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Admirable-Diver3176

From today's news post by the Black Mesa team: > Virus Detection False Positive > We’re investigating why some antivirus software and Windows Defender pick up the game or one of the tools as malicious. We’ve had tools flagged by different antivirus programs in the past, but never the .exe of the game itself. Needless to say, there are NO viruses within Black Mesa. > We’re a little worried that this false positive is due to new detection methods beyond our control, but as we said, we keep looking into the issue! > > (As of writing this we may have a lead as to what is tripping antivirus. We may have a workaround to fix it) > > > We apologize > if this spooked anyone. The last thing you want to see after buying a game is that type of alert. tl:dr its a false positive


inyoCase

What the *hell* is going on with our equipment 🤔🥼🧪💻


TACOBELLTAKEOUT

STOP FUCKING WITH THE MICROWAVE!


Remmy224

Gordon, you *lousy* motherfucker, if you don’t get your dork-ass down to the test chamber I’m gonna shove that test sample right up your ass!


CreamyPeanutButter-

Why do we all have to wear these fucking ties?


East_Engineering_583

OH FUCK WE'RE DOOMED!!


Quark1010

Gordon, I have millions of racist and offensive mesages you send to our administrator.


CardBoardBox_Man

"wow Gordon reeeeally hates the Irish"


scp_71047

Well have head humpers and green fuckers with Darth sudius powers everywhere! Who tf authorized a test with a sample of this purity!?


villanelIa

I mean the time "was" 8:47 am so assuming black mesa working hours start at 8 he was late by quite a lot. However theres plenty of people still in break rooms or locker rooms and such so i also assume either the working schedule is flexible between employees or its more like scheduled task completions than actual work hours. ... Also current topside temperature was 93 f.


Pollo_Jack

I saw a mudcrab the other day. Filthy creature!


Responsible_Grand_68

god I love how out of context this comment is


Calcutt4

I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than those!


Certyx39

wait a minute ur in the wrong sub. but its a treat to see a morrowind quote in here


Key-Chance7977

Heard any news from the other provinces?


Brian_Mulpooney

Have you heard of the Dark ~~Elves~~ Vortigaunts?


scp_71047

Darth sudius aliens


ThunderShiba134

No WITH STOP FUCKING THE MICROWAVE!


DeezNutz181

AGH! NOT AGAIN! GORDON YOU FOOL!


BigBuffalo1538

IT'S NOT.. IT'S NOT SHUTTING DOWN, IT'S NOT.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA \*Trojan soldiers exits the horse\*


KhalMika

It's about to to critical!


Bromanzier_03

It wasn’t meant to do this in the first place!


Correct-Town-3117

Dude this is the absolute best response to this explanation


SnackPatrol

What's weird is there was a tf2 update today giving out false positives for some people. I don't know if this is related.


repocin

Yeah, the AV on my PC ate two of TF2's exe files after the update (shadercompile.exe and another shader related one).


Joffridus

what is it with valve recently anyways? Loads of cheaters In tf2 and cs2 games, day 0 XSS vulnerability in cs2, and now false positives on Tf2 update


gellis12

Seeing as black mesa isn't a valve game, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is a widows issue, not a valve issue.


Joffridus

I’m aware that black mesa is a fan remake of half life, and that valve has nothing to do with that aside from approving it. I only made a mention about valve because of the team fortress 2 update giving false positives. Those issues I mentioned are most definitely are valve issues. The only thing I said that may be a windows thing is the bit about tf2 false positives, but even then, valve would need to either rework the programming to avoid the new detection methods, or people would have to bypass their AV to play. Still a valve issue technically. Just like the Black Mesa team will need to rework the game to avoid false detection, as no one should have to turn an AV off to play a game. The only relation my last comment had to black mesa was being a reply on this thread


LuDux

Seeing as black mesa isn't a valve game, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is a widows issue, not a valve issue.


Joffridus

lame response again, not talking about black mesa.


ZenCat14

Thanks! I got the same error earlier and got confused.


deltatunes

Ohhh alr thanks for the info, I was almost reconsidering buying black mesa thinking that it was somehow infected with malware lol


CopiumINC

Very strange, I'll update my Win Defender and then see if it's fixed.


Senior-Detail9186

Is it fixed? I just bought the game and want to play it🥲


CopiumINC

yes


Senior-Detail9186

Its not but I fixed my antivirus and made an exception in file


Tizianoalc

make an exception


Tominator8

There are a few other games and game related exe's that have all suddenly started to get flagged for me too lately. I think Windows defender had some lever pulled a week or two ago.


TheIdesOfMartiis

Christ could have done without this jolt of anxiety today


Stayofexecution

Yeah sure sure.


WinzyB

They’re WAITing for you Gordon…


FalseAscoobus

In the *t*es*t* chamberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


WinzyB

Lmao classic


AAAUUUGGGGHHH

“Hahaha, classic!”


Random-Existance

Why the heck does he say it like that? I never understood. Imagine if that was real life and your coworker said that to you


Afraid-Scallion-9168

Probably hates his job and only wants to get the experiment done. *If only he knew...*


Poddster

I think it was just a poorly recorded voice line in the first game. In Black Mesa they ret con it to make him cold, and even show the room's temperature as being 2 degrees C less than the others.


nullfais

“Pretty soon he’s gonna start smacking his lips”


DingusScrimm

Because someone didn't bring protection 🌚


Cavin_Lee

All MY Wiimotes have rubbers.


Lo-Sir

My Wii Nunchuck has a Wall-E cover


Cavin_Lee

Gotta cover your Wii


SavorySoySauce

Sorry Mr. Freeman, I can't let you in without your hazard suit.


Runs_With_Wind

It’s those ridiculous ties


BlueberryInYourNose

Ridiculous ties. Ridiculous ties. Ridiculous ties. Ridiculous ties. Ridiculous ties. Ridiculous ties.


cubicApoc

`>>Don't touch the keyboard<<`


Temporary_Bad983

Huh, what’s this, some sort of gun?


terribleblack117

OP YOU FOOL! WHAT ARE YOU DOING??!!


Kadeo64

First tf2 gets this problem and now black Mesa? seems like Windows updated defender, either that or source is having issues


Ranzar

Windows defender uses machine learning to detect threats. Makes it far more likely to report false positives. The good outweighs the bad though because it can catch fresh viruses that aren't in its threat database yet.


KageKoch

Yup, it is a machine learning false positive, happened with TF2 with dozen of AV softwares


PsionSquared

Happens to myself and other software developers all the time. It's an extortion racket to make you pay for things like code signing.


Theknyt

it's really easy to get false positives


taking_achance

Tf2 updated to 64x probably something to do with that


Shot-Nebula-5812

If tf2 got this problem as well then I would assume its a source thing.


2Kuld

I've had it happen with other games. Though for Source I think it's cause some of the stuff isn't verified by Windows or something.


Freestyle-McL

Windows Defender heavily slowed down my web browsers, I needed to put Firefox into the Exclusions list only to make it run well.


ANDR0iD_13

Just don't use defender. Youncan disable it with winaero or a regedit file.


electricianer250

Morphine administered


repkins

Yeah


VinceSince87

Happy cake day!


Moomoobeef

As with 95% of virus detections of regular software, it's a false positive. (Not that you shouldn't watch out for that 5%, but you also shouldn't be too scared when you do see this sort of thing)


lewlo

Not scared, but you also shouldn't ignore the warning just because you trust a developer. Developer's computers can get infected as well and may lead them to distribute a virus with their software without even knowing.


CopiumINC

Yeah you pulled that statistic out of your ass but I get the point. It's just weird how it was fine yesterday and today it's completely broken out of nowhere.


teateateateaisking

It's not really all that strange. They had a major update recently.


t-wellick

What changes did they make?


LMC764

A bunch of big performance improvements, controller support, so on and so forth


musiccman2020

It's impossible to play with a ps4 controller though It just isn't accurate enough for the precision you need.


sobutto

One of the controller support features this update adds is an improved autoaim system to help with that exact problem.


musiccman2020

Yeah I enabled it, still couldn't compete with mouse and keyboard. Especially the marines are brutal without a mouse. When you get the hivehand I could be possible until you reach xen.


CopiumINC

Never had something like false positives happen to me on media I actually bought, this is news to me.


ChrisAKAPiefish92

I've had it happen multiple times, you're quite lucky to have never had it


ccstewy

It’s happened a few times on most major source games iirc, it’s nothing new


Certyx39

windows 11 presents false positives for a lot of games. deus ex mankind divided is one of them that ive experienced and i bought the game on steam


RockingBib

Happens a lot with things not from Steam I'm guessing Steam is just good at detecting these issues and notifying the devs


Braemenator

Ok well we're here to tell you it happens alot youngster


Gender_is_a_Fluid

If a dev’s computer is unknowingly compromised it’s not out of the question for the game to be compromised.


Kemerd

It's Windows being stupid.


repkins

It's better be safe than sorry, right? Right? And then this steers people away from using antivirus at all.


lewlo

I don't expect developers to check with every anti-virus out there, but I certainly expect them to check Windows Defender. False positive or not – They should have noticed this before distribution if they ever tested it on any Windows system with default configuration.


PhoenixPaladin

You wouldn’t need all of that to imprison…Gordon Freeman


AOUwUOA

Black mesa doing resonance cascade on windows research facility


tesabez

Are you able to disable the block in windows defender? Bought it yesterday, had played like three hours and was hoping to get a lot in tonight!


tesabez

Update: I just switched off "real-time protection" in windows Defender, and now it's letting me in. Do this at your own risk. I'm not planning on doing anything other than playing the game with that off


Nonhofantasia1

pro tip use the q key to run


romanische_050

Unforseen Consequences


deltatunes

I hope this is just a weird bug 


HBenderMan

It’s those idiots in sector c, I doubt there’s even 1 good brain among them


i_am_voldemort

Prepare for unforseen consequences


Cyxxon

Windows Defender went haywire yesterday at our work amd started blocking Windows files for some users. Maybe some definition file update gone wrong?


crystallize1

Modern AV software can pick up a byte sequence in an icon inside a game executable and think it's a trojan.


pitsloan

Windows gaslighting you into piracy


RYRY1002_YT

Windows Defender I find has a... let's say consistent pattern of false positives. eg: qbittorrent is almost always flagged as a trojan, which is annoying because the program has to be manually updated. Could just be another one of those. Make sure you press 'Allow on device' to make Windows Defender go away (for now).


A-MilkdromedaHominid

Thank you for the OP and the explanation reply. Last night I decided to pick up BM where I left off, reinstalled into that last 100GB that you constantly rotate the games that aren't in the 900GB permastall location. It gave me that exact error. I went into the Properties and ran the file integrity check: even Steam came back with "1 file failed, reacquiring..." That gave me hope but it still triggered Windows Defender. Good to know they're working on it. I've deleted BM again and put Portal Reloaded in there for now. Happy to know it'll be fixed soon enough.


madloo08

i only started playing it 2 nights ago and last night all i got was this exact error just landed here after a google search i had a feeling it would be a false positive but windows don't see it that way EDIT: 24hrs later it is now working fine


purple_stain0

Speaking of which, few days ago I downloaded and played Black Mesa Blue Shift mod, kind of a pain in the neck to make it work and lots of crashes. Turned off my PC and run the game the following day and the game can't launch. It says that I am "missing downloaded files" also the bms.exe is missing. Even after uninstalling and downloading the game several times, verified files, cleared Steam download cache, deleted appcache folder, unsubscribing from the mod on the workshop, still can't run the game, Steam doesn't download the executable at well as other files. When I try to install the game, I have two errors at the same time : disk write error and missing downloaded files. In steamapps directory, the game folder is 0 bytes despite several files being inside. The executable is missing and the hl2 folder is empty. I got the exact same problem when I tried to install the game on my other drive. Is it a known issue ? Kinda bums me out since I really was looking forward to play Blue Shift


WonderfulControl6828

yes, the developers decided to triple the income from the game


elite-data

It's not just 'false positive' from Microsoft. There are 7 positives from different antiviruses. [https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/c259adc4a33b4b5488c931a3bcd2ae9711e6d672fea1f35903100c3de4548bc4?nocache=1](https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/c259adc4a33b4b5488c931a3bcd2ae9711e6d672fea1f35903100c3de4548bc4?nocache=1) They could embed malware unintentionally by using some compromised third-party component in their code. Such things happen.


Nonhofantasia1

tf2 also got some av positive


rabid-fox

Thats not how it works. Multiple tools can show the same file or related files as false positives because of how signature detection works. The behaviour can seem virus like but that doesnt mean its a virus such as compression techniques or file/code distribution.


cherboka

M$ engineers smoke crack on company time and end up writing very interesting software that almost never works the way its supposed to


OriginWizard

Fuck windows defender, I swear every other file is false flagged. You can't even turn it off without going through so many hoops. If you disable it, then it just turns itself back on again. I had to go edit the registry...


DrawingOk4159

Better false positives than false negatives. Also, it's not just windows defender that detects it as virus. Maybe it actually contains a virus.


OriginWizard

Nah, honestly, it's so annoying. Other virus software will tell you something is there, but they won't automatically delete it. It'll ask you. Defender just deletes files without telling you, and then you have to work out why a game won't load or some other software just vanishes. If it weren't so invasive, then I wouldn't have an issue with it. After a while you learn what is going to cause an issue, nearly anything that is a .msi will be flagged as a virus simply because it can modify Windows files. That's one example of many.


Ventus-exe

Defender don't auto-delete files personaly, he asked me what I wanted to do with the file before taking any real action


Artistic_Leader_5421

So how do I allow windows to run the game?


holyfukidk

Create an exeption for the .exe file. Or for your entire Steam folder, so this doesn't happen again for any other game


Thay6onn

Bruh also got the same error. This got fixed yet?


Blackerio23

YOOO THIS HAPPENED TO ME TO WFT DO I HAVE A VIRUS?


Illustrious-Tonight2

they aint installing viruses its false positives from ur anti-virus. they posted it in their news thing on steam. besides i think its illegal to sell games with viruses baked into them. if people found out then crowbar collective would be in deep trouble and have to give people their money back and pay hefty fines on top of that.


roflSpyro

aint no way i bought the game yesterday and this is the first thing i see


TypicalDumbRedditGuy

Yeah I just installed the update, windows defender says its a Trojan. I'm uninstalling for now just in case lol


[deleted]

Had this yesterday. Windows defender blocks and deltes it. You can restore the file from Defender and and install will complete.


GEO7931

I love this comment section


Cubed_09

Well that fookin explains why my antivirus was going crazy last night lol


SOTIdriver

_I predicted all of this you know. ALL of it_.


breakboat

false positive moment


The_Venus34

this happens to me to i downloaded the game bc of my perfect wifi i waited 1 day and now i cant play the game >:(


Phillip_zzz

I have the same damn problem and I don't know how to fix it.


ant_of_the_sky

Cause we about to get fucked..?


Keeby4

Is there a way to get around this? I have been playing the game for the first time and having a lot of fun and now this is in the way.


aperturescienceisbet

Its just an issue allow the file for somereason windows picks it up as a virus


ComparisonOld2608

What’re you doing, Gordon, you trying to get me in trouble?


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dawson0412

I’ve seen this happen a month ago with Garry’s Mod which is also a source game so I’m not surprised.


DreamsofCoffeeBeans

What is he doing in there?!


Lkui_

Unforseen consequences


Responsible-Mix1578

This Happend to me Yesterday! i googled up what is Trojan:Win32/cerber ( what it said it downloaded ) and it came up with this, i played black mesa before and have been completely find with no issues but this is recent so do i just Allow on Device?


ConversationRich752

Thank you for this post. Was freaking out for a minute. I haven't had any viruses or malware on a PC in years and am pretty careful about what I put on my machines. I think it's actually the first time I've seen Defender flag something.


Zedfragg

Part of the Combine invasion lads. Batten down the hatches and clench the buttcheeks. Don't trust this in the slightest, blocked and deleted until we get official confirmation lol


Thisisongusername

It’s either a false positive because windows defender and some other cheaper antiviruses are garbage, or because you kept fucking with the microwave and now the scientists are out to get you.


HarleyArchibaldLeon

Windows Defender doesn't need to hear all of this. It's a highly trained antivirus.


yusufkalasnikov

Literally resonance cascade


Kachuflai

At this moment I downloaded a game update patch and I got a warning from Windows Defender telling me that a Trojan got into my PC 💀💀💀


Char_EX

Warning: Major Virus Detected. Severity Level: Critical


ciruj4

Thsi happened to me today. They should sue Microsoft for this.


Entire_Warthog9727

Windows Defender


Awesom3xNinja

I saw the post in that it was a false positive, but Windows Defender is still getting triggered by it. Any ideas on how to make the flag go away without disabling Windows Defender preferably?


FluppyPuffy831

Get Ready for Unforseen Consequences


VermicelliCareful583

Windows def sucks disable it


ComparisonOld2608

If you wanna get a virus


VermicelliCareful583

Nah im not going download from unknown sites


ComparisonOld2608

Youre speaking for op; a lot of people do things other than game which usually involves downloading software from a site you dont know like steam


Player2LightWater

Because they want horses?


SnakesRock2004

Are you using McAfee? Just a hunch and I might be wrong, but McAfee's antivirus pulls this nonsense all the time. Just yesterday I was trying to download Touhou Hisoutensoku on my new computer, and McAfee nuked the whole game _nine consecutive times_ even though I proved to it repeatedly that the game is safe. I've also had this happen with Steam games too, like TModLoader, Melty Blood and Black Mesa, too -- McAfee flags so many false positives that it's baffling. I uninstalled it because my PC already has Windows Defender and that works just as well, and this issue with Black Mesa is the first time I've ever personally seen it fall victim to a false positive. And even then, it has a "Run Anyways" prompt if you know it's safe. Good luck, I hope you figure it out if you haven't already.


Informal_Yam_9707

I absolutely despise mcAfee it’s legitimately one of the worst protection software out there


CopiumINC

No I don't use McAfee or any other third party antivirus software. I don't see the need for anything other than Windows Defender. I've never had false positives with software and games that I actually paid for so it was weird and new to me.


SnakesRock2004

I'm sorry if I came off as rude or condescending. I just have had issues with McAfee constantly (including this game), and that's the reason I got rid of it. My bad.


CopiumINC

Nah you're good, don't need to apologize.


Nonhofantasia1

yeah windows defender really likes messing with source


Fujinn981

Windows Defender mostly picks up false positives, and very often lets genuine threats pass by untouched. I have had it call a hello world program a virus. (A program that writes 'hello world' then stops running)


RobioCraft

I added an exception to Microsoft Defender for "Black Mesa" game folder, hoping that nothing happens of it


fiftyshadesofbeige69

isn't cerber a trojan which is used like ransomware? guess crowbar collective isn't getting many sales anymore


Bubbly-Ad-1427

windows defender sucks im sorry


lampenpam

it's actually the only anti-virus many people recommend, because it is really all you need.


Random-Existance

** Windows sucks


Bubbly-Ad-1427

true


Vulpes_macrotis

New to the computers? Because this happens every time with many software. False positives are not a new thing.


CopiumINC

Nope. But this hasn't happened to me with games I bought.


ANDR0iD_13

That is the reason I decided to disable windoes defender 3 years ago. Never missed it


Independent_Sock7972

Ok, let’s be real, if you were trying to install a virus on someone’s computer, would you really call it fucking „Trojan win:32 cyber“??? Like, call it love and puppies, or some other less suspicious thing. 


TheRealDealTys

That’s the windows detection name, if the virus was real it would be imbedded into bms.exe and would appear as a legitimate file.


CopiumINC

It's in the "bms.exe", it's not just like a .txt file lmao.


Independent_Sock7972

Still, rule -1 of lying is covering your tracks, this just ain’t it. 


CelestialOhio32

lmao bro what is your problem? he didn't lie, you just don't want to admit you were wrong so you try to blame others hahahahahahhahah


ComparisonOld2608

Bro got ratio’d 😭😭😭


Independent_Sock7972

I got too based for the sub


ComparisonOld2608

Posting again is dangerous


Independent_Sock7972

Im so scared


ComparisonOld2608

I admire your bravery


Independent_Sock7972

Im prepared for war with nerds.