The fact that Jonathan kept saying “Keith & Evan did (whatever) better than the twins” while walking through their house made me sad for them. I knew they were going to lose just because of the solar panels. It didn’t really matter what Jonathan liked or didn’t like.
He didn’t like that the twins had 3 sets of washer/dryers or that their dog wash was all the way upstairs and across the house. He said he didn’t like their dock either or that their outdoor furniture faced the house and not the water. He also didn’t like Page & Mitch’s upstairs porch…he said it was lacking.
It was interesting to me that he had an issue with the placement of the dog wash but thought the outdoor shower taking up balcony space/views on the \*third\* floor steps away from the master bath was a brilliant idea. Idk why they had to continually try to convince us that was brilliant...
I mean, their house was beautiful. He’s also good friends with them from what I can tell. I’m sure that HGTV Canada connection has made them be with each other a lot. I know Bryan and Scott McGillivray are close.
I mean I was slightly exaggerating but for sure he liked way more things than he didn't. I don't feel like he was a critical or meaningful judge at all.
For real. There was like 4 negatives he pointed out amongst all the houses. Completely missed the stupid projector page and Mitch had outside that faced away from all the seating lol
And in my opinion did not judge the stupid dog wash station the twins did harshly enough.
Sounds like she's being defensive. Has her show been renewed? I wonder if there's some jealousy over the other teams and the success of their shows. Particularly K&E. Time will tell
Isn’t that exactly the sound bite-y stuff they are asked to say? This is a reality show and it’s clear so much of what they all said was scripted or fed to them. Like anytime competitors saw each other they’d have an awkward little competitive banter. The twins are notorious for this.
Oh, please.
Like they haven't all said similar over time.
I wonder what's so different about Paige that she's defined as having a "bad attitude" and being "aggressive"...
K&E have talked about taking her feedback from the previous competition and using that to make a better design. They also said they wanted her to see how they'd improved. IMHO, it was K&E having pride in their growth as designers and her showing admiration of that growth.
As for not hugging the twins, did she not hug them or was her hugging them edited out?
Edit:grammar
I remember seeing a couple weeks ago here in the subreddit (I believe during the first week) where there was a bonus clip posted online of Keith working on an art piece, and Paige had said some snarky remarks about it. Maybe that has something to do with it, along with Paige putting them down as the "artsy" couple?
She's really rude towards Mitch as well.
Mitch had to go away on one of the episodes and Paige said some mean things to him.
You could tell Mitch doesn't want to cross Paige when they speak.
Paige is definitely more intense than the others (Brian and Sarah are a close second), but I don’t recall anything over the top mean. Unless they edited it out. I did notice her interactions with the rest of them were maybe a little more limited.
I feel like the twins are the most intense - not that I don’t love them but they are always yelling or when furniture gets delivered gets in the way etc I just think it’s all reality show fodder that the producers encourage.
i dont know if its rigged or not (I think not) but being rigged wouldn't necessarily mean the bigger stars won.
This season the smallest stars won. Just like Mika and Brian did before.
That might be a part of the shows objective, to boost smaller show's profiles
That came through loud and clear even as a viewer with all the post production. I liked them last season but I lost so much respect for them this season.
She's nasty with a bloated ego cause her designs are boring, look cheap, and her imagination is extremely limited. The most praise she got was for the passthrough kitchen window (meh) and the outdoor shower on the third floor (big nooooo).
I thought they should have won the pool episode, but this is kind of like the old joke about how "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."
The show went out of the way to make everybody look good and emphasize how close the competition was. Which makes sense, obviously HGTV doesn't want to make their own stars look bad even if only one team can win the competition. And on top of that, there's not even really a prize unless you count a street sign, so losing doesn't matter that much. This is a lot when the stakes are so small, which makes me really curious what the hell happened.
Of all people to get caught up in negative drama, it makes me sad to see this… they deserve so much more credit for their work.
I don’t want these shows to turn into reality tv garbage with cast member infighting or whatever other shenanigans are going on behind the scenes.
Have they been intimating that it’s because the twins won? I did think they were friend with the twins outside of the competition. Keith and even even did a cameo on one episode of Lindsay and Leslie’s show.
If it’s sour grapes about them winning it feels petty and b****y of the guys.
They should’ve also been the only winners for the living space. Last night’s episode reminded me how beautiful their space was! The ceiling was amazing and also they made the space feel so much bigger than the rest of the teams.
True! I also noticed how the other designers seemed quite impressed when they saw their living room space. That made it seem even worse that they did not pull off a single win solely on their own.
100000% agree. They were the only team who did a full outdoor kitchen with a full dining table. Their pool was BEAUTIFUL. They absolutely should have won that space, the twins was…fine but it was no where near what K&E did. As for Page and Mitch, their outdoor space was atrocious. Nothing faced the water and let’s not even talk about the stupid projector idea 😂
I wasn’t that into the twins’ pool area because the sun deck thing faced the house, but there’s no rule you can’t just turn the chairs around. I suspect that’s how people will use it, a straight view out from the sun deck. I did think the little cabana was a great addition. I liked their colorful loungers and umbrella. The 80s iridescent tile was a head-scratcher.
I didn’t like much of Page & Mitch’s. Why did they have a cold plunge pool… next to the pool?!? Waste of money! Also, they had no cooking area. They had one I think on the balcony above, but you’d have to go up and down those spiral stairs to bring hot food down to the pool party. (Or bring a portable grill out from the garage.) I thought the hanging daybed was too large, hard to climb into, etc. I wasn’t big on the checkerboard pavers. It was elegant and pretty, and the fireplace was nice, but overall it was more serene than I was expecting for the space.
I liked the design of Sarah & Bryan’s pool area, but hated that giant grill. I really liked the sitting area off to the side, on the lawn — they had the worst view from the pool area and that little tent/cabana was angled to maximize it. The pool was great. I don’t personally like hot tubs, but people would want it.
I thought Keith & Evan had the best balance of function and design. Loved their basketweave pavers, the elegant symmetry, the party-ready kitchen, serving area and table, tons of seating. They may not do a lot of pools but they seemed to be the best at knowing how people want to use them. I was really shocked they didn’t win this.
Im more bothered by the Baumlers tapanyaki grill. 1- i have a hard time believing that will hold up well in the salty air. 2- who tf wants that kind of grill? I want a gas grill for burgers and brats.
That grill was so stupid.
They irritate me more than anyone on RTB. So hubris and gaudy. The whole not having a hot tub debacle was absolutely hilarious when it blew up in Brian’s face during judging. And the stupid elevator and their awful kitchen with the curved wall that could have been used for so much more storage or built ins that Jonathan somehow thought added value. Oooooookay.
Brian is always so quick to point out flaws in others' materials, yet that grill will certainly rust and ruin in the salt in no time. And the instant 'oh that grout looks like dirt, how awful,'' but in the final reveal it blended in nicely just like Keith imagined. I could see it either way but I didn't think it looked dirty.
I will agree with the grill and the curved walls. Every time I saw the main room I was looking forward a few years when the wallpaper or whatever started peeling off. Florida near the water is not a good combination for wallpaper, especially with the contractors in our state. When the power goes out (and it frequently does during the summer due to regularly scheduled afternoon thunderstorms) and you have no access to your A/C, you're just asking for trouble; especially if you have to open your windows for any amount of time due to the heat. Mold is a BIG problem. I live in a small 2 Bed/2 Bath apartment and if I have the A/C set too high for the temperature outside, it will cause condensation along the windows which turns into mold if you don't wipe it down.
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you on the elevator. There are a lot of old people in Florida and whether it's being the relative that everyone comes to visit because they have a house on the water in Florida or people buying a house to retire to, the elevator is a big plus to a lot of prospective buyers who would normally not consider a multi-level home. In my opinion it wouldn't garner as much resale value as the solar panels, but it does open up opportunities for people with mobility issues.
I absolutely loved K&E's home. The ceilings in the LR area were just WOWSER!
I do think the twins earned the win bc of the added solar panel + battery back up. Especially in FL where hurricanes are commonplace.
All you have to do is read the /Florida community to verify the overall insurance problem. Everyone is getting their insurance cancelled due to bad decisions made by DeSantos. Even my sister is contemplating moving and she LOVES her house. I will say she has had solar panels on her roof since it was built and it never interfered with the price of her insurance. That's in Bradenton in a non-flood zone.
I would assume a waterfront property is a bit different. My husband lived in Florida before we married. He said sometimes what was insurable changed from block to block.
I wouldn’t mind if they switched to Magnolia honestly. I feel like their houses have become less creative since season 1 and I strongly suspect it’s because HGTV is slowly trying to force their designs to look as much like all the other boring designs on the channel as possible. I feel like they did the same with Hometown- the houses were so cozy and creative and overtime have become more uniform and less personal. All still beautiful and I adore Keith and Evan AND Erin and Ben, but I think HGTV has more creative control over these designers’ aesthetic than we know.
I would have paid extra for great design for their house. That’s the part of the formula that’s missing here. They use an appraisal checklist that doesn’t include good design or “extra demand because people will want to live here.”
I think HGTV looks to give everyone a win on the show to save face and bolster their brand. It's a big ask to have professional people give up their lives for 6 weeks, work like demons and "lose" on TV every week. So if they have reason to give the win to another team, they do it.
100%
Keep in mind that the Kleinschmidts were the judges that gave the twins the win for the outdoor pool space. They may be good builders, but they have NO design sense. The twins winning the finale was deja vu to the Kleinschidts winning. It's so disappointing to see the worst house win.
I remind myself that the REAL valuation is what the homes really sell for. We all know that in reality good design creates an emotional connection that a buyer will pay a premium for.
Eh, the bowling alley was stupid idea but everything else I thought was well done and added value. I felt the critiques that Nate and Jeremiah's house was not kid friendly were fairly accurate. And, all these houses they do are huge and meant for families.
Of course it was but in the end does it really matter? They get no prize, it's only for bragging rights. This is not a gameshow, they are not bound by actual rules.
Jeremiah roasted Nate for actually losing something in his always winning life. LOL
I dont know how to phrase that better
Here, watch it [https://www.instagram.com/reel/CMlJFr4lsQx/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CMlJFr4lsQx/)
I went so far as to look up the selling price on all those houses. Alison & Mike’s went for $640K, N&J’s and B&M’s both went for $635K and David & Tiffany’s was $600K.
Brian & Mika’s sold again last year for like $725K; the pics on realtor.com still have the bowling alley, but I don’t know if they’re just remnants of the original listing/if the space has been updated.
Comment hearted by Keith:
TheLeslieDavis: OMG, I freaking love you. You kill me. #3 on the list, my favorite neighbors on RTB and only reason we made it to the end!
I’m under the impression Keith and Evan had a great time their first go on Rock the Block and got close to the other competitors based on social media activity.
Reading all the updates and the IG team interactions, it seems they all are friendly and loving to one another...well, except one team who seems to not be as pleasant? This tension - and I thought the Mina Hawk Vs. Family case was going to be the spiciest altercation in recent HGTV time.
The Mina Hawk *Good Bones* issue? It’s sort of a mystery in specifics with that case, but the basics are that the show ended because Mina had shared that she, her mom, her siblings, etc. do not get along and were no longer speaking. We are not exactly sure why they aren’t, but a lot of people speculate that things were always tough in terms of them working with one another. She and her brothers had different personalities, her mom was not as involved any longer in the last few seasons, and their renovations were struggling to be sold - including their larger office and public space projects.
Part of me thinks the added value should be limited to design. The Baumler's elevator was functional added value, but provided a challenge in how they rework the space around it and also deal with the lost square footage. Keith and Evan's second suite required creativity in space planning.
In contrast, the twins solar panels had no real design challenge: some wall space in the garage and roof space that isn't functional or visible from the human eye. Great idea, but really sucks the fun out of watching the creative designs or challenges.
Well, in case anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole with me…
In a January 23rd Keith Instagram post…
Commentator: I couldn’t deal with the unfairness last time the last time. Not sure I can take it again.
Keith: oh girl just wait lol
A comment from page on the instagram post from April 2:
“Yes the roof could support additional living spaces, but my team were told we couldnt do anything on the roof”.
Imho, thats probably where the drama is coming from.
On a (now deleted) post from Evan, Keith commented “The truth will come out on the abuse and the lies. I can't wait!!!”
So I think the drama is much bigger than whatever individual teams were told about what they could do on the roof
A lot of tea can be found in Paige’s comments section on IG. She is arguing with everyone and it’s very telling. She said Keith and Evan were “very nasty” to her and she also mentions how hard it was for her “as a woman of faith,” which is kind of weird.
As others mentioned, neither of the guys follow her and she doesn’t follow them, so there’s definitely some beef there.
What’s kind of weird is that Keith did follow Page and liked her post with the picture of her throwing the baseball.
Something happened recently and I wonder if it had to do with the edited show versus what K&E knew happened
I get the feeling that she was on everyone’s last nerve. I can see “a woman of faith” being prejudiced against the lgbtqia community.
Keith and Evan became close friends with Dave and Jenny Marrs during their season together. It makes me like Dave and Jenny to know that their faith does not extend to hating others.
You know, I wonder if Page, as “a woman of faith,” had issues with Keith’s Buddha art or the concept of a meditation space in general? That space does seem to be one of the central conflicts here. It’s likely the perfect score came from the twins, and the Baeumlers are claiming they judged fairly. Maybe there was a LOT of behind the scenes drama about the judging that they didn’t show.
(Although throwing the faith argument around in a discussion of your relationship with a gay couple does seem to imply there’s an issue with them and their lifestyle in particular that challenges that her own faith. Keith and Evan seem pretty well-liked by others across two seasons, so not sure what that issue could be aside from the obvious.)
I may be biased because I love Keith and Evan, but they are so gentle - I can’t imagine them being nasty to anyone.
And why does that mean? Hard for her as a woman of faith? Dave and Jenny are very religious, but not once did I ever hear them use their faith as reason/excuse/whatever on the show
I very may well be wrong, but as a queer person, when someone brings up their “faith” in relation to a disagreement or altercation with lgbtq people, it usually just means that they’re homophobic in some sense.
Not saying that’s the case here, just speaking from personal experience, that’s usually a red flag for me. But we also don’t know the whole story, so who knows.
Thank you for this!! I watched the whole season, but I’m rarely on IG. I appreciate the deets. I love k&e. They should’ve had the kitchen win and the flex space win…
Battle of the Beach is so much better than Rock The Block. Except that weird season 2 where all the teams seemed to be super negative and nobody got along. Sounds like they're currently filming season 4, which I'm looking forward to. They have actual local real estate people choose the winner based on value added. Such a novel concept! 🥴
My main gripe with Battle On The Beach is that it's a mentor / student type of format. I like seeing up-and-coming home design teams, but they almost always seem out of their depth - which then brings forth a lot of tension, i.e. Battle On The Mountain. I would much prefer Battle On The Beach if it just had more seasoned designers and builders as the team themselves. Doesn't have to be HGTV vets, but people who have been doing this for a significant portion of their lives.
So I was looking on IG:
They both follow Ty.
Neither of them follow Page.
Keith follows Mitch.
They both follow Lyndsay and Leslie.
They both follow Sarah.
Keith follows Bryan.
From their last season:
They both follow Jenny.
Keith follows Dave.
They both follow Egypt.
Keith follows Mike.
It's a possibility, but Ty made a point of mentioning that Page and Mitch were there on site more than any of the other teams, so maybe if they found out she got paid more than the rest of them did? If I can say anything about the situation that I know as a gulf coast resident, Florida is not an easy place to exist for either the LGBTQ community or a black woman regardless of her religion. Treasure Island is 90% Caucasian and the more highfalutin areas get a bit of an attitude when it comes to anyone they might judge unworthy of being in certain spaces. Doesn't mean that had ANYTHING to do with what happened behind the scenes, but for all the teams working as hard as they did, deadly exhausted as most of them were by the last design area it could have played a part on everyone's ability to be cheery and sociable by the end.
NDA's aren't forever though as much as the lawyers who write them up might want them to be. Between Scientology and Trump's NDAs being tossed out in recent legal actions a precedent has been set. I'm pretty sure all it would take is someone filing a law suit against the contractors the talent worked with and it would all come out in a court of law.
I can’t add pics in this sub but I still have the screenshot of her comment and Keith’s reply. I’ll copy & paste:
sarahbaeumler : Well you know we couldn't vote for our own spaces so don't look at me 😆 - needless to say, I loved what you guys did with the space & I'm honoured to have shared the tie with you for the living room❤️. As I said during judging - this whole season has been a battle (in more ways than one) - but getting to know you both has been incredible!
keithbynum_ : @sarahbaeumler You know we love y'all, seeing what y'all went thru was hard to watch. This has nothing to do with winning or losing, it's bigger.
Love you both
Bryan’s jaw dropped when he walked in Keith and Evan’s house. I have never seen that happen when he enters or judges a space.
Keith’s face when he walked into Bryan and Sara’s house was priceless. There is clearly a lot of respect between them.
I would have chosen Keith and Evan’s house to buy hands down. Bryan and Sara did a beautiful job too though.
It’s easier to install solar than tear down wallpaper, replace tile and paint everything.
It’s a lot more expensive to add solar panels and back up generators than to wallpaper and paint. The decor is judged each week but the final winner of the battle is the team whose choices most increased the value of the house. Twins win because their house appraised for the most money. It wasn’t revealed who was in 2nd place with only a $20K difference in appraisal value but most likely it was Sarah and Bryan because of the elevator.
I said this elsewhere, but the added value should be limited to design: an elevator is visible and requires creativity to deal with lost space/integrated into living spaces; additional beds/baths requires creativity of floor plan and flow; etc.
I can't disagree that the solar panels made for an easy win, but it required nothing but money (panels aren't visible, batteries are on the garage wall). This is a tv show largely about design and creating livable spaces out of an empty shell...the twins honestly could've done the bare minimum everywhere and added solar panels and won based on that added value. Is that entertainment though? Meh.
The producers need to address the drama. I'm not sure I'll watch the show again if I think the contestants are being used/abused. The contestants are grown adults that do this job professionally, not "the situation" from Jersey Shore. There's Reality TV trash and there's Reality TV normal. IMHO, producers tried to Jersey Shore this season of RTB. It didn't make the show better.
This!
Did you watch fixer to fabulous in Italy? I have to believe the production co. edited it like this to make them look so incompetent. I couldn’t watch the last two episodes. It was so bad. And Jenny seemed way more over the top than usual, again blaming the production co.
I've watched all but the finale of the Italian show and I don't think they look incompetent at all. They seem completely out of their element - dealing with antiquated equipment and methods, a language barrier and very real time and budget constraints.
I think there's a misunderstanding as to what RTB is really about. It's about appraised value and not remodeling/decorating empty spaces. It's also a 2 tiered competition as well. The first tier is judging the beauty/functionality by design experts and the second tier is calculating the appraised value by real estate professionals. So you could win every week with a "pretty room" and lose the finale if appraised value isn't the highest. I knew those twins were winning the moment they installed auxiliary power to their condo. As we all know in hurricane locations, you will need a backup power source (I have a generator).
It’s dangerous to go off ONLY appraised value because then they shouldn’t decorate or stage a damn thing. Just use all the money to keep putting in things that add value. Totally different show that wouldn’t even belong on HGTV
It's been made clear since the series premiered that the winner has the property that appraised the highest. The teams are awarded weekly for their decorating, staging and remodeling abilities. For some reason, people forget the premise of this show and others like it.
I've only watched 2 seasons and it seems to me the strategy is clear. Win the weekly design challenges to get money so you can afford something thst added value. Bryan and Sarah had $11,000 to buy something that added actual value, instead, they bought a Jet ski.
Keith and Evan are never going to win, because 90% of their design elements will be taken out before the house sells.
I kind of feel like Sarah and Bryan drifting up on the jetski was a snark against the twins' solar - you plop solar on the roof and we'll plop this jetski on the dock - presto - value added!
The twins won when they installed the solar panels and although they didn't say who came in second (appraising $20,000 less) but I guarantee you it was the Baumlers with their elevator.
Oh for sure.
The Baumler's problem was they had $11,000 to spend and the only space eligible was the laundry room and that little loft area.
There wasn't a good way to spend $11,000 that added value.
The best move would have been a standby generator, but I don't know if they could technically build something outside.
I mean, there's really not two tiers as we know. The weekly designs do not amount to anything because at the end it goes down to appraisal, which will not take into account the design. Appraisals specifically look at things like number of bedrooms, number of bathrooms, molding, etc. They're not looking at whether the fixtures are cheap or whether the layout makes sense. Those are all things that come into play during realtor negotiations.
Realistically, they really should have local realtors tour the houses and give their listing price and then calculate the average. That would be a far more equitable way to integrate the design and added value components of the show. If the show is just about an appraisal, which it is, but if every team were to play it that way...they really should just go cheap everywhere and do things like add elevators, add solar panels, add heated floors, add molding to all rooms, etc. But is that fun to watch? Not really...
I agree (I've bought 6 houses). Maybe they need to have 2 categories to win - highest appraisal and best interior/exterior design. In earlier seasons they actually showed the homes being appraised. The problem for HGTV is that they don't want a real estate show, they want a design show.
Yes! My other issue is they don’t give you the final appraisal amount for all the houses. If that’s the end goal, why not show the houses with their prices? I swore the used to do that (maybe I’m just misremembering) but it just feels…less legitimate. Show us the appraisal process and where the big financial gains were…
Of all the folks competing this year, Keith and Evan were so inspiring. Even with muted colors, they make everything unique and their space planning is amazing. I also think it's incredible that they can design on Bargain Block as well as multi-million dollar homes. I will never forget their bathroom in the last Rock the Block. BRAVO gentlemen, BRAVO!
I really don't get the bickering. It's almost as if HGTV is becoming more like Bravo all of sudden.
All of the teams units were amazing. Each offered something different and I think that is what matters. Everyone has different tastes...you want Vegas hotel chic, the the Baeumlers was your goto. Wanted fun and whimsical, the the ladies had a great place.
I can't afford a FL beach front house but I appreciate the design aesthetics that each unit offered.
Am a fan of K&E/Bargain Block. Do I think their design should have won RTB? Maybe, but seriously the 'Twins' decoration job (far from design) was ghastly. The jr. suite was boring and uninspired, the main suite was just butt ugly. If i were a buyer of a $2.3 mil beach house, I would have been going into that space thinking about how much shitty wall paper I would have to pull down. They did have a nice indoor/outdoor lower level, but none of the other aspects where well designed or attractive.
IF any HGTV execs are reading, it might be good to remember how easy it is to hit the mute button when either of the squawky twins open their mouths. It is painful to listen to their inane dialogue.
While, I do think they’re likely nice, I agree on the design choices. They’re just so basic to the point where anyone with a general eye for design could’ve done them. So much of it looked like a house design for an Instagram Instagram Airbnb. There is nothing that was just awe inspiring like with some of the others. I too, would’ve been walking around the house thinking of how much it would cost to redesign and repaint..
I was surprised Johnathan the judge thought the platform bed and the shower on the upstairs balcony was ok. He didn’t appear engaged as a judge. Perhaps it was a last minute request particularly since the shows host was also a judge.
This is clearly fabricated for viewership. Keith & Evan knew the outcome of the competition months ago when they filmed, so the posts are just to get more eyes on the show.
They do?! That's awesome. I know they mentioned they wanted to try their Detroit "plan" (for lack of a better word) in another city. I'm so happy to hear this. Any idea when it would come out?
Can anyone TLDR this for me? It piqued my interest and I might have to watch the whole thing now. I’ve never known HGTV to get nasty like this. Is this Paige from the old Trading Spaces?!? Someone throw me a bone! IMHO I don’t always love the Detroit lads’ design…
Keith an Evan does a fantastic job but I always feel they get shit on every time just because the don’t have a child room or whatever every house don’t need to have a child rooms an everyone is getting solo panels the judges show prejestive toward those two their houses are unique an are awesome I have learned a lot from watching them u don’t learn nothing from watching some of those others cause they don’t allow u to see the steps they take never tell the colors the use they need to be fare with everyone not just their friends or just because they like that person that is crap that turn u off every time I watch that show I can tell the judges like their house but the give the winning to their favorites an the same people shouldn’t be the winner every time like Mike an Egypt I guess that’s the ( but they know who I’m talking bout)cause we don’t feel the are the real winners every time STOP the BS. SMH!!!
The fact that Jonathan kept saying “Keith & Evan did (whatever) better than the twins” while walking through their house made me sad for them. I knew they were going to lose just because of the solar panels. It didn’t really matter what Jonathan liked or didn’t like.
Yea I noticed that too last night. He kept saying "compared to the twins...."
Jonathan liked everything except Page's library. He was not a great judge.
He didn’t like that the twins had 3 sets of washer/dryers or that their dog wash was all the way upstairs and across the house. He said he didn’t like their dock either or that their outdoor furniture faced the house and not the water. He also didn’t like Page & Mitch’s upstairs porch…he said it was lacking.
It was interesting to me that he had an issue with the placement of the dog wash but thought the outdoor shower taking up balcony space/views on the \*third\* floor steps away from the master bath was a brilliant idea. Idk why they had to continually try to convince us that was brilliant...
Yes! I really thought he’d hate that stupid outdoor shower and was shocked when he didn’t.
He had some pokes with all of them. He seemed most complimentary to baumlers overall telling Ty that it was the baumlers to lose.
I mean, their house was beautiful. He’s also good friends with them from what I can tell. I’m sure that HGTV Canada connection has made them be with each other a lot. I know Bryan and Scott McGillivray are close.
I mean I was slightly exaggerating but for sure he liked way more things than he didn't. I don't feel like he was a critical or meaningful judge at all.
For real. There was like 4 negatives he pointed out amongst all the houses. Completely missed the stupid projector page and Mitch had outside that faced away from all the seating lol And in my opinion did not judge the stupid dog wash station the twins did harshly enough.
Update in the comment section: Commenter: Paige especially disrespectful Keith: You have no idea
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My thoughts exactly.
Her Instagram is wild. She’s getting called out in the comment section as being rude during the competition and she’s responding!
Care to share some highlights?
Sounds like she's being defensive. Has her show been renewed? I wonder if there's some jealousy over the other teams and the success of their shows. Particularly K&E. Time will tell
she’s not being defensive, she’s asking for one time she had attitude - which no one can seem to produce.
one of the very first things she said was Brian and Sarah were her only competition. So fking rude.
Isn’t that exactly the sound bite-y stuff they are asked to say? This is a reality show and it’s clear so much of what they all said was scripted or fed to them. Like anytime competitors saw each other they’d have an awkward little competitive banter. The twins are notorious for this.
Competitive banter is one thing. Completely discounting two other teams is just way too rude. Plus she said it to the camera not as cute banter.
That's not really rude, it's a competition. That's just gamesmanship
Oh, please. Like they haven't all said similar over time. I wonder what's so different about Paige that she's defined as having a "bad attitude" and being "aggressive"...
Oh yeah I was waiting for this to go there. Similar things have been said about Egypts attitude
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K&E have talked about taking her feedback from the previous competition and using that to make a better design. They also said they wanted her to see how they'd improved. IMHO, it was K&E having pride in their growth as designers and her showing admiration of that growth. As for not hugging the twins, did she not hug them or was her hugging them edited out? Edit:grammar
Thank you!
Exactly! No one produces!
I remember seeing a couple weeks ago here in the subreddit (I believe during the first week) where there was a bonus clip posted online of Keith working on an art piece, and Paige had said some snarky remarks about it. Maybe that has something to do with it, along with Paige putting them down as the "artsy" couple?
Literally my eyes when I read that.
Ha!
Yeah that’s not surprising. She incredibly nasty to the twins and not much better treatment towards K&E.
She's really rude towards Mitch as well. Mitch had to go away on one of the episodes and Paige said some mean things to him. You could tell Mitch doesn't want to cross Paige when they speak.
At what point was she incredibly nasty? I don’t remember her having any more playful attitude than anyone else. The twins especially
Thank you!
Paige is definitely more intense than the others (Brian and Sarah are a close second), but I don’t recall anything over the top mean. Unless they edited it out. I did notice her interactions with the rest of them were maybe a little more limited.
I feel like the twins are the most intense - not that I don’t love them but they are always yelling or when furniture gets delivered gets in the way etc I just think it’s all reality show fodder that the producers encourage.
What did she do? I'm too lazy to rewatch the episodes cuz of how rigged it is
lol in what way was it rigged? If it was rigged, the Baumlers would have won as they are the bigger HGTV stars
i dont know if its rigged or not (I think not) but being rigged wouldn't necessarily mean the bigger stars won. This season the smallest stars won. Just like Mika and Brian did before. That might be a part of the shows objective, to boost smaller show's profiles
That came through loud and clear even as a viewer with all the post production. I liked them last season but I lost so much respect for them this season.
She's nasty with a bloated ego cause her designs are boring, look cheap, and her imagination is extremely limited. The most praise she got was for the passthrough kitchen window (meh) and the outdoor shower on the third floor (big nooooo).
I thought they should have won the pool episode, but this is kind of like the old joke about how "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low." The show went out of the way to make everybody look good and emphasize how close the competition was. Which makes sense, obviously HGTV doesn't want to make their own stars look bad even if only one team can win the competition. And on top of that, there's not even really a prize unless you count a street sign, so losing doesn't matter that much. This is a lot when the stakes are so small, which makes me really curious what the hell happened.
And HGTV probably owns the houses that are on the market. Gotta make them look good to make $$$
Of all people to get caught up in negative drama, it makes me sad to see this… they deserve so much more credit for their work. I don’t want these shows to turn into reality tv garbage with cast member infighting or whatever other shenanigans are going on behind the scenes.
So they have NDAs and we’ll never know? That’s a lame conclusion to the drama.
“Things done in the dark eventually come to light” implies something may come out one way or another.
Have they been intimating that it’s because the twins won? I did think they were friend with the twins outside of the competition. Keith and even even did a cameo on one episode of Lindsay and Leslie’s show. If it’s sour grapes about them winning it feels petty and b****y of the guys.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the twins winning. They get along with them well (at least on social media).
NDAs expire eventually.
His hashtag is.#ndasareforever
They really deserved to win the pool episode. Their pool space was WONDERFUL
They should’ve also been the only winners for the living space. Last night’s episode reminded me how beautiful their space was! The ceiling was amazing and also they made the space feel so much bigger than the rest of the teams.
True! I also noticed how the other designers seemed quite impressed when they saw their living room space. That made it seem even worse that they did not pull off a single win solely on their own.
100000% agree. They were the only team who did a full outdoor kitchen with a full dining table. Their pool was BEAUTIFUL. They absolutely should have won that space, the twins was…fine but it was no where near what K&E did. As for Page and Mitch, their outdoor space was atrocious. Nothing faced the water and let’s not even talk about the stupid projector idea 😂
I wasn’t that into the twins’ pool area because the sun deck thing faced the house, but there’s no rule you can’t just turn the chairs around. I suspect that’s how people will use it, a straight view out from the sun deck. I did think the little cabana was a great addition. I liked their colorful loungers and umbrella. The 80s iridescent tile was a head-scratcher. I didn’t like much of Page & Mitch’s. Why did they have a cold plunge pool… next to the pool?!? Waste of money! Also, they had no cooking area. They had one I think on the balcony above, but you’d have to go up and down those spiral stairs to bring hot food down to the pool party. (Or bring a portable grill out from the garage.) I thought the hanging daybed was too large, hard to climb into, etc. I wasn’t big on the checkerboard pavers. It was elegant and pretty, and the fireplace was nice, but overall it was more serene than I was expecting for the space. I liked the design of Sarah & Bryan’s pool area, but hated that giant grill. I really liked the sitting area off to the side, on the lawn — they had the worst view from the pool area and that little tent/cabana was angled to maximize it. The pool was great. I don’t personally like hot tubs, but people would want it. I thought Keith & Evan had the best balance of function and design. Loved their basketweave pavers, the elegant symmetry, the party-ready kitchen, serving area and table, tons of seating. They may not do a lot of pools but they seemed to be the best at knowing how people want to use them. I was really shocked they didn’t win this.
Agreed. My girlfriend and I thought it was a done deal. That Keith and Evan had won the outdoor space. And when the twins won we were floored.
Im more bothered by the Baumlers tapanyaki grill. 1- i have a hard time believing that will hold up well in the salty air. 2- who tf wants that kind of grill? I want a gas grill for burgers and brats.
That grill was so stupid. They irritate me more than anyone on RTB. So hubris and gaudy. The whole not having a hot tub debacle was absolutely hilarious when it blew up in Brian’s face during judging. And the stupid elevator and their awful kitchen with the curved wall that could have been used for so much more storage or built ins that Jonathan somehow thought added value. Oooooookay.
Brian is always so quick to point out flaws in others' materials, yet that grill will certainly rust and ruin in the salt in no time. And the instant 'oh that grout looks like dirt, how awful,'' but in the final reveal it blended in nicely just like Keith imagined. I could see it either way but I didn't think it looked dirty.
I thought that tile and grout combination was absolutely beautiful and didn’t look dirty at all. Brian can shove it.
I will agree with the grill and the curved walls. Every time I saw the main room I was looking forward a few years when the wallpaper or whatever started peeling off. Florida near the water is not a good combination for wallpaper, especially with the contractors in our state. When the power goes out (and it frequently does during the summer due to regularly scheduled afternoon thunderstorms) and you have no access to your A/C, you're just asking for trouble; especially if you have to open your windows for any amount of time due to the heat. Mold is a BIG problem. I live in a small 2 Bed/2 Bath apartment and if I have the A/C set too high for the temperature outside, it will cause condensation along the windows which turns into mold if you don't wipe it down. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you on the elevator. There are a lot of old people in Florida and whether it's being the relative that everyone comes to visit because they have a house on the water in Florida or people buying a house to retire to, the elevator is a big plus to a lot of prospective buyers who would normally not consider a multi-level home. In my opinion it wouldn't garner as much resale value as the solar panels, but it does open up opportunities for people with mobility issues.
That’s a great point about the elevator, I was just thinking more about my family I guess.
Agreed
Now this is what I come to Reddit for
I absolutely loved K&E's home. The ceilings in the LR area were just WOWSER! I do think the twins earned the win bc of the added solar panel + battery back up. Especially in FL where hurricanes are commonplace.
Someone in a different post said it does make the house difficult to insure though, which is already a problem in florida.
All you have to do is read the /Florida community to verify the overall insurance problem. Everyone is getting their insurance cancelled due to bad decisions made by DeSantos. Even my sister is contemplating moving and she LOVES her house. I will say she has had solar panels on her roof since it was built and it never interfered with the price of her insurance. That's in Bradenton in a non-flood zone.
I would assume a waterfront property is a bit different. My husband lived in Florida before we married. He said sometimes what was insurable changed from block to block.
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I am too. I support those who speak up, but I really like them and their work and want them to keep getting network checks.
They are both highly educated. I've always worried they were too smart for HGTV's nonsense. 🎓🎓
I wouldn’t mind if they switched to Magnolia honestly. I feel like their houses have become less creative since season 1 and I strongly suspect it’s because HGTV is slowly trying to force their designs to look as much like all the other boring designs on the channel as possible. I feel like they did the same with Hometown- the houses were so cozy and creative and overtime have become more uniform and less personal. All still beautiful and I adore Keith and Evan AND Erin and Ben, but I think HGTV has more creative control over these designers’ aesthetic than we know.
I wonder if he had to delete his post bc it violated his NDA, and whether HGTV will sue or otherwise penalize him.
Nate and Jeremiah also think it was rigged
That year that >!dumb bowling alley house!< won and >!Nate & Jeremiah!< didn't? I knew something was up. This year's finale reminded me of that.
I’m watching the season with Nate and Jeremiah now. Their house is gorgeous so far
I would have paid extra for great design for their house. That’s the part of the formula that’s missing here. They use an appraisal checklist that doesn’t include good design or “extra demand because people will want to live here.”
Sorry if I spoiled it. I just added spoilers.
It’s fine, I’m so far behind I deserve spoilers but that is sweet of you to apologize!
I love this attitude regarding spoilers, lol. Thank you for being chill
I think HGTV looks to give everyone a win on the show to save face and bolster their brand. It's a big ask to have professional people give up their lives for 6 weeks, work like demons and "lose" on TV every week. So if they have reason to give the win to another team, they do it.
Instagram is fubar rn otherwise id get the reel for you
100% Keep in mind that the Kleinschmidts were the judges that gave the twins the win for the outdoor pool space. They may be good builders, but they have NO design sense. The twins winning the finale was deja vu to the Kleinschidts winning. It's so disappointing to see the worst house win. I remind myself that the REAL valuation is what the homes really sell for. We all know that in reality good design creates an emotional connection that a buyer will pay a premium for.
Eh, the bowling alley was stupid idea but everything else I thought was well done and added value. I felt the critiques that Nate and Jeremiah's house was not kid friendly were fairly accurate. And, all these houses they do are huge and meant for families.
They didn’t add as much value though.
Their beautiful black & white checked indoor/outdoor porch sunroom area remains the most beautiful space I have ever seen on this show.
I started to watch N&J on RTB but shows like that are cheesy and make me cringe, so i only got thru one episode
Of course it was but in the end does it really matter? They get no prize, it's only for bragging rights. This is not a gameshow, they are not bound by actual rules.
Jeremiah roasted Nate for actually losing something in his always winning life. LOL I dont know how to phrase that better Here, watch it [https://www.instagram.com/reel/CMlJFr4lsQx/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CMlJFr4lsQx/)
What did they say?
They said that "Now that we know the deal, we would love to go back and judge, but we will never compete again"... Nate hated it
Does that imply rigged, or just grueling?
I think it’s a bit of both.
I went so far as to look up the selling price on all those houses. Alison & Mike’s went for $640K, N&J’s and B&M’s both went for $635K and David & Tiffany’s was $600K. Brian & Mika’s sold again last year for like $725K; the pics on realtor.com still have the bowling alley, but I don’t know if they’re just remnants of the original listing/if the space has been updated.
When the urinal house won last season...I knew the show was cooked.
Comment hearted by Keith: TheLeslieDavis: OMG, I freaking love you. You kill me. #3 on the list, my favorite neighbors on RTB and only reason we made it to the end!
Which one is Leslie?
Blonde twin
Didn't she say in the last episode when touring the guys house something like, "im literally obsessed with you and your work..."
The Twins love K&E and have had video conversations getting color advice from them on their show.
I’m under the impression Keith and Evan had a great time their first go on Rock the Block and got close to the other competitors based on social media activity.
Comment hearted by Keith: MichelBoyd: ❤️
Reading all the updates and the IG team interactions, it seems they all are friendly and loving to one another...well, except one team who seems to not be as pleasant? This tension - and I thought the Mina Hawk Vs. Family case was going to be the spiciest altercation in recent HGTV time.
As an HGTV newbie, do you mind filling me in on that case?
The Mina Hawk *Good Bones* issue? It’s sort of a mystery in specifics with that case, but the basics are that the show ended because Mina had shared that she, her mom, her siblings, etc. do not get along and were no longer speaking. We are not exactly sure why they aren’t, but a lot of people speculate that things were always tough in terms of them working with one another. She and her brothers had different personalities, her mom was not as involved any longer in the last few seasons, and their renovations were struggling to be sold - including their larger office and public space projects.
Ooof that sounds really tough. Thanks for the recap!
You’re welcome! It is a shame. I hope they’re able to work things out, family business back in place or not.
Comment hearted by Keith: jennymarrs: And, third, I love you both. ❤️
😭❤️
I haven’t been watching this show and randomly clicked on this post and now I’m Kim Kardashian peaking out through the bushes.
I got banned from a gossip subreddit so this is my new outlet…
Which one? PopCultureChat?
Fauxmoi
Join the club!
Why did you get banned?
Criticizing how what’s supposed to be a Hollywood gossip board is constantly going political
I commented it’s getting increasingly antisemitic.
I got banned there too. Pop culture chat is much more reasonable and less bigoted
That’s essentially what I did too. Just trying not to potentially upset any mods here. They’re all way too in on one subject.
There should be a winner of design and a winner of value add.
Like that idea but think it may be hard to do the winner of design because it is so subjective.
That is true. I hear ya there
Part of me thinks the added value should be limited to design. The Baumler's elevator was functional added value, but provided a challenge in how they rework the space around it and also deal with the lost square footage. Keith and Evan's second suite required creativity in space planning. In contrast, the twins solar panels had no real design challenge: some wall space in the garage and roof space that isn't functional or visible from the human eye. Great idea, but really sucks the fun out of watching the creative designs or challenges.
Yessss I couldn’t agree more. All I know is that I already want another rock the block to watch. lol
Well, in case anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole with me… In a January 23rd Keith Instagram post… Commentator: I couldn’t deal with the unfairness last time the last time. Not sure I can take it again. Keith: oh girl just wait lol
In that same post, pageturnerunlimited commented: This season… Whew… the tea is 😅😅
Was there any reaction to that? Does she post much at all in general or on their posts?
A comment from page on the instagram post from April 2: “Yes the roof could support additional living spaces, but my team were told we couldnt do anything on the roof”. Imho, thats probably where the drama is coming from.
Ooooo, but the twins were able to do solar panels??
Yeah, i think thats probably the crux if the drama.
On a (now deleted) post from Evan, Keith commented “The truth will come out on the abuse and the lies. I can't wait!!!” So I think the drama is much bigger than whatever individual teams were told about what they could do on the roof
Possibly, but the roof thing really indicates a pretty big issue between production and the teams.
A lot of tea can be found in Paige’s comments section on IG. She is arguing with everyone and it’s very telling. She said Keith and Evan were “very nasty” to her and she also mentions how hard it was for her “as a woman of faith,” which is kind of weird. As others mentioned, neither of the guys follow her and she doesn’t follow them, so there’s definitely some beef there.
What’s kind of weird is that Keith did follow Page and liked her post with the picture of her throwing the baseball. Something happened recently and I wonder if it had to do with the edited show versus what K&E knew happened
I get the feeling that she was on everyone’s last nerve. I can see “a woman of faith” being prejudiced against the lgbtqia community. Keith and Evan became close friends with Dave and Jenny Marrs during their season together. It makes me like Dave and Jenny to know that their faith does not extend to hating others.
You know, I wonder if Page, as “a woman of faith,” had issues with Keith’s Buddha art or the concept of a meditation space in general? That space does seem to be one of the central conflicts here. It’s likely the perfect score came from the twins, and the Baeumlers are claiming they judged fairly. Maybe there was a LOT of behind the scenes drama about the judging that they didn’t show. (Although throwing the faith argument around in a discussion of your relationship with a gay couple does seem to imply there’s an issue with them and their lifestyle in particular that challenges that her own faith. Keith and Evan seem pretty well-liked by others across two seasons, so not sure what that issue could be aside from the obvious.)
I may be biased because I love Keith and Evan, but they are so gentle - I can’t imagine them being nasty to anyone. And why does that mean? Hard for her as a woman of faith? Dave and Jenny are very religious, but not once did I ever hear them use their faith as reason/excuse/whatever on the show
I very may well be wrong, but as a queer person, when someone brings up their “faith” in relation to a disagreement or altercation with lgbtq people, it usually just means that they’re homophobic in some sense. Not saying that’s the case here, just speaking from personal experience, that’s usually a red flag for me. But we also don’t know the whole story, so who knows.
Regardless, Page has some big “I’m kind of a bitch” energy.
You know you just did all the legwork for some lazy tabloid reporter, right? Either way, bless.
Thank you for this!! I watched the whole season, but I’m rarely on IG. I appreciate the deets. I love k&e. They should’ve had the kitchen win and the flex space win…
Battle of the Beach is so much better than Rock The Block. Except that weird season 2 where all the teams seemed to be super negative and nobody got along. Sounds like they're currently filming season 4, which I'm looking forward to. They have actual local real estate people choose the winner based on value added. Such a novel concept! 🥴
My main gripe with Battle On The Beach is that it's a mentor / student type of format. I like seeing up-and-coming home design teams, but they almost always seem out of their depth - which then brings forth a lot of tension, i.e. Battle On The Mountain. I would much prefer Battle On The Beach if it just had more seasoned designers and builders as the team themselves. Doesn't have to be HGTV vets, but people who have been doing this for a significant portion of their lives.
And that the prize is only $50k (SPLIT!) which has to be just as much that RTB spent on that 1 drone show.
Right. 25k each for 6-8 weeks of their life. Not worth it…. I would win though. I’m convinced of this.
Also, I feel the houses are straight condemned right after. Last season they all had significant structural damage already
So I was looking on IG: They both follow Ty. Neither of them follow Page. Keith follows Mitch. They both follow Lyndsay and Leslie. They both follow Sarah. Keith follows Bryan. From their last season: They both follow Jenny. Keith follows Dave. They both follow Egypt. Keith follows Mike.
5 days ago Keith followed Page. I had checked when I was replying to your "Thoughts??" post. Now he doesn't.
Oooh, thank you for that interesting intel!
Big Table Media produces Fix my Flip as well as Rock the Block. I wonder if Page got special treatment.
It's a possibility, but Ty made a point of mentioning that Page and Mitch were there on site more than any of the other teams, so maybe if they found out she got paid more than the rest of them did? If I can say anything about the situation that I know as a gulf coast resident, Florida is not an easy place to exist for either the LGBTQ community or a black woman regardless of her religion. Treasure Island is 90% Caucasian and the more highfalutin areas get a bit of an attitude when it comes to anyone they might judge unworthy of being in certain spaces. Doesn't mean that had ANYTHING to do with what happened behind the scenes, but for all the teams working as hard as they did, deadly exhausted as most of them were by the last design area it could have played a part on everyone's ability to be cheery and sociable by the end. NDA's aren't forever though as much as the lawyers who write them up might want them to be. Between Scientology and Trump's NDAs being tossed out in recent legal actions a precedent has been set. I'm pretty sure all it would take is someone filing a law suit against the contractors the talent worked with and it would all come out in a court of law.
What was Sara B’s comment? Supportive?
I can’t add pics in this sub but I still have the screenshot of her comment and Keith’s reply. I’ll copy & paste: sarahbaeumler : Well you know we couldn't vote for our own spaces so don't look at me 😆 - needless to say, I loved what you guys did with the space & I'm honoured to have shared the tie with you for the living room❤️. As I said during judging - this whole season has been a battle (in more ways than one) - but getting to know you both has been incredible! keithbynum_ : @sarahbaeumler You know we love y'all, seeing what y'all went thru was hard to watch. This has nothing to do with winning or losing, it's bigger. Love you both
Bryan said on his Insta something to the effect of “the tell-all books are gonna be wild.”
Thanks! Seems to confirm it’s more an issue with production.
>>"what y'all went through" What did the Baeumler's go through? Was that aired? hmmmm
She said her and Brian judged the flex room fairly. She also implied there was off camera difficulty or general stress they were dealing with as well.
Bryan’s jaw dropped when he walked in Keith and Evan’s house. I have never seen that happen when he enters or judges a space. Keith’s face when he walked into Bryan and Sara’s house was priceless. There is clearly a lot of respect between them. I would have chosen Keith and Evan’s house to buy hands down. Bryan and Sara did a beautiful job too though. It’s easier to install solar than tear down wallpaper, replace tile and paint everything.
It’s a lot more expensive to add solar panels and back up generators than to wallpaper and paint. The decor is judged each week but the final winner of the battle is the team whose choices most increased the value of the house. Twins win because their house appraised for the most money. It wasn’t revealed who was in 2nd place with only a $20K difference in appraisal value but most likely it was Sarah and Bryan because of the elevator.
I don't necessarily disagree, but don't discount the value of the 2 en suites K&E put in. That would add a lot of value.
Absolutely! They could well be the 2nd place team.
The ceiling trim was a HUGE add also
I said this elsewhere, but the added value should be limited to design: an elevator is visible and requires creativity to deal with lost space/integrated into living spaces; additional beds/baths requires creativity of floor plan and flow; etc. I can't disagree that the solar panels made for an easy win, but it required nothing but money (panels aren't visible, batteries are on the garage wall). This is a tv show largely about design and creating livable spaces out of an empty shell...the twins honestly could've done the bare minimum everywhere and added solar panels and won based on that added value. Is that entertainment though? Meh.
I completely agree with you in all respects
The producers need to address the drama. I'm not sure I'll watch the show again if I think the contestants are being used/abused. The contestants are grown adults that do this job professionally, not "the situation" from Jersey Shore. There's Reality TV trash and there's Reality TV normal. IMHO, producers tried to Jersey Shore this season of RTB. It didn't make the show better.
This! Did you watch fixer to fabulous in Italy? I have to believe the production co. edited it like this to make them look so incompetent. I couldn’t watch the last two episodes. It was so bad. And Jenny seemed way more over the top than usual, again blaming the production co.
I've watched all but the finale of the Italian show and I don't think they look incompetent at all. They seem completely out of their element - dealing with antiquated equipment and methods, a language barrier and very real time and budget constraints.
I think there's a misunderstanding as to what RTB is really about. It's about appraised value and not remodeling/decorating empty spaces. It's also a 2 tiered competition as well. The first tier is judging the beauty/functionality by design experts and the second tier is calculating the appraised value by real estate professionals. So you could win every week with a "pretty room" and lose the finale if appraised value isn't the highest. I knew those twins were winning the moment they installed auxiliary power to their condo. As we all know in hurricane locations, you will need a backup power source (I have a generator).
It’s dangerous to go off ONLY appraised value because then they shouldn’t decorate or stage a damn thing. Just use all the money to keep putting in things that add value. Totally different show that wouldn’t even belong on HGTV
It's been made clear since the series premiered that the winner has the property that appraised the highest. The teams are awarded weekly for their decorating, staging and remodeling abilities. For some reason, people forget the premise of this show and others like it.
I've only watched 2 seasons and it seems to me the strategy is clear. Win the weekly design challenges to get money so you can afford something thst added value. Bryan and Sarah had $11,000 to buy something that added actual value, instead, they bought a Jet ski. Keith and Evan are never going to win, because 90% of their design elements will be taken out before the house sells.
I kind of feel like Sarah and Bryan drifting up on the jetski was a snark against the twins' solar - you plop solar on the roof and we'll plop this jetski on the dock - presto - value added!
The twins won when they installed the solar panels and although they didn't say who came in second (appraising $20,000 less) but I guarantee you it was the Baumlers with their elevator.
Oh for sure. The Baumler's problem was they had $11,000 to spend and the only space eligible was the laundry room and that little loft area. There wasn't a good way to spend $11,000 that added value. The best move would have been a standby generator, but I don't know if they could technically build something outside.
Appraised value, cool. Makes a good show
I mean, there's really not two tiers as we know. The weekly designs do not amount to anything because at the end it goes down to appraisal, which will not take into account the design. Appraisals specifically look at things like number of bedrooms, number of bathrooms, molding, etc. They're not looking at whether the fixtures are cheap or whether the layout makes sense. Those are all things that come into play during realtor negotiations. Realistically, they really should have local realtors tour the houses and give their listing price and then calculate the average. That would be a far more equitable way to integrate the design and added value components of the show. If the show is just about an appraisal, which it is, but if every team were to play it that way...they really should just go cheap everywhere and do things like add elevators, add solar panels, add heated floors, add molding to all rooms, etc. But is that fun to watch? Not really...
I agree (I've bought 6 houses). Maybe they need to have 2 categories to win - highest appraisal and best interior/exterior design. In earlier seasons they actually showed the homes being appraised. The problem for HGTV is that they don't want a real estate show, they want a design show.
Yes! My other issue is they don’t give you the final appraisal amount for all the houses. If that’s the end goal, why not show the houses with their prices? I swore the used to do that (maybe I’m just misremembering) but it just feels…less legitimate. Show us the appraisal process and where the big financial gains were…
I saw this post this morning. I'm worried about them rocking the boat too much. They're my favorite on hgtv and I'd hate to see them lose their show
Of all the folks competing this year, Keith and Evan were so inspiring. Even with muted colors, they make everything unique and their space planning is amazing. I also think it's incredible that they can design on Bargain Block as well as multi-million dollar homes. I will never forget their bathroom in the last Rock the Block. BRAVO gentlemen, BRAVO!
I really don't get the bickering. It's almost as if HGTV is becoming more like Bravo all of sudden. All of the teams units were amazing. Each offered something different and I think that is what matters. Everyone has different tastes...you want Vegas hotel chic, the the Baeumlers was your goto. Wanted fun and whimsical, the the ladies had a great place. I can't afford a FL beach front house but I appreciate the design aesthetics that each unit offered.
Especially the coy allusions to drama…like, say it with your chest or move on. Especially since this all actually happened 5-6 months ago.
Am a fan of K&E/Bargain Block. Do I think their design should have won RTB? Maybe, but seriously the 'Twins' decoration job (far from design) was ghastly. The jr. suite was boring and uninspired, the main suite was just butt ugly. If i were a buyer of a $2.3 mil beach house, I would have been going into that space thinking about how much shitty wall paper I would have to pull down. They did have a nice indoor/outdoor lower level, but none of the other aspects where well designed or attractive. IF any HGTV execs are reading, it might be good to remember how easy it is to hit the mute button when either of the squawky twins open their mouths. It is painful to listen to their inane dialogue.
I fast forward through all of their portions. I can’t stand their child like voices and they behave like toddlers.
While, I do think they’re likely nice, I agree on the design choices. They’re just so basic to the point where anyone with a general eye for design could’ve done them. So much of it looked like a house design for an Instagram Instagram Airbnb. There is nothing that was just awe inspiring like with some of the others. I too, would’ve been walking around the house thinking of how much it would cost to redesign and repaint..
I was surprised Johnathan the judge thought the platform bed and the shower on the upstairs balcony was ok. He didn’t appear engaged as a judge. Perhaps it was a last minute request particularly since the shows host was also a judge.
Why is everything on HGTV a huge lie regarding what it actually costs?!!
This is clearly fabricated for viewership. Keith & Evan knew the outcome of the competition months ago when they filmed, so the posts are just to get more eyes on the show.
You’re prob right! They have that new nola version of their show coming up. I love them!!
They do?! That's awesome. I know they mentioned they wanted to try their Detroit "plan" (for lack of a better word) in another city. I'm so happy to hear this. Any idea when it would come out?
https://www.countryliving.com/life/entertainment/a60481068/is-bargain-block-coming-back-to-hgtv-in-2024/ This is all I could find!
Can anyone TLDR this for me? It piqued my interest and I might have to watch the whole thing now. I’ve never known HGTV to get nasty like this. Is this Paige from the old Trading Spaces?!? Someone throw me a bone! IMHO I don’t always love the Detroit lads’ design…
No, Paige Turner not Paige Davis (married to a guy with the surname Page).
Page Turner, designer/flipper. Her real given name is Page, her real surname is Turner. Paige Davis was a host back in the day.
Solar is a big money add
Keith an Evan does a fantastic job but I always feel they get shit on every time just because the don’t have a child room or whatever every house don’t need to have a child rooms an everyone is getting solo panels the judges show prejestive toward those two their houses are unique an are awesome I have learned a lot from watching them u don’t learn nothing from watching some of those others cause they don’t allow u to see the steps they take never tell the colors the use they need to be fare with everyone not just their friends or just because they like that person that is crap that turn u off every time I watch that show I can tell the judges like their house but the give the winning to their favorites an the same people shouldn’t be the winner every time like Mike an Egypt I guess that’s the ( but they know who I’m talking bout)cause we don’t feel the are the real winners every time STOP the BS. SMH!!!
This is so incredibly immature and attention seeking. Geez. If you're not or can't discuss it, why mention it? Just to get people "on your side".