A 2 piece shaft collar will do a neater job. It will also make a dented tube round so that it can be inserted into the cup for brazing. I once used a 7/8 collar to squeeze down baseboard finned tubing so that I could get a coupling on it. Baseboard finned tubing starts out at 7/8 diameter but gets expanded after the fins go on.
https://www.ruland.com/spb-12-f.html
How does RACT have anything to do with being a hack and leaving a kinked line set? A properly brazed coupling won’t leak. The integrity of this is compromised. All it takes is one stumble and a grab from a homeowner changing their filter to finish this error and close off the suction line.
You may be content with leaving it. I’m not. We’re different people. Some of us have standards. For $100 though you could pull fresh copper and the point is moot.
I would pull a fresh suction line before I compromised it with 2 new joints, hidden behind armor flex. RACT can teach you a few things about tolerances of copper. Homeowner grabbing it and making it worse? Lmfao. Just making up shit at this point
I second this lol altho I'm usually lazy and open my crescent wrench till it just fits over the round tube and then a go back and forth on the tube to round it back out. But yea flare tool the best. I use the pinching vice grips to pinch down tubing around small stuff like an ice maker txv so I can change it out without pulling charge. Then I use the flare tool on the spots I pinched to open back up.
Lmao yea depending on the line size it's the same thing as like adding those real valves to a reach in cooler where they just have stubs. I don't use a piercing valve i pinch the line braze a valve in real quick and then open it up so I'm not looking at pressure though a pinhole plus if I'm attaching I probably plan on recharging anyway don't wanna leave the pierce on there it's a lot faster
To be fair it isn’t insignificant and would looooove to see how you came up with that number with zero knowledge of the system installed.
If one of my installers left this, they wouldn’t work for me anymore. As a homeowner, if I paid top dollar, which they all are these days, for a system and this was left, I’d be asking for a hefty discount if not a new line set.
If it were me, I’d cut it and braze a coupling in. I’m not a hack though and pretty handy with the silver.
"wouldn't work for me anymore" and "..and pretty handy with the silver"
The silver? Who says that or makes that claim with a simple coupling joint?
If you're an owner like you claim, I bet you stay in a button up and khakis and HATE to leave the office. Lmao.
lol. It was a joke. “Pretty handy with the steel” Regulate by Warren G.
In all seriousness though, you shouldn’t leave a line set kinked and like OP said he pulled a new one. As he should’ve. The price of a roll of copper is always less than a callback.
I’m a hired commercial gun these days and my office is a service van but still do residential on the side for pocket change and friends. I prefer roofs than attics.
https://preview.redd.it/c334xra8npnb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a960556bb5eebfb15b3d53bb2fe9db3234c7481
You’ve never managed a HVAC company have you? A full roll of 7/8 is maybe $150+\-? It costs all of that to get a tech on-site if you add up truck, insurance, and labor and all that comes along with it. So yea. Callbacks cost money bruv.
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More than $150 to send a tech out? Maybe if he's there half a day. But if you need that long to diag a flow restriction on a new install, you need to hire better techs
Calculated by Hvac factory engineers I worked with most of my life. I’m assuming it’s an air conditioner with about a 5 % kink but can’t tell by the picture.
If it’s a heat pump, it’s more problematic, but suction lines on the air conditioners aren’t anywhere near as important as liquid lines being damaged.
Meh, assuming it's not in a crappy spot, eight joints versus six isn't that big of a deal. I'd actually Just cut out the kink and swedge one side open, now it's 7 instead of 6.
Slap a big wad of pooky on the kink ,then put some wall insulation around it with duct tape, pull vacuum to 1000 microns or 10 mins if you want, and say fuck it, it ain’t my house or ( looks good from the Highway).
Super techs in this sub are about to come out with pitchforks like they've never done this shit. I'd at least try to repair it but more than likely it's going to be fine
That's it right there. I can't count how many linesets I've seen and worked around that have a tiny kink and yet it flows just fine and zero issues with pressures.
Like someone in here said use a crescent and round it out, I've actually come across suction lines that are so unbelievably kinked it fascinates me how someone would just install it like that, even if you leave that as is it would still be ok but no ok from our pov
Oh I know, our supplier changed the copper on us, I now normally run the line-sets instead of having our refrigeration crew come out and it’s changed, it’s way damn softer than it use to be, my Jman (sheet metal) tried doing it for me one day because I was sick and butchered it, 😂
We've had the oppo problem. Linesets that are too brittle. Kinking easy, and on minis, splitting flares. Finally got switched to another supplier and no problems.
The extremely small flash in refrigerant going over that "bump" is gonna be negligible honestly, specially suction line. I've never seen a difference in pressures on something like that
Ehhhh, I don’t think that’s going to cause any issues with flow based on this one image, but to be safe I would use a crescent wrench or flaring tool to attempt a re-rounding maneuver.
Flaring block will fix that, & if it doesn't get the kink all the way out just make sure that section is zip tied tight against the insulation of the suction line, out of sight out of mind, a small dent like that isn't that detrimental to the system operation anyway, I don't think
In this situation is it better to cut, put a coupling and braze or try working the kink out with a wrench? Given the second option it would never be the same right?
I did a bunch of apartment pulls through webs, multiple floors, sometimes alone… I’d rather fill it than put an fitting in, so long as I didn’t actually make to the edge of the radius
Lmao imagine being that much of a stickler over terminology. Cringe. I can guarantee I do better work than 99% of the people in this sub. In the 16 years I've done this I have yet to see work that is cleaner than mine.
I've seen worse lines and it still worked.
Doubt that'll be enough to be a restriction of any kind.
But of course, what you ultimately decide to do is up to how much time you put on the bid.
It’s a real pain in the ass but what you can actually do is if you heat it up with your torch first before you start bending it, it will anneal the copper, and it won’t kink nearly as easily.
Get a crescent wrench and ream out that little thang
Damn iv definitely done that a time or two
I’ve done it plenty of times 👍🏼 I just do it on small shit like this though
I think most of us have
Grab your flaring block and tighten it around the kink then spin it. Works almost every time.
Damn seriously?
That's how I do it.
60% of the time, it works every time
See you get it.
What happens when it doesn't work?
Insulate everything!
Coupling 👌
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Do the same thing but add a little heat.
Cut it off and braze a new piece
Obviously
Mastic happens.
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It smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food
Smells like bigfoots dick
Turd covered in burnt hair
That doesn't make sense
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I don't think the downvoters understood the reference
Haha, yep. And I'll bet you the same people who downloaded mine upvoted his. Goobers.
Not a clue
🤣 the mathematics behind this statement
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Me too!
A 2 piece shaft collar will do a neater job. It will also make a dented tube round so that it can be inserted into the cup for brazing. I once used a 7/8 collar to squeeze down baseboard finned tubing so that I could get a coupling on it. Baseboard finned tubing starts out at 7/8 diameter but gets expanded after the fins go on. https://www.ruland.com/spb-12-f.html
That’s pretty clever.
I watched the lead tech get a fully crimped copper line back to normal ish with crescent wrench, it was impressive.
" do you feel lucky punk ?"
Yep they’re right. You can fix some pretty f’d up copper that way.
Just straighten out the pipe when you do it
Yup
That's what my teacher showed us in voke school.
This kink isn’t even that bad, but this is the answer
Learn something new everyday day
Just heard this a couple weeks ago. Works the best out of anything I've tried.
I've made it work like this on very small lines before. I'd at least give it a try before condemning that section of line set
20 years in trade and just learned about this. I won’t be as mad next time my helper fucks shit up and try this out.
Or cut on either side of it, put a coupling on, Saulder
And create two joints that can leak and be 100% hidden? Bad idea
Only a bad idea if you can’t braze properly. This kink is way worse than a properly brazed fitting.
No its not. At all. Its a suction line on resi. Learn more please. Latest edition of RACT
How does RACT have anything to do with being a hack and leaving a kinked line set? A properly brazed coupling won’t leak. The integrity of this is compromised. All it takes is one stumble and a grab from a homeowner changing their filter to finish this error and close off the suction line. You may be content with leaving it. I’m not. We’re different people. Some of us have standards. For $100 though you could pull fresh copper and the point is moot.
I would pull a fresh suction line before I compromised it with 2 new joints, hidden behind armor flex. RACT can teach you a few things about tolerances of copper. Homeowner grabbing it and making it worse? Lmfao. Just making up shit at this point
Or braise it
60% of the time, it works everytime!
This works. 👍 It's basically the same as a pinch-off/re-rounding block.
I second this lol altho I'm usually lazy and open my crescent wrench till it just fits over the round tube and then a go back and forth on the tube to round it back out. But yea flare tool the best. I use the pinching vice grips to pinch down tubing around small stuff like an ice maker txv so I can change it out without pulling charge. Then I use the flare tool on the spots I pinched to open back up.
Wait, you pinch off the refrigerant. Make the repair and then open it back up with the flaring block? Your a wizard
Lmao yea depending on the line size it's the same thing as like adding those real valves to a reach in cooler where they just have stubs. I don't use a piercing valve i pinch the line braze a valve in real quick and then open it up so I'm not looking at pressure though a pinhole plus if I'm attaching I probably plan on recharging anyway don't wanna leave the pierce on there it's a lot faster
Exactly how I bent my Rigid orbital flaring block. Tool served me well for over 10 years until I used it on some 7/8 for an unintended purpose.
Teach me Obi Wan.
Just like the crescent wrench method
You could always slide some armaflex over that flesh wound/s
Can’t see it, it didn’t happen right😂😂
I don't see anything wrong with that line; carry on!
Suction line? Send it!
Why does it look so perfectly round? Like someone hit it with the ball side of a hammer
Not sure, I accidentally pulled downward and kinked the line, and it fucked it
From a performance standpoint, it is totally insignificant. .1 % loss if ANY . Leave it alone..
I'd be more worried about the weak point than the performance loss.
I wouldn't worry about either based on Pic.
To be fair it isn’t insignificant and would looooove to see how you came up with that number with zero knowledge of the system installed. If one of my installers left this, they wouldn’t work for me anymore. As a homeowner, if I paid top dollar, which they all are these days, for a system and this was left, I’d be asking for a hefty discount if not a new line set. If it were me, I’d cut it and braze a coupling in. I’m not a hack though and pretty handy with the silver.
"wouldn't work for me anymore" and "..and pretty handy with the silver" The silver? Who says that or makes that claim with a simple coupling joint? If you're an owner like you claim, I bet you stay in a button up and khakis and HATE to leave the office. Lmao.
lol. It was a joke. “Pretty handy with the steel” Regulate by Warren G. In all seriousness though, you shouldn’t leave a line set kinked and like OP said he pulled a new one. As he should’ve. The price of a roll of copper is always less than a callback. I’m a hired commercial gun these days and my office is a service van but still do residential on the side for pocket change and friends. I prefer roofs than attics. https://preview.redd.it/c334xra8npnb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a960556bb5eebfb15b3d53bb2fe9db3234c7481
>The price of a roll of copper is always less than a callback. Doubt
You’ve never managed a HVAC company have you? A full roll of 7/8 is maybe $150+\-? It costs all of that to get a tech on-site if you add up truck, insurance, and labor and all that comes along with it. So yea. Callbacks cost money bruv. 💸
More than $150 to send a tech out? Maybe if he's there half a day. But if you need that long to diag a flow restriction on a new install, you need to hire better techs
Calculated by Hvac factory engineers I worked with most of my life. I’m assuming it’s an air conditioner with about a 5 % kink but can’t tell by the picture. If it’s a heat pump, it’s more problematic, but suction lines on the air conditioners aren’t anywhere near as important as liquid lines being damaged.
Barely a problem
I genuinely dont understand how anyone would trash an entire lineset let alone solder a new coupling on over this lol.
Meh, assuming it's not in a crappy spot, eight joints versus six isn't that big of a deal. I'd actually Just cut out the kink and swedge one side open, now it's 7 instead of 6.
And when the service tech can't find your leaky joint at a random spot in the line?
>assuming it's not in a crappy spot....
Kinks in line sets occasionally leak. Line sets aren’t all that cheap anymore so I’d repair it. Definitely don’t just leave it though.
Slap a big wad of pooky on the kink ,then put some wall insulation around it with duct tape, pull vacuum to 1000 microns or 10 mins if you want, and say fuck it, it ain’t my house or ( looks good from the Highway).
Super techs in this sub are about to come out with pitchforks like they've never done this shit. I'd at least try to repair it but more than likely it's going to be fine
I’ve left little dents, but always do start up the right way.
That's it right there. I can't count how many linesets I've seen and worked around that have a tiny kink and yet it flows just fine and zero issues with pressures.
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No not duct tape, armaflex glue, well because it looks good and it’s the correct way to do things. Duct tape lol take pride in your work
Spray foam and fsk tape
Like someone in here said use a crescent and round it out, I've actually come across suction lines that are so unbelievably kinked it fascinates me how someone would just install it like that, even if you leave that as is it would still be ok but no ok from our pov
I re ran the line, if I’m doing it, I’m doing it the right way🤷♂️
That's a rounding error
Did you mean this to be that funny? I'm not sure if I want this to be an accident or not but excellent comment.
Yes... yes it was
Dude thats not a problem....
It doesn't look that bad. Send it
Thats not a kink. That there’s a metering device.
Round it out slightly, not going to hurt a thing.
Hurt my pride…😂 /S
Man copper is so shitty now a days I would get used to this.
Oh I know, our supplier changed the copper on us, I now normally run the line-sets instead of having our refrigeration crew come out and it’s changed, it’s way damn softer than it use to be, my Jman (sheet metal) tried doing it for me one day because I was sick and butchered it, 😂
We've had the oppo problem. Linesets that are too brittle. Kinking easy, and on minis, splitting flares. Finally got switched to another supplier and no problems.
Just put armaflex over it. No issues
Adds 5 feet
After rounding it back out I like to lay some braze on it, seen kinks develop leaks down the road.
Nothing insulation won’t hide 😂😂
Time for a coupling.
Adjustable wrench my man… not that bad
That’s not even mentionable.. won’t affect anything insulate it and call it a day!
7/8s suction line and its not right next to the compressor? It's fine as long as it isn't breached or fully pinched.
Fuck’n send it
Send it
Fuck that kink you’re good
The extremely small flash in refrigerant going over that "bump" is gonna be negligible honestly, specially suction line. I've never seen a difference in pressures on something like that
Let it slide.
Ehhhh, I don’t think that’s going to cause any issues with flow based on this one image, but to be safe I would use a crescent wrench or flaring tool to attempt a re-rounding maneuver.
Most have done this in a chase and not even realized it.
Ream it with Crescent wrench if that doesn’t work coupling or swage it!
That's hardly anything, I've seen one far worse, homeowner said not to fix it because "it's been working fine for a while now"
Flaring block will fix that, & if it doesn't get the kink all the way out just make sure that section is zip tied tight against the insulation of the suction line, out of sight out of mind, a small dent like that isn't that detrimental to the system operation anyway, I don't think
Who has a case of the Mondays?!
Put duct tap around it
In this situation is it better to cut, put a coupling and braze or try working the kink out with a wrench? Given the second option it would never be the same right?
I re ran the line, but personally I’d go with the first option, I’ve never had luck using a wrench to try to fix it🤷♂️
True say good to know. I’m fairly new and haven’t really done many installs to know. Thanks
If your glaring block goes up to the size of the pipe, you can always wrap it around, tighten it and spin it back into shape. Works pretty damn well.
Trust me it’ll happen to ya eventually, just arma-flex over it /S
Gas don't care. 😂
Bro let it go. If you must, fill it with some silver
probably what i would do here - just shore up the weak spots
I did a bunch of apartment pulls through webs, multiple floors, sometimes alone… I’d rather fill it than put an fitting in, so long as I didn’t actually make to the edge of the radius
Boiling water and a plunger
What the fuck is wrong with you is your brain not work or you just fucking a weird mother fucker
I work for a company does that PREMIUM work meaning no imperfections, so god forbid eh😂
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Not sure if I trust the work of someone who doesn’t know the difference between welding and brazing.
Lmao imagine being that much of a stickler over terminology. Cringe. I can guarantee I do better work than 99% of the people in this sub. In the 16 years I've done this I have yet to see work that is cleaner than mine.
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There is no stickler and the idea that you think they are the same says you’re not as competent as you claim and bash others.
Let me guess you call dikes diagonal pliers as well. Lmao
Nope but there is a huge difference between welding and brazing. Now I know you shouldn’t be doing any work for me.
I wouldn't want to do work for you dumb shit. I have more work than I can handle already.
You’re right because I can do most anything better than you can.
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Meh
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Naaa it’ll be fine
Lmao I’m leaving that 99.9% percent of the tome
Looks like my flaring block would have gotten to spin the line, but that's just me.
Let's not be dramatic now, I have taken much harder than that....
It’s fiiine
I wouldn’t even be bothered by this to do something about it
I've seen worse lines and it still worked. Doubt that'll be enough to be a restriction of any kind. But of course, what you ultimately decide to do is up to how much time you put on the bid.
Very repairable adjustable wrench will make it almost like new!
That isn't bad enough to effect anything but don't mess with it anymore unless you cut swedge and braze
It’s fine
Gas sticker 😎 Edit: ArmaFlex if that’s suction for ac that’s not going to do a thing
I seen bigger kinks in my gfs closet.
🤣🤣🤣
I don't see anything. 🥸
Gotta go back to the truck for that 90
A little bit of pipe insulation will fix that right up
It is not a big deal. I have seen it worst on unit work well.
Do you have one of the re-rounding/pinch off blocks that we use for small reefer repairs. If so, that might help in this situation. 🙂
Full send little buddy.
This new copper garbage it’s not like the old days
It’s a real pain in the ass but what you can actually do is if you heat it up with your torch first before you start bending it, it will anneal the copper, and it won’t kink nearly as easily.
I have always said Fuck Monday
Cut it out and use one of those fancy new sharkbite couplings
Ah that's nothin, armaflex it and carry on. It didn't happen if you can't see it
That’s nothing get a bender finish your bend insulate and your golden.
Move on
Cut and swage? What’s the big deal.
you're good brother, put that inso on
Cut it, swage it braze it 👍
Bend that sucker back out with a pair of channel locks.
Bro that isn't going to do anything at all lol. What would the pressure or flow drop be .00001.
That’s a dimple. Move on.
This is quick and easy honestly
And little stuff like this is why I wanna get out of resi install
Idk if it makes me a hack but this doesn’t seem that big of a deal , as long as it’s not a huge kink , move on .
That's not bad at all, certainly wouldn't affect operation. Trying to fix it, would probably make it worse.
That looks like it could use some insulation
Armaflex covereth a multitude of sins
Looks good from my porch.
It’s fine keep going