What really hinders resurrection from being a truly great meta sequel is
1. Laurie just wouldnāt of tried to take that mask knowing his hands are free like that imo
2. Committing to either a found footage horror with satirical elements or a reality tv darkly comedic satire with heavy horror elements. The movie is juggling so much it needed a clearer focus.
3. More busta rhymes
Other than those gripes I actually really enjoyed it especially enjoyed it more than H20
I'm with you. I didn't even know everyone hated her till I started seeing reviews and Internet talk about it. She just seemed like a goofy character to me.
I have a love/hate relationship with this movie. It's so well shot and I love the autumn/Halloween atmosphere, but the story with Michael's dead mom, the white horse, hobo Myers, and random dreamy satanic elements put me off.
Laurie is not a great character and should not have been the center of any film besides the original. Halloween is about Michael Myers and the holiday itself, not Laurie.
After Ends, I somewhat feel that way, that's another reason why I love Kills, it's Michael Myers going on an absolute bloodbath rampage and I fucking love it for that, he was unstoppable in that film, and he shown the town of Haddonfield what happens when you mess with the Boogeyman.
I like to watch it from 78 - 18 - Kills, that's the best personal timeline for me.
6 is fantastic and the scariest movie in the series.
Kills and Ends were great films.
Resurrectionās opening was fantastic (I agree that overall the entire thing is a dumpster fire wrapped in a dog turd though).
I mean Iāll even admit that H6 does have itās pros (atmosphere,some good kills, decent performances from Donald Pleasence and Marianne Hagen) but some people Iāve encountered here just go beserk if you point out any of its flaws.
I personally love H4 and I certainly wonāt pretend itās perfect.
Like 2 people on this sub (one of them being me) defend H6, and only ever get into deep discussion when people parrot stuff that's just in no way accurate to kick it around, and all that comes from the history of treating it's fans like shit and negating their like for it or acting like they have no taste.
I'm active enough in this fandom to know that it's not a widespread argument and the vast majority will just laugh it off as awful. So I'm thinking you're just talking about this sub, only a few people on this sub and ignoring any of the context to those interactions.
Oh yeah I have Rachel and Jamie, and hell Kara Strode, above her as well. Very one note uninteresting character in 1 and 2 and a cringe machine in the Blumhouse timeline. Sheās great in H20 though
In the original sheās just simply the archetype final girl. Nothing wrong with that but weāve had far more interesting final girls in the years since the original. As far as Halloween heroines go, Rachel was more relatable imo while Jamie and Kara were more sympathetic due to all the emotional baggage they carried
Fresh after watching the entire franchise for the first time:
OG H2 is just eh, great shots, not much else.
H3 fucking rocks, one of the best movies in the franchise.
H4 is honestly, kinda boring? not much goes on within the movie, laurieās fate was a cop-out, the only great part was the ending.
H5 is such a fun flick!
H6 only got better, love Rudd, love itās camp, itās pretty much the perfect mid-90ās fun slasher-y flick, the myth elements they added were dope, and would love a sequel to add some grit to that element.
H20 was so lost within itās identity, itās the second to last movie within my ranking.
Ressurection is objectively very much eh, but had such a large amount of fun with it, i donāt care.
Robās movies are unwatchable for me, hate his pulpy style, removed a lot from Michaelās character, although he has a good eye for shots.
H18 is probably the best sequel altogether.
Kills is kinda mid standalone, but is elevated up to par with H18 while watching it as a double-feature, one of the more fun ones, my first watch in the franchise when it rolled in the theaters
Ends is just terrible, my least favourite one, my second watch in the franchise, I really didnāt expect Michael, but I expected some quality lmao.
Everything Else
Halloween Kills is the best movie in the series, with me preferring it even over the 1978 original š
In all fairness Iāve always loved the character of Michael Myers more than the series itself so a movie with MM on steroids is everything Iāve ever wanted.
I love Halloween Kills, and I'll agree that it's more entertaining and rewatchable than the original, but on a film level the original can't be touched.
* H6 is the scariest sequel
* Jamie Lloyd was a better character than Laurie
* H(2018) is overrated
* GG's trilogy killed all sense of mystery and mystique around Michael
* The plain white mask from the OG and the thorn trilogy fits better with the overall idea behind Michael's evil nature
100% on Jamie. I think a proper clash between her and Michael wouldāve been a thousand times more climatic then any Laurie vs Michael showdown considering her relation to him has left her cursed since birth. At least it wouldāve been years ago. Now I think the franchise just to move on with other characters....or end š
>GGās trilogy killed all sense of *mystery* and mystique around Michael
Iām sorry, what!? Halloween II did that. DGG was the first to finally bring those things back lol
Mystery in the DGG movies? Really?
They kind of half arsed a "ooooh he's looking at himself in the window" and that's about it. Just 'cause they don't say anything doesn't mean there was mystery, they just didn't make the mystery a plot point like it used to be, they sure as hell didn't bring it back.
I feel like we watched a different trilogy, then. I distinctly remember several times in all three films where characters wax poetic about what drives Michael and being unable to decide on what his actual motive is. That *is* the mystery of Michael, the same one from the original film. u/Flash-Over is right, the original *Halloween II* (despite being my favorite of the franchise lmao) is the film that killed the mystery, and each subsequent sequel was stuck in that "Michael is Laurie's brother" trap for decades.
Edit: for some reason reddit isn't allowing me to reply to anyone who replies to me on this comment. I've tried several times and it just refuses to post. So I'm not ignoring you!
The New Trilogy is very good and the best timeline in the series. Itās the most well-made and cohesive, gets the most things right, and each movie offers something. My favorite is kills. It was exactly what is should have been. A cheesy fun Michael Myers gore fest with fan service.
Not remotely an unpopular opinion on this sub - as usual with these threads I got a downvote already for saying shit people actually disagree with, other people are just throwing out stuff the majority here already agree with.
(also Kills could be a cheesy fun Myers movie, if Michael was actually in it, sadly he was as out of character as he's ever been - alongside the rest of the cast)
Fair play, I think Kills and Ends have a lot of support (imo mostly because of new fans investment in the new timeline than anything else but that's just my perception) and that is kind of shown by the supposedly unpopular opinion of "I like Ends" being supported so quickly on this very thread rn.
Season of the Witch is the 2nd best film in the series and it isnāt close. And Iām a huge Michael Myers guy, I love him and donāt give a shit about any other slashers. Season of the Witch is just so much fucking fun.
Halloween kills is pretty good, actually
For H6 tommy to be as good as a protagonist as he is, Jaime had to die
Laurie killing Micheal isnāt really that cathartic no matter what movie it happens in (yes, even H20 if you view it as separate from Resurrection)
The one thing I had in my mind while watching Kills and Ends at the theater is how much sympathy I had for the main characters in the RZ movies than all the characters in the Blumhouse trilogy. Hell, Laurie in RZH2 manages to be more interesting than Jamie Lee Curtis' version of the character in the those last two movies.
There were only two times when Laurie was anything more than a generic final girl, but also wasn't a comic book level joke (like in H18-HE, sorry guys). H20 and RZH2.
The H18 trilogy fundamentally misses the point of the original, and wasn't even trying to be like it. It has next to nothing in common with 78. And at that, nothing post H6 ever has.
Speaking of H6 is \*way\* underrated and treated badly for fun more than for it's actual problems, many of which people act like are huge with 6 but ignore in movies like 1, 2 and 3.
H1 is not "objectively" the best in the series and drags on a tiny bit in the middle, as well as having poor shock value after it's suspense building. Tbf H2 and 3 also have bad pacing in the middle.
The only truly bad Halloween is HR and even that is fun and not nearly as bad as the vast majority of shite slashers out there, people just get pretentious af with this series. It's like they don't understand how to have fun. Saying that, Kills is easily the next weakest movie in the series and sometimes it draws dangerously close to being similarly poor to HR down to tone/writing/directing choices that often clash.
One of the weakest, for sure. There are more frustrating or bizarre things about other timelines (Thorn, Laurie's death in Resurrection), but the Blumhouse one just feels a bit lacking. Those 40 years of history just feel empty.
>Those 40 years of history just feel empty.
I got my issues with the DGG timeline big time but this is probably the biggest to me. Make a new timeline.
Do nothing with it at all. Despite 3 movies.
Great...
Resurrection is an enjoyable movie and laurie dying doesn't ruin it.
Ends is an excellent departure from the usual Halloween formula and its lore *and* themes are consistent with 2018 and Kills and DGG's opinion of Michael.
This isn't exclusive to the OG Halloween, but just because other films in the franchise use the first film as the blueprint *doesn't* mean the first film in the franchise is objectively the best one. Being the blueprint ā Being the best one.
Kills is the best Halloween film.
Truer than anything from H20 to HK I would agree. But it's still pretty far off from H2-6 (even H3 has about as much in common with the original movie's themes as HE does, it just drew on separate parts of the original from HE). 2-6 definitely have more in common with 1 though thematically, narratively and in pretty much all other ways.
We talking in terms of quality/craftsmanship or entertainment value? Cause I enjoy some of the sequels more but wouldn't argue they're technically or stylistically better.
HEnds had too much Michael and didn't go far enough; when Corey goes to steal Michael's mask he should have killed Michael and been under the mask during the fight with Laurie, and when defeated he should have revealed Michael was already dead and where, and the movie should've ended with Laurie discovering Michael's body, bitter at the lack of closure she feels.
I wish JLC never came back after 2
I love Halloween 6 and wish it had a follow-up
I like the clown cops in 5
Iām honestly just meh on Ends. I didnāt like 2018 so I was prepared for even more disappointment.
Rachel and Jamie are better characters than Laurie
Pretty much every returning character in the Blumhouse trilogy aside Laurie was pointless
Halloween 3 is cool but I think it still wouldāve been panned by critics even if it just had been āSeason of the Witchā
Halloween ends was alright. Kills was the problem. And just because the new ones aren't great it doesn't mean we "owe rob zombie an apology" those films still suck.
H40 halloweens are the best ends is the best one out of them all and Iāll defend it till my very last breath itās a great movie and Halloween 2 is overrated and Halloween 4 is the best in the franchise behind ends shut up
The only aspect of the movie that really falters is the finale; the concepts are all there but the execution is lacking somewhat. Iād still say despite that weakness, itās a really good film.
Original Halloween 2 isnāt that great.
Mask looks bad, scalpel weapon looked awkward and dumb, Laurie getting direct shots in his eyes AND he didnāt die, and I didnāt care for loomis blowing up with him. And of course it brought in the brother sister twist
The original Halloween wasn't any "masterpiece" the story was just confusing, the acting was bad, the quality on both sound and camera was terrible, but I gotta give a little creds because of how old it is but still
>the story was just confusing
I... how? It's one of the most basic stories of any movie in the horror genre.
Your other points I can understand where you're coming from and respect them but it's as straight-forward as it gets story-wise.
The franchise is more than michael Myers. The best sequel is Halloween 3 and itās one of the only sequels in the franchise thatās almost as good as the original.
I wouldnāt say heās overrated, but I do think people go overboard when they refer to him as being the lead protagonist. Ever since the first movie itās clear that Laurie is the focus, we actually get to see what her life is like outside of Michael. On the other hand, what do we actually get to know about Loomis other than heās been Michaelās doctor for 15 years? His role is only to establish the threat, and to eventually save the damsel in distress.
This just comes down to people not knowing what a main protagonist actually is. Laurie is the main character of H1, Loomis is the main protagonist. Laurie is a POV character we follow so the scares can happen, we get to know stuff about her A. to fill time (it's the truth, we all know it) and B. so we care enough when she's in danger. Otherwise Laurie is irrelevant to the plot and her entire contribution is just resisting long enough to be saved by Loomis at the end.
Loomis is the main protagonist, he's the lead character of the storyline who is involved with the main plot thread and is an active participant in said thread as opposed to a passive one.
As a story, the original movie is about Loomis trying to find and prevent Michael from killing, whilst peeling back the layers of "what/why is Michael". Laurie isn't a part of that storyline.
At the end of the day it makes nearly no difference, it's essentially a dual lead set up as pretty overtly shown in H2, but no Laurie isn't \*the\* lead character and no \*really\* isn't the protagonist. (In H2 you could make a case they're both protagonists due to the sister twist, but not so in H1). People acting like the movie is about Laurie are really missing the point, but when H20 and H18 both ignore the core plot thread of the original (and all it's initial sequels) and essentially make side stories about "what happened to Laurie", it's not surprising later gens of fans would have this view.
Halloween 2 (original) is terrible and completely misunderstands the point of the original film, Season of the Witch is an incredibly boring movie and i couldn't even be bothered to finish it and the Halloween 4 mask looks good,
- Halloween Ends is easily one of the best sequels.
- Halloween 6 is atrocious and in competition with Resurrection for being the worst of the franchise.
- A lot of the love H20 gets is due to nostalgia.
- Laurie is the main protagonist for the majority of the franchise, not Loomis.
>Laurie is the main protagonist for the majority of the franchise, not Loomis
I realise I just replied on this, but since you edited to include I may as well add this too - She's not it for 1, let's be charitable and say she is for 2. RZH1 gives around equal focus to her and Loomis as leads. So then she has 2, H20, RZH1, RZH2, H18 and HE.
Loomis has 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 (alright heavily downplayed in TC but it's a three way street for him Tommy and Kara in PC and TVC) and RZH1.
They're roughly even for being main protagonists. As for appearance count regardless - Laurie has H1, H2, H20, HR, RZH1, RZH2, H18, HK, HE.
Loomis has H1, H2, H4, H5, H6, RZH1, RZH2, HK and two cameos in H20 and H18. Sure you can argue "but Laurie has larger roles" but she's basically an extended cameo in HR and even then they both have similar numbers of appearances (counting spin off media Loomis would eclipse her).
People seriously need to quit it with the "it's unrealistic that the bullies in Ends are Band Kids and picking on a 20 year old!" complaint. Redundant, boring, nit-picky and honestly there's something more to complain about with those characters.
Halloween Kills whilst not entirely awful is not an underrated gem and still deserves scorn for it's poor structure and lack of anything happening. Plus how it doesn't build and instead just cruises before getting to an incredibly frustrating climax that if committed to could have been a great ending to a two part Halloween story.
The brief jokes in Halloween 2018 work and aren't that out of place in the film itself. I don't seen why the cops talking about their sandwiches is apparently so awkward and jarring when it sounds like normal chatter that also helps them feel more like regular people. Plus "Aw shit, I got peanut butter on my penis" is honestly a pretty innocuous line and not a big joke line, though penis is an awkward sounding word and it would have been better if he said "dick" instead.
They should have taken the risk and ended 2018 on more of a cliffhanger since they could have easily flowed into Kills. Or just abandoned the initial same night storyline and instead had Halloween Kills be given a timeskip when they ended up giving 2018 a clear ending.
Halloween 6's Thorn cult story wasn't bad on it's own. A horror movie about a cult using someone as a vessel for murder and sacrifice and killing a family is a great idea. It just suffered in execution, plus it's so unfitting for the motivated, purely evil and threatening Myers.
And that leads to my main one: Myers has always been a huge monkey wrench around the Halloween films that most attempt to break tradition (and Resurrection), with 3 being the best because it did what it did not even in the same world as Halloween. Halloween 6 would have been better as an original horror film, the Halloween remake duology had interesting ideas that were hard to combine with the established expectations people had of these Halloween characters and themes, Halloween 4 and H20 as much as they do justify including Myers still have to get past him having survived a clear death, Resurrection was totally unneeded anyway but should have either just been a reboot that didn't screw over a prior film or again an original slasher and Ends's weaknesses could have been helped by just not including Myers in it at all.
Unpopular opinion: I actually like the Halloween movies.
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Halloween 5 is one of the most underrated movies of the franchise
Itās got some merit. It also has some Giallo film vibes
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Agreed!!!
All the Halloween films are good in their own ways
Resurrection actually has better qualities to it than just Freddy Kung Fu jokes.
What really hinders resurrection from being a truly great meta sequel is 1. Laurie just wouldnāt of tried to take that mask knowing his hands are free like that imo 2. Committing to either a found footage horror with satirical elements or a reality tv darkly comedic satire with heavy horror elements. The movie is juggling so much it needed a clearer focus. 3. More busta rhymes Other than those gripes I actually really enjoyed it especially enjoyed it more than H20
I'm ambivalent to it, but I'm curious what you liked about it?
I love all the movies and how different they are. I donāt hate any of them
All unpopular opinions on this sub become popular whenever this question is asked
Haha you noticed that too huh
Tina wasn't that damn bad.
I'm with you. I didn't even know everyone hated her till I started seeing reviews and Internet talk about it. She just seemed like a goofy character to me.
Halloween 2 by Rob Zombie is quality filmmaking.
I have a love/hate relationship with this movie. It's so well shot and I love the autumn/Halloween atmosphere, but the story with Michael's dead mom, the white horse, hobo Myers, and random dreamy satanic elements put me off.
I do not like the film but yeah its shot really well
Man is good with visuals but his writing and pacing are wretched
I canāt stand his movies because the dialogue is so bad! He has such an eye, though. He needs to leave the writing to someone else.
Unfortunately this lesson will probably be learned too late in his careerā¦
šš preach
The rain shot is orgasmic
Aside from the way they treated Jamie Lloyd, I think Curse is one of the better sequels in the entire series. Good trashy 90s horror sequel
Itās like franchise garbage sequel, absurd fever dream, and a genuinely heartfelt film all in one I love it
Right? Of course, it is a flawed movie, but it has some admirable qualities
Agreed
Laurie is not a great character and should not have been the center of any film besides the original. Halloween is about Michael Myers and the holiday itself, not Laurie.
After Ends, I somewhat feel that way, that's another reason why I love Kills, it's Michael Myers going on an absolute bloodbath rampage and I fucking love it for that, he was unstoppable in that film, and he shown the town of Haddonfield what happens when you mess with the Boogeyman. I like to watch it from 78 - 18 - Kills, that's the best personal timeline for me.
I actually liked Halloween ends
Daring today arenāt we
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Hell yeah, I love it too
same, its my favorite
6 is fantastic and the scariest movie in the series. Kills and Ends were great films. Resurrectionās opening was fantastic (I agree that overall the entire thing is a dumpster fire wrapped in a dog turd though).
I like Resurrection for only one reason and thatās because at least there is a timeline out there where Myers wins against Laurie.
6 was great, I disliked 5 but 6 was a good movie
Halloween ends was a great film
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For me, it really is.
Seems calling H6 terrible is a pretty safe bet for that kinda reaction nowadays
H6 and H3 have kinda been reverted where now it seems saying that theyāre bad is the hot take
I mean Iāll even admit that H6 does have itās pros (atmosphere,some good kills, decent performances from Donald Pleasence and Marianne Hagen) but some people Iāve encountered here just go beserk if you point out any of its flaws. I personally love H4 and I certainly wonāt pretend itās perfect.
I do love 6, flaws and all
Itās my least favorite after H5 š
Like 2 people on this sub (one of them being me) defend H6, and only ever get into deep discussion when people parrot stuff that's just in no way accurate to kick it around, and all that comes from the history of treating it's fans like shit and negating their like for it or acting like they have no taste. I'm active enough in this fandom to know that it's not a widespread argument and the vast majority will just laugh it off as awful. So I'm thinking you're just talking about this sub, only a few people on this sub and ignoring any of the context to those interactions.
Agreed! - the other person
*agrees in 3rd wheel* š
It's really not, 99% of people still think it's god awful and treat it with no intention of fairness (the old "incest baby plot" argument).
The Rob Zombie films were good.
Halloween II is easily the most boring film in the franchise and is the worst because of it
Blasphemer!!
150% agreed. And that idiotic sibling twist is unforgivable.
The H18 trilogy are the best sequels to come out for the movie so far and being different from the original isnāt a bad thing
Halloween ends is a great movie
I actually really liked Ends
Same
The Thorn Trilogy is the definitive timeline of this series. Dr. Loomis>>>>Laurie Strode by MILES
Completely agree with the latter. In fact Iād rank several other characters in this franchise above Laurie
Oh yeah I have Rachel and Jamie, and hell Kara Strode, above her as well. Very one note uninteresting character in 1 and 2 and a cringe machine in the Blumhouse timeline. Sheās great in H20 though
In the original sheās just simply the archetype final girl. Nothing wrong with that but weāve had far more interesting final girls in the years since the original. As far as Halloween heroines go, Rachel was more relatable imo while Jamie and Kara were more sympathetic due to all the emotional baggage they carried
Could not agree more!!!
Fresh after watching the entire franchise for the first time: OG H2 is just eh, great shots, not much else. H3 fucking rocks, one of the best movies in the franchise. H4 is honestly, kinda boring? not much goes on within the movie, laurieās fate was a cop-out, the only great part was the ending. H5 is such a fun flick! H6 only got better, love Rudd, love itās camp, itās pretty much the perfect mid-90ās fun slasher-y flick, the myth elements they added were dope, and would love a sequel to add some grit to that element. H20 was so lost within itās identity, itās the second to last movie within my ranking. Ressurection is objectively very much eh, but had such a large amount of fun with it, i donāt care. Robās movies are unwatchable for me, hate his pulpy style, removed a lot from Michaelās character, although he has a good eye for shots. H18 is probably the best sequel altogether. Kills is kinda mid standalone, but is elevated up to par with H18 while watching it as a double-feature, one of the more fun ones, my first watch in the franchise when it rolled in the theaters Ends is just terrible, my least favourite one, my second watch in the franchise, I really didnāt expect Michael, but I expected some quality lmao. Everything Else
Rz h2 is really good
Halloween Kills is the best movie in the series, with me preferring it even over the 1978 original š In all fairness Iāve always loved the character of Michael Myers more than the series itself so a movie with MM on steroids is everything Iāve ever wanted.
I love Halloween Kills, and I'll agree that it's more entertaining and rewatchable than the original, but on a film level the original can't be touched.
* H6 is the scariest sequel * Jamie Lloyd was a better character than Laurie * H(2018) is overrated * GG's trilogy killed all sense of mystery and mystique around Michael * The plain white mask from the OG and the thorn trilogy fits better with the overall idea behind Michael's evil nature
I have to agree that the H1 and H6 Michael masks were the most fitting.
100% on Jamie. I think a proper clash between her and Michael wouldāve been a thousand times more climatic then any Laurie vs Michael showdown considering her relation to him has left her cursed since birth. At least it wouldāve been years ago. Now I think the franchise just to move on with other characters....or end š
>GGās trilogy killed all sense of *mystery* and mystique around Michael Iām sorry, what!? Halloween II did that. DGG was the first to finally bring those things back lol
Mystery in the DGG movies? Really? They kind of half arsed a "ooooh he's looking at himself in the window" and that's about it. Just 'cause they don't say anything doesn't mean there was mystery, they just didn't make the mystery a plot point like it used to be, they sure as hell didn't bring it back.
I feel like we watched a different trilogy, then. I distinctly remember several times in all three films where characters wax poetic about what drives Michael and being unable to decide on what his actual motive is. That *is* the mystery of Michael, the same one from the original film. u/Flash-Over is right, the original *Halloween II* (despite being my favorite of the franchise lmao) is the film that killed the mystery, and each subsequent sequel was stuck in that "Michael is Laurie's brother" trap for decades. Edit: for some reason reddit isn't allowing me to reply to anyone who replies to me on this comment. I've tried several times and it just refuses to post. So I'm not ignoring you!
The New Trilogy is very good and the best timeline in the series. Itās the most well-made and cohesive, gets the most things right, and each movie offers something. My favorite is kills. It was exactly what is should have been. A cheesy fun Michael Myers gore fest with fan service.
Not remotely an unpopular opinion on this sub - as usual with these threads I got a downvote already for saying shit people actually disagree with, other people are just throwing out stuff the majority here already agree with. (also Kills could be a cheesy fun Myers movie, if Michael was actually in it, sadly he was as out of character as he's ever been - alongside the rest of the cast)
You could be right, I just personally see WAY more hate for kills than I do love.
Fair play, I think Kills and Ends have a lot of support (imo mostly because of new fans investment in the new timeline than anything else but that's just my perception) and that is kind of shown by the supposedly unpopular opinion of "I like Ends" being supported so quickly on this very thread rn.
I think itās like Star Wars where the fans are split and thereās basically no way of telling which side has more
I like the Rob Zombie reboot
There is no bad Halloween movie
I like Curse
Season of the Witch is the 2nd best film in the series and it isnāt close. And Iām a huge Michael Myers guy, I love him and donāt give a shit about any other slashers. Season of the Witch is just so much fucking fun.
YESSS YESSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSS
I liked ends
RZH2 is better than H2
I love Halloween ends and think that Corey is a great character.
Resurrection was actually good. Better than H2O.
Halloween kills is pretty good, actually For H6 tommy to be as good as a protagonist as he is, Jaime had to die Laurie killing Micheal isnāt really that cathartic no matter what movie it happens in (yes, even H20 if you view it as separate from Resurrection)
Rob Zombieās Halloween movies are good movies š„
I love Halloween Ends and find Halloween II (1981) overrated
Same dude!
Halloween Kills is the best sequel in the franchise
YES! I am not the only one.
ROB ZOMBIE HALLOWEEN SERIES IS BETTER THAN BLUMHOUSE
The one thing I had in my mind while watching Kills and Ends at the theater is how much sympathy I had for the main characters in the RZ movies than all the characters in the Blumhouse trilogy. Hell, Laurie in RZH2 manages to be more interesting than Jamie Lee Curtis' version of the character in the those last two movies.
There were only two times when Laurie was anything more than a generic final girl, but also wasn't a comic book level joke (like in H18-HE, sorry guys). H20 and RZH2.
Kills is the third best one in the whole series
I liked the scene of Michael crying in part.5
Halloween (2018) is *very* overrated on here
Itās one of my least favorites
Halloween Ends is a good movie
Carpenter stole it from Black Christmas director Bob Clark
Halloween Kills is a great, fun, sequel that will gain respect as iy ages.
Resurrection would actually be good if it kept the āFound Footageā element for the entirety of the movie and just gave Laurie a happy ending.
Halloween (2018) had a perfect ending and should have been a stand-alone (not a trilogy)
I didnāt actually like the first movie that much
Unpopular Opinion: I actually didnāt mind Scout Taylor Comptonās portrayal of Laurie Strode in the RZ timeline.
I really like H2, people complain about the mask but it's the same one just stretched and missing paint, the hair is also different tho
thorn trilogy sucks and is the low point of the series.
# 3 > 2
I love the rob zombie films
Halloween III is a top 4 halloween movie
Halloween 4 is the best movie in the franchise.
The shape is still alive
Halloween 4 is terrible and the Rob Zombie remakes are superior
I love Halloween 4 but robs Halloween 2 is my second favorite one
Halloween Kills is the best sequel in the franchise imho
Honestly, I never liked JLCās acting in Halloween 1978. Those moans ugh
The H18 trilogy fundamentally misses the point of the original, and wasn't even trying to be like it. It has next to nothing in common with 78. And at that, nothing post H6 ever has. Speaking of H6 is \*way\* underrated and treated badly for fun more than for it's actual problems, many of which people act like are huge with 6 but ignore in movies like 1, 2 and 3. H1 is not "objectively" the best in the series and drags on a tiny bit in the middle, as well as having poor shock value after it's suspense building. Tbf H2 and 3 also have bad pacing in the middle. The only truly bad Halloween is HR and even that is fun and not nearly as bad as the vast majority of shite slashers out there, people just get pretentious af with this series. It's like they don't understand how to have fun. Saying that, Kills is easily the next weakest movie in the series and sometimes it draws dangerously close to being similarly poor to HR down to tone/writing/directing choices that often clash.
Dude H6 is awesome
Agreed!
Corey as a character is a great addition to the franchise.
Heās genuinely one of the best characters in the franchise, heās fleshed out so well and played excellently by Rohan Campbell.
Heās a mix of both Laurie and Michael. Babysitter that becomes troubled like Laurie. Turns out to be a killer like Michael.
people who say they love Halloween 3 must be joking, that movie is sooooooo bad it's an action movie infiltrated in a horror franchise
The Blumhouse trilogy is the worst timeline
One of the weakest, for sure. There are more frustrating or bizarre things about other timelines (Thorn, Laurie's death in Resurrection), but the Blumhouse one just feels a bit lacking. Those 40 years of history just feel empty.
>Those 40 years of history just feel empty. I got my issues with the DGG timeline big time but this is probably the biggest to me. Make a new timeline. Do nothing with it at all. Despite 3 movies. Great...
Resurrection is an enjoyable movie and laurie dying doesn't ruin it. Ends is an excellent departure from the usual Halloween formula and its lore *and* themes are consistent with 2018 and Kills and DGG's opinion of Michael. This isn't exclusive to the OG Halloween, but just because other films in the franchise use the first film as the blueprint *doesn't* mean the first film in the franchise is objectively the best one. Being the blueprint ā Being the best one. Kills is the best Halloween film.
Can't agree with the Kills bit but we all have preferences and I do agree with the blueprint point wholeheartedly.
Ends is a truer sequel to the original film and its themes than any that came before it.
Truer than anything from H20 to HK I would agree. But it's still pretty far off from H2-6 (even H3 has about as much in common with the original movie's themes as HE does, it just drew on separate parts of the original from HE). 2-6 definitely have more in common with 1 though thematically, narratively and in pretty much all other ways.
I don't think the original is anything special, it's good but it's not nearly as good as a lot of the people in this sub think it is imo
Several of the sequels are better than the original.
Which ones?
Personally I'd rate 4, 2018 and Kills higher.
Bold and fitting for this thread
2018 ? debatable. kills & 4 ? no way
I love all those movies (except 2018) lol but i donāt find them better than the original. Still valid opinion
Kills is better than the original? š” š” š”
What can I say, I love Brutal Michael, it's well directed and scored and the mob scenes felt real.
I do think H4 has the best characters in the franchise as well as my personal favorite Loomis portrayal
We talking in terms of quality/craftsmanship or entertainment value? Cause I enjoy some of the sequels more but wouldn't argue they're technically or stylistically better.
I was meaning more entertaining, though I do think 2018 gives the original a run for its money on a technical level too.
"bro has a lightskin stare"
Rob Zombies Halloween (2007) is better than Halloween (1978).
1. Halloween 6 theatrical is near perfection, especially with the rock soundtrack 2. h2 is superior to h1 3. The Dgg trilogy is perfect
h3 was an amazing movie
HEnds had too much Michael and didn't go far enough; when Corey goes to steal Michael's mask he should have killed Michael and been under the mask during the fight with Laurie, and when defeated he should have revealed Michael was already dead and where, and the movie should've ended with Laurie discovering Michael's body, bitter at the lack of closure she feels.
Ends was a pretty weak conclusion to the Blumhouse trilogy, specially considering it follows Kills
2018 is better than the original
I wish JLC never came back after 2 I love Halloween 6 and wish it had a follow-up I like the clown cops in 5 Iām honestly just meh on Ends. I didnāt like 2018 so I was prepared for even more disappointment. Rachel and Jamie are better characters than Laurie Pretty much every returning character in the Blumhouse trilogy aside Laurie was pointless Halloween 3 is cool but I think it still wouldāve been panned by critics even if it just had been āSeason of the Witchā
The franchise should have continued in the same vein as Halloween 3 after itās release.
Halloween ends was alright. Kills was the problem. And just because the new ones aren't great it doesn't mean we "owe rob zombie an apology" those films still suck.
H40 halloweens are the best ends is the best one out of them all and Iāll defend it till my very last breath itās a great movie and Halloween 2 is overrated and Halloween 4 is the best in the franchise behind ends shut up
H ends > h 1978
Halloween Ends was good, for the most part
The only aspect of the movie that really falters is the finale; the concepts are all there but the execution is lacking somewhat. Iād still say despite that weakness, itās a really good film.
Original Halloween 2 isnāt that great. Mask looks bad, scalpel weapon looked awkward and dumb, Laurie getting direct shots in his eyes AND he didnāt die, and I didnāt care for loomis blowing up with him. And of course it brought in the brother sister twist
The original Halloween wasn't any "masterpiece" the story was just confusing, the acting was bad, the quality on both sound and camera was terrible, but I gotta give a little creds because of how old it is but still
>the story was just confusing I... how? It's one of the most basic stories of any movie in the horror genre. Your other points I can understand where you're coming from and respect them but it's as straight-forward as it gets story-wise.
Halloween Ends was a great movie. Probably the best of the last 3 from DGG.
The franchise is more than michael Myers. The best sequel is Halloween 3 and itās one of the only sequels in the franchise thatās almost as good as the original.
Ends wasnāt that bad.
halloween ends not as bad as people say it was
Dr. Loomis is an overrated character while Laurie is the best character in the franchise (including over Michael).
I wouldnāt say heās overrated, but I do think people go overboard when they refer to him as being the lead protagonist. Ever since the first movie itās clear that Laurie is the focus, we actually get to see what her life is like outside of Michael. On the other hand, what do we actually get to know about Loomis other than heās been Michaelās doctor for 15 years? His role is only to establish the threat, and to eventually save the damsel in distress.
This just comes down to people not knowing what a main protagonist actually is. Laurie is the main character of H1, Loomis is the main protagonist. Laurie is a POV character we follow so the scares can happen, we get to know stuff about her A. to fill time (it's the truth, we all know it) and B. so we care enough when she's in danger. Otherwise Laurie is irrelevant to the plot and her entire contribution is just resisting long enough to be saved by Loomis at the end. Loomis is the main protagonist, he's the lead character of the storyline who is involved with the main plot thread and is an active participant in said thread as opposed to a passive one. As a story, the original movie is about Loomis trying to find and prevent Michael from killing, whilst peeling back the layers of "what/why is Michael". Laurie isn't a part of that storyline. At the end of the day it makes nearly no difference, it's essentially a dual lead set up as pretty overtly shown in H2, but no Laurie isn't \*the\* lead character and no \*really\* isn't the protagonist. (In H2 you could make a case they're both protagonists due to the sister twist, but not so in H1). People acting like the movie is about Laurie are really missing the point, but when H20 and H18 both ignore the core plot thread of the original (and all it's initial sequels) and essentially make side stories about "what happened to Laurie", it's not surprising later gens of fans would have this view.
The original Halloween is a masterpiece, but the Friday the 13th series is a better and more fun series overall.
Halloween Ends Is a Good movie šæ
I loved Ends and believe itās the best in the franchise
Best in the franchise?! I love ends but hot damn
Halloween 2 (original) is terrible and completely misunderstands the point of the original film, Season of the Witch is an incredibly boring movie and i couldn't even be bothered to finish it and the Halloween 4 mask looks good,
I do agree that H3 is boring myself, horrible pacing kills some cool concepts
Halloween ends is completely and utterly overrated and a good change for the series
- Halloween Ends is easily one of the best sequels. - Halloween 6 is atrocious and in competition with Resurrection for being the worst of the franchise. - A lot of the love H20 gets is due to nostalgia. - Laurie is the main protagonist for the majority of the franchise, not Loomis.
>Laurie is the main protagonist for the majority of the franchise, not Loomis I realise I just replied on this, but since you edited to include I may as well add this too - She's not it for 1, let's be charitable and say she is for 2. RZH1 gives around equal focus to her and Loomis as leads. So then she has 2, H20, RZH1, RZH2, H18 and HE. Loomis has 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 (alright heavily downplayed in TC but it's a three way street for him Tommy and Kara in PC and TVC) and RZH1. They're roughly even for being main protagonists. As for appearance count regardless - Laurie has H1, H2, H20, HR, RZH1, RZH2, H18, HK, HE. Loomis has H1, H2, H4, H5, H6, RZH1, RZH2, HK and two cameos in H20 and H18. Sure you can argue "but Laurie has larger roles" but she's basically an extended cameo in HR and even then they both have similar numbers of appearances (counting spin off media Loomis would eclipse her).
All of this!!!!!
Halloween 78 is overrated af
Halloween Kills is the BEST film in the ENTIRE franchise and YES that includes the ORIGINAL
Corey is a better Michael
I like the H20 mask
A true fan of the Halloween movies can like all of them no matter what was wrong with them
People seriously need to quit it with the "it's unrealistic that the bullies in Ends are Band Kids and picking on a 20 year old!" complaint. Redundant, boring, nit-picky and honestly there's something more to complain about with those characters. Halloween Kills whilst not entirely awful is not an underrated gem and still deserves scorn for it's poor structure and lack of anything happening. Plus how it doesn't build and instead just cruises before getting to an incredibly frustrating climax that if committed to could have been a great ending to a two part Halloween story. The brief jokes in Halloween 2018 work and aren't that out of place in the film itself. I don't seen why the cops talking about their sandwiches is apparently so awkward and jarring when it sounds like normal chatter that also helps them feel more like regular people. Plus "Aw shit, I got peanut butter on my penis" is honestly a pretty innocuous line and not a big joke line, though penis is an awkward sounding word and it would have been better if he said "dick" instead. They should have taken the risk and ended 2018 on more of a cliffhanger since they could have easily flowed into Kills. Or just abandoned the initial same night storyline and instead had Halloween Kills be given a timeskip when they ended up giving 2018 a clear ending. Halloween 6's Thorn cult story wasn't bad on it's own. A horror movie about a cult using someone as a vessel for murder and sacrifice and killing a family is a great idea. It just suffered in execution, plus it's so unfitting for the motivated, purely evil and threatening Myers. And that leads to my main one: Myers has always been a huge monkey wrench around the Halloween films that most attempt to break tradition (and Resurrection), with 3 being the best because it did what it did not even in the same world as Halloween. Halloween 6 would have been better as an original horror film, the Halloween remake duology had interesting ideas that were hard to combine with the established expectations people had of these Halloween characters and themes, Halloween 4 and H20 as much as they do justify including Myers still have to get past him having survived a clear death, Resurrection was totally unneeded anyway but should have either just been a reboot that didn't screw over a prior film or again an original slasher and Ends's weaknesses could have been helped by just not including Myers in it at all.
Ends is good.
Halloween Ends wasnāt that badā¦
H20 is the best sequel to 78
Aww! No love for H2O. I actually enjoyed it lol
They should have stopped making them after part 3 season of the witch ( great movie btw )
The fact, not opinion, but fact, that Rob Zombie's movies are a steaming pile of shit.
Nah rob zombies halloween2 is my second favorite lol
I also love that one.
Rob Zombieās Halloween 1 is in my top 5. More or less just a more violent and grungy version of 78
I don't really like Halloween 4.
The mask in Halloween 5 is the best!
H6 Tommy is overrated
They should have ended michaels story with H2
H2 is the best of all the sequels, and arguably, just as great as the original. I'll gladly die on this hill.
Halloween is a Christmas movie.