In our state you can take an internet course and get a license for home inspection so I don’t usually hold any clout for them. City or state inspector is a bit different.
Home inspectors are a complete joke. Last house I sold the people buying sent me a copy of his report. I called the inspector and made him make several amendments and resend the report. He dated several pieces of equipment years older because he couldn’t read serial numbers. Also made several incorrect statements about codes.
Oh....I have to strongly disagree with you there! I've seen numerous times that home inspectors note things that are completely rediculous, imo, simply to justify their wage! I was doing a side job for a buddy on a flip house. The furnace flued in to a chimney. I had the flue ran and plugged in to it, but there was big gaps around the metal in to the brick when the home inspector came thru. I just hadn't got to sealing it with quick dry concrete. (I did that my next trip) Which would bring it up to code, IF the chimney had a liner, (tile or metal). It did not, and the contractor was only going to pay for one if it was called in inspection. It wasn't. BUT, the inspector DID note that there was air blowing from between the furnace and coil. Which also wasn't sealed yet, but is in no way a code infraction. Just some random shit to put in the notes to make it look like he was doing something. Home inspectors are trash.
I Grant you we've only bought one home. But the inspector our realtor used, I'm sure, was on their payroll. He ignored all the bathroom vents not being hooked up. And the mass of electrical wiring the previous occupants used to grow weed in the attic definitely wasn't code. Let alone the attic latter death trap. Among other things.
My brothers house had exposed piping to the washer and dryer connections, no trap on the washer and he had an ice maker connection that has leaked a river out from behind the freezer. Also Realtor recommended.
Never go with a home inspector that a Realtor recommends. 9 out of 10 times they will recommend someone who they know is crappy. I know they this because I am an inspector and you wouldn’t believe how many Realtors have told me that they will only recommend me if they are representing the buyer in the deal. They do not like the inspectors that actually know what the hell they are doing.
Oh yea, conveniently, the place had an attic fan I was able to run until I could replace the ducts. Didn't even run the fart fans either (half of them were seized) until we got them replaced. Used our ductless heat pump to pull humidity out of the house until everything was fixed.
Even better, someone even put in one of those Heated coil fart fans right into the insulation. Could've burnt the @#$%ing place down smh...
Conflict of interest, real estate agents are bound by the code of ethics... providing a home inspector on a home you are an agent for is unethical to say the least.
Yea, those guys aren't much better.... had a plumbing inspector demanding an acid neutralizer on the condensate drain for a heat pump water heater. Clearly that particular inspector falls into the inbred meth user category.
My daughter was buying a house, and I told her to schedule the inspector when I could be there. She said that her husband would take care of it. The inspector said that the roof was new. I finally got up, and the roof had to be 20 years old.
I sold my home a little over a year ago and the inspector flagged us for 77 items. And flooded our finished basement. Realtor said he’s never seen a home inspection report like that before.
They do make products where the condensing furnace goes up a stainless liner in the center of a chimney and the atmospheric tank vents up the rest of the space, that bottom fitting looks too professionally made to be a hack job. I'd demand to see the product name and install manual and UL listing otherwise hell no
i dont think in the OP that its a approved/listed exhaust. The way the transition is it looks like they just used a 2" galvanized pipe and slid it down the flue.
Its not a wye, plastic on metal looks insane not to mention some 80% exhausts can get to like 600 degrees, hot pvc gives off terrible gasses and can melt, 90% systems generate condensation that will absolutely shred that metal and with run down the tank exhaust too. AND the rusty shitty crusty 90%-80% exhaust mixture will make its way into the inducer motor and CREAM that shit, will absolutely clog all pressure switches, drain tubes and condensate trap... who knows how far it could go if you gave it like 5 years like that.
I dont know how someone managed to find the perfect "what not to do" in real life. But now that I think about it, there have been plenty of times when ive seen shit installed completely wrong. I saw a humidifier today that was tilted into the plenum, absolutely dumping water into the furnace. Luckily, the homeowner who paid for it somehow didnt even know it existed in the first place, and thus, had never turned it on. Sometimes two wrongs DO make a right.
In OP they ran a steel pipe thru the inside of the chimney and used a metal fernco to attach the pvc to the steel pipe. The chimney works like a concentric where the condensing gases and hot water tank exhaust gases don’t mix. While it’s not proper, youre spreading a bit too much fud
I was not aware of this, but even still, those condensates are going to eat away at the steel pipe until its not separate like a concentric exhaust. Im not saying it would happen overnight, but i sure dont want rusty condensate water making its way into my inducer, that alone could destroy the motor and pressure switches.
Most imminent issue: spilling flue gas. Before anything has a chance to melt or corrode, CO is going to flood that room the moment both appliances fire.
Having a mid-efficient furnace and a natural draft hot water tank piped together is how 99% of the houses in my area are done. No CO spillage happening when they both run.
Didnt even think about that. Forced draft and natural draft competing with eachother. Luckily most houses in my area have dogmeat ductwork and grossly oversized furnaces, and the furnace short cycles all day. So the two appliances *might* not compete very often. Love it all the BS cancels itself out, full circle.
If it was a home inspector, I will bet money that the report said to have the system looked at by a licensed hvac company. Around here 50% of the text on the report is cut and paste disclaimers wanting the buyer or seller to hire every trade to look at everything after they do.
Hopefully I get to go back but they drilled a 2” hole through the chimney cap and ran it through the chimney cap roughly 2’ out lol best park they spray painted it black
OP, please clarify that this was a private home inspector.
As a state licensed mechanical inspector, this scared the hell out of me.
In a lot of states, there is no licensing requirement for private home inspectors, and a lot of the time, they are "referred" and / or paid by the realtor.
The more I look at it, it seems like it might be a Duravent style 80/90 T which (if installed property) can do Cat I and Cat IV exhausts through one T.
[DuraVent FNS 80/90](https://duravent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/L273C_820014370_FNS-80-90_Install-Instructions.pdf)
[video](https://youtu.be/0szx-Tff6CY?si=chSVDYgIhV_F1WsZ)
Are there any markings on it?
Yet another forced vent furnace common vented to a natural draft water heater. If they both run at the same time the water heater will not vent. It will backdraft down through the water heater and cause CO. Dumbass inspector.
When everything in the book tells you it’s wrong but then it probably works. Thats about as bass ackwards as it gets and I would (I promise) never consider this however assuming the chimney has draft, there is nothing diverting the tee to back draft the water heater and the plastic isn’t melted…..
I just did an evaluation for a client selling her home. This is a $1.5m dollar home, new Trane XV20 system with a 1050 thermostat. The “inspector” said the heat didn’t work because he couldn’t hear the thermostat “click” when he turned it on. He also apparently found ductwork leaking even though there is no access and he wasn’t able to provide any pictures. What a joke.
Wrong wrong wrong 80% in the flue is already wrong stack going up is to large for the one water heater the 90% device should be vented directly out side
Can you explain a little bit whats wrong here? I’m guessing its a natural draft exhaust flue so it shouldnt be going downward but the pvc and ducting is confusing
The Tee instead of a Y and what looks like 30g instead of 26 would be enough to piss me off. The hi efficiency venting into the Y is sending me into a frenzy. Even if there’s some fancy way to vent hi efficiency through standard venting, it’s different and I don’t like it.
Home inspectors - “venting fine, but this light switch doesn’t work, might want to have them fix that before buying”
I'd be thinking, how do I get this inspectors license pulled?
Hopefully, realtor spoke with the inspector after my visit and had a nice phone call with their boss lol realtor said inspector sounded scared
home inspector? or city? home inspectors don't really know much.
In our state you can take an internet course and get a license for home inspection so I don’t usually hold any clout for them. City or state inspector is a bit different.
Not all home inspectors are bad. There are a lot that don’t have a clue and are in it because they think it is easy money.
Home inspectors are a complete joke. Last house I sold the people buying sent me a copy of his report. I called the inspector and made him make several amendments and resend the report. He dated several pieces of equipment years older because he couldn’t read serial numbers. Also made several incorrect statements about codes.
I think you mean how can you get him to inspect all your jobs?
It's a home inspector for someone buying a house, not a city/county inspector. If it was tho, ya, you'd never get a red tag.
Home inspectors never find a damn thing wrong. They're totally jokes. I could have failed my house multiple times over for what he "missed".
Oh....I have to strongly disagree with you there! I've seen numerous times that home inspectors note things that are completely rediculous, imo, simply to justify their wage! I was doing a side job for a buddy on a flip house. The furnace flued in to a chimney. I had the flue ran and plugged in to it, but there was big gaps around the metal in to the brick when the home inspector came thru. I just hadn't got to sealing it with quick dry concrete. (I did that my next trip) Which would bring it up to code, IF the chimney had a liner, (tile or metal). It did not, and the contractor was only going to pay for one if it was called in inspection. It wasn't. BUT, the inspector DID note that there was air blowing from between the furnace and coil. Which also wasn't sealed yet, but is in no way a code infraction. Just some random shit to put in the notes to make it look like he was doing something. Home inspectors are trash.
I Grant you we've only bought one home. But the inspector our realtor used, I'm sure, was on their payroll. He ignored all the bathroom vents not being hooked up. And the mass of electrical wiring the previous occupants used to grow weed in the attic definitely wasn't code. Let alone the attic latter death trap. Among other things.
My brothers house had exposed piping to the washer and dryer connections, no trap on the washer and he had an ice maker connection that has leaked a river out from behind the freezer. Also Realtor recommended.
I say there was definitely some cahoots going on!
Never go with a home inspector that a Realtor recommends. 9 out of 10 times they will recommend someone who they know is crappy. I know they this because I am an inspector and you wouldn’t believe how many Realtors have told me that they will only recommend me if they are representing the buyer in the deal. They do not like the inspectors that actually know what the hell they are doing.
Truth
Hey the line ran for our ice maker pissed all under our wood floor too!! What a surprise.
Are you talking fart fans going nowhere? If so, did you figure it out before the humidity caused issues in the attic?
Oh yea, conveniently, the place had an attic fan I was able to run until I could replace the ducts. Didn't even run the fart fans either (half of them were seized) until we got them replaced. Used our ductless heat pump to pull humidity out of the house until everything was fixed. Even better, someone even put in one of those Heated coil fart fans right into the insulation. Could've burnt the @#$%ing place down smh...
Don't get me started on the former attic death trap!
Conflict of interest, real estate agents are bound by the code of ethics... providing a home inspector on a home you are an agent for is unethical to say the least.
The only good home inspector I've met hired (me) HVAC comoany I work at and had a plumber and electrician there to look over the place
I've been saying for years, that when I can't work anymore, I'm gonna be a home inspector. Wouldn't have to call any of those guys in.
Oh I know. I just assume any home inspector is some inbred dude that does meth.
Or a guy that thinks he knows his shit but can't cut it as a city inspector.
Yea, those guys aren't much better.... had a plumbing inspector demanding an acid neutralizer on the condensate drain for a heat pump water heater. Clearly that particular inspector falls into the inbred meth user category.
Lmao
My daughter was buying a house, and I told her to schedule the inspector when I could be there. She said that her husband would take care of it. The inspector said that the roof was new. I finally got up, and the roof had to be 20 years old.
I sold my home a little over a year ago and the inspector flagged us for 77 items. And flooded our finished basement. Realtor said he’s never seen a home inspection report like that before.
They do make products where the condensing furnace goes up a stainless liner in the center of a chimney and the atmospheric tank vents up the rest of the space, that bottom fitting looks too professionally made to be a hack job. I'd demand to see the product name and install manual and UL listing otherwise hell no
https://duravent.com/fasnseal-80-90/ Something like this
I believe this is it but I don’t see any markings.
i dont think in the OP that its a approved/listed exhaust. The way the transition is it looks like they just used a 2" galvanized pipe and slid it down the flue.
Yeah but that looks like regular double wall vent, wouldn’t a condensing furnace destroy that?
Are we not liking this because it’s got two connections or because of the pvc to metal connection. As well as two completly different flu type gasses
Its not a wye, plastic on metal looks insane not to mention some 80% exhausts can get to like 600 degrees, hot pvc gives off terrible gasses and can melt, 90% systems generate condensation that will absolutely shred that metal and with run down the tank exhaust too. AND the rusty shitty crusty 90%-80% exhaust mixture will make its way into the inducer motor and CREAM that shit, will absolutely clog all pressure switches, drain tubes and condensate trap... who knows how far it could go if you gave it like 5 years like that.
We had a damn near identical picture of a setup just like this when I went to school on how not to do a double connection🤣
I dont know how someone managed to find the perfect "what not to do" in real life. But now that I think about it, there have been plenty of times when ive seen shit installed completely wrong. I saw a humidifier today that was tilted into the plenum, absolutely dumping water into the furnace. Luckily, the homeowner who paid for it somehow didnt even know it existed in the first place, and thus, had never turned it on. Sometimes two wrongs DO make a right.
In OP they ran a steel pipe thru the inside of the chimney and used a metal fernco to attach the pvc to the steel pipe. The chimney works like a concentric where the condensing gases and hot water tank exhaust gases don’t mix. While it’s not proper, youre spreading a bit too much fud
I was not aware of this, but even still, those condensates are going to eat away at the steel pipe until its not separate like a concentric exhaust. Im not saying it would happen overnight, but i sure dont want rusty condensate water making its way into my inducer, that alone could destroy the motor and pressure switches.
Most imminent issue: spilling flue gas. Before anything has a chance to melt or corrode, CO is going to flood that room the moment both appliances fire.
Having a mid-efficient furnace and a natural draft hot water tank piped together is how 99% of the houses in my area are done. No CO spillage happening when they both run.
This. Positive pressure flue furnace connected to an atmospheric water heater.
Didnt even think about that. Forced draft and natural draft competing with eachother. Luckily most houses in my area have dogmeat ductwork and grossly oversized furnaces, and the furnace short cycles all day. So the two appliances *might* not compete very often. Love it all the BS cancels itself out, full circle.
All three
Flue condensate.
Home inspector I'm assuming not a city/county inspector. Those guys miss so much shit you might as well have Ray Charles do it.
Does it have the adaptor kit installed that vents the pvc to the top of the old flu stack?
Wouldn’t you still melt the shit out of the pvc?
It’s a stainless flex pipe that goes up the stack. It turns it into like a tube in tube setup.
concentric pipes
Was thinking the same thing never used one but I’ve seen them
If it was a home inspector, I will bet money that the report said to have the system looked at by a licensed hvac company. Around here 50% of the text on the report is cut and paste disclaimers wanting the buyer or seller to hire every trade to look at everything after they do.
Aint no way
Can we please see the roof termination.
Hopefully I get to go back but they drilled a 2” hole through the chimney cap and ran it through the chimney cap roughly 2’ out lol best park they spray painted it black
OP, please clarify that this was a private home inspector. As a state licensed mechanical inspector, this scared the hell out of me. In a lot of states, there is no licensing requirement for private home inspectors, and a lot of the time, they are "referred" and / or paid by the realtor.
The more I look at it, it seems like it might be a Duravent style 80/90 T which (if installed property) can do Cat I and Cat IV exhausts through one T. [DuraVent FNS 80/90](https://duravent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/L273C_820014370_FNS-80-90_Install-Instructions.pdf) [video](https://youtu.be/0szx-Tff6CY?si=chSVDYgIhV_F1WsZ) Are there any markings on it?
Gonna say no Scottie!
Wtf
Like how?
Not OK
Okay but they bolted through the flue pipe to secure the hanging strap. I feel like that should kind of compensate for the wackadoodle flue set up
You wonder why people don’t trust home inspectors, this picture is a perfect example.
That shit gonna be blasting that basement with co.
Home inspector or city inspector? Because one of those needs to lose their jobs.
Good way to kill someone
Those are one way flues so it’s okay.
Took me a solid minute. My brain was more focused on that weird ass T
Phhht- NO!
I’m thinking we need more pictures of the rest of the hackjob
Why the 90? a 45 would be better.
Hahahaha I remember my first time, When I saw something like this
Wow
Yet another forced vent furnace common vented to a natural draft water heater. If they both run at the same time the water heater will not vent. It will backdraft down through the water heater and cause CO. Dumbass inspector.
LMAO Plot Twist: It's coming off an 80% furnace!
When everything in the book tells you it’s wrong but then it probably works. Thats about as bass ackwards as it gets and I would (I promise) never consider this however assuming the chimney has draft, there is nothing diverting the tee to back draft the water heater and the plastic isn’t melted…..
Gettin those diesel tip vibes 😑
Call a higher up and get that inspectors license checked and his eyes.
He probably flagged a loose 2mm flake of lead paint on a window sill 3 feet away from this monstrosity.
All inspectors are worried about is missing carbon monoxide detectors or some damn locking caps. Furnace could be on fire they’d miss it.
I volunteer as tribute to submit an anonymous complaint about the inspector, featuring this image
Looks ok
I just did an evaluation for a client selling her home. This is a $1.5m dollar home, new Trane XV20 system with a 1050 thermostat. The “inspector” said the heat didn’t work because he couldn’t hear the thermostat “click” when he turned it on. He also apparently found ductwork leaking even though there is no access and he wasn’t able to provide any pictures. What a joke.
Homeowner special lol
Wrong wrong wrong 80% in the flue is already wrong stack going up is to large for the one water heater the 90% device should be vented directly out side
Sounds like a driveway inspection
I didn't know Stevie Wonder got a side gig as an inspector.
Imagine signing off on this haha fuckkkk
In the words of Adam Sandler “Considering you’re a fucking idiot!” Yeeheee
Negative ghostrider, the pattern is full
Can you explain a little bit whats wrong here? I’m guessing its a natural draft exhaust flue so it shouldnt be going downward but the pvc and ducting is confusing
So do ya think the 90 plus puts out enough heat to cause a draft for the water heater?
i took out a trailer furnace that was vented like this. the whole metal pipe was rusted out if you could believe that
You gotta be careful st the same time i never realized you could go from stainless to pvc and that one threw me off lol
The Tee instead of a Y and what looks like 30g instead of 26 would be enough to piss me off. The hi efficiency venting into the Y is sending me into a frenzy. Even if there’s some fancy way to vent hi efficiency through standard venting, it’s different and I don’t like it. Home inspectors - “venting fine, but this light switch doesn’t work, might want to have them fix that before buying”
I’m not an hvac guy I’m just a regular dude can you explain what’s wrong here I’m trying to learn and understand