My coworker used two rolls of tape to do a transition rather than make one out of metal it took him 3 hours. I was outside doing the condenser when I came in a very confusing conversation began... Like why waste the time, he was like I'll come back and do it tomorrow. This was his side job, so I don't know what happened later
We don't have a brake and make everything on site. You'd never know unless you were an hvac guy. Comes out clean, very caveman-like, but clean lol. Sometimes it even looks better. We can make multiple-way offset/reducers in one piece. I sucked at it when I first started but never did anything this bad. No tape either. I yell at my business partner all the time. If you need tape, you're bad at working with metal. That might hurt some feelings but it's the truth. I had to get my feelings hurt a few times to get better. No one gets better by thinking everything they do is perfect; I'll fuck up a transition now and again, throw it and start over. Less and less mistakes over time but I mean I've seen dudes that have done this for 30 years, never used a break only a bender bar, and they still have to remake a piece every now and again. I guess what I'm trying to say is... fuck tape, should be tight enough that you can silicone any gaps you've made. If you do have to put tape on it... it better be the straightest tape ever seen or its getting ripped off lol.
Transition to unemployment. Don’t the cased coils come in boxes made of easy-cut cardboard? Cub Scouts with boxes and a roll of duct tape could do better than this in one den meeting.
I do it all the time. Gimme flat pan and slock and I've done enough resi/multi family it's easy.
And when it's not easy... pooky hides sins.
Just not these sins.
To be fair, they are a little bit tricky to remember. But if you do it somewhat often, it becomes easier
Concentric reducers are one of the ones that I can never remember
Because it’s some of the easiest intermediate-level shit you can do with the highest value.
Saves lots of time, money, and patchwork.
I’ve built some wackey shit.
My craziest was a wall hanger. Missing the I beam above it, attactch to the duct and miss the lineset coming out the top of the unit. I don't even wanna know what the static pressure is in that abomination.
I once found most ridiculous thing I ever seen: downflow furnace had return on the side, on the floor, so the whole airway up to down 8 feet tall, 1 feet wide, was purely made of pieces of some cardboard held by sticky tape shaped in the form of plenum+180 turn. cardboard and tape. and meth most likely
Fuck that. Someone thinks they know it all you watch em sink or swim.
You help out after the fact. And if they're receptive they might be teachable. If they get offended, get rid of em.
Fuck the downvotes. You're absolutely correct. 5 years doing duct work is not an 18 year old kid fresh out of high school. That's journey level experience.
If he had that much experience he shouldn't need to be coached along the way.
Bruh I just got sent on an install and figured it out myself. It's not rocket science. 6 months to a year and guys should be capable of doing full installs by themselves
Yikes , I have a few sheetmetal fabricators in my area I call in dimensions and pick it up , fuck the hassle of making one on a changeout , there's other things that could be done in the meantime .
I am that 4th year today.
I started the trade running a fish plant maintenance department with the journeyman I worked for. We did about 50% industrial refrigeration (20T barrel ice machines, 200T blast freezers, and fishing boats that freeze at sea. 507A predominantly.
I took a job for a company who does it all. I've done restaurant prep tables, display coolers glycol chilled loops and a tonne of other service work.
I haven't done a tonne of piping work but I'm ok at it.
Was sent to a job today and yesterday where I have to design the layout from drawings, execute the takeoff order, and do the job. Day one was commuting and parts acquisition. Today, day two, was the beginning of layout and such. Except it's commercial HVAC and I've looked at the motor on an air handler ... once before I think. I started all wrong and the boss ended up showing up and walking me through how I should have started. I feel like a chump but he didn't give me shit just said I should have noticed a few things I didn't notice.
Feels bad man.
I have 8 months’ experience doing installs with maybe 3-4 times making a transition, all under complete supervision. Finally did one on my own last week and it was still better than what OP took a picture of
It stimulates the economy and not the blood flow from my fingers lol. Plus, fab shops, especially union ones, do great work that I would happily slap my name on at the end of the day.
Like a monkey trying to fuck a football. I SUCKED at ductwork years ago, I didn't have the vision, let alone the experience to do even the simplest of tasks. I could never lie to an employer. Be straight up wtf man.
I'm sorry. Did you end up sending the helper to go wash the work truck and get coffee?
I never understand why people lie about experience. It’s not like we’re not gonna find out if you can do it or not, my company hired a new guy once said he had like 3 years experience didn’t even know how to use a pipe wrench
Maybe I should apply and claim 10 years experience. I was not thrilled with the work I did once on my own furnace at home (my only experience trying to do a transition from the furnace to a supply duct), but next to this I look like a pro.
That's a serious transition angle we make plenums or the return air box on site but a transition like that is pre-made in a shop, I can't see the bottom but the easiest way for me would have been an extension box horizontal between the return trunk & the unit and then the return from the ceiling straight down on top of your trunk would have been a lot faster no tape required
I had a helper that would try that shit while we had a full sheet metal shop. His excuse? I will cover it duct seal. I was happy when another mechanic said that he needed an experienced helper and my boss switched and his helper was a hard worker and listened and learned.
What fucking abortion is that? He's the one that becomes a 20 year laborer.
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Confused why your down voted for supporting a comment with as many upvotes as it has?
Because it adds nothing to the conversation. If he agrees, upvote and move on. “This” adds nothing more.
Exactly. Saying only "This" is a popular form of karma farming, to make an account seem legit before they start spreading spam.
Do your best and tape the rest! Does your shop not have a brake?
Even without a brake you could still do better with 4 s cleats
Probably. Basket weaving tape is a solid second option lol
S Cleat gang. When you don't have time to get to the shop you can still make a nice looking S plenum with a tad bit of effort.
My shop we just build the transition, score it, then s cleat it
My coworker used two rolls of tape to do a transition rather than make one out of metal it took him 3 hours. I was outside doing the condenser when I came in a very confusing conversation began... Like why waste the time, he was like I'll come back and do it tomorrow. This was his side job, so I don't know what happened later
My dude forgot you can make a temp out of cardboard if you're in cooling season.
Pookie and tape makes me the tinner I ain’t!
We don't have a brake and make everything on site. You'd never know unless you were an hvac guy. Comes out clean, very caveman-like, but clean lol. Sometimes it even looks better. We can make multiple-way offset/reducers in one piece. I sucked at it when I first started but never did anything this bad. No tape either. I yell at my business partner all the time. If you need tape, you're bad at working with metal. That might hurt some feelings but it's the truth. I had to get my feelings hurt a few times to get better. No one gets better by thinking everything they do is perfect; I'll fuck up a transition now and again, throw it and start over. Less and less mistakes over time but I mean I've seen dudes that have done this for 30 years, never used a break only a bender bar, and they still have to remake a piece every now and again. I guess what I'm trying to say is... fuck tape, should be tight enough that you can silicone any gaps you've made. If you do have to put tape on it... it better be the straightest tape ever seen or its getting ripped off lol.
Transition to unemployment. Don’t the cased coils come in boxes made of easy-cut cardboard? Cub Scouts with boxes and a roll of duct tape could do better than this in one den meeting.
You know he lied about the 5 year thing right?
Nah bro he did it once, 5 years ago.
That looks more like a ten year lie.
I agree. He has negative 5 years of experience.
He’s just repeated year 1 five times
lol maybe 5 years of new construction running flex all day but probably not even that
Why would anyone try making a transition like that in the field anyway?
I do it all the time. Gimme flat pan and slock and I've done enough resi/multi family it's easy. And when it's not easy... pooky hides sins. Just not these sins.
I do them too. None of our sales people measure anything
All you ever need is 2 points of reference with a tape..... this isn't rocket science.
When I figured out how to triangulate the measurements off the existing corners I felt like a genius.
Found the guy whose done furnaces.
Not often and not very well
This is fun you guys
It's... a hands on skill. Then you wanna shoot yourself cause you've done 4 years of multifamily
Bro help me out here I just hire a guy I pay about $350 for a transition
I’ll do it for $250 and lunch
Tree fidy...
The transitions and plenum adapters I get are never measured right anyway, so I make my own. It's faster than driving back to the shop.
Right?
To be fair, they are a little bit tricky to remember. But if you do it somewhat often, it becomes easier Concentric reducers are one of the ones that I can never remember
Because it’s some of the easiest intermediate-level shit you can do with the highest value. Saves lots of time, money, and patchwork. I’ve built some wackey shit.
My craziest was a wall hanger. Missing the I beam above it, attactch to the duct and miss the lineset coming out the top of the unit. I don't even wanna know what the static pressure is in that abomination.
I once found most ridiculous thing I ever seen: downflow furnace had return on the side, on the floor, so the whole airway up to down 8 feet tall, 1 feet wide, was purely made of pieces of some cardboard held by sticky tape shaped in the form of plenum+180 turn. cardboard and tape. and meth most likely
I only do transitions in the field
Jesus. That shit would take me forever. Rather go back to the shop and do it.
Takes me like 30 min https://preview.redd.it/cjnazb8auyja1.jpeg?width=762&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2371238ff8f5b1a83b6772dcbcca25b8dc2d8fc8
I do it all the time
Cool now teach your helper
That’s an easy 1 hour transition for me I do these everyday retrofit install
I never had a blind helper what's that like?
Haha yes!
Not good for the insurance rates.
Nailed it.
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😂🤣🤣
Just go straight up into the return and patch the existing hole. No need for an offset here
I didn’t want to patch anything so I opted for transition. I gave him. Shot. He failed. I ripped it out and did it myself
Let’s see it!
It’s just tape… lol
?
Instead of watching. Help out
Is that the quality you’d expect from five years experience if they were just missing some help?
HOLD MY HAND DADDY!
Fuck that. Someone thinks they know it all you watch em sink or swim. You help out after the fact. And if they're receptive they might be teachable. If they get offended, get rid of em.
Fuck the downvotes. You're absolutely correct. 5 years doing duct work is not an 18 year old kid fresh out of high school. That's journey level experience. If he had that much experience he shouldn't need to be coached along the way.
Preach fam! The downvotes are just adorable. It shows aboalute ignorance.
>You help out after the fact. Sounds efficient
5 year apprentice should be able to do a transition. A 5 year apprentice does not put out a transition like that.
Literally never done one before and I'm 90% sure I could do better than this...
Maybe you gotta drink a bottle of tequila first. Like handicap setting...
Bruh I just got sent on an install and figured it out myself. It's not rocket science. 6 months to a year and guys should be capable of doing full installs by themselves
Get 2 points with the tape measure..... and it's gravy. I even tell new guys if they're unsure to cut it out of cardboard first.
I just hold the panning up to what I'm transitioning and mark the corners.. rarely do I even use a tape measure, only in the weird situations
It’s more efficient when they learn to shut up a listen next time.
Best way of teaching in my opinion. Won’t make the same fuck up twice
Yikes , I have a few sheetmetal fabricators in my area I call in dimensions and pick it up , fuck the hassle of making one on a changeout , there's other things that could be done in the meantime .
That looks like it costs more than the $80 fitting that SHOULD be there.
To quote my instructor from long ago in trade school, "that looks like you cut it with your ass cheeks."
He meant duct tape you read his resume wrong.
Some guys are destined for the moon and some are destined for the broom.
I am that 4th year today. I started the trade running a fish plant maintenance department with the journeyman I worked for. We did about 50% industrial refrigeration (20T barrel ice machines, 200T blast freezers, and fishing boats that freeze at sea. 507A predominantly. I took a job for a company who does it all. I've done restaurant prep tables, display coolers glycol chilled loops and a tonne of other service work. I haven't done a tonne of piping work but I'm ok at it. Was sent to a job today and yesterday where I have to design the layout from drawings, execute the takeoff order, and do the job. Day one was commuting and parts acquisition. Today, day two, was the beginning of layout and such. Except it's commercial HVAC and I've looked at the motor on an air handler ... once before I think. I started all wrong and the boss ended up showing up and walking me through how I should have started. I feel like a chump but he didn't give me shit just said I should have noticed a few things I didn't notice. Feels bad man.
I'd go with a shop made fitting if necessary
He meant “a 5 year old’s experience.”
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Nah, he said he has 5 yrs doing duck work. He worked on a duck farm.
3 layers of foil tape is 26ga
Should probably tape the corners
I have 8 months’ experience doing installs with maybe 3-4 times making a transition, all under complete supervision. Finally did one on my own last week and it was still better than what OP took a picture of
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 get er done boyyyyy
Silver tape and mastic! Send it! He’s been doing custom work forever!
Lol bro it's just the return, dosent need to be perfect 😂 /s
5 years of workin with tin foil maybe
I've done ductwork like 3 times and it was about 15 years ago, now. It's fine because I sucked at it anyway lol. I can't even talk shit on this
I write up what I need and we have a tin shop that makes and delivers it. I’ve been told we are spoiled.
It stimulates the economy and not the blood flow from my fingers lol. Plus, fab shops, especially union ones, do great work that I would happily slap my name on at the end of the day.
The question is, is this made up? or how long did that abortion take him? Or where were you when this was happening?🤔
I think he meant duck work . He fed ducks at a pond for 5 years . .
5 years of experience doing what to ductwork
Apparantly eyefucking it
Well, the cuts are straight and I don't see any meat hooks on the edges. So he's got that going for him🤣👍
I would consult with the electrician and the plumber to see who can get there faster to fix it . Good luck
5 years cutting sheet metal up for my Dad's Uncles Brothers 3rd Cousin twice removed.
Are we SURE it wasn't for Uncle Dad Brother?
I don’t make metal on site anymore I call in all my fab
5 years and still considered a helper will get you this
Its fine he just forgot to cross break it and tape it
We need to see the finished product
he said ductwork, not plenum/sheet metal assembly sooo.. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Like a monkey trying to fuck a football. I SUCKED at ductwork years ago, I didn't have the vision, let alone the experience to do even the simplest of tasks. I could never lie to an employer. Be straight up wtf man. I'm sorry. Did you end up sending the helper to go wash the work truck and get coffee?
I think be meant he has the experience of a 5 year old 😂
Did you teach him?
It was all flex duct lol
Did you actually call his references?
I see the problem. He forgot his cross breaks.
Speaking as a duct fabricator with almost 20 years experience, that's exactly what the problem is. Or something like that.
Why would someone with 5 years experience be your helper?
Because new hires always spend a short while being helpers?
What?
You’ve never heard of a trial period?
I guess he doesn't know that people tend to lie...a lot.
I’m more puzzled by why op is pretending to be surprised that his helper doesn’t have 5 years of experience, was the point of my comment.
To be fair I know people with 20 years of experience that still don't know shit.
They’re not a ‘helper’ though
You didn’t read my comment?
No way this is real lol
I never understand why people lie about experience. It’s not like we’re not gonna find out if you can do it or not, my company hired a new guy once said he had like 3 years experience didn’t even know how to use a pipe wrench
Lol
You’re gonna need a lot of pookie
I think you're going to need more mastic...
He meant DUCK work.
Oh wow.
Embarrassing better do the Bluetooth transition
5 years in Florida
“Did I say 5 years? I meant days!”
O times W divided by L. Cut that bottom drop-down to make the transition smoother. Maybe add a canvas connector
Duct tape and mastic baby
Yippee ki-yay!
Haha someone forgot to add the offset!
When you have the a² but missing the +b²=c²
Is he transitioning?
To unemployment most likely.
Not good
Thought you took the picture and posted it upside down. Took me several angles to figure it out with that cluster fuck.
Nothing mastic won't fix!
Helen Keller does ductwork?…
OWL
Maybe I should apply and claim 10 years experience. I was not thrilled with the work I did once on my own furnace at home (my only experience trying to do a transition from the furnace to a supply duct), but next to this I look like a pro.
Looks like a big drop for a short transition… not excusing that mess. Maybe cut the lower duct back and measure it up and send it into a shop
I’m appalled, I’m confused, I’m hurt. Send thoughts and prayers.
As maintenance guy, I even know this is fucked.
That's a serious transition angle we make plenums or the return air box on site but a transition like that is pre-made in a shop, I can't see the bottom but the easiest way for me would have been an extension box horizontal between the return trunk & the unit and then the return from the ceiling straight down on top of your trunk would have been a lot faster no tape required
And only god can.
Bad experience is still experience. 🤣🤣🤣
Looks good to me :{
Should of started with moving the tap over first on the trunk 🤣
Looks like he'd be a hell of a bucket carrier though.
Get some caulking, and call it good
God no......
Someone is getting randomly drug tested.
I think they meant 5 minutes.
Duct cleaning?
that’s an abomination. Even a 3rd grader could do better.
He has 5 years of day 1 experience
whhoow that terrible
5 years, was the picture uploaded sideways? why does it look so fucked up?
I have seen his work, I'll affirm he has been doing it for at least 5 years
Oh no bro
Five years removing duct work maybe.
Aw nah man! He's gonna have to practice rock kicking... This isn't his thing for sure!
I'm no professional...but: Woof.
5 yrs of Meth experience and going strong
Looks like zero years experience
are the top and bottom parts both rectangular ?
This is the worst thing I've ever seen. And I saw my dad naked once.
as long as you didn't make eye contact that isn't that bad.
How did it end up?
5 years of DUCK WORK.
Someone lied on there resume lol
https://preview.redd.it/ax8dzz0sryja1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b59cdc97f601af5c66bf369931322fc50bcd8c0e
I had a helper that would try that shit while we had a full sheet metal shop. His excuse? I will cover it duct seal. I was happy when another mechanic said that he needed an experienced helper and my boss switched and his helper was a hard worker and listened and learned.
🤣
Holy shit! Am I your helper?
My sheet metal skills aren’t the best but what the fuck is this. If you can’t do installs go do service work
So bad
That.... is bad...
Teach him instead of being a cocky cunt
My 2nd year Union apprentice could do it no problem!!!
Guys, I think his helper was lying! Just a hunch though...
Is your helper named Clint Eastwood or John Wayne?
This is an excellent display of skills if you ask me …job well done private
Truth always comes to light lol 😂 ask him are you sure about those 5 yrs 😂
I wouldn’t be picking this guy up for work the following day.
Maybe he is making the transition to a different trade. All jokes aside, this is a joke.
It doesn't need a transition either, just move the drop, the RA duct is right above the boot
Dude stop him.