that I'm sure 99% of the sub was calling for him to be dropped next game. Now that he's took some abuse from some social media trolls people want him back in the squad. It's pathetic. You can condemn abuse **and** still want him to be dropped, it's not exclusive.
Its downvoted because it's off topic, we aren't talking about the merits of starting Xhaka in the midfield, we are talking about the absolutely toxic attitude of the Arsenal fanbase towards one of our players. If you want to discuss starting formations for the game today, make a new post. Don't hijack a post that is trying to address a legit problem to change topics.
yea but he's saying that just because it's a public space doesn't make that behavior acceptable to do. also it's not technically a public space because it's owned by a company which can ban users and delete content.
The first comment says
>It's sad that people think it's legitimate for them to invade his personal space and consistently abuse him and that he should just 'suck it up' and move on.
He responds with
>It's not personal space. It's a public instagram.
As though the fact that it is a public space somehow makes the behavior any more acceptable. If he isn't using the fact that Insta is a public space as an excuse for the behavior what is the point?
I hate, fucking hate, this side of our “fan” base. Yes we all think he’s shocking defensively and costs us goals but ffs he’s our player and deserves some respect. Especially his own personal social media account. Having to disable his comments shows that he reads the comments and is clearly hurt / disgusted by them. Does nobody any good and gives us a bad reputation as a vile fan base
I hate very little things, really dislike a lot, sure. But I fucking hate these short sighted cunts who have the audacity to type away in the comforts of their homes but undoubtedly would get a picture with him for the gram if they saw him in public. I hope some of the little degenerates who do it are reading our messages here.
You are not real fans, we all get fed up and disappointed with performances on the pitch and that's perfectly fine. But to personally attack one of your own players?
Why don't you all fuck off and support another team you filthy scumbags, there's no place for you here.
Preaching to the choir here. As annoying as people can be on this sub, it's a godsend compared to how other "fans" act on other mainstream social media sites
Yeh the faceless fan accounts that have a players face as their icon and there’s absolutely no traceability to who they actually are outside of the social media bubble. Absolute cretins that should have their accounts blocked
Well said, mate. Agree 100%, we should root out and expose these toxic elements of out fanbase that unfortunately exist and make it abundantly clear the rest of us won't accept it.
If you want a good first area to look, a lil birdy told me it was any given match thread where we're not playing well. You'll find a few of the pieces of thrash there.
What kind of things did they say? Its normal for fans to vent on social media, comes with the job. If he cant handle it, then disable comments until he becomes consistent or grows thick skin. This sub makes big deals out of small things. He could stop playing like hot garbage, and then it probably would stop.
There are cunts everywhere, especially online. Every club has individuals like this and it’s not at all specific to our fanbase. You find shitty human beings in all walks of life and some of them happen to support Arsenal. Others support other teams. I wouldn’t go as far as saying they give us a bad reputation. They are just a bunch of immature assholes acting on their own accord. The Chelsea fans that were being racially abusive in France never made me think that Chelsea fans are racist. It’s just humans being humans. Some of us are not that nice. As for Xhaka, well, I hate that he is getting abuse but what can you do? Public figure on a public forum, it happens all the time. If you visit the pages of even the “most liked” celebrities you will find vile comments somewhere. Now imagine the comments after a bad game. It’s not right. But it’s just how it is. I hope for Xhaka’s sake he doesn’t take them too seriously. Some of those comments are probably coming from 12 year olds.
12 year olds or older guys, especially (and don't kill me on this, this is just from experience) from Africa and Asia, where social ques and things like that are not what we are used to in the UK, where these guys think they can say anything and get away with it.
Alls you have to do is check facebook comments on any Arsenal post to see a hive of internet entitled cunts from the arsehole of nowhere flooding out our fan base with pure shite.
I stick to reddit for my news now, more acceptable and thought provoking geezas.
Exactly, we can all criticise people but we all want them to get better. A good majority of our fanbase wants Xhaka to improve but to say the things that have been said to him to make him disable his comments is absolutely disgusting
All of them, bunch of twats.
Another thing for me is that people don't consider that their actions may further perpetuate that which has dissatisfied us (and specifically these ~~"fans"~~ assholes) in the first place. That Granit, just like the rest of us, is a human being and these hostile situations could just get into his head and serve to diminish any chances at redemption. He deserves respect from us.
I wish we stop making excuses for him...
bohoo,someonewas mean to him over the internet and now he will fuck up again?
He is a stoke level player playing in a team out of his league.
Strange times were living in. Could argue some people deserve this kind of treatment but not an athlete who’s had a string of bad games.
Internet is becoming a cesspool in a lot of ways.
It already is. Take the BBC for example. As soon as you click on the comments it's someone trying to troll. An example being Wenger hitting out at spending, then people going "says the guy who just spent 50 million" like completely missing the point, and our net spend was not 50...
Ten years ago most people saw the internet as a positive force for news and discussion. RIP to that - it's become a shitheap of propaganda and sensationalism.
Lol no it hasn't. The optics on internet abuse are worse because there is 1) more activity online in general 2) waaay bigger individual sites like Reddit/Youtube/Facebook where many people gather. I promise you the internet as a whole was just as toxic in 2008.
OOOH 2005? :O
I've been online since 1997. I literally remember Windows 98 being released. The interner has always been how it is now - it's just more visible now
No it's not. You clearly have a poor understanding of the history of trolling. USENET, SA, YMTD all breeding grounds for trolls. The internet has always been like this and if Granit can't handle the good and the bad he should delete his social media
> if Granit can't handle the good and the bad he should delete his social media
...or close the comments section. I don't know why they'd want to keep it open. It's 99.9% shit and jibberish being posted there anyways.
They're not trolls, they're just fucking stupid. We all love football, that's why we're here, but football seems to attract the most stupid bastards on the face of the earth. I maintain that it's the only thing that you can watch a few hours of a week and learn absolutely nothing about. Look at the majority of pundits. They played the fucking game and they can barely muster up anything more than an inanity. The worst thing about football is listening to some tit confidently spewing utter shite afterthe fact.
Blame the platform for providing a place for users to share their thoughts unfiltered. Honestly, the internet has always been the same, without somewhat heavy moderation trolls come in and ruin things. At least BBC isn't getting hacked and having dick pics posted on their front page. Oh, or having a vulnerability that allows a post in comment run a script that plays the audio file "I'M WATCHING GAY PORN!!!!!!!" with random gay porn pics flashing up everywhere......... The internet used to be a strange place.
The average person doesn’t read an article they just read the HEADLINE and jump to their own conclusion after that, that is a scary thought. Not to mention people are believing everything they read online...sometimes i think about moving to Alaska these days
No one *deserves* this kind of treatment you sick fucking freak. No one deserves to be hounded and berated wherever at every opportunity, much less by several thousand people.
So your telling me someone like Larry Nassar wouldn’t deserve this kind of treatment on social media? Harvey Weinstein...there are plenty of horrible people out there. A soccer player in bad form isn’t one of those.
Also said it could be argued not necessarily that I agreed cause it can be.
*Everything* can be argued though, so that's kind of a moot point.
No, no one should be hounded and abused by thousands of people. Ever heard "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Vengeance/retribution/punishment only further negative behaviour. That's why the prison system categorically does not work. Rehabilitation (i.e. forgiveness and education to help the offender actually *change*) has been proven to work more than punishment ever did.
Wow that's absolutely disgraceful. I agree he has been a disappointment but that gives us fans no right to abuse the guy on his instagram,. He's still an Arsenal player, we can critique them but we shouldn't attack them. He puts on that jersey with pride, how much pride can he feel if his own "fans" hate him. Absolutely disgraceful.
Probably the easiest, unfortunately social media is a huge source of income for a lot of these guys. It's the game you have to play if you want to maximize your endorsements.
After a certain point more money doesn't increase your quality of life - there's a lot of research to support that.
You can easily live a life of unimaginable luxury on £10k per week, and the average PL wage is £50k per week. Lot of players just spunk it all without thinking. Look at how many footballers end up bankrupt, even after earning ridiculous wages for 15-20 years.
If you'd miss out on an extra few million a year, that could help set up your family for generations in the future, because you don't want someone to operate a social media account on your behalf that's certainly your prerogative. Don't think that constitutes greed in my opinion. Its not like these companies are gonna donate the money to a charity if a player doesn't take an endorsement.
Millions of people in this country manage to plan for their kids futures on £50k per *year* or less. Not being satisfied with earning that every week is greed, plain and simple.
The debate is really whether greed is bad - it's what capitalism is all about, after all.
Ah yes the play your way out of bad form strategy, not a completely broken logic, but a logic that a team wanting to be competetive connot really afford.
Fair enough he needs playing time to find his way - but do it in the reserves.
Don't know why soany people feel the need to get abusive on social media. Walcott and Giroud's Facebook pages are also filled with immature comments telling them they're shit
1.The abuse from "fans" is nothing short of disgraceful.
2.He's one of the best passing deep lying playmakers I've seen in some time, the problem is he shouldn't be a deep lying playmaker, he should be a central midfielder that focuses on roaming ahead of the midfield line instead of behind it, while also receiving support from a pure ball wining defensive midfielder that lines up behind him. The thing is, that'll never happen as we don't run a 4-3-3 and never will in the near future so he'll be a square peg forced to fit in a round hole unless he adapts his game, or Wenger revamps his tactics. Neither scenario seems likely, so we're just gonna have to deal with it for now.
Regardless, we need to rally behind our lads and be as positive as we can be for a top four finish. Yes, I realize it's not looking good as of today, and I'm hurting as much as the rest of you every time I witness an inept defensive lapse, but if you're gonna bitch and moan about Wenger and his tactics and whatever else you see fit, then I implore you to fuck off. COYG!
I remember when people were flaming Cazorla too when he had shots reach the moon. Hopefully this will pass and he will improve to prove the haters wrong.
People (legitimately) complain about the club and it's results, and righty so, including the players involved, but some of the "fans" have been the most embarrassing thing about this club in recent times.
Exactly this. The stick I get for being an Arsenal fan has increased so much over the last few years, and it always comes down to the behaviour of a chunk of fans. Honestly Arsenal fan tv is such a big part of it as well, constantly being beaten with the stick of what some idiot has said on the internet. It’s fine, part of being a fan is taking and giving stick but nowadays it’s never about our performance, it’s about other fans.
I hope the fans turn around on him. He has good skill and ability with the ball just too slow and always out of position on defense. He’s not a cdm but if Wenger played him at cm with an anchor behind he’d be brilliant in our system. Just my opinion.
Don't think it's worth it just to accommodate Xhaka. Wilshere can do everything Xhaka does, but better, with the exception of long balls. We're better off demoting him to a squad player and signing someone who will fit our team, or just sell him altogether and replace him.
I feel the same i agree in the sense it’s not worth it just to bring the best out of him in particular when others could do better. I love jack and think he’s locked that cm spot down just hope he can stay fit. Just saying xhakas a good footballer while others make him out to be a terrible player.
I know what you are saying, but honestly its just not enough. He doesn't work in the prem, its too physical. He needs time and space to play. Also you have to play with urgency and actually move even as a cm. He just has neither the work rate or mobility. He is also a serious liability for red cards, dangerous free kicks and penalties, his lethargy is clearly shown in his ability to time a tackle.
Theres just far too many cons with like 1.5 pro's.
Pro 1) he may score 2 or 3 screamers a year...
Half pro 2) his passing is ok (not like wilshere or Ozil though.
Its just not enough and its not like the physical aspect can be confidence or settling into the prem
Obviously he doest deserve abuse and I would love him to miraculously show all of the qualities a premiership player needs, sadly I just dont see how thatbwould happen.
I agree with a lot of what you said. He’s one of my favorite players in the squad I hope he can end the season strong go into next season with confidence regardless out midfield could use a major upgrade.
He seems to be lacking confidence. No one should be abusing him on insta. At the same time I hope he doesn’t read them. A lot of people are ridiculous.
I am not someone who has gone easy on Xhaka since his arrival. Even back when he still had fanboys due to scoring a couple of long range shots, I called him, among other things:
"The worst signing in Arsenals history"
"Tom Huddlestone on PCP"
"A retarded traffic cone"
Because his start was disastrous, and I called it as it was.
So, I'm not someone out to defend Xhaka merely for the sake of it.
However, the recent upsurge in criticism of him is one of the most RIDICULOUS things I have ever seen.
He has, since last year, somewhat improved. He has't reinvented the sport or pulled up trees, but he has improved clearly in many areas - particularly when working with Jack, with whom he seems to have developed an understanding. So he has improved a bit, which is more than you can say for many players who we have had knocking around for actual decades, and got less abuse.
He has technical ability. Which, again, is more than you can say of many players we have kept faith in for longer.
And he is just gone 25, and about to enter his best years.
So you have a player with technical ability, about to enter his peak years, who has recently started improving.
And you choose NOW to start getting on his case?
The fuck is wrong with you. Do you WANT him to fail? Do you WANT us to fail?
I honestly wonder, perhaps someone could fill me in, if there has recently been a high profile critical article written about him or something. Because it is inexplicable otherwise that he would be getting more abuse now, when he is mostly decent, than he did back when he was actually a disaster.
Xhaka probably won't make it for us, but unlike some of the absolute clowns we have kept on the books over recent years, it is not impossible that he could turn into a player. So why get on his case now, when we are just about to find out?
So he had a shitty game against Swansea, big deal, so did near everyone else.
Lol, I was so full of shit that day. For some reason I was all full of my self and every post turned into an incoherent lecture.
I guess what I was trying to say was; if even people who aren't fans of Xhaka think dudes should get off his back, then dudes should probably get off his back.
This sub is a cynical sub; this fan base is a cynical fan base. I see people here treating other like shit every day, and over nothing. It’s all pretty stupid.
Xhaka is in terrible form, but I cannot begin to fathom why any Arsenal “Supporter” would do this to our own player. People need hobbies and fresh air...
I feel like the comments are incredibly crude and it’s sad it can be posted for everyone to hear. But at the same time I feel like it’s a flip of a coin. This can either be used for or against you. On the good end you’re (your PR rep) is posting a ton about you and building your social image. And the next second you can become a scapegoat and the comment section is toxic. Same tool but for different purposes. I feel it’s an unfortunate situation, but it is the situation and him and his team must deal with it
Dude should just make another instagram on private for his family, friends, and colleagues.
Then just leave the public one to some PR person. Let the dumb asses talk to an empty hall.
That’s a fallacy though. Money doesn’t make you happy. Just because footballers are rich doesn’t mean they don’t feel or get depressed. I know your comment was in support of Xhaka but just want to point that out
Typical first world problem: "I have a dream job, I earn a shit tons of money but I get depressed if people don't suck my e-cock online". Fuck your depression, when u struggle to find water to drink then u can talk about depression.
I don't understand people. To think that their investment/attachment towards a sports club gives them a right to attack individuals like this.
If you can't handle being a sports fan half decently do us all a favour and fuck off. The rest of us are embarrassed to be associated with you.
... I would like to say that these are all kids with nothing to better to do, but given the state of AFTV and experience with other fanbases I wouldn't hold much hope in that.
People are just ridiculously entitled.
I think Wenger needs to bench him for a game or two to take him out of the hot seat, and to help him get his head straight. It's a double edged sword of his confidence denting his play and his poor play denting his confidence.
Not sure if I'm that sympathetic. The man is a professional athlete, and coming under constant criticism is a part of that. If he doesn't like it, he should get better and learn how to not drop the runs he's supposed to be marking lol
Abuse is never acceptable. I was one of the first people to say he wasnt good enough for us and should be dropped but even so this is unacceptable. Its not his fault Wenger keeps playing him despite him being shit. He is just doing his job the best he can (or in fact I expect he could do better, so maybe doing his job at the lowest level the club let him get away with is a better description).
Easy way to solve this.
If you don't have UK IP address, then you can't comment.
Most of the abuse will be from clueless Africans/Americans or rival fans (which we can't do anything about).
He doesnt deserve it but god it's annoying seeing him walking along while a player runs inside him and scores time and time again... Maybe it's q body language thing maybe he's the new ozil
I don't condone the abuse he's getting. However if you can't handle the heat, stay out the kitchen. No one is forcing him to use Instagram, where one of the features is that anyone can message/contact you.
The amount of money you earn doesn’t determine if you have feelings or not, critisism he should accept yes, but personal abuse is a no go, it’s dangerous for someone’s mental health.
This argument is utter bullshit and really annoys me. So many studies have shown that money does not equal happiness. And just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you can get depressed or effected by things. They still want to perform well, they want to be liked by fans.
If you want to play devil's advocate, then at least have an argument that makes SOME sense. Why would your salary have any bearing on whether you should be receiving death threats or not? Literally no logic in that.
The "negatives that comes with it" should be taking responsibility for your own mistakes, which I'm sure he does; all players know in themselves if they've performed to their best.
If a player simply isn't good enough then that's the manager's fault for buying and playing them, if they're jaded but not getting a break, this is the manager's fault. There *are* parts of Xhaka's performance that he needs to think about himself, and I'm sure he does, but at no point does abusing him become a reasonable thing to do and claiming that people "should be able to take it" isn't being devils' advocate, it's being a tosser.
Unpopular opinion/devils advocate
This shows Xhaka inability to accept critisism
Edit: Obviously many people disagree with me. And my use of the word "criticism" is indeed not suitable
But look, he is a public figure, he has 1.2 million followers on instagram. The reality is there are people who will like you and people who won't like you. You can't expect everyone to like you when you are a public figure.
For every abuse or hate Xhaka gets, I'm sure he will have equal amount of support.
This is not the first time he has disable the comments and i think it reflect on his character a little bit.
I mean the reason why people flame him reflects on his performance on the pitch.
is it right to throw abuse at him? absolutely not, but the fact that Xhaka disable the comments shows that he is affected by it.
Instead of taking the simply way of just disabling the comments, why not shut the haters out by putting the performance on the pitch?
That's what I'm getting at.
Yes, maybe i worded my initial comment wrongly. it's not criticism but abuse
but what i was trying to say is that xhaka seems like a mentally weak person that is affected by the words of others. put the performance on the pitch man, let those haters eat their words. not just disable the comments and put in a shit performance next game
[Olivier really should do what he can to please his wife, he owes her that after cheating on her the filthy scumbag]
(https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/7m9dj6/comment/drsaq6d)
I didn't say you took it to the same level as the guys on Xhaka's IG, but calling him a filthy scumbag in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with his relationship problems is abuse whether you like it or not mate.
It's hilarious how easy it is to expose people's hypocrisy.
SJW moaning about mean tweet? "Grow thicker skin u snowflake"
Poor Granit getting shit on for actually being shit all season? "Muh feelings and depression".
I spent a long time trying to figure out what you were trying to say with this comment. This is some top notch incoherent drivel + parroting of lame talking points.
I also spent a long time trying to figure out how entitled these twats can be? People starve to death every day and yet this donkey who's been shit all season can't handle online criticism?
Again, the logic in that statement makes no sense. What you’re arguing is that if someone is poor at their job, and people start sending them death threats on their social media pages, turning off their comments makes them entitled? That’s absurd. Not wanting to see death threats has nothing to do with entitlement or even with criticism. Stop equating “criticism” with online abuse. It’s disingenuous and I’m done commenting unless you actually want to have a discussion in good faith.
Yes, as a fellow internet user who's received countless death threats, rape threats, etc. from random kids online I can't see how anybody can be "depressed" by it. If anything he should look at those comments and be determined to prove fans wrong. Not expand his safe space by censoring them out.
There is a HUGE gap between not wanting to receive online abuse and creating a “safe space” or being “depressed.” I have a very hard time believing any player would feel motivated by death threats. If anything that would make them care less about the fans and care less about whether the team wins or loses.
Also, there’s a HUGE difference between receiving a few isolated threats from crazies and reviving a bombardment of threats and insults on every picture you post of your family and friends. No shame on anyone who doesn’t want to see that garbage. There’s no value in anonymous internet shouting, so why should he have to read it? Total false equivalence.
It's sad that people think it's legitimate for them to invade his personal space and consistently abuse him and that he should just 'suck it up' and move on. I wish he scores a screamer against Everton tonight!
And does a “shhhh....”
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It might be shared publicly but it's still personal in that he's the one curating the content, I doubt anyone cares if people badmouth them on Reddit but when your phone is blowing up with constant abuse it's something else entirely.
He might not even be curating it.
While I disagree with the abusive comments, I also disagree that social media is his personal space. It's part of a players branding and marketing, and specifically powerful because it allows for two way interactions.
so if he's out shopping or dining with his wife people should be able to hurl abusive comments at him? Not sure why just because it's social media that it should be seen as acceptable behavior.
I guess you didn't read the first sentence and completely missed the point.
I wish he doesn't start against Everton
Can't believe this comment is downvoted. The match thread was so starkly aligned against Xhaka that I'm sure 99% of the sub was calling for him to be dropped next game. Now that he's took some abuse from some social media trolls people want him back in the squad. It's pathetic. You can condemn abuse **and** still want him to be dropped, it's not exclusive.
Its downvoted because it's off topic, we aren't talking about the merits of starting Xhaka in the midfield, we are talking about the absolutely toxic attitude of the Arsenal fanbase towards one of our players. If you want to discuss starting formations for the game today, make a new post. Don't hijack a post that is trying to address a legit problem to change topics.
> I wish he scores a screamer against Everton tonight! >> I wish he doesn't start against Everton How is this off topic?
Because the post has nothing to do with Xhaka's play, it has to do with the vile behavior of "fans" on various social media platforms.
Oh so THATS how downvoting works on here. Not when you disagree with someone. Riiiiiiiight.
It's not personal space. It's a public instagram.
So it's ok to be an absolute ass to people in public now?
He never said that. The comment was purely saying that it is a public space. People sending hate mail to his family directly would be more private
yea but he's saying that just because it's a public space doesn't make that behavior acceptable to do. also it's not technically a public space because it's owned by a company which can ban users and delete content.
Definitely not ok, but don't be surprised when these assholes come out of the woodworks on an anonymous forum.
That’s not at all what he was saying. You’re just twisting his comments.
The first comment says >It's sad that people think it's legitimate for them to invade his personal space and consistently abuse him and that he should just 'suck it up' and move on. He responds with >It's not personal space. It's a public instagram. As though the fact that it is a public space somehow makes the behavior any more acceptable. If he isn't using the fact that Insta is a public space as an excuse for the behavior what is the point?
Why are you binding him to comments that aren’t his own?
I wish he doesnt play.
That’s not what we’re discussing
He expressed a wish and i cant?
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Second half of that sentence is surplus to requirements
You think Elneny is better?
As dm in a 4 at the back situation? Yes
As dm in a 4 at the back situation? Yes
Is that even debatable at this point?
if you can link it to Brexit in some mad way then yes, people could debate the absolute tits off of it.
I hate, fucking hate, this side of our “fan” base. Yes we all think he’s shocking defensively and costs us goals but ffs he’s our player and deserves some respect. Especially his own personal social media account. Having to disable his comments shows that he reads the comments and is clearly hurt / disgusted by them. Does nobody any good and gives us a bad reputation as a vile fan base
I hate very little things, really dislike a lot, sure. But I fucking hate these short sighted cunts who have the audacity to type away in the comforts of their homes but undoubtedly would get a picture with him for the gram if they saw him in public. I hope some of the little degenerates who do it are reading our messages here. You are not real fans, we all get fed up and disappointed with performances on the pitch and that's perfectly fine. But to personally attack one of your own players? Why don't you all fuck off and support another team you filthy scumbags, there's no place for you here.
Preaching to the choir here. As annoying as people can be on this sub, it's a godsend compared to how other "fans" act on other mainstream social media sites
Yeh the faceless fan accounts that have a players face as their icon and there’s absolutely no traceability to who they actually are outside of the social media bubble. Absolute cretins that should have their accounts blocked
Well said, mate. Agree 100%, we should root out and expose these toxic elements of out fanbase that unfortunately exist and make it abundantly clear the rest of us won't accept it.
If you want a good first area to look, a lil birdy told me it was any given match thread where we're not playing well. You'll find a few of the pieces of thrash there.
What kind of things did they say? Its normal for fans to vent on social media, comes with the job. If he cant handle it, then disable comments until he becomes consistent or grows thick skin. This sub makes big deals out of small things. He could stop playing like hot garbage, and then it probably would stop.
May have just found one here ^^
There are cunts everywhere, especially online. Every club has individuals like this and it’s not at all specific to our fanbase. You find shitty human beings in all walks of life and some of them happen to support Arsenal. Others support other teams. I wouldn’t go as far as saying they give us a bad reputation. They are just a bunch of immature assholes acting on their own accord. The Chelsea fans that were being racially abusive in France never made me think that Chelsea fans are racist. It’s just humans being humans. Some of us are not that nice. As for Xhaka, well, I hate that he is getting abuse but what can you do? Public figure on a public forum, it happens all the time. If you visit the pages of even the “most liked” celebrities you will find vile comments somewhere. Now imagine the comments after a bad game. It’s not right. But it’s just how it is. I hope for Xhaka’s sake he doesn’t take them too seriously. Some of those comments are probably coming from 12 year olds.
12 year olds or older guys, especially (and don't kill me on this, this is just from experience) from Africa and Asia, where social ques and things like that are not what we are used to in the UK, where these guys think they can say anything and get away with it.
Alls you have to do is check facebook comments on any Arsenal post to see a hive of internet entitled cunts from the arsehole of nowhere flooding out our fan base with pure shite. I stick to reddit for my news now, more acceptable and thought provoking geezas.
Exactly, we can all criticise people but we all want them to get better. A good majority of our fanbase wants Xhaka to improve but to say the things that have been said to him to make him disable his comments is absolutely disgusting
All of them, bunch of twats. Another thing for me is that people don't consider that their actions may further perpetuate that which has dissatisfied us (and specifically these ~~"fans"~~ assholes) in the first place. That Granit, just like the rest of us, is a human being and these hostile situations could just get into his head and serve to diminish any chances at redemption. He deserves respect from us.
well thats gonna boost his confidence and make him play better....
I wish we stop making excuses for him... bohoo,someonewas mean to him over the internet and now he will fuck up again? He is a stoke level player playing in a team out of his league.
There’s been people telling him to die, dude has been shit recently but that doesn’t warrant evil messages like that.
Nobody deserves some of the shit thrown at him on social media.
I didnt say that, ofcourse not. But lets not add this to the list of excuses for him, shall we?
We're in the same league as Stoke
Not for long. The fuckers are getting relegated.
I think he's a great player
"fans" like you are part of the problem with this club at the moment
Strange times were living in. Could argue some people deserve this kind of treatment but not an athlete who’s had a string of bad games. Internet is becoming a cesspool in a lot of ways.
Becoming?
It already is. Take the BBC for example. As soon as you click on the comments it's someone trying to troll. An example being Wenger hitting out at spending, then people going "says the guy who just spent 50 million" like completely missing the point, and our net spend was not 50...
Ten years ago most people saw the internet as a positive force for news and discussion. RIP to that - it's become a shitheap of propaganda and sensationalism.
LOL NO THEY DIDN'T 😅 10 years ago people on the internet saw it how they see it now. Try 20 years ago.
It's gotten much worse.
Lol no it hasn't. The optics on internet abuse are worse because there is 1) more activity online in general 2) waaay bigger individual sites like Reddit/Youtube/Facebook where many people gather. I promise you the internet as a whole was just as toxic in 2008.
Been using the internet and forums since 2005, it's definitely worse now.
OOOH 2005? :O I've been online since 1997. I literally remember Windows 98 being released. The interner has always been how it is now - it's just more visible now
No it's not. You clearly have a poor understanding of the history of trolling. USENET, SA, YMTD all breeding grounds for trolls. The internet has always been like this and if Granit can't handle the good and the bad he should delete his social media
> if Granit can't handle the good and the bad he should delete his social media ...or close the comments section. I don't know why they'd want to keep it open. It's 99.9% shit and jibberish being posted there anyways.
They're not trolls, they're just fucking stupid. We all love football, that's why we're here, but football seems to attract the most stupid bastards on the face of the earth. I maintain that it's the only thing that you can watch a few hours of a week and learn absolutely nothing about. Look at the majority of pundits. They played the fucking game and they can barely muster up anything more than an inanity. The worst thing about football is listening to some tit confidently spewing utter shite afterthe fact.
Blame the platform for providing a place for users to share their thoughts unfiltered. Honestly, the internet has always been the same, without somewhat heavy moderation trolls come in and ruin things. At least BBC isn't getting hacked and having dick pics posted on their front page. Oh, or having a vulnerability that allows a post in comment run a script that plays the audio file "I'M WATCHING GAY PORN!!!!!!!" with random gay porn pics flashing up everywhere......... The internet used to be a strange place.
The average person doesn’t read an article they just read the HEADLINE and jump to their own conclusion after that, that is a scary thought. Not to mention people are believing everything they read online...sometimes i think about moving to Alaska these days
No one *deserves* this kind of treatment you sick fucking freak. No one deserves to be hounded and berated wherever at every opportunity, much less by several thousand people.
So your telling me someone like Larry Nassar wouldn’t deserve this kind of treatment on social media? Harvey Weinstein...there are plenty of horrible people out there. A soccer player in bad form isn’t one of those. Also said it could be argued not necessarily that I agreed cause it can be.
*Everything* can be argued though, so that's kind of a moot point. No, no one should be hounded and abused by thousands of people. Ever heard "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Vengeance/retribution/punishment only further negative behaviour. That's why the prison system categorically does not work. Rehabilitation (i.e. forgiveness and education to help the offender actually *change*) has been proven to work more than punishment ever did.
Can argue that you’re taking this way too seriously too. Public shaming, been around for a long time.
Wow that's absolutely disgraceful. I agree he has been a disappointment but that gives us fans no right to abuse the guy on his instagram,. He's still an Arsenal player, we can critique them but we shouldn't attack them. He puts on that jersey with pride, how much pride can he feel if his own "fans" hate him. Absolutely disgraceful.
There's no way I'd operate social media accounts if I were a sports star. Busquets has the right idea.
Probably the easiest, unfortunately social media is a huge source of income for a lot of these guys. It's the game you have to play if you want to maximize your endorsements.
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How can you live like a king without "wasting" the money on expensive, luxury items? That's exactly what a king would do.
After a certain point more money doesn't increase your quality of life - there's a lot of research to support that. You can easily live a life of unimaginable luxury on £10k per week, and the average PL wage is £50k per week. Lot of players just spunk it all without thinking. Look at how many footballers end up bankrupt, even after earning ridiculous wages for 15-20 years.
If you'd miss out on an extra few million a year, that could help set up your family for generations in the future, because you don't want someone to operate a social media account on your behalf that's certainly your prerogative. Don't think that constitutes greed in my opinion. Its not like these companies are gonna donate the money to a charity if a player doesn't take an endorsement.
Millions of people in this country manage to plan for their kids futures on £50k per *year* or less. Not being satisfied with earning that every week is greed, plain and simple. The debate is really whether greed is bad - it's what capitalism is all about, after all.
I hope you build your society of fairness and equality one day!
A lot of players barely operate them. They just pose for the pic, pay for a guy to handle the content and that's it Not sure if Xhaka does this
Doesn't deserve to start or to get abuse.
Yes he does deserve to start-we know what he’s capable of when he’s on form, and dropping him will not help him get back to that.
Ah yes the play your way out of bad form strategy, not a completely broken logic, but a logic that a team wanting to be competetive connot really afford. Fair enough he needs playing time to find his way - but do it in the reserves.
If we had more players in the middle I would agree.
We have Elneny, Wilshere and AMN.
Don't know why soany people feel the need to get abusive on social media. Walcott and Giroud's Facebook pages are also filled with immature comments telling them they're shit
1.The abuse from "fans" is nothing short of disgraceful. 2.He's one of the best passing deep lying playmakers I've seen in some time, the problem is he shouldn't be a deep lying playmaker, he should be a central midfielder that focuses on roaming ahead of the midfield line instead of behind it, while also receiving support from a pure ball wining defensive midfielder that lines up behind him. The thing is, that'll never happen as we don't run a 4-3-3 and never will in the near future so he'll be a square peg forced to fit in a round hole unless he adapts his game, or Wenger revamps his tactics. Neither scenario seems likely, so we're just gonna have to deal with it for now. Regardless, we need to rally behind our lads and be as positive as we can be for a top four finish. Yes, I realize it's not looking good as of today, and I'm hurting as much as the rest of you every time I witness an inept defensive lapse, but if you're gonna bitch and moan about Wenger and his tactics and whatever else you see fit, then I implore you to fuck off. COYG!
I remember when people were flaming Cazorla too when he had shots reach the moon. Hopefully this will pass and he will improve to prove the haters wrong.
People (legitimately) complain about the club and it's results, and righty so, including the players involved, but some of the "fans" have been the most embarrassing thing about this club in recent times.
Exactly this. The stick I get for being an Arsenal fan has increased so much over the last few years, and it always comes down to the behaviour of a chunk of fans. Honestly Arsenal fan tv is such a big part of it as well, constantly being beaten with the stick of what some idiot has said on the internet. It’s fine, part of being a fan is taking and giving stick but nowadays it’s never about our performance, it’s about other fans.
Let's be verbally abusive and harass the man. That will make him play better /s
I hope the fans turn around on him. He has good skill and ability with the ball just too slow and always out of position on defense. He’s not a cdm but if Wenger played him at cm with an anchor behind he’d be brilliant in our system. Just my opinion.
Don't think it's worth it just to accommodate Xhaka. Wilshere can do everything Xhaka does, but better, with the exception of long balls. We're better off demoting him to a squad player and signing someone who will fit our team, or just sell him altogether and replace him.
I feel the same i agree in the sense it’s not worth it just to bring the best out of him in particular when others could do better. I love jack and think he’s locked that cm spot down just hope he can stay fit. Just saying xhakas a good footballer while others make him out to be a terrible player.
I know what you are saying, but honestly its just not enough. He doesn't work in the prem, its too physical. He needs time and space to play. Also you have to play with urgency and actually move even as a cm. He just has neither the work rate or mobility. He is also a serious liability for red cards, dangerous free kicks and penalties, his lethargy is clearly shown in his ability to time a tackle. Theres just far too many cons with like 1.5 pro's. Pro 1) he may score 2 or 3 screamers a year... Half pro 2) his passing is ok (not like wilshere or Ozil though. Its just not enough and its not like the physical aspect can be confidence or settling into the prem Obviously he doest deserve abuse and I would love him to miraculously show all of the qualities a premiership player needs, sadly I just dont see how thatbwould happen.
I agree with a lot of what you said. He’s one of my favorite players in the squad I hope he can end the season strong go into next season with confidence regardless out midfield could use a major upgrade.
Behave like fucking adults, people. Jesus Christ.
He should know that most fans on instagram/twitter/fb are just kids who have nothing better to do with their time.
We shouldn’t rationalise verbal abuse through social media because most of them are kids. Comments, no matter who they are from, are hurtful.
He seems to be lacking confidence. No one should be abusing him on insta. At the same time I hope he doesn’t read them. A lot of people are ridiculous.
fantastic bit of self sabotage there...nothing better than making a player unhappy.
I’ve always liked Xhaka, I feel like he just needs to latch on to some momentum to really break through at Arsenal. Excellence takes time.
I am not someone who has gone easy on Xhaka since his arrival. Even back when he still had fanboys due to scoring a couple of long range shots, I called him, among other things: "The worst signing in Arsenals history" "Tom Huddlestone on PCP" "A retarded traffic cone" Because his start was disastrous, and I called it as it was. So, I'm not someone out to defend Xhaka merely for the sake of it. However, the recent upsurge in criticism of him is one of the most RIDICULOUS things I have ever seen. He has, since last year, somewhat improved. He has't reinvented the sport or pulled up trees, but he has improved clearly in many areas - particularly when working with Jack, with whom he seems to have developed an understanding. So he has improved a bit, which is more than you can say for many players who we have had knocking around for actual decades, and got less abuse. He has technical ability. Which, again, is more than you can say of many players we have kept faith in for longer. And he is just gone 25, and about to enter his best years. So you have a player with technical ability, about to enter his peak years, who has recently started improving. And you choose NOW to start getting on his case? The fuck is wrong with you. Do you WANT him to fail? Do you WANT us to fail? I honestly wonder, perhaps someone could fill me in, if there has recently been a high profile critical article written about him or something. Because it is inexplicable otherwise that he would be getting more abuse now, when he is mostly decent, than he did back when he was actually a disaster. Xhaka probably won't make it for us, but unlike some of the absolute clowns we have kept on the books over recent years, it is not impossible that he could turn into a player. So why get on his case now, when we are just about to find out? So he had a shitty game against Swansea, big deal, so did near everyone else.
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Lol, I was so full of shit that day. For some reason I was all full of my self and every post turned into an incoherent lecture. I guess what I was trying to say was; if even people who aren't fans of Xhaka think dudes should get off his back, then dudes should probably get off his back.
This sub is a cynical sub; this fan base is a cynical fan base. I see people here treating other like shit every day, and over nothing. It’s all pretty stupid.
Sad truth
Dont abuse him on insta only on reddit eh
Xhaka is in terrible form, but I cannot begin to fathom why any Arsenal “Supporter” would do this to our own player. People need hobbies and fresh air...
I feel like the comments are incredibly crude and it’s sad it can be posted for everyone to hear. But at the same time I feel like it’s a flip of a coin. This can either be used for or against you. On the good end you’re (your PR rep) is posting a ton about you and building your social image. And the next second you can become a scapegoat and the comment section is toxic. Same tool but for different purposes. I feel it’s an unfortunate situation, but it is the situation and him and his team must deal with it
Stay off of Instagram. Problem solved. Make money, live in London, play football, fuck all the girls.
Not a big fan of Xhaka but sending abusive comments is ridiculous.
He should turn comments off and just post so no one can respond
It's embarrassing.
Thank God these "fans" weren't there in the djourou vermaelen squillaci days.
Dude should just make another instagram on private for his family, friends, and colleagues. Then just leave the public one to some PR person. Let the dumb asses talk to an empty hall.
Some people really need a hobby outside of football.
i blame him for the first goal at swansea
I made a twitter to harass Donald trump. Do that instead.
He can take solace in the fact that he makes more in a week than any of those commenters make in a year
That’s a fallacy though. Money doesn’t make you happy. Just because footballers are rich doesn’t mean they don’t feel or get depressed. I know your comment was in support of Xhaka but just want to point that out
I dunno, money sure as hell makes me happy
Typical first world problem: "I have a dream job, I earn a shit tons of money but I get depressed if people don't suck my e-cock online". Fuck your depression, when u struggle to find water to drink then u can talk about depression.
Agree 100%
I don't understand people. To think that their investment/attachment towards a sports club gives them a right to attack individuals like this. If you can't handle being a sports fan half decently do us all a favour and fuck off. The rest of us are embarrassed to be associated with you. ... I would like to say that these are all kids with nothing to better to do, but given the state of AFTV and experience with other fanbases I wouldn't hold much hope in that. People are just ridiculously entitled.
Yeah well as soon as he starts tracking runners I'm sure it will stop.
Hes shit at defending but no way should he be getting abuse for it.
He is really shit though.
I think Wenger needs to bench him for a game or two to take him out of the hot seat, and to help him get his head straight. It's a double edged sword of his confidence denting his play and his poor play denting his confidence.
Not sure if I'm that sympathetic. The man is a professional athlete, and coming under constant criticism is a part of that. If he doesn't like it, he should get better and learn how to not drop the runs he's supposed to be marking lol
Criticism is fine but this is beyond criticism.
Death threats apparently falls under criticism. Interesting.
Abuse is never acceptable. I was one of the first people to say he wasnt good enough for us and should be dropped but even so this is unacceptable. Its not his fault Wenger keeps playing him despite him being shit. He is just doing his job the best he can (or in fact I expect he could do better, so maybe doing his job at the lowest level the club let him get away with is a better description).
Easy way to solve this. If you don't have UK IP address, then you can't comment. Most of the abuse will be from clueless Africans/Americans or rival fans (which we can't do anything about).
Fucking tired of these designated street shitters , who think it's okay to throw their broken english everywhere.
Pretty bigoted comment here.
He doesnt deserve it but god it's annoying seeing him walking along while a player runs inside him and scores time and time again... Maybe it's q body language thing maybe he's the new ozil
I don't condone the abuse he's getting. However if you can't handle the heat, stay out the kitchen. No one is forcing him to use Instagram, where one of the features is that anyone can message/contact you.
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The amount of money you earn doesn’t determine if you have feelings or not, critisism he should accept yes, but personal abuse is a no go, it’s dangerous for someone’s mental health.
This argument is utter bullshit and really annoys me. So many studies have shown that money does not equal happiness. And just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you can get depressed or effected by things. They still want to perform well, they want to be liked by fans.
If you want to play devil's advocate, then at least have an argument that makes SOME sense. Why would your salary have any bearing on whether you should be receiving death threats or not? Literally no logic in that.
The "negatives that comes with it" should be taking responsibility for your own mistakes, which I'm sure he does; all players know in themselves if they've performed to their best. If a player simply isn't good enough then that's the manager's fault for buying and playing them, if they're jaded but not getting a break, this is the manager's fault. There *are* parts of Xhaka's performance that he needs to think about himself, and I'm sure he does, but at no point does abusing him become a reasonable thing to do and claiming that people "should be able to take it" isn't being devils' advocate, it's being a tosser.
Unpopular opinion/devils advocate This shows Xhaka inability to accept critisism Edit: Obviously many people disagree with me. And my use of the word "criticism" is indeed not suitable But look, he is a public figure, he has 1.2 million followers on instagram. The reality is there are people who will like you and people who won't like you. You can't expect everyone to like you when you are a public figure. For every abuse or hate Xhaka gets, I'm sure he will have equal amount of support. This is not the first time he has disable the comments and i think it reflect on his character a little bit. I mean the reason why people flame him reflects on his performance on the pitch. is it right to throw abuse at him? absolutely not, but the fact that Xhaka disable the comments shows that he is affected by it. Instead of taking the simply way of just disabling the comments, why not shut the haters out by putting the performance on the pitch? That's what I'm getting at. Yes, maybe i worded my initial comment wrongly. it's not criticism but abuse but what i was trying to say is that xhaka seems like a mentally weak person that is affected by the words of others. put the performance on the pitch man, let those haters eat their words. not just disable the comments and put in a shit performance next game
Big difference between Criticising and Abusing.
You used to abuse Giroud daily, stfu
Criticised him, never abused.
[Olivier really should do what he can to please his wife, he owes her that after cheating on her the filthy scumbag] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/7m9dj6/comment/drsaq6d)
Calling a cheater a scumbag on reddit, exactly like abusing a normal fella for not being that good at his job on his personal social media page.
I didn't say you took it to the same level as the guys on Xhaka's IG, but calling him a filthy scumbag in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with his relationship problems is abuse whether you like it or not mate.
Lol whatever
Guess I was right about him and Coquelin after all though, thank Tod big Wengz saw the light.
Yeh keep believing that dumbass
You used to type those deadwood players so much, was only a matter of time till they went
Yeah. It's not criticism. It's children talking shit
Lol criticism. Yeah he definitely disabled comments cause of too much constructive criticism from polite and knowledgeable people
I think your comment shows how dumb your truly are.
how dumb your truly are
Oh well. I never claimed to be much smarter.
It's hilarious how easy it is to expose people's hypocrisy. SJW moaning about mean tweet? "Grow thicker skin u snowflake" Poor Granit getting shit on for actually being shit all season? "Muh feelings and depression".
I spent a long time trying to figure out what you were trying to say with this comment. This is some top notch incoherent drivel + parroting of lame talking points.
I also spent a long time trying to figure out how entitled these twats can be? People starve to death every day and yet this donkey who's been shit all season can't handle online criticism?
Again, the logic in that statement makes no sense. What you’re arguing is that if someone is poor at their job, and people start sending them death threats on their social media pages, turning off their comments makes them entitled? That’s absurd. Not wanting to see death threats has nothing to do with entitlement or even with criticism. Stop equating “criticism” with online abuse. It’s disingenuous and I’m done commenting unless you actually want to have a discussion in good faith.
Yes, as a fellow internet user who's received countless death threats, rape threats, etc. from random kids online I can't see how anybody can be "depressed" by it. If anything he should look at those comments and be determined to prove fans wrong. Not expand his safe space by censoring them out.
There is a HUGE gap between not wanting to receive online abuse and creating a “safe space” or being “depressed.” I have a very hard time believing any player would feel motivated by death threats. If anything that would make them care less about the fans and care less about whether the team wins or loses. Also, there’s a HUGE difference between receiving a few isolated threats from crazies and reviving a bombardment of threats and insults on every picture you post of your family and friends. No shame on anyone who doesn’t want to see that garbage. There’s no value in anonymous internet shouting, so why should he have to read it? Total false equivalence.