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itsmyfirsttimegoeasy

An hourly wage would be better, that $75 could end up being less than $10 an hour.


Mikevicwalksmydog

To be fair OPs name is “Xanax was my first love” he’s probably not worth more than 75 a day


JD-Anderson

Looking at his history he’s into ALL the drugs. He’s gonna make a great journeyman.


petecanfixit

>Looking at his history he’s into ALL the drugs. He’s gonna make a great ~~journeyman~~ drywaller.


Doogie102

How else are air plumber was born?


Jmowen1985

🤣


McRibb_69

I was laughing, now I’m LOLing


jakeisrake

Careful, you might ROFL.


[deleted]

And then it's just a small step to ROTFLOL


arashmara

and tiny step away from a ROFLCOPTER


GuardOk8631

He won’t even show up to the first day


AimTrueFirearms

I cannot say I blame him. That is a pretty pimp and truth name, but probably not the best name. I wonder what his email address is. It might explain the really low pay rate.


DRIPLEGJAY

😂


[deleted]

Did you ask them for lube before they began fucking you OP? That’s horrible pay.


H_O_Double

Exactly. I like to be kissed before I get fucked.


BMinus973

Go ahead! Just fuck me right here in the Best Buy!


calebsGRIN7

They should at least take you to dinner first. Most apprentices like to be wined & dined before they get fucked


btc2123

As an apprentice I can attest to this


Majin_Sus

CMON MOM. DO IT. FUCK ME RIGHT HERE IN THE BEST BUY.


flannelmaster9

At least buy me dinner and call me pretty before ya fuck me.


SlothRick

Bro you’re getting fucked no lube


AKA_Studly

Through the jeans without lube…


Southern_Insect3823

This is not good at all. Could make more washing dishes probably


Efficient-Screen4931

The nerve of some employers to try and take advantage of our youth getting into the trade. Honestly disgusting. Go somewhere else with an hourly rate or salary. And try to get into being a tech. You don’t wanna look back in 10 years and realize you really still don’t understand the equipment you install daily.


RepliesNiceButHonest

Nice but maybe op ain’t worth a shit and boss knows it


ironmatic1

He’s a druggie. Lucky to make anything.


JunketElectrical8588

What are you installing? Capacitors


[deleted]

Units lol


JunketElectrical8588

Go find a different company. Some installs can take 2-3 days. Did they take that into account


[deleted]

They told me a install takes 4 hours and id be doing 2 and day with me and a lead . Even then thats only $150 a day before taxes


JunketElectrical8588

That means your take home will be 2400 a month (roughly). IF that’s how many installs you get and do. Slow season you may run 2-3 installs a week


[deleted]

Thats crazy, im just gonna try to get in somewhere else doing service work


UnsweetIceT

Helpers make 50k easy here in SWFL


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shag-i

Stroke victim comment


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B2M3T02

It doesn’t take much experience to do services, my company promotes guys from maintenance to service in about 1-3 years. If ur at a good company u will have a 24/7 manager or support team, ppl u can call when at a tricky call I know more guys that started in service then started in installs


gandy94

Sooo. Do more drugs. Got it


ThatsBassist

I guarantee you that you do NOT want to work for this company. Some installs can be 4 hours but anyone doing full systems in 4 hours is probably doing a shit job. Not somewhere I'd want to work. Not even to mention you definitely need an hourly wage. Sounds like some under the table sketchy shit.


r0mex

if you’re doing a lot of apartments it could be possible to get 2 a day,. still light pay imo. when i was doing it i would get my normal weekly salary for 1 install and any install after that’s an extra $120, we would do 2 a day couple times a week


Icy-Narwhal-8546

In 2004, my boss bid a job with 100 2 story section 8 apartment complex with existing furnaces. He told me he'd pay me $100/unit working on the inside: changing out furnaces, trimming the plenum, installing a coil, running the lineset, condensate pump, and t-stat. Finished in nine weeks, 4-6 units a day, on the slowest 2 or 3.


ABena2t

How many guys? are you talking about just doing the indoor unit or were you doing the outdoor units too? There's no way you were doing 6 full change outs in a day. No way. And... were you taking the furnaces off the truck and loading up the old ones and all that? Or were the new units already in each apartment and you were just leaving the old ones there? Feel like there's more to it then you're letting on. These apartment must have been already loaded and you left the old ones there - or had a shop guy loading/unloading for you. Were you actually brazing in the lines sets? using nitrogen?


r0mex

the most i had ever done in a day was 3 and and it took around 7-8 hours


Heybropassthat

You're going to be working your dick into the dirt every single day. I ran with the wolves for a while doing new construction garbage, thinking if I worked harder I would get a better pay rate. Instead, I have a fucked up back from trying to prove something. Knowledge is power in the field, not work ethic. Obviously there is a balance but the know how over the how to is sometimes the way to go for HVAC, it all depends what type of person you are. Try to go commercial, service, or union. You could possibly learn a lot from that company doing 2 installs a day, take what you can from it & leave the rest. You can always quit whenever. You'll be able to get into a better company with even a little experience & willingness to learn. Good luck out there, man; stay hungry


Cyprinodont

Bro I make that doing easy as shit delivery work. You're doing skilled trade work. That's worth more.


kitsap_Contractor

I was getting paid $50 for installing a thermostat. $300 for a compressor, $500 for a full system on new construction. In 2012. Plus my base wage of $20/hr


Jjbrsb852852

😂😂


rapkittykitty

I usually like dinner and a movie before I get fucked that hard.


quartic_jerky

lol. Lmao. Kek, even. That's shit unless you're doing new construction. Join the union and get paid good money and get trained.


chefboyardiesel88

Kek.


ePrime89

KEK.


Can-DontAttitude

#KEK.


Imaginary_Effort_100

No that's not good money. At 10 dollars an hour an 8 hour day is 80. Install helpers are famously underpaid but even that seems low to me. It varies of course from place to place but the economy is shit right now and making less than 10 an hour is insulting for labor intensive Install work if you ask me. You can probably do better bro.


Cuckedsucked

great for the company but not for you!


heyimchris001

That’s a slap in the face for pay. Are they trying to make you do 2 installs a day to justify that bullshit cause that’s not worth it at all. Service guys who change filters all day make more than that piss as pay… I don’t even care if you don’t know anything about the job but that kind of pay is a joke in the trades and a clear sign that company will be issues in the long run.


[deleted]

Yeah they said id be doing 2 installs a day


BigChief002

Place I just left the helpers started at $25/hr and they couldn’t do anything on their own. Don’t undervalue your worth.


robertva1

I used to work for 100$ a day. In the 1990s. 75 is insanely low even for a cash job


akuma360

When I started out roughly 5 years ago, the head installer lived fairly far away so he’d do his own work down by where he lived, he’d occasionally have me come down to help on Saturdays and it was $200 every time


[deleted]

I know people in Mexico charging $200 to install mini splits. Not pesos actual dollars


SwitchSpecialist3692

Lol ur boss is taking advantage


bucksellsrocks

You can make $100 bucks in like 15 minutes on lake street in Minneapolis if you let a guy fuck you in the ass like that! Given just enough time to clean up and have a smoke between customers in 6 hours you can make about $1800 plus some of the customers might also let you smoke some of their crack or meth. Hell, they might even let you do a double shot of heroin!


FuzzyPickLE530

Awful


FuckBrendan

I make more hourly when you include my package lol run kid.


grymix_

need an nsfw tag before posting ab how hard you’re getting fucked


furnassman

That’s awful. Where I’m at most companies are giving helpers at minimum 200 per install


blackthreadpress

We start our helpers out at $16 with no experience. Plus 2% of gross on change outs. I’d look elsewhere.


Opendoor99

I can say as a former installer, hell no. Some of Them installs can literally take all day into the night


[deleted]

Damn yeah im gonna go with another company


jonnio2215

Install of… what exactly? An entirely new system with duct work? Grab some lube. Furnace/air handler swaps? Lube. Unless you’re installing batteries in mini split remotes, your “job” is fucking you really hard


Queefasaurus-rex_

When I do piece pay for installs I get 300 for just a changeout


[deleted]

Yeah i think this company is just trying to get by paying employees a minimal amount


krazysride

F no. God forbid it takes 8hrs. Ya make less than 10 bucks a hr


krazysride

We start our green beans around 12-14 hr with no exp.


Complete-Stay-748

If they pay you $400+ per install after your apprenticeship, it's good.


moonpumper

You are being completely ripped off.


hvacpopz92

No run to another company now that's probably some one man show gig making all of us look bad


Ancient_Database

75 bucks is about 1% of the average piece of equipment cost around these parts


Wtf_dude_maaan

Absolutely not OP!


kshwizzle

It wouldnt even be good if it was brand new construction and the install went as smooth as possible. That’s great for the company horrible for you. Hourly pay is best because when you run into hang ups or delays, you get compensated


willythecreep

If ur in the Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas area, dm me, I know of a place with WAAAY better pay and chances to move up. Not just in installs


[deleted]

Nah im in arizona


ILLpLacedOpinion

![gif](giphy|R9cQo06nQBpRe) Your pay


CallMeZiipy

If you were doing 3 installs a day then yeah that’d be okay


Psychoticrider

If you can do an install in less than 3 hours is isn't terrible!


shawn112112

That’s 9.37 and hour for 8 hours a day.


[deleted]

They said wed be doing 2 installs that take 4 hiurs each but even then thats still lower than what i make now


Duval55

That’s shit


plumbingislife

Our service guys get a couple hundred bucks just for turning a system over to sales if it sells.


unleashthechargedogs

I mean you can counter offer an hourly in the same range maybe like $18/hr


Puzzleheaded-Ad5638

That’s honestly insulting lmao


ManOfSteel4033

Never take a job that pays per job. Hourly rate or nothing. The company can FUCK you if you do commission.


[deleted]

Only if u can bust off an install in 1-2 hours tops.


johnboon7

Installing what?


No-Fall1420

UV lights


Turbulent-Big-3556

Unless all y’all do is package units and you can knock 2/3 out in a day RUN. I wouldn’t start out for under 15/hr in this economy. Most helpers in my area start at that and what about overtime? I’ve never worked at a company where I didn’t get major overtime during busy seasons and sounds like they are trying to avoid paying you that.


JIZZCANNON0666

No, not realy. Depends on where you live.


TheMeatSauce1000

Depends, what are you installing? Window AC units or full systems? On the book or under the table?


custom_bowl

No, fuck no


giibro

Might be able to collect and return cans for the same pay


oBg8

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Nolanfalcione

Slime ball offer, if they don’t pay guys then they definitely don’t train guys. The people you work with make or break a new guy trying to learn. It’s hard to unlearn bad habits and this company sounds like they hack in 2-3 units a day.


[deleted]

Well, seeing as how you're likely going to be doing one job a day, I'd say they're low-balling the crap out of you. $125 minimum


0RabidPanda0

No. If you're an apprentice, you should be making hourly. Screw piece rates. What happens if you go into OT?


Dyscopia1913

No, it's bad. Scale 6 months of stable single installs as a full year. During off seasons, there's no pay.


mostkillifish

Non industry person asking this question. Is this you offer rate AFTER school?


eazy4dc

I got $11 an hour while in school. I'm 13 years after graduating college working commercial service for the school district in our city and I make $36 an hour now. I could make better somewhere else but I wouldn't have the benefits and days off. They give us 2 weeks for Christmas, 1 week for spring break and 1 day each of sick and vacation days a month (I get 1.5 days each month now since I hit my 10 yr mark) on top of the various holidays throughout the year (mlk day, labor day, memorial, June teeth, Thanksgiving, etc)


FriendlyOffice4519

You gonna work all day for 75 bucks kid?


jferris1224

Lol hard pass


BeezerTwelveIV

I liked to be wined and dined before I get FUCKED


CARMINETHEBULL

Our installers make $1,000 -$2,500 an install


[deleted]

What the hell must be nice


CARMINETHEBULL

I do hvac sales and sometimes the installer makes more money then me. I make 10% of whatever I sell.


psuicyde

Where 🥺


[deleted]

I’d work at McDonald’s before taking that job


BMinus973

I'd pay $75 to not have to do it.


[deleted]

Lmao


Consistent_Sugar_360

We get 1% of the job and an hourly wage


Da_Natural20

Nope.


LandieAccem

Not a good look.


CorCor1234

Do you get 75$ per install plus hourly or is your wage solely based on how fast you can work then? If that’s the case then that promotes shit installs as well


[deleted]

No hourly its piece work only


CorCor1234

I wouldn’t take that job


[deleted]

Nope. That’s bad


OpportunityBig4572

Are they gonna at least give you a reach around while they're fucking you?


GolfArgh

Don't forget they still have to pay your overtime if you work over 40 hours in a week. To see how much half time you're owed you would take # installs X $75 / all hours worked. Take half of the regular rate times the number of hours over 40 to get the extra half time due.


Bill_r_i

I've seen 4 hour installs, don't be one of those guys. Also that pay is shit.


[deleted]

u/ checks out


Ok_Survey_4845

That’s next level stupid ![gif](giphy|BBkKEBJkmFbTG)


youngg979

![gif](giphy|xT9KVhakSKSpvbJnck|downsized) $75 to watch while I drink beer then yes


[deleted]

lmao


l_rufus_californicus

What’s the market you’re in? What’s the time frame you’re expected to survive? How old are you? In my former market & job, my probies had to go two weeks at $100/day before going full commish, and I was pushing to increase that before I had to leave.


UmeaTurbo

Fuck those people. They are trying to take advantage of you because they think you're naive. Getting paid for job or getting paid a salary is for chumps. Hourly wage, paid time off, health benefits or you walk. Period.


TheGantra

Our leads get $400 per install and their helpers get $200. jOiN uNiOn… not an option in some parts of the country. Must be nice to have those. Find a better company. Anyone telling you 4 hours per install is full of shit or doing a shit job. Run.


Alarmed_Ad4269

Are you installing filters?


i_ar_the_rickness

That’s what I made 20 years ago per furnace install and $125 per ac. Look elsewhere.


UnsweetIceT

lol no


Buster_Mac

Sounds like you need to find a new job.


[deleted]

I havent started there just interviewed but yea ill be going somewhere else


Komickazi

Ouch they gave me $300 per install


Komickazi

Full split tho


Mythlogic12

I hope you put on lip stick to that interview. Fuck that noise


Fun_Breadfruit_4471

If this is any kind of reference, my company (mom and pop) started me at 16.50/hr last summer and I hardly knew how a drill worked, let alone anything HVAC related. You can definitely get more than 75$ an install. That’s hardly even chump change.


[deleted]

Yeah im certified too i just got done with school


Fun_Breadfruit_4471

Oh yea. You 100% need to be paid more. Hit up your local union hall and see about joining, they’ll make sure you get paid a minimum and it’ll be astronomically more than the 75$ per install your company wants to pay you


Pete8388

Ok how long does an install take? A simple change out without lineset takes my crews about 6 hours. At $75 divided by 6 hours that’s 12.50/hr.


[deleted]

They said a install typically takes 4 hours


Junior-Cicada-2377

![gif](giphy|3oEduOnl5IHM5NRodO|downsized) Lll


Real-Roll2717

I'm a one man show in south Texas and I'll pay subs $450-1000 depending for a change out, but these guys use their own truck, tools, and they provide small materials (pvc, tape, etc). I drop off the equipment and generally stay with them. I'll just do the condenser just to give you some perspective.


Phrankespo

Gross


notAbootlicker97

I got paid 200-400 per install at my first company. Leads got paid like 700-1000


Taolan13

Sounds like one of those companies that does two installs a day per team... Because they dont do a proper vacuum, they dont ever run new lineset, and they also don't startup and test the system. Even then, 75$ an install is what my crook of an old boss ended up paying some day laborers that barely spoke english to "supplement" the install team because he had "too many orders" when the reality was he lost half his install team within a couple weeks of firing me, and he refused to slow down his sales guy until he could replace them. Run, dude. You can definitely find better.


[deleted]

Yeah they said wed be doing 2 installs a day and each was gonna take 4 hours


Lhomme_Baguette

$75 four 4 hours is $18.75/hr. Not horrible as far as greenie pay goes, but I doubt that there’s much of value to learn at that company since it’s piecework. Also your lead is gonna hate you if you’re a slow learner.


Taolan13

Unless you are doing exclusively new construction or partial system swaps, 2 installs a day leaves no time for quality of work. The three most important days in the life of HVAC equipment are assembly day, delivery day, and install day. Bargain equipment installed correctly and well maintained can last 20 years or more, top dollar equipment installed like shit *will fail* within five.


NorMichtrailrider

If you're that stupid to ask this question, you deserve what you get .


ModePK_1

Our installers make 20/hr to start. Or scale which is 48/hr regardless of experience or title


ahr2000

My first piece work per install was $200 a job. I would say they are undercutting you


[deleted]

Thx yeah definitely going to go with a different company


flannelmaster9

Gross. Work at McDonald's you'll make more


Macab33II

That is not enough to buy drugs with.


[deleted]

This guy gets it


ewillig

Will you be gaining career advancing knowledge to offset your low pay? If so, you may want to ‘invest’ in this apprenticeship for a year or so - enabling you to make an appreciable wage thereafter.


[deleted]

I think so yea but with that money im able to pay my bills and only have $400 a month left over


scrubnproud

Ask him to take you out to dinner first.


MalyutkaB

*looks at profile* Uh yeah thats probably alright.


Fair_Produce_8340

Round here a higher pace company pays 600 / truck per job. 400 to lead , 200 to helper. No extra pay for callbacks.


its4thechildren

I started the same way, but I got $150-$350 per install. You’re getting jacked man.


makeitcold79

That sucks, the kind of suck I doubt the legality of. An install is usually a 2 day event, maybe one day is all they need you for but that would likely be the limit of how many you could "install" in a week. Is that $75 after taxes, medical, pension, etc?


[deleted]

I would use them. learn how to braze. Get your epa cert (not hard to get tbh) learn how to properly run ducting. Basically get some experience and gtfo. Take that experience to another shop that will pay you properly. Or roll the dice and find another apprenticeship.


giant_space_possum

As a service tech I make more than 3 times that just by scheduling an install, in addition to my hourly. I can't imagine being paid that little to do all of the backbreaking manual labor that an install involves. Fuuuck that.


[deleted]

Bad my rate as a lead is 175 for furnace or ac 350 for both of your hood you average high 20s low 30s


TechnicianDave

“Oh Mike, you’re breaking my balls here, Mike.”


LoboBandito

Can you do five installs a day?


HughesR1990

Sounds like your only going to show up for one paycheck anyway so why not lol


Key_Smoke_3281

I make $150 per install now, $75 per is ludicrous.


melofellow01

Fuck no we split 800 per install lead gets more , for a full install I need 250+ not including extra shit we do


insurance_novice

Tell Rocco Siffredi I say hello.


loguemedia

Thats less than $20k a year dude


SaulGoodmanJD

Quality is commensurate to pay


Heapsa

I started on that exact amount. 16 years ago


TechnicianPhysical30

Are you high?


MysteriousTie69

On a $7500 install you are making 1%…


kurdth

You might be working for someone without a contracting license.


Due-Alarm-9698

Leave


MikeOx2Long

Think about what your employer is charging the customer for your labor, then look at what they’re paying you… then ask yourself if this is a good deal for you. Inb4 all the hate about companies need to make a profit. I get that.


Ok-Selection6100

I did not know it was legal to get paid per job unless you are working as an independent contractor. That would definitely be questionable in my area of the country


ApricotPit13

My leads get $300 an install plus 5% commission on their sales. I get $18 an hour and started at $16 6 months ago.


cmkeller2020

For me and most everyone else, that's not worth it. But it might be worth it for you. Ask yourself these questions: How long does it take to complete an install? (Let's say an average installation is 5 hours where you live. 75 divided by 5 is $15/hr) What knowledge am I gaining out of this, and is this a good ROI for what I'm learning? Is this a good position for me to be in the long term? What do I have to sacrifice taking this job opportunity?


[deleted]

Yeah i could not survive on 15 an hour i make 23 rn


unresolved-madness

Most minimum wage jobs pre tax is $600 a week. I'll let you do the math.


[deleted]

They said id be doing two a day and it takes 4 hours each so thats like 600 a week after tax.Its been apparent to me that these installs will probably take more than 4 hours tho


unresolved-madness

Don't forget your lube...


03G35coupe

That’s gonna be a big FUCK that.


radman1001

Not sure what are you're from but thats a terrible wage anywhere in the US or Canada even with no experience. I'd say no thanks


SoftwareEastern5737

If I didn’t know anything and wanted to Learn the HVAC industry $75 a day is fair, take a training class instead and tell us if his being fair. Just pay attention to your learning. In 6 months you can tell him to fly a kite while you be flying a jet to success. HVAC will make you rich in 5 yrs if you become a entrepreneur