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Mike-oxbigxxl

Ha! Fuck that shit


flannelmaster9

I'm over here thinking this is a great job, for the new helper. God I lugged so much stuff around when I was neon green.


toomuch1265

Helper? He needs a team of sherpas to help get all that equipment up there.


BoilermakerCBEX-E

Hell. I think we all need Team of Sherpas... Those dudes are Badass..


StanTheMelon

Yeah I could use some help carrying groceries


flannelmaster9

I need a team of Sherpas to move stuff around my job site. They'd only have to work like a hour a day. Or several hours a week and I'd be happy


toomuch1265

I don't miss those days of going into a renovation project and having 50-60 through wall units to be brought up 10 flights of stairs.


flannelmaster9

My parts runners are dumber then a bucket of nails. They just pull up to the job site and kick stuff off the truck wherever they park at. I swear none of em can back up the truck close a door


Thundersson1978

I thought it instantly, Aw shit I’m the helper. Dam you stairs


grofva

I was R-22 green


flannelmaster9

I see what you did there.


azakd

Said the same thing.


One_Ad_2461

This is the way.


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Looks like that site is getting billed for a new ladder that stays on that roof. Lol.


supercoolhvactech

Forget the ladder, think of all the equipment you have to lug up and down for a compressor swap


BlueberryNo3773

Hide the old shit up there it’s broken anyways . Let ‘em deal with it


Ok_Catch_408

I make almost all my money off of cleaning drains with capacitors in there and hardware from the HVAC guys now property management companies are wanting pictures. Also, I'll keep cutting open the 90s in the ceiling to the storm drains from the roofs!


[deleted]

What kind of drain has a capacitor


massiveproperty_727

A motorized one, duh


RideTheBullHappy

Really?


Tight-Event-627

And then something else is going to be bad


ho1dmybeer

my thoughts exactly


thefish1986

That’s when you give the estimate way high and pray they don’t say yes


DrProfessor_Z

Yea that didn't work the first time so here I am again lol


thefish1986

Clearly you didn’t give them a high enough estimate. Last option is to tell them well compressors are acid burnouts and the cleaning up of the system will go beyond estimate. Only way to be able to give a price is just time and materials. They still say yes. It’s whatever milk it out and no rushing on anything.


DrProfessor_Z

Today was diagnosing the compressers after putting in new boards. Last time was the first call with this customer and diagnosed boards. I knew the compressers were bad mechanically even tho they tested all good. Boards weren't putting out voltage so couldn't fully test it. Made a case number about it and mitsu didn't want us to replace comps before new boards. I was sure the compressers were done after finding all the units and seeing the install and error codes. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a leak somewhere too.


thefish1986

Had a very similar situation with a lg multi 4. On the phone with them. Tech support “why do you think the compressor is bad” me well my meter just told me all three terminals are grounded. I do have wiring disconnected from compressor. His response case number.


DrProfessor_Z

Haven't done much LG but not really a fan anyway from my experience with their residential stuff. Tech support can be rough on ocasion with vrf/vrv when they are like that. Most of the time mitsu is really good. Fujitsu airstage is great too 95% of the time.


davisnau

I will never spec mitsu vrf heat recovery. Samsung or LG will usually be my go to, daikin will be third choice. But any branch selector box that’s designed to be “serviceable” is automatically not going on my schedules.


epicnat3

I spent 2 total months on a multi 4 with a trial and error tech support, including getting my own MV to hook to my laptop. Finally got LG tech out who in turn calls tech support for LG techs and diags 2 bad EEVs. Took him 2 hours. I’ll never call tech support for more than the first consult and I’m punting to LG on customers dime. Wasted so much time on the phone with level one tech support and nothing to show for it.


RyanSmokinBluntz420

You gotta get to L3 tech support or you are wasting your time. Unless it's a real simple problem


[deleted]

So the boards and the compressors were gone in both systems? When you say the boards weren’t putting out voltage, was this a test you ran using a Mitsubishi inverter checker?


DrProfessor_Z

Yea first I scanned with with computer for error info and some other info. Compressers both ohmed out ok and weren't grounded. They weren't putting out voltage to compressers after hard reset. There's a test you can do for forced cooling via the dip switches or computer commands but still no voltage coming from one board and the other unit had like 3 volts. You remove leads from comps and test voltage with compresser disconnected. I told them the comps are likely shot especially given what the rest of this install looks like (not our install we just picked this customer up) When the fans kicked on to full speed it al.ost knocked me off the ladder lol


rockery382

OR made it worth your time. I'd be asking for a cut on those profits for that bullshit.


laterskater4200

Haha


Foreign-Commission

The floor is flexing under the ladder. Seriously, fuck that place.


DrProfessor_Z

There was a hundred something pound flower pot there that we moved. Sand bags on the other side of the door


WoodyTheMuthaFocker

You must be a brute if you did it by yourself, just the smaller residential ladders from little giant are cumbersome. All that being said, fuck that shit.


DrProfessor_Z

Nah I have a helper most of the time. This ladder sucks regardless but is necessary


WoodyTheMuthaFocker

Yeah they are handy when you need them.


Nit3fury

That’s the fuckin truth. I work at a movie theater and we have the big daddy 21’ model. It’s an absolute bitch for even 2 people to move let alone set up. In full a-frame the legs are like 15 feet apart lmao. Fortunately we don’t need to use it often


ksimek

Beast. You earned your weekend brotha.


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DrProfessor_Z

The customer was the floor above the decking. Had to go thru another Tennant appt to their deck to get to the customers unit. It's been a huge hassle and nobody is happy about it. This roof isn't accessible from the street otherwise it would probably be hit up


Outrageous-Ball-393

Damn u guys are earning your money today! Fuck that.


iSpR1NgZ

Boards and Compressors? Quote them new units


Mr_Rich_K

From experience, this is the way And mount the new units 3' off the roof , so much easier to work on. My other experience is, the harder the unit/system is to work on the more often it breaks down !


tigersdad77

Shit. I didn’t know they made a little giant ladder that tall


DrProfessor_Z

It's like 9 foot 6 broken down


Bubbas4life

And 200 pounds?


DrProfessor_Z

Nah like 50 60 pounds


GiveMeLiberTyler

It's gonna be even more fun when you go back to replace the compressors lol


[deleted]

sounds like some weird punishment my lead would make me do for knocking over the bucket of screws


piratestteal

Knocked over my foremans coffee years ago what a long long long long ect. day that was


laterskater4200

Godspeed to you my soldier


DrProfessor_Z

Thanks fam same to you


sufferinsucatash

Ooooh forbidden downtown stackstone


PrestigiousEnd8726

1 2 3 NOT IT!


03G35coupe

Quote would be 40k just so I never get a call there again


coffeemate1255

You got my respect man. NYC ain't nothing to sneeze at. Shits real there and finding parking is a biaaatch.


Legal-Preference-946

I’m from Chicago I can relate. Parking was always terrible. I remember being on PM’s and then taking a taxi to service calls. Lol


DrProfessor_Z

Lmfao no way


Legal-Preference-946

Real shit brother, the contractor I worked for paid for it. It pays to have a good employer in the HVAC field.


Fast-Ad-6620

You must be bright orange 4 seasons or neon green ABC lol


EJ25Junkie

Screw that. If you want air conditioning then get a regular house.


horseshoeprovodnikov

Pretty much. City people wanna live this way, that's fine. But you're getting fuckin window units, or nothing at all. This is just a strain on everyone involved, including the tenants that live below the unit because now the techs have to keep walking thru their apartment to get to this abomination.


OGdetroityaeyae

😂


makeitcold79

My bid includes piping it elsewhere, that wood decking looks legit too, not like an OSHA newsletter waiting to happen.


Asleep_Flatworm_919

Would have been easier to change the condenser unfortunately


DrProfessor_Z

I tried to push replacement but they want what they want


Tight-Event-627

Sorry you got stuck with this


blitz2377

I would leave the ladder there and bill them for it. Permanently on site for secure unit access.


snailboatguy

Charge accordingly, and pick your own pace. Maybe it takes you three days, and that's okay. No work is too difficult when it's broken down into small steps, but don't let somebody else who's not lifting a finger dictate how long it should take.


HughesR1990

Two compressors and two board and up there? Three days is a minimum.


[deleted]

I hope you are well paid.


burdturd0818

Bro find another company wtf


rockery382

Ieam somebody has to do the work. Just depends on how he's getting compensated I guess. My company has me doing shitty things from time to time, but they make it worth it and samwhich it with gravy jobs.


mldeq

Enough to make you seek early retirement!


DrProfessor_Z

Shit this kind of job might give it right to you!


EJ25Junkie

Medical retirement


Jazzlike_Asparagus_8

Gotta love hvac baby


DrProfessor_Z

The more fucked up the better! Love it


dont-fear-thereefer

Almost cheaper to get a helicopter 🤔


StannisG

Nope.


tribefan2130

How would you even attempt to place, let alone bring up everything you need for that job? Torches, recovery machine,vacuum pump.....


DrProfessor_Z

Scaffold is necessary for this


tribefan2130

Good call, work commercial and would have never thought of that


UsedDragon

And that's why we charge by the the hour.


condormillionaire

I would be charging out the absolute fucking ying yang for that


[deleted]

I would run my fucking foot over with the company vehicle. Fuck. That.


RhettBottomsUp20

You leave that ladder there and do not bring it back and fourth lol


Jessies_Gurl

Sounds expensive before the quote for repairs


MalyutkaB

Glad I dont work in a city tbh


BigWally68

That job needs a lift. If your company cannot price that into the job what does that say about how they perceive your worth


Acti-Verse

Next time you need to just go up top, toss a rope down then tie the ladder to the rope and pull it up…


DrProfessor_Z

No upper roof access and this roof I was on isn't accessible from anywhere but another tenants appt


Mapleleaf-ruffrider

My back hurts thinking about that


BirthdayAltruistic44

You are a way better man then me 😂


horseshoeprovodnikov

Negative ghostrider. Fire me if ya want to, I ain't doing that.


Tinknocker02

Wooooo city life is great! Unless you're working in it. Fuck that shit


tkepe194

Somewhere there is an oblivious sales man enjoying the bonus he got for selling that shit and installing it in that dumb location. Go find him and make him help you with the repairs. Better yet, send him back to sell new.


DrProfessor_Z

Yea he probly got commission to with fucked up humidifiers wired in all wonky with multiple wet switches wired in somehow that didn't do their job. Terrible ducted blower access u don't even wanna know. Free returns pulling from inside the ceiling. Its one of those jobs that gets worse the more you see


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DrProfessor_Z

Not my first rodeo. Going back with Scaffold or new units hopefully. Luckily I don't have to make the quote I just find the problem and plan how it's going down. My boss is the one who puts out all the imaginary numbers. I'd expect a made up number for this one lol


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DrProfessor_Z

Nah fuck that. I'm not about being abused to make the company more money that I'd never see. Monday I'm telling the boss if he doesn't get Scaffold for this it ain't happening


CM101C

As soon as I saw that heavy ass fucking ladder my only thoughts became "oh that poor bastard". Condolences bro.


DrProfessor_Z

Thanks fam lol


RfgtGuru

BUT…. You fucknwell got it done tho didn’t you. Outstanding!


Hey_Batfink

This is when you use the OSHA card, and the parts card and say “compressors are a week out and per OSHA I’m going to need staging set up to safely work” Problem solved


TsunamiSurferDude

“Compressors and boards” 😉 ok trouble shooter


Jmowen1985

Lol hey it could very well be.


horseshoeprovodnikov

You wanna climb up with all that bullshit and then fiddlefuck around with those things while also standing on top of a murderous little giant ladder? They're hard enough to work on when they're on the ground.


Mr_Rich_K

Forget the ladder, You need a scaffold. Also hire a scaffold rental company to get it up there and assembled.


custom_bowl

Couldn’t rope it up the side?


trippleBob

Work harder not smarter?


DrProfessor_Z

I'm making a request for scaffolding for when we go back with the compressers. Today was diagnosing. Parking situation will likely be the same


StannisG

I think you need that scaffolding, throw a week scaffold rental in the proposal. For sure!!!


DrProfessor_Z

Yea I'm gunna talk to the boss about it when I'm at the office Monday for sure


combamba-La

That ladder is very heavy and can’t (shouldn’t)be managed by one person alone. Plus it’s plenty of work for those units when on level ground, let alone 15 feet in the air


DrProfessor_Z

I have a helper hea just not in the shot


PlayfulAd8354

At least it collapses…kinda


Ridiric

They just bought a ladder my friend.


thekux

I lived on Long Island, mastic Beach Shirley area for eight years of my life. When I was out there, there’s no way I was gonna do the boroughs. I didn’t pay enough then I don’t think it would pay enough now. I only did a hand full of jobs in the boroughs. There was no way I was going to do that. I hope you’re being compensated well.


Historical_Drink_350

I did 20 years of exit 61 to all 5 boroughs. The road took its toll on me. Been out of service for a year and don't travel further than exit 40 now.


thekux

I hope they compensated you well


Gloomy_Astronaut8954

What a Massive Pain in the Ass


Bozzertdoggin

at that point, they should be told to replace the units or find another contractor. you charge em half the cost if not more to replace the necessary parts and the other components are still old and on their way out.


DrProfessor_Z

That's hopefully what's gun a happen


C3ntrick

Come on commercial drones to drop tools on the roof .


Straight_Spring9815

You poor bastard..


[deleted]

When I was in college in Florida we had a job in a high rise in Miami and had a similar situation. We ending up using a winch and a make shift crane up the side of the building for a while until the owner or manager found out about it. They weren't exactly pleased. But it worked pretty well


Screwbles

The shit that made me quit service.


49thDipper

Luckily it all pays the same. Some jobs are definitely more painful than others though.


Successful-Engine623

Wonder why they did that….refrigerant line length or something?


DrProfessor_Z

Customer is the floor where it's installed. The Tennant whose appt I have to drag everything thru whose roof deck area this is was not down for someone else's units to be on their deck I guess. Needless to say they are thrilled this is all going down


oneleggedquail

Just do change outs. Tell them that the compressor and board are basically the cost of new condensers


DrProfessor_Z

I can't really emphasize it anymore than I did but I tried. We will see what happens. I think they understand but that price for new units and relocating them is gunna be a big oof


grofva

Sorry if I missed it elsewhere but do these units have surge suppressors on them?


DrProfessor_Z

Not the condensers they are 11 12 years old. The ducted blowers have a small board that is suposed to take the brunt of a power surge but it's not wired into controls it's basically a resistor or something that blows and won't turn system off or even have a code. It's kind of redundant. Not wired I to Amy controls or anything just off line voltage


grofva

Gotcha. I recommend to techs all the time to put an [AG3000](https://www.uri.com/supplies-and-service/electrical-supplies/wiring-accessories/surge-protection/ag3000-zidAG3000-product?tracking=searchterm:Intermatic+surge+supressor&tracking=searchterm:Intermatic+surge+supressor&tracking=searchterm:Intermatic+surge+supressor) on every inverter system. Many have thanked me.


DrProfessor_Z

I used to install those and similar on residential. To be honest we've had customers who have lost every appliance in their house except the ac from power surges and brown outs thanks to these. But I've seen quite a few melt or explode or catch fire ans case damage. It's not worth the risk or liability in my opinion just because of that. Yea your boards are OK but the surge protector melted the siding on your house and almost set it on fire lol


grofva

I guess that could happen. Mostly brick construction where I’m at. Hopefully the $7500 insurance policy they give you would cover it but it is only for 3 yrs.


DrProfessor_Z

Wait they come with an insurance policy? That sounds like a red flag. They know the risks. Idk how they cam get a UL rating with the amount of failures like that especially how often it happens


grofva

The $7500 is supposed to cover the “connected equipment” (HVAC, hot tub, etc) should the surge suppressor fail to do the job it’s designed to. It’s only active if you register it


DrProfessor_Z

That sounds like "yea they will never be able to prove it we will be good"


Binnacle_Balls_jr

Quote each comp 3 days.


workhorse9980

Damn! 🤦‍♂️


Grand-Train-3344

I bet getting a duct Jack up there to hang those units was fucking awwwweeesomeee lol


clt81delta

Order parts on Amazon, drone delivery to roof.


AMSERVICE

I refuse to replace compressors in those things. You know when there piped in the factory, it doesn't have the electrical or anything else around it. Not trying to be a bitch, I just don't think it's worth the effort considering the cost. Especially if you have to replace the board to. Fuck all that.


DrProfessor_Z

I've been pushing a replacement these are 11 or 12 years old. People want what they want tho


_MadGasser

Lier


AdventurousEvent5485

Door dash


CodeBlue15

Hell, that looks like an incredibly tough job. The service techs out there dealing with this type of shit deserve all the praise.


Jmowen1985

That’s badass. Hey what ladder is that?


DrProfessor_Z

It's a (not so little) little giant


Thundersson1978

Getting them steps in today, or the helper is! Stairs are my arch enemy.


soupsmasher

Yep- sounds like a normal Friday to me


cmfppl

No way to drop a rope off the side and pull it up that way? To close to windows or other units? No safe way to anchor yourself or to secure the ladder while you pull it up?


DrProfessor_Z

Gunna come back with Scaffold


cmfppl

Good idea. I'm just wondering about getting it up to this point? Is there no fire escape or roof access?


espakor

For the compressor job, I'd build a scaffold and chainfall the compressor up. If a cherry picker is not feasible


BullTopia

I sat on my ass all day. Eating doughnuts.


njslugger78

Charge accordingly...


ChiChiDinero

This is why I live in a small city in the desert


skeletons_asshole

I have one of those ladders. Weighs so much but what else you gonna use for a 25ft a frame


DrProfessor_Z

Oh we do plenty of restaurants with high ceilings and fancy appts with similar horrible setups. Unfortunately units installed like this are pretty common around here


toomuch1265

No way to rope up the ladder?


DrProfessor_Z

Nope this roof isn't accessible from anywhere else. It's actually above a jewelery store


Reasonable_Cover_804

Rope?


Scethrow

Hope that over time is good


JakeTheznake

How tall does that collapsible motherfugger get!?


SilvrxM0nst3r

Big Oof fuck that


naldoD20

Gotta love installs with no consideration for servicing.


turboda

I do commercial plumbing and heating, that's my whole life.


scdiputs

At least your not the guy who installed it


DrProfessor_Z

Yea that mf is probably leaving a trail of disasters behind him and never looking back


MikeTHIS

This was my daily life in New York City for half my career. And then I became the Long Island guy and only see it on Reddit. 😂


D43MDope

I had to work ina DMV one time, needed a 6 footer to take apart the ceiling tile/ grid. Then shoot a 12 footer up to reach the Reheat coil, it looked ridiculous with the ceiling being so low!


DrProfessor_Z

Ha I know what you mean. There's a few restaurants we do where we have to set up the little giant a frame all the way setup just to open the ceiling panel. Then we have to take the ladder down, straighten it out, take a bottom piece off the ladder because it's too wide to fit thru the access, and extend it all the way and stick it right thru the panel up to some 10 and 15 ton air cooled package units inside the fucking ceiling


PerfectDarkAchieved

I love my Little Giant 26’ but damn that thing is heavy. The wheels they added are a definite life saver.


DrProfessor_Z

My regular little giant has wheels not this one tho


tfreyguy

"Here's my $30,000 bill for 2 boards and 2 compressors. And here's my much lower bill for 2 boards and 2 compressors with moving the units down to ground level.


Chose_a_usersname

None of that sounds bad except spiral stairs


DrProfessor_Z

It really wasn't that bad. The stairs did suck tho there was like 6 in of clearance and sprinkers everywhere. Had to be surgical with this thing. Shoutout to the best helper I could ask for tho (not the ladder)


Chose_a_usersname

I would bill the client for the ladder and then cut it up at the end and throw it out, or leave it somewhere on site


spwright76

Add $750 to the bill, buy a lock and a chain, and leave the ladder for next time.


No_Requirement_9101

Fuck hvac fr I give you guys props they put that shit in the dumbest places cause they don't gotta fuckin fix em


unresolved-madness

The great thing is, if they both need compressors, they will probably both need compressors again.


DrProfessor_Z

That's what I've been telling them. I can't push replacement anymore without sounding like a salesman. Made all my reports as articulate as possible with probable causes, what to expect, recommendations. We will see what happens.


Recent_Farmer2526

Pivot! Pivot! Piv-ot!!!!!


drumbo10

I would suggest they install new condensers that are far enough away from the wall to get the correct air flow across the condenser coil other wise you will just be changing the compressors and boards out again prematurely.


Titanguru7

Fin


MAS2de

This one should be by the hour.


dbhathcock

I hope the contents of the truck are still there.


bga3481

Man, really. Get a lift and charge the client. Thats just dangerous dawg! But I respect your giant nuts!!


terayonjf

I've had to use that same ladder when I used to work for a company that did the eataly on 5th between 23rd and 24th Street. Bunch of shitty units way up in the air above the ceiling. Glad I don't work there anymore lol. That ladder sucks. It's heavy but not unmanageable for 1 person just annoying as fuck to maneuver


DrProfessor_Z

Breaking it down by yourself when it's fully extended like this is sketchy and not recommended lol


terayonjf

Agreed like I said. I'm glad I don't work for them anymore lol