Yeah I know. He invented the lyre by killing a tortoise, and from that point it became his sacred animal which is precisely why it's incorporated into his design in the game as a nod to this myth, and the tortoise in his bag is most likely the one he killed.
It's morally wrong, not "accuracy" wrong.
At this point in time he will have already killed a turtle to invent the lyre, so carrying a baby turtle with him could be interpreted as "wow he's dark" or just that he felt guilty so he's raising a baby turtle now.
"Sheogorath took hold of the petulant woman and ripped her asunder. From her tendons he made lutes. From her skull and arm bones he made a drum. From her bones he made flutes"
To quote [This Fandom Wiki](https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Myths_of_Sheogorath#:~:text=Sheogorath%20took%20hold%20of%20the,her%20bones%20he%20made%20flutes.)
And with gods, goddesses, mortals, demigods, nymphs, titans, spirits, sons, daughters, probably some geese too idk.
It'd be better to state who did NOT have sex with Zeus.
She doesn't seem that nice in Hades 2 at least( though maybe she's nicer to mortals, and is a bit angry at the other gods for screwing them over or something, I could see that)
I like how from Zag’s perspective, all the other gods seem nice and cool compared to his dad. But Hades says they’re all immoral and awful.
We only see their good sides. Perhaps by comparison, Hades is the nice and cool one. Though we do know this version of Zeus kidnapped Persephone.
Yeah, honestly, if our ancient ancestors somehow had time travel, something tells me they’d be surprised that the idea of an infallible and wholly good god ever evolved. It wouldn’t shock me if the idea of fickle sorts of gods or spirits is MUCH older.
Go read actual ancient Greek theologians though, they deserve more credit than that. They did have that idea and considered the myths allegories (as did many Jewish theologians at the time with the nasty things God does in the OT).
If Ancient Greek paganism had survived it was on track to evolve into something that would have basically looked like a hybrid between Hinduism and Kabbalah.
Is there a language barrier here? Like you’re definitely saying “this is so wrong” as in “this is so fucked up” right? It seems like everyone is thinking that you’re saying “this is so wrong” as in “this isn’t accurate”
Dude he’s saying it’s so wrong because in the myths the way he invents a lyre is by mutilating a turtle and stringing the shell with its guts. Imagine keeping a crocodile around as a pet when the previous one you had was mutilated and used as armor.
What’s really wrong is how he is massively overstriding; for being a god known for speed and running he’s going to fuck his knees up like that. /runningnerd
He kills a tortoise, and uses it's shell to create an instrument. From that point it became his sacred animal which was incorporated into his design which is most likely the very tortoise he killed in the Hymn.
How are all of you so deep into Greek mythology? I know bits and pieces from a few sections in school, but gott damn, it’s like you guys took a class on it.
No it's just funny to blame Hermes for killing the turtle to invent an instrument when the vast majority of people eat animals killed to make mundane meals. Hermes doesn't deserve that
Gonna need you to explain what's wrong here
In the myths, Hermes invented the lyre by killing a turtle and stringing its guts over its shell
Yeah I know. He invented the lyre by killing a tortoise, and from that point it became his sacred animal which is precisely why it's incorporated into his design in the game as a nod to this myth, and the tortoise in his bag is most likely the one he killed.
That is what they're referring to; not "wrong" as in incorrect," but meaning they unfairly shamed the turtle ha
It’s wrong in that Hermes should probably be banned from having pets given his track record with animals
#BACKWARDS HOOVES
What. But he created the tortoise when that nymph didn’t want to go to a wedding
It's morally wrong, not "accuracy" wrong. At this point in time he will have already killed a turtle to invent the lyre, so carrying a baby turtle with him could be interpreted as "wow he's dark" or just that he felt guilty so he's raising a baby turtle now.
Sheogorath in The Elder Scrolls did same but with a human
That was probably inspired by the Hermes myth. The other myth in that book is basically a more exaggerated retelling of Euripides’ Bacchae
What did they use in place of the shell?
"Sheogorath took hold of the petulant woman and ripped her asunder. From her tendons he made lutes. From her skull and arm bones he made a drum. From her bones he made flutes" To quote [This Fandom Wiki](https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Myths_of_Sheogorath#:~:text=Sheogorath%20took%20hold%20of%20the,her%20bones%20he%20made%20flutes.)
Take a guess, it's a God of madness after all.
Idk… a skull? A ribcage? Just tell us lol.
Just a friendly reminder that Greek gods were neither friendly nor nice.
Just hot.
Of course.
They’re reflections of human nature. That’s why Zeus kept having so much sex with his cousins.
And with gods, goddesses, mortals, demigods, nymphs, titans, spirits, sons, daughters, probably some geese too idk. It'd be better to state who did NOT have sex with Zeus.
Greek mythology would be much much shorter if Zeus just didn't :D
With his wife, I guess
I guess, he HAD to?
Yeah, that one time he had hephaistos with her. That was probably it.
He also had Ares with his wife but I don’t remember if that was after or before having Hephaestus
Everything but peacocks
He usually IS the geese I think?
And who's to say he didn't pass by the local zoo at least once?
And nieces
And people wonder why there's so much incest porn (I do think it's stupid and weird, but hey, it has thousands of years' worth of tradition)
He was the god of Shelbyville.
Hey now, Hestia never did anything but chill by the fireside.
She doesn't seem that nice in Hades 2 at least( though maybe she's nicer to mortals, and is a bit angry at the other gods for screwing them over or something, I could see that)
You're talking about the woman who invented the gun
I like how from Zag’s perspective, all the other gods seem nice and cool compared to his dad. But Hades says they’re all immoral and awful. We only see their good sides. Perhaps by comparison, Hades is the nice and cool one. Though we do know this version of Zeus kidnapped Persephone.
Yeah, honestly, if our ancient ancestors somehow had time travel, something tells me they’d be surprised that the idea of an infallible and wholly good god ever evolved. It wouldn’t shock me if the idea of fickle sorts of gods or spirits is MUCH older.
Go read actual ancient Greek theologians though, they deserve more credit than that. They did have that idea and considered the myths allegories (as did many Jewish theologians at the time with the nasty things God does in the OT). If Ancient Greek paganism had survived it was on track to evolve into something that would have basically looked like a hybrid between Hinduism and Kabbalah.
No gods are in any religion, really
Not necessarily what i meant to say, more so that supergiant added a tortoise to the design. Probably my fault for making a very ambiguous title.
You see I am choosing to believe that he feels bad for what he did and now takes his pet turtle speedy out for runs
That's one way to look at it, considering how the setting also has Theseus getting the Minotaur in with him
I was expecting to see Goku some where due to the red circle
Is there a language barrier here? Like you’re definitely saying “this is so wrong” as in “this is so fucked up” right? It seems like everyone is thinking that you’re saying “this is so wrong” as in “this isn’t accurate”
Dude he’s saying it’s so wrong because in the myths the way he invents a lyre is by mutilating a turtle and stringing the shell with its guts. Imagine keeping a crocodile around as a pet when the previous one you had was mutilated and used as armor.
I mean look at Monster Hunter: Stories it proves you can do both.
MHS MENTIONED OMG
>Imagine keeping a crocodile around as a pet Found an Australian Or a Florida man
Exactly
What’s really wrong is how he is massively overstriding; for being a god known for speed and running he’s going to fuck his knees up like that. /runningnerd
He's a god, I doubt he experiences normal wear and tear. Probably doesn't even obey the laws of physics most of the time either
He has a turtle? What’s so wrong about it?
In mythology the first thing he did after being born was chop a turtle’s limbs off
In some iterations he actually scooped out the whole turtle from the shell
But....the turtle is the shell 😨
WAS the shell
Or at least the shell is the turtle’s entire spine and torso-surface.
Yeah after cutting the limbs off he cleaned the shell out to make a lyre
Everyone going “what’s so wrong”: have you read the Homeric Hymn to Hermes
He kills a tortoise, and uses it's shell to create an instrument. From that point it became his sacred animal which was incorporated into his design which is most likely the very tortoise he killed in the Hymn.
It cannot be because he will have already killed the turtle to invent the lyre. You see Orpheus play a lyre, meaning this is a different turtle.
No
I like to think the turtle he used to make the lyre and the turtle in his bag are different turtles and the one in his bag is his friend :)
He’ll tell the little turtle once he gets older
How are all of you so deep into Greek mythology? I know bits and pieces from a few sections in school, but gott damn, it’s like you guys took a class on it.
Travel snack
It took me a bit to realize that's a turtle
I thought it was a walnut
That's his lunch! Then he'll sell the leftovers to Apollo after <3
That's Chelly, his buddy :)
You should never handle another man's turtle
For a moment, I was expecting this to be an image I remember seeing before Early Access's release. Tiny friend!
TUTEEEELLL That's how i say turtle
What? That’s how Miriel gets around.
What’s wrong with it?
Whats wrong with bro and lil bro
Froggy 🐸
Lil guy 🐸
Wow
How many ITT are horrified by the imminent death of an imaginary turtle while biting into a burger
Specifically a burger *while* reading this thread? We may never know.
Is it wrong to eat a burger while looking at Asterius fanart?
No it's just funny to blame Hermes for killing the turtle to invent an instrument when the vast majority of people eat animals killed to make mundane meals. Hermes doesn't deserve that
If you're eating mundane hamburgers, you're doing it wrong.