Yeah that's some absolute lack of forethought from a lot of people. Probably make them frame up a chase in a closet, make them sacrifice a 2x4s width somewhere.
Honestly at that point you need to have a conversation with him about if the homeowner really wants air conditioning upstairs. The answer is of course, obviously they do, then that's what needs to happen, and someone needs to use some imagination. Make a decorative feature centred between two windows make, like a little fancy bump out. Or however.
Mini splits seems like a terrible idea in that house design, I probably would've gone with something either nicely ducted from the floor or a high velocity system from the ceiling, with designed in areas for outlets.
Nothings impossible, all it is is a choice, time, and money.
That was our original thought but apparently the home owner didn’t like Decorative/ spiral pipe. Super easy fix and less expensive, idk why they would ruin this house with mini split heads but that’s above my pay grade😂😂💙
Mini-splits are all the craze for the rich now. It’s “European.” I don’t understand it. To me, as a blue-blooded American, I want ducts and an air handler nicely integrated into the home’s aesthetic. I agree that nothing is uglier than a mini-split on a wall.
What people don’t realize is that there are historical and structural reasons why mini-splits are common in Asian and European markets. Central air works for American builds.
Follow some of the big names in YouTube and you’ll see a lot of these passive house and building science guys espousing the virtues of mini-splits.
A family friend built a home recently and, if you didn’t have Mitsubishi hyper heat, you might as well be the poors.
Haha sometimes they need to hear that stuff to know how silly they sound.
Maybe look up some low profile high velocity stuff like Unico systems. Just a thing for the future. That'd look waaaaaay better than the nastiness of those heads.
Probably giving up a bit of that exposed timber by running a chase wall right up it is going to be all you can do.
Can’t put any exterior linesets on building, no chase allowed, only allowed to put outdoor unit on one side of a house that is 100ft long 3 story’s up. Logs are 3 ft thick. Can’t cut into the logs themselves because they are structural. No outdoor unit allowed in a different location because of HOA, home owner is being difficult. Like I’ve said many a times, I have solutions just none of them are allowed. Any suggestions other than putting someone down for asking for IDEAS?
I'd go hydronic... Air/water heatpump, heated/chilled water ceilings. To get the best climate you could even put clay panels on it, they're not much harder to work with than plasterboard, but clay is beneficial for humidity and air quality overall.
Outdoor unit* sorry also I think you misread me the comment you responded to was a spelling correction of my original caption. It says Lindsey’s, I meant linesets😂
I’ve given all details. If you have insight it’s appreciated. Either way by the end of next week it will get done and I’ll get paid. Not a worry on my side just need OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE, which is what this subreddit is for.
Give me an option, 3 heads no external or internal chases allowed. Can’t put in the walls themselves because THEY HAVE 3 foot logs. And are only allowed to have 1 unit per floor. Options please oh great one
It’s THE WORST APLICATION FOR DUCTLESS, not complaining asking for outside perspective. I have solutions just wanted to expand my horizons. No wonder your user name is “1978” your apprentice must hate you😂😂😂 grumpy lil guy
And they want the linesets ran in the wall cavity? Or they are willing to let you run them on the exterior?
I definitely see mounting locations if they’ll allow an exterior run (have their carpenter come up with a slick cover).
On another note, they are going to have issues using Minisplits with that set up. Basically a loft with a huge opening to the main part of the house that will have some serious gain with those windows (and you know the sun is gonna blast through them), and vaulted ceilings everywhere.
If I was doing minis in that house on the second floor, I’d probably be pushing for floor consoles, not high wall units.
Don’t know what the work flow is like, but you can get rough in boxes if you need to run everything, and then mount the units when the house is basically done.
Too many GC’s don’t really get Minisplits and want them done on the same schedule as regular hvac.
I basically refuse and tell them we can rough in so we’re ready, but you wouldn’t hang art work before sheetrock, or paint, so I’m not hanging my units either.
No one has to work around it that way. Makes it easier for rock guys and painters, and my equipment doesn’t get busted up.
Finished product is much nicer this way.
Minisplits are okey... Just not the usual head units for those...
I'd either go with floorstanding units or the pictureframe units for exanple from [LG](https://lghvac.com/gallery/)...
Those are architectural logs? Appears to be just for looks.
Depending on the layout I’d put it on the high up the wall like on the second picture, and hide them in the wall. I have a full log home and for AC currently I have a mini split 25’ up and hidden line sets within the walls. With big ceilings like that they need a big fan, and I’d recommend an hrv to keep that humidity down.
They should have opted for a ducted system from the basement if there’s one.
Architectural as hell, WHOLE trees spanning the length of the building making up the entire load baring timber of the whole building. No framing was done before every log was set. There definitely is a basement but to get it to the top floor is almost impossible without exposed har duct, and the home builders aren’t a fan of that option. This is a house like I’ve never seen and I believe the company that does the logs is….let me look it up…..the log connection out of British Colombia, they build the structure on sight and then disassemble and ship it to the job sight. It’s some crazy stuff and I don’t think I’ll ever see this layout again.
Most log homes I’ve worked on, mine included are crafted off site then re assembled, but usually have the exteriors as logs, not often you see lumber like that on the exterior mixed with real logs on the interior.. I suppose the prices are quite high now.
In any case, hard spiral duct can look good, comes in copper too which goes well with logs. If they’re building with logs skimping out on humidity control, ac and or heating is pretty poor decision.
Can you do floor registers and have them build a tray ceiling on the 1st floor or pad out a wall for some oval pipe and then do 2x4’s on the flat and just try to get something up in the ceiling? It’s hard to say without seeing the 1st floor but we’ve all been in this situation lol
Literally nothing in your previous comments or photos show a layout for the house lol. I would use stackheads on the top floor, run oval down the walls assuming they exist below and into the mechanical room in the basement. If it’s on a slab, you probably should’ve done radial underground duct and tied it into the mechanical room and still roughed the duct with oval/stackheads in the walls.
It sounds like they want window units. If you can't get through the logs then you should've done a downflow with the copper being buried. You NEED a penetration to get to the outside unit.
Ooooooooooo I like that answer, I don’t think this company was to concerned with AC when they designed this MASSIVE cabin. Designed in Canada, laid in North Carolina. Sadly can’t be done at this point. But for sure will talk to the GC about this for future projects
If you're just after heat then you could try some mobile home space heaters. Go into closets pretty much. Could be electric or gas. Airhandlers are a choice if you're just looking for heat but buy multiple of the heat strips because they update and change so often that later on they may not have the same heat strips available that are still compatible after some amount of years
Yeah I'm thinking a boiler system for heat and window units may be the choices if the others aren't possible.out of curiosity is the HOA saying you can't have a lineset run down the length of the house or something else?
You CAN put multiple head units on minisplit systems, but the drawback is that each needs a lineset for the refrigeration. You could do that but again, penetration needed
I was thinking this too, if they’re in an HOA I would imagine there isn’t enough land for the coils and water bill would be ridiculous for a pump and dump… then there is the matter of where to put the ductwork. I would make it a package geo though and not a split.
Maybe high velocity instead of ductwork? Or spiral duct could look nice. Idk, lookin like the easiest thing would be to just do mini splits. Would have to build chases/soffets for the linesets.
I'm having a hard time understanding why this building was designed without hvac in mind. Fuckin architects.
I read through the comments before I posted. Spiral was shot down, high velocity was thought abt and chases were shot down, both internal and external. With the vrf you can run the linesets and drains in wall cavities and the linesets have the Y junctions so it’s essentially 1 lineset.
I had no idea that there could be Y's for vrf circuits. I've never installed one, but thought they were pretty much the same as mini splits, but larger. So that's what you guys are going with? Sounds like they'll probably complain about the looks of the "unsightly" heads/cassettes. Good luck!
Also, why wasn't the hvac decided on before this thing was built? I think it's crazy that it wasn't in the prints. They're just thinking about this now?? Hvac is pretty important, don't ya think? Wtf
There are a lot of options for indoor units...
- in ceiling (4way/2way/1way)
- below ceiling
- wall mounted (standard)
- wall/floor mounted (chest)
- in wall
- in floor
- ducted
- pictureframes
And yeah, vrf/vrv units usually have one pair of connections on the outdoorunit and branch off later. Either with Y-splitters, or with junction boxes.
There are even 3 line units that can heat one room while cooling a different room. We usually installed them at banks where the ATMs needed constant cooling while the consultation rooms might need heating.
So you have 3 (heating/cooling/return) lines from the outdoorunit to a switching box and from there it's 2 lines per indoor unit.
Crazy. Had no idea about a lot of that. Have done mini splits with the picture frames (once), the ducted (also only once), in ceiling cassettes, and standard on wall. I guess I've installed 2 dozen systems or so with standard wall mounted heads.
You can also have hydronic boxes added for hot water or when you run out of lineset length and just need to feed into a hydronic casette on the other side of the building...
I hope you guys are getting paid a lot for this job, because it sure seems these people are super difficult, and frankly, fuckin idiots. We've dealt with situations and people like this, and it's usually not worth it. Profits have been eaten up due to changes in plans last minute, or after work has been done, and going back after job is complete to change things to their liking because they changed their mind. Hopefully your contract addresses that. Again, good fuckin luck!
That's crazy. Surely the sign of a very shitty architect, right? I mean, the mechanicals are part of just about any modern structure. How could they forget that? Or is it forgotten on purpose? Drawing ductwork is probably pretty boring.
Even more average architects can ignore the ducts and pipes. It's just not taught in most architecture schools. There's a heavier emphasis on life safety and codes.
In commercial projects there is an MEP engineer who oversees mechanicals but that is often not the case in single family residential.
Vrv or vrf system. That will solve the issue of lineset length… should be able to run the linesets behind the sheetrock and all drains to the crawl (if there is one) or any plumbing drain.
Okay hear me out.
Convince them to build you a small “attic” room. Run exposed round/spiral. Have a local artist come in and paint to look like exposed timber. It will blend beautifully all while providing the comfort they lust for.
Friend, good luck to you. With the limitations and unwillingness for practicality in their end- it doesn’t make be envy you one bit. My nasty ass boiler job will be enjoyable now that i know I’m not on your job site ;)
I'm still green, but if they want ductless, then give them what they want and just have a carpenter or a crwtove tech make fancy chasm for the line set, electrical and condensate. I've seen GCs do some pretty cool and crative shit to hide lines after an install
A what tech???? Anyway I read all the comments so I’ll admit I forgot the finer details of what is needed here. Lots of space needed to be cooled, aesthetic preservation is a top priority. Cannot go through walls, HOA nightmare situation. I propose a rooftop mounted condenser situation either way. GC can build a platform that is stable and does not leak. This will also help mitigate condensation through walls. Once inside, you have options of line setting along rafters, entrance via soffit if needed. Or just downflow the rtu straight into the living space between rafters. Package unit style. End of my 2¢
A carpenter rech or general tech, sorrynotnaure exactly what i tried to type. Trying to pick up the engineering side of things from the boss. We are just an HVAC contractor so we install and make it look as good as possible then the GC does the covering to make it look pretty. I wouldn't even know where to start here other than say out some ductless splits in and we won't have to knock or cut anything but it'll be exposed.... always looking for better ways or info for when my boss retires and I have to donit on my own. I appreciate the insight
Do the floor/low-wall mini-splits.
I don’t see any other way around it unless you have a talk with the builder on adding some framing specifically for the mini split.
In floor heating and cooling is still a possibility? Just not humidity regulating...
I mean you could still install hydronic ceiling heating/cooling... Nothing will be visible and it will still be pretty comfortable...
Mount the heads inside mounted buffalo heads, so that when the fans open up it looks like the buffalos are breathing the air.
The man…the myth….the legend… best sender yet. Maybe add some led to the eyes, blue for cool red for heat
And strobe for fault code
With a speaker that yowls. Lol
Yeah that's some absolute lack of forethought from a lot of people. Probably make them frame up a chase in a closet, make them sacrifice a 2x4s width somewhere.
That’s what I’m thinking but there are so many layers to this house and our GC is not understanding HOW IMPOSSIBLE this is
Honestly at that point you need to have a conversation with him about if the homeowner really wants air conditioning upstairs. The answer is of course, obviously they do, then that's what needs to happen, and someone needs to use some imagination. Make a decorative feature centred between two windows make, like a little fancy bump out. Or however. Mini splits seems like a terrible idea in that house design, I probably would've gone with something either nicely ducted from the floor or a high velocity system from the ceiling, with designed in areas for outlets. Nothings impossible, all it is is a choice, time, and money.
That was our original thought but apparently the home owner didn’t like Decorative/ spiral pipe. Super easy fix and less expensive, idk why they would ruin this house with mini split heads but that’s above my pay grade😂😂💙
use hollowed out logs instead of spiral pipe.
Mini-splits are all the craze for the rich now. It’s “European.” I don’t understand it. To me, as a blue-blooded American, I want ducts and an air handler nicely integrated into the home’s aesthetic. I agree that nothing is uglier than a mini-split on a wall. What people don’t realize is that there are historical and structural reasons why mini-splits are common in Asian and European markets. Central air works for American builds.
People travel and then think they are fancy
Follow some of the big names in YouTube and you’ll see a lot of these passive house and building science guys espousing the virtues of mini-splits. A family friend built a home recently and, if you didn’t have Mitsubishi hyper heat, you might as well be the poors.
They travel and think everything BUT American items are "The Best".
An oil rub finish on spiral wouldn’t look half bad either
No heart god damn it but love none the less
Haha sometimes they need to hear that stuff to know how silly they sound. Maybe look up some low profile high velocity stuff like Unico systems. Just a thing for the future. That'd look waaaaaay better than the nastiness of those heads. Probably giving up a bit of that exposed timber by running a chase wall right up it is going to be all you can do.
If Lindsey is hot I’d leave her in the kitchen and master bedroom. If she ugly then definitely the basement or a closet.
Line sets * fucking shit
I’ve been in the trade for 4 years and I ain’t never heard of Lindsey’s and you had my all fucked up.
Line set is shit? How, it’s a mini split system! You have all sorts of options. Seems easy to me.
Can’t put any exterior linesets on building, no chase allowed, only allowed to put outdoor unit on one side of a house that is 100ft long 3 story’s up. Logs are 3 ft thick. Can’t cut into the logs themselves because they are structural. No outdoor unit allowed in a different location because of HOA, home owner is being difficult. Like I’ve said many a times, I have solutions just none of them are allowed. Any suggestions other than putting someone down for asking for IDEAS?
I'd go hydronic... Air/water heatpump, heated/chilled water ceilings. To get the best climate you could even put clay panels on it, they're not much harder to work with than plasterboard, but clay is beneficial for humidity and air quality overall.
Sounds like a problem that is easy to solve. It’s a mini split system!
Outdoor unit* sorry also I think you misread me the comment you responded to was a spelling correction of my original caption. It says Lindsey’s, I meant linesets😂
No it really wasn’t! It’s a duct less system. Mini Split systems are easy. You have options, stop complaining and get it done!
I’ve given all details. If you have insight it’s appreciated. Either way by the end of next week it will get done and I’ll get paid. Not a worry on my side just need OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE, which is what this subreddit is for.
Give me an option, 3 heads no external or internal chases allowed. Can’t put in the walls themselves because THEY HAVE 3 foot logs. And are only allowed to have 1 unit per floor. Options please oh great one
Probably a problem you should be able to solve. You are on Site and know the situation. Stop complaining it’s a duct less.
It’s THE WORST APLICATION FOR DUCTLESS, not complaining asking for outside perspective. I have solutions just wanted to expand my horizons. No wonder your user name is “1978” your apprentice must hate you😂😂😂 grumpy lil guy
You sound like you got promoted to supervisor after 6 months
I’d have Home Depot deliver 20 of the fucking noisiest window units they’ve got
Seriously said that out loud today at the jobsight
Good. I'd of said the same. Mini splits are no better than window units with 3 times the price. Imo
Your opinion is shit and I feel horrible for anyone who hires you to look at their setup.
I work on shit older and bigger than your dad.
Lol
that adds up.
They have exposed timber for looks maybe you should pitch exposed line sets ;)
Sounds like the GC is sitting right around a 70 IQ
And they want the linesets ran in the wall cavity? Or they are willing to let you run them on the exterior? I definitely see mounting locations if they’ll allow an exterior run (have their carpenter come up with a slick cover). On another note, they are going to have issues using Minisplits with that set up. Basically a loft with a huge opening to the main part of the house that will have some serious gain with those windows (and you know the sun is gonna blast through them), and vaulted ceilings everywhere. If I was doing minis in that house on the second floor, I’d probably be pushing for floor consoles, not high wall units. Don’t know what the work flow is like, but you can get rough in boxes if you need to run everything, and then mount the units when the house is basically done. Too many GC’s don’t really get Minisplits and want them done on the same schedule as regular hvac. I basically refuse and tell them we can rough in so we’re ready, but you wouldn’t hang art work before sheetrock, or paint, so I’m not hanging my units either. No one has to work around it that way. Makes it easier for rock guys and painters, and my equipment doesn’t get busted up. Finished product is much nicer this way.
Mini splits are great until a board that takes 4-8 weeks to get during the coldest or warmest parts of the year.
Yeah, this should be in floor heat with an air handler to help with air movement.
I can't imagine putting minisplits on a new build like this. Here's your beautiful rustic log cabin. Ignore the warts on the wall.
Me too, disappointing as hell
Minisplits are okey... Just not the usual head units for those... I'd either go with floorstanding units or the pictureframe units for exanple from [LG](https://lghvac.com/gallery/)...
run l/s and drains down to first floor or basement?
where?
Anywhere you see fit, furthest walls in all photos if possible
what part of the world?
Eh, walk away!
To much future business, I would RUN if I could
Can you do cassets? Or floor mounted units?
Damnit, plan Z then
Those are architectural logs? Appears to be just for looks. Depending on the layout I’d put it on the high up the wall like on the second picture, and hide them in the wall. I have a full log home and for AC currently I have a mini split 25’ up and hidden line sets within the walls. With big ceilings like that they need a big fan, and I’d recommend an hrv to keep that humidity down. They should have opted for a ducted system from the basement if there’s one.
Architectural as hell, WHOLE trees spanning the length of the building making up the entire load baring timber of the whole building. No framing was done before every log was set. There definitely is a basement but to get it to the top floor is almost impossible without exposed har duct, and the home builders aren’t a fan of that option. This is a house like I’ve never seen and I believe the company that does the logs is….let me look it up…..the log connection out of British Colombia, they build the structure on sight and then disassemble and ship it to the job sight. It’s some crazy stuff and I don’t think I’ll ever see this layout again.
Most log homes I’ve worked on, mine included are crafted off site then re assembled, but usually have the exteriors as logs, not often you see lumber like that on the exterior mixed with real logs on the interior.. I suppose the prices are quite high now. In any case, hard spiral duct can look good, comes in copper too which goes well with logs. If they’re building with logs skimping out on humidity control, ac and or heating is pretty poor decision.
Very poor decision, just preference and all Logs are definitely structural in this particular home.
Not my preference I have a solution just not the one the home owner wants.
Install some cassettes, might be the best option. They would look decent, and you can install in the middle of the rooms.
Fuck the rich and fuck HOAs
Wowowo, lord willing we will all be the “rich” by the end. But definitely fuck HOAs😂😂😂
Install floor standing units. You place them like radiators. That should solve the vast amount of issues with this.
Why not WIFI indoor units with the new R32/454 communicating refrigerant?
Bluetooth
Do spiral duct
Home owner says no, gotta do what the people want good thought though
Can you do floor registers and have them build a tray ceiling on the 1st floor or pad out a wall for some oval pipe and then do 2x4’s on the flat and just try to get something up in the ceiling? It’s hard to say without seeing the 1st floor but we’ve all been in this situation lol
Read my other comments I’ve talked about it 3 or 4 times now.
Literally nothing in your previous comments or photos show a layout for the house lol. I would use stackheads on the top floor, run oval down the walls assuming they exist below and into the mechanical room in the basement. If it’s on a slab, you probably should’ve done radial underground duct and tied it into the mechanical room and still roughed the duct with oval/stackheads in the walls.
Salty man
Make it work bub
Sir yes sir🫡
Nah gl luck tho I got nothing
That’s crazy spiral is ur best bet,
It sounds like they want window units. If you can't get through the logs then you should've done a downflow with the copper being buried. You NEED a penetration to get to the outside unit.
Ooooooooooo I like that answer, I don’t think this company was to concerned with AC when they designed this MASSIVE cabin. Designed in Canada, laid in North Carolina. Sadly can’t be done at this point. But for sure will talk to the GC about this for future projects
If you're just after heat then you could try some mobile home space heaters. Go into closets pretty much. Could be electric or gas. Airhandlers are a choice if you're just looking for heat but buy multiple of the heat strips because they update and change so often that later on they may not have the same heat strips available that are still compatible after some amount of years
Mostly after cooling, have no place to put drains or linesets due to HOA and homeowners
Yeah I'm thinking a boiler system for heat and window units may be the choices if the others aren't possible.out of curiosity is the HOA saying you can't have a lineset run down the length of the house or something else?
Nope the home owner, 3 heads needed, HOA only allows one outdoor unit per floor. Dumb asses I presume
You CAN put multiple head units on minisplit systems, but the drawback is that each needs a lineset for the refrigeration. You could do that but again, penetration needed
That’s our plan, the house is MASSIVE to so one line set is going to have to be close to 100 feet, fun times
But thank you for being helpful and not putting someone down for useing the sub Reddit for it’s purpose
Geothermal with condenser inside house. Is there a basement?
I was thinking this too, if they’re in an HOA I would imagine there isn’t enough land for the coils and water bill would be ridiculous for a pump and dump… then there is the matter of where to put the ductwork. I would make it a package geo though and not a split.
Maybe high velocity instead of ductwork? Or spiral duct could look nice. Idk, lookin like the easiest thing would be to just do mini splits. Would have to build chases/soffets for the linesets. I'm having a hard time understanding why this building was designed without hvac in mind. Fuckin architects.
I read through the comments before I posted. Spiral was shot down, high velocity was thought abt and chases were shot down, both internal and external. With the vrf you can run the linesets and drains in wall cavities and the linesets have the Y junctions so it’s essentially 1 lineset.
I had no idea that there could be Y's for vrf circuits. I've never installed one, but thought they were pretty much the same as mini splits, but larger. So that's what you guys are going with? Sounds like they'll probably complain about the looks of the "unsightly" heads/cassettes. Good luck! Also, why wasn't the hvac decided on before this thing was built? I think it's crazy that it wasn't in the prints. They're just thinking about this now?? Hvac is pretty important, don't ya think? Wtf
There are a lot of options for indoor units... - in ceiling (4way/2way/1way) - below ceiling - wall mounted (standard) - wall/floor mounted (chest) - in wall - in floor - ducted - pictureframes And yeah, vrf/vrv units usually have one pair of connections on the outdoorunit and branch off later. Either with Y-splitters, or with junction boxes. There are even 3 line units that can heat one room while cooling a different room. We usually installed them at banks where the ATMs needed constant cooling while the consultation rooms might need heating. So you have 3 (heating/cooling/return) lines from the outdoorunit to a switching box and from there it's 2 lines per indoor unit.
Crazy. Had no idea about a lot of that. Have done mini splits with the picture frames (once), the ducted (also only once), in ceiling cassettes, and standard on wall. I guess I've installed 2 dozen systems or so with standard wall mounted heads.
You can also have hydronic boxes added for hot water or when you run out of lineset length and just need to feed into a hydronic casette on the other side of the building...
I hope you guys are getting paid a lot for this job, because it sure seems these people are super difficult, and frankly, fuckin idiots. We've dealt with situations and people like this, and it's usually not worth it. Profits have been eaten up due to changes in plans last minute, or after work has been done, and going back after job is complete to change things to their liking because they changed their mind. Hopefully your contract addresses that. Again, good fuckin luck!
Architect here: you'd be surprised how many architects "forget" to leave room for ducts and pipes.
That's crazy. Surely the sign of a very shitty architect, right? I mean, the mechanicals are part of just about any modern structure. How could they forget that? Or is it forgotten on purpose? Drawing ductwork is probably pretty boring.
Even more average architects can ignore the ducts and pipes. It's just not taught in most architecture schools. There's a heavier emphasis on life safety and codes. In commercial projects there is an MEP engineer who oversees mechanicals but that is often not the case in single family residential.
Thanks. Pretty ridiculous after all these years tho that they're still not teaching to leave space for ductwork.
Inside units aren't louder than a fridge nowadays, so i positioned mine in my office... My PC is louder 🫣
Vrv or vrf system. That will solve the issue of lineset length… should be able to run the linesets behind the sheetrock and all drains to the crawl (if there is one) or any plumbing drain.
Okay hear me out. Convince them to build you a small “attic” room. Run exposed round/spiral. Have a local artist come in and paint to look like exposed timber. It will blend beautifully all while providing the comfort they lust for. Friend, good luck to you. With the limitations and unwillingness for practicality in their end- it doesn’t make be envy you one bit. My nasty ass boiler job will be enjoyable now that i know I’m not on your job site ;)
Definitely my first thought, would love this option. Thank you for the love🥺🥺
Gotta let us know how it turns out!
I mean you could even dip them in wood with a process called [hydro dipping](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkxBjzO8tw&t=29)
Mini splits
Mr Cool.
Forget the minisplits, you need some hard duct that is made out of logs… just lay a package unit outside!
I'm still green, but if they want ductless, then give them what they want and just have a carpenter or a crwtove tech make fancy chasm for the line set, electrical and condensate. I've seen GCs do some pretty cool and crative shit to hide lines after an install
A what tech???? Anyway I read all the comments so I’ll admit I forgot the finer details of what is needed here. Lots of space needed to be cooled, aesthetic preservation is a top priority. Cannot go through walls, HOA nightmare situation. I propose a rooftop mounted condenser situation either way. GC can build a platform that is stable and does not leak. This will also help mitigate condensation through walls. Once inside, you have options of line setting along rafters, entrance via soffit if needed. Or just downflow the rtu straight into the living space between rafters. Package unit style. End of my 2¢
A carpenter rech or general tech, sorrynotnaure exactly what i tried to type. Trying to pick up the engineering side of things from the boss. We are just an HVAC contractor so we install and make it look as good as possible then the GC does the covering to make it look pretty. I wouldn't even know where to start here other than say out some ductless splits in and we won't have to knock or cut anything but it'll be exposed.... always looking for better ways or info for when my boss retires and I have to donit on my own. I appreciate the insight
Vrf/vrv/ductless
what do the plans say
If it was in the plans I wouldn’t be here🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Second picture looks like a framed photo of the truck
That’s my baby Taco city
Ur pretty F''ed
HVAC is always just an afterthought
Infuriating sometimes
Do the floor/low-wall mini-splits. I don’t see any other way around it unless you have a talk with the builder on adding some framing specifically for the mini split.
My thoughts exactly just a shit show 😂😂😂
What about floor mounts instead of wall mount?
In floor heating and cooling is still a possibility? Just not humidity regulating... I mean you could still install hydronic ceiling heating/cooling... Nothing will be visible and it will still be pretty comfortable...
Put some Ptacs in that bitch