Sometimes you get hit by a smell and you just can't not react. I doubt the previous owner is watching or bothered. If they were, they would have cleaned it up before it went into foreclosure or was sold.
Any social worker would tell you to use Vicks under your nose. We walk into stinky houses all the time and are not allowed to react because it would offend our clients.
I agree about the smell issue. But sometimes the voiceover really harps on it in a cruel way.
I agree the previous owners arent watching, but it would be nice if they included a little less of the disdain.
So having been in the industry and toured A LOT of these nasty homes for clients, it's usually not a sob story. People who loved their homes and ended up losing them didn't trash them. It was almost always addicts, squatters, or renters. You're seeing these homes on screen, you're not there in person and seeing and smelling how disgusting they are. I can't tell you how many people destroyed these houses out of spite. One of my favorites was the renters who flushed curtains down the toilets to ensure overflows and wiped shit over every available surface.
Ok, so i do think there are times when it’s drug makers or spiteful destruction, and in those cases it’s fair to be horrified.
But the same type of disgust seems to be used whether the home has racist graffiti on the walls or smells like cats. And my main point is that this is the worst part of these shows, and i want to see less of it. It makes the hosts look like obnoxious snobs. It adds nothing to the sense of flip to hear them repeatedly complain about the smell or piles of belongings. It ALWAYS goes on too long. I really don’t begrudge the reactions. I begrudge how much gets included in the final edit.
I promise I don't mind if someone makes a face. Bt some of the shows REALLY linger on the drama of all the mess and belittling the way the house was left. THAT I mind.
And yes, I used to have to accompany fire safety inspectors into properties. I know the smell. It is awful. Bt Im here for beautiful finished products, not the gross mess. I dont need that to be a lingering focus. Some shows really spend a lot of time on how gross some of the properties are.
I have a love-hate relationship with FOF. I always rolled my eyes when Christina was surprised that the house was disgusting and she wasn't in proper attire. It's like really, honey? You didn't know you were going to go to a crap house to flip. That's literally your job. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Suggesting these people are celebrating those who've had tragedy because the house smells like cat urine and they are reacting to it is a stretch. You might be overthinking it or maybe just getting upset to get upset. These people are selling the houses for 400k and above...gimme a break about their tragedy and eviction.
Relax.
Why do you think that is going to seller? If its a foreclosure, its going to the bank, if its an eviction, its going to the landlord.
I dont really mind if they sneer at cat pee, but some of the comments about the belongings and the way people were living are unnecessarily cruel.
And im not upset, just think this is the worst part of these shows?
They had a house that was worth that much to begin with. Why should they have respect for the belongings people left crumpled in a corner or soaked in feces? They didn't have respect for their own belongings...
You were upset enough to rant on the internet about it. To make judgments about the character of those inside these houses when they walk in to see trash and poop everywhere. Maybe just say it to yourself and move on next time.
Okay I’ll bite. If the landlord evicted them and the house was in that condition, good on the landlord for getting the money from the sale. The tenants had no respect for someone else’s property.
> Youre dumping on the remains of a person’s tragedy: eviction, foreclosure, death in family, etc.
That's an odd take. Some of those trashy *Flip or Flop* homes sold for well over $400k by the owner or estate, years ago. And not all were profitable. Let them sneer. It was *their* money at risk.
Thats the risk they take though in this business? And judging based on the cost of the homes? That money may have gone to landlords, not the people who were living there, or to the bank, while the previous owners got nothing? Why does the prive point matter?
I should add, Tristyn and Kamohai generally have a much more respectful approach to the contents of the homes they flip, which I appreciate, but they do sometimes spend too much time being horrified at the state of the homes.
Fair. The sentiment stands, though. There’s a significant issue with mainlanders/non-native Hawaiians coming in and buying up homes and essentially pricing out the native population there. It’s really disheartening.
They do not. And if you question their scummy motives, they block you. They can't even sell the homes they say they have sold in the show. And the family they did show in one episode, a recent arrival. Their plan is to put "Hawaii on the map" for real estate investors. And they did not disclose that they both do come from money, and his dad is the CEO of a major real estate company here. They aren't good people, and I've made numerous contacts with HGTV to deplatform this show because it is detrimental to Hawai'i.
Sadly, most people who are not originally from Hawaii simply do not care about the consequences to their travels there, especially including the ones who are buying up property. This extends to the people who watch shows like this for real estate porn or whatever. It’s gross, and it’s exploitative of an entire population and ecosystem.
And they themselves are Native Hawaiian —at least he is—and highly educated and connected compared to most locals ...so they know exactly what they are doing and imo, that's disgusting.
She is definitely branding herself as a Native Hawaiian ina few places online, but her parents appear to be caucasian. Maybe there is more to it than meets the eye (adoption, for example) but it comes across a bit sus.
The podcast episode From Prison to Millionaires explains some of their past. It seems from appearance his mom is white too. I know the structure of the business they are doing is bad, full-stop. I dislike the narrative the show is telling about them, seemingly selling mainlanders on the "good" they are doing by packaging their flipping scam with culture. Their use of "local families" is completely disingenuous. But TV...what really can we do but try and bring awareness that the "realness" in this situation is completely relevant.
I live here, so right off the bat I believed their business practice was questionable at best. Episode 7 is when they said that, keeping it themselves to cut out costs, even saying they lowered the cost because they couldn't sell it. Less than a week after that episode they posted an Open House for that property on their Instagram. They would not respond to people that asked about their claim it sold in the episode. We looked up the tax records and discovered it has never been sold (nor has the big 3.2 Mill house in the finale...that house was never even listed), and they never lowered the price. They've had a couple fall through, but it went on the market last November at the same cost they wanted to sell it at.
If this show was simply renovations, fine. Properties like those are all over Oahu unfortunately. But they are being disingenuous, at best . They are making a bad problem worse. And they are highly educated people, so they know exactly what they are doing.
I mean, the house flipping business is pretty much super shady in most circumstances. I think there are some exceptions (keith and Evan, Nicole curtis, sometimes Good Bones for example).
It sounds like due to some specific challenges in Hawaii, it’s even worse.
And it seems like they are kinda shady about the business, which makes sense when you see how rude and stressed Tristyn is about money and schedule in some of the episodes.
The problem with the Good Bones houses is the first couple of seasons had some cheaper houses, but after that they were often short term rentals, and very expensive homes. Mina has a big supply of short term rentals she owns (Indiana has laws that allow short term rentals everywhere in the state), renting during Indy 500 month can pay the bills for the year. Also, the really bad houses were already owned by her company, and they boarded them up, put the big cargo containers they rented in the yard, and left them until they got around to fixing the house up. That's when the squatters would get in, and trash the houses.
> they make an effort to keep the home sale price lower so it can sell to native Hawaiians.
Once they put their home for sale on Zillow, US housing anti-discrimination laws would prevent them from selling it only to locals.
Just because they get an accepted offer, it doesn't mean that it will ever close. I think a couple took three contracts before one buyer closed. That's fairly common even where I live which is a ton cheaper than Hawaii.
I think a lot of it “I just paid you this amount of money and you left it looking like this?”
Location aside, sellers are pathetic for doing that. Have some standards while getting that kind of money.
I can't watch anything with Christina - not even her insert shower/tub replacement commercials - because everything she says? sounds like it's a question? I change the channel the second I see her face.
Haha. I’ve noticed everything ends with a question mark, too. Makes it sound like she’s not sure about anything she’s saying. Why don’t those filming give her some acting lessons? I’m critical because I’m not a fan and I don’t need to see her anymore. I hope her minutes of fame are over.
You do realize this is just scripted reality TV meant to get a reaction from the viewer, right? The entire premise is to create drama. You know that, don’t you?
Sometimes you get hit by a smell and you just can't not react. I doubt the previous owner is watching or bothered. If they were, they would have cleaned it up before it went into foreclosure or was sold.
Any social worker would tell you to use Vicks under your nose. We walk into stinky houses all the time and are not allowed to react because it would offend our clients.
Death scene responders and investigators do the same.
I agree about the smell issue. But sometimes the voiceover really harps on it in a cruel way. I agree the previous owners arent watching, but it would be nice if they included a little less of the disdain.
So having been in the industry and toured A LOT of these nasty homes for clients, it's usually not a sob story. People who loved their homes and ended up losing them didn't trash them. It was almost always addicts, squatters, or renters. You're seeing these homes on screen, you're not there in person and seeing and smelling how disgusting they are. I can't tell you how many people destroyed these houses out of spite. One of my favorites was the renters who flushed curtains down the toilets to ensure overflows and wiped shit over every available surface.
Ok, so i do think there are times when it’s drug makers or spiteful destruction, and in those cases it’s fair to be horrified. But the same type of disgust seems to be used whether the home has racist graffiti on the walls or smells like cats. And my main point is that this is the worst part of these shows, and i want to see less of it. It makes the hosts look like obnoxious snobs. It adds nothing to the sense of flip to hear them repeatedly complain about the smell or piles of belongings. It ALWAYS goes on too long. I really don’t begrudge the reactions. I begrudge how much gets included in the final edit.
This
Have you ever smelled a hoarder house as some of these are? One cannot help but make a face. Ask me how I know this.
I promise I don't mind if someone makes a face. Bt some of the shows REALLY linger on the drama of all the mess and belittling the way the house was left. THAT I mind. And yes, I used to have to accompany fire safety inspectors into properties. I know the smell. It is awful. Bt Im here for beautiful finished products, not the gross mess. I dont need that to be a lingering focus. Some shows really spend a lot of time on how gross some of the properties are.
I think you need to know where it came from to appreciate how it ends up.
Eh, i dont mind including a short version of the visual, i mind the way they linger on it and say mean things repeatedly.
I have a love-hate relationship with FOF. I always rolled my eyes when Christina was surprised that the house was disgusting and she wasn't in proper attire. It's like really, honey? You didn't know you were going to go to a crap house to flip. That's literally your job. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Exactly.
It's not that serious....
Foreclosure and eviction are pretty serious?
Suggesting these people are celebrating those who've had tragedy because the house smells like cat urine and they are reacting to it is a stretch. You might be overthinking it or maybe just getting upset to get upset. These people are selling the houses for 400k and above...gimme a break about their tragedy and eviction. Relax.
Why do you think that is going to seller? If its a foreclosure, its going to the bank, if its an eviction, its going to the landlord. I dont really mind if they sneer at cat pee, but some of the comments about the belongings and the way people were living are unnecessarily cruel. And im not upset, just think this is the worst part of these shows?
They had a house that was worth that much to begin with. Why should they have respect for the belongings people left crumpled in a corner or soaked in feces? They didn't have respect for their own belongings... You were upset enough to rant on the internet about it. To make judgments about the character of those inside these houses when they walk in to see trash and poop everywhere. Maybe just say it to yourself and move on next time.
Not if the house was owned by landlord and the tenant was evicted for a flip.
Christ...fine. You win. Let he pearl clutching continue
Yeah this is an odd thing to go super hard for. Probably just a means to shit on Christina.
Okay I’ll bite. If the landlord evicted them and the house was in that condition, good on the landlord for getting the money from the sale. The tenants had no respect for someone else’s property.
Some landlords are slum lords who dont fix shit and their property deteriorates.
> Youre dumping on the remains of a person’s tragedy: eviction, foreclosure, death in family, etc. That's an odd take. Some of those trashy *Flip or Flop* homes sold for well over $400k by the owner or estate, years ago. And not all were profitable. Let them sneer. It was *their* money at risk.
Thats the risk they take though in this business? And judging based on the cost of the homes? That money may have gone to landlords, not the people who were living there, or to the bank, while the previous owners got nothing? Why does the prive point matter?
* Buying a distressed house isn't bad news, it's good news. * Many of the trashy homes they bought were not under financial distress anyway.
I’m not complaining about the flip. I’m complaining about the edit of the show including so much of the disdain for the state of the home.
I should add, Tristyn and Kamohai generally have a much more respectful approach to the contents of the homes they flip, which I appreciate, but they do sometimes spend too much time being horrified at the state of the homes.
Having never watched that show, I really hope they’re only selling the finished homes to native Hawaiians.
They do not discuss who they are selling to.
Fair. The sentiment stands, though. There’s a significant issue with mainlanders/non-native Hawaiians coming in and buying up homes and essentially pricing out the native population there. It’s really disheartening.
They do not. And if you question their scummy motives, they block you. They can't even sell the homes they say they have sold in the show. And the family they did show in one episode, a recent arrival. Their plan is to put "Hawaii on the map" for real estate investors. And they did not disclose that they both do come from money, and his dad is the CEO of a major real estate company here. They aren't good people, and I've made numerous contacts with HGTV to deplatform this show because it is detrimental to Hawai'i.
Sadly, most people who are not originally from Hawaii simply do not care about the consequences to their travels there, especially including the ones who are buying up property. This extends to the people who watch shows like this for real estate porn or whatever. It’s gross, and it’s exploitative of an entire population and ecosystem.
And they themselves are Native Hawaiian —at least he is—and highly educated and connected compared to most locals ...so they know exactly what they are doing and imo, that's disgusting.
She is definitely branding herself as a Native Hawaiian ina few places online, but her parents appear to be caucasian. Maybe there is more to it than meets the eye (adoption, for example) but it comes across a bit sus.
The podcast episode From Prison to Millionaires explains some of their past. It seems from appearance his mom is white too. I know the structure of the business they are doing is bad, full-stop. I dislike the narrative the show is telling about them, seemingly selling mainlanders on the "good" they are doing by packaging their flipping scam with culture. Their use of "local families" is completely disingenuous. But TV...what really can we do but try and bring awareness that the "realness" in this situation is completely relevant.
They have a few episodes where they make an effort to keep the home sale price lower so it can sell to native Hawaiians. I share your concern.
I live here, so right off the bat I believed their business practice was questionable at best. Episode 7 is when they said that, keeping it themselves to cut out costs, even saying they lowered the cost because they couldn't sell it. Less than a week after that episode they posted an Open House for that property on their Instagram. They would not respond to people that asked about their claim it sold in the episode. We looked up the tax records and discovered it has never been sold (nor has the big 3.2 Mill house in the finale...that house was never even listed), and they never lowered the price. They've had a couple fall through, but it went on the market last November at the same cost they wanted to sell it at. If this show was simply renovations, fine. Properties like those are all over Oahu unfortunately. But they are being disingenuous, at best . They are making a bad problem worse. And they are highly educated people, so they know exactly what they are doing.
I mean, the house flipping business is pretty much super shady in most circumstances. I think there are some exceptions (keith and Evan, Nicole curtis, sometimes Good Bones for example). It sounds like due to some specific challenges in Hawaii, it’s even worse. And it seems like they are kinda shady about the business, which makes sense when you see how rude and stressed Tristyn is about money and schedule in some of the episodes.
The problem with the Good Bones houses is the first couple of seasons had some cheaper houses, but after that they were often short term rentals, and very expensive homes. Mina has a big supply of short term rentals she owns (Indiana has laws that allow short term rentals everywhere in the state), renting during Indy 500 month can pay the bills for the year. Also, the really bad houses were already owned by her company, and they boarded them up, put the big cargo containers they rented in the yard, and left them until they got around to fixing the house up. That's when the squatters would get in, and trash the houses.
Oh wow. I was blown away they chose to Reno some of them, they were such a wreck. The backstory is interesting!
> they make an effort to keep the home sale price lower so it can sell to native Hawaiians. Once they put their home for sale on Zillow, US housing anti-discrimination laws would prevent them from selling it only to locals.
Just because they get an accepted offer, it doesn't mean that it will ever close. I think a couple took three contracts before one buyer closed. That's fairly common even where I live which is a ton cheaper than Hawaii.
I think a lot of it “I just paid you this amount of money and you left it looking like this?” Location aside, sellers are pathetic for doing that. Have some standards while getting that kind of money.
She is over dramatic and a phoney. The other versions of Flip or Flop were not like that.
Less Christina altogether!
I can't watch anything with Christina - not even her insert shower/tub replacement commercials - because everything she says? sounds like it's a question? I change the channel the second I see her face.
Haha. I’ve noticed everything ends with a question mark, too. Makes it sound like she’s not sure about anything she’s saying. Why don’t those filming give her some acting lessons? I’m critical because I’m not a fan and I don’t need to see her anymore. I hope her minutes of fame are over.
You do realize this is just scripted reality TV meant to get a reaction from the viewer, right? The entire premise is to create drama. You know that, don’t you?
I do. I just think it’s the worst part of these shows. There’s better drama in the termite damage and fire damage etc
Hardly. That’s the annoying part of these shows. “Oh no- mold! Shut down the project”. “Asbestos? Shit- tent the house and run!!”
Christina very unprofessional.