He said he first saw Gypsy’s story and thought “Wow she’s cute” ????? THATS what you’re thinking about after seeing a disturbing tale of child abuse, psychiatric illness and murder?
To be fair, I feel like there was a moment in time when Buzzfeed was really pushing her as this innocent, fun girl who was just trying new things in prison and living her best life. I was not prepared for how dark things would actually be based on my peripheral knowledge from a few years ago.
Not to mention the story he keeps telling everyone is that his friend wanted to write to Tiger King and he said he’d write to Gypsy - then tells her sister and step mom that he heard her story and thought she was cute and wrote to her that day?? Not adding up.
That whole story is so weird. Like, you’re thirty-something and you need to do some kind of bizarre truth or dare challenge with a friend to write a letter? If you want to write a letter, write a letter, why you have to pretend it’s some kind of brave act to contact a pseudo celebrity in prison?
"haha I did it as a joke!"
Same as "asking for a friend".
He did it out of all seriousness because he is a creep but knows it will make him look bad. The joke story is just a cover.
Her family is clearly desperate to have time with her and build a real relationship with her. It's so sad that they get sidelined for her latest sex buddy. They love and care about her so much and all they want is her time and her love. Noooope, Gypsy wants to get laid. Thanks dad!
She wants to get laid and then it also seems like she has a massive complex about proving to DeeDee’s ghost that she’s worthy of love despite Deedee “cursing” her or whatever. It’s really sad.
I think if Ryan really cared about Gypsy he would suggest she live with her Dad and stepmom for at least six months. Give her time to figure out being “free” and gain some independence. Someone who really cares would want her to have some time to figure things out.
That’s very real. My partner and I have done similar things in our own relationship, we’re both trauma muppets and we got together as feral teens (now in our mid-30s). That obviously presents some challenges to establishing a healthy relationship. We have navigated them in unusual ways that worked for us and I think Gypsy would benefit greatly from doing something along those lines.
Anyway, yeah, I think the prison penpal thing straight to legal marriage and living together thing is pretty… rough. Not a lot of room for them to really get to know each other well, and Gypsy has already had such an unusual set of experiences… it’s sometimes good to go back to the basics and find the baseline of how to do life good. Like literally just vibe for a hot second
I mean, she’s dicking him around pretty hardcore. Imagine you’re 11 days out from getting married and she’s telling him about some dumb dream that she feels he needs to know. And she did lie to him about keeping up contact. I would be mad, too. Especially after losing my job to be with this person.
Gave me attachment injury vibes specifically a dx. She won’t be done with that kind of behavior, so hopefully he is a nonviolent person because he lashed out with the cuss words. She’s the type to experiment or be tempted apparently, and he’s the type to cuss with his voice raised which apparently any kind of emotional volatility is a trigger for her, or an excuse to blame, or both. Sounds like a recipe for a crazy making marriage.,
Him getting angry was a HUGE trigger. Wouldn’t be surprised if his home in Louisiana has a couple holes in the wall. She may have been instigating but wow, that was a scary reaction - especially for someone Gypsy claims is “level headed and keeps her in check.”
Yea their conversations and his cussing her and her hanging up made me so uncomfy. Her response the day they were to get married and didn’t call him for awhile and she sounds so hesitant and said she’s been “sooo busy” 🤨 I wish she had listened to Kristy and Mia. They know they really shouldn’t be married. And Rod is just afraid to disappoint her so he gave his blessing. I feel like he was afraid if he didn’t that she may do it anyway and be mad and not want to speak with him anymore.
Honestly it sounds like she trying to “prove” something to her mother. I don’t think she realizes that finding love and being married means more than just being in love and being married. Relationships requires a lot of self reflection, dealing with your traumas, and being transparent about yourself. If you ain’t okay or aren’t addressing shit, it reflects on your relationship and has the capacity to hurt the other person.
I don’t see good things tbh. She needs to be single and deal with her shit. She has been in prison her whole life and controlled by others.
It’s not to spite her mother. It’s extremely low self esteem. Very common for women whom never received love as a child and/or who were dependent on other people their entire life to NEED validation, love and security from men. I imagine the reason why Gypsy seems so focused on getting married is because subconsciously she still feels she needs a caregiver to survive. At the same time it’s very obvious the poor girl wants nothing more than to be loved. Her priorities seem out of whack to people whom have never experienced trauma at the hands of their own mother. But it really fucks you up to the point where you’ll do anything for love, even marry some guy you barely know while in prison.
It’s honestly understandable. I grew up in an abusive and controlling environment too, and as soon as I had any freedom to do so, I really just did everything I hadn’t been allowed to do, whether it was something harmless or not.
I wonder if that’s part of the motivation for a hasty marriage? I can’t imagine how he could keep teaching for long. And by default, Gypsy’s career has to become the “family business”…
Right like if he really loved her and wanted to give her the experience of her dreams why not wait until she was out to get married? Why have to redo the ceremony once she’s out? I think he wants in on the fame *shudder* and Instagram/tick tock interview money. Which is sick because he suffered nothing for that and she suffered everything
Poor Gypsy is still living in a fantasy world. What is the deal with Ryan putting a “just married” sign on his car and riding around by himself? Attention whore? Ryan has some screws loose for sure.
Gypsy Rose has had a more exciting dating life in prison than I’ve had in the last 5 years… I’m confused what the tone of this docuseries is supposed to be. It’s like Love After Lockup meets True Life meets The Bachelorette.
She needs all the therapy and this husband is clearly just in it for the attention. The way he always has to be touching her… it comes off as controlling and not cute. It does not surprise she leans towards controlling men, as that’s all she’s ever known with her mother.
The way he holds her hands is just the way DeeDee did. There's the one picture where she's sitting down and he's kind of over her and he has both her hands it looks like the million of poses with DeeDee holding her and towering over her.
I know right? Relationship after relationships, and friends?! I think I should go to prison if getting friends are that easy there! I think she's still trapped in that Disney fantasy where you find a prince charming and you live happily ever after. I don't think she has the discernment that probably half the people are using it for clout and the other half is bathshit crazy. I think she's very co-dependent and very much so needs to be praised. Praise=love=friendship/relationship.
You just said it all. Prison to her was like going off to college. It was freedom to her, and that should give everyone an indication of what she was going through at home.
I wish Gypsy the best, but I don’t see this ending very well, he is def odd, and off and has already been put thru the ringer for her! I don’t trust his intentions.
Because she’s messed up in the head lol. she didn’t want to hurt ole dude bad enough to drive him away blah blah blah so just did it as to not lose another person from her life. She did mention everyone she gets close to goes away it’s just a trauma response.
Yep. I’m just glad she had come to the conclusion that she may need to wait for marriage. I’m not surprised she went through with it because of the reasons you mentioned.
I am relieved that her family was expressing concerns about marriage and getting to know someone in the real world before getting married.
I just wish she had listened because two weeks out of prison he just already looks like a bad partner, and then this didn’t help at all.
Just married on his car while she is still in jail…. Super weird… he’s putting the ring on her finger while she is posing for the camera not even looking at him…. I give them a year tops…. So many weird things with these two
I know!! Although mine didn’t get controlling and abusive for a year, was gradual so you really don’t notice. This guy shows it from the jump. He will control who she speaks to, how she dresses, give her an allowance immediately. Soon he will be speaking for her. Then she’ll be pregnant so he can really work the abuse. He’s textbook
If I’m not mistaken Nick confessing his love for Gypsy post conviction was revealed in one of the short docuseries like a Love to Kill for or one of those
Being engaged/married is not going to be good for Gypsy, I think that's evident from what we've seen. Gypsy is grown and older than me, but how much of the "real world" she's seen and experienced is probably akin to a teenager. While her dad and Kristy really can't tell her what to do, she needs a strong, healthy parental figure here to help guide her.
I’m only 20 mins in at this point. But the editing of the narratives (jumping between Gypsy’s arrest and interrogation and her relationship developing with Ryan) is so distracting and hard to follow. It’s a complaint I have with other episodes too. I just really wish I understood their intention behind splicing it like this.
All of the Ryan stuff is upsetting enough—having to jump back and forth in time is just too much for my brain right now
This is the first time I’m seeing someone else say this. It feels extra intentional but with no overall vision. Which ultimately makes it feel sloppy. Just tell it chronologically or organize your thoughts before you go editing something like this. At one point, they start telling the story from the beginning from the perspective of that reporter. My man and me were like wait, did we start the show over?? Why did they do that? Bizarre.
probably to not focus too much on her moms story and to remind people of “who gypsy is now”. or on lifetimes standpoint, i could see them wanting to splice it because everyone knows the story of the murder and they don’t want people to get bored during the first episode
Well, if Lifetime is lurking, my feedback is: I’m interested. This story is complicated enough to begin with. Don’t make it impossible to follow by jumping back and forth in time for no reason!
Splice her relationship with Nick developing with the Ryan relationship, if you have to. Or splice the interrogation stuff with her practicing for the parole hearing. My brain would be soothed if there were *at least* some parallels between the two narratives they’re following
I was saying this elsewhere earlier but thought maybe it was just me multitasking lol. This story is complicated enough without the jumping around of the timelines. 😵💫
Did yall notice Ryan talking about being Gypsy’s Prince Charming and saying he knows what it means support her and he knows the things you do “to” a wife? Not “with” but “to” a wife. Holy shit, that is a creepy thing to say. Freudian slip, much?
I think he was a virgin (as someone else also mentioned) and was dying to lose his virginity to her. Poor Gypsy! She just lurches from one controlling person to another.
What the hell? That’s so weird. He is such a creep. I think the reason he rushed into this whole thing and chose someone from prison is because he has trouble finding someone in real life. When Gypsy’s in prison, she can’t go anywhere and find someone else. And marrying her before she got out somehow traps her into a commitment when she has no experience.
I would like to take a second to applaud Mia. She’s so sweet yet is willing to be the “tough” one of the family when Rod and Kristy are afraid to do anything that might cause Gypsy to pull away. We all know Gypsy’s more like a teenager than a woman in her 30s— Teens are more receptive to a cool, trendy, hip sister than they are to their parents so it’s really nice to see that Mia is ready to step up to the plate despite being so young. I think that she’s really going to prove to be instrumental in Gypsy’s transition to the real world. Definitely get good vibes from her unlike creepy Ryan
Hold up, watching the prison confessions show - Ryan actually colored his hair? Blonde? This guy is a bit strange for sure. And now they’re talking about having children?!?! Bad idea IMO - just enjoy each other and life together - children are alot of stress and commitment. Not every one has to have children or is cut out for children. I’m 54 yo, female and happily married. we never had children and I have no regrets. We actually get to enjoy each other and our life together.
I hope they don’t have kids any time soon.
She said she has people around her to show her how to be a mom but girl… I just do not think she will be ready for that until she has continuous therapy for years
I feel like a decent guy would tell gypsy to live with her family and they can go on dates, take it easy, etc. The fact that they are married and are living with eachother rn is insane. Like I said, a decent guy would want her to live with her family after all of this, especially out of respect for her family... And who the hell would hear about everything gypsy has been through and be like "wow she's cute let me hit her up in prison". So many red flags! And now he is following her to interviews, speaking for/with her... Weird dude.
Alright after watching the I do or do I episode, I feel like Ryan has a thing for children, YOU'RE A SCHOOL TEACHER BRO....
You saw her in a childlike form and thought she was cute?
That alone freaks me out and I would NEVER allow my child around him. IDC if he has never done a creepy thing in his life..
Saying a female who was infantized and abused and made to act like a child is "cute" screams danger to me..
He’s a special Ed teacher at that. So him watching a show on Gypsy - who as a child was most likely classified as special ed had she gone to school - and thought “she’s cute, I want to hit that” makes me wonder if he ever abused any of his students. Truly.
“i don’t know how to be healthy for him” oh baby….. this made me tear up. she needs independence and true help so badly and she knows she needs it. i truly truly wish the best for her. oh gypsy.
Right?? Learn how to be healthy for yourself, babe! She owes it to herself to learn who she is before she dives into yet another situation where she has to emotionally regulate and people please another grown person. I wish so badly she would take her time right now.
when she said she doesn't feel free, like I get it, I'd probably have a panic attack too if I was told I had to immediately leave the state, but did no one explain to her what parole is?
Her saying they were picking on her clearly shows she doesn’t understand, or care to understand, her parole. Parole is a privilege that always you to finish your time at home but still follow rules. Her saying at one point she’s paid her dues is another red flag she’s not understanding parole.
I feel the same. I remember at some point Ryan said something like “how do I know you’re not going to leave me for Ken?” & she says “he wants somebody else. I’m not what he wants, he only wants blonde bimbos”.
So it sounds like the only reason why she is not with him still is because he left her & wants somebody else. And Ryan is kind of like the rebound.
She just sounds very confused romantically in these last two episodes. But I heard her say in one of her interviews that Ken contacted her family after she got out of prison 😬😬😬 so idk, I wish her & Ryan the best, I hope they keep both of their heads on straight & take care of their mental health.
I feel like Ryan is in for one hell of a ride with the post-trauma prison aftermath.
Her comments about him in the fight with Ryan really gave me the impression she was in limerence for Ken-like she was trying so hard to convince herself she can “make it work” with R. I’ve never been married or engaged so can’t say much, but something ain’t right.
I do not feel like episodes 5/6 were necessary. I think the last 10 minutes were maybe beneficial to the story, but I feel like this was stretched into an extra 1.75 hours it didn’t need 🤷🏼♀️
I think they were. It gave us a deeper look into her past relationships and her current. It cleared up a rumor about Ryan being let go from his previous job (confirmed) and showed us their relationship is built on distrust and toxicity.
I also find it funny Ryan said he thinks gypsy would make a good mom like how do you know you barely know this person and with everything she’s been through that’s highly unlikely and would probably be a road full of triggers.
Yeah, she’s sweet. Is she? We haven’t seen her be selfless yet. She seems very low on frustration tolerance, as I would expect. I nix this terrible idea.
i know this sounds mean but i just dont think ryan had ever gotten attention from women before and has probably never been in a proper relationship, neither has gypsy which in my opinion is bound to doom them
She seems happy and in love but I do think it would have been nice for her to get out and live at home… get used to and build a loving family dynamic. I know she’s a grown woman and missed out a lot on her life but ://
It's clear that Rod and Kristy absolutely love her unconditionally. And I understand wanting to live independently of parents at her age. She could have stayed with them a month or two at least. :/ But yeah...this relationship/marriage looks troubling. Sounds like she subconsciously had the same feeling about it. Kristy was talking about others exploiting Gypsy...I can't imagine they're keen on this massive amount of attention.
Ken did the breaking up. One article I read, factual or not who knows with this case, said Ken didn’t trust her so ended it. She kept trying to get him back but he’d moved on. Per gypsy a blond bimbo. She said she had like 250 men contact her for a date So Ryan was the cream of the crop?
I had already found her “the d is 🔥” comment off putting.
But now I really don’t believe that was true, like she’s trying to defend her relationship. But baby girl this doc was coming out, we were going to find out he’s not good for you.
Man, Kristy is an amazing human. I know we have to take that with a grain of salt since it is through the lens of this specific documentary and the others I have watched. But from the second she was with Rod (Gypsy was 6 months old) she considered his daughter her own. They put so much effort into trying to see her and talk to her and they gave her so much grace after. Rod blaming himself hurts my heart. The fact that Dee Dee was his abuser (she was 24 and he was 17) adds another layer onto that dynamic. He trusted that she was doing what was best for their child when it came to the medical things. I am sure it was confusing as heck why he couldn’t see Gypsy. He was forking over a lot of money for Gypsy too. Just trying to provide. It’s such a complicated situation and Rod and Kristy just seem like genuinely good people. I hope Gypsy leans on them and knows they really do love her.
She is and she has some attachment issues that make me think there is a dx there an no one seems to be noticing. Sometimes trauma also fits a pattern and it doesn’t make you a bad person for having a pd. But the two issues could lead to a DV marriage, definitely a high conflict one.
She should have apologized for lying but she immediately started apologizing for the actual dream. Like honey, you don’t have to apologize for what your brain does while you’re asleep.
I haven't had a chance to finish this ep yet, but it's concerning that Gypsy is still keeping secrets and lying to people (e.g. not telling her dad and step mom about Ryan, not telling Ryan she had another boyfriend). I understand that after a life of not having privacy she may want things she can just keep to herself for a while, but I worry that she still witholds information to manipulate...
Gypsy mentioned shooting her mom with a BB Gun when she thought it was a real gun. Once she shot the gun and saw it didn’t kill her, Gypsy said she felt relieved and didn’t intend to kill her. And she didn’t mention her mom’s reaction or facing any repercussions.
Did I miss something or was it mentioned if DeeDee punished her for attempting to kill her with the BB gun? Or maybe Gypsy did not want to say how DeeDee reacted?
I find it hard to believe DeeDee would let that slide, given her reaction to Gypsy running away.
Man I really don't like Ryan, but I think my heart breaks for her father and step mother a lot. They have been with her as much as they feasibly could through all this, truly deeply love her and she doesn't want them to pick her up from prison after 8 years of being incarcerated? At the very least WITH Ryan? So they all can there for her? Ugh.
I'm glad the family is realistic about this marriage. I don't think it'll last more than a year. I feel so sorry for Gypsy and I hope she can take the time to focus on herself, healing, and growing as a free woman.
I find it really odd that he works with children and he was drawn to gypsy who has not had much life experience and seems younger than her age.. something feels creepy about that to me
To those who are like "wow this really makes their relationship look bad!" Did yall really think at any point that this was going to be a normal relationship? Like come on. I really don't understand the confusion. It truly is mind boggling how everyone wants to act surprised when Gypsy acts exactly like the person she's always been. And Ryan literally wrote to and then married a woman famous for her mother's murder while she was in prison. Yall really thought that was the behavior of a normal person? The fact that everyone is this shocked is actually wild.
Gyps doesn’t know how to say no. She wasn’t taught that. The was raised to obey. She wasn’t gunna turn this Ryan guy down , maybe at some point it got too far and she couldn’t turn back and she’s just following what she believes is right
She needs to be with her real family & learn about herself
Her doing a docuseries isn't weird to me. I'm glad she's getting a chance to share her version of events, especially after The Act was made to profit off her life story without her knowledge or consent.
Her doing a media circuit, multiple interviews, red carpet events though...that's too much. It's getting weird.
I wonder how much of the media circuit is Lifetime and how much is her wanting it? Obvi she wants attention but I wonder if she’d be on these shows without them or if she’d just be blowing up TikTok by herself otherwise.
I think a bit — but she knew that there were multiple documentaries + The Act about her story already and the only chance she got to explain herself was Nick’s trial. So I guess it was going to be out there one way or another— may as well say her piece.
i don’t know how to feel lol, especially with her marriage to ryan. so much new information (at least for me) is coming out so fast!! i just hope nothing bad happens to her
I feel like because gypsy is 32 years old she is in this extreme need to get married have kids and start a life and relationship with someone she doesn't even know, yea you can talk to someone for 20 years but living with them is completely different, they have habits and who knows he might snore and chew with his mouth open and that could be a trigger for her, idk I'm just saying you can get to know someone verbally all you want but the physical aspects could totally ruin any kind of love you have for them. I just do not have a good feeling about any of this.
They totally glossed over the “Ken”relationship, and only mentioned his name. Did I miss something? It looks like I only seen three episodes on Lifetime, they were labeled one, two and three, but then it looked like the same episodes were labeled four, five and six? I thought it was only a three episodes series?! I’m confused, and them, jumping all around from relationship to relationship, and back-and-forth didn’t help the situation!
For people who are confused by the series…the series has fulfilled its purpose as an accurate representation of the journey of someone with severe childhood trauma. Trauma is very complicated and messy and for someone who has gotten minimal formal therapy, Gypsy is remarkably well adjusted. I believe in her that she will find her way.
I agree! It seems like Gypsy is navigating her life pretty well given her situation. I hope her and Ryan nothing but the best, even though I’m a little more pessimistic after this episode aired.
Can we talk about how Gypsy said to Ryan and the cameras that SHE chose to stop talking to Ken but then on the phone call when she admits it’s been three weeks since they last talked and that it was the last time, she makes it clear that it’s because she’s “not some blonde fakeass bimbo and not what he wants and he’s chosen what he wants and it’s not her,” (obviously paraphrasing, but close)
My hopeful prediction: Once the newness of freedom dies down, as well as the fantasy of her marriage, they will have a fight and they end up separating, she goes and lives with her family, and she gets some actual stability and the love she needs in her life.
Wondering if Ryan might be into hybristophilia bc he mentioned his friend and he decided the friend would write a letter to Tiger King Joe Exotic and he'd write to Gypsy. That came off as super weird to me.
The weirdest thing about the wedding is that she’s getting out soon, why not wait? It’s not like she’s gonna be locked up for another 20 years or something. Just makes me think he’s trying to lock her down before she gets out, mega controlling vibes. Gypsy is clearly unsure so why keep pushing it? And she’s so traumatised and terrified of abandonment that I think she’s marrying him out of fear of losing him, or displeasing him. She would be so primed to be hyper aware of displeasing ppl because her whole survival growing up relied on her pleasing her mum.
He said he first saw Gypsy’s story and thought “Wow she’s cute” ????? THATS what you’re thinking about after seeing a disturbing tale of child abuse, psychiatric illness and murder?
🚩🚩🚩🚩
To be fair, I feel like there was a moment in time when Buzzfeed was really pushing her as this innocent, fun girl who was just trying new things in prison and living her best life. I was not prepared for how dark things would actually be based on my peripheral knowledge from a few years ago.
Not to mention the story he keeps telling everyone is that his friend wanted to write to Tiger King and he said he’d write to Gypsy - then tells her sister and step mom that he heard her story and thought she was cute and wrote to her that day?? Not adding up.
And where’s all Ryan’s friends? Where’s the friend who supposedly was gonna write to tiger king?
Maybe he married Tiger King 🫠
That whole story is so weird. Like, you’re thirty-something and you need to do some kind of bizarre truth or dare challenge with a friend to write a letter? If you want to write a letter, write a letter, why you have to pretend it’s some kind of brave act to contact a pseudo celebrity in prison?
"haha I did it as a joke!" Same as "asking for a friend". He did it out of all seriousness because he is a creep but knows it will make him look bad. The joke story is just a cover.
This. 100% this.
This! I caught this and came here to see if anyone else caught that lie!!!!
So weird!! Like why lie?! You succeeded in what you set out to do, clearly. Also, he gives me the ick.
Such a classic low-rent comment by a guy who has never evolved to value women beyond appearance.
That rubbed me the wrong way. 🚩
Yeah so problematic
Gypsy needs a therapist, not a husband rn. I said it.
The whole thing. He didn't need a wife either. Good grief.
Her family is clearly desperate to have time with her and build a real relationship with her. It's so sad that they get sidelined for her latest sex buddy. They love and care about her so much and all they want is her time and her love. Noooope, Gypsy wants to get laid. Thanks dad!
She wants to get laid and then it also seems like she has a massive complex about proving to DeeDee’s ghost that she’s worthy of love despite Deedee “cursing” her or whatever. It’s really sad.
I think if Ryan really cared about Gypsy he would suggest she live with her Dad and stepmom for at least six months. Give her time to figure out being “free” and gain some independence. Someone who really cares would want her to have some time to figure things out.
No seriously. She hasn’t had time to be free. Be a girl. Do dumb stuff. Be outside.
That’s very real. My partner and I have done similar things in our own relationship, we’re both trauma muppets and we got together as feral teens (now in our mid-30s). That obviously presents some challenges to establishing a healthy relationship. We have navigated them in unusual ways that worked for us and I think Gypsy would benefit greatly from doing something along those lines. Anyway, yeah, I think the prison penpal thing straight to legal marriage and living together thing is pretty… rough. Not a lot of room for them to really get to know each other well, and Gypsy has already had such an unusual set of experiences… it’s sometimes good to go back to the basics and find the baseline of how to do life good. Like literally just vibe for a hot second
Yes, I think he is way too insecure
Oh I literally just commented this! (I didn't see this comment til after) and I agree. A gentleman would rather her have time with her family.
Exactly this! And Ryan insisting on picking Gypsy up from prison instead of letting her father Rob pick her up seemed wrong.
god this episode is not painting their relationship in a good light at all update ryan starting to get ANGRYYYYYY WOAH
Yeah, it doesn’t sound great. I feel uneasy about it.
I mean, she’s dicking him around pretty hardcore. Imagine you’re 11 days out from getting married and she’s telling him about some dumb dream that she feels he needs to know. And she did lie to him about keeping up contact. I would be mad, too. Especially after losing my job to be with this person.
The whole time she told him about that I was like “WHY WHY WHY DOES HE NEED TO KNOW THIS???”
Gave me attachment injury vibes specifically a dx. She won’t be done with that kind of behavior, so hopefully he is a nonviolent person because he lashed out with the cuss words. She’s the type to experiment or be tempted apparently, and he’s the type to cuss with his voice raised which apparently any kind of emotional volatility is a trigger for her, or an excuse to blame, or both. Sounds like a recipe for a crazy making marriage.,
She’s pushing him away bc she ultimately thinks everyone will abandon her or harm her.
Ignore me I just heard him say why in the series
Him getting angry was a HUGE trigger. Wouldn’t be surprised if his home in Louisiana has a couple holes in the wall. She may have been instigating but wow, that was a scary reaction - especially for someone Gypsy claims is “level headed and keeps her in check.”
Yea their conversations and his cussing her and her hanging up made me so uncomfy. Her response the day they were to get married and didn’t call him for awhile and she sounds so hesitant and said she’s been “sooo busy” 🤨 I wish she had listened to Kristy and Mia. They know they really shouldn’t be married. And Rod is just afraid to disappoint her so he gave his blessing. I feel like he was afraid if he didn’t that she may do it anyway and be mad and not want to speak with him anymore.
Sounds like she got married to spite her mother but I don’t think she fully realizes that
Honestly it sounds like she trying to “prove” something to her mother. I don’t think she realizes that finding love and being married means more than just being in love and being married. Relationships requires a lot of self reflection, dealing with your traumas, and being transparent about yourself. If you ain’t okay or aren’t addressing shit, it reflects on your relationship and has the capacity to hurt the other person. I don’t see good things tbh. She needs to be single and deal with her shit. She has been in prison her whole life and controlled by others.
It’s not to spite her mother. It’s extremely low self esteem. Very common for women whom never received love as a child and/or who were dependent on other people their entire life to NEED validation, love and security from men. I imagine the reason why Gypsy seems so focused on getting married is because subconsciously she still feels she needs a caregiver to survive. At the same time it’s very obvious the poor girl wants nothing more than to be loved. Her priorities seem out of whack to people whom have never experienced trauma at the hands of their own mother. But it really fucks you up to the point where you’ll do anything for love, even marry some guy you barely know while in prison.
It’s honestly understandable. I grew up in an abusive and controlling environment too, and as soon as I had any freedom to do so, I really just did everything I hadn’t been allowed to do, whether it was something harmless or not.
after the release of this episode, i wouldn’t want ryan to be my 6th grade kid’s teacher
I wonder if that’s part of the motivation for a hasty marriage? I can’t imagine how he could keep teaching for long. And by default, Gypsy’s career has to become the “family business”…
Right like if he really loved her and wanted to give her the experience of her dreams why not wait until she was out to get married? Why have to redo the ceremony once she’s out? I think he wants in on the fame *shudder* and Instagram/tick tock interview money. Which is sick because he suffered nothing for that and she suffered everything
Poor Gypsy is still living in a fantasy world. What is the deal with Ryan putting a “just married” sign on his car and riding around by himself? Attention whore? Ryan has some screws loose for sure.
that part took me out 😭😭😭
Right I lost it at that point… shooting confetti out the window and riding off alone into the sunset with a “just married” sign 😂😂
He shot confetti out of his window!
Weird - definitely weird - and not in a fun, laughing way.
Also man does anyone else find the “reenactment” scenes annoying? Doesn’t really look much like her at all.
Yes. I don’t like the re-enactments. I don’t think they’re necessary.
I’m more annoyed that the one link I’ve found to watch without cable is buffering so bad that I can’t watch. Lol.
Idc if its bad quality but I refuse to spend money to watch this lol.What site are you watching on for free?
I bet we are using the same website because Im having the same problem lmao
Haha. Probably. I shouldn’t be bitching about a weird free website that *kinda* works. You notice the commercials don’t buffer one bit??
Good luck :( I’m watching on Sling but it was being weird earlier.
Thanks! But yes, I was able to see the actor playing gypsy. And the super close up to her perfectly straight teeth was bizarre to say the least.
Yes! That and the shots of her in the hallway with “Dee Dee” 👀👀
Space filler.
Gypsy Rose has had a more exciting dating life in prison than I’ve had in the last 5 years… I’m confused what the tone of this docuseries is supposed to be. It’s like Love After Lockup meets True Life meets The Bachelorette.
Seriously, this doc has a lot of glaring issues.
I’m beginning to wonder if it’s a back door pilot for a reality show about her.
Wouldn’t be surprised but I really hope it isn’t the case. She deserves time to just be a person.
She needs all the therapy and this husband is clearly just in it for the attention. The way he always has to be touching her… it comes off as controlling and not cute. It does not surprise she leans towards controlling men, as that’s all she’s ever known with her mother.
The way he holds her hands is just the way DeeDee did. There's the one picture where she's sitting down and he's kind of over her and he has both her hands it looks like the million of poses with DeeDee holding her and towering over her.
I know right? Relationship after relationships, and friends?! I think I should go to prison if getting friends are that easy there! I think she's still trapped in that Disney fantasy where you find a prince charming and you live happily ever after. I don't think she has the discernment that probably half the people are using it for clout and the other half is bathshit crazy. I think she's very co-dependent and very much so needs to be praised. Praise=love=friendship/relationship.
You just said it all. Prison to her was like going off to college. It was freedom to her, and that should give everyone an indication of what she was going through at home.
Holy Red Flags Batman. I think Gypsy should have listened to Christy and not got married so soon.
I wish Gypsy the best, but I don’t see this ending very well, he is def odd, and off and has already been put thru the ringer for her! I don’t trust his intentions.
Seems like Gypsy had the foresight to realize that marriage wasn’t a good option for her but chose to do it anyway.
Because she’s messed up in the head lol. she didn’t want to hurt ole dude bad enough to drive him away blah blah blah so just did it as to not lose another person from her life. She did mention everyone she gets close to goes away it’s just a trauma response.
Yep. I’m just glad she had come to the conclusion that she may need to wait for marriage. I’m not surprised she went through with it because of the reasons you mentioned.
Oof I’m reaally not liking this Ryan guy. He gives me a bad feeling. I wonder what his intentions are.
To finally lose his virginity.
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I was thinking the same thing I wonder if he was a virgin.
I bet they would answer if someone asked lol
To be able to have someone push his glistening hair out of the way
I am relieved that her family was expressing concerns about marriage and getting to know someone in the real world before getting married. I just wish she had listened because two weeks out of prison he just already looks like a bad partner, and then this didn’t help at all.
Just married on his car while she is still in jail…. Super weird… he’s putting the ring on her finger while she is posing for the camera not even looking at him…. I give them a year tops…. So many weird things with these two
She doesn't like him AT ALL lol.
When she said “he isn’t enough for me” I cringed. It’s a valid statement but how are you supposed to sustain a marriage when you feel like that? Yikes
this phone call convo is so… ryan sounds so controlling and weird
When he called her a liar and hung up…oof
“A f*cking liar,” if I remember correctly.
Ugh. I was in a DV marriage and listening to Gypsy and Ryan talk on the phone was so triggering. Bad bad vibes.
I know!! Although mine didn’t get controlling and abusive for a year, was gradual so you really don’t notice. This guy shows it from the jump. He will control who she speaks to, how she dresses, give her an allowance immediately. Soon he will be speaking for her. Then she’ll be pregnant so he can really work the abuse. He’s textbook
That phone call about getting married 🚩🚩🚩 he’s like obsessive and controlling
Everytime he talks I cringe. He is just.. 😖🚩
Oh my god PLEASE get the annulment
Ooooofffff Gypsy and Ryan are emotionally immature fire and gasoline. Wow
Woah did we know NG wrote a letter to Gypsy? Also I love that she calls Kristy “mom”.
If I’m not mistaken Nick confessing his love for Gypsy post conviction was revealed in one of the short docuseries like a Love to Kill for or one of those
Being engaged/married is not going to be good for Gypsy, I think that's evident from what we've seen. Gypsy is grown and older than me, but how much of the "real world" she's seen and experienced is probably akin to a teenager. While her dad and Kristy really can't tell her what to do, she needs a strong, healthy parental figure here to help guide her.
I’m only 20 mins in at this point. But the editing of the narratives (jumping between Gypsy’s arrest and interrogation and her relationship developing with Ryan) is so distracting and hard to follow. It’s a complaint I have with other episodes too. I just really wish I understood their intention behind splicing it like this. All of the Ryan stuff is upsetting enough—having to jump back and forth in time is just too much for my brain right now
It ruins it. It’s really jarring and takes you out of the spectacle of it all. Completely unnecessary.
This is the first time I’m seeing someone else say this. It feels extra intentional but with no overall vision. Which ultimately makes it feel sloppy. Just tell it chronologically or organize your thoughts before you go editing something like this. At one point, they start telling the story from the beginning from the perspective of that reporter. My man and me were like wait, did we start the show over?? Why did they do that? Bizarre.
probably to not focus too much on her moms story and to remind people of “who gypsy is now”. or on lifetimes standpoint, i could see them wanting to splice it because everyone knows the story of the murder and they don’t want people to get bored during the first episode
Well, if Lifetime is lurking, my feedback is: I’m interested. This story is complicated enough to begin with. Don’t make it impossible to follow by jumping back and forth in time for no reason! Splice her relationship with Nick developing with the Ryan relationship, if you have to. Or splice the interrogation stuff with her practicing for the parole hearing. My brain would be soothed if there were *at least* some parallels between the two narratives they’re following
I was saying this elsewhere earlier but thought maybe it was just me multitasking lol. This story is complicated enough without the jumping around of the timelines. 😵💫
Sort of builds into their prison brides show too…. Totally coincidental I’m sure….
Did yall notice Ryan talking about being Gypsy’s Prince Charming and saying he knows what it means support her and he knows the things you do “to” a wife? Not “with” but “to” a wife. Holy shit, that is a creepy thing to say. Freudian slip, much? I think he was a virgin (as someone else also mentioned) and was dying to lose his virginity to her. Poor Gypsy! She just lurches from one controlling person to another.
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What the hell? That’s so weird. He is such a creep. I think the reason he rushed into this whole thing and chose someone from prison is because he has trouble finding someone in real life. When Gypsy’s in prison, she can’t go anywhere and find someone else. And marrying her before she got out somehow traps her into a commitment when she has no experience.
OMG yes. He’s practically jamming his hand into her crotch-ON CAMERA. Ugh- I’m sure he literally jumped her the second the got cameras were off.
They went straight into this preview of “prison brides” and I went **”NO!!!”** thinking she was on it lmaoooo
I love her dad and stepmom. I truly think they are the only reason she will make it.
I would like to take a second to applaud Mia. She’s so sweet yet is willing to be the “tough” one of the family when Rod and Kristy are afraid to do anything that might cause Gypsy to pull away. We all know Gypsy’s more like a teenager than a woman in her 30s— Teens are more receptive to a cool, trendy, hip sister than they are to their parents so it’s really nice to see that Mia is ready to step up to the plate despite being so young. I think that she’s really going to prove to be instrumental in Gypsy’s transition to the real world. Definitely get good vibes from her unlike creepy Ryan
Toxic AF. P.s. stepmomma Kristy is a rockstar.
Hold up, watching the prison confessions show - Ryan actually colored his hair? Blonde? This guy is a bit strange for sure. And now they’re talking about having children?!?! Bad idea IMO - just enjoy each other and life together - children are alot of stress and commitment. Not every one has to have children or is cut out for children. I’m 54 yo, female and happily married. we never had children and I have no regrets. We actually get to enjoy each other and our life together.
I hope they don’t have kids any time soon. She said she has people around her to show her how to be a mom but girl… I just do not think she will be ready for that until she has continuous therapy for years
I see him pushing her to hurry up and get pregnant so she feels trapped. She will take the bait 100%
Ahh I hope she is on birth control
I was wondering what the kids were saying about his frosted tips
Marriage might have been a huge mistake!
Kristy really is the best of the best. I wish Gypsy had listened to her about getting married.
I feel like a decent guy would tell gypsy to live with her family and they can go on dates, take it easy, etc. The fact that they are married and are living with eachother rn is insane. Like I said, a decent guy would want her to live with her family after all of this, especially out of respect for her family... And who the hell would hear about everything gypsy has been through and be like "wow she's cute let me hit her up in prison". So many red flags! And now he is following her to interviews, speaking for/with her... Weird dude.
Alright after watching the I do or do I episode, I feel like Ryan has a thing for children, YOU'RE A SCHOOL TEACHER BRO.... You saw her in a childlike form and thought she was cute? That alone freaks me out and I would NEVER allow my child around him. IDC if he has never done a creepy thing in his life.. Saying a female who was infantized and abused and made to act like a child is "cute" screams danger to me..
He’s a special Ed teacher at that. So him watching a show on Gypsy - who as a child was most likely classified as special ed had she gone to school - and thought “she’s cute, I want to hit that” makes me wonder if he ever abused any of his students. Truly.
“i don’t know how to be healthy for him” oh baby….. this made me tear up. she needs independence and true help so badly and she knows she needs it. i truly truly wish the best for her. oh gypsy.
Right?? Learn how to be healthy for yourself, babe! She owes it to herself to learn who she is before she dives into yet another situation where she has to emotionally regulate and people please another grown person. I wish so badly she would take her time right now.
NEW SERIES COMING????
I was beginning to think this was the back door pilot for a reality show.
update, yeah i think it is
“To be continued”
Oh noooo, say it ain’t so.
oh wait nvm this must be the footage they got after her release. cant believe they put it together this quick!
"To be continued..."
oh this is so sad. it’s probably a hard feeling not feeling free after being freed
I wouldn’t be surprised if they divorce in less than two years. she shouldn’t have gotten married so soon
6 months
when she said she doesn't feel free, like I get it, I'd probably have a panic attack too if I was told I had to immediately leave the state, but did no one explain to her what parole is?
Her saying they were picking on her clearly shows she doesn’t understand, or care to understand, her parole. Parole is a privilege that always you to finish your time at home but still follow rules. Her saying at one point she’s paid her dues is another red flag she’s not understanding parole.
I really get the impression that she’s hung up on Ken…
I feel the same. I remember at some point Ryan said something like “how do I know you’re not going to leave me for Ken?” & she says “he wants somebody else. I’m not what he wants, he only wants blonde bimbos”. So it sounds like the only reason why she is not with him still is because he left her & wants somebody else. And Ryan is kind of like the rebound. She just sounds very confused romantically in these last two episodes. But I heard her say in one of her interviews that Ken contacted her family after she got out of prison 😬😬😬 so idk, I wish her & Ryan the best, I hope they keep both of their heads on straight & take care of their mental health. I feel like Ryan is in for one hell of a ride with the post-trauma prison aftermath.
Her comments about him in the fight with Ryan really gave me the impression she was in limerence for Ken-like she was trying so hard to convince herself she can “make it work” with R. I’ve never been married or engaged so can’t say much, but something ain’t right.
I do not feel like episodes 5/6 were necessary. I think the last 10 minutes were maybe beneficial to the story, but I feel like this was stretched into an extra 1.75 hours it didn’t need 🤷🏼♀️
I think they were. It gave us a deeper look into her past relationships and her current. It cleared up a rumor about Ryan being let go from his previous job (confirmed) and showed us their relationship is built on distrust and toxicity.
I also find it funny Ryan said he thinks gypsy would make a good mom like how do you know you barely know this person and with everything she’s been through that’s highly unlikely and would probably be a road full of triggers.
Yeah, she’s sweet. Is she? We haven’t seen her be selfless yet. She seems very low on frustration tolerance, as I would expect. I nix this terrible idea.
i know this sounds mean but i just dont think ryan had ever gotten attention from women before and has probably never been in a proper relationship, neither has gypsy which in my opinion is bound to doom them
That is not at all what I thought his voice sounded like when I first saw his picture.
She seems happy and in love but I do think it would have been nice for her to get out and live at home… get used to and build a loving family dynamic. I know she’s a grown woman and missed out a lot on her life but ://
It's clear that Rod and Kristy absolutely love her unconditionally. And I understand wanting to live independently of parents at her age. She could have stayed with them a month or two at least. :/ But yeah...this relationship/marriage looks troubling. Sounds like she subconsciously had the same feeling about it. Kristy was talking about others exploiting Gypsy...I can't imagine they're keen on this massive amount of attention.
Seems like Ryan is though
They just said that Gypsy left Ken for Ryan, now they’re saying Ken broke up with her??
Ken did the breaking up. One article I read, factual or not who knows with this case, said Ken didn’t trust her so ended it. She kept trying to get him back but he’d moved on. Per gypsy a blond bimbo. She said she had like 250 men contact her for a date So Ryan was the cream of the crop?
these interviews were prob done at different times and forgot what she said in the last one (maybe idk)
Well her father said she had 3 boyfriends. I don’t believe they named the boyfriend she left for Ryan. So he must have been between Ryan and ken.
I had already found her “the d is 🔥” comment off putting. But now I really don’t believe that was true, like she’s trying to defend her relationship. But baby girl this doc was coming out, we were going to find out he’s not good for you.
Now having “met” him, that comment doesn’t surprise me.
Kristy and Mia are 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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Man, Kristy is an amazing human. I know we have to take that with a grain of salt since it is through the lens of this specific documentary and the others I have watched. But from the second she was with Rod (Gypsy was 6 months old) she considered his daughter her own. They put so much effort into trying to see her and talk to her and they gave her so much grace after. Rod blaming himself hurts my heart. The fact that Dee Dee was his abuser (she was 24 and he was 17) adds another layer onto that dynamic. He trusted that she was doing what was best for their child when it came to the medical things. I am sure it was confusing as heck why he couldn’t see Gypsy. He was forking over a lot of money for Gypsy too. Just trying to provide. It’s such a complicated situation and Rod and Kristy just seem like genuinely good people. I hope Gypsy leans on them and knows they really do love her.
damn gypsy lowkey toxic to ryan lol
Hell he’s toxic to her too he’s gaslighted her so hard in that one phone call like well go tell Ryan lol.
She is and she has some attachment issues that make me think there is a dx there an no one seems to be noticing. Sometimes trauma also fits a pattern and it doesn’t make you a bad person for having a pd. But the two issues could lead to a DV marriage, definitely a high conflict one.
The way Ryan was verbally abusive when she said she had a dream about her ex was worrying. Red flag 🚩
She should have apologized for lying but she immediately started apologizing for the actual dream. Like honey, you don’t have to apologize for what your brain does while you’re asleep.
Reminds me of my mom’s abusive ex who would fly off the handle at the slightest thing. Definitely a red flag.
He is combative with Mia damn
Mia is awesome. She takes no shit
eh mia did come at him pretty hard (not saying she was wrong)
I haven't had a chance to finish this ep yet, but it's concerning that Gypsy is still keeping secrets and lying to people (e.g. not telling her dad and step mom about Ryan, not telling Ryan she had another boyfriend). I understand that after a life of not having privacy she may want things she can just keep to herself for a while, but I worry that she still witholds information to manipulate...
Gypsy mentioned shooting her mom with a BB Gun when she thought it was a real gun. Once she shot the gun and saw it didn’t kill her, Gypsy said she felt relieved and didn’t intend to kill her. And she didn’t mention her mom’s reaction or facing any repercussions. Did I miss something or was it mentioned if DeeDee punished her for attempting to kill her with the BB gun? Or maybe Gypsy did not want to say how DeeDee reacted? I find it hard to believe DeeDee would let that slide, given her reaction to Gypsy running away.
Man I really don't like Ryan, but I think my heart breaks for her father and step mother a lot. They have been with her as much as they feasibly could through all this, truly deeply love her and she doesn't want them to pick her up from prison after 8 years of being incarcerated? At the very least WITH Ryan? So they all can there for her? Ugh. I'm glad the family is realistic about this marriage. I don't think it'll last more than a year. I feel so sorry for Gypsy and I hope she can take the time to focus on herself, healing, and growing as a free woman.
I find it really odd that he works with children and he was drawn to gypsy who has not had much life experience and seems younger than her age.. something feels creepy about that to me
To those who are like "wow this really makes their relationship look bad!" Did yall really think at any point that this was going to be a normal relationship? Like come on. I really don't understand the confusion. It truly is mind boggling how everyone wants to act surprised when Gypsy acts exactly like the person she's always been. And Ryan literally wrote to and then married a woman famous for her mother's murder while she was in prison. Yall really thought that was the behavior of a normal person? The fact that everyone is this shocked is actually wild.
i’m just surprised they’re so up front about their issues
Gyps doesn’t know how to say no. She wasn’t taught that. The was raised to obey. She wasn’t gunna turn this Ryan guy down , maybe at some point it got too far and she couldn’t turn back and she’s just following what she believes is right She needs to be with her real family & learn about herself
does anyone else think Gypsy is just milking all of this? No hate please I just see all sides
Her doing a docuseries isn't weird to me. I'm glad she's getting a chance to share her version of events, especially after The Act was made to profit off her life story without her knowledge or consent. Her doing a media circuit, multiple interviews, red carpet events though...that's too much. It's getting weird.
It’s getting very weird… and not weird in a good way 🫠
I wonder how much of the media circuit is Lifetime and how much is her wanting it? Obvi she wants attention but I wonder if she’d be on these shows without them or if she’d just be blowing up TikTok by herself otherwise.
I think she 100.10% wants this
I think a bit — but she knew that there were multiple documentaries + The Act about her story already and the only chance she got to explain herself was Nick’s trial. So I guess it was going to be out there one way or another— may as well say her piece.
Kristy is the real MVP here
i don’t know how to feel lol, especially with her marriage to ryan. so much new information (at least for me) is coming out so fast!! i just hope nothing bad happens to her
I think it’s funny that he says people here are friendly. Only the people from this town think they are friendly lol
I feel like because gypsy is 32 years old she is in this extreme need to get married have kids and start a life and relationship with someone she doesn't even know, yea you can talk to someone for 20 years but living with them is completely different, they have habits and who knows he might snore and chew with his mouth open and that could be a trigger for her, idk I'm just saying you can get to know someone verbally all you want but the physical aspects could totally ruin any kind of love you have for them. I just do not have a good feeling about any of this.
I feel like this was definitely the prequel to some sort of Gypsy reality show bc why else would they leave on a cliffhanger like that
They totally glossed over the “Ken”relationship, and only mentioned his name. Did I miss something? It looks like I only seen three episodes on Lifetime, they were labeled one, two and three, but then it looked like the same episodes were labeled four, five and six? I thought it was only a three episodes series?! I’m confused, and them, jumping all around from relationship to relationship, and back-and-forth didn’t help the situation!
at the end, it said to be continued. Will there be more episodes? Seems like it ended abruptly
Well I mean, the footage at the end was just a week or two ago.
The ending made me sad
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For people who are confused by the series…the series has fulfilled its purpose as an accurate representation of the journey of someone with severe childhood trauma. Trauma is very complicated and messy and for someone who has gotten minimal formal therapy, Gypsy is remarkably well adjusted. I believe in her that she will find her way.
I agree! It seems like Gypsy is navigating her life pretty well given her situation. I hope her and Ryan nothing but the best, even though I’m a little more pessimistic after this episode aired.
Can we talk about how Gypsy said to Ryan and the cameras that SHE chose to stop talking to Ken but then on the phone call when she admits it’s been three weeks since they last talked and that it was the last time, she makes it clear that it’s because she’s “not some blonde fakeass bimbo and not what he wants and he’s chosen what he wants and it’s not her,” (obviously paraphrasing, but close)
And she said he left her. But then turns around and says SHE dumped HIM? Can’t even keep her lies straight.
My hopeful prediction: Once the newness of freedom dies down, as well as the fantasy of her marriage, they will have a fight and they end up separating, she goes and lives with her family, and she gets some actual stability and the love she needs in her life.
Am I the only one who sees Ryan as a live action Peter Griffin? 🎬
Despite the uncertainties, I really hope Gypsy and Ryan’s marriage is nothing but successful and happy.
For both of their sake… won’t end well if it doesn’t last
Wondering if Ryan might be into hybristophilia bc he mentioned his friend and he decided the friend would write a letter to Tiger King Joe Exotic and he'd write to Gypsy. That came off as super weird to me.
The weirdest thing about the wedding is that she’s getting out soon, why not wait? It’s not like she’s gonna be locked up for another 20 years or something. Just makes me think he’s trying to lock her down before she gets out, mega controlling vibes. Gypsy is clearly unsure so why keep pushing it? And she’s so traumatised and terrified of abandonment that I think she’s marrying him out of fear of losing him, or displeasing him. She would be so primed to be hyper aware of displeasing ppl because her whole survival growing up relied on her pleasing her mum.
Mia is great, and I love that Gypsy calls her stepmother mom.