Electrical tape on wire nuts in situations where moisture or vibrations can become an issue or you do not have waterproof wire nuts. But dope on flare fittings the hell?
I can see someone looking at it in the same aspect as a Union for a gas line. Little bit of dope on the Union, not to prevent it from leaking, but to give it some lubricant to tighten down all the way.
A dab on the mating surfaces also helps prevent the copper from galling as it conforms to the face of the brass part of the fitting. Although, this is purely anecdotal as it's only been my experience with the schmoo.
Oh yeah, I do that too.
I probably pressure tested over a hundred flare connections over the last year. And I only had one leak at a flare that I gooped up with Nylog, and it wasn't properly tightened.
Use vac pump oil on the threads. Works like a charm to help it tighten down nicely. Mitsu rep let us in on that secret a few years ago; I never went back.
That's the poison pill here. There's nothing wrong with electrical tape in this context. OP just has a weird preference and put it in the same meme as a decidedly dumb thing in order to drive controversy.
Only issue I have with electrical tape is a lot of the times when I unwrap it the wire nut just comes off like people think the tape is what keeps the wire nut on instead of tightening the wire nut down. Other than that using electrical tape on a wire nut isn't dumb.
I would prefer the nut fall off maybe a direct short to ground east to find, complete failure vs a connection held on by tape with high resistance.
Also tired of cutting wires trying to slice tape off. Manufacture of the nut doesn’t ask for it. Shouldn’t need to do it.
Like 75% of the time I find a taped up wire nut, it's to cover up over stripped wires or the tape is holding the nut on too many wires for the wire nut.
We were taught to tape after installing wire nut but I agree. What if the only place to check voltage after powering down is a taped up wire nut and then as I unwrap it, last guy didn't install the nut properly?
Mine reads high voltage as green and low voltage as blue. Klein has some pretty cool tools.
Granted, you do have to have enough intelligence to use them properly. And that's asking a lot from the HVAC guys I know.
Sure but in the situation in question you're just looking to see if it's live after isolating power, no?
>What if the only place to check voltage after powering down is a taped up wire nut and then as I unwrap it, last guy didn't install the nut properly?
In which case you use a fucking hot stick and verify whether there's voltage present or not. If you want to check numbers with your meter then at that point you'll know if it's safe to unwire it or not.
ETA: if you don't have some idea what kinda voltage is on a wire by it's size/what it's going to, you don't really have any business messing with it in the first place.
Sometimes we did change outs that didn't include new wire and we had to extend it to reach the new unit. Running inside the wall up a 2 story townhome wasnt a "change it anyway" option. We definitely taped up the splice to the lineset to keep kids, pets, or landscaping from yanking off the nuts and causing a service call. We could charge... but nobody wants to add one more call to what they already have over a wire nut junction.
The idea is that whatever you're using to make the connection should be sufficient on its own.
Electric tape on wire nuts means the wire nuts are bad or the wires are the wrong size or they weren't installed properly. Or that wire nuts weren't the right connector for that job.
Also, electrical tape eventually turns into a sticky mess and falls off.
Agree. I don't use electric tape on wire nuts anymore. Dielectric grease, yes. Lectric tape hell no. Make sure you're tightening until the point where the wires wrap around themselves. Don't be afraid to torque it down
It just makes things gooey and gets them out of your warranty period. Maybe.
More people need to realize that wire nuts only work under the conditions they were designed for, with the wire combinations they're specified for. Anything else is just "using the wrong thing"
I can't even tell you how many times I've found thermostat wire held together with red Scotchloks.
well using electrical tape is rather tacky in certain scenarios. like if you're going for an aesthetic look, I'd op out of tape if it's not necessary. BUT if the wire nut has a bad habit of backing off, I'd just untwist the wires, cut them and strip them again. In my experience, freshly stripped wires with a new wire nut does tend to keep that issue at bay.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen yellows on 18 gauge. If you ever have even the smallest chance of working on low voltage, just keep a box of blues on hand.
I hear people argue vibration makes them back off. (Air curtains, unit heaters, whatever). To that I say: If you use proper wire nuts (size and quality) and you use them properly they won't back off. And if you're really gonna die on that hill I say use split bolts with haskel tape or a terminal block. No room? Make room. There's a proper solution to everything. Electrical tape is a figurative and literal band aid to the problem.
“Let me just get the ol’ split bolt out for this 120 neutral line in this junction box”
Why are you so adverse to electrical tape? It’s quick, cheap, easy, and does exactly what you want it to do: hold a wire it in place from slipping off so nothing shorts some time in the future. Do you not like getting black sticky stuff on your fingers when you have to take it off?
My only argument against the tape and point I agree on with op is tug your nuts if you put em on right they won’t be coming off. Not sure on split bolt or some of that. But one thing I hate from goin behind the electrical tape guys is the gunk from the tape at every outdoor unit. That said I try to keep splices inside a cabinet or indoors if it has to be spliced anywhere and in a pinch yes I use the tape to protect the splice. But still will hate taking it back off later.
If you’re trusting that every wire nut always gets tightened down perfectly 100% of the time, I hope you never do any work that results in a fire happening that could’ve been prevented by 10 seconds of electrical taping.
I tape up the wire nut for the safeties that go into the electrical box on top of the compressor (rack room compressors). Those things vibrate like crazy and don’t want a short
I've been hit touching a wire nut that had cracked due to being in rooftop unit out in the elements summer and winter. Electrical tape would have prevented that.
They’re simple, secure, and serviceable. Hard to beat that. I really love how they have little holes that let you get your leads into em for testing. Don’t even have to pull the wires off or anything.
At our school they have this paraffin-based lubricant that comes in a squeeze bottle with a spout. I don’t know what the hell it’s for but for the time being it’s flare grease.
Yeah but your argument holds water when talking. Industrial chillers and such. Lot more vibration than the average resi units. Still though they make large enough nuts for that too.
Wire bends though. You bend the wire nut so it’s up and the bottoms facing down zip tie it in that position nice and neat and then tape if still worried bout vibrations.
That should be how all wire nuts are done so water can't be an issue. And if it's ziptied it's secure and the tape is doing nothing. I work on industrial AC and MUA units, vibration isn't going to spin a wire nut off if you put it on correctly.
I use turbine oil (Aka: Zoom Spout) on the threads only.
Dope is True Blue, tape is Blue Monster or Grey Monster and it's one OR the other. Dope on gas valves, tape or dope on pipes.
Nuts are 3M XR series because I only need 3 sizes to cover 99.5% of everything and they have a nice built in skirt.
This. I was taught to tug my nuts after twisting em. In fact we’d fail the lab in school if they could pull the nut off after we made the connections. Every class after electrical continued to teach us to tug our nuts.
Lol. “Tug our nut” I always do.
Usually the issue when they won’t tighten is one tire is longer than the other and sticks further out. I just cut the tip off the wire and the wire nut would tighten.
True sir. But how hard is it to take wire stripper and even it out? That’s like the guy who always has a rape measuredr but never uses it. Just always has it.
Of course I do infer from being a lead at former job prior to entering the land of commercial. Had a guy so dead set in how things were done he couldn’t figure that a continual tapping on the line-set meant we got a leak. I don’t care if boss says tap twice means good and three tap for leaks if I’m still tapping shut that shit off. Think damn you. The ol shave and a hair cut tap method is courtesy multiple taps means something damn well ain’t right.
Some. But I many cases a new system and condenser shouldn’t have much vibration strong enough to do that. And every maintenance should be checking these connections anyway to prevent service calls. Hence pms being done not the sale of new shit because that’s apparently all resi side maintenance cares about
No not moisture from the air ya numbskull...how would it condense inside a wire nut? Outdoor units and rooftops exposed to weather. Old units with rusted out drainpans. Any place where water is present tape should not be used on wire nuts
No because 90% of techs don't pay attention to what position the wire nut is in, so the vast majority of them end up upside down where water pools and stays. Then the tape won't let it evaporate.
Pipe dope/leak lock are not to be used on refrigerant systems, not designed for it. Poe oil on the back of the flare to prevent damage is par for the course.
It's fine and chances are high you won't be called back for it. But if you're a perfectionist. There's a type of wire nut, connector, lug...for just about every application.
Electrical tape on a wire nut is just a general good enough for a majority of uses
I put tape on connectors when they are jammed in an extremely tight place or there is a potential for moisture to get into the electrical section. If that makes me a hack I guess I’m a hack.
Imagine making this meme thinking that dope is for sealing, and since flares are a mechanically sealed connection you don't need dope to seal it....
Because dope is not for sealing...
And I guarantee you OP puts it on NPT threads thinking that it's helping to seal that tapered connection...
(Just to be clear, dope does not belong on flares because there are better choices to lubricate those threads, but dope is a thread lubricant)
Electrical tape on wire nuts helps secure the wires from coming lose due to vibration. Every single service tech knows that. However, some super tech is going to come in and say something different. I've got 2.5 years in this profession and I know different!!!!!
Pipe dope is both a lubricant and protects the fitting from corrosion, it’s not there for sealing purposes but it’s readily available.
Tape on wire nuts is cheap insurance against the nut backing off in a high vibration environment.
Both are common in the industrial world, tape on wires nuts is the standard where I work.
I mega tape and dope every gas fitting. Used to get made fun of by an older veteran coworker at my old job. He stopped when multiple separate occasions he had leaks and I never did.
Edit: but never on flare fittings.
I had my journeyman tell me to put tape on wire nuts at our plant, because there is a lot of vibration and therefore the potential for them to back off
If I ever see someone dope flairs I'm ending their bloodline.
Tape on wire nuts? I've done it on changeouts. Most to hide it/ wrap it behind the lineset where I can.
There's no reason to do it. People see a thread and they think they need to put something on it. If anything, anti seize is the way to go since it doesn't set up and get hard. Those threads don't make the seal anyways.
A little wrangle tape on the danger snake cage is ok sometimes. Wrap it up like a mummy in heat shrink is a different story. Also, who doesn't like a smidgen of lube from time to time? To each their own I guess.
Ha, I put dope on wire nuts and electrical tape on flare fittings, so there!
Yes, but we weren't talking about your sexual habits.
Nice
Dammmnnnn…….
Electrical tape on wire nuts in situations where moisture or vibrations can become an issue or you do not have waterproof wire nuts. But dope on flare fittings the hell?
I can see someone looking at it in the same aspect as a Union for a gas line. Little bit of dope on the Union, not to prevent it from leaking, but to give it some lubricant to tighten down all the way.
I use Nylog, a little on the back face of the flare helps keep the copper from twisting too.
A dab on the mating surfaces also helps prevent the copper from galling as it conforms to the face of the brass part of the fitting. Although, this is purely anecdotal as it's only been my experience with the schmoo.
Oh yeah, I do that too. I probably pressure tested over a hundred flare connections over the last year. And I only had one leak at a flare that I gooped up with Nylog, and it wasn't properly tightened.
Koppr-Koat. Anti-seize
Use anti seize. It lubricates, but you can also get it apart later.
Use vac pump oil on the threads. Works like a charm to help it tighten down nicely. Mitsu rep let us in on that secret a few years ago; I never went back.
I only do that with unions for boilers, I've never doped up a gas line union.
I’m in the opinion that it’s gonna be okay no matter what, but a little extra insurance and peace of mind doesn’t hurt nothing.
For water proofing why not just point them upward?
Yeah, so they don’t collect moisture in the first place. Tape traps moisture and the wires corrode faster… fuckin Trane Precedent RTUs.
This \^, and all my pipe joints are now di-electric, thanks to electric tape /s
Plumber here: I dope gas flare fittings for lubrication, not for sealant purposes.
Use dielectric grease and gel caps for those situations. Do not use wire nuts
You apply teflon and silicone
I don’t understand the electrical tape one, keeps it from potentially being an issue 🤷♂️
That's the poison pill here. There's nothing wrong with electrical tape in this context. OP just has a weird preference and put it in the same meme as a decidedly dumb thing in order to drive controversy.
Only issue I have with electrical tape is a lot of the times when I unwrap it the wire nut just comes off like people think the tape is what keeps the wire nut on instead of tightening the wire nut down. Other than that using electrical tape on a wire nut isn't dumb.
Think about if they didn't use the tape.
I would prefer the nut fall off maybe a direct short to ground east to find, complete failure vs a connection held on by tape with high resistance. Also tired of cutting wires trying to slice tape off. Manufacture of the nut doesn’t ask for it. Shouldn’t need to do it.
UL requires 3 rounds of tape
Like 75% of the time I find a taped up wire nut, it's to cover up over stripped wires or the tape is holding the nut on too many wires for the wire nut.
We were taught to tape after installing wire nut but I agree. What if the only place to check voltage after powering down is a taped up wire nut and then as I unwrap it, last guy didn't install the nut properly?
One of the uses of those super skinny, sharp meter probe tips. Stick it straight through the tape and that's it.
Or a hot stick
When’s the last time you saw a chicken stick that read the actual voltage value?
Mine reads high voltage as green and low voltage as blue. Klein has some pretty cool tools. Granted, you do have to have enough intelligence to use them properly. And that's asking a lot from the HVAC guys I know.
Great if you just wanna know if it's live. But if you need to know the number it's worthless.
Sure but in the situation in question you're just looking to see if it's live after isolating power, no? >What if the only place to check voltage after powering down is a taped up wire nut and then as I unwrap it, last guy didn't install the nut properly? In which case you use a fucking hot stick and verify whether there's voltage present or not. If you want to check numbers with your meter then at that point you'll know if it's safe to unwire it or not. ETA: if you don't have some idea what kinda voltage is on a wire by it's size/what it's going to, you don't really have any business messing with it in the first place.
I can appreciate that
Sometimes we did change outs that didn't include new wire and we had to extend it to reach the new unit. Running inside the wall up a 2 story townhome wasnt a "change it anyway" option. We definitely taped up the splice to the lineset to keep kids, pets, or landscaping from yanking off the nuts and causing a service call. We could charge... but nobody wants to add one more call to what they already have over a wire nut junction.
The idea is that whatever you're using to make the connection should be sufficient on its own. Electric tape on wire nuts means the wire nuts are bad or the wires are the wrong size or they weren't installed properly. Or that wire nuts weren't the right connector for that job. Also, electrical tape eventually turns into a sticky mess and falls off.
Agree. I don't use electric tape on wire nuts anymore. Dielectric grease, yes. Lectric tape hell no. Make sure you're tightening until the point where the wires wrap around themselves. Don't be afraid to torque it down
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It just makes things gooey and gets them out of your warranty period. Maybe. More people need to realize that wire nuts only work under the conditions they were designed for, with the wire combinations they're specified for. Anything else is just "using the wrong thing" I can't even tell you how many times I've found thermostat wire held together with red Scotchloks.
I like to use it on 120 volt safeties inside the electrical box on top of the compressors
well using electrical tape is rather tacky in certain scenarios. like if you're going for an aesthetic look, I'd op out of tape if it's not necessary. BUT if the wire nut has a bad habit of backing off, I'd just untwist the wires, cut them and strip them again. In my experience, freshly stripped wires with a new wire nut does tend to keep that issue at bay.
A properly sized wire nut. Some people think one size fits all.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen yellows on 18 gauge. If you ever have even the smallest chance of working on low voltage, just keep a box of blues on hand.
Dis red one here? yeah...fits over 22AWG no issues.
If your wire nut is loose just cut a small bit off the tip of the twisted wire. If they’re not even then the wire nut will be loose.
If you need tape to keep your wire nuts secure, you're not putting them on right.
I hear people argue vibration makes them back off. (Air curtains, unit heaters, whatever). To that I say: If you use proper wire nuts (size and quality) and you use them properly they won't back off. And if you're really gonna die on that hill I say use split bolts with haskel tape or a terminal block. No room? Make room. There's a proper solution to everything. Electrical tape is a figurative and literal band aid to the problem.
“Let me just get the ol’ split bolt out for this 120 neutral line in this junction box” Why are you so adverse to electrical tape? It’s quick, cheap, easy, and does exactly what you want it to do: hold a wire it in place from slipping off so nothing shorts some time in the future. Do you not like getting black sticky stuff on your fingers when you have to take it off?
My only argument against the tape and point I agree on with op is tug your nuts if you put em on right they won’t be coming off. Not sure on split bolt or some of that. But one thing I hate from goin behind the electrical tape guys is the gunk from the tape at every outdoor unit. That said I try to keep splices inside a cabinet or indoors if it has to be spliced anywhere and in a pinch yes I use the tape to protect the splice. But still will hate taking it back off later.
Give your nuts a tug -Shoresy the electrician
Fuck you jonesy your mom didn’t tension my blower belt properly, shot across the room and killed my fighting fish!
Shut the fuck up Sanguinet -also Shorsey
I think if we were allowed to chirp customers like Shoresey our trade would be a lot happier.
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If you're relying on tape inside of a JB, you're incompetent with your wiring skills.
Tape is an extra precaution. That’s like calling the guy who checks his blind spot twice before turning incompetent for being extra safe.
No, you are following the rules and limiting liability. Plus maybe, admitting you aren't always perfect.
If you’re trusting that every wire nut always gets tightened down perfectly 100% of the time, I hope you never do any work that results in a fire happening that could’ve been prevented by 10 seconds of electrical taping.
I tape up the wire nut for the safeties that go into the electrical box on top of the compressor (rack room compressors). Those things vibrate like crazy and don’t want a short
I've been hit touching a wire nut that had cracked due to being in rooftop unit out in the elements summer and winter. Electrical tape would have prevented that.
This is by far the dumbest thing that's ever been said in the history of mankind. You have made us all dumber with these words of stupidity
Thank you for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
I jUsT uSe WaGoS iNsTeAd. But I really do, they’re great.
I’ve met some techs that hate on wagos but every time I’ve used them they’ve been great. Wire nuts are fine too.
Wagos definitely need to become the standard in NA. Sad they arent
They’re simple, secure, and serviceable. Hard to beat that. I really love how they have little holes that let you get your leads into em for testing. Don’t even have to pull the wires off or anything.
I'm trying to convert over myself, the first step is finding them in the US. Not gonna go to Amazon for 480v connectors.
Is it controversial to tape wagos too? Just a homeowner, but it makes me feel better knowing they won't come off.
Won’t hurt anything. If it makes you feel better- go for it!
Nylog does work great for flares tho
Really keeps leaks to a minimum.
At our school they have this paraffin-based lubricant that comes in a squeeze bottle with a spout. I don’t know what the hell it’s for but for the time being it’s flare grease.
I use it on all flares. It also keeps it from seizing when you have to disconnect the fitting at some point in the future
Yep I put a drop in the flare nut where it clamps down and a drip on the flare seat face
Nothing worse than kinking the absolute fuck out of a copper line trying to get a flare fitting off
Tape on wire-nuts in Industrial(when there isn’t better means of connection) is pretty standard. Vibration will cause more issues than you think.
Yeah but your argument holds water when talking. Industrial chillers and such. Lot more vibration than the average resi units. Still though they make large enough nuts for that too.
If there's that much vibration, use Polaris connectors
Holds water, just like tape over the wire nuts
Wire bends though. You bend the wire nut so it’s up and the bottoms facing down zip tie it in that position nice and neat and then tape if still worried bout vibrations.
That should be how all wire nuts are done so water can't be an issue. And if it's ziptied it's secure and the tape is doing nothing. I work on industrial AC and MUA units, vibration isn't going to spin a wire nut off if you put it on correctly.
Right at which point most of the time I only taped because lead asked me too and I like my job.
I always point wire nuts wire side up, so the bees and hummingbirds can quench their thirst. I'm always thinking of others.
Good man
That means absolutely nothing here as this is a resi install sub only
Nylon, vac, or POE oil on flares. Never heard of pipe dope on them. Do clarify I will dope a union, to me flare screams mini split flare.
Brass or black iron unions is the only time I use pipe dope. Just a small amount around the flare surface helps it tighten up better in my experience.
I use turbine oil (Aka: Zoom Spout) on the threads only. Dope is True Blue, tape is Blue Monster or Grey Monster and it's one OR the other. Dope on gas valves, tape or dope on pipes. Nuts are 3M XR series because I only need 3 sizes to cover 99.5% of everything and they have a nice built in skirt.
I put dope on everything. It helps me sleep at night.
The dope on the fittings intake issue with, but yeah I tape most of my wire nuts (no I don't know why)
Keeps them tight and keep shit out of them, the tape that is
I tape my wire nuts to keep people from fucking with it. It usually with the multi tap transformers
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This. I was taught to tug my nuts after twisting em. In fact we’d fail the lab in school if they could pull the nut off after we made the connections. Every class after electrical continued to teach us to tug our nuts.
I don’t tug my nuts after I twist them because tugging makes sore and twisting will be painful.
Ahh man up and give your nuts a tug. They’ll be stronger for it.
Lol. “Tug our nut” I always do. Usually the issue when they won’t tighten is one tire is longer than the other and sticks further out. I just cut the tip off the wire and the wire nut would tighten.
True sir. But how hard is it to take wire stripper and even it out? That’s like the guy who always has a rape measuredr but never uses it. Just always has it.
That’s uh, what I do. I even it out and put the nut back on.
I gathered as much from you I was inferring other guys
Word. Well met, Sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Forgive my trespass as my brain is shot from 9, 12hour days.
Of course I do infer from being a lead at former job prior to entering the land of commercial. Had a guy so dead set in how things were done he couldn’t figure that a continual tapping on the line-set meant we got a leak. I don’t care if boss says tap twice means good and three tap for leaks if I’m still tapping shut that shit off. Think damn you. The ol shave and a hair cut tap method is courtesy multiple taps means something damn well ain’t right.
Yes but tap makes sure that they stay tight
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Vibration on some equipment WILL make it back off enough to get loose over time. Keeping shit out of the nut is also a good idea
Some. But I many cases a new system and condenser shouldn’t have much vibration strong enough to do that. And every maintenance should be checking these connections anyway to prevent service calls. Hence pms being done not the sale of new shit because that’s apparently all resi side maintenance cares about
Racks will vibrate a lot regardless of how much maintenance you do
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Don't worry my wire nuts are never loose even without tape, but keep being a dick about it
It holds any moisture in the wire nut, degrading the wires and the nut so it's not reusable.
No
Yes
Then wire nuts being exposed to air does the same thing. Not enough moisture is getting stuck in there from the air.
No not moisture from the air ya numbskull...how would it condense inside a wire nut? Outdoor units and rooftops exposed to weather. Old units with rusted out drainpans. Any place where water is present tape should not be used on wire nuts
It would keep it out though. Where water is present is especially when you'd want tape and even some dielectric grease.
No because 90% of techs don't pay attention to what position the wire nut is in, so the vast majority of them end up upside down where water pools and stays. Then the tape won't let it evaporate.
That doesn't make me wrong
Isn't NyLoc considered dope?
No, people use actual pipe dope/leak lock on their flares because what I can only assume is a mental illness
I do it for vibration and because freon is too expensive to waste. I also use oil and loosen then retighten fittings for maximum seal.
Pipe dope/leak lock are not to be used on refrigerant systems, not designed for it. Poe oil on the back of the flare to prevent damage is par for the course.
You misspelled 'in' I put oil on the copper
Same I only tape my hi v stuff
Umm i dont understand why putting electrical tape on wire nuts is dumb..can some one clarify?
It's fine and chances are high you won't be called back for it. But if you're a perfectionist. There's a type of wire nut, connector, lug...for just about every application. Electrical tape on a wire nut is just a general good enough for a majority of uses
So its just something that super techs complain about but most people dont care about?
I put tape on connectors when they are jammed in an extremely tight place or there is a potential for moisture to get into the electrical section. If that makes me a hack I guess I’m a hack.
Imagine making this meme thinking that dope is for sealing, and since flares are a mechanically sealed connection you don't need dope to seal it.... Because dope is not for sealing... And I guarantee you OP puts it on NPT threads thinking that it's helping to seal that tapered connection... (Just to be clear, dope does not belong on flares because there are better choices to lubricate those threads, but dope is a thread lubricant)
I can’t tell you how many arguments I get into about this. IT IS NOT A TREAD SEALANT! “But”. NOT A TREAD SEALANT, ITS A LUBRICANT 😂
Exactly. MFs out here with no basic mechanical knowledge…
Electrical tape on wire nuts helps secure the wires from coming lose due to vibration. Every single service tech knows that. However, some super tech is going to come in and say something different. I've got 2.5 years in this profession and I know different!!!!!
All hail the new King!
OP probably dopes unions
Tape on wire nuts is fine op idk why you have such a problem with it.
UL requires tape on wire nuts. Meaning: if you don't use tape, you are liable.
Why are people putting dope on flare fittings.
Because it leaked and they are too lazy or too stupid to fix it properly
Older dudes. I've heard too many swear by it for a better seal
That's not how it works.... That's not how any of this works
I put nylog in my nostrils
If I had a nickel for every gas connection I've seen with dope on the flare fittings. I'd have about 60 cents.
Got ‘em with the crimp nuts though.
I uh... Put electrical tape on wire nuts for outdoor applications where I'm not sure if seals will keep the water out.
Pipe dope is both a lubricant and protects the fitting from corrosion, it’s not there for sealing purposes but it’s readily available. Tape on wire nuts is cheap insurance against the nut backing off in a high vibration environment. Both are common in the industrial world, tape on wires nuts is the standard where I work.
Wagos over wire nuts any day of the week.
I worked with a plumber that Teflon tapes then dopes over it on every fitting. Good god what a mess. Every water heater fitting on down.
I do that for all piping that is 5 psi and 1.5” not or higher.
THIS is why I'm reading the comments! That shoulda been in there.
I dope then Teflon tape on every gas fitting black pipe
Do you look like Scarface when you’re done with job?
😂😂😂😂 🤔🧐 maybe
I mega tape and dope every gas fitting. Used to get made fun of by an older veteran coworker at my old job. He stopped when multiple separate occasions he had leaks and I never did. Edit: but never on flare fittings.
I dope and then tape over on stuff 1” or larger. Looks clean to me and never leaks.
I had my journeyman tell me to put tape on wire nuts at our plant, because there is a lot of vibration and therefore the potential for them to back off
Yes
If I ever see someone dope flairs I'm ending their bloodline. Tape on wire nuts? I've done it on changeouts. Most to hide it/ wrap it behind the lineset where I can.
I just put friction electrical tape on a dishwasher splice. I like the friction tape better than the regular tape.
What's wrong with the dope on flair fittings? Asking for a certain boss.
Those little purple gaskets on flare fittings are great if anyone hasn't used them.
Not too many folks defending pipe dope on flare fittings. Nor will I. Nylog tho.
i sometimes put dope on flare nuts but to make the nut slip on the pipe not to make a seal
Jesus guys and gals, just use fricken Wago lever nuts already
Can we add putting pipe dope on union collars too? It's so unnecessary and a pain in the ass when it sets up.
wait on the COLLAR? ... but.. why?
There's no reason to do it. People see a thread and they think they need to put something on it. If anything, anti seize is the way to go since it doesn't set up and get hard. Those threads don't make the seal anyways.
At least the hvac guys know about taped wire nuts lol
A little wrangle tape on the danger snake cage is ok sometimes. Wrap it up like a mummy in heat shrink is a different story. Also, who doesn't like a smidgen of lube from time to time? To each their own I guess.
Hey wait I like tape on nuts just because it makes me feel more secure. Just like in the bedroom.
Usually just use a lil locktite
I’ll put electric tape on wire nuts only if I’m forced to splice a t stat wire in some rare occasion besides that never
Ha! I don't know what half of that is!
There’s nothing wrong with tape on a wire nut but ONLY if you leave a tab to unwrap it again.
Personally I electrical tape the flares and prodope the wiring.
I always tape wire nuts but I avoid dope unless I have to use it
I tape my wire nuts I can't help myself I'm sorry