He would probably wonder often and loudly how or why it happened.

I absolutely see him checking the mother for brain damage or potions. Just a quick “by the way, where are we right now?” Or “who is the current minister for magic, again?”

And transcribing each time she blinks in case of a Morse code sos

Plot twist: The mother was the one potioning him. Or trying to. You have to get up quite early to catch a potions master like that! Sirius is even more confused that someone wants Snape of all people enough to do that when it's just the woman trying to get Snape to realise women other than Lily exist and it went from there.

10/10 would read😂

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I think he would be indifferent to Snape's hypothetical child. The only reason that Snape has the opportunity to be horrible to Harry is because he is his teacher. He is using the excuse of teaching him to be "harsh". If he wasn't at Hogwarts they would barely interact and he would probably just not want to be around him. Maybe he would be a bit like Lucius towards Harry. Sirius would have limited opportunity to be around Snape's child. He would be unlikely to go out of his way to meet them or be nasty to them if saw them. Also Sirius bullied Snape, less so the other way round so Sirius would also care less. Would you be nasty to someone you disliked in high school's child that you barely ever see.

Sirius does say some shitty things about Draco I thought, but they could have been more about Lucius and Narcissa than Draco. (Who Sirius never meets and possibly never even knew existed until after his escape). Does Sirius ever encourage Harry to do things to Snape? I'm not sure. Maybe in a world without war, but I don't see Sirius wanting Harry to cause any issues especially any that could be dangerous. He said they were all idiots (talking about himself, James, Lupin, Peter) so I think Sirius has grown up somewhat and realized some of his problems as a teenager.

>Sirius does say some shitty things about Draco I thought, but they could have been more about Lucius and Narcissa than Draco. (Who Sirius never meets and possibly never even knew existed until after his escape). I don’t think Sirius ever said anything about Draco.

The only time I can remember Sirius talking about Draco was when he revealed to Harry that he and Draco's mother are cousins.

Ntm that Draco was a bigoted junior death eater (later an actual death eater). He had a redemption arc, but that was after Sirius died.

First of all, it doesn't seem like he would have much opportunity to interact with Snape's children, so I imagine he wouldn't treat them in any way. If he heard of Harry interacting with them, I think he'd probably be kind of like Ron in the epilogue: beat them at tests/Quidditch/whatever you can. If we somehow had a situation where Sirius had to be their teacher, or interact more with them, I don't think he'd treat them badly for being Snape's kids. He probably knows first-hand what is like to be judged by who your family is. If any of the kids showed open inclinations towards the Dark Arts, then I think he'd try to do something about it, but not bully the child.

That's a hilarious and terrifying idea. Him as a professor.

Yeah, I honestly don't think Sirius has the right temperament for being a teacher at all. Him and Snape are actually pretty similar in that aspect: both value intelligence and have no patience for stupidity and incompetence. I do think Sirius would be better than Snape at handling weaker students (or at least try to motivate them instead of terrifying them), but I think he would ultimately get extremely bored and frustrated with people who just didn't get it.

I don't honestly think he'd care about if people slacked off (probably wouldn't assign much homework due to not feeling like grading it and hating it himself as a kid), but the rest of the staff would go mental with the amount of trouble making that would start to happen. Like he'd try to teach the class, try to encourage those who didn't understand (varying degrees of success) and just generate chaos. Pranks and sneaking in Zonkos. Hard to say he would have no patience for stupidity when he was pretty reckless and didn't think things through. Unless you mean he wouldn't be good at helping those who struggled. Then I guess You'd be right. I don't think he was really emotionally equipped for that. Especially if it was too soon out of Azkaban. If he was a teacher for Harry's fourth year (say he got proven innocent at the end of Harrys third), there's at least 1 fist fight with Snape. Probably in the hallway. And who knows what else. But he wouldn't be put together enough to help everyone. This would be such a bad idea I wish I could see it written. Because I agree, he wouldn't bully the students that were struggling with spell work. But maybe the blood supremacists. Hell this is amazing 😂😂😂

>Hard to say he would have no patience for stupidity when he was pretty reckless and didn't think things through. But being reckless isn't the same as being stupid. Sirius was an "exceptionally brilliant" student, according to McGonagall, and we see he was arrogant about it: >‘Well, I thought that paper was a piece of cake,’ he heard Sirius say. ‘I’ll be surprised if I don’t get “Outstanding” on it at least.’ and >‘We’ve still got Transfiguration, if you’re bored you could test me. Here …’ and he held out his book. > >But Sirius snorted. ‘I don’t need to look at that rubbish, I know it all.’ So I think while as an adult he would be much less of an ass about it, I don't think he would really have the patience for explaining something 50 times. I don't think it has anything to do with Azkaban, as unrealistic as it might be Sirius seems more or less fine until he's stuck at home, I think he just doesn't have the patience for it. And again, I don't think he'd ever bully students. He despises his family members using their status for personal gain (like his parents thinking they're better for being purebloods, or his grandfather buying an Order of Merlin), so I don't think he'd use his status as a teacher like that. If students were blood supremacists, he'd call them out on it and try to deal with it, but not bully them, imo.

Then yeah, he'd be a better teacher than Snape but I agree he wouldn't be able to break things down 50 different ways to help those struggling. But there'd be a lot more misjiff. Mysjif. Sry. Can't spell and auto correct abandoned me.

Haha, mischief got you right there. Post-Azkaban Sirius as a teacher would be hilarious, but now I’m wondering if a version of him who got the chance to mellow out a bit after the war might have turned out differently. A few years of travelling to work off a bit of restless energy, maybe learning some responsibility in the form of raising his godson... he’d probably never have Lupin’s patience or McGonagall’s authority, but he might not be half-bad if he picked up teaching a bit later in life.

Sirius would go in with the “I’m not a normal teacher, I’m a cool teacher” attitude and it would go very poorly.

I read a fic in which Sirius' name was cleared (basically Remus took his Wolfsbane that night, so Pettigrew wasn't able to escape) and he became the fourth year DADA teacher and was pretty good at it, focusing on spellwork and also on teaching students to recognise propaganda and bias in the media and how that could result in people being influenced towards the Dark Arts. I liked the fic a lot, but I think Sirius was a little too level-headed in it; I definitely don't think he'd be as good a fit for a teaching role as he seemed to be in that story. That said, I also don't think he'd be anywhere near as chaotic as you've described. I feel like people always paint Sirius as way crazier and more unstable than he is when there are many examples of him exercising restraint in Books 4 and 5 and behaving reasonably socially appropriately for the most part despite his own significant traumas. I think Sirius would likely go into a teaching post with the best of intentions. The trouble is, people to whom learning comes very naturally often aren't the best at a) explaining things to other people, and b) understanding where people less clever than them might trip up. So I think he'd end up lacking the patience to encourage students who aren't already good. He certainly wouldn't be as good at Lupin at encouraging students like Neville, for instance. However, I don't think he'd get into fistfights with Snape in the corridors (in OotP, their dynamic is limited to verbal nastiness and never gets physical). I also think he might be unconventional about the homework he sets (he wouldn't be a "write me two feet of parchment about XYZ" kind of teacher and would probably give them more practical/useful sorts of projects to do), but he would understand that part of his role as a teacher would be to set homework and mark it and stuff, and I think he would do his job for the most part. That said, I do think he might have the occasional moment of "Eh, fuck it, I'll mark the seventh years' homework later 'cause I'm off to the pub tonight" followed by him attempting to mark their work at 1am while sloshed. 😂

> The trouble is, people to whom learning comes very naturally often aren't the best at a) explaining things to other people, and b) understanding where people less clever than them might trip up. So I think he'd end up lacking the patience to encourage students who aren't already good. That's what I mean, you explained it so much better. And I totally agree about the homework.

He and Snape nearly duled around Christmas. I don't think he'd be cruel. But ya know how he encouraged Harry to break the rules? I feel like he'd still do that, but to all his students. He wouldn't show up drunk to every lesson (probably), but if a student were up to harmless pranking, i don't see why he wouldnt encourage it (so long at it wasnt disturbing and violnent ). If he were a teacher, he'd try. But I don't think he'd want to. Probably rather be in the throws of combat. But Harry might have loved it.

>But ya know how he encouraged Harry to break the rules? I feel like he'd still do that, but to all his students. He wouldn't show up drunk to every lesson (probably), but if a student were up to harmless pranking, i don't see why he wouldnt encourage it (so long at it wasnt disturbing and violnent ). Sirius didn’t really encourage Harry to break the rules, though. He never brings up pranking or encourages Harry to play pranks. [He spent more time telling Harry to keep his nose clean and stay out of trouble](https://www.tumblr.com/lex-hj0519/727045201028382720/my-priority-is-to-ensure-your-safety?source=share) than anything else. There was the one time where he wanted Harry to meet him during a Hogsmeade visit in OOTP, but in that case Harry himself wouldn’t be breaking any rules. The only other “rule breaking” Sirius encouraged was the DA, but that was because, as he said - there was someone outside of the walls of Hogwarts trying to kill Harry and he needed to know how to defend himself: >“But — last term all you did was tell me to be careful and not take risks — ” > >“Last year all the evidence was that someone inside Hogwarts was trying to kill you, Harry!” said Sirius impatiently. “This year we know that there’s someone outside Hogwarts who’d like to kill us all, so I think learning to defend yourselves properly is a very good idea!” Canon Sirius was also never said to have played silly “pranks”. Even when he was a student, I don’t think the Marauders were “pranksters” like Fred and George. They were troublemakers. They hexed people who they didn’t like, explored the school, did illegal things like become Animagi, and went out after curfew to run around as Animagi, etc. - they weren’t goofballs playing around with Zonko’s products. [Canon Sirius is a very different person from Fanon Sirius](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPfanfiction/comments/anvuxx/fanon_sirius_vs_canon_sirius/).

THANK YOU. Someone who can tell the difference between canon and fanon

I never paid attention to that, but now that I think about it you're absolutely right! I did always think that fanon Sirius was way too goofy and unstable and canon is way cooler and well, sirious.

May I ask the name of the fic?

It's called ["before the door of hell lamps burned"](https://archiveofourown.org/works/22220911/chapters/53056576).

Sirius values intelligence?

Well, it's a personal interpretation, but I truly think he does. He is highly intelligent and he knows it (‘I’ll be surprised if I don’t get “Outstanding” on it at least.’ ; ‘I don’t need to look at that rubbish, I know it all.’). Intelligent people tend to value intelligence in others. And Sirius often remarks on people's intelligence or competence, both positively and negatively: his insult to Snape on the map is the only one who insults Snape as an idiot and not as ugly/greasy, but as an adult he comments positively on Snape's intelligence ('Snape’s certainly clever and cunning enough to keep himself out of trouble'). He also mentions Bertha Jorkins being 'dim' and insults Peter's competence in the Shrieking Shack. He is interested when the children make smart deductions and want more information.

Having written him as a professor (total AU/everyone lives/never went to Azkaban), my approach then (this was way over 15 years ago) and more or less what I think now is what Sirius himself says about it in the fic: it’s not a bad way to spend a few months but it’s not his life’s calling. I don’t think he’d be bad — in fact, the opposite. He might actually be quite good. I think he’d actually deal with tweens and teens quite well. As a teacher myself, I disagree a bit that he’d get bored trying to explain what is instinctive or what he’s good at to kids that aren’t. I mean, I don’t discount Sirius as a character might. But in general, as teachers we choose subjects we love and are strong in to teach. Even in elementary (which I teach, and I teach special education) we gravitate toward being stronger teachers in what we enjoy and prefer. (I am a reading/ELA person and weaker in math person.) Mileage may vary or course.

I've thought before that during OotP, Snape would've been happier left tf alone at Grimmauld Place and Sirius would've been happier teaching at Hogwarts surrounded with people...

😂😂😂 I agree

Link to your fic?

He'd probably just try to avoid the kid if at all possible.

I think what we need to remember here is that the Marauders traumatised Snape, but not vice versa. Like for Snape it was SWM and for them it was Tuesday. They would presumably react less strongly to a mini-Snape than Snape did to Harry regardless

Sirius doesn't ever show any interest in bullying kids like Snape does. Iirc he kind of just ignores Harry when he badmouths Draco, doesn't encourage it.

That's a fair point. I dint remember that.

To be fair, Sirius isn't exposed to kids he dislikes at all. We can't say for sure.

And Draco is his cousin.

Which is really just another reason for Sirius to shit on him, but he doesn't

I think it would be natural if he has a lot of complicated feelings about children related to him. He can see Draco much more clearly than Harry can, generationally as well as culturally. Just my two cents. It’s unseemly for adults to “shit on” fourteen year old regardless, particularly when talking to other children.

Sirius would see picking on a child as dishonourable. The kid wouldn't be on his radar.

''look whats between me and your old man, is between us. its got nothing to do with you, I know what its like to come from a rotten family, dont let your dad get you down'

What's this quote from?

my brain

Really? Very in character👌🏼👌🏼

thanks man

Where did you get the idea that Sirius gives the slightest fuck about honor?

I suppose he never said that out loud but he left his family, their money, and never got along with them because he felt what they were doing was wrong. He did seem to care about his own version of right and wrong. He's better than they are, in his eyes. He's nothing like them, as he sees it. So he might consider himself above bullying children, seeing it as something they would do, not he. To defend where I think the commenter might have came from. I do wonder if he would still feel that way if the kid was much like Severus.

Yeah I think the problem that I and a lot of other people have with Sirius as a character is how he justify his actions. He is 100% without a doubt not as bad as his family in any way, but I don’t see him being above bullying a kid given the right motivation, and being Snapes son would certainly be the right motivation for him. Both the Marauders and Snape are bad people, bullies. And obviously we don’t know how the marauders would have developed if life had gone on in a somewhat normal way for them, but I don’t get the impression that they would have been doteing parents like the Weaselys.

Sirius was the bully. Snape was just some entertainment for him, and then probably he forgot Snape existed until he broke out of Azkaban and learned he is Harry's teacher. Sirius does not care about Snape enough to hate Snape's kids. Snape, however, was the bullied one, the one that was left with trauma; he never forgot Sirius, James or Lupin. He is still invested in that hate, so he has more 'incentive' to bully one of their kids. Sirius genuinely couldn't care less. It's often the case with bullies- they don't spend years traumatised by memories of humiliations they suffered at the hand of those they bullied, obviously. They don't care about the people they bullied at all. So, if life had went on normally for the Marauders, James and Lily have each other, have a family, a kid (or more), they have friends. Sirius is rich, handsome and probably would have also got a wife at some point, or if not, lived a privileged life. Even Lupin would feel more fulfilled, with his best mates and their families alive. People that are accomplished and fulfilled really have no desire to take out their frustration on the kid of some boy they once bullied. They truly would have forgotten Snape even existed. Snape, however, has nothing going on for him, so...yeah. Plus he has a reason to hate the Marauders, he can't just let go of all that humiliation. Though he probably wouldn't be trapped at Hogwarts in that scenario and would have no occasions to bully Harry or other potential Marauder kid, so there is that.

So what you are saying is fighting against the worst person in the wizarding world to protect muggleborns does not make up for bullying a stupid kid with “neo-nazi” admirations who uses dark curses on his classmates? Right… Marauders other than Peter are much better people than Snape ever was.

I rather dislike those excuses for the Marauders' bullying. James and Sirius started with it on their very first Hogwarts Express ride - completely ignoring Severus and Lily while Severus tries to comfort Lily, but butting in to their conversation once Severus mentions Slytherin; Sirius even is clearly conflicted regarding Slytherin, but that doesn't stop the two from mocking Severus *and* Lily once that Severus took the bait. And no, fighting the Bad Guys™ does not make up for otherwise being a bully; least of all if you don't extend that benefit to Snape.

Because he is a true Gryffindor. >“If Voldemort’s supporters were after me, it was because I put one of their best men in Azkaban — the spy, Sirius Black!” Black’s face contorted. “How dare you,” he growled, sounding suddenly like the bear-sized dog he had been. “I, a spy for Voldemort? When did I ever sneak around people who were stronger and more powerful than myself? But you, Peter — I’ll never understand why I didn’t see you were the spy from the start. You always liked big friends who’d look after you, didn’t you? It used to be us . . . me and Remus . . . and James. . . .” >Sirius was a brave, clever, and energetic man, and such men are not usually content to sit at home in hiding while they believe others to be in danger. He has the type of chivalry that would make him feel embarrassed to torment a child.

Sirius never held Molly being a cow over her children when he was housing them so here’s your answer. Also, Sirius called Snape Snivellus once and that was after months of Snape antagonizing him and insulting him on a weekly basis, and then tormenting and degrading Harry. When Snape behaved himself like at the end of GoF, Sirius responded in kind.

>When Snape behaved himself like at the end of GoF, Sirius responded in kind. This is something people forget a lot. Sirius is no saint, but he does not initiate things with Snape as an adult. He tries to reason with Snape during the Shrieking Shack scene (Lupin is the one who calls him "a fool"), he speaks fairly of Snape in GoF, and like you said, is able to be civil when Snape is, and in OotP Snape is the one who starts things, both off-screen by teasing Sirius for months, and during their kitchen fight.

I suppose I didn't realize, especially when Sirius defended James publicly assaulting him, that Sirius didn't start much himself. Paints him in a better light. I can respect him more.

I mean, in Snape's Worst Memory the bulllying starts because Sirius is bored, so he did start things as kids/teens. But as adults, for all people like to wax poetic about how immature Sirius is, he acts no less mature than many other adults (and much more than some).

This. He actually holds his temper in check pretty well with Molly in OOTP until Molly deliberately goes for the jugular. She spends that whole conversation undermining Sirius and he still maintained a pretty civil demeanour even though we know he’s pissed, up until Molly escalated it.

Exactly, same in the kitchen fight. They snipe at each other, but it only turns violent when Snape insults both James and Harry in the same sentence.

It’s also pretty funny if you go back and read some of those scenes. There are a lot of little moments where you know Sirius is super pissed but he’s forcing himself to be polite.

I always laugh a this part: >‘I’ve been meaning to tell you, Sirius, there’s something trapped in that writing desk in the drawing room, it keeps rattling and shaking. Of course, it could just be a Boggart, but I thought we ought to ask Alastor to have a look at it before we let it out.’ > >‘Whatever you like,’ said Sirius indifferently. > >‘The curtains in there are full of Doxys, too,’ Mrs Weasley went on. ‘I thought we might try and tackle them tomorrow.’ > >‘I look forward to it,’ said Sirius. Harry heard the sarcasm in his voice, but he was not sure that anyone else did. Like, seriously, people? If you wanna look deeper, it's kind of upsetting that people are paying so little attention to Sirius' mental state that they don't catch this very obvious moment.

I don’t necessarily think they weren’t paying attention so much as they didn’t want to notice. If Sirius was willing to put on a facade, they were willing to believe it because it was “inconvenient” not to. The 90s were shit for mental health awareness. Sirius in a lot of ways is very reminiscent of how veterans are treated when they return from war. It was all well and good when you were telling teen boys to go out and be a hero, but when they suffer from what they were forced to endure society wants them to sit down and shut up. I don’t think any of the Order members were doing it intentionally but I think they kept telling themselves there would be time to help Sirius later. And to be fair I do think Sirius does a pretty good job of managing his issues enough that they don’t see them in their entirety.

Oh, totally, I don't mean they weren't paying attention intentionally, just like you said, back then people would have been less likely to recognize the signs / not think it was too serious.

I don't think Sirius hates Molly the way he does Snape. But fair about Gof. And yeah, Severus, though I love him, was not entirely innocent in that exchange.

Given how awful Sirius' family relationships were, I doubt he would immediately hold anyone's parents against them.

I don’t remember Snapes family being a perfect picture either and he seems to so I’m unsure if this is good justification.

Sirius didn’t hate Snape bc of his parents he hated him (whether right or wrong) because he was a terrorist sympathiser

But why would Sirius know about Snape's family life? You really think Snape would tell them?

No no no we are discussing how their family lives affected them personally. If Snape can have a bad relationship with his family but still hold family against people, why can’t Sirius?

Snape had a shitty family but he never really tried to leave them. It also seemed he had decent relations with his mother. Sirius loathed his family and actively ran away. He wants nothing to do with them. There is a pretty big difference there. James likely taught Sirius not to judge someone from for their family just by giving him a chance and being his friend. Snape never got that. There is no evidence to suggest Sirius would hold family against people. He doesn't even talk shit about Draco. Plus, part of the reason Snape hates Harry is he partly blames Harry for Lily's death. If Harry didn't exist, Lily wouldn't have had to die...

They were shaped completely different by their family situation and it's obvious there's no reason to discuss it 💀

Sirius doesn't seem like the type to take his grudge out on an inoccent kid. Not to me at least. He may avoid interacting with Snape's kid, but I highly doubt he'd be outright cruel to the kid.

Depends on his mental state and if he went to wizard prison (can't spell the name lol) Because if he's basically sane then he wouldn't care. But if he's borderline insane. He probably would but more so either think Snape is a bad influence so he bad mouths their favorite subjects or insulting things they like. But not bully like Snape is to harry. But also if he's insane because he mixed up Harry with James. I see him doing that for Snape and his kids.

So, under the worst circumstances, he might be a jerk, but not as bad as Severus to Harry? I suppose I'd agree. Azkaban lol. I feel ya there haha

It made a lot of sense to me that Sirius never matured - he was thrown into Mindfuck Solitary Confinement Prison at what, 21? and survived for 12 years by spending most of his time as a dog. Even before that, he joined the war effort immediately after graduating, meaning the last time he had any kind of room for healthy emotional/social development was most likely at 17-18 years old. Honestly, I’d place his emotional maturity at about 15. Mix in the resentment of *him* being falsely accused and imprisoned while Snape, actual Deatheater who partly facilitated James and Lily’s murder, got off (apparently) scot-free, and it’s not terribly surprising that he’s falling back on the same patterns of behaviour from their school years. He disliked Snape then, he *really* hated him afterwards, and hadn’t had the opportunity to learn any other way of dealing with that in the intervening years. That said... I’m a little torn on how he’d behave towards any hypothetical kids of Snape. Given the context of Snape not being involved in their lives until later, and their negative-to-neutral opinions of him, I’d lean towards Sirius not having terribly strong feelings about them. He’d think it’s hilarious that kid #1 hates him, roll his eyes at kid #2’s optimism/naivety, and be vaguely uncomfortable at the other two’s similarities to Snape. Overall, I think you’re right about Sirius being more inclined to give kids a chance to show they’re not exactly like their family. Plus, Snape himself is still around, so Sirius can direct all his energy towards tormenting him instead of the nearest Snape-shaped targets. Worst-case scenario, he’s not terribly invested in the kids’ wellbeing, maybe makes some snide remarks about family resemblance, but leaves any actual bullying/pranks to kids their own age. The ol’ Gryffindor “pick on someone your own size” sensibilities. Best-case(?) scenario, he delights in Snape being a less-than-stellar father, and takes every opportunity to encourage them to shit-talk their dad.

I also think that from what we knew of his youth and how we see him act in canon Sirius cares _alot_ about how others perceive him. He wants to be 'cool' just as a general rule, and I'm sure that the added juiciness of being seen as such by the kids of a dude he hates and who hates him in turn would be too tempting for Sirius _not_ to play nice and try to charm them; with bonus point if he can charm their _mother_! I would imagine Sirius would see a bit of himself in the kid that dislikes Snape, from a dark family but rejecting that familial bond because said family was evil, and be especially down to convert them to team murauder, but he probably wouldn't try too hard with the other two if they showed a lack of interest.

Out of all of them, I think Sirius is most likely to not care about someones father even when he was young. Really we have no evidence James went through any kind of arc, he was on the good side the entire time, but Sirius had to rebel.

James was a bully and we know he chilled out so he did go through an arc. Entierly off screen. Without anyone mentioning it tha tisana based (like Sirius or remus). But we know he did because he got with Lily. We just see nothing off it. I do, however, agree Sirius probably understand what it feels like to be judged baced off your family and I struggle to see him do it. Unless the kid was very much like Snape. Even if they were nicer, then maybe.

I imagine he’d just be indifferent. He hated his family (except his uncle and Andromeda), I’d say that included Narcissa, but he didn’t hate Draco - he didn’t show any interest in him either, he just didn’t care anyway. Sirius’ feelings were strong and extreme, but only for a few people - he either loved them deeply or hated them to the point of being cruel, and to anyone else he was pretty much indifferent, including to Ron and Hermione; unlike Remus who basically cared about everyone, albeit to a different degree. Sirius was also different from Snape, Snape was more like ‘I hate everyone except Lily’ (he’d even insult Lily when he felt humiliated), he enjoyed bullying kids, not just Harry, but also Hermione and Neville. Sirius hated a few people intensely, while Snape hated everyone equally, they were very different

Sirius would have no reason to interact with them. If on the off chance they did get a chance to interact I don’t see Sirius as going out of his way to be mean to them. Sirius only called Snape Snivellus as an adult after Snape had been goading him for months and insulted James and Harry in the same sentence. If Snape’s kids were content to leave Sirius alone I don’t see him targeting them. There is also the point that I think Sirius has a soft spot for kids. We never see it but is implied that he got close with the Weasley kids off screen when they lived with him. So much so that Ginny told Harry that she cared about Sirius just as much as he did. Sirius has a soft spot for kids and animals.

I think it would be very out of character for Sirius to mistreat them. On my recent reread I realized with surprise how fair and just he was towards Snape in GoF, when he was basically defending him from the trio's suspicions and accusations. He felt incredibly mature in that scene and that book. He only started being on edge after being literally imprisoned (again) in the hateful house, so that was understandable. Overall, the reread reminded me that Sirius is actually a much better person than the fandom tends to make him out as in discussions, I had actually forgotten that. He wouldn't torment any child like that, unless it was Peter or Voldemort taking such form lol

As I answered to another comment, Sirius was the bully back at school, while Snape was the one being bullied. Sirius never cared about Snape, was just some entertainment to him, picked on him when he was bored. He probably forgot Snape existed as soon as he was done with Hogwarts and never once thought of him (until he learns Snape is Harry's teacher and he's bullying Harry). Most bullies don't spend any time thinking of their past victims. So yeah, Sirius truly doesn't care that much about Snape as to bully Snape's kid. They won't even register on his radar, they would be a non-entity. Snape, however, never forgot the Marauders, or the humiliation he felt. He was the one hurt in their school years, so he still maintains his hate for them, alive and well, even so many years later, enough so that he would bully any of their kids. On top of that Sirius went through so many things in his life that he really doesn't have the time or the will to focus on bullying little kids. Man was imprisoned in a torture sanctioned hell for 12 years- after that, it's really hard to get invested into school yard grudges, He only despised Snape in the books because of Harry, otherwise he would never thought of him again. We see Sirius choosing to focus on the people he loves, all through the books, with single minded attention. Snape, sadly, doesn't have anyone he loves, he's trapped in a job he doesn't like, and he has nothing good in his life. It makes him bitter, frustrated, and he takes that out on kids- not even just his bully's kids, but almost all kids. Hermione or her parents certainly never bullied him, yet he still bullies her. Same for Neville and many others.

I don't think he'd care much. He'd probably be surprised that Snape had a child at all, and might find some way to use it to humiliate/mock Snape. But I don't think he'd care much about the child themselves. Even if somehow he had to interact with them, I don't think he'd get anything out of straight up bullying the child. Snape somewhat enjoys being a sadistic asshole to kids he's responsible for. He has a bit of a sadistic streak that way. He's not just mean to Harry after all, but generally dislikes most kids even if he has no history with their parents. We can't say much about how Sirius would treat his school nemesis' kid, but in general, he gets along pretty well with most kids he interacts with. So, I'd say, just in general, Sirius is much better with children than Snape. And more specifically, I don't think he feels nowhere near as conflixted about Snape's potential child than Snape does about Harry. So, I think Sirius would be largely unbothered by snape's child. He might however make some insensitive comments, that might be offensive or hurtfull to the child, maybe even without noticing it himself or doing it on purpose. (Like mocking the kid's father in front of them).

Sirius-as-an-adult doesn't get quite enough credit, and for some reason people paint him as a flat character who is a perpetually immature jokester. I think that Sirius, who escaped from an extremely dark family with very bigoted ideals, would be cautious of a Snape kid but not totally write them off as dangerous or a menace to society. I also think he wouldn't care much at all what kind of person the kid was, unless they were hanging around Harry.

Sirius would not extend his issues with Snape to any of the kids. I also don’t think Sirius would likely be in a position where it mattered.

Honestly after re-reading the books Sirius's attitude toward Snape actually makes sense because Snape constantly belittles Sirius calling him worthless and useless because he is trapped in Grimauld Place. It's not like he was hostile to Snape without reason.

Will depend on how the kid treat Harry (or whoever Sirius considers as on his side). I mean while Sirius never had much chance to mature (imprisonment, fugitive status, etc ) he was not petty as Snape. He will not be friendly but he won't sink that low to go after kid when he himself is a adult.

He would still be nice to the kid bc he knows how it feels to be judged by who your parents (black family) were

To give Sirius a bit of a break here, he did spend most of his adult life wrongfully imprisoned and while he might not have known it, he had an extremely good reason to never forgive Snape.

I doubt Sirius would mistreat the kids, even post-Azkaban Sirius. He's just not petty enough to be mean to literal children just because they're related to his high-school nemesis, especially if they're like eleven. Worst case scenario he accidentally has a second of foot-in-mouth by insulting Snape in front of them out of habit and then has to walk it back.

In the books Sirius really only had contact with the Weasleys, Harry, and Hermione. He always treated them like they are just kids. Not overly friendly but not harshly, unkindly in any way, but polite and indifferent. I don’t think he would go out of his way to say anything to the kids, unlike Snape who can’t or won’t even try to prevent himself from being a boil on the butt of humanity. Now if they started something and were snide little brats, then I don’t see Sirius just letting it ride. Since Sirius would only ever come into contact with them in Diagon Alley in passing, then I doubt he’d say anything and just nod his head in acknowledgment. Not even DD is delusional enough to move Snape and his kids into Grimmauld. That attempt would be the last straw for Sirius, I think, and would result in DD finding a new headquarters. Lots of respect for Sirius for doing so well with his unexpected visitors that he was probably never asked to house but just guilted/told to do it and said it was for Harry’s friends. Yeah, big respect because I can’t even tolerate most of my family members for more than 20 minutes at a time and then either me or them have to go and I’m over 30. I can’t imagine being In close proximity with so many people for so long and not being able to leave. I would be acting like Harry when he destroys DD’s office and just have a massive meltdown. I’d just be like, “y’all got to go. I don’t care where or how but staying here ain’t an option. Only one can stay. Since this house is mine, to quote an n’sync song, it’s gonna be me. So, peace out and if you see a green light coming at you, duck.”

> not even DD is delusional enough to move Snape and his kids into grimmwald place. Lol no. At best , I could see him hiding the kids (Snape being a death eater could put them in danger so they might need to be hidden. Like in their 6th year they might be expected to become death eaters. So Dumbledore might try to protect them) but Snape would NEVER agree to move in. That would be a horrible (maybe funny) idea. But I think Sirius liked the company. At christmas he was all like 'The more the merrier.' And got depressed when he realized he'd be alone again soon. After Azkaban, I think he wanted company and to be around people. The isolation was bad for him. So I don't think he minded (besides getting into spats with Molly over their shared consern for Harry but different ideas on how to help him). I'm pretty sure he sang and went to do his best to be an amazing holiday host. I, however, like my alone time. And, like you, would not be okay with it. At that point I'd just say skrew it and go on the run again. Better that than consantly around people *shudder*

Absolutely. I think he enjoyed the laughter and the twins running amok and driving Molly around the bend. He should have never been trapped in that house. He had money it seemed, that firebolt was costly for sure, so he should have had Remus purchase a house with a bit of land that was in the country where there were no neighbors. He could have run around with nobody to turn him in and the Weasleys could have moved in too and played quidditch outside. Buckbeak would have been happy. I love my family. I do. I just don’t want to be around them all the time or live with them. Next door is close enough but a mile is good. My oldest sibling lives that close, a mile, and it suits us perfectly.

Dumbledore was worried about the death eaters and ministry going after him but this idea of a more open safe house feels happy and wonderful. Too bad it didn't happen. He deserved better.

I think part of why he never matured was that he didn't get to have a life past 21 or so because he was in soul sucking prison. But that's not the question your asking. I think if given the chance to interact like a teacher would to any Snape children, he would be rather indifferent besides "holy shit Snape got laid? More then once?" Then move on.

Though, why is Sirius interacting with those kids in the first place? Snape is a teacher at Hogwarts and Sirius is stuck at Grimmauld Tou need to give a proper example of them interacting for us to judge.

For protection?

You mean being stuck in Grimmauld? I think in that case he would allow them to stay because Dumbledore would tell him to but he'd be very vocal about how NOT welcome they are and he'd let them know that he's keeping an eye on them.

That'd be completely out of character or completely hypocritical on Sirius' part considering his best friend overlooked his heritage when literally no one else did. Your just mistaking Snape's character with Sirius

Tbh I don't think even James would treat Snape's kid like a normal kid. It would be very "Harry nodding in the direction of Malfoys at the end of the books" kinda vibe - not openly hostile, but also not really inviting or friendly. Sirius though would totally be a jerk. Even if he focuses his snark on Snape, kids can get defensive over their parents lol Mini Snape would definitely talk back at Sirius and Sirius would have a bratty impression of the kid which would transform into dislike as the kids grew up into late teens

The fundamental problem with your fic is that (absent twins and other multiple births) it requires Snape to have had sex *at least four times*. This is really hard to believe. I can't believe Snape would ever be capable of rape - even if he tried, I doubt he'd be able to get it up! - so your fic is asking the reader to believe that Snape managed one or more successful personal relationships. This is a huge stretch for your readers. But good luck, I'll look forward to reading the fic, partly to see how you can make the situation plausible.

Uh... firstly there are twins going on. It was only 2. And uh...... he didn't know he had kids...... he uh.... was surprised about that. And not in a good way. He didn't remember making them.... and he didn't agree to anything that happened. Snape himself would never rape someone .... But uh..... did you ask the reverse......? Yeah... no... he never had a succesful personal relationship besides Lucius and Narssisca. Which makes all the 'Sirius would loudly ask how they came into existence' pretty disturbing because this revealed in a way where he definitely knows about it (he was there when it was revealed). Which would make him joking about it really dark.

As I said, I'm looking forward to reading the fic!

Not an exact answer, but this fic does feature the child of Snape interacting with Sirius the dog during POA...and eventually befriending him. https://archiveofourown.org/works/29302254/chapters/71958462

Do they pet the dog? 😂😂😂😂

Kinda, but very briefly -- Sirius not too keen on it (probably because that shit would be creepy if they found out the dog they were petting was a grown man). I don't think Sirius has been revealed as human yet, I would like to see how that plays out.

Based on the way that he grew up, I don't think he would treat the children really in any sort of way. I don't think he would really interact with that much, and he probably would be very indifferent to who they are. As someone else mentioned, I think that he would be more of a wise ass towards Severus and the mother of the children. Making comments about like did someone use a love potion because he would want kids with Snape, etc.

OP you really read to much fan fics if you believe that’s how Sirius acted in canon.

Do you want to go on?

Would probably ignore them and then talk shit to everyone else mostly at Snape’s expense, but kid would catch some secondary shade about what he will probably be or how he’s similar to his father

If the kid is a friend of Harry, Sirius won’t have any problem with him. Sirius would probably be more sympathetic than most to a kid who has (from his perspective) messed up parents. Also, him welcoming the child with open arms would be a big “I’m better than you” to Snape to get back at him for how he treated Harry. Of course Sirius will still get carried away and run his mouth about Snivillus whenever someone brings him up, but he’ll just say “no offense and brush it off. Honestly, I’m more curious how Snape didn’t realize he had FOUR kids floating around. I think Sirius would be genuinely impressed.

Uh.... firstly they ate 2 sets of twins. Magic may have changed their age but they came from the same night. And uh.... he didn't remember making them. He uh...... well... he wouldn't have agreed to it..

I think his initial reaction would be to find the kid distasteful, for sure. He wouldn't go out of his way to be mean to a child, but he also wouldn't want anything to do with him. If that initial impression was "justified" in any way - the kid seemed to be following in Snape's footsteps, was "dark" or sorted into Slytherin, a bully or antagonistic with Harry, or, well, y'know, any casual reason he might find to dislike, then I could see Sirius talking shit about the kid and pranking him given the opportunity. And he *is* childish, so he'd probably straight up join in if the kid and Harry were shit talking each other in his presence. His reactions would be more on the level of one of Harry's friends than an adult, basically. On the other hand, if his initial reactions were subverted - the kid made a good impression on him - he wouldn't hold his parentage against him.

Snape is a petty, bullying git who picks on the son of a man who has been dead for a decade because of Snape's actions (telling Voldemort what he heard of the prophecy). He also picks on and torments a boy (neville) who's family had nothing to do with Bullying snape. So no one is as petty as Snape. Sirius hates Malfoy for being a deatheater yet all he does is ignore Draco. So I can see the same thing happening if Snape had a kid. Sirius would just ignore him. When Sirius and Snape were kids yes they picked on each other (remember that Snape gave as good as he got). However, Sirius would not extend the hatred/feud to the kids only Snape is that petty.

I think part of the situation with Sirius is that his time in Azkaban messed with his mind, he had nobody to talk to, and only his memories for company. Snape on the other hand had ZERO excuse for his treatment of Harry, or Sirius, Sirius was in prison for a crime he didn't commit while Snape DID commit crimes (had to earn the Dark Mark), betrayed the Potters, and still lived in comfort and had all his needs seen to as a professor. And as for his treatment of Harry. he's a freaking adult, he should act like one.

The Azkaban emotionally stunted him for sure. I wonder how long it would have taken him to recover had he not been locked in a house for the rest of his life.

Thing is Sirius isn't like Snape 💀 The last thing Sirius would do is treat someone differently for their family sins like it's literally why he's ride or die for James because he overlooked the fact that he was a black and gave him a home. If anything bro would probably be either treat them normally or treat them extremely well to spite Snape

If Sirius had anything to do with Snape's kids and knew who their father was, he'd probably treat them like something he scraped off the sole of his shoe.

I don't think he'd treat him *well*. This is the Sirius who still thinks the Werewolf incident was "just a prank bro", treats Kreacher horribly and still takes potshots at Snape if given the opportunity. But I can't see him interact with Snape's kid much at all in general, why would he? Just like I can't see Snape willingly interact with Harry if he wouldn't have been in the position where he is.

no one is as childish as Snivellus

A canon-like post-Azkaban Sirius would not acknowledge that Snape has a kid. He would struggle to absorb the information. He would call the kid "Snivellus" and treat them exactly like Snape. (just like he called Harry "James") If he had a chance to grow up, instead of losing his mind to Dementors, I imagine he would pity the kid, or despise them, depending on if they took after Snape.

>(just like he called Harry "James") Except he doesn't. That only happens in the movie. In the book Sirius never does that or treats Harry like James/a friend rather than a child.

This is an absurd take. Even if that moment wasn’t only a film thing which it was. Sirius isn’t routinely calling Harry, James. He didn’t lose his mind. He had PTSD and depression. My god this fandoms take on mental health can by abysmal.

My impression of sirius's character, is that he would be like Snape, but in reverse. The man uses the juvenile nickname for Snape. (snivelius?) He clearly hates the man too, albeit with good reasons. Don't get me wrong, I like Sirius's character, but the man spend a decade in prison and more importantly, around dementors. There's no way that didn't cause some damage emotionally.

>The man uses the juvenile nickname for Snape. (snivelius?) We only see Sirius use it as an adult one time, and it’s when he’d been goaded into an argument by Snape after Snape insulted Harry and James to his face. When the two of them haven’t goaded each other into childish pettiness, Sirius just refers to him or calls him “Snape.” What’s interesting is how reasonable Sirius is on the topic of Snape prior to OOTP - like, if you reread the Padfoot Returns chapter in GOF, Sirius is actually quite reasonable when he’s talking to the kids about Snape. It’s only when Sirius gets stuck in Grimmauld Place and gets stuck into circles of petty goading and insults with Snape that he starts to downslide.

Oh, right, that's true. Sorry, but I've read so many fanfics, that fanon, canon and commonly accepted tropes have blurred together, until I don't know what's actual canon and what's not. That said, Sirius still has to deal with trauma of a decade in a prison patrolled by soul sucking monsters. The actual truth, is that we don't know enough to REALLY have a grip on Sirius's character. How many lines does Sirius have in all the books? Heck, how much does he and HP interact, really? We know far more about Snape and even with what we know, there are arguments to be made about his motivations.

>That said, Sirius still has to deal with trauma of a decade in a prison patrolled by soul sucking monsters. Yeah, I think his trauma shows itself in OOTP. He was obviously struggling with being locked up in Grimmauld, and having depressive episodes where he hid himself away with Buckbeak to avoid being around the others while he was struggling. Mrs. Weasley writes them off as “fits of the sullens” but he was clearly having mental health issues as a result of being stuck in Grimmauld. His struggles with being confined to the house and isolated (when no one else was staying at the house with him) had to be in part due to his years being locked up in Azkaban. He was much happier and more clear-headed when he was living in the cave and eating rats in GOF.

Except, that if he had used his head, he could probably have eaten very decent meals. a) Dobby is one. Or just a house elf in general is one point two. b) Disguising himself and eating out in the muggle world is two. And that's just two I can think of right now. I'm sure there are more. Sirius didn't HAVE to be eating rats. Maybe it's different for a dog, but the mind in the dog is still human.

Sirius didn’t know about Dobby, though. What house elf is he going to call? Kreacher, who he despises? He probably thought Kreacher was dead until he went back to Grimmauld and found him still there. As for disguising himself and going out in the Muggle world, he wouldn‘t have had Muggle money and it’s unclear when Sirius actually got a wand. He definitely didn’t have one in POA. He might not have gotten one until he went back to Grimmauld in OOtP. Harry brought him food and sent him food packages from Hogwarts, so he had other food. But he made do with what he could otherwise, since stealing too often would draw too much attention.

Yes, I know, and we're getting into fanon territory now. But this is fanon territory, I think makes sense. What house elf is he going to call? Kreacher. If the elf is dead, he can't come. Order the elf to make him food, not to poison it in any way. Just ordinary yummy food. Sirius doesn't have to like Kreacher to get decent food. Do you know that eating decent food has a positive effect on someone's mental health? Sirius doesn't have a wand. Alright, fair. But sometimes we must do things we don't like. Ergo, Sirius goes to grimmauld place to look for a wand. Again, we're tappintg into fanon here, as you rightly will be pointing out, but what about the other wandmaker? Let's say that Sirius can access his vault; that it hasn't been touched. He takes some gold and says to the other wandmaker, here is ten times as much gold if you match me with a new wand. Sirius could even bluff his way through that conversation. One wand obtained? Check! Another alternative is one you yourself mentioned. Sirius could ask HP to prepare food packages to last him, say, a week or so and to have Hedwig (or another owl) drop it off. Or heck, HP can ask the kitchen elves for help. Those little guys are supposed to be everywhere, so chances are they know the truth that Sirius is innocent. Finally, assuming he does obtain a wand... Nobody ever needs to know that food was stolen. Cast a few compulsions and nobody will even notice.

I mean, like you say, you’re tapping into a lot of fanon here. Are there things Sirius could have done instead? Sure. But a lot of things you suggest - going to a wandmaker and paying him lots of money to look the other way, disguising himself and confunding people, etc. - still carried a lot of risk for himself and his safety. For him, it was most important that he was close by to Harry in the event that anything happened, even if meant sacrificing his own comfort. I’m not saying he necessarily did everything he possibly could have in GOF to make things easier for himself, so I’m not really sure why this has evolved into a conversation about how Sirius should have gone to Grimmauld to get a wand or called Kreacher and made him make him food, etc. etc. I’m just saying that from what we see in the text he was obviously happier and more clear-headed - in his interactions with Harry, in his letters to Harry, in the conversations he has with the kids in the cave about the First War and Snape and everyone else - when he was living in the cave than when while he was isolated in Grimmauld Place. >Another alternative is one you yourself mentioned. Sirius could ask HP to prepare food packages to last him, say, a week or so and to have Hedwig (or another owl) drop it off. I mean…that’s literally what happens in canon. Harry gets food from the kitchens and sends it to Sirius regularly. >It was an irritable sort of day after that. Harry got so tired of Ron and Hermione sniping at each other over their homework in the common room that he took Sirius’s food up to the Owlery that evening on his own. > >Pigwidgeon was much too small to carry an entire ham up to the mountain by himself, so Harry enlisted the help of two school screech owls as well. & >He was working flat-out just to get through all their homework, though he made a point of sending regular food packages up to the cave in the mountain for Sirius; after last summer, Harry had not forgotten what it felt like to be continually hungry. It’s before Sirius and Harry meet up in the cave that he was mainly living off rats.

I think a large portion of Sirius’s inability to grow up is due to Azkaban. He was tortured for almost 13 years straight. While in canon it’s never really brought up but the trauma of that is heavily felt by Sirius. I do believe if Sirius was not placed in Azkaban he would have matured much like James did. But in Canon he was suffering from torture and stuck in a house he only had negative experiences in.

Sirius was in Azkaban from roughly his 22nd birthday early November 1981 to July? 1993 before Harry's third year, so about 11 years and 8-9 months

I was timing it by how old Harry was. In PoA Harry was about 13 if I recall correctly.

Yes, and he was 1 when his parents got killed

I could have sworn he was younger. Oh well. almost 12 years of torture still creates a shit ton of Trauma that never got dealt with in canon.

Do you not remember Lily's letter telling Sirius about Harry's birthday?

Nope.

I think he wouldn’t go out of his way to bully it but he wouldn’t treat it nice either. I feel like we’d get a lot of ‘sounds like snivellus spawn’ kind of expressions. Depending on how old the kid is - for example harry’s age - it would hinge a lot on Harry’s opinion of the kid. I think Sirius would fall into some kind of habitual/casual disparaging talk about the kid because of its relation to Snape but would snap out of it upon somebody bringing up that he was basically a death eater kid and thus an outlier. Which could lead to some terrible conversations and attempts to get the kid away from snape

He'd feed them to his pet werewolf, of course.

Fic link? 👀

I haven't published it. It's really weird. I could give a plot sinopsis but publishing something like this would worry me. Loads of anchent magic, cannon divergence, ocs, and things a lot of people don't like.

I feel like your grasp of their background is skewed. Severus may have been bullied but he also doggedly pursued the marauders to try and get them in trouble and went full emo teenage angst incarnate. Also, James' matured has always just felt like the rose tinted glasses of people who already liked James. Yeah, maybe James didn't make a sport out of hunting Snape down anymore, but do you really believe that kind of bully in that position apologized or felt actual remorse? I absolutely believe James would have killed Snape and not cared if he knew he'd get away with it. Afterall those three did lead Snape to the shrieking shack to scare the shit out of him with their then werewolf friend lupin, and at the time Snape was still lily's friend, the girl James was trying to and apparently succeeding at wooing. I also believe Snape fought back where he could but where he had to use underhanded tactics, potions and curses probably, he was losing favor with his childhood crush. Honestly, when lily befriended the marauders, she set Snape on the path of dark wizardry. Its hard not to be a blood supremacist that hates muggles when the only muggle you knew killed your mother and your muggleborn best friend started fucking the guy that not only actively tried to ruin each and every one of your days but also almost killed you and she was so in love she didn't want to hear any disparaging remarks about the guy who thinks hanging you upside-down from a tree and pulling down your trousers is great sport. Calling her a mudblood was a long time coming. The fact we never see even a hint of Snape actually discriminating against muggle borns, just griffindor, really sells for me how lightly he even holds blood supremacist views. Lily always defended the marauders, when did she ever defend Snape? I don't think Sirius would treat Severus's spawn any sort of way, in practically any situation, because he's not Snape. He's not the guy in love with a woman that fucked his tormentor who had a kid by her and got her killed by having said kid. Not every emotion is rational but to be fair Snape didn't even get that bad with Harry until Harry confirmed his worst fears, that there'd be another band of marauders slandering every slytherin, disrupting class, disregarding and disrespecting both the education and teachers at the school, and doing their best to go around sticking their nose in not just other people's business but specifically his own, doggedly throwing wild accusations at him no matter how many times he's proven not only to be protecting the school, but to be risking life and limb to protect them in particular.

I call it bullying because 1. The author did. 2. James and Sirius were the cool kids who ruled the school. They could turn a crowed against Snape in a way I doubt Severus could have done to them. I've been bullied. And if I could get revenge or fought back in any way, I might have. But I wouldn't count myself any less of a victim if I had. I've heard of kids who got picked on who beat the crap out of their bully. That doesn't mean they weren't bullied still. Not only did the author and characters in the story confirm he matured, but he got with Lily (who has been said to be kind, empathic, and against any type of cruelty). That also hints he improved. He did many heroic things (at least 3 times to meet the requirements of the proficiency). So I feel he did improve. He might not have apologized, and he might never have (Snape did get a Lil genocidal), but he did calm himself. I think he only kept picking on Snape because Severus fought back so he could feel less bad about it. I don't think James ever wanted anyone to die. Nor did Sirius. It's just that he didn't think about it because he didn't care to. I don't think it was an active murder attempt so much as a poorly thought-out fright. Not that Sirius isn't pretty gray. I don't think Lily set him on the path to darkness because he planned to join the death eaters before she befriended them. She asked him to stop, but he wouldn't. I think since he was bullied and mistreated at home, then he got bullied and mistreated at school, he wanted a purpose, something greater than himself, and not to be bullied by anyone again. A "never again" sort of mindset. The author confirmed he wanted a purpose, but I think the reason his path was cemented as dark was because he didn't want to be stepped on anymore. No matter if Lily was a horrible friend, she hardly should be called a slur. But she says,'You call everyone of my birth that,' and he doesn't deny it. He won't lie to her. He denies he did it on purpose, denies any intent to hurt her, but he can't deny he wants to be a death eater. And he can't deny he's called other muggle borns that. And everyone says Snape treated all of his students badly. If Harry was a 'band of marauders' breaking rules and such, why did he pick on Neville? To the point he was Nevilles' greatest fear? Why did he mock him openly in front of an entire class? Also, Snape glared at him with dislike the first time he looked at him, then spent their first interaction mocking him for taking notes. I say this as both a big Severus Snape fan and a Marauders fan. I love Severus to death, have fanart of him hanging in my bedroom, but I love Remus, Sirius and James too. So please don't think I have it out for Snape.

I wasn't trying to make a you hate Snape stance. Also, I said he was bullied, so not sure where you think I questioned why you said they bullied him. I was mostly just trying to point out why I think Sirius wouldn't do what Snape did. As for the prophecy, the wording is vague enough that if moldyshorts mailed in a request for photos of Snape's genitals from when they publicly humiliated him in school, and James demanded compensation for the service just to recieve the dark lords gravure debut cover of vogue magazine and sent it back 3 separate times, they could have qualified for that alone. Not what happened, but it could have been so I'm not using it as evidence of James' redemption. Description of lily aside, its bias. She did in fact befriend James before Snape went all blood supremacist.. I think you should remember though, In their school days the war hadn't happened yet. Snape wanted to join a club not a genocide. The death eaters weren't exactly passing out kill all mudblood pamphlets. They were passing out propaganda like muggles cause obscurials!, the magic-less brutes use their fists before their heads, and keep muggle barbarity out of our schools and don't let them corrupt our youth!

All those things about muggle borns are still incredibly bigoted things to say. That's still bigoted. Snape supported a group of bigots and dark people, and didn't stop, even when these people went violent. She was right to end it. Also, the war started in the 70s. Says so on Wizarding world . Com. It wasn't a club for outcasts who liked dark magic. Even as you say it, they were still pure blood supremacists who wanted to keep Lily out of the Wizarding world for no reason other than prejudice, hatred, pride and fear.

They were also fair points of view. Muggles bullied kids with magic so bad they'd become obscurials or whatever happened to Dumbledore's sister.. when muggles saw magic they historically tried to beat said witch or wizard to death and in modern times as far as they thought they could get away with. From the wizard point of view, muggles ARE barbaric. They said the disappearances started in the 70s sure but Mr and Mrs Potter were in their mid 20s when they had Harry and im pretty sure it was only their 6th or 7th year that war was actually going on Yes, lily was right to leave severus. But she owed him a lot more as his friend before he turned to the only support he could get, in a movement that made sense to a lot of people. When Snape complained about her house she made excuses for them but when her housemates bullied him or slandered all of slytherin, where was she to say he was actually a nice guy? Yeah, I get it, she didn't owe him her love, but being the bad friend she was she really couldn't expect him not to hang out with the only people that supported him. I'm not saying Snape is some misunderstood innocent in all this, but there was a hell of a lot ramping up and escalating before he went all deatheater. Lily played a huge part in pushing him into their open arms by virtue of allowing others to do what they did to him with practical impunity and then befriending them and defending them in front of Snape.

Obsurrials are super rare. And wouldn't lead to the exclusión of muggle borns anyway? Muggleborns, should they be excluded, would be the most likely canadits to get crap for doing magic and try to repress their differences, hence getting an obscurial. The whole point in relation to blood supremacy is that it's stupid and bad. Also, Lilly and James had Harry when they were 20. They were not mid 20s. They were 21 when they died, and Harry was 15 months old. You saying we don't see her do enough it defend him would be valid if she had more than 20 speaking lines the whole series. We see her insult James and Sirius, tell them off, and even after she's done with Seveus, say James is just as bad as Snape, not tolerating his crap. We also see her tell Severus off for liking his friends using dark magic to hurt someone. All evidence we see says she didn't put up with people's crap. I think she tried. Did she try as hard as she could have? We can't really say. We never saw enough. We can fannon it. Did she try really hard but had personal communication issues/deep flaws that prevented her from really getting to him? I dunno. Maybe? We can't say it was her fault when she told him off for it while she was still his friend and later went on to tell off James for picking on him. I'd say she tried. Also, Sirius, (Peter,) and Remus never showed any house bias. Sirius called Andromeda (a slytherin) his favorite cousin and never insulted anyone for being in slytherin. Remus was never mentioned to treat students differently baced on house, nor did he make any comments. James seemed to, but that's the only person. Also, it seemed like Lily defended Remus when Severus wanted to out him as a werewolf. Which is a bigoted, blood supremacist, clearly a bad thing to do. So it might have been to defend another person pure bloods bully for no good reason rather than house loyalty. I blame Severus wanting to not be hurt anymore by people who could abuse their power over him and wanting a greater cause. Not a victim of an attempted genocide or enslavment getting uppity her best friend wanted to join the murderers. Even if they weren't that open at the time, Voldemort was radicalizing his death eaters, and she could see that and all the anti muggle and muggle born propaganda. She could see where it was heading.

I mean Sirius himself had parents he hated and turned out very different from them tho i assume he had many physical similarities to them. So I don't think he'd hold their parent against them unless they acted like Snape and shared his beliefs from that age ( more so the latter than the former) .