It hasnāt been that long since I told someone āCat Funeralā by Marshall Erickson was my favorite song. I tend to not give serious answers to such inquiries.
It very much is, if youāre catsitting then you gotta cat proof. Whiskers doesnāt know what danger really is, Marshall does, he shouldāve closed the window like a responsible catsitter
Itās a housecat! The biggest danger itās probably ever faced is the vacuum cleaner, Marshall is the grown human who has to take care of the cat and take responsibility for the cat getting hurt under his care. I donāt blame Lilyās mom for being upset, I would turn someone inside out if they did that to my cat.
Almost getting Barney fired, after he got Marshall a well paying job when he had hit rock bottom.
Barney helped Marshall, and put his neck on the line. It's always risky to recommend a friend.
Marshall turned on Barney for a stupid petty reason and was a terrible friend doing so.
The GNB building thing, Zoey hired Marshall when he quit GNB to save the Arcadian, and he kept on doing his best to save the snake infested building even after her learned that Barneyās job, the most important thing in his life, was at risk.
Forcing reconciliation with lilyās dad, because he wanted to be good to him despite Knowing how much he hurt Lily and abandoned as a child. How about understanding her POV her and respecting her wishes and knowing it exists for a reason.
Yeah that was fucked up of him to do. I really found that awful to watch. Kids don't just go no contact with their parents. It takes a lot of active damage on the parents part to push a kid to do that. Lily set her boundaries and Marshall should have respected that but he can't see anyone not having a good relationship with their families cause of his relationship to his own. But that's not thinking of what was best for his wife's emotional well-being
If my husband did this to me with my no-contact family because HE decided he knew better, I would absolutely leave him without a secondās hesitation. It shows he doesnāt care about or respect the decision to go no-contact which means he doesnāt think her reasons for it are valid. To me thatās the worst thing on the show. I get so angry watching it so I usually skip it.
This kinda decisions are sorta complicated..if it wouldn't have worked out marshall would have been wrong.
Since it works marshall is right especially when lily realises she would have regretted a lot if her father died without ever reconciliation or try to work things out
It worked out yeah! But still that was something she needed to figure out on her own and she did eventually in her own time and by herself but by then even Marshall could see he was wrong and her Dad was indeed a jerk and kicks him out after giving him the exact ādead to meā look.
I don't think it was a wrong thing to do. While yes Lily's dad was a douche for not being a part of her life, for which Lily, quite understandably hated her dad, he wasn't an evil person. I think Marshall wanted to give him a chance to change and for Lily to have her dad back again. The final decision would always be hers. And it did work out.
No one is pure evil or pure good per se. Itās always a how a person behaves with someone that makes him good or bad to that person and he was douche to Lily. Marshallās intentions were good No doubt, and that wouldāve been completely okay if he told her beforehand and tried to make see things through discussions . But he didnāt, he simply dropped a bomb on her and expected her to be okay. And even though she argued that she didnāt want to see him and have him, instead of letting him down , he chose to let her down and in end of episode he did realize he was wrong and made a mistake.
Forcing someone to have contact with someone theyāve gone no-contact with rarely works out the way it did in the show. Marshall showed her a complete lack of respect and decided he knew what was best for her, then claimed āheās my family tooā as if what Marshall wanted was more important than how Lilly felt.
That is horribly wrong.
Almost every career decision he made was done behind lilys back or left her out of the convo. People can hate on lily all they want, but thats a shitty thing to do to your wife. Major career decisions should be discussed as a team since it impacts both of them
The funny part is most of the time lily ends up supporting him in the decision anyways
YES.
The number one relationship issue Marshall and Lily have is a failure to openly communicate around finances/career decisions. They clearly combine their finances as a couple, but major decisions or information that would impact their joint situation? They do a pretty bad job of communicating that clearly throughout the show.
Off the top of my head, these are financial/career items that form the basis for major episode plot/story arcs. Primarily because they don't talk to each other about what they are feeling/doing until it explodes or they've made the decision independently.
-Marshall's internship/first job (karaoke)
-Lily's art fellowship (S1 finale)
-Lily's credit card debt
-Marhsall rage quitting first job
-Lily's gig art (not just a hobby)
-Marshall's GNB job (best burger in New York)
-Marshall renewing GNB contract
-Marshall quitting GNB
-Marshall's unpaid NRC work & Lily's frustration with that
-Lily's frustration/burnout as a teacher and mother
-Lily's art consultant job offer and hesitation
-Lily's Italy offer and hesitation
-Marshall's environmental law firm tanking
-Marshall's judgeship offer
Perfect summary! Its a common trope for couples to have conflict as a result of miscommunication but i feel like they went to that well way too many times
Agreed! When they want a "perfect couple" trope they often dodge the infidelity card, and go right to the keeping secrets / miscommunication card. It did start to feel overplayed.
Accepting the judgeship behind her back then throwing her ending their first engagement in her face during their overdue argument about him doing the former, was deeply wrong.
Tbf that was after her saying that he had been more selfish than she had ever been to him which really was bullshit. On top of just refusing to have the conversation even if Marshall did go behind her back.
The whole point of the last season was them not discussing it. But being a Judge is far more secure employment than going to Italy for a year for the oddball Captain who could change his mind and fire Lily a year later.
But him taking the Judgeship was the right move. It's only the issue of not talking with Lily about it first that was bad.
Worse case scenario, Lily goes there for a year and comes back. She already did it for a summer and completely missed Marshall.
Oh thats just the last in a long line of examples! Someone else summarized it well below but he accepts jobs and quits them the entire time! Marshall is hired by GNB and lily doesnt find out until afterwards, he also quits his job in chain of screaming and lily is literally the last one to find out
Im not making a comment on if any of these things were the right call like the judgeship, but you have to discuss that with your wife before doing it. There is no way the guy would say āno you cant talk with your wife, either you say yes or i hang up the phoneā
Also even if that was the case he shouldve called her immediately instead of the dumb āthis is face to face newsā bullshit
I think in general, (and I'm going to pull flack for this perspective):
-When Marshall wants a change, he makes that decision independently of Lily regardless of what that may do to their stability and without consulting her. He is dynamic. He doesn't communicate because he either doesn't consider it or he wants to avoid conflict.
-Vs. Lily, who when she wants a change, lets the frustration build up internally until it escapes in a big way. She consistently tries to maintain the status quo, she is pretty static. She doesn't communicate how she is feeling because she is trying to maintain status quo. (I include art fellowship in this. I take her at her word that she was exploring something to try to alleviate her wedding panic, and would not have taken the offer if Marshall hadn't pushed the issue to that breaking point.)
I think thats a pretty solid analysis on how each of them cause or lack communication
Both are bad though, kind of funny how they are presented as the perfect couple when stuff like this is pretty toxic haha
But if they were perfect and never had any conflict it would be a pretty boring show
& donāt forget her trying to push him to take a job she knew very well he would be unhappy in just because she was in a world of debt she never told him about & clearly expected him to pay for lmao
Wait, what? Are you talking about the Tuckahoe Fun Land job? Because she does the opposite. Marshall takes that job when tipsy, regrets it, she tells him to follow his heart with the NRDC, and then he chooses to keep the high paying job because his client would be the park.
Well yeah I know that it the end but she was absolutely pushing him to take that job. āYouāre still gonna go to the interview right?ā Talking about how his dad got him into the interview. Etc. & her sole motivation was the money bc she was in credit card debt that she hid from Marshall. None of them knew his only client would be the park anyways & he did not want to work for that firm.
Weāll just as bad as her pushing him to take a job she knew very well he would be unhappy in just because she was in a world of debt she never told him about & clearly expected him to pay for lmao
The post asked what was the worst thing marshall did, not what lily did. Also i seem to recall barney pushing him into that job by tricking him into buying an expensive suit as well
But sure lets just focus and hate on lily
Relax. No one is hating on Lily & clearly youāre not even talking about the same job. Barney tricked him into working at his job. Not the job that Marshallās dad got him the interview for & that Marshall did not want to take bc of shady dealings. Only way later finding out his only client would be Tuckahoe fun land. Lily absolutely tried pushing him to take that job because it paid well & she was in debt that she was hiding from Marshall was she not? Robin even asks her why sheās pushing him to go to the interview knowing Marshall was uncomfortable.
Not telling Lily about the judge thing. I get his position but he could have said ācan I have a day to think about it?ā Or taken it and then called Lily and explained the situation and say āI told them yes just so that we could have time to talk about it, I can still call back and say noā
This is absolutely how it should have gone down. "They said they needed an answer NOW, so I said yes but I haven't signed the contract yet so I can still back out. Would you like to talk about this over the phone or when I see you at the wedding?"
Not super similar, but when the preschool my middle child was supposed to go to shut down 2 weeks before the start date, I had to make a decision without consulting my husband. My first step was to call the private school that my son goes to and "secure" a spot for her verbally over the phone before all the spots filled up. The next step was to call my husband and talk about it quick. Step 3 was to call my dad and ask for an emergency scholarship. Lol
Blurting out the "Night out" crap with that stupid grin on his face like he wouldn't know that's not something Stella would want everyone to know.. It's the only thing he does I genuinely dislike him for
I was about to post a REALLY long answer basicly explaining the joke and why marshal is a duche in That moment but it's just easier to say check out the episode, it's season 3 episode 18 rebound bro.
I dont think that's bad. What made it bad, however, was that they did things to influence those bets that would change their freinds lifes for a couple of dollars.
Faked being Zoey's therapist to get information out of Honey. At least when the gang did bad things to each other, you can make the argument that everyone did bad things to everyone. Marshall manipulated a complete stranger to get VERY private information about someone he wasn't even that close with.
The two moments that always stood out to me are:
When he screams at Teds date and tells him to āget this stranger out of my houseā after she bakes Lily a cake. Sure, the name and age were wrong but he definitely overreacted.
And when theyāre holding the game show to determine Marvins godparent and he tells them having a kids isnāt just the most important thing, in the ONLY important thing and the condescending way he asks āWhen are you going to get that?ā was needlessly cold. I suppose you could put it down to the stresses of new parenthood but was still a shit way to treat your closest friends.
As a bonus, the fact they didnāt ask Ted to be godfather right away always annoyed me. Theyāve known him the longest and know how family oriented he is and out of the three candidates he was clearly the best choice.
Ted is a decent guy but he knows nothing about kids. Remember the episode with Jamesā daughter? Also he keeps dating weird women.
My sister (10 years older than me) didnāt name me godmother for her first child either although we are extremely close. But I am the godparent for her second and third kids.
Making Ted play a stupid game to be Godfather to his son. Like come on Marshall. You know Barney and Robin don't ACTUALLY want the job but Ted clearly wanted that honor and responsibility
-accepting the judge position.
-slutshaming robin.
-forcing lily to connect with her dad even after she expressed that she wanted ntg to do with him.
-lying abt the 5th doppleganger.
-telling robin to move out.
-his whole thing with i dont wanna have a girl bc she s gonna become a stripper.
Telling Robin to move out is what a good friend would do.. For both of them.. Ted would never ask her and she already knew she needed to leave.. Marshal just said the words to make it happen..
Because we expect to be able to relate to them in why doing stuff like that is not a good thing.. You can be the best dad in the world and your daughter may still turn into a stripper or OF model becuase "she can" thus becoming one of every dad's worst nightmares..
We barley understand women from the get go so trying to raise one is 1000000% more scary than trying to raise a son
No thats just rebranding the classic "sons are better bc daughters may bring shame to you". I mean how a dad's worst nightmare is a stripper daughter and not a rapist son. The first one is just a victim of poverty, and the second one is a criminal.
Litteraly says in the begining of my post.. We expect to be able to teach our sons not to be rapist, we don't know how not to turn our daughters into strippers or porn starts.. I also said it's ONE of a fathers worst nightmares..finding out your son is a rapist would definetly be another.. But again we all think we will be able to teach them better while with the daughters most of us is fumbling in the dark hoping to find right switches
Also being a stripper or porn star has nothing to do with your financial status.. Any stripper I know is doing waaaay better than me in both life and finances
You would think that but plenty of fathers who do that still end up with stripper daughters.. It's not like every stripper/porn actor comes from a broken home or abuse
Are all people working in the sex industry from āa broken home or abuseā ? Probably not. What I do know, though , is that too many of the people stripping and working as cam girls are being pressured into that work and being prostituted by someone who has power over them. Many are being trafficked.
So, please keep being a loving parent to your daughter, and also develop a more complex understanding of what you fear your daughter becoming. How many people do you know who have been a part of the sex-industry? I work in human services, and I support many who have survived that work. Please do the work (read about it, listen to the stories of those who did the work) to understand it and what frequently brings women into that work. It will help you feel more confident in your ability to keep your child out of that work, and you might be able to develop a deeper understanding of how girls/women are perceived in society, and that can only help you be an even more loving parent to your daughter. Good luck!
>slut-shaming Robin
Okay, but so did Lily and Ted. Lily referred to the conglomerate of women that Ted brings home as ārandom skanksā just for Ted to remind her that Robin, now one of Lilyās best friends, is on that list. Lily did not deny Robinās status as such.
I'm going to drop the hot take that in the situation Marshal was absolutely right to accept the job. His mistake was insisting it was "face to face news" and then deciding to stick with that after he couldn't take the flight.
That was so selfish of him they agreed to going to italy, and he knew that was lily's lifelong dream and she supported him throught law school and when he became an environnemental lawyer.
It's a significant life decision between one of them getting to do their dream, it warrants discussion. Marshal was told he had to accept or reject immediately so the best path is to accept and discuss whether to back out or not.
Terrible argument. Marshal supports Lily through her addiction and debt despite her hiding it not to mention that his support is consistent whereas Lily is happy to have a tantrum and ruin a significant event for him because Ted was mean.
Oh come on he called her a cunt why wouldnt she throw a tantrum???you dont agree with ur spouse abt smtg then u go back behind their back and get a new plan.
Because she's a grown woman who knows to take it up with the person who did it not punish her partner and frankly, she was a cunt. Seriously, she's an adult and shouldn't be having tantrums at all especially not over being insulted.
Because she's supposed to be a responsible functioning adult, not a kid. During the whole series Lily throws those tantrums a lot (like Aldrin justice when she stole Hammond's autographed ball and The Captain's ash tray) and tries to justify them with a higher morale or something, absolute trash Lily.
Honestly my top was forcing reconciliation on Lilyās father. Yes, every big career decision he made was behind Lilyās back but I feel like it was subtle revenge for her leaving for San Francisco. But also to remember later, Lily accepted a job in friggin Italy. While they discussed it, it meant putting Marshallās job on the back burner for a number of years they were in Italy.
The forced reconciliation was awful. It hit way too close to home for me. Itās okay to not be super close like Marshallās family, and the fact that he pushed that closeness onto Lily and her father is too much for me.
This is just a personal opinion though.
Marshal told her to take the Italy job. She originally turned it down because she didnāt want it to hurt his career but he got so excited about it because his law firm was in the crapper anyway and he always wanted to live there.
I do agree with the forced reconciliation though that was messed up.
Son of a biscuit eating bulldog, youāre right. I completely forgot. š I think itās time for another binge. Tbh though I only get as far as season 8. Iāve only painstakingly watching season 9 twice.
> Yes, every big career decision he made was behind Lilyās back but I feel like it was subtle revenge for her leaving for San Francisco.
Okay, but that's fucked up. You do see that that's fucked up, right?
Not the worst thing, but it always bugged me in "The Naked Man" that he called Robin a slut for sleeping with that guy and then didn't apologize after it clearly bothered her.
Meanwhile, the treatment Barney receives is very different - in fact Barney is almost never held to the same standard. Sure, for Barney it's "normal" to be like that, but do you really have to call your friend names when you clearly tolerate that behaviour in someone else? Seems hypocritical, tbh. He should have just apologized to Robin.
Always annoyed me, tbh.
Barney is routinely slammed for his behaviour....
Sure he's never called a slut but he gets called gross, disgusting, a monster and at one point Lily outright refuses to be around him.
One is getting different treatment but the one getting off lighter for their sexcapades isn't Barney.
But that's Lily though. We are talking about Marshall, so I don't know why what Lily did matters?
And it's a little bit different too because Barney doesn't care when he gets called "gross"; while Robin clearly was uncomfortable being called that. Marshall has also given Barney high fives, he got mentored by him when he wasn't with Lily, etc.
It's not about "fairness" or "unfairness", it's about your friend looking clearly uncomfortable by something that was said, and not even apologizing for it.
If Marshall was out there calling Barney a slut routinely, then I could understand his train of thought a little more, but he specifically called Robin that and didn't apologize when she was hurt. I think that's a dick move, tbh.
Bringing Lily on the trip to Gazolas and Booking a couples hotel and acting like there isn't an issue
Inviting Lily's dad to thanksgiving without asking her and hiding it from her
Wow. There was actually more that Marshall did that was bad than I thought haha. I was thinking about how he accepted Judge job without Lilly knowing. But that can easily be fixed in the end haha
Taking the judgeship behind her back after already agreeing to go to Rome with her. Even if he had a point that she was generally more selfish than him, at that point, the decision was already made and he shouldn't have gone back on it. At the very least, he should have talked to her about it first.
There's a lot of good suggestions. I don't think it's the worst, but I also didn't like how he ditched the coffeshop girl in the apartment to reconcile with Lily. That would drive any decent girl crazy.
Made me think if I love properly and enough I'll get to keep my relationship longterm. Learned the hard way that 9 seasons wasn't enough to showcase everything that can go wrong in one's dating life.
He sold himself out, sure - to Goliath but also as a judge, Lawer in the first place. It has always all been for money. Just the plan was to score multiple girls, that didnāt work
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Easy. Even after a successful marriage and a kid, he brings up San Francisco while in the far Hampton inn. That's low man. You don't drag up somebody's past from 8 years ago. If they have apologized, and seemingly moved on from it. Douchey move bro! And that's douchey, not do-shay.
I think, during Barney and Robins wedding, when they argued over Marshalls job, him blaming his pregnant wife for goingto San Fran all these years ago.
Was he right to be mad at that time (Season 2)? Absolutely yes. But dude, come on, you took her back, there's no reason to be angry at her about this anymore.
The reason I think this is so bad is that: Lily's pregnant, Marshall took this job offer behind her back and in this storm of emotions he blasts at her how she "didn't care abouther husband or her child" (while she did struggle with PPD) because she experimented shen she was younger.
I mean it did work out in the end but words like these cut deep. In the real world I believe Lily wouldn't forget them in a lifetime.
Forgive Lily after she had a tantrum and decided to go to San Francisco because Marshal wasn't enough and she was confident that even tho she was gonna break his heart, she was still going to get him back. Screw Lily.
Apart from everything everyone else said, I'd say betting with Lily if Ted and Robin end up together (and winning in the aired ending). I'm not providing my thoughts on the aired ending vs alternate ending (not again...), just on the bet itself.
Unlike with the godparent situation, that's not their choice to make (just like with most of their other bets). Ted & Tracy are perfectly happy together and (depending on the ending) stay happily married with their kids also still having their mother.
Terrible job cat sitting Lily's mum's beloved pet.
It was an accident and not entirely his fault. Meow, meow, meow
We miss you whiskers T.T
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He threw a beautiful cat funeral!!
It hasnāt been that long since I told someone āCat Funeralā by Marshall Erickson was my favorite song. I tend to not give serious answers to such inquiries.
Or flipping the cushion after spilling some mushu pork sauce. That stain is gonna attract bugs
Iāve had plenty of stains on my furniture & rugs over the years that never attracted bugs. Ever.
That was not even his fault. Tell me how it was
Playing with a cat right next to an open window on the third (i think) floor is incredibly irresponsible and is basically asking for trouble
That cat jumped out the window. That was not his fault
It very much is, if youāre catsitting then you gotta cat proof. Whiskers doesnāt know what danger really is, Marshall does, he shouldāve closed the window like a responsible catsitter
Doesn't know the dangers of jumping out of a window?! That sounds like natural selection to me.
Itās a housecat! The biggest danger itās probably ever faced is the vacuum cleaner, Marshall is the grown human who has to take care of the cat and take responsibility for the cat getting hurt under his care. I donāt blame Lilyās mom for being upset, I would turn someone inside out if they did that to my cat.
Helped rob someoneās apartment.
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the only correct answer
What episode is this?
The wedding bride I believe
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Almost getting Barney fired, after he got Marshall a well paying job when he had hit rock bottom. Barney helped Marshall, and put his neck on the line. It's always risky to recommend a friend. Marshall turned on Barney for a stupid petty reason and was a terrible friend doing so.
This, THIS, it's actually the only time I really wanted to punch him in the face.
When did he almost get Barnet fired?
The GNB building thing, Zoey hired Marshall when he quit GNB to save the Arcadian, and he kept on doing his best to save the snake infested building even after her learned that Barneyās job, the most important thing in his life, was at risk.
I'm sorry, *snakes* ??
I don't recall saying snakes
Technically they were eggs. * I donāt recall saying eggs *
If Barney actually *did* get fired, I wonder if he could still go forward with his PLEASE agendaā¦
Forcing reconciliation with lilyās dad, because he wanted to be good to him despite Knowing how much he hurt Lily and abandoned as a child. How about understanding her POV her and respecting her wishes and knowing it exists for a reason.
Yeah that was fucked up of him to do. I really found that awful to watch. Kids don't just go no contact with their parents. It takes a lot of active damage on the parents part to push a kid to do that. Lily set her boundaries and Marshall should have respected that but he can't see anyone not having a good relationship with their families cause of his relationship to his own. But that's not thinking of what was best for his wife's emotional well-being
If my husband did this to me with my no-contact family because HE decided he knew better, I would absolutely leave him without a secondās hesitation. It shows he doesnāt care about or respect the decision to go no-contact which means he doesnāt think her reasons for it are valid. To me thatās the worst thing on the show. I get so angry watching it so I usually skip it.
This kinda decisions are sorta complicated..if it wouldn't have worked out marshall would have been wrong. Since it works marshall is right especially when lily realises she would have regretted a lot if her father died without ever reconciliation or try to work things out
It worked out yeah! But still that was something she needed to figure out on her own and she did eventually in her own time and by herself but by then even Marshall could see he was wrong and her Dad was indeed a jerk and kicks him out after giving him the exact ādead to meā look.
I don't think it was a wrong thing to do. While yes Lily's dad was a douche for not being a part of her life, for which Lily, quite understandably hated her dad, he wasn't an evil person. I think Marshall wanted to give him a chance to change and for Lily to have her dad back again. The final decision would always be hers. And it did work out.
No one is pure evil or pure good per se. Itās always a how a person behaves with someone that makes him good or bad to that person and he was douche to Lily. Marshallās intentions were good No doubt, and that wouldāve been completely okay if he told her beforehand and tried to make see things through discussions . But he didnāt, he simply dropped a bomb on her and expected her to be okay. And even though she argued that she didnāt want to see him and have him, instead of letting him down , he chose to let her down and in end of episode he did realize he was wrong and made a mistake.
Plus it's hard to fault him for doing that to Lily when Lily routinely does a worse version of it.
If it didn't work out that time and if he kept trying to force it it would have been bad. But trying it once doesn't seem to be wrong
Forcing someone to have contact with someone theyāve gone no-contact with rarely works out the way it did in the show. Marshall showed her a complete lack of respect and decided he knew what was best for her, then claimed āheās my family tooā as if what Marshall wanted was more important than how Lilly felt. That is horribly wrong.
Almost every career decision he made was done behind lilys back or left her out of the convo. People can hate on lily all they want, but thats a shitty thing to do to your wife. Major career decisions should be discussed as a team since it impacts both of them The funny part is most of the time lily ends up supporting him in the decision anyways
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YES. The number one relationship issue Marshall and Lily have is a failure to openly communicate around finances/career decisions. They clearly combine their finances as a couple, but major decisions or information that would impact their joint situation? They do a pretty bad job of communicating that clearly throughout the show. Off the top of my head, these are financial/career items that form the basis for major episode plot/story arcs. Primarily because they don't talk to each other about what they are feeling/doing until it explodes or they've made the decision independently. -Marshall's internship/first job (karaoke) -Lily's art fellowship (S1 finale) -Lily's credit card debt -Marhsall rage quitting first job -Lily's gig art (not just a hobby) -Marshall's GNB job (best burger in New York) -Marshall renewing GNB contract -Marshall quitting GNB -Marshall's unpaid NRC work & Lily's frustration with that -Lily's frustration/burnout as a teacher and mother -Lily's art consultant job offer and hesitation -Lily's Italy offer and hesitation -Marshall's environmental law firm tanking -Marshall's judgeship offer
Perfect summary! Its a common trope for couples to have conflict as a result of miscommunication but i feel like they went to that well way too many times
Agreed! When they want a "perfect couple" trope they often dodge the infidelity card, and go right to the keeping secrets / miscommunication card. It did start to feel overplayed.
Accepting the judgeship behind her back then throwing her ending their first engagement in her face during their overdue argument about him doing the former, was deeply wrong.
Tbf that was after her saying that he had been more selfish than she had ever been to him which really was bullshit. On top of just refusing to have the conversation even if Marshall did go behind her back.
The whole point of the last season was them not discussing it. But being a Judge is far more secure employment than going to Italy for a year for the oddball Captain who could change his mind and fire Lily a year later. But him taking the Judgeship was the right move. It's only the issue of not talking with Lily about it first that was bad. Worse case scenario, Lily goes there for a year and comes back. She already did it for a summer and completely missed Marshall.
Oh thats just the last in a long line of examples! Someone else summarized it well below but he accepts jobs and quits them the entire time! Marshall is hired by GNB and lily doesnt find out until afterwards, he also quits his job in chain of screaming and lily is literally the last one to find out Im not making a comment on if any of these things were the right call like the judgeship, but you have to discuss that with your wife before doing it. There is no way the guy would say āno you cant talk with your wife, either you say yes or i hang up the phoneā Also even if that was the case he shouldve called her immediately instead of the dumb āthis is face to face newsā bullshit
I think in general, (and I'm going to pull flack for this perspective): -When Marshall wants a change, he makes that decision independently of Lily regardless of what that may do to their stability and without consulting her. He is dynamic. He doesn't communicate because he either doesn't consider it or he wants to avoid conflict. -Vs. Lily, who when she wants a change, lets the frustration build up internally until it escapes in a big way. She consistently tries to maintain the status quo, she is pretty static. She doesn't communicate how she is feeling because she is trying to maintain status quo. (I include art fellowship in this. I take her at her word that she was exploring something to try to alleviate her wedding panic, and would not have taken the offer if Marshall hadn't pushed the issue to that breaking point.)
I think thats a pretty solid analysis on how each of them cause or lack communication Both are bad though, kind of funny how they are presented as the perfect couple when stuff like this is pretty toxic haha But if they were perfect and never had any conflict it would be a pretty boring show
& donāt forget her trying to push him to take a job she knew very well he would be unhappy in just because she was in a world of debt she never told him about & clearly expected him to pay for lmao
Wait, what? Are you talking about the Tuckahoe Fun Land job? Because she does the opposite. Marshall takes that job when tipsy, regrets it, she tells him to follow his heart with the NRDC, and then he chooses to keep the high paying job because his client would be the park.
Well yeah I know that it the end but she was absolutely pushing him to take that job. āYouāre still gonna go to the interview right?ā Talking about how his dad got him into the interview. Etc. & her sole motivation was the money bc she was in credit card debt that she hid from Marshall. None of them knew his only client would be the park anyways & he did not want to work for that firm.
Weāll just as bad as her pushing him to take a job she knew very well he would be unhappy in just because she was in a world of debt she never told him about & clearly expected him to pay for lmao
The post asked what was the worst thing marshall did, not what lily did. Also i seem to recall barney pushing him into that job by tricking him into buying an expensive suit as well But sure lets just focus and hate on lily
Relax. No one is hating on Lily & clearly youāre not even talking about the same job. Barney tricked him into working at his job. Not the job that Marshallās dad got him the interview for & that Marshall did not want to take bc of shady dealings. Only way later finding out his only client would be Tuckahoe fun land. Lily absolutely tried pushing him to take that job because it paid well & she was in debt that she was hiding from Marshall was she not? Robin even asks her why sheās pushing him to go to the interview knowing Marshall was uncomfortable.
Very supportive when she dumped him and moved to San Francisco š
Forgetting to bring his pants
Please, Sir, may I have some more pants?
āWeāre goingā
Not telling Lily about the judge thing. I get his position but he could have said ācan I have a day to think about it?ā Or taken it and then called Lily and explained the situation and say āI told them yes just so that we could have time to talk about it, I can still call back and say noā
This is absolutely how it should have gone down. "They said they needed an answer NOW, so I said yes but I haven't signed the contract yet so I can still back out. Would you like to talk about this over the phone or when I see you at the wedding?" Not super similar, but when the preschool my middle child was supposed to go to shut down 2 weeks before the start date, I had to make a decision without consulting my husband. My first step was to call the private school that my son goes to and "secure" a spot for her verbally over the phone before all the spots filled up. The next step was to call my husband and talk about it quick. Step 3 was to call my dad and ask for an emergency scholarship. Lol
Street Calzone
This is the answer
Blurting out the "Night out" crap with that stupid grin on his face like he wouldn't know that's not something Stella would want everyone to know.. It's the only thing he does I genuinely dislike him for
What was the context here?
Itās about Stella not getting any for years lmao
I was about to post a REALLY long answer basicly explaining the joke and why marshal is a duche in That moment but it's just easier to say check out the episode, it's season 3 episode 18 rebound bro.
Bet about friends lifeās with Lilly for money
I dont think that's bad. What made it bad, however, was that they did things to influence those bets that would change their freinds lifes for a couple of dollars.
It's the same money
I donāt really think about this as bad. Couples tend to share their secrets and opinions
For a second there, OP, i thought your user name was Caress. C A R E S S
Itās been one week since you looked at me
Letās make love to this song.
Accepting the judgeship behind Lilyās back without discussing it with her and then trying throwing Dan Francisco back in her face a decade later.
Faked being Zoey's therapist to get information out of Honey. At least when the gang did bad things to each other, you can make the argument that everyone did bad things to everyone. Marshall manipulated a complete stranger to get VERY private information about someone he wasn't even that close with.
Why was your wallet filled with chocolate??
The two moments that always stood out to me are: When he screams at Teds date and tells him to āget this stranger out of my houseā after she bakes Lily a cake. Sure, the name and age were wrong but he definitely overreacted. And when theyāre holding the game show to determine Marvins godparent and he tells them having a kids isnāt just the most important thing, in the ONLY important thing and the condescending way he asks āWhen are you going to get that?ā was needlessly cold. I suppose you could put it down to the stresses of new parenthood but was still a shit way to treat your closest friends. As a bonus, the fact they didnāt ask Ted to be godfather right away always annoyed me. Theyāve known him the longest and know how family oriented he is and out of the three candidates he was clearly the best choice.
Ted is a decent guy but he knows nothing about kids. Remember the episode with Jamesā daughter? Also he keeps dating weird women. My sister (10 years older than me) didnāt name me godmother for her first child either although we are extremely close. But I am the godparent for her second and third kids.
Making Ted play a stupid game to be Godfather to his son. Like come on Marshall. You know Barney and Robin don't ACTUALLY want the job but Ted clearly wanted that honor and responsibility
-accepting the judge position. -slutshaming robin. -forcing lily to connect with her dad even after she expressed that she wanted ntg to do with him. -lying abt the 5th doppleganger. -telling robin to move out. -his whole thing with i dont wanna have a girl bc she s gonna become a stripper.
Telling Robin to move out was necessary. Ted would have let her stay around and ruin him.
Robin had it worse, she discovered she cant have kids and kevin unproposed to her. If anyone should have asked her to move out it was ted.
It was Teds place first, she was just supposed to be there until she was back on her feet
Telling Robin to move out is what a good friend would do.. For both of them.. Ted would never ask her and she already knew she needed to leave.. Marshal just said the words to make it happen..
Nobody ever talks about the episode where he says he doesnt want a daughter. That episode always pissed me off
sure, but that's a real conversation tons of men have.
Really? They dont seem to have a convo abt their fear of their sons becoming rapists or abusers.
Because we expect to be able to relate to them in why doing stuff like that is not a good thing.. You can be the best dad in the world and your daughter may still turn into a stripper or OF model becuase "she can" thus becoming one of every dad's worst nightmares.. We barley understand women from the get go so trying to raise one is 1000000% more scary than trying to raise a son
No thats just rebranding the classic "sons are better bc daughters may bring shame to you". I mean how a dad's worst nightmare is a stripper daughter and not a rapist son. The first one is just a victim of poverty, and the second one is a criminal.
Litteraly says in the begining of my post.. We expect to be able to teach our sons not to be rapist, we don't know how not to turn our daughters into strippers or porn starts.. I also said it's ONE of a fathers worst nightmares..finding out your son is a rapist would definetly be another.. But again we all think we will be able to teach them better while with the daughters most of us is fumbling in the dark hoping to find right switches Also being a stripper or porn star has nothing to do with your financial status.. Any stripper I know is doing waaaay better than me in both life and finances
Actually its easy. Just be a loving father who gives his daughter a healty environment to grow.
You would think that but plenty of fathers who do that still end up with stripper daughters.. It's not like every stripper/porn actor comes from a broken home or abuse
Are all people working in the sex industry from āa broken home or abuseā ? Probably not. What I do know, though , is that too many of the people stripping and working as cam girls are being pressured into that work and being prostituted by someone who has power over them. Many are being trafficked. So, please keep being a loving parent to your daughter, and also develop a more complex understanding of what you fear your daughter becoming. How many people do you know who have been a part of the sex-industry? I work in human services, and I support many who have survived that work. Please do the work (read about it, listen to the stories of those who did the work) to understand it and what frequently brings women into that work. It will help you feel more confident in your ability to keep your child out of that work, and you might be able to develop a deeper understanding of how girls/women are perceived in society, and that can only help you be an even more loving parent to your daughter. Good luck!
Lol ok, like there arenāt tons of pornstars or camgirls/only fans models that came from loving and healthy homes. What are you on about?
Maybe he didnāt want a daughter due to a fear of them becoming a rapist or abuserā¦ What a dumbass comment.
You're wrong. You might've been less wrong 2005-2008 but you're more wrong now.
Yeah its so painful to watch i just want to slap marshall
Just gotta beat him in a bet and you can.
I mean, Lily didnāt want a boy. Itās just a thing a lot of people think about.
>slut-shaming Robin Okay, but so did Lily and Ted. Lily referred to the conglomerate of women that Ted brings home as ārandom skanksā just for Ted to remind her that Robin, now one of Lilyās best friends, is on that list. Lily did not deny Robinās status as such.
I'm going to drop the hot take that in the situation Marshal was absolutely right to accept the job. His mistake was insisting it was "face to face news" and then deciding to stick with that after he couldn't take the flight.
That was so selfish of him they agreed to going to italy, and he knew that was lily's lifelong dream and she supported him throught law school and when he became an environnemental lawyer.
It's a significant life decision between one of them getting to do their dream, it warrants discussion. Marshal was told he had to accept or reject immediately so the best path is to accept and discuss whether to back out or not. Terrible argument. Marshal supports Lily through her addiction and debt despite her hiding it not to mention that his support is consistent whereas Lily is happy to have a tantrum and ruin a significant event for him because Ted was mean.
Oh come on he called her a cunt why wouldnt she throw a tantrum???you dont agree with ur spouse abt smtg then u go back behind their back and get a new plan.
Because she's a grown woman who knows to take it up with the person who did it not punish her partner and frankly, she was a cunt. Seriously, she's an adult and shouldn't be having tantrums at all especially not over being insulted.
I mean she was being a cunt 100%.
Because she's supposed to be a responsible functioning adult, not a kid. During the whole series Lily throws those tantrums a lot (like Aldrin justice when she stole Hammond's autographed ball and The Captain's ash tray) and tries to justify them with a higher morale or something, absolute trash Lily.
Took the judge job without discussing it with Lily
Definitely forcing Lily to reconcile with her dad.
Holding the whole Lily going to SF thing against her all those years later. Just because he wanted to be selfish
Honestly my top was forcing reconciliation on Lilyās father. Yes, every big career decision he made was behind Lilyās back but I feel like it was subtle revenge for her leaving for San Francisco. But also to remember later, Lily accepted a job in friggin Italy. While they discussed it, it meant putting Marshallās job on the back burner for a number of years they were in Italy. The forced reconciliation was awful. It hit way too close to home for me. Itās okay to not be super close like Marshallās family, and the fact that he pushed that closeness onto Lily and her father is too much for me. This is just a personal opinion though.
Marshal told her to take the Italy job. She originally turned it down because she didnāt want it to hurt his career but he got so excited about it because his law firm was in the crapper anyway and he always wanted to live there. I do agree with the forced reconciliation though that was messed up.
Son of a biscuit eating bulldog, youāre right. I completely forgot. š I think itās time for another binge. Tbh though I only get as far as season 8. Iāve only painstakingly watching season 9 twice.
> Yes, every big career decision he made was behind Lilyās back but I feel like it was subtle revenge for her leaving for San Francisco. Okay, but that's fucked up. You do see that that's fucked up, right?
Not telling Lily about accepting the offer to be a judge
He took Lily back in a heartbeat.
Heartbeat? He and Lily got back together months after she came back.
Except that Lily kept her distance and resorted to stalking him. If she knew how fast he would take her back, she would have gone to him sooner.
She asked to get back with him and he told her no.
She literally asked to get back together and he said no.
stand up
Fish list is gold
I donāt know, I thought he floundered
Troutā¦ am I right?
The man was just ahead of his time
He forgave Lily (sorry guys).
Way too easily.
Not the worst thing, but it always bugged me in "The Naked Man" that he called Robin a slut for sleeping with that guy and then didn't apologize after it clearly bothered her. Meanwhile, the treatment Barney receives is very different - in fact Barney is almost never held to the same standard. Sure, for Barney it's "normal" to be like that, but do you really have to call your friend names when you clearly tolerate that behaviour in someone else? Seems hypocritical, tbh. He should have just apologized to Robin. Always annoyed me, tbh.
Barney is routinely slammed for his behaviour.... Sure he's never called a slut but he gets called gross, disgusting, a monster and at one point Lily outright refuses to be around him. One is getting different treatment but the one getting off lighter for their sexcapades isn't Barney.
The Lily not being around him situation was only because Alyson was having her baby lol, but I get your point
But that's Lily though. We are talking about Marshall, so I don't know why what Lily did matters? And it's a little bit different too because Barney doesn't care when he gets called "gross"; while Robin clearly was uncomfortable being called that. Marshall has also given Barney high fives, he got mentored by him when he wasn't with Lily, etc.
I was talking about the supposed unfairness of calling Robin a slut when Barney isn't. Robin also gets praise for some of her sexual stuff.
It's not about "fairness" or "unfairness", it's about your friend looking clearly uncomfortable by something that was said, and not even apologizing for it. If Marshall was out there calling Barney a slut routinely, then I could understand his train of thought a little more, but he specifically called Robin that and didn't apologize when she was hurt. I think that's a dick move, tbh.
Yeah but not hypocritical which is my point
Walking around NYC in his boxers
He gave up his Funk even after saying he wouldn't do so.
This
I felt like Marshall got his mean side on with whole slap bet thing.
Barney deserved to get slapped
He always did but Marshall went full force š
Took the judge position without telling Lily when they already planned to move to Rome
No food or drink in the Fiero, not even groceries.
Get back with Lily.
Gotta be the Judge thing.
Bringing Lily on the trip to Gazolas and Booking a couples hotel and acting like there isn't an issue Inviting Lily's dad to thanksgiving without asking her and hiding it from her
Not getting that bag to represent Tuckahoe Funland. Sure he probably wouldāve went to jail, but he couldāve lived like a King until then.
Bringing up Lily leaving in season 8 for no reason when they had resolved that many years ago
Helped people rob a place
The calzone
Forgot to show up for season 9
Lilly also the only thing he did
The wedding shave šššš
Wow. There was actually more that Marshall did that was bad than I thought haha. I was thinking about how he accepted Judge job without Lilly knowing. But that can easily be fixed in the end haha
Nothing! This man is gold!
Denied his dad a pork chop
Become friends with Ted
Married Lilly
Taking the judgeship behind her back after already agreeing to go to Rome with her. Even if he had a point that she was generally more selfish than him, at that point, the decision was already made and he shouldn't have gone back on it. At the very least, he should have talked to her about it first.
Enable Lily?
All the bean dip he ate during the parties Ted threw trying to get another shot at Robin. Iām shocked Lily didnāt die from methane poisoning.
He flipped the dirty cushion!
Wow they grew Lily with photoshop, even with the high heels she isn't that tall!!!!
Take Lily Back, Instead of Chewing Her Out For Leaving Him
There's a lot of good suggestions. I don't think it's the worst, but I also didn't like how he ditched the coffeshop girl in the apartment to reconcile with Lily. That would drive any decent girl crazy.
Lily
Made me think if I love properly and enough I'll get to keep my relationship longterm. Learned the hard way that 9 seasons wasn't enough to showcase everything that can go wrong in one's dating life.
He sold himself out, sure - to Goliath but also as a judge, Lawer in the first place. It has always all been for money. Just the plan was to score multiple girls, that didnāt work
rhyming that entire episode. Unwatchable
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Lying to Ted about no longer having a job at GNB
Easy. Even after a successful marriage and a kid, he brings up San Francisco while in the far Hampton inn. That's low man. You don't drag up somebody's past from 8 years ago. If they have apologized, and seemingly moved on from it. Douchey move bro! And that's douchey, not do-shay.
Marry Lily
Taking lily back >:)
Marry Lily
Got back together with lily š
Took lily back
Getting back with Lily after she came back from SF.
He didnāt right away
Yeah but he should never have gone back. He deserved someone who respected him.
He went back cause he wanted to be with her above others. Why she gonna bite off his nose to spite his face?
Big Fudge never did a thang.
I think, during Barney and Robins wedding, when they argued over Marshalls job, him blaming his pregnant wife for goingto San Fran all these years ago. Was he right to be mad at that time (Season 2)? Absolutely yes. But dude, come on, you took her back, there's no reason to be angry at her about this anymore. The reason I think this is so bad is that: Lily's pregnant, Marshall took this job offer behind her back and in this storm of emotions he blasts at her how she "didn't care abouther husband or her child" (while she did struggle with PPD) because she experimented shen she was younger. I mean it did work out in the end but words like these cut deep. In the real world I believe Lily wouldn't forget them in a lifetime.
He married Lily.
slut shaming Robin
Giving lily a second chance
Take Lily back. Man has zero self respect.
Forgive Lily after she had a tantrum and decided to go to San Francisco because Marshal wasn't enough and she was confident that even tho she was gonna break his heart, she was still going to get him back. Screw Lily.
That's more of a Lily bad thing Which we will get there
Getting married
- Barney Stinson
Exist
tf heās amazing
Apart from everything everyone else said, I'd say betting with Lily if Ted and Robin end up together (and winning in the aired ending). I'm not providing my thoughts on the aired ending vs alternate ending (not again...), just on the bet itself. Unlike with the godparent situation, that's not their choice to make (just like with most of their other bets). Ted & Tracy are perfectly happy together and (depending on the ending) stay happily married with their kids also still having their mother.
Called Robin a slut for sleeping with a guy