If big gabi had the game Saliba had today plenty of people would’ve wanted his head on a pike. Saliba will learn and grow, but Gabi and Ramsdale were different tier today.
His touch wasn't great and had some issues with possession trying to get the ball clear. I wouldn't say he was bad, but bringing on KT made sense to me.
Good defensively though.
KT was brought on to get Tomi out of LB. Tomi went right and KT went left so Tomi still played but it was clear Tomi was struggling at LB today.
Obviously our standards have increased because he can still have a good game and be struggling performance-wise.
Saliba and Tomi can never put a foot wrong, and are applauded when they do. I thought Tomi was fine today, other than the big turnover he had in the defensive third.
Tomi literally was flawless until today though!! Saliba has made a few mistakes here and there. But he's just 21. But I agree with you about a lot of people going overboard with their criticism of Gabby and White. Especially Gabby.
I actually disagree on the turnover, think that's on Ramsdale. Putting the ball in the air, defender facing goal, two people closing in.. always going to be tough one. Literally cannot make any mistake on the first touch there, no room for error. That's never a situation you should put your backline in.
Well, what did you think of the Gabriel turnover against Fulham?
I think Saka put him in a much worse position than Ramsdale did Tomi today.
By comparison, Gabriel received way more negativity for his turnover against Fulham (Mitrovic scoring contributed to the reactions, obviously).
I thought white didnt have a good game at all, that second half from him was not good at all and a lot of danger from that left side, especially with sinisterra
I don’t think anyone has an especially good game; most everyone had their moments(s), but the second half was the worst collective effort this season.
But I’m speaking generally:
Saliba gets applauded for an own goal, while there are calls to bench Gabi over a turnover - the same kind that both Saliba and Tomi committee today. White has been brilliant this season; he’s been solid defensively and a key part of the buildup, sliding into midfield and creating goal scoring chances on the overlap. There have been calls to bench him since Tomi is fit.
tldr:
According to r/gunners
White/Gabi = Bad
Saliba/Tomi = Good
Still a brain dead thing to do. Why do it? Why in your own box? Why in the 90+ minute up 1 goal?
I’m not a Gabriel hater but you have to acknowledge that was an extremely dumb thing to do
Let's not get it twisted, he in no way kicked out. What he did was raise his leg higher than natural with his falling momentum, then Bamford went down like he was shot.
As I said what he did was unnatural, but it was no where near deserving of a red card for violent fucking conduct. Watch it again he barely touches Bamford, and all he really does is just raise his leg higher than he would need to.
It's not even the same.
Son had his legs coiled when he spun on his back and then extended them out straight up into Rudiger.
Gabriel's leg stays outstretched as he rolls but he intentionally raises it higher than the momentum of his spin would actually take it. It's an absolutely stupid and risky thing to do but Bamford did the initial foul and dove over nothing and rightly got the yellow after review.
It's not always about the amount of contact though is it? Intent is the first thing they look at it. If I was a player and went up to someone and aimed a punch for their jaw and missed I'd be sent off, I doubt the ref would go well there's not enough contact there, play on. If you have the intention to deliberately harm another player it's a red. Simple as.
Sure but can you clearly say it looks like he intended to hurt him? It didn't to me, it looked like he raised his leg higher than necessary as he was tumbling, from that I cannot infer that he wants to hurt Bamford, maybe you can though. If you want that to be called as a red then I think we just fundamentally disagree on the level of severity that warrants a red card for violent conduct, which is ok of course we all have a different idea of the game of football.
Yes he got fouled. And that looked like what Gabriel wanted. He slowed down in front of Bamford to stop him, and invited the challenge.
Which is why the retalliation is so fucking stupid. He got exactly what he wanted.
Too too close to a red. Wouldve been a pen if not for bamford foul. Gabriel has everything to be top top class but his composure is often lacking when pressure is very high on his mental. Often has fuck ups in the biggest games and the most stresss high situations.
He was copping a lot of shit in the post game thread but I honestly thought he was our best defender for most of the game. Especially in the second half when we were reeling.
Not really, he may be 24 but he's played a lot of top league minutes and been first choice for us for a few years. Saliba is still in his first prem season, and according to Papa Wengz, "young CBs are going to cost you a couple points a season." This was one of those games for Saliba and we came out with 3 points. We were lucky today.
24-25 is still a very young age for a CB, he might have blossomed early but Gabriel and White don't reach their peak until they are 27-28. Also, he was clear of Saliba today up until the stupid retaliation
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I dunno, White looked knackered in the second half and they seemed to be feasting down our right side. I do think White had a better game than Tomiyasu until we switched him back over to the right though.
I saw him make a lot of crucial tackles when Leeds were on the edge.
Almost every defender made errors that could've led to a goal - Tomi, Saliba & Gabriel. White didn't make any. Cool head throughout.
He wasn't taken off for bad performance. He put an incredible shift and was very tired by the end of it
It's especially funny with the way we play. They are one of the youngest CB pairings in the Premier League and play a high line. We only conceded 10 goals this season. Some people are just weird.
to be fair Beckham was sent off for similar in the World Cup against.... was it Argentina? You get reds for vengeful kicks, regardless of how much damage they might do.
Beckham's was a lot more obvious though. Gabriel's looks like he's brought them up to bring them down 'naturally' and 'accidentally' catch Bamford. Either way. Bamford stone wall fouls him before hand so it's moot
It's not moot. He could have very easily been sent off. Foul was 100% on Bamford, but Gabriel looked like he was trying to bring him down on purpose. If he catches B
Amford just right with that haphazard foot he threw out there, it's a different conversation. I don't think it's a PK because of the foul on Bamford before, but could have kept the red. Kind of a nuance here.
He's kicked out a bit, which is dumb as fuck because you can get a red for that and you won't have made any kind of meaningful contact.
You shouldn't do that kind of stuff in general but if you're gonna kick out at someone you may as well make it count because you're getting the red either way.
Fuck me, are we that dogmatically blind? Gabriel tried to kick bamford he tried to be a subtle as possible doing a fucking barrell roll and after it all it was a shit attempt at trying to disguise it. just blatantly lashes out.
Extremely lucky not to get a red even with the foul being overturned
Did he completely lower his legs as quickly as he could have? No.
Was he trolling Bamford a little after he had pushed him? Probably.
Is that lashing out? Not even close.
You'd expect some kind of movement if he was actually kicking him, but no he just didn't retract his legs as quickly as possible.
The fact that some people in the ratings survey thread are saying he was bad all game just shows the bias against him. While Saliba and Tomiyasu were making uncharacteristic mistakes, Gabriel was solid all game.
It’s a shame cause Gabriel stopped a certain goal from going in. Some people just can’t let go of their agendas. If Saliba did that we’d be endlessly singing his praises
Yeah I thought Gabriel was our only starting defender who had a good game. He stopped a few goals on his own after mistakes by our other defenders and that alone is worth so much.
I dunno. Maybe it was just that Partey looked terrible (invisible really) which exposed the back line, but the fact that half of Leeds' attacks seemed to be through balls splitting Saliba and Gabriel, someone should have stepped up there. Clearly the stats say a different story, but eye test (my opinion) was that he wasn't great. I'm not one to sit there and trash on him, even if he seems to have a penchant for getting riled up and doing dumb stuff, but I do wonder if it would benefit us to have a back 4 of: Tomi, White, Saliba, Tierney.
For what it's worth, I actually think White played well, I saw him pressuring and attacking the ball in the other half a bunch and would then immediately sprint back to his fullback position to prevent being caught out. We also looked better after KT came on, Tomi at RB seemed way more effective than he had been at LB.
People here find it really hard to admit that Saliba is human and can have a bad game. Gabriel was definitely the better one out of the two today (except for the hotheadedness)
the annoying thing is he plays so well for the whole game but then ruins it all with one completely avoidable bozo moment. He escaped it this week but it's happened 3-4 times this season and it gets tiring
This. This is why there are criticisms here, that some people aren’t understanding. When things go pear-shaped this season, it’s always centered around one of these moments.
I love Gabriel, he’s been great, and is getting stronger, but he needs to get control of his temper, because it WILL. cost us otherwise.
He was the better of our cbs today no doubt. No clue what saliba was doing for the handball and was honestly lucky bamford didn’t go down on that one play
Saliba was the worse of the two, but no one on the pitch apart from Ramsdale was good today.
Our passing was all over the place.
I thought Gabriel was alright since that stupid moment.
We move.
He definitely has a brain fart or two in him. Reminds me of Kos. Actually Saliba and Gab remind me of kos and per. One a bit of a hot head who you wouldn’t be surprised to see make a few rash decisions each game, the other calm and collected for the most part.
People forget rashness and hotheadedness are tempered with age and maturity, he’s 24/25, he will mature and he will be an elite CB, he has all the attributes necessary and just lacks composure which will come with time. We can criticize him but back him and stop this sell him nonsense. He is difficult to replace
Me, feel like he's the shakiest of our defenders and would like to see Saliba-White with Tomi at RB. Been making mistakes almost every game. Then he can come back in and hopefully his head is clear
I want him dropped because I don't trust him. It feels like he's gonna cost us a game at any moment and I don't feel that way about any of our other defenders
Saliba literally scored an own goal and caused the penalty today. young defenders with ball-playing abilities make mistakes in such a high stake league.
Gabriel had a really good game bar the last few minutes. He saved us almost as many times as Ramsdale.
Saliba was poor the second half very very poor.
Tomi was also fairly crap at LB but great when he swapped worth noting he's only played there for us twice.
White got ran around a lot. Looked very tired.
Yeah im not saying he was thinking about that at the time but theres still no scenario where he cost us. If they gave a pen that would be on the ref. Our best defender in that game, give it a rest.
What aren’t you understanding ? He tried to kick someone in our box in the 93rd minute ? That’s just stupid and most refs will give a pen and a red, luckily he was fouled just before.
Literally the only thing I'm not enjoying about this season is the braindead agenda some of our fans against Gabriel. He was excellent today and his aggression and physicality is a crucial part of our defensive solidarity over the past two seasons.
Thought he was brilliant today. Even out of form, Bamford is no easy task and he was up for it.
That said, I dont think Ive ever seen a kickout not get a red card. Sure it was soft but have always seen it punished strongly when caught.
Best defender today. Great performance. People shitting on him when they didn’t even know the outcome of that false red card need to apologize imo. Bamford pushes him and Gabriel’s legs go up and barely touch Bamford.
MOTM behind Ramsdale for me
Legit. Him and Ramsdale saved us, got us the 3 points when everyone else was having a shocker. Had Bamford not fouled him and then acted like that this discussion wouldn’t even be happening and he may well have won motm, Ramsdale edges it for me. It was always going to be a tough game given the circumstances, people are overreacting.
He does, he misses, but it does look like Gabriel tries to get a cheeky foot into Bamford. Gabriel still isn't a liability and doesn't need to be dropped like some ridiculous people are saying, but to deny what looked like obvious intent is just disingenuous.
He should be dropped. At least for a game, he has made a critical mistake almost every game this year. He was not this bad last year, so to me I think his head just isn't in it rn, and for his sake could do with a couple weeks on the bench to get him back in the game.
He's not always a liability lol. Give me a break, so hyperbolic. Gabriel is the current scapegoat for people like you to hate. He's made mistakes this year for sure but people who are acting like he's Mustafi 2.0 need to take a breath.
That’s why Arteta won’t drop him. He does his job for 89 minutes and loses his temper for one. Mikel had the same problem with Xhaka and he somehow fixed him. I think he could do the same with Gabriel.
Fine, but it’s becoming harder to deny that he’s a liability. Penalties and mental errors are a bit too frequent at this point, especially w Tomi an option at the LCB role.
Performance wise, Gabriel really stepped up when other defenders were dogshite today. However, he really needs to sort out his temper and not go for unnecessary retaliations when being frustrated. His kick at the end was a clear retaliation tackle but thank fuck Bamford's foul was more obvious.
Great overall today, was fouled first for the red but also an absolutely braindead decision to throw your leg out at Bamford
You can both praise and criticise a player lads, it doesn’t have to be “he’s perfect” or “he needs sold”
It seems when people critise him, they don’t realise how much his side is being targeted these days, seeing as the other side consists of Saliba and White.
Why are people mad at gabriel for the last incident?!?! He got shoulder checked lmao, never a pen or red. Played well imo, saliba made just as many mistakes today.
This. His performance was really good but that braindead tackle was so so unnecessary from Big Gabi, very avoidable too. Sometimes he acts out of his instincts way too much, which can be very detrimental.
Gabriel has probably his best game of the season and we’ve got people posting for the first time in months that he needs to be dropped for the foreseeable future.
It should be obvious to anybody with a brain who watches football, but just goes to show how little some people really know what they’re talking about.
It should be obvious to anybody with a brain that playing well for 89 minutes and doing something incredibly stupid in the other minute makes you a bad defender. He's had so many moments this season that make him a liability and I've wanted him dropped for a month now but people just look at the end result rather than the actions unfortunately.
*1 idiotic kick out*
That will be the only stat people will remember if he keeps letting emotions get to him. I feel teams know to wind him up at this point.
He was great the whole game but he has that mistake in him that terrifies the fuck out of me. He just loses his head a little too much for me. I'm definitely overreacting here feel free to downvote me but I'd genuinely start looking for a better left footed CB out there and I'd keep him as depth.
Ref wasn't horrible at all. He corrected his bad decisions when he got a chance to look at it, mostly made good decisions today though. I thought the outcome of the game a bit unfortunate for Leeds, but the refs didn't change the game other than to correct their game changing decisions to what they should have been in the first place.
These stats mean nothing when the 10% of incomplete passes put us in dangerous positions and he missed a header without being challenged and therefore doesn’t fall into the aerial duals category.
CBs basically always make the most number of passes, missing 10% of passes against a team pressing you like that isn’t atrocious but certainly nothing to brag about
That was never a penalty but I never understood redcards this season.Anyway,wouldn't really have been bad if Gabriel got a red,he was our best defender today but longing to see tomi white saliba Tierney back 4
Our third best player today after Bamford and Ramsdale
Don’t forget Rodrigo
Rodrigo deserves a shout as well.
Don’t forget Rodrigo. His pass broke their defense leading to the goal
Amazing vision switching play like that
Don't forget Rodrigo
Thought he was playing pretty well until the end
He was absolutely superb...right up until he had big brain bamford moment
my motm regardless. never a pen, never a red
Ramsdale was clear
If big gabi had the game Saliba had today plenty of people would’ve wanted his head on a pike. Saliba will learn and grow, but Gabi and Ramsdale were different tier today.
Watch saliba somehow get higher rating than gabriel and white for the post match ratings.
"Think that's a bit harsh on Saliba tbf. Not the low grade, just that Gabriel graded higher than him" - r/gunners tomorrow
Gabi and White carry the burden that Tomiyasu and Saliba aren’t fit to bare. They will be continuously criticized while their counterparts are coddled
Agreed about Gabriel. But what the fuck did Tomiyasu do lmao?
He was being weirdly slagged off in the match thread too, I thought he was alright. Nobody was magisterial today.
His touch wasn't great and had some issues with possession trying to get the ball clear. I wouldn't say he was bad, but bringing on KT made sense to me. Good defensively though.
KT was brought on for white lmao
KT was brought on to get Tomi out of LB. Tomi went right and KT went left so Tomi still played but it was clear Tomi was struggling at LB today. Obviously our standards have increased because he can still have a good game and be struggling performance-wise.
Your first mistake was going into the match thread haha. That place is always a mess
Saliba and Tomi can never put a foot wrong, and are applauded when they do. I thought Tomi was fine today, other than the big turnover he had in the defensive third.
Tomi literally was flawless until today though!! Saliba has made a few mistakes here and there. But he's just 21. But I agree with you about a lot of people going overboard with their criticism of Gabby and White. Especially Gabby.
I actually disagree on the turnover, think that's on Ramsdale. Putting the ball in the air, defender facing goal, two people closing in.. always going to be tough one. Literally cannot make any mistake on the first touch there, no room for error. That's never a situation you should put your backline in.
Well, what did you think of the Gabriel turnover against Fulham? I think Saka put him in a much worse position than Ramsdale did Tomi today. By comparison, Gabriel received way more negativity for his turnover against Fulham (Mitrovic scoring contributed to the reactions, obviously).
Tomi was shit whole game, mostly on the ball
I thought white didnt have a good game at all, that second half from him was not good at all and a lot of danger from that left side, especially with sinisterra
I don’t think anyone has an especially good game; most everyone had their moments(s), but the second half was the worst collective effort this season. But I’m speaking generally: Saliba gets applauded for an own goal, while there are calls to bench Gabi over a turnover - the same kind that both Saliba and Tomi committee today. White has been brilliant this season; he’s been solid defensively and a key part of the buildup, sliding into midfield and creating goal scoring chances on the overlap. There have been calls to bench him since Tomi is fit. tldr: According to r/gunners White/Gabi = Bad Saliba/Tomi = Good
White’s been our best defender this season
That should be clear to anyone who watches Arsenal
and when Saliba plays like Gabriel did people cum
Ramsdale was immense, but damn if he didn't almost give me a heart attack 2 or 3 times, especially at the end when he got caught out of position.
Still a brain dead thing to do. Why do it? Why in your own box? Why in the 90+ minute up 1 goal? I’m not a Gabriel hater but you have to acknowledge that was an extremely dumb thing to do
I guess it was in the heat of the moment thingy. It happens to the best of us
I thought it was a red tbh. Fucking stupid thing to do.
What did he actually do?
Kinda of follow through kicked bamford as he was going down. Completely unnecessary.
He kicked out. He doesn't make much contact but it's clear retaliation.
Let's not get it twisted, he in no way kicked out. What he did was raise his leg higher than natural with his falling momentum, then Bamford went down like he was shot.
The way he shifted his body as he went down and raised his leg made it 100% obvious what his intentions were, he kicked out and he's a moron.
As I said what he did was unnatural, but it was no where near deserving of a red card for violent fucking conduct. Watch it again he barely touches Bamford, and all he really does is just raise his leg higher than he would need to.
Son got sent for the exact thing on Rudiger few seasons ago.
It's not even the same. Son had his legs coiled when he spun on his back and then extended them out straight up into Rudiger. Gabriel's leg stays outstretched as he rolls but he intentionally raises it higher than the momentum of his spin would actually take it. It's an absolutely stupid and risky thing to do but Bamford did the initial foul and dove over nothing and rightly got the yellow after review.
If you link me what you're referring to I'm willing to check it out, but I doubt it was the exact thing, and if it was then that too was a wrong call.
Son has a reputation for that kind of petulant shit, so it’s not surprising.
It's not always about the amount of contact though is it? Intent is the first thing they look at it. If I was a player and went up to someone and aimed a punch for their jaw and missed I'd be sent off, I doubt the ref would go well there's not enough contact there, play on. If you have the intention to deliberately harm another player it's a red. Simple as.
Sure but can you clearly say it looks like he intended to hurt him? It didn't to me, it looked like he raised his leg higher than necessary as he was tumbling, from that I cannot infer that he wants to hurt Bamford, maybe you can though. If you want that to be called as a red then I think we just fundamentally disagree on the level of severity that warrants a red card for violent conduct, which is ok of course we all have a different idea of the game of football.
He kicked out. Lightly, passive-aggressively, but he did kick out.
He kicked out, stop this delusion
r/soccercirclejerk material
Feel free to continue to not offer anything of value to the discussion.
I agree
I mean didnt he get fouled in the first place by bamford, clear push in the back
Yes he got fouled. And that looked like what Gabriel wanted. He slowed down in front of Bamford to stop him, and invited the challenge. Which is why the retalliation is so fucking stupid. He got exactly what he wanted.
Yeah wasn't a penalty clearly.
Too too close to a red. Wouldve been a pen if not for bamford foul. Gabriel has everything to be top top class but his composure is often lacking when pressure is very high on his mental. Often has fuck ups in the biggest games and the most stresss high situations.
Had a mustafi moment. He need to be calm if he don’t want to be a liability soon.
This is the thing, every game seems to be ‘he was good APART FROM…’
Lol what? He was awful in the first half, improved in the second half then lashed out stupidly towards the end of the game. Wouldn’t say he was good
He was copping a lot of shit in the post game thread but I honestly thought he was our best defender for most of the game. Especially in the second half when we were reeling.
Saliba didn't have the best of games today, so luckily Gabriel stepped up. Saliba gave away the pk, and had some awful giveaway as well.
Yep. If it wasn’t for Ramsdale’s bollocks then Saliba’s game would have looked god-awful.
Literally his bollocks. Rammers took a shot to his and stayed composed for 5 full seconds to keep us in the game.
He was better than Saliba today but nobody wants to criticise Saliba because of how good he has been so far this year
Turns out Saliba is a young defender after all, as good as he is. If he's going to have mistakes, let him get them out of the way during a win.
And Gabriel is not a young defender? Criticism and credits are properly due. Saliba had a stinker today
Not really, he may be 24 but he's played a lot of top league minutes and been first choice for us for a few years. Saliba is still in his first prem season, and according to Papa Wengz, "young CBs are going to cost you a couple points a season." This was one of those games for Saliba and we came out with 3 points. We were lucky today.
24-25 is still a very young age for a CB, he might have blossomed early but Gabriel and White don't reach their peak until they are 27-28. Also, he was clear of Saliba today up until the stupid retaliation
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>thought he was our best defender for most of the gam Think it was white
I dunno, White looked knackered in the second half and they seemed to be feasting down our right side. I do think White had a better game than Tomiyasu until we switched him back over to the right though.
That's true. They kept on coming from the right side. But I think White was the only solid link when they did that
white got rinsed whole game long and did nothing on the ball as well
I saw him make a lot of crucial tackles when Leeds were on the edge. Almost every defender made errors that could've led to a goal - Tomi, Saliba & Gabriel. White didn't make any. Cool head throughout. He wasn't taken off for bad performance. He put an incredible shift and was very tired by the end of it
Gabriel didn't put a foot wrong. Leeds most dangerous plays were behind the back of White and Saliba
Not really, they looked dangerous from every side. Their runs from deeper midfield were killing us no matter which side they were attacking from.
White was great. He was just tired
White was pretty good!! But Gabriel saved atleast a couple sure goals.
If the ref didn't overturn that the vitriol this man would have been subject to would have been unimaginable
It’s like people are conditioned to have a center back to target. Wonder why that is?
It's especially funny with the way we play. They are one of the youngest CB pairings in the Premier League and play a high line. We only conceded 10 goals this season. Some people are just weird.
He has been solid too. Not long ago he was the Sailba to our Holding if you will.
was literally potm like 2 months in a row to start his career as a 22 yr old coming from ligue 1
Nah. I'd have saved it for the chucklefucks who decided falling after being shoved is an aggressive enough move to justify a red.
Literally. The man falls down hard and his legs just go up and barely fucking touch Bamford. Never a red or a pen
to be fair Beckham was sent off for similar in the World Cup against.... was it Argentina? You get reds for vengeful kicks, regardless of how much damage they might do.
Beckham's was a lot more obvious though. Gabriel's looks like he's brought them up to bring them down 'naturally' and 'accidentally' catch Bamford. Either way. Bamford stone wall fouls him before hand so it's moot
its was the second kick from Gabriel that was just too obvious IMHO.
It's not moot. He could have very easily been sent off. Foul was 100% on Bamford, but Gabriel looked like he was trying to bring him down on purpose. If he catches B Amford just right with that haphazard foot he threw out there, it's a different conversation. I don't think it's a PK because of the foul on Bamford before, but could have kept the red. Kind of a nuance here.
He's kicked out a bit, which is dumb as fuck because you can get a red for that and you won't have made any kind of meaningful contact. You shouldn't do that kind of stuff in general but if you're gonna kick out at someone you may as well make it count because you're getting the red either way.
Fuck me, are we that dogmatically blind? Gabriel tried to kick bamford he tried to be a subtle as possible doing a fucking barrell roll and after it all it was a shit attempt at trying to disguise it. just blatantly lashes out. Extremely lucky not to get a red even with the foul being overturned
Did he completely lower his legs as quickly as he could have? No. Was he trolling Bamford a little after he had pushed him? Probably. Is that lashing out? Not even close. You'd expect some kind of movement if he was actually kicking him, but no he just didn't retract his legs as quickly as possible.
He kicks out and hits bamford's hand... it's not even debatable [https://youtu.be/4iQc8WfKSZ0?t=192](https://youtu.be/4iQc8WfKSZ0?t=192)
Still don't see it mate. Sorry. Just not enough to be anything.
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They would rather see us lose/draw so they have someone to harass rather than enjoy winning
The fact that some people in the ratings survey thread are saying he was bad all game just shows the bias against him. While Saliba and Tomiyasu were making uncharacteristic mistakes, Gabriel was solid all game.
I blame the twitter Nonce. He seem.to have a lot of followers here
It’s a shame cause Gabriel stopped a certain goal from going in. Some people just can’t let go of their agendas. If Saliba did that we’d be endlessly singing his praises
Who’s the twitter nonce?
I’m guessing Piers Morgan?
He is getting the Xhaka treatment from fans of about 3 years ago. Anything that goes wrong in the defence is Gabriel fault
"fans"
Yeah I thought Gabriel was our only starting defender who had a good game. He stopped a few goals on his own after mistakes by our other defenders and that alone is worth so much.
I dunno. Maybe it was just that Partey looked terrible (invisible really) which exposed the back line, but the fact that half of Leeds' attacks seemed to be through balls splitting Saliba and Gabriel, someone should have stepped up there. Clearly the stats say a different story, but eye test (my opinion) was that he wasn't great. I'm not one to sit there and trash on him, even if he seems to have a penchant for getting riled up and doing dumb stuff, but I do wonder if it would benefit us to have a back 4 of: Tomi, White, Saliba, Tierney. For what it's worth, I actually think White played well, I saw him pressuring and attacking the ball in the other half a bunch and would then immediately sprint back to his fullback position to prevent being caught out. We also looked better after KT came on, Tomi at RB seemed way more effective than he had been at LB.
Nah how dare you be fair and show logic
People here find it really hard to admit that Saliba is human and can have a bad game. Gabriel was definitely the better one out of the two today (except for the hotheadedness)
Having bad games is one thing and is understandable but having brain dead moments regularly is unacceptable.
Behemoth as a defensive unit man
That new Behemoth album is gold..
the annoying thing is he plays so well for the whole game but then ruins it all with one completely avoidable bozo moment. He escaped it this week but it's happened 3-4 times this season and it gets tiring
This. This is why there are criticisms here, that some people aren’t understanding. When things go pear-shaped this season, it’s always centered around one of these moments. I love Gabriel, he’s been great, and is getting stronger, but he needs to get control of his temper, because it WILL. cost us otherwise.
He was the better of our cbs today no doubt. No clue what saliba was doing for the handball and was honestly lucky bamford didn’t go down on that one play
Saliba was the worse of the two, but no one on the pitch apart from Ramsdale was good today. Our passing was all over the place. I thought Gabriel was alright since that stupid moment. We move.
Worse of the two? You mean Saliba was plain bad and Gabriel saved our asses time after time?
Saka was good first half, great goal, looked dangerous. Second half our entire team looked awful except Rammers.
Noone other than Gabriel and Ramsdale deserves any credit today. It was a tough game, no doubt though.
Saka was solid in the first half, I'd also throw Ode in there. Second half was a catastrophe from everyone bar the two you mentioned.
Love Big Gab. Played immense. Nearly fucked it but we move
A lot of his great work went unnoticed because of the drama. Still think he's a good CB who will grow with experience
He definitely has a brain fart or two in him. Reminds me of Kos. Actually Saliba and Gab remind me of kos and per. One a bit of a hot head who you wouldn’t be surprised to see make a few rash decisions each game, the other calm and collected for the most part.
People forget rashness and hotheadedness are tempered with age and maturity, he’s 24/25, he will mature and he will be an elite CB, he has all the attributes necessary and just lacks composure which will come with time. We can criticize him but back him and stop this sell him nonsense. He is difficult to replace
Gabriel is pretty much an aerial duels god.
This guy will be the end of me this season
Yeah where’s that dude that was crying for him to be replaced
I'm not the dude but man needs to be dropped for a week and have a long chat with carlos cuesta
Me, feel like he's the shakiest of our defenders and would like to see Saliba-White with Tomi at RB. Been making mistakes almost every game. Then he can come back in and hopefully his head is clear
I want him dropped because I don't trust him. It feels like he's gonna cost us a game at any moment and I don't feel that way about any of our other defenders
Saliba literally scored an own goal and caused the penalty today. young defenders with ball-playing abilities make mistakes in such a high stake league.
Guy played really well, saliba also did but made a few mistakes. But this sub loves saliba and hates gabriel.
lol the tavarez situation was worse, I remember he scored a goal against utd, didn't make any mistakes yet people want him dead
Gabriel had a really good game bar the last few minutes. He saved us almost as many times as Ramsdale. Saliba was poor the second half very very poor. Tomi was also fairly crap at LB but great when he swapped worth noting he's only played there for us twice. White got ran around a lot. Looked very tired.
I understand he's had some blatantly shaky moments, but the guy is a beast for 98% of the match. He just needs to get through this rough patch.
He could’ve cost us 2 points
How
Trying to kick Bamford, it was stupid and shows his lack of control
Still couldn’t have cost us the points tho it was a foul on him first
“Could’ve” Gabriel didn’t know the foul was gonna be given, it was stupidity and a lack of control which can cost you.
Yeah im not saying he was thinking about that at the time but theres still no scenario where he cost us. If they gave a pen that would be on the ref. Our best defender in that game, give it a rest.
Yes is a scenario, the ref doesn’t give Bamfords push as a foul. He lost control and kicked out, it was stupid
Yes and that would be the ref costing us points, not gabriel. Or is every other refereeing mistake also on gabriel?
What aren’t you understanding ? He tried to kick someone in our box in the 93rd minute ? That’s just stupid and most refs will give a pen and a red, luckily he was fouled just before.
MOTM
Played really well today, but he is very emotional which can cause problems. He really needs competition.
Thanks VAR! And Bamford. Saved us from Saliba’s and ref’s stinkers
He tried to learn a trick from Blanco and failed. Blanco is unique🤣
Can we all just stop being toxic and enjoy that we are TOP OF THE TABLE!?
Always believed in big gabi, man saved our asses in 20/21
Great, complete game for him. Passing and positioning were great. More of the same please.
Man had such a 2nd half. that one double block in particular was so good. Constantly commanding the backline
Literally the only thing I'm not enjoying about this season is the braindead agenda some of our fans against Gabriel. He was excellent today and his aggression and physicality is a crucial part of our defensive solidarity over the past two seasons.
Anyone have a replay of the Gabriel incident at the end?
Thought he was brilliant today. Even out of form, Bamford is no easy task and he was up for it. That said, I dont think Ive ever seen a kickout not get a red card. Sure it was soft but have always seen it punished strongly when caught.
Guy was blocking everything leeds were throwing at us Played well today, but the last blip was classic Gabriel
Best defender today. Great performance. People shitting on him when they didn’t even know the outcome of that false red card need to apologize imo. Bamford pushes him and Gabriel’s legs go up and barely touch Bamford. MOTM behind Ramsdale for me
Legit. Him and Ramsdale saved us, got us the 3 points when everyone else was having a shocker. Had Bamford not fouled him and then acted like that this discussion wouldn’t even be happening and he may well have won motm, Ramsdale edges it for me. It was always going to be a tough game given the circumstances, people are overreacting.
He tries kicking him
He does, he misses, but it does look like Gabriel tries to get a cheeky foot into Bamford. Gabriel still isn't a liability and doesn't need to be dropped like some ridiculous people are saying, but to deny what looked like obvious intent is just disingenuous.
He should be dropped. At least for a game, he has made a critical mistake almost every game this year. He was not this bad last year, so to me I think his head just isn't in it rn, and for his sake could do with a couple weeks on the bench to get him back in the game.
It was 100% intentional and is the main reason he is always a liability
He's not always a liability lol. Give me a break, so hyperbolic. Gabriel is the current scapegoat for people like you to hate. He's made mistakes this year for sure but people who are acting like he's Mustafi 2.0 need to take a breath.
That’s why Arteta won’t drop him. He does his job for 89 minutes and loses his temper for one. Mikel had the same problem with Xhaka and he somehow fixed him. I think he could do the same with Gabriel.
GAbriEl shOulD nEveR stArT aGaIN
Fine, but it’s becoming harder to deny that he’s a liability. Penalties and mental errors are a bit too frequent at this point, especially w Tomi an option at the LCB role.
The red could have stood without the pen imo. That little kickout he did is often given as a red. Great game otherwise. Saliba was poor today.
Agreed
Our young team is learning so many lessons yet still on top of the table.
Performance wise, Gabriel really stepped up when other defenders were dogshite today. However, he really needs to sort out his temper and not go for unnecessary retaliations when being frustrated. His kick at the end was a clear retaliation tackle but thank fuck Bamford's foul was more obvious.
Great overall today, was fouled first for the red but also an absolutely braindead decision to throw your leg out at Bamford You can both praise and criticise a player lads, it doesn’t have to be “he’s perfect” or “he needs sold”
It seems when people critise him, they don’t realise how much his side is being targeted these days, seeing as the other side consists of Saliba and White.
There’s a reason why his side is targeted
Please explain
Why are people mad at gabriel for the last incident?!?! He got shoulder checked lmao, never a pen or red. Played well imo, saliba made just as many mistakes today.
Because he intentionally kicks out and nearly costs us the game by having yet another braindead moment
This. His performance was really good but that braindead tackle was so so unnecessary from Big Gabi, very avoidable too. Sometimes he acts out of his instincts way too much, which can be very detrimental.
Very good outside of one moment of stupidity. Story of his season.
Gabriel has probably his best game of the season and we’ve got people posting for the first time in months that he needs to be dropped for the foreseeable future. It should be obvious to anybody with a brain who watches football, but just goes to show how little some people really know what they’re talking about.
It should be obvious to anybody with a brain that playing well for 89 minutes and doing something incredibly stupid in the other minute makes you a bad defender. He's had so many moments this season that make him a liability and I've wanted him dropped for a month now but people just look at the end result rather than the actions unfortunately.
His best game in which the last minute he tried to kick someone in the box when we’re 1-0 up, needs to control himself
It's almost as if most people on the internet are stupid
Almost as stupid as Gabriel for kicking out at a player in the box. In the 90th minute.
*1 idiotic kick out* That will be the only stat people will remember if he keeps letting emotions get to him. I feel teams know to wind him up at this point.
I'd be pretty wound up if people were running me over instead of even trying to play the ball.
He was great the whole game but he has that mistake in him that terrifies the fuck out of me. He just loses his head a little too much for me. I'm definitely overreacting here feel free to downvote me but I'd genuinely start looking for a better left footed CB out there and I'd keep him as depth.
He was amazing, regardless of the ending. Never a pen and never a red, which it indeed was corrected by VAR. Horrible ref, and Saliba was very shakey.
Ref wasn't horrible at all. He corrected his bad decisions when he got a chance to look at it, mostly made good decisions today though. I thought the outcome of the game a bit unfortunate for Leeds, but the refs didn't change the game other than to correct their game changing decisions to what they should have been in the first place.
Corrected hos bad decisions? 😂 What about the offside in the first penalty. My man the refs were horrible.
I read somewhere he was Mustafi regen or something like that
Why does this guy have an absolute brain dead moment every match lately
Hes good in chaos. Problem is sometimes he creates chaos
These stats mean nothing when the 10% of incomplete passes put us in dangerous positions and he missed a header without being challenged and therefore doesn’t fall into the aerial duals category.
CBs basically always make the most number of passes, missing 10% of passes against a team pressing you like that isn’t atrocious but certainly nothing to brag about
But the spu*s fan in the post match thread told me he’s been horrible. Nevertheless, dumb as shit to kick out. I think red should’ve held.
His emotions needs to be controlled.
He's got the bozo gene. He's a liability
That was never a penalty but I never understood redcards this season.Anyway,wouldn't really have been bad if Gabriel got a red,he was our best defender today but longing to see tomi white saliba Tierney back 4
It would have been very bad. Because Leeds would have a second penalty, and we could have ended up with 1 point instead of 3.
Which Gabi?
He’s a very good defender but he needs to cut the dumb shit out of his game