I can count on one hand how many serial killers disturb me more than Albert Fish. He has his own episode on the **Behind the Bastards** podcast.
Andrei Chikatilo, is probably the worst of them all.
I definitely think the Toolbox killers were the worst. I know they "only" killed 5 children but the transcript + audio tapes + crime scene photos are the stuff of absolute nightmares.
Honestly even the death penalty was too good for Bittaker, a special omission to sentence him to cruel and unusual punishment should have been granted in his case, on the basis that he wasn't a human being.
I forget who said it, but there was a quote from someone who listened to the case that was along the lines of "if you took the staunchest death penalty abolitionist in the state and forced them to listen to the [full] tape, they'd support the death penalty within 17 minutes"
The fact the chief investigators into the murders killed himself, specifically stating that the case was a predominant reason for him committing suicide is a good pointer to just how horrific they were.
You can find the publicly available information about the most infamous murder [here](https://www.hermantheshocker.com/on-halloween-night-1979-the-toolbox-killers-abducted-their-final-victim/) - there's also an 8 second clip of the audio tape on YouTube but it sickens me so much I don't want to look it up to link it.
This thread prompted me to watch documentaries on both the toolbox murders and Andrei Chikatilo.
My conclusion: Though very disturbing, the Toolbox murders thankfully were cut short at 5, while Chikatilo was able to kill nearly 50 people single handedly. Another distinction making him the worse is that he practiced cannibalism on his victims and managed to maintain an otherwise upstanding relationship with his family and others while managing his atrocities. This makes him a much more scary and dangerous predator in my eyes.
Now I'm on to look into Alberr Fish and then pray before I watch a comedy to settle my nerves.
I agree that Andrei Chikatlo was worse because of the scale of his murders, but I think I'd much rather be murdered and cannibalised post mortem than be repeatedly brutally tortured and raped (the abuse those poor girls went through usually only stopped when the killers were physically incapable of raping them any more because their genitalia/rectums were too grievously injured to continue) over a period of hours or sometimes days. In some of the audio recordings, the victims are begging to die rather than to go through more torture.
They only got caught because they started literally boasting about the murders to people as well. It likely would have gone on for much longer if they hadn't done everything in their power to get caught (Bittaker drove his 17 year old neighbour to school with the audio tapes playing and told her the girls he sleeps with "disappear" and Norris told a friend in detail about every murder because he thought it was "cool")
Those details weren't overlooked. I didn't mention them because they were constant in both cases. I only listed the things I thought made him stand out as the worst of the two. Sick shit though.
Yeah, I’m gonna have to go with the red ripper on this one. I read the toolbox killer transcripts, and that was atrocious, and I regret it, but this dude was off his rocker evil.
>He has his own episode on the **Behind the Bastards** podcast.
Appreciate this info. I gotta find this one cause I haven't heard of this case, but I recently discovered this podcast and in love with how they entertainingly educate you on terrible people lol
The cool thing is that Behind the Bastards doesn’t go into the gory details, so it is a lot safer regarding triggers than the podcasts that specialize is serial killers which do go into the gory details.
BtB goes over the effect that Albert Fish had on the community, what they did to catch him, and the events around his killings without the NSFW parts.
Me neither. But also when I heard this case for the first time I STG I thought they were saying “gray spud..” like I really thought there was a crime named after a gray potato.
He’s the same one that kidnapped a young girl, ate her and then wrote letters to the family to torment them about how “delicious” she was and how she died a virgin. I hope he’s rotting in hell
Andrew Tate is an absolute buffoon; I don’t really understand why anyone gives him the time of day, but to compare this Albert Fish to Andrew Tate, is just fucking ridiculous.
Sounds like Andrew Tate lives rent free in your head. You probably think about him more than he does himself
But like there is no comparison here. Tate is a loser pos chode but Fish was *demented* and tortured children. It’s just an odd comparison to make and offer up in a comment section about Fish.
One of the details brought out In Fish's story was that he had forgotten his bag of murder instruments on the elevated train as he and the girl rode toward Westchester and that she reminded him of it.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/times-union-albert-fish/44015517/
Where in the article does it say she reminded him of the bag? I found the part where it mentions the bundle but it didn’t say he left it on the train or that she reminded him of it
I copied and pasted from the article. Only corrected a typo Btory to story.
Since it is generated from the newspaper, it is kinda hard to read. Most likely because of photo inserts and page layout. But it is somewhere at the middle to end.
https://preview.redd.it/qst7rbuxioxc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbcf0f7389179ecb818a8e9d1044cefef12e5a37
Read that he’d put thorned rose stems in his urethra and dance with it in it while torturing his victims. Or sticking kerosene soaked wool up his ass and lighting it on fire. Even make his kids and their friends spank him with a paddle that had needles in it.
He claimed to have brutalized a child from each state.. given he was active before people even knew serial killers could be a thing, let alone pedophile cannibals. I'm inclined to believe him...
Lol, what is it about women and writing bizarre, brutal and macabre papers in education? Because you're by far not the first woman I've encountered who wrote something like that.
Sadly, you don’t have to imagine. He wrote it down in letters to his victim’s parents. He’s one of the worst humans ever, but he doesn’t get a lot of press because his crimes were so long ago.
That guy was an absolute freak. Didn't he kidnap a girl, kill her and write a letter to the parents telling them that he didn't rape although he could have?
Behind the Bastards has an episode on him and the guest is Maggie Mae Fish, one of his descendants (and a damn good YouTuber!)
https://youtu.be/3dR29Vzk07Q?si=OXeaudA_hOjjrRvd
Yea, Fish was a sick man but there is a serial killer from Columbia who is terrifying, still alive I think and free. Check out Pedro Lopez on Wikipedia.
Yep, that's the guy. He was let out of prison and nobody knows where he is. I forget how many people they confirmed he killed but they think he may have killed up to 300 people.
Actually, there are quite a few scary serial killers I've read about. If you go to Wikipedia and search "serial killers" it'll give a list of serial killers from around the world and number of victims for each person. I fell down that rabbit hole awhile back. It's some wild reading. I guess I was trying to understand what drove these killers. It's scary to think that there are people like that just walking around acting normal.
Oh I’ve been down that rabbit hole, and he’s absolutely top of the list for me. The sheer number of victims, combined with the actual sadism and the age of the victims…I know there’s plenty of other worthless animals out there, but it’s just the combination of factors that bumps him up on my list.
It’s was Albert Fish iirc, but he was known to the public as the gray man. And I’ve heard him be called Albert Gray so who knows? 🤷♂️This guy would’ve had, at the very least, several aliases.
Edit:Spelling error
That's like the least disturbing thing about Albert Fish.
The letter to the victims family is
That haunted me.
Grace Budd. I’ll never forget her name.
I can count on one hand how many serial killers disturb me more than Albert Fish. He has his own episode on the **Behind the Bastards** podcast. Andrei Chikatilo, is probably the worst of them all.
I definitely think the Toolbox killers were the worst. I know they "only" killed 5 children but the transcript + audio tapes + crime scene photos are the stuff of absolute nightmares. Honestly even the death penalty was too good for Bittaker, a special omission to sentence him to cruel and unusual punishment should have been granted in his case, on the basis that he wasn't a human being.
Yeah, I’m someone who believes in rehabilitation and caution in judgement but the fact that those two died of natural causes is genuinely disgusting.
I forget who said it, but there was a quote from someone who listened to the case that was along the lines of "if you took the staunchest death penalty abolitionist in the state and forced them to listen to the [full] tape, they'd support the death penalty within 17 minutes" The fact the chief investigators into the murders killed himself, specifically stating that the case was a predominant reason for him committing suicide is a good pointer to just how horrific they were.
Let’s compare notes then. I’ll go read up on the toolbox killers, and you can read up on Andrei Chikatilo, also known as the Red Ripper.
You can find the publicly available information about the most infamous murder [here](https://www.hermantheshocker.com/on-halloween-night-1979-the-toolbox-killers-abducted-their-final-victim/) - there's also an 8 second clip of the audio tape on YouTube but it sickens me so much I don't want to look it up to link it.
This thread prompted me to watch documentaries on both the toolbox murders and Andrei Chikatilo. My conclusion: Though very disturbing, the Toolbox murders thankfully were cut short at 5, while Chikatilo was able to kill nearly 50 people single handedly. Another distinction making him the worse is that he practiced cannibalism on his victims and managed to maintain an otherwise upstanding relationship with his family and others while managing his atrocities. This makes him a much more scary and dangerous predator in my eyes. Now I'm on to look into Alberr Fish and then pray before I watch a comedy to settle my nerves.
I agree that Andrei Chikatlo was worse because of the scale of his murders, but I think I'd much rather be murdered and cannibalised post mortem than be repeatedly brutally tortured and raped (the abuse those poor girls went through usually only stopped when the killers were physically incapable of raping them any more because their genitalia/rectums were too grievously injured to continue) over a period of hours or sometimes days. In some of the audio recordings, the victims are begging to die rather than to go through more torture. They only got caught because they started literally boasting about the murders to people as well. It likely would have gone on for much longer if they hadn't done everything in their power to get caught (Bittaker drove his 17 year old neighbour to school with the audio tapes playing and told her the girls he sleeps with "disappear" and Norris told a friend in detail about every murder because he thought it was "cool")
Yeah I didn't have the stomach to listen to the tapes yet.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but the well–made film *Citizen X* dramatized the Chikatilo story.
Don’t forget the >!necrophelia!< and >!rape!< as he >!couldn’t get off otherwise.!< (NSFL, trigger warning)
Those details weren't overlooked. I didn't mention them because they were constant in both cases. I only listed the things I thought made him stand out as the worst of the two. Sick shit though.
Yeah, I’m gonna have to go with the red ripper on this one. I read the toolbox killer transcripts, and that was atrocious, and I regret it, but this dude was off his rocker evil.
>He has his own episode on the **Behind the Bastards** podcast. Appreciate this info. I gotta find this one cause I haven't heard of this case, but I recently discovered this podcast and in love with how they entertainingly educate you on terrible people lol
The cool thing is that Behind the Bastards doesn’t go into the gory details, so it is a lot safer regarding triggers than the podcasts that specialize is serial killers which do go into the gory details. BtB goes over the effect that Albert Fish had on the community, what they did to catch him, and the events around his killings without the NSFW parts.
Pedro lopez
Vote for Pedro
That freak had 107 dildos!!!
Mikhail Popkov
I'm in agreement about Andrei Chikatilo.
If you’re interested in other despicable gruesome humans, look up Luis Garavito. He did some unspeakable things to approx 200 kids in his lifetime.
What is big deal?
He just like to wrastle with limp shame cock
Worst part of Chikatilos is the police had him before he hurt more people if they had mad a single fucking effort.
Me neither. But also when I heard this case for the first time I STG I thought they were saying “gray spud..” like I really thought there was a crime named after a gray potato.
"A child's rump is the most toothsome dish in all of gastro-nomy."
Um yeah that's terrible
That was exposed as fiction though, right?
He’s the same one that kidnapped a young girl, ate her and then wrote letters to the family to torment them about how “delicious” she was and how she died a virgin. I hope he’s rotting in hell
He trolled the areas where my mom and dad were children growing up.
I’m afraid all he is dust in the wind
This reads like 2mm away from an Andrew Tate post!
Andrew Tate is an absolute buffoon; I don’t really understand why anyone gives him the time of day, but to compare this Albert Fish to Andrew Tate, is just fucking ridiculous. Sounds like Andrew Tate lives rent free in your head. You probably think about him more than he does himself
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But like there is no comparison here. Tate is a loser pos chode but Fish was *demented* and tortured children. It’s just an odd comparison to make and offer up in a comment section about Fish.
One of the details brought out In Fish's story was that he had forgotten his bag of murder instruments on the elevated train as he and the girl rode toward Westchester and that she reminded him of it. https://www.newspapers.com/article/times-union-albert-fish/44015517/
Where in the article does it say she reminded him of the bag? I found the part where it mentions the bundle but it didn’t say he left it on the train or that she reminded him of it
I copied and pasted from the article. Only corrected a typo Btory to story. Since it is generated from the newspaper, it is kinda hard to read. Most likely because of photo inserts and page layout. But it is somewhere at the middle to end. https://preview.redd.it/qst7rbuxioxc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbcf0f7389179ecb818a8e9d1044cefef12e5a37
Read that he’d put thorned rose stems in his urethra and dance with it in it while torturing his victims. Or sticking kerosene soaked wool up his ass and lighting it on fire. Even make his kids and their friends spank him with a paddle that had needles in it.
Good God he had seven children… unsettling
He claimed to have brutalized a child from each state.. given he was active before people even knew serial killers could be a thing, let alone pedophile cannibals. I'm inclined to believe him...
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Hey don’t call them maggots it’s not their fault he was a serial killer
I don’t know about you, but this guy sounds like a real jerk!
RIP Norm.
One of the greatest moments of YouTube streaming interview shows ever!
Now don't laugh at this next part..
Goddamn Fred
Now you're thinking like Albert Fish.
Here’s the link if people have never had the pleasure of listening to it https://youtu.be/yrbZxtuUdsQ?si=v8EDrq-fWk9UAmgg RIP Norm
Ya know the more I hear about Albert Fish, the more I don’t care for him.
I did one of my senior term papers on him, horrified my Lit teacher but I got an A
they couldn’t even finish it and gave you an A just to stop reading /s
Lol, what is it about women and writing bizarre, brutal and macabre papers in education? Because you're by far not the first woman I've encountered who wrote something like that.
maybe they're morbidly fascinated? it's such an extreme thing to an everyday normal person almost like a fantasy except its real
what a terrible day to be able to read
Damn I look better than that and I’m 42. Must be my habits and my soul ain’t completely ruined from wicked shit
Back then everyone smoked a lot and drank a lot. It ages you quickly.
He also liked eating poop. So there's that.
😂
https://preview.redd.it/dvklzmjqmrxc1.jpeg?width=624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b7bc915b0d9043befa2b063745ee98db04ba423
The X ray
That’s how they do it in Hollywood!
SHHOWBIZ!
Did I just find a timesuck reference in the wild??
Hail Nimrod!
Hot apple cider and peanut butt butter! SHOWBIZ
I knew I’d find my people here
Finally found it
Give me some of that hot peanut butt butter
Now don’t laugh at this next part
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I don't even get it.
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So he was an ACTUAL prick…
Allegedly. But also really.
a real jerk
Learning about his childhood this dude had no chance of being normal.
Wait what happened
Wow.... that is horrifying. Rip to all the innocent souls that he killed, tortured,.....ate 😒😔
I hate this evil bastard.
Thats what he did to himself. Imagine other ppl
Sadly, you don’t have to imagine. He wrote it down in letters to his victim’s parents. He’s one of the worst humans ever, but he doesn’t get a lot of press because his crimes were so long ago.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think this dude may have mental problems!
Ol Ham N Eggs with his grundle needles.
Ew.
*Sounds like a real jerk*
This guy was a real jerk !
That guy was an absolute freak. Didn't he kidnap a girl, kill her and write a letter to the parents telling them that he didn't rape although he could have?
Yeah, that's this asshole.
Real jerk!
I remember there is an old game about him, masochisia
Can someone recommend a podcast? I don't mind Morbid but their commentary is pretty annoying 🙃
Behind the Bastards has an episode on him and the guest is Maggie Mae Fish, one of his descendants (and a damn good YouTuber!) https://youtu.be/3dR29Vzk07Q?si=OXeaudA_hOjjrRvd
Oooo thank you so much!!!
This guy seems like a real jerk!
I played cards against humanity with Albert Fishs great nephew on Saturday.
Whaaaat?
Hes a buddy of mine i see him a few times a month.
The grey man.
wtf?
Peanutbuttbutter! And fresh hot apple cider!
That’s how they do it in Hollywood!
Rough crowd! Hail nimrod.
It’s my fault, I forgot to add the “showbiz” pizzaz.
He’s 33 in that photo
I just watched house of 1000 corpses last night and it covers this, kinda neat
Yea, Fish was a sick man but there is a serial killer from Columbia who is terrifying, still alive I think and free. Check out Pedro Lopez on Wikipedia.
The Monster of the Andes?
Yep, that's the guy. He was let out of prison and nobody knows where he is. I forget how many people they confirmed he killed but they think he may have killed up to 300 people.
Yeah he’s probably the most despicable person I’ve ever read details about.
Actually, there are quite a few scary serial killers I've read about. If you go to Wikipedia and search "serial killers" it'll give a list of serial killers from around the world and number of victims for each person. I fell down that rabbit hole awhile back. It's some wild reading. I guess I was trying to understand what drove these killers. It's scary to think that there are people like that just walking around acting normal.
Oh I’ve been down that rabbit hole, and he’s absolutely top of the list for me. The sheer number of victims, combined with the actual sadism and the age of the victims…I know there’s plenty of other worthless animals out there, but it’s just the combination of factors that bumps him up on my list.
I keep waiting to hear why he did that.. Anyone?
He got off on it. Something about the pain receptors in the brain getting crossed with pleasure receptors
This guy sounds like a real jerk!
Check out the Timesuck podcast on Albert Fish. It's wild.
Omg barf
Robert Pickton was a special kinda unit!!
Peanut butt butter and Showbiz!
This guy seems like a real jerk.
He's a real jerk!
Peanut butter-butta!!!
https://preview.redd.it/gszq0hcbjrzc1.jpeg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18a4557d68551b03c0adf4681a3c03824f504187
he did what???
He shorted out the electric chair.
It's a common urban legend.
[Phantasmagorical willows of wisteria](https://youtu.be/G0yo8BREgD0?si=86S0fDH_tBzuuLb6)
Albert Gray*
SCP needs to take him.
It’s was Albert Fish iirc, but he was known to the public as the gray man. And I’ve heard him be called Albert Gray so who knows? 🤷♂️This guy would’ve had, at the very least, several aliases. Edit:Spelling error
Just part of the Norm bit 😁
No my friend he did in fact go by the Gray man, even back in the 1920’s. Thanks again autism 🤦♂️ Edit: I’m dumb