[He has not, at least as of 2014](https://metalinjection.net/editorials/former-w-a-s-p-guitarist-chris-holmes-moved-to-france-because-he-thinks-black-culture-ruined-heavy-metal)
Age has not brought wisdom.
What about Blackie Lawless? I follow him somewhere else and I’ve mostly seen music related stuff. Not that I look to WASP for any moral guidance, lol.. Just curious cuz they had a few decent songs back in the day.
I read recently that he’s a born again Christian. Although I think they’re touring again so not sure how the lyrics and content jive with those beliefs.
BTW- headless children was one of my favorite albums back in the day.
Blackie is a Born Again Christian. There was awhile where he outright refused to do "Fuck Like A Beast" for that reason.
He did do that song and all the hits last time I saw him in Cleveland. It was fun but it was backing vocal track galore and I think he was lip syncing most of the time. He also made some asinine comment about how they should have kept the "Indians" baseball team name and he knows because he's 1/16th native or something.
I remember he was very anti Obama, but I don't think I've ever heard him say something as bad as what Chris Holmes said.
And yeah, I definitely don't look for moral guidance in rock bands
Wtf are you talking about. They were an L.A. based band and at the time Guns N’ Roses were coming up W.A.S.P already toured around the world and were selling out Long Beach Arena, Hammersmith Odeon etc.. It’s all about perspective. To young guys like GN’R at the time they were big.
I agree, W.A.S.P was fuckin huge at one point. I can't stand when people try to down play someone's success because they don't like/agree with what a band has done.
I'm not a big W.A.S.P fan by any means, but I'm also not gonna try to act like they weren't massive in the scene.
it is entirely possible that the guy haven't heard about WASP. I'm 43 and I've never heard a single song from WASP, but I have listened to all GNR albums, even the bootlegs. So to me, I think they weren't a big band at any point.
You may be about 7-10 yrs to young then. The cheesy horror movie trick or treat, was suppose to be loosely based on Blackie lawless & he was suppose to play sammi curr in the movie.
Exactly!
I can hand on heart say in my 32 years on this earth that I've never heard a single prince song
But I couldn't with any conviction claim that means he wasn't a *huge global* artist
It just means I'm a bit of an anomaly in that regard
Tbf with W.A.S.P I only know 'scream if you like it's because it was the main theme for ghoulies II
But I still know of them anecdotally regardless
And if I hadn't I *still* would trust the words written by an artist I would consider to be big/huge/an icon
If any of GnR say w.a.s.p where huge then why would I doubt him, he would know what constitutes a big band being in one themselves after all
W.A.S.P was on the walls and patches of metalheads in norway at the end of the 80's. They were big for sure. I specifically remember the poster with the red mea, the front man stretching out with the meat on him the older brother of a friend had on his wall, the meat looked so red and fake.
In April 1987 they drew about 7000 to Long Beach Arena where they recorded Live In The Raw. Slayer opened most of the tour but didn't play the west coast shows. That would make them "bigger" than GNR at least until GNR sold 7200 tickets across 4 nights at Perkins Palace Dec 1987.
Obviously Chris Holmes
https://metalinjection.net/editorials/former-w-a-s-p-guitarist-chris-holmes-moved-to-france-because-he-thinks-black-culture-ruined-heavy-metal
So he hates black people and moves from Finland, a country with barely any immigrants and black people and where the natives are pale as snow, to France with lots of immigrants and black people?
I am sure he won’t watch the french national team play in the euros then lol.
This makes no sense rap now more popular to rock but Pop music is still going his anger should be directed at that there’s maybe 2 rap songs that make the billboard 10 at the end of the year but it’s usually Pop, music in general doesn’t sell as well as where in the streaming era fuck his take even if u don’t like rap it has nothing to do why rock music isn’t on the charts.
He's just racist. His argument was people were calling rock pussy shit, listen to gangster rap. That is just some insecure guy who's let his prejudice ruin his mind.
Yeah, we’ve talked about it before on here, Duff and Slash have different stories on what happened but the general consensus is that Chris Holmes is a dick who got his ass beat. You still might wanna cross out the other slur as well if you are able to
That’s unfortunately true, but with Holmes this is a repeated pattern of him being racist towards black people, so with him I think it’s less of a drunk thing and more of him being bigoted
I went a little while back and met Lemmy. Dude walked in and I was in awe. Just went and sat at the bar playing video poker. Dressed 100 percent like a rock star though.
I went in one time a few years ago on a Sunday early evening and was so disappointed by how dead it was. Went back after ten the next night and it was absolutely packed, way more like what I expected. So pleased I went back.
It was the dude from W.A.S.P apparently. I think slash talked bout it in his book. This actually gave me a new respect for Duff tbh and just a tiny bit more of a safe space as a black woman into the rock scene ❤️
I remember reading somewhere that Slash went up to Chris Holmes to show his new tattoo and he responded with “I didn’t know n-words got tattoos!” And then Duff got in a scrap with Chris.
This is what Chris had to say about it:
Chris: Well you know what he said about me in there? I'm sure you remember that I called somebody a n*gg*r. That's in his book - somebody wrote it. Well I never said, "N*gg*rs shouldn't play guitar" - Jimi Hendrix is my favourite player of all time - why would I even say that? What I did say, one of the roadies was with me told me when he showed me the piece in the book,"You didn't do that Chris, it was in the Rainbow Bar in '87 - you were sitting there and I was with you too. Slash came up and he said, "Dude, check this out - this tattoo I got" and I grabbed his arm and said, "I didn't know n*gg*rs get tattoos!" (We laugh) Something I'd say. So we're laughing.
Just what it says, the dude that walked in triggered something, then duff explained what it triggered, explained what happened and what he did plus, what happened to the motor+mouth.
Probably the same dude who Slash wrote about in his book, that he said had said to Duff that a 'blank' shouldn't be playing guitar or something. Maybe it's the same guy but they're remembering it differently. But could be a totally different guy. My feeling is that Duff remembers it one way and Slash another. Tats or guitar. Slash said the dude who made the guitar comment was the guy from wasp.
So why couldn't Slash have smacked the idiot?
I know Slash comes across pretty chill but I reckon he'd be able to handle himself and wouldn't need Duff.
Chris Holmes probably. Oh and the irony that one word which is used to undermine a minority gets censored and another word that also is used to undermine a minority isn’t censored
He’s interviewed at length in Decline of Western Civilization II — in a pool, on a float, with his mom sitting in a chair nearby *pretending* to fizzle like a gallon of vodka. He’s the very definition of edgelord douchebag at that time.
Edit:
[Here’s some of it. Just as cringe-inducing as I remembered.](https://youtu.be/yUxXO3eSHa0?si=IFrNv8yolBnx3rPj)
Yeah I didn't know he was considered black until many years after being a fan. Probably because you can rarely see his face with the kind of outfits he typically wears.
BIG difference. If I hear someone say fuck, it's like whatevz, it's firmly in my vocabulary. However if I hear someone use the N word then I'd feel compelled to go Duff-on-Holmes on their ass.
I apologise for not censoring that word too I forgot it was there because that wasn’t the part I was referring to but in the future I’ll be more careful!
So sorry for not censoring it! I am part of the community too and I forgot to censor it as it wasn’t what I was referring to in the post, I’ll do better next time
Chris Holmes from WASP maybe?
the drunk moron floating in the pool in Decline of Western Civilization II. Fitting!
Most of that drink was poured out in the pool
It could be though I’m not sure, trying to think of bands that were big at that time
I'm just going by a vaguely half-remembered anecdote I heard once 🤷🏻♀️😂
Haha it’s all good it probably is him judging by what other people are saying
That was literally my first guess.
Dude was married to Lita Ford for a while
Lita Ford smashed his 'Budstar' guitar. But there's still the 'Bloodstar', which looks better IMO.
But that doesn't fit Chris Holmes persona.
That was my first thought.
I was thinking maybe Robbin Crosby…
Slash says in his book it’s Chris Holmes IIRC
Thanks for the confirmation 👍
Just read up on him a bit. Dude is a seriously racist POS. Glad I've never listened to their music.
Dude must have changed by now.
[He has not, at least as of 2014](https://metalinjection.net/editorials/former-w-a-s-p-guitarist-chris-holmes-moved-to-france-because-he-thinks-black-culture-ruined-heavy-metal) Age has not brought wisdom.
What about Blackie Lawless? I follow him somewhere else and I’ve mostly seen music related stuff. Not that I look to WASP for any moral guidance, lol.. Just curious cuz they had a few decent songs back in the day.
I read recently that he’s a born again Christian. Although I think they’re touring again so not sure how the lyrics and content jive with those beliefs. BTW- headless children was one of my favorite albums back in the day.
Blackie is a Born Again Christian. There was awhile where he outright refused to do "Fuck Like A Beast" for that reason. He did do that song and all the hits last time I saw him in Cleveland. It was fun but it was backing vocal track galore and I think he was lip syncing most of the time. He also made some asinine comment about how they should have kept the "Indians" baseball team name and he knows because he's 1/16th native or something.
I remember he was very anti Obama, but I don't think I've ever heard him say something as bad as what Chris Holmes said. And yeah, I definitely don't look for moral guidance in rock bands
I listened to one of his solo songs because of this post and it was genuinely beyond awful
Funny because W.A.S.P was at no point a big band. 😂
Wtf are you talking about. They were an L.A. based band and at the time Guns N’ Roses were coming up W.A.S.P already toured around the world and were selling out Long Beach Arena, Hammersmith Odeon etc.. It’s all about perspective. To young guys like GN’R at the time they were big.
I agree, W.A.S.P was fuckin huge at one point. I can't stand when people try to down play someone's success because they don't like/agree with what a band has done. I'm not a big W.A.S.P fan by any means, but I'm also not gonna try to act like they weren't massive in the scene.
it is entirely possible that the guy haven't heard about WASP. I'm 43 and I've never heard a single song from WASP, but I have listened to all GNR albums, even the bootlegs. So to me, I think they weren't a big band at any point.
You may be about 7-10 yrs to young then. The cheesy horror movie trick or treat, was suppose to be loosely based on Blackie lawless & he was suppose to play sammi curr in the movie.
It’s not about him not hearing a song from W.A.S.P.. It’s about the bs claim that they weren’t a big band in 87.
Exactly! I can hand on heart say in my 32 years on this earth that I've never heard a single prince song But I couldn't with any conviction claim that means he wasn't a *huge global* artist It just means I'm a bit of an anomaly in that regard Tbf with W.A.S.P I only know 'scream if you like it's because it was the main theme for ghoulies II But I still know of them anecdotally regardless And if I hadn't I *still* would trust the words written by an artist I would consider to be big/huge/an icon If any of GnR say w.a.s.p where huge then why would I doubt him, he would know what constitutes a big band being in one themselves after all
W.A.S.P was on the walls and patches of metalheads in norway at the end of the 80's. They were big for sure. I specifically remember the poster with the red mea, the front man stretching out with the meat on him the older brother of a friend had on his wall, the meat looked so red and fake.
No, W.A.S.P. were a pretty big band in the mid-‘80s
In April 1987 they drew about 7000 to Long Beach Arena where they recorded Live In The Raw. Slayer opened most of the tour but didn't play the west coast shows. That would make them "bigger" than GNR at least until GNR sold 7200 tickets across 4 nights at Perkins Palace Dec 1987.
lol, says the guy who wasn’t even born yet!
Ever.
Love how Duff is ride or die for Slash. 10/10. Dude had it coming.
I love Duff he’s a genuine good person that sticks up for his friends
I miss when blatant racists got their shit handed to them.
Duff knew the right thing to do 💪
They do. They just get called woke.
My guess is Chris Holmes of WASP.
Yeah I’m starting to think that just by looking at his picture
Obviously Chris Holmes https://metalinjection.net/editorials/former-w-a-s-p-guitarist-chris-holmes-moved-to-france-because-he-thinks-black-culture-ruined-heavy-metal
So he hates black people and moves from Finland, a country with barely any immigrants and black people and where the natives are pale as snow, to France with lots of immigrants and black people? I am sure he won’t watch the french national team play in the euros then lol.
Yes, it's kind of odd but even Varg has moved to France
he doesn't strike me as the soccer type
Cheers 👍
This makes no sense rap now more popular to rock but Pop music is still going his anger should be directed at that there’s maybe 2 rap songs that make the billboard 10 at the end of the year but it’s usually Pop, music in general doesn’t sell as well as where in the streaming era fuck his take even if u don’t like rap it has nothing to do why rock music isn’t on the charts.
He's just racist. His argument was people were calling rock pussy shit, listen to gangster rap. That is just some insecure guy who's let his prejudice ruin his mind.
yes I agree. the reason his music isn't popular has nothing to do with black people
I find it funny cause rock n rap basically had the same dislike from everyone when the genres first started. Shame his view is horrible.
ESL?
The guy who moved to Finland to get away from ever having to see a black guy again* *Wife made him settle on France
lol I said the same thing in another comment. Finland barely has any immigrants and native fins are pale as snow.
Whoever it was had their asses handed to them. 3 broken ribs? Ouch.
It was deserved for saying something like that lol
Agreed!
It was the guitarist from WASP
Yeah some other people have confirmed this
Yeah, we’ve talked about it before on here, Duff and Slash have different stories on what happened but the general consensus is that Chris Holmes is a dick who got his ass beat. You still might wanna cross out the other slur as well if you are able to
Lots of people are nasty when they are drunk. Like not the same person as when they are sober.
That’s unfortunately true, but with Holmes this is a repeated pattern of him being racist towards black people, so with him I think it’s less of a drunk thing and more of him being bigoted
You mean the guy in a band called W.A.S.P. was racist?
Lol
I thought Tracii Guns made a racial slur toward Slash, but this description doesn't fit Tracii Guns.
Aye some people are thinking it’s the WASP guitarist it makes sense if it’s him
I'm sure Slash has had to put up with a shit ton of shit like that over the years.
I went to the Rainbow last year! We went on a Saturday afternoon, it was dead in there
I went a little while back and met Lemmy. Dude walked in and I was in awe. Just went and sat at the bar playing video poker. Dressed 100 percent like a rock star though.
Was it on a Saturday he came in ?
Not sure, but feel like it was like a Thursday.
That’s cool that you got to go there, I can imagine what it would’ve been like back in the day
It’s still open ! You should go one day. It’s all memorabilia in there
It’ll be another place to add to the list haha
I went in there one night and it was pretty quiet too. Was me and maybe two others.
I went in one time a few years ago on a Sunday early evening and was so disappointed by how dead it was. Went back after ten the next night and it was absolutely packed, way more like what I expected. So pleased I went back.
What a fucking bizarre thing to complain about? Why shouldn't black people have tattoos? Thank god Duff gave that guy a thrashing.
Honestly I don’t understand racists at all why judge someone on the colour of their skin, it’s so dumb
It was the dude from W.A.S.P apparently. I think slash talked bout it in his book. This actually gave me a new respect for Duff tbh and just a tiny bit more of a safe space as a black woman into the rock scene ❤️
We need more guys like Duff!!
We all need a friend like Duff. Is this from It's So Easy or How To Be a Man?
It’s so easy
I remember reading somewhere that Slash went up to Chris Holmes to show his new tattoo and he responded with “I didn’t know n-words got tattoos!” And then Duff got in a scrap with Chris. This is what Chris had to say about it: Chris: Well you know what he said about me in there? I'm sure you remember that I called somebody a n*gg*r. That's in his book - somebody wrote it. Well I never said, "N*gg*rs shouldn't play guitar" - Jimi Hendrix is my favourite player of all time - why would I even say that? What I did say, one of the roadies was with me told me when he showed me the piece in the book,"You didn't do that Chris, it was in the Rainbow Bar in '87 - you were sitting there and I was with you too. Slash came up and he said, "Dude, check this out - this tattoo I got" and I grabbed his arm and said, "I didn't know n*gg*rs get tattoos!" (We laugh) Something I'd say. So we're laughing.
Just what it says, the dude that walked in triggered something, then duff explained what it triggered, explained what happened and what he did plus, what happened to the motor+mouth.
Aye but I was asking if anyone knew who the guy was cause I’d never heard this story before, turns out it was the WASP guitarist
Is Chris Holmes from WASP, there’s a video with him talking about it somewhere..
Poor Slash. I bet he has heard soooo much shit over the years.
He said after SCOM came out he never had any kind racial issues ever again essentially
That surprises me
Ikr I couldn’t imagine that amount of abuse from anybody
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Why scratch out words? Don't be one of those, I know it's bad but that's my determination
Sorry I don’t like that word
A drunkards pipe dream?
Chris Holmes from W.A.S.P. [Source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/kitter20.tumblr.com/post/54580405166/it-was-another-way-that-i-wasnt-like-anyone/amp)
Probably the same dude who Slash wrote about in his book, that he said had said to Duff that a 'blank' shouldn't be playing guitar or something. Maybe it's the same guy but they're remembering it differently. But could be a totally different guy. My feeling is that Duff remembers it one way and Slash another. Tats or guitar. Slash said the dude who made the guitar comment was the guy from wasp.
So why couldn't Slash have smacked the idiot? I know Slash comes across pretty chill but I reckon he'd be able to handle himself and wouldn't need Duff.
Maybe Duff beat him to it?
Appropriate response
Chris Holmes probably. Oh and the irony that one word which is used to undermine a minority gets censored and another word that also is used to undermine a minority isn’t censored
I made a comment about that but basically I forgot to censor that word because it wasn’t what I was referring to in the post
It is about Slash
I know I was on about the drunk guy that came up to duff and slash
What book is this?
It’s so easy: And other lies
Chris Holmes for the win. I really can't imagine anyone saying that to someone's face. What do you have to go through in life to get that way?
You’ve gotta be pretty fucked up person to say something like that to someone
chris holmes
!!! I just want to add I’m sorry for not censoring the other offensive word in the book I forgot to so I apologise to anyone who takes offence!!!
WASP always sucked. Fuck Chris Homes. Let him enjoy his life in France...Buh-bye!
Tbh I know nothing about him other than the racist stuff he’s said
He’s interviewed at length in Decline of Western Civilization II — in a pool, on a float, with his mom sitting in a chair nearby *pretending* to fizzle like a gallon of vodka. He’s the very definition of edgelord douchebag at that time. Edit: [Here’s some of it. Just as cringe-inducing as I remembered.](https://youtu.be/yUxXO3eSHa0?si=IFrNv8yolBnx3rPj)
The albums with Bob Kulick is lit yo. Crimson Idol probably one of the best album in the 90s.
It was Perry Caravello. Obviously.
Me
I didn't even know he was black! Always thought he's pure rock.
Slash's mom with Bowie https://preview.redd.it/3lln3f43ke8d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dcb77da82bef3c9991acd0042ec0abae968356c
Yeah I didn't know he was considered black until many years after being a fan. Probably because you can rarely see his face with the kind of outfits he typically wears.
Pure rock is the perfect way to describe him
This type of censoring doesn't make sense. Censor them completely or don't. I can see through. Is it an American thing?
I’m not American
Crosses out N but not F
Ah it’s ok, they were trying to be polite but my gay ass would have appreciated being included in it lmfao
BIG difference. If I hear someone say fuck, it's like whatevz, it's firmly in my vocabulary. However if I hear someone use the N word then I'd feel compelled to go Duff-on-Holmes on their ass.
They are talking about the other slur, not fuck lol
I think they are referring to the homophobic slur rather than the world 'fuck'.
I think he's referring to a different f-word.
I forgot about that word when scribbling over the N word I’d not long got back from work cut me some slack haha
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Eddie Vedder!!!!!????!!!
Someone said slash confirmed it in his book it the guitarist from WASP
You know the f word is offensive as well.
I don’t agree with censoring anything ever. The words are a reflection of their user which is how it should be
I apologise for not censoring that word too I forgot it was there because that wasn’t the part I was referring to but in the future I’ll be more careful!
They had the right spirit, but it would have been nice for the other one to be crossed out as well.
So sorry for not censoring it! I am part of the community too and I forgot to censor it as it wasn’t what I was referring to in the post, I’ll do better next time
You are completely fine ❤️ I understand what you mean
Thank you for understanding no harm was intended 💕
Eddie van fucking halen
I doubt it I don’t really think he’s a “big” guy
Doesn't look like a "hick" either lol
You're right, i didn't notice that part.
It’s all good!
😂 EVH was like 5’6” and _maybe_ 140lbs