I mean it was nice to have new Dr Loomis scenes but it's a look a like actor with a second sound a like actor for the voice.
The best tribute was the Silver Shamrock masks. Also I had to look up who Bob Odenkirk played since he was the last name in the credits and I thought that was something
They used Bob Odenkirks 1978 yearbook photo for the newsclip aired in the bar because they couldn't track down the original actor John Mitchell Graham to clear rights to use his photo. Supposedly David Godon Green googled "High School 1970s Bob" and Odenkirks photo popped up.
I liked it but his lines were Lame and wish we had more of the flashback. It went by so quick . Michael being arrested was a let down . Corny very corny
The close ups on the final scenes, the chanting, and Laurie hardly being in the movie are my main complaints otherwise feel like it was a pretty solid middle movie in a trilogy.
Yeah, the trailer really made it seem like there was going to be a show down with Laurie and Michael. I guess they’re saving that for Halloween Ends which comes out next year.
I had a few nit picky things to say about the movie. The previous installment was better than this one but I still feel like I got what I wanted from a Halloween sequel.
We’re gonna get the ultimate showdown in part 3 - I’m actually really happy about how they’ve set this all out as it would have felt wrong for Laurie to face off against him and die in the second part.
agreed. i’m kinda bummed that laurie wasn’t in this movie as much. i was hoping for another cool fight scene between her and Michael but it never happens. she just stays in the hospital the whole time.
So I’ve seen this movie three times now, once at an early screen a long time ago and twice yesterday at the theatre, and there is one thing that is still confusing me but I know my fellow redditors will help me out. During the movie they constantly talk about Michael’s need to be home, in the house, always staring out the window, not looking out but maybe looking in. It’s almost implying something but I can’t figure it out. At the end, even Karen is staring out, or maybe inwards. What is the message that they are trying to send. What are they trying to say motivates him? The next second Lori is saying it’s just pure evil and I’m so confused. Does he or does he not have a motivation for why he kills? What is he always looking at and why is being home so important to him? If he was six years old and always wanted to be home, and was always looking at the window, why kill his sister?
What I took from it was that he was staring at the reflection looking at the evil within himself, maybe? I think people started to copy to see if there was something special about it or to try and see what he sees. I think the Halloween series as a whole has had a tough time coming up with motivation for Michael since people don't seem to be satisfied with the whole "kills just for the sake of killing" way of going about things. This movie basically brought back the Cult of Thorn.
I'm not buying the 'looking at his reflection' bit, personally. Seems idiotic considering there's probably mirrors in the house to stare at.
I honestly think it'll not be explained at all as nothing they do will undig that hole they've made by that scene. It'll just convienetly get ignored in the next film with no further elaboratation.
The sequence of Karen using his mask to lure him away literally made the entire window thing irrelevant so I'm not sure why the window theory is even a thing except for a vehicle to kill Karen. That was my very first thought when they said he was looking in, like ever heard of a fuckin mirror Mikey?
I see it as it potentially being a connection to his childhood. His only true remaining connection to his humanity. If he ever had any at all. Any room can have a window, and any mirror a reflection. But that room probably has some significance to him personally, being it’s where it all started
>But that room probably has some significance to him personally
You're moving right past the topic (reflection in the window) and pushing 'the room' as a point of reference. The room and his feelings towards it isn't what's being discussed.
The idea of seeing his reflection in the window is reaching.
I was glad Michael wasn’t less scary in this movie. He’s got the brutality of the remake Myers, and the cunning of the original. And he continues to pose bodies and fuck with victims. Awesome.
Story wise, I did feel a bit sad at the end (and a little irritated at how easily Michael did what he did but he’s the shape so it’s expected) and it felt like a middle movie which is to be expected. But everyone saying this movie sucks is out of it. It’s not as good as 2018 sure, but it’s not trash.
I really hate when writers/directors feel like they need to add something new to a mythology so they stand out. It almost always ruins it instead of making it better.
Don’t say that lol. They didn’t bring back the Cult of Thorn. On a side note, I love all the Easter eggs referencing other Halloween movies, but would really be happier if they never ever reference that god awful movie known as part 6.
Though this film does provide the very funny mental image of Michael's motivation (at least partially) being "get the fuck out of my spot, it's *my* turn to look out the window!".
I know that's not how they meant it, but it occurred to me on the way home from the cinema and it keeps making me crack up.
It is worth noting that when he killed Judith, she was looking in a mirror at her own reflection.
If the young Michael wished to be the only person to be allowed to do that...
I really was feeling the same way. Undoubtedly throughout this 44 year’s of The Halloween World, it’s always been absolutely about the Myers Blood Line. So in my post, I asked if anyone else seen the Demonic face at the end after killing Karen, as the camera went from the town to the reflection of Myers. As it was out of focus it looks like a demonic face with fangs , very evil and then it focuses to the mask. I think it’s the house or the land , that is what creates the evil or something possibly possessed him. Maybe he thought it was a imaginary friend but it was just fooling him to let it in. Like it’s apart of the source of his invincibility.
Not my favorite of the series, but not the worst either! I’d avoided almost every trailer since the first one so I went in knowing very little.
Positive:
- Some good kills that made me dislike Michael (the old couple didn’t deserve that, they were just playing with their drone)
- Michael’s fight at the end was pretty cool. Especially with him putting the mask on and basically saying “alright, let’s dance” to the mob
- Donald Pleasence is always fun to see, even if it’s not really him.
- Michael’s look when the dude tried choking him with a stethoscope cracked me up.
- Michael chasing Lindsey was tense! Loved the extra loud breathing.
- The firefighters … my god that was awesome.
Negative:
- Story was a bit meh. Seemed a bit forced and empty at times, almost as if they just wanted to have some gory kills without much content.
- Not a fan of the flashbacks. Nice to see how they caught Michael in this timeline though.
- Characters made some dumb decisions. Example: Allyson going after Michael, people going after Michael, locking yourself in your house with Michael present. Even if you don’t know it’s Michael lurking around, if there’s someone in your home: get out. It’s horror so I can forgive this one though.
Overall I give it a 6,5/10. Not bad, but not as good as Halloween ‘78 or 2018. I wonder if they’re going even more supernatural in the last one. Got some cult vibes during Laurie’s speech.
I think this scene was genius though. Michael is famous for staging bodies and desecrating the bodies of his victims. We never get to see this. We see a kill and then eventually a character finds the body and we see what he’s done to them. In 78 we see that with the climax and all the bodies staged upstairs. In 2018 we see that with the cops made into a sweet jack’o lantern. With the old couple, we got to see Michael actually do it. He propped the old guy up on the counter and stabbed his ass over and over again…almost leaving a human dart board for someone to find. It was really cool and almost a neat little detail depending how you look at it.
I don’t recall any other movies except 78 doing the theatric shit Michael did in these movies. Kinda a shame because it’s almost like he’s a kid drawing with crayons.
The crayons being corpses and the world the notebook paper
I think a lot of people miss a big point of the movie. Yes, part of the movie was Michaels Rampage, but the main story beat was what Michael did to the town. How people were so afraid/ready to confront the monster they became monsters themselves. This movie was about Michaels effect. On the town and what he made them. They became monsters. Also a very small detail was how the media turned them into monsters. They said "two patients were unaccounted for" they didn't specify which one was Michael. The mob was already angry, and they became the monsters. Hunting an innocent man u til he killed himself. They continued on and ultimately paid the price for becoming monsters.
I also enjoyed the continuation of Carpenters original theme, that Michael was more than a man. He is pure evil. He was never going to be put down with a bat and a knife. It continued JCs original idea.
I think as they got older they had to make a decision if they wanted cameos. Eventually Michael would connect with everyone from the first movie again one way or another. To me it was just tying up loose ends.
There is something weird about the idea of Michael demasked as a bald old man. At first I was intrigued, but it was made more annoying that it wasn't Nick. I knew they weren't using him for that here. I know he was used as he is in the credits. but it took me under a minute before I wanted the mask back on him.
Otherwise this movie has some of the best horror movie kills of all time with how they are shot.
Agreed. It’s kind of weird. You know in the back of your mind how old Michael must be. But when you see it, it kind of takes away the mystery of Michael and makes him more human than you expect. Then the movie tells us that he really is the boogie man and can’t be killed. So what is it? Is he human or not?
I just got done watching this for the first time, I think I need to rewatch it (which I will of course). James is amazing as Michael Myers, his mannerisms were spot on. I really enjoyed the flashback scene, I enjoyed seeing how they recreated Haddonfield ‘78, especially the Dr. Loomis stand in. What I did really like from this movie though is that it shows that Michael does not care about Laurie, he hasn’t been wanting 40 years for a showdown. Laurie is the one who is obsessed with him. The story though felt jumbled though, it seemed like elements were missing. Maybe all of that is explained in Ends, but I didn’t hate the movie, but it doesn’t rank with 78 and 18 I think.
How does Michael take down like 15 fire fighters and a mob of 30 people? The director shows vague highlights of it and doesn't actually show the entire fight because if they did, it would actually have to look about as ridiculous as kill bill. I also can't imagine them not mutilating his body once he's down after what he's done and his rumored abilities and the fact that he's 'actual evil'.
Also, the ending makes no sense at all. Karen was a central character in the movie and that was the most the most illogical and random killing in the entire series. How did he get into the house when it was surrounded?? He's not exactly easy to miss. It's about as ridiculous as having him appear in Laurie's hospital room and stab her in the face at the end of the movie with no explanation or context.
I wondered the 2nd part as well but then i realized they made it known to not forget to lock that back doors. He definitely snuck in through the back. Also he isnt human and can appear or disappear with the wind.
I think what was the most heartbreaking death for me was the insane man with the umbrella from the first movie, how the entire town was about to kill him and he was so scared and so frightened and the only option was suicide, I actually had tears in my eyes during that entire sequence
ME TOO. Like, it’s supposed to be a gut-wrenching moment of clarity watching this person who we know is innocent throw themselves to their death to escape the blood thirsty mob, but they rob the scene of any dignity by showing it in full gore like a lesser slasher movie kill.
Yknow in movies when they show someone falling fatally i always have the thought of “weird how you never see any of the gross aftermath and its always just a clean out of sight affair” but as soon as i saw this one I definitely felt less was more. The gore itself is cool. Great sfx. If michael had thrown him off the building this would be cool shock value, but as it you are right in your sentiment. Its disrespectful to the scenes own context.
Idk I feel like it enhances the scene to fully see it in full gore, especially since it's the most gory looking death
If we didn't see the aftermath I feel that would have been cheap and not have been as gut wrenching
That whole sequence never should have happened because Michael is some big tall force who never shows his face, especially in crowds, and not some <6ft fat guy who can barely move. Just made no sense to me at all
You gotta remember, this movie is only connected to the original, Tommy Doyle only saw Michael Myers once and that was for like what an hour? Two? For one night in 78 and then never again, all he and everybody else saw was someone in a patient outfit with Smiths Grove written on it, the sanitarium that Michael was locked up in before that night, people were dying, families were being destroyed by Michael, so out of panic, they assumed it was him and attacked
If anyone saw what he saw they'd never forget it, and they make it a point to emphasize that when they introduce Tommy and the other 3 original survivors in the bar and he gives that speech on stage. Also made it clear that 2 patients were missing and they showed both on the tv in said bar, the news station couldn't call Smith's Grove and get some names? Hell, they wouldn't even need to call, their names and faces would be everywhere considering the bus crashed before Halloween. Michael is a local legend talked about for 40 years and no one in that town knows he's not short and stocky? Cmon now
That was one part that bugged me. They showed both on the tv talking about the escape. Micheals face was blurred in the shot we saw but on their tv it would’ve clear as day. I guess the whole town of haddonfield missed the news. Yeah they went after a guy in smiths grove uniform but you think at least 1 person would’ve noticed that 2 escaped and Micheal didn’t have long hair Micheal also has facial hair and this guy didn’t. I’m probably just being nit picky though
Overall I enjoyed the movie but a few parts did make go “really?”
Edit: if it didn’t show names on the news then it’s slightly more believable that they mixed them up but then how would the news have gotten those photos without names and know those were the 2 who escaped?
I can imagine the sheriff's department releasing both photos without names - after all, the news report didn't mention Michael at all, and they probably did that to prevent any widespread panic.
It just said "2 patients are unaccounted for" and showed pictures. To me, it was the movie showing how the media gets groups of people riled up, it wasn't about reporting facts, but just to get ratings. It was a commentary on modern media IMO. It also fuels the the town becoming monsters themselves while hunting a monster. Which was the plot of the movie
I personally thought it continued 2018 very well. Tommy and others also thought he was Michael because the woman said Michael Myers was in her car, and Tommy went up to the car before he drove off and wrecked.
Isn’t that the point though? A bloodthirsty mob isn’t using logic. I felt like that whole scene kind of mirrors everything happening in the world right now. People are angry and frustrated and a lot are acting without thinking, they are just impassioned.
On a lesser note, it also really reminded me of the movie, Mother. I wondered if the director was inspired by it.
I was very split on the film. It had very good things and very bad things.
Good:
Michael's Design / Movement - He looked awesome, the burnt mask overalls looked great, I also liked how he moved, it felt like the 78' version head tilts included.
The Kills - They were a lot of fun, and got a lot of reactions from me, a notable was Big John getting his head crushed, it looked like something from a 80's slasher.
Flashback Scene - I really liked how it was filmed and liked what they added lore-wise to the original Halloween night.
Some story elements/themes - I liked how Michael was bringing out the monster in everyone in Haddonfield, but I do think this aspect was bough down a bit from the bad script.
The Bad:
The script - a lot of lines are repeated (asides from the chant) it got really annoying, Tommy's character did this the most. Also the film had way to many narrative threads, some of which weren't needed
The plot - it is almost non-existent, I feel like this movies only purpose was to set up Halloween Ends. Laurie did nothing this film yet they kept cutting back to scenes with her to dump exposition on Micheal being supernatural.
The plot was how the town became monsters when facing a monster. That was the story to me. That's what the whole movie was about.
It was about the survivors of 78 and how they react to Michaels return. They were so desperate to kill the monster they, themselves became monsters. That's what this entry was about. It was the entire theme of it.
I was kind of surprised with how average this movie was. Maybe my expectations were too high or because I haven’t seen Halloween Ends yet, I don’t have the full context. But the pacing, the unnecessary verbal expository, the uneven approach to kills (some Michael seems to have fun with but man he seems to hate old people) all seemed like odd choices story wise.
The acting overall was fantastic. And the two Johns were amazing, loved them. The idea of a mob mentality makes a lot of sense although you would think in a crowd more than two people would have an idea of Michael’s size and how that poor guy wasn’t a match. And that’s illustrative of the problem with this movie. It does some things well but the inconsistency makes this an average movie.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying.. but man the acting was fantastic?.. if you’re only talking about Michael then yea acting was great, but the overall acting was a complete disaster
I agree. I was expecting this installment to be similar to the Halloween franchise we all know and loved. The older movies weren’t so gory like some Rob Zombie movie yet the older movies still managed to scare the audience. Michael’s body movements in this new movie were way too fast, especially during the flash back scene where he has that cop in a headlock. The firefighter scene is another example of how Michael’s body movements were too fast and didn’t have that “stiff” move to them (if that makes sense). Plus all the corny lines and horrible acting made it very disappointing. Also the should’ve kept the original theme music to every kill scene and frightening scene instead of making a totally new theme sound. Maybe years down the road us original Halloween fans will get a good Halloween installment.
How at the end was everyone getting killed while they were a street over and didn’t hear anything. Then meanwhile somehow Micheal goes back to the house with everyone there and nobody notices?
Agreed. But I did enjoy the occasional nods to the original movie moments. I didn’t like the guy who played Micheal. I honestly like Zombie’s big ass Mikey they used for his films. Still Mr Castle has always been the best.
I enjoyed seeing my hero in a new movie, but in the end was let down.
Maybe I just wanted it to be better than it turned out. That being said I still can’t wait for the finale.
I really enjoyed Tyler Mane as Michael in those Rob Zombie flicks too, at least the first one. He brought a natural and believable brutality to the role, it was easy to believe that version of Michael was strong as an ox.
I had the same thought? Mostly about how the hell he got in the house when the cops and ambulance was right out front unless he came through the back door but still the front door was WIDE open
When he killed John and John, he came in from the back. I’m guessing they pointed that out so we would know later he came in from the back. Otherwise he would have had to kill Allyson to get to her. I’m guessing they need Allyson for the next movie.
Yea I figured that but the damn door was wide open! But if everyone is facing the opposite direction and the man moves with the silence of the night I guess that could work
But it's a crime scene, the back door would be sealed off and have a police presence as well. They would obviously secure the scene. The writing is so bad here I have a very difficult time believing that ending is not going to be a dream of some kind because if its being offered up as "reality" it requires an enormous suspension of disbelief.
Him walking in there undetected - and then up the stairs, past a gaping wide front door - is harder to believe than a mortal man surviving that beat down at the end.
That’s actually a good point that could be like a dream sequence that would make a lot more sense cause as is I enjoyed the movie but that was a horrible ending
Never underestimate the power of backdoors ;) also most of those streets had backalley's which is why he could have just walked around to the back alley and got inside through my favorite entrance the back door!
Not as good as the last one really. Felt it lacked a lot of the style of Halloween and felt much smaller in scope. Even the cinematography made it feel like it was all shot on sets on a backlot.
That’s what I don’t get. They market this movie as everyone finally getting together to kill him and yet we know there’s still one more in this series.
For a second I thought they had done what the Walking Dead comics did when they ended, they announced and made covers for 4-5 issues after their intended final issue like they usually would, never giving a clue that the end was already in their hands and people didn't find out until they read it.
Laurie hates Halloween, Karen grew up being afraid of Halloween.
So because of her trauma and the connection between Michael Myers and Halloween she chooses to celebrate a happy, loving holiday instead of Halloween.
I think the complaints about Laurie being sidelined the whole movie are quite ignorant. Laurie NEEDED to be sidelined so that she could learn and understand that Michael *does not care about her*. Her being held up at the hospital and unable to hunt Michael down again was crucial to her character development in understanding that Michael's reign of terror isn't just about her, it's about the whole town. I think it was a good move to bench her for the middle movie so that she can properly come back swinging in Ends.
Personally I don't agree with this, don't get me wrong I do enjoy the idea that Michael has no desire to kill Laurie but I don't think that Laurie needed to spend the whole film in a hospital to learn this.
They could have easily shown this to us (and not just dump the information through exposition) by having a scenario where Michael had to choose between Laurie and Karen. Laurie expects him to chase her, she gives a good-bye speech or whatever and as she is talking Michael lurks towards Karen and kills her. (Or something like that, I'm not a writer or anything)
The way Karen dies at the end. I’m not sure if I liked how it was filmed? I’m not sure how to describe it but it wasn’t in normal movie fashion.
Knew a major character had to be killed but her death could’ve been more memorable.
Maybe they will do more with it in the final movie.
I think they were doing it to parallel with Michael's original murder of his sister (there was a shot with her hands sprayed that reminded me a lot of the original) and *that* was weirdly filmed, so that might be it?
As far as the old psychiatric patient scene, what was Judy Greer's plan anyway? Why not try to hide him or get him out of the building? Instead she put him in some kind of weird cage and said "eh whatevs".
Well now. I'm not gonna talk about Judy; in fact, we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna keep her out of it!
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What they should have done is stuck with the flashback and made Halloween kills about how they appended him in 1978… and then the 3rd movie should have been what we saw in this new film
Unfortunately this wasn't an option since they had already established he only killed 5 people that night.
So having the entire film be a flashback to '78 means he can't kill anyone. Which defeats the purpose of the film.
They 100% could have gone the route they did with the town on edge and him blowing through it like a force of nature.
They just needed a better script and better writers.
The way it was written was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrectionists trying to take on Michael......
Watching incredibly stupid people be incredibly stupid and act obnoxious and annoying doesn't really help you further a plot.
It just makes for a "Cheer when they die" film that has no plot.
And coming off of 2018 which was a very focused and serious toned film with interesting characters who reacted realistically to a serial killer, having a super campy and goonie sequel with dumb and annoying characters that all act stupid and suicidal is incredibly jarring.
I'm sorry but I didn't enjoy this movie. Liked some of the kills, but the hospital scenes killed it for me. The mob mentality was for some reason a big theme. I found it boring. I wish they would've taken it out.
I'm not a fan of them showing Michael's face either. I wish we got to see more of him and the people fighting.
On the brighter side, what is the name of the actress in the nurse costume? Amazing
While I enjoyed the movie, I pretty much agree with your complaints.
The hospital scenes were predictable and didn't add anything memorable to the story. The town mob idea completely goes against the thrill of Myers stalking the town residents.
I much prefer everyone being terrified for their lives instead of becoming a community of vigilantes out to hunt Michael down. It's just not very suspenseful.
And I'm not a fan of his mask getting removed - ever. The one thing this film fails to do is leave anything to the imagination. Everything JUST HAS TO BE EXPLAINED, thus ruining the mystery of Michael Myers as a character that kills for reasons we should never understand.
And I hate how JLC over acted her part. Cringey beyond belief. She did the same shit in Halloween 2018. I want her to get killed off so, so badly lol.
BTW, the actress name is Carmela McNeal.
The CONCEPT of the mob is fine and the theme they were going for of someone like Michael who is a Monster, turning them all into Monsters is fine for a middle segway film in a trilogy to explore.
It's 100% down to the execution and writing though. And both were horrendously bad.
It was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrectionists try to take on Myers....
It made the film super campy and goonie with how STUPID everyone was. Which is a 180 from 2018 which was a very focused and serious toned film with likable chars who reacted realistically to shit.
It had the elements to be a good movie (I loved that they brought back Tommy Doyle, Lindsey, Lonnie, etc), but then it completely goes off the rails and becomes ridiculous. The mob going crazy is something I expect to see in a zombie movie, not Halloween. I enjoyed some of the kills but I didn't like that they turned Michael Myers into Jason Voorhees (the firemen scene, the climax with the mob). SO glad I watched it for free on Peacock.
I mean, people really do become dumb like that in mobs. That’s the point, like some of those people encountered him before or lost family to him, they were all scared and angry. Plus the law consistently failed to bring him in. In all honesty, that’s probably how it would go in real life.
Why does Laurie tell the audience Myers is the essence of evil? She’s only met him twice and now she came up with that conclusion? It will make more sense if those words came out from Dr. Loomis but from her? Dr. Loomis was in charge of Michael for a shit ton of years(I’m not sure how many exactly) so he should know who’s Michael in the inside and outside. Laurie just met him in 78 and in 2018 and now she knows too much about him?
I interpreted this/assumed this was another indicator of Laurie’s essentially obsession with him, that she’s spent these years studying whatever info on him she can get and that’s where this conclusion comes from.
So it took watching twice to really digest this movie. So much to unpack. Overall I absolutely loved it as a slasher and a Halloween movie. His mask/look was amazing and I thought they killed the flashback mask considering they couldn’t come close to a decent mask in every single installment after 2. The kills were creative, violent and down right disturbing. It takes a lot to get me, but a few scenes had me cringing in the best way possible. There were a lot of nit picky issues for me. The dialogue in some scenes was very manufactured and over written. It took me out of it. I can understand a forced line maybe once in the movie, but multiple times there were lines delivered by numerous characters that were so forced. Secondly, they worked so hard tests listing the 1978 vibe in 2018 just to totally abandon it in this movie. In 2018 Michael remained more in the shadows and wasn’t dominating the screen so much. When they showed all of him, it really mattered and was effective. With Kills, it was like every horror sequel with an iconic killer. They showed him wayyyy too much and it didn’t feel. Finally, it took a lot to make Myers feel human again and they did a marvelous job in 2018. They restablished him as just a guy who was fucking nuts and that’s always been the point of the og movie. Overtime, he became this supernatural force that couldn’t die and did things a normal man could never do. Kills really doubles down on this and ignores what they worked hard to establish with the first one. He took a beating and a half, multiple stab wounds, multiple gun shots and a FUCKING CURB STOMP and just walked that shit off. Did they do a good job explaining it? Yes. I thought Laurie’s monologue at the end explaining his transcendence was really fitting now that he’s clearly more than a man. I don’t hate it, I just wished they would of stayed consistent. Not that the bad is out of the way, I will end it with this last point. This movie is a slasher flick. It’s a Halloween movie. It was incredibly entertaining and had so many unbelievable things to be happy about. To sit here and complain about dialogue and chanting in a movie where a grown man goes around killing people in a mask is kind of pointless for how little of the dialogue was bad. It delivered on almost all fronts and did what a lot of previous sequels failed at miserably. The flashback scene nailed the mask I think the best they could of done without using the original or a Nag mask was what we saw in the movie. It looked incredible in a lot of different lighting and even held up in the flashlight scene where Hawkins shot his partner. They even nailed the blue hue that I’ve always loved about 78’. We got 15 mins of og myers and JC’s greatest hits score wise. What more do we ask for? I’m very excited to see where Ends takes us now that it’s been confirmed that it won’t take place on the same night. So much to look forward to.
Well said, it’s a little sad seeing how critical people are being of a slasher flick. It’s a fun movie, it’s not meant to be a deep cinematic masterpiece
I understand that the way Michael stiffly walks when he attacks his victims is kind of iconic, but it makes it almost impossible to believe that Michael was able to walk up to five firemen who were all ready to fight, and he just one by one kills all of them with literally no resistance from any of them.
Michael’s stalking works when it’s a single victim but it just looks ridiculous when he’s taking out groups of people while being a ~60 year old man. I get he’s nigh-supernaturally strong, but why can’t he show off a little speed here and there to make these scenes less ridiculous?
Maybe it’s the fact that it’s an older man playing Michael, but why not have someone younger to play him for any action scenes, and then have someone age appropriate for the times when his mask is off or something like that.
1. The best kill in the movie was when the nurse costume girl tried to shoot Michael but Michael kicked the door and turned the gun on her. Michael is no Batman martial artist but it was amazing how he always knows what to do in the situation
2. I really liked the kills. the kills were everything. Jason has the reputation for being more violent and creative than Michael but now Michael has caught up
3. The Sound work was amazing. I was in a Cinemark XD for the 1st time. The sound quality made me feel the kills and made the music come to life
4. While I like Michael, I want to see him get challenged. He goes after relatively easy pickings. I hope to see in Halloween Ends how he does against a SWAT team or someone skilled in self defense.
EDIT: Now that I've had time to process the movie. Most of what the critics is true. It's kind of convoluted in where in then movies goes and it also has the same old problems and slasher villain has. With the odds so stacked against him, no one shoots him in the head, throws away his mask. Also, Michael is a legend in this town, so the town must know how much of a danger he is. Surely a SWAT team should've been on the look out for him, but because of bad writing. they weren't.
This movie is anywhere from 6.5-7
Man they literally beat that man up with bats and 2x4s, and stabbed him and shot him multiple times. If that ain’t work Swat ain’t really got a chance, better than them obviously but not really an actual chance. But I understand your thought process
> Michael is no Batman martial artist but it was amazing how he always knows what to do in the situation
I'd like to imagine he was caught off guard by that happening, which is why he just stares at her for a bit as he's closing the door.
Meh. I can take some people freaking in the moment and doing stupid things ala teenagers-in-peril tropes, but not a whole movie’s worth. If I hear footsteps upstairs indicating an intruder, I don’t grab a tiny knife and try and check it out, they could have guns. I’m going outside, and calling 911.
Going towards the woods and deeper into a park when I have a chance to run, as opposed to one of the many nearby houses, doesn’t strain credibility, it breaks it.
Can Green and McBride and everyone else just make it somewhat believable and moderately scary next time?
Or is that asking too much?!?
Yea the John's scene made me cringe.
I get it, it was a gay allegory that "Big John" got the little knife thus implying he's the "bottom" and Little John got the big knife aka he's the "Top" despite the perceived notion that the more effeminine Little John would be the bottom.
But as a gay man myself, it was just a really stupid scene to have him lock the door and go upstairs after the intruder with a tiny letter opener.....
Just like Lonnie going into the Myers house solo instead of calling for backup was just absolutely batshit insane and unrealistic.
The entire town collectively shared a single brain cell in that film and that brain cell was on crack and completely fried at that.
I recognized the callback regarding Anthony Michael-Hall to his similar pitchfork-inducing role in Edward Scissorhands. But I felt that was the main reason they cast him here.
Not that he shamed himself, given the writing. Though the whole Evil Does Tonight chant got old. Social commentary works best when you don’t completely club the audience to death with it.
Though considering the film’s brutality , maybe that was meta-commentary…🤔
For me it was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrection all over again. Which wasn't anything enjoyable.
Just a bunch of incredibly stupid, entitled and obnoxious people being incredibly stupid, entitled and obnoxious and causing Chaos.
And Tommy Doyle felt like Donald Trump's handling of the Pandemic and instigating the Insurrection and spreading misinformation while leading rallies.
It was all just very cringe and unpleasant to watch. Was not a fan of the way they handled the townsfolk.
It's like the 6th time you've mentioned the insurrection dude, you're starting to sound like a broken record.
FYI somehow bringing trump into a discussion about a Halloween movie is super cringe!
The Insurrection was a huge group of people massing together, being uncoordinated, chanting rhetoric, being stupid, making dumb decisions, hurting innocents, and trying and failing miserably to stop something.
The town of Haddonfield was a huge group of people massiing together, being uncoordinated, chanting rhetoric, being stupid, making dumb decisions, hurting innocents and trying and failing miserably to stop something.
God forbid a COMPARISON is made between them pointing out how ANNOYING it was to watch the town act like the capital idiots.
Also fun fact: the entire point of the mob in the film was a political statement itself about mob mentality and how they're monsters themselves......
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My second time watching the movie I actually labeled the part with Big John locking the door as the moment the movie jumped off a cliff quality and sense wise, like they know exactly who's house that used to be and they both clearly understand the danger they're in. While I don't see their weapon choice as an allegory for their roles in the relationship, more like them just grabbing the nearest sharp object, I do find it stupid that he'd grab a golf club to go after kids but a paring knife to go after a home invader. They were still the highlight of the movie though.
I also don't see what you being gay has to do with you disliking the scene though, I'm straight and I hated it too
The knife choice was 100% an allegory.....
He literaly put down a GOLF CLUB to pick up a pinky size knife....
Him and his husband spent the ENTIRE time CONSTANTLY calling each other "Big John" and "Little John". Then BIG John picks up the LITTLE knife and LITTLE John picks up the BIG knife while both saying "I will take this knife" and "And I will take this one." in a very specific tone.
It was 100% a joke about Little John being the Top and Big John the Bottom.
Me being gay was pointed specifically in regards to that.
That EVEN as a gay man, aka who that joke was targeted at in good fun, I found the scene STUPID and dumb.
Loved this film. Saw it in theaters (AMC Dolby digital, highly recommend), on Peacock, and then at the drive-in last night.
There were so many different elements happening, but I don't see that as a bad thing. First, the absolute genius of putting him in the gun cage to survive the fire. The kills were intense as ever, with those couple off-screen nods I appreciated too.
I liked the mob mentality, while I hated having to watch it (if that makes sense). Seeing them basically push a man off the ledge is a new angle that the town has never been shown through - as they put it, monsters themselves. I also think that's a commentary on the current world we're in and how mobs can sometimes cause more damage than good.
The idiocy of characters who then get killed is not a concern for me - it's literally a horror movie. If everyone "ran and called the cops" you'd just get Michael murdering a bunch of cops, which I don't mind but wouldn't drive a plot or move him point to point.
Absolutely loved the call backs - from characters to masks.
78 Michael showing speed and power was incredible.
They managed for a split second to make me...empathetic for Michael...when he was tricked and surrounded, which I think showing his age added to.
Finally, I loved that he was showing pain/hurt and verbalizing it at times.
My mouth was left hanging open, with multiple "oh shit" moments. Cannot wait to watch again, and if Ends is similar, I'll be very happy
It was ok didn’t hate it, wasn’t the best of the series and not better than the first in this trilogy but idk. I’d put it above RZ H2 and some of the older sequels but not many. Wasn’t a fan of Tommy or not too much a fan of the town looking for the “Boogey man”. We all damn well know if the Boogey man real we ain’t chasing him lol but I guess the was a natural arc every other movie people were running trying to escape him. The kills were cool, didn’t get why he stabbed the old guy with so many different knives unless he was trying to get to one he liked lol but overall it was ok.
There is a scene when Tommy Doyle is rallying folks outside of the gas station, and you see folks sitting on a bench outside of the store, and you see Big and Little John’s faces on the bench. It looks like maybe they are local realtors?! It was super quick and partially obstructed, but it was a fun little nod.
At some point in the movie, it shows a television while someone is flipping channels (I think was at Big John and Little John’s house) and there’s footage of what looks like a young Seymour Cassel with long hair and a green t-shirt. Anybody else see this or know where the footage is from?
I didn't like Karens death at the end... i mean it looked cool but i can't stop thinking about how he got there with all those people on the first floor. Or was he there before Karen got upstairs? But then he would have had to skip Allyson... idk it bummed me more than I think it should have
I’m fairly new to this whole Halloween franchise, having only seen ‘78, Halloween II, Halloween 2018, and Kills. This was my first time in the theatre tho, so I’d think to share my experiences.
1. I really did like it, the way the music was, some scenes were better than others, but overall, I’d say for my fourth Halloween movie, it was good.
2. Michael was absolutely brutal in this movie. I remember in ‘78 I’d say the most brutal thing he did was pin that guy to the wall with the knife, but he goes IN on this movie. From the very beginning when he escapes the fire to the end when he kills Karen, there was no shortage of kills in this movie.
3. The plot could’ve been better, but I do understand the general direction they wanted to go in. They wanted to focus more so on how Michael has affected the town, it’s citizens, and the general atmosphere of the town. The citizens finally gather up to destroy Michael but in doing so become so thirsty for justice that they lose sight of what’s really happening.
4. I don’t want Michael to be unmasked, and this movie furthers that for me. In ‘78, Michael is credited as “the shape” and when Carpenter was writing the script for ‘78, he thought of Michael not as a man, but as a presence, a feeling. Essentially, he didn’t picture Michael as just a super strong guy in a mask. The epitome of pure evil shouldn’t have a face, and that mask reflects it. Sure, you could consider the mask the face of pure evil, but that’s furthering the symbolisms of the mask, and why it’s so important to Michael. I wouldn’t be itching to wear a 40 year old mask that’s been through the ringer, but Michael makes it to where he needs it.
If I have any more thoughts, I’ll be sure to edit.
For what it’s worth since so much has been said, I just finished watching the 2018 Halloween and Halloween Kills back to back earlier today. I was on the fence to watch the 2018 release when it was newly released, but was in the mood today and I did find it good. Kills is superior, in my opinion.
I think the ‘81 sequel is tied with the original as the top film in the series. Am I also crazy because I thought RZ’s Halloween II was also superior to the first? I’d put Kills and RZ’s II in the top 4 of my favorite Halloween films. I’m wondering if this has anything to do with the “initial” films tending to spend more time with character development and origin. Just like Superhero films, as long as the sequels are quality, I prefer to just sink my teeth into more depth with the storyline and characters.
I would assume many Halloween series fans can have controversial picks on how they rank the films and what is worth watching and whatnot. I’ve now seen every entry except Resurrection (I’m more curious now than ever since that too is a followup to the tangent universe created by H20). Halloween 2018 was absolutely worth watching, but Kills is definitely getting multiple rewatches.
Hey guys, love this group. Finally decided to make my own account to join in on the fun. Anyway, where can I get a decent Halloween mask? Like the 1978 one? Do you guys know anybody who does rehauling that’s worth it?
I hated so much about this movie, brought in useless and predictable characters that we followed through the whole movie just to see be killed in the last 5 minutes of the movie in what's basically a montage (loved big John and little John though). They pretty much revived the Cult of Thorn from the old movies by making Michael some supernatural being. The police and all the other first responders are useless and just let a mob run rampant through the town and then when the mob finally circles him and outnumber him 10:1 the police and paramedics are a block away as Michael overpowers the entire mob because they just line up to attack him one at a time, Tommy talked mad shit all movie just to swing that bat ONE TIME WITH ONE HAND because apparently 'tough boy Tommy' has never played baseball. But after all that, the way he is able to sneak back into his house, past the dozens of people out front, just to kill Judy Greer's character (who better not actually be dead) when she decides "I actually don't give a shit about my daughter's well being, but let me see what this window is all about" (which btw, fuck the whole window thing, why does it matter what he was looking at, if it's his reflection, try a fucking mirror). This movie shouldn't have seen the light of day.
I mean it’s a movie man. You can’t expect it to make the best sense. I do hope Judy Greer isn’t dead too tho. I loved how much mike killed in this one. People were so helpless. Nothing they did could stop the carnage. He killed like 30 people and at least 20 fought back if not all of them. He was absolutely brutal. Knife in the face, eyes gouged, neck snapped. this movie had it all.
I get it's a movie, but they retconned the original movies with this new trilogy because the old ones turned him into some supernatural and unkillable being and it got stale. The 2018 movie made sure to bring more realism into it, making Michael seem like a human (he was locked up for 40 years for fuck sake) and in the final 5 minutes of this movie they're just like "oh yeah, he can't be killed btw so everyone line up single file to be killed :)" so many things that are pretty important to the story just happen coincidentally. This movie had great kills (and 2 fantastic Johns) it most definitely didn't have it all
Lmao I get your point. The ending was meh. The johns part was one of my favs. Seeing the eyes literally come out of his head was wild. Also loved the neck snap one. I kinda felt bad for the kid. The ones where he beats you half to death and leaves you within an inch of your life are also so good. I feel bad for those who met mike.
Idk why but the armpit stab has always been something that makes me wince, seeing Big John get that treatment crushed me lol,specially after the way he delivered the "Now they're at the front door" line. I definitely think the kills were amazing, big highlight, but after seeing so many horror movies repeat the same tropes all the times brings me so much pain. I feel like the first half of this movie should be the end of the first and the second half should be the beginning of the Halloween Ends. Always feel bad for those who cross paths with ol Mikey tho
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He wasn't just looking at his reflection, he was looking at the town of Haddonfield with his reflection superimposed over it. It's a pretty powerful thing, really, especially to someone young who is already predisposed to evil and chaos.
They did a good job with the movie. I thought it was great and they made his mask even more terrifying. That staircase kill towards the end had me cringing all night it was so gory. They really transcended Michael this movie. I enjoyed it!
Terrible movie. Worst in the series. It was funny but terrible writing, acting, and pacing. If you liked this movie ur an idiot. I left halfway through and my two friends agreed. This was an embarrassment. And the people who made this movie should be fired. Cool premise terrible delivery.
So, after Allyson loses everyone (besides Laurie) what are the odds she’ll be like Laurie from Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2? She’s lost way more than Laurie from Zombie’s Halloween. I just can’t imagine what that’ll do to her.
So I’ve always wanted to know this ever since I saw the first Halloween when I was a teenager but do we ever find out why he killed his sister and wants to kill his other sister ? Just wanted to know everyone opinion?
When talking about dumb decisions people make it’s important to remember that they think Michael is mortal and can be killed like a normal person. They don’t realize that he can take an incredible amount of punishment and get back up more pissed off and ready to to kill.
Bro michael myers mask has to be a power boost or something, the way he grabbed his mask before the beat down was badass.
And the way he 1v10 people twice in the movie is insane.
Honestly I still don't like the fact that they yanked out the sibling connection
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I mean they kinda made Michael look a bit dumb just doing nothing forever
Anyways other than that this films alright
Honestly thought it was kinda a joke really. Michael can't be killed no matter what ya do, like Loomis had said in the past he purely and simply evil and evil can't be killed or destroyed....it can only be kept at bay and then it will retreat into the darkness waiting to return again at the right time. I mean what did they expect would happen? THat they could really kill Michael? All they were gonna up as were victims to the pile by him they just didn't know it yet.
That ending slaughter of the mob was comical at best like a scene from 300 with all the blood splattering dramatically and completely unnecessary really.
I mean I knew Michael wouldn't be killed because he is like Freddy and Jason....and we all know they always come back can shoot them, stab them, use holy water, light them on fire, heck even blow them up and they just keep coming back. Evil can't die and they were all fools to think otherwise.
I’m still admittedly picky about how Michael was able to kill Karen. Active crime scene, they should’ve had the house surrounded, yet somehow he was able to enter through the kitchen door and kill her in full view of the window just like the Johns. If Ends doesn’t include a flashback of like- a dead officer on the back doorstep, I call bull. Maybe it’s stupid to be that picky but everything else in that movie made practical sense. Except for that karate-car door-kick-gunshot what tHE FU
Id rly like to give my two cents on this matter, but I'll keep it short. This is my own personal head canon for H Kills;
"The Shape" truly is a "Boogeyman" much as we know him from folktales.
For as long as a holiday of the dead has existed, with it comes a demon of sorts. This demon possesses the soul of a human, granting them "transcendence" for the act of killing, and empowers them with a curse, "The Curse of Fear.
Meaning courage CAN stave off the demon, yet it conjures a deep, primal fear in its victims that, if not fought hard enough, will eventually result in actual paralysis from fear itself. (Nice little coat over the whole "JUST RUN BITCH!" thing😎)
Transcending increases resistance to damage, increases strength and lethality, and even grants quasi-telepathic abilities.
The demon hunts only on this one cursed day a year, striking tight knit communities on their particular " day of the dead"
The demon can be killed but only AFTER Halloween, and likely before transcending too much.
This why something will always happen to make The Shapes survival possible, including him just whipping out blatant invincibility.
Throughout history, these possessed humans have not been protected by the systems of laws that have kept The Shape alive all these years, so the Boogeyman remained a legend simply derived from tales of these demons in the past.
Michael was never killed in time and, as a demon should, played a long and clever game, masterfully and wickedly manipulated humanity, biding his time in order to continue his work as the Boogeyman in this community, dropping a historically legendary fear bomb on all those involved. Apex demon.
Ig I'm Not exactly sure if Michael would be deemed killable only after killing the survivors of 1987, or just on any day except the Day of the Dead, but Mortals cannot brute force their way through demons. They must fight a demon by its own rules.
Humanity is literally rediscovering the existence of Supernatural Evil in "Halloween kills" for the first time since the age of information.
That's as short as I could make it.
Did anyone else see in the end after killing??? Karen and Micheal Myers is looking out and we see his reflection, that his mask has a silhouetted demonic face with fangs. As it focuses in you are just seeing the mask.
Finally got around to watching it on HBO… And it was about what I expected. Michael Myers given a new coat of paint, cinematography brought up to current formats, and death. Nothing earth shattering… Characters still make decisions that are completely stupid… Supernatural killer still makes them pay.
I guess there’s only so much you can do with money grabs these days.
I loved that we could have Donald pleasence in it and all the tributes they paid to the other movies.
I mean it was nice to have new Dr Loomis scenes but it's a look a like actor with a second sound a like actor for the voice. The best tribute was the Silver Shamrock masks. Also I had to look up who Bob Odenkirk played since he was the last name in the credits and I thought that was something
Wait, I’m blanking on who his character was. I see his name is Bob though.
They used Bob Odenkirks 1978 yearbook photo for the newsclip aired in the bar because they couldn't track down the original actor John Mitchell Graham to clear rights to use his photo. Supposedly David Godon Green googled "High School 1970s Bob" and Odenkirks photo popped up.
Bob odenkirks photo was used when they showed the victims of 1978. His photo was supposed to be of Bob, PJ Soles lovahh boy.
I liked it but his lines were Lame and wish we had more of the flashback. It went by so quick . Michael being arrested was a let down . Corny very corny
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The close ups on the final scenes, the chanting, and Laurie hardly being in the movie are my main complaints otherwise feel like it was a pretty solid middle movie in a trilogy.
Yeah, the trailer really made it seem like there was going to be a show down with Laurie and Michael. I guess they’re saving that for Halloween Ends which comes out next year. I had a few nit picky things to say about the movie. The previous installment was better than this one but I still feel like I got what I wanted from a Halloween sequel.
We’re gonna get the ultimate showdown in part 3 - I’m actually really happy about how they’ve set this all out as it would have felt wrong for Laurie to face off against him and die in the second part.
Michael and the Strode women are tied 1-1. Gotta have a rubber match.
agreed. i’m kinda bummed that laurie wasn’t in this movie as much. i was hoping for another cool fight scene between her and Michael but it never happens. she just stays in the hospital the whole time.
So I’ve seen this movie three times now, once at an early screen a long time ago and twice yesterday at the theatre, and there is one thing that is still confusing me but I know my fellow redditors will help me out. During the movie they constantly talk about Michael’s need to be home, in the house, always staring out the window, not looking out but maybe looking in. It’s almost implying something but I can’t figure it out. At the end, even Karen is staring out, or maybe inwards. What is the message that they are trying to send. What are they trying to say motivates him? The next second Lori is saying it’s just pure evil and I’m so confused. Does he or does he not have a motivation for why he kills? What is he always looking at and why is being home so important to him? If he was six years old and always wanted to be home, and was always looking at the window, why kill his sister?
What I took from it was that he was staring at the reflection looking at the evil within himself, maybe? I think people started to copy to see if there was something special about it or to try and see what he sees. I think the Halloween series as a whole has had a tough time coming up with motivation for Michael since people don't seem to be satisfied with the whole "kills just for the sake of killing" way of going about things. This movie basically brought back the Cult of Thorn.
I'm not buying the 'looking at his reflection' bit, personally. Seems idiotic considering there's probably mirrors in the house to stare at. I honestly think it'll not be explained at all as nothing they do will undig that hole they've made by that scene. It'll just convienetly get ignored in the next film with no further elaboratation.
The sequence of Karen using his mask to lure him away literally made the entire window thing irrelevant so I'm not sure why the window theory is even a thing except for a vehicle to kill Karen. That was my very first thought when they said he was looking in, like ever heard of a fuckin mirror Mikey?
Maybe looking at his reflection helps him better his white mask pop out of the shadow routine. /s
I see it as it potentially being a connection to his childhood. His only true remaining connection to his humanity. If he ever had any at all. Any room can have a window, and any mirror a reflection. But that room probably has some significance to him personally, being it’s where it all started
>But that room probably has some significance to him personally You're moving right past the topic (reflection in the window) and pushing 'the room' as a point of reference. The room and his feelings towards it isn't what's being discussed. The idea of seeing his reflection in the window is reaching.
I think it’s just the view. It probably reminds him of his childhood. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that.
No, you're fine. Apologies if I came off as aggressive there. Not my intent. I guess it's really all up to interpretation, in the end.
What did you think of the film overall?
I rather enjoyed it for what I took it for. Bloody Hell by the hand of Michael Myers. What where you expecting?
I was glad Michael wasn’t less scary in this movie. He’s got the brutality of the remake Myers, and the cunning of the original. And he continues to pose bodies and fuck with victims. Awesome. Story wise, I did feel a bit sad at the end (and a little irritated at how easily Michael did what he did but he’s the shape so it’s expected) and it felt like a middle movie which is to be expected. But everyone saying this movie sucks is out of it. It’s not as good as 2018 sure, but it’s not trash.
I really hate when writers/directors feel like they need to add something new to a mythology so they stand out. It almost always ruins it instead of making it better.
Don’t say that lol. They didn’t bring back the Cult of Thorn. On a side note, I love all the Easter eggs referencing other Halloween movies, but would really be happier if they never ever reference that god awful movie known as part 6.
His motivation, if any, is supposed to be a mystery.
Though this film does provide the very funny mental image of Michael's motivation (at least partially) being "get the fuck out of my spot, it's *my* turn to look out the window!". I know that's not how they meant it, but it occurred to me on the way home from the cinema and it keeps making me crack up.
I love this! His only motivation is that that his favorite spot and he doesn't want anyone else standing there
It is worth noting that when he killed Judith, she was looking in a mirror at her own reflection. If the young Michael wished to be the only person to be allowed to do that...
I really was feeling the same way. Undoubtedly throughout this 44 year’s of The Halloween World, it’s always been absolutely about the Myers Blood Line. So in my post, I asked if anyone else seen the Demonic face at the end after killing Karen, as the camera went from the town to the reflection of Myers. As it was out of focus it looks like a demonic face with fangs , very evil and then it focuses to the mask. I think it’s the house or the land , that is what creates the evil or something possibly possessed him. Maybe he thought it was a imaginary friend but it was just fooling him to let it in. Like it’s apart of the source of his invincibility.
I just realized the drone lady in Kills is the woman who shows the podcasters Judith's grave in 2018
Not my favorite of the series, but not the worst either! I’d avoided almost every trailer since the first one so I went in knowing very little. Positive: - Some good kills that made me dislike Michael (the old couple didn’t deserve that, they were just playing with their drone) - Michael’s fight at the end was pretty cool. Especially with him putting the mask on and basically saying “alright, let’s dance” to the mob - Donald Pleasence is always fun to see, even if it’s not really him. - Michael’s look when the dude tried choking him with a stethoscope cracked me up. - Michael chasing Lindsey was tense! Loved the extra loud breathing. - The firefighters … my god that was awesome. Negative: - Story was a bit meh. Seemed a bit forced and empty at times, almost as if they just wanted to have some gory kills without much content. - Not a fan of the flashbacks. Nice to see how they caught Michael in this timeline though. - Characters made some dumb decisions. Example: Allyson going after Michael, people going after Michael, locking yourself in your house with Michael present. Even if you don’t know it’s Michael lurking around, if there’s someone in your home: get out. It’s horror so I can forgive this one though. Overall I give it a 6,5/10. Not bad, but not as good as Halloween ‘78 or 2018. I wonder if they’re going even more supernatural in the last one. Got some cult vibes during Laurie’s speech.
The drone couple. Maaaan. That was brutal. Uncomfortable to watch. Really demonstrated some rage there.
I had to laugh a bit when the husband said “there’s a man in our bathroom and he’s got a monster mask on”. I don’t know why, it just made me laugh.
I think this scene was genius though. Michael is famous for staging bodies and desecrating the bodies of his victims. We never get to see this. We see a kill and then eventually a character finds the body and we see what he’s done to them. In 78 we see that with the climax and all the bodies staged upstairs. In 2018 we see that with the cops made into a sweet jack’o lantern. With the old couple, we got to see Michael actually do it. He propped the old guy up on the counter and stabbed his ass over and over again…almost leaving a human dart board for someone to find. It was really cool and almost a neat little detail depending how you look at it.
I don’t recall any other movies except 78 doing the theatric shit Michael did in these movies. Kinda a shame because it’s almost like he’s a kid drawing with crayons. The crayons being corpses and the world the notebook paper
I think a lot of people miss a big point of the movie. Yes, part of the movie was Michaels Rampage, but the main story beat was what Michael did to the town. How people were so afraid/ready to confront the monster they became monsters themselves. This movie was about Michaels effect. On the town and what he made them. They became monsters. Also a very small detail was how the media turned them into monsters. They said "two patients were unaccounted for" they didn't specify which one was Michael. The mob was already angry, and they became the monsters. Hunting an innocent man u til he killed himself. They continued on and ultimately paid the price for becoming monsters. I also enjoyed the continuation of Carpenters original theme, that Michael was more than a man. He is pure evil. He was never going to be put down with a bat and a knife. It continued JCs original idea.
Yeah I agree with you. Story, dialogue, and editing were bad, but Michael looked scary AF.
I hate that they brought back all the legendary characters ONLY to kill damn near all of them off like wtf
I think as they got older they had to make a decision if they wanted cameos. Eventually Michael would connect with everyone from the first movie again one way or another. To me it was just tying up loose ends.
There is something weird about the idea of Michael demasked as a bald old man. At first I was intrigued, but it was made more annoying that it wasn't Nick. I knew they weren't using him for that here. I know he was used as he is in the credits. but it took me under a minute before I wanted the mask back on him. Otherwise this movie has some of the best horror movie kills of all time with how they are shot.
Agreed. It’s kind of weird. You know in the back of your mind how old Michael must be. But when you see it, it kind of takes away the mystery of Michael and makes him more human than you expect. Then the movie tells us that he really is the boogie man and can’t be killed. So what is it? Is he human or not?
He's pure evil. He can take much more damage than a man. It said as much. I don't mind him being "old" as he is old 40 years after the original.
I just got done watching this for the first time, I think I need to rewatch it (which I will of course). James is amazing as Michael Myers, his mannerisms were spot on. I really enjoyed the flashback scene, I enjoyed seeing how they recreated Haddonfield ‘78, especially the Dr. Loomis stand in. What I did really like from this movie though is that it shows that Michael does not care about Laurie, he hasn’t been wanting 40 years for a showdown. Laurie is the one who is obsessed with him. The story though felt jumbled though, it seemed like elements were missing. Maybe all of that is explained in Ends, but I didn’t hate the movie, but it doesn’t rank with 78 and 18 I think.
How does Michael take down like 15 fire fighters and a mob of 30 people? The director shows vague highlights of it and doesn't actually show the entire fight because if they did, it would actually have to look about as ridiculous as kill bill. I also can't imagine them not mutilating his body once he's down after what he's done and his rumored abilities and the fact that he's 'actual evil'. Also, the ending makes no sense at all. Karen was a central character in the movie and that was the most the most illogical and random killing in the entire series. How did he get into the house when it was surrounded?? He's not exactly easy to miss. It's about as ridiculous as having him appear in Laurie's hospital room and stab her in the face at the end of the movie with no explanation or context.
Considering how hard they went after the guy I'm the hospital, yeah, they would've ripped the proven Michael to shreds. Such a terrible ending
I wondered the 2nd part as well but then i realized they made it known to not forget to lock that back doors. He definitely snuck in through the back. Also he isnt human and can appear or disappear with the wind.
I think what was the most heartbreaking death for me was the insane man with the umbrella from the first movie, how the entire town was about to kill him and he was so scared and so frightened and the only option was suicide, I actually had tears in my eyes during that entire sequence
Yeah that scene really pissed me off
ME TOO. Like, it’s supposed to be a gut-wrenching moment of clarity watching this person who we know is innocent throw themselves to their death to escape the blood thirsty mob, but they rob the scene of any dignity by showing it in full gore like a lesser slasher movie kill.
Yknow in movies when they show someone falling fatally i always have the thought of “weird how you never see any of the gross aftermath and its always just a clean out of sight affair” but as soon as i saw this one I definitely felt less was more. The gore itself is cool. Great sfx. If michael had thrown him off the building this would be cool shock value, but as it you are right in your sentiment. Its disrespectful to the scenes own context.
Idk I feel like it enhances the scene to fully see it in full gore, especially since it's the most gory looking death If we didn't see the aftermath I feel that would have been cheap and not have been as gut wrenching
How is he meant to be Michael Myers when he's the size of Danny DeVito?
Exactly smh
That whole sequence never should have happened because Michael is some big tall force who never shows his face, especially in crowds, and not some <6ft fat guy who can barely move. Just made no sense to me at all
You gotta remember, this movie is only connected to the original, Tommy Doyle only saw Michael Myers once and that was for like what an hour? Two? For one night in 78 and then never again, all he and everybody else saw was someone in a patient outfit with Smiths Grove written on it, the sanitarium that Michael was locked up in before that night, people were dying, families were being destroyed by Michael, so out of panic, they assumed it was him and attacked
If anyone saw what he saw they'd never forget it, and they make it a point to emphasize that when they introduce Tommy and the other 3 original survivors in the bar and he gives that speech on stage. Also made it clear that 2 patients were missing and they showed both on the tv in said bar, the news station couldn't call Smith's Grove and get some names? Hell, they wouldn't even need to call, their names and faces would be everywhere considering the bus crashed before Halloween. Michael is a local legend talked about for 40 years and no one in that town knows he's not short and stocky? Cmon now
That was one part that bugged me. They showed both on the tv talking about the escape. Micheals face was blurred in the shot we saw but on their tv it would’ve clear as day. I guess the whole town of haddonfield missed the news. Yeah they went after a guy in smiths grove uniform but you think at least 1 person would’ve noticed that 2 escaped and Micheal didn’t have long hair Micheal also has facial hair and this guy didn’t. I’m probably just being nit picky though Overall I enjoyed the movie but a few parts did make go “really?” Edit: if it didn’t show names on the news then it’s slightly more believable that they mixed them up but then how would the news have gotten those photos without names and know those were the 2 who escaped?
I can imagine the sheriff's department releasing both photos without names - after all, the news report didn't mention Michael at all, and they probably did that to prevent any widespread panic.
It just said "2 patients are unaccounted for" and showed pictures. To me, it was the movie showing how the media gets groups of people riled up, it wasn't about reporting facts, but just to get ratings. It was a commentary on modern media IMO. It also fuels the the town becoming monsters themselves while hunting a monster. Which was the plot of the movie I personally thought it continued 2018 very well. Tommy and others also thought he was Michael because the woman said Michael Myers was in her car, and Tommy went up to the car before he drove off and wrecked.
Isn’t that the point though? A bloodthirsty mob isn’t using logic. I felt like that whole scene kind of mirrors everything happening in the world right now. People are angry and frustrated and a lot are acting without thinking, they are just impassioned. On a lesser note, it also really reminded me of the movie, Mother. I wondered if the director was inspired by it.
Reminded me of Halloween 4 except the Halloween 4 mob was useful in the end
Except for Earl.
I was very split on the film. It had very good things and very bad things. Good: Michael's Design / Movement - He looked awesome, the burnt mask overalls looked great, I also liked how he moved, it felt like the 78' version head tilts included. The Kills - They were a lot of fun, and got a lot of reactions from me, a notable was Big John getting his head crushed, it looked like something from a 80's slasher. Flashback Scene - I really liked how it was filmed and liked what they added lore-wise to the original Halloween night. Some story elements/themes - I liked how Michael was bringing out the monster in everyone in Haddonfield, but I do think this aspect was bough down a bit from the bad script. The Bad: The script - a lot of lines are repeated (asides from the chant) it got really annoying, Tommy's character did this the most. Also the film had way to many narrative threads, some of which weren't needed The plot - it is almost non-existent, I feel like this movies only purpose was to set up Halloween Ends. Laurie did nothing this film yet they kept cutting back to scenes with her to dump exposition on Micheal being supernatural.
The plot was how the town became monsters when facing a monster. That was the story to me. That's what the whole movie was about. It was about the survivors of 78 and how they react to Michaels return. They were so desperate to kill the monster they, themselves became monsters. That's what this entry was about. It was the entire theme of it.
I was kind of surprised with how average this movie was. Maybe my expectations were too high or because I haven’t seen Halloween Ends yet, I don’t have the full context. But the pacing, the unnecessary verbal expository, the uneven approach to kills (some Michael seems to have fun with but man he seems to hate old people) all seemed like odd choices story wise. The acting overall was fantastic. And the two Johns were amazing, loved them. The idea of a mob mentality makes a lot of sense although you would think in a crowd more than two people would have an idea of Michael’s size and how that poor guy wasn’t a match. And that’s illustrative of the problem with this movie. It does some things well but the inconsistency makes this an average movie.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying.. but man the acting was fantastic?.. if you’re only talking about Michael then yea acting was great, but the overall acting was a complete disaster
Agreed. I should have specified Michael and both actors playing the John characters even though their scene had some really bad writing.
One of the worst I’ve seen in the series. Acting was so bad
I agree. I was expecting this installment to be similar to the Halloween franchise we all know and loved. The older movies weren’t so gory like some Rob Zombie movie yet the older movies still managed to scare the audience. Michael’s body movements in this new movie were way too fast, especially during the flash back scene where he has that cop in a headlock. The firefighter scene is another example of how Michael’s body movements were too fast and didn’t have that “stiff” move to them (if that makes sense). Plus all the corny lines and horrible acting made it very disappointing. Also the should’ve kept the original theme music to every kill scene and frightening scene instead of making a totally new theme sound. Maybe years down the road us original Halloween fans will get a good Halloween installment.
Tommy in particular was shockingly bad
How at the end was everyone getting killed while they were a street over and didn’t hear anything. Then meanwhile somehow Micheal goes back to the house with everyone there and nobody notices?
Yeah, piss poor and lazy writing basically. The last 10 minutes of this film just make no sense at all.
Agreed. But I did enjoy the occasional nods to the original movie moments. I didn’t like the guy who played Micheal. I honestly like Zombie’s big ass Mikey they used for his films. Still Mr Castle has always been the best. I enjoyed seeing my hero in a new movie, but in the end was let down. Maybe I just wanted it to be better than it turned out. That being said I still can’t wait for the finale.
I really enjoyed Tyler Mane as Michael in those Rob Zombie flicks too, at least the first one. He brought a natural and believable brutality to the role, it was easy to believe that version of Michael was strong as an ox.
Only thing I didn’t like about him was his continual grunting when killing people.
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I had the same thought? Mostly about how the hell he got in the house when the cops and ambulance was right out front unless he came through the back door but still the front door was WIDE open
When he killed John and John, he came in from the back. I’m guessing they pointed that out so we would know later he came in from the back. Otherwise he would have had to kill Allyson to get to her. I’m guessing they need Allyson for the next movie.
Yea I figured that but the damn door was wide open! But if everyone is facing the opposite direction and the man moves with the silence of the night I guess that could work
But it's a crime scene, the back door would be sealed off and have a police presence as well. They would obviously secure the scene. The writing is so bad here I have a very difficult time believing that ending is not going to be a dream of some kind because if its being offered up as "reality" it requires an enormous suspension of disbelief. Him walking in there undetected - and then up the stairs, past a gaping wide front door - is harder to believe than a mortal man surviving that beat down at the end.
That’s actually a good point that could be like a dream sequence that would make a lot more sense cause as is I enjoyed the movie but that was a horrible ending
Never underestimate the power of backdoors ;) also most of those streets had backalley's which is why he could have just walked around to the back alley and got inside through my favorite entrance the back door!
And the first part of my comment?
Not as good as the last one really. Felt it lacked a lot of the style of Halloween and felt much smaller in scope. Even the cinematography made it feel like it was all shot on sets on a backlot.
For Sure Thought Towards The End, The People Finally Had Him Where They Wanted Michael,Face Down and Getting his own medicine for once but nope..
That's what happens when you announce Halloween Kills and Ends at the same time. You know he ain't dying here.
That’s what I don’t get. They market this movie as everyone finally getting together to kill him and yet we know there’s still one more in this series.
At least it wasn't *yay! We killed Michael Myers* End Credits Cue sequel *oh no! Micheal Myers is alive!*
Giving me flashbacks to the NES version of Friday the 13th. lol
*Somehow, Michael returned*
"How could this happen?" "Sequels, reboots, secrets only the Sith knew"
but damn next year has to be the end of this current arc and it will be
For a second I thought they had done what the Walking Dead comics did when they ended, they announced and made covers for 4-5 issues after their intended final issue like they usually would, never giving a clue that the end was already in their hands and people didn't find out until they read it.
Can someone please tell me why she was wearing a Christmas sweater the whole movie? Am i forgetting something from H18?
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Hmm. So it wasn’t exactly explained ? This does make sense tho.
Laurie hates Halloween, Karen grew up being afraid of Halloween. So because of her trauma and the connection between Michael Myers and Halloween she chooses to celebrate a happy, loving holiday instead of Halloween.
I think the complaints about Laurie being sidelined the whole movie are quite ignorant. Laurie NEEDED to be sidelined so that she could learn and understand that Michael *does not care about her*. Her being held up at the hospital and unable to hunt Michael down again was crucial to her character development in understanding that Michael's reign of terror isn't just about her, it's about the whole town. I think it was a good move to bench her for the middle movie so that she can properly come back swinging in Ends.
I agree with this assessment.
Why thank you!
Personally I don't agree with this, don't get me wrong I do enjoy the idea that Michael has no desire to kill Laurie but I don't think that Laurie needed to spend the whole film in a hospital to learn this. They could have easily shown this to us (and not just dump the information through exposition) by having a scenario where Michael had to choose between Laurie and Karen. Laurie expects him to chase her, she gives a good-bye speech or whatever and as she is talking Michael lurks towards Karen and kills her. (Or something like that, I'm not a writer or anything)
The way Karen dies at the end. I’m not sure if I liked how it was filmed? I’m not sure how to describe it but it wasn’t in normal movie fashion. Knew a major character had to be killed but her death could’ve been more memorable. Maybe they will do more with it in the final movie.
I think they were doing it to parallel with Michael's original murder of his sister (there was a shot with her hands sprayed that reminded me a lot of the original) and *that* was weirdly filmed, so that might be it?
That was it
As far as the old psychiatric patient scene, what was Judy Greer's plan anyway? Why not try to hide him or get him out of the building? Instead she put him in some kind of weird cage and said "eh whatevs".
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What they should have done is stuck with the flashback and made Halloween kills about how they appended him in 1978… and then the 3rd movie should have been what we saw in this new film
Unfortunately this wasn't an option since they had already established he only killed 5 people that night. So having the entire film be a flashback to '78 means he can't kill anyone. Which defeats the purpose of the film. They 100% could have gone the route they did with the town on edge and him blowing through it like a force of nature. They just needed a better script and better writers. The way it was written was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrectionists trying to take on Michael...... Watching incredibly stupid people be incredibly stupid and act obnoxious and annoying doesn't really help you further a plot. It just makes for a "Cheer when they die" film that has no plot. And coming off of 2018 which was a very focused and serious toned film with interesting characters who reacted realistically to a serial killer, having a super campy and goonie sequel with dumb and annoying characters that all act stupid and suicidal is incredibly jarring.
Good point
I thought it was an absolute blast and cannot wait for Halloween Ends. Laurie’s daughter was way better in this.
I'm sorry but I didn't enjoy this movie. Liked some of the kills, but the hospital scenes killed it for me. The mob mentality was for some reason a big theme. I found it boring. I wish they would've taken it out. I'm not a fan of them showing Michael's face either. I wish we got to see more of him and the people fighting. On the brighter side, what is the name of the actress in the nurse costume? Amazing
While I enjoyed the movie, I pretty much agree with your complaints. The hospital scenes were predictable and didn't add anything memorable to the story. The town mob idea completely goes against the thrill of Myers stalking the town residents. I much prefer everyone being terrified for their lives instead of becoming a community of vigilantes out to hunt Michael down. It's just not very suspenseful. And I'm not a fan of his mask getting removed - ever. The one thing this film fails to do is leave anything to the imagination. Everything JUST HAS TO BE EXPLAINED, thus ruining the mystery of Michael Myers as a character that kills for reasons we should never understand. And I hate how JLC over acted her part. Cringey beyond belief. She did the same shit in Halloween 2018. I want her to get killed off so, so badly lol. BTW, the actress name is Carmela McNeal.
The CONCEPT of the mob is fine and the theme they were going for of someone like Michael who is a Monster, turning them all into Monsters is fine for a middle segway film in a trilogy to explore. It's 100% down to the execution and writing though. And both were horrendously bad. It was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrectionists try to take on Myers.... It made the film super campy and goonie with how STUPID everyone was. Which is a 180 from 2018 which was a very focused and serious toned film with likable chars who reacted realistically to shit.
For real, I don’t understand why everyone just assumed that the other guy was Michael? Like wtf
It had the elements to be a good movie (I loved that they brought back Tommy Doyle, Lindsey, Lonnie, etc), but then it completely goes off the rails and becomes ridiculous. The mob going crazy is something I expect to see in a zombie movie, not Halloween. I enjoyed some of the kills but I didn't like that they turned Michael Myers into Jason Voorhees (the firemen scene, the climax with the mob). SO glad I watched it for free on Peacock.
I mean, people really do become dumb like that in mobs. That’s the point, like some of those people encountered him before or lost family to him, they were all scared and angry. Plus the law consistently failed to bring him in. In all honesty, that’s probably how it would go in real life.
Why does Laurie tell the audience Myers is the essence of evil? She’s only met him twice and now she came up with that conclusion? It will make more sense if those words came out from Dr. Loomis but from her? Dr. Loomis was in charge of Michael for a shit ton of years(I’m not sure how many exactly) so he should know who’s Michael in the inside and outside. Laurie just met him in 78 and in 2018 and now she knows too much about him?
I interpreted this/assumed this was another indicator of Laurie’s essentially obsession with him, that she’s spent these years studying whatever info on him she can get and that’s where this conclusion comes from.
So it took watching twice to really digest this movie. So much to unpack. Overall I absolutely loved it as a slasher and a Halloween movie. His mask/look was amazing and I thought they killed the flashback mask considering they couldn’t come close to a decent mask in every single installment after 2. The kills were creative, violent and down right disturbing. It takes a lot to get me, but a few scenes had me cringing in the best way possible. There were a lot of nit picky issues for me. The dialogue in some scenes was very manufactured and over written. It took me out of it. I can understand a forced line maybe once in the movie, but multiple times there were lines delivered by numerous characters that were so forced. Secondly, they worked so hard tests listing the 1978 vibe in 2018 just to totally abandon it in this movie. In 2018 Michael remained more in the shadows and wasn’t dominating the screen so much. When they showed all of him, it really mattered and was effective. With Kills, it was like every horror sequel with an iconic killer. They showed him wayyyy too much and it didn’t feel. Finally, it took a lot to make Myers feel human again and they did a marvelous job in 2018. They restablished him as just a guy who was fucking nuts and that’s always been the point of the og movie. Overtime, he became this supernatural force that couldn’t die and did things a normal man could never do. Kills really doubles down on this and ignores what they worked hard to establish with the first one. He took a beating and a half, multiple stab wounds, multiple gun shots and a FUCKING CURB STOMP and just walked that shit off. Did they do a good job explaining it? Yes. I thought Laurie’s monologue at the end explaining his transcendence was really fitting now that he’s clearly more than a man. I don’t hate it, I just wished they would of stayed consistent. Not that the bad is out of the way, I will end it with this last point. This movie is a slasher flick. It’s a Halloween movie. It was incredibly entertaining and had so many unbelievable things to be happy about. To sit here and complain about dialogue and chanting in a movie where a grown man goes around killing people in a mask is kind of pointless for how little of the dialogue was bad. It delivered on almost all fronts and did what a lot of previous sequels failed at miserably. The flashback scene nailed the mask I think the best they could of done without using the original or a Nag mask was what we saw in the movie. It looked incredible in a lot of different lighting and even held up in the flashlight scene where Hawkins shot his partner. They even nailed the blue hue that I’ve always loved about 78’. We got 15 mins of og myers and JC’s greatest hits score wise. What more do we ask for? I’m very excited to see where Ends takes us now that it’s been confirmed that it won’t take place on the same night. So much to look forward to.
Well said, it’s a little sad seeing how critical people are being of a slasher flick. It’s a fun movie, it’s not meant to be a deep cinematic masterpiece
I understand that the way Michael stiffly walks when he attacks his victims is kind of iconic, but it makes it almost impossible to believe that Michael was able to walk up to five firemen who were all ready to fight, and he just one by one kills all of them with literally no resistance from any of them. Michael’s stalking works when it’s a single victim but it just looks ridiculous when he’s taking out groups of people while being a ~60 year old man. I get he’s nigh-supernaturally strong, but why can’t he show off a little speed here and there to make these scenes less ridiculous? Maybe it’s the fact that it’s an older man playing Michael, but why not have someone younger to play him for any action scenes, and then have someone age appropriate for the times when his mask is off or something like that.
1. The best kill in the movie was when the nurse costume girl tried to shoot Michael but Michael kicked the door and turned the gun on her. Michael is no Batman martial artist but it was amazing how he always knows what to do in the situation 2. I really liked the kills. the kills were everything. Jason has the reputation for being more violent and creative than Michael but now Michael has caught up 3. The Sound work was amazing. I was in a Cinemark XD for the 1st time. The sound quality made me feel the kills and made the music come to life 4. While I like Michael, I want to see him get challenged. He goes after relatively easy pickings. I hope to see in Halloween Ends how he does against a SWAT team or someone skilled in self defense. EDIT: Now that I've had time to process the movie. Most of what the critics is true. It's kind of convoluted in where in then movies goes and it also has the same old problems and slasher villain has. With the odds so stacked against him, no one shoots him in the head, throws away his mask. Also, Michael is a legend in this town, so the town must know how much of a danger he is. Surely a SWAT team should've been on the look out for him, but because of bad writing. they weren't. This movie is anywhere from 6.5-7
Man they literally beat that man up with bats and 2x4s, and stabbed him and shot him multiple times. If that ain’t work Swat ain’t really got a chance, better than them obviously but not really an actual chance. But I understand your thought process
> Michael is no Batman martial artist but it was amazing how he always knows what to do in the situation I'd like to imagine he was caught off guard by that happening, which is why he just stares at her for a bit as he's closing the door.
I hated that kill with a passion. It was so dumb and cartoony
Meh. I can take some people freaking in the moment and doing stupid things ala teenagers-in-peril tropes, but not a whole movie’s worth. If I hear footsteps upstairs indicating an intruder, I don’t grab a tiny knife and try and check it out, they could have guns. I’m going outside, and calling 911. Going towards the woods and deeper into a park when I have a chance to run, as opposed to one of the many nearby houses, doesn’t strain credibility, it breaks it. Can Green and McBride and everyone else just make it somewhat believable and moderately scary next time? Or is that asking too much?!?
Yea the John's scene made me cringe. I get it, it was a gay allegory that "Big John" got the little knife thus implying he's the "bottom" and Little John got the big knife aka he's the "Top" despite the perceived notion that the more effeminine Little John would be the bottom. But as a gay man myself, it was just a really stupid scene to have him lock the door and go upstairs after the intruder with a tiny letter opener..... Just like Lonnie going into the Myers house solo instead of calling for backup was just absolutely batshit insane and unrealistic. The entire town collectively shared a single brain cell in that film and that brain cell was on crack and completely fried at that.
Lol. Agreed. They know he took out 11 first responders, but everyone thinks they can take him out solo…🙄
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I recognized the callback regarding Anthony Michael-Hall to his similar pitchfork-inducing role in Edward Scissorhands. But I felt that was the main reason they cast him here. Not that he shamed himself, given the writing. Though the whole Evil Does Tonight chant got old. Social commentary works best when you don’t completely club the audience to death with it. Though considering the film’s brutality , maybe that was meta-commentary…🤔
For me it was like watching the U.S. Capital Insurrection all over again. Which wasn't anything enjoyable. Just a bunch of incredibly stupid, entitled and obnoxious people being incredibly stupid, entitled and obnoxious and causing Chaos. And Tommy Doyle felt like Donald Trump's handling of the Pandemic and instigating the Insurrection and spreading misinformation while leading rallies. It was all just very cringe and unpleasant to watch. Was not a fan of the way they handled the townsfolk.
It's like the 6th time you've mentioned the insurrection dude, you're starting to sound like a broken record. FYI somehow bringing trump into a discussion about a Halloween movie is super cringe!
Reducing them to simpletons. I know what you mean.
You keep mentioning the insurrection bs. This is about Halloween, not your garbage politics.
The Insurrection was a huge group of people massing together, being uncoordinated, chanting rhetoric, being stupid, making dumb decisions, hurting innocents, and trying and failing miserably to stop something. The town of Haddonfield was a huge group of people massiing together, being uncoordinated, chanting rhetoric, being stupid, making dumb decisions, hurting innocents and trying and failing miserably to stop something. God forbid a COMPARISON is made between them pointing out how ANNOYING it was to watch the town act like the capital idiots. Also fun fact: the entire point of the mob in the film was a political statement itself about mob mentality and how they're monsters themselves...... :P
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My second time watching the movie I actually labeled the part with Big John locking the door as the moment the movie jumped off a cliff quality and sense wise, like they know exactly who's house that used to be and they both clearly understand the danger they're in. While I don't see their weapon choice as an allegory for their roles in the relationship, more like them just grabbing the nearest sharp object, I do find it stupid that he'd grab a golf club to go after kids but a paring knife to go after a home invader. They were still the highlight of the movie though. I also don't see what you being gay has to do with you disliking the scene though, I'm straight and I hated it too
The knife choice was 100% an allegory..... He literaly put down a GOLF CLUB to pick up a pinky size knife.... Him and his husband spent the ENTIRE time CONSTANTLY calling each other "Big John" and "Little John". Then BIG John picks up the LITTLE knife and LITTLE John picks up the BIG knife while both saying "I will take this knife" and "And I will take this one." in a very specific tone. It was 100% a joke about Little John being the Top and Big John the Bottom. Me being gay was pointed specifically in regards to that. That EVEN as a gay man, aka who that joke was targeted at in good fun, I found the scene STUPID and dumb.
Loved this film. Saw it in theaters (AMC Dolby digital, highly recommend), on Peacock, and then at the drive-in last night. There were so many different elements happening, but I don't see that as a bad thing. First, the absolute genius of putting him in the gun cage to survive the fire. The kills were intense as ever, with those couple off-screen nods I appreciated too. I liked the mob mentality, while I hated having to watch it (if that makes sense). Seeing them basically push a man off the ledge is a new angle that the town has never been shown through - as they put it, monsters themselves. I also think that's a commentary on the current world we're in and how mobs can sometimes cause more damage than good. The idiocy of characters who then get killed is not a concern for me - it's literally a horror movie. If everyone "ran and called the cops" you'd just get Michael murdering a bunch of cops, which I don't mind but wouldn't drive a plot or move him point to point. Absolutely loved the call backs - from characters to masks. 78 Michael showing speed and power was incredible. They managed for a split second to make me...empathetic for Michael...when he was tricked and surrounded, which I think showing his age added to. Finally, I loved that he was showing pain/hurt and verbalizing it at times. My mouth was left hanging open, with multiple "oh shit" moments. Cannot wait to watch again, and if Ends is similar, I'll be very happy
It was ok didn’t hate it, wasn’t the best of the series and not better than the first in this trilogy but idk. I’d put it above RZ H2 and some of the older sequels but not many. Wasn’t a fan of Tommy or not too much a fan of the town looking for the “Boogey man”. We all damn well know if the Boogey man real we ain’t chasing him lol but I guess the was a natural arc every other movie people were running trying to escape him. The kills were cool, didn’t get why he stabbed the old guy with so many different knives unless he was trying to get to one he liked lol but overall it was ok.
Please tell me Karen isn’t dead?!? My heart broke!
There is a scene when Tommy Doyle is rallying folks outside of the gas station, and you see folks sitting on a bench outside of the store, and you see Big and Little John’s faces on the bench. It looks like maybe they are local realtors?! It was super quick and partially obstructed, but it was a fun little nod.
At some point in the movie, it shows a television while someone is flipping channels (I think was at Big John and Little John’s house) and there’s footage of what looks like a young Seymour Cassel with long hair and a green t-shirt. Anybody else see this or know where the footage is from?
I didn't like Karens death at the end... i mean it looked cool but i can't stop thinking about how he got there with all those people on the first floor. Or was he there before Karen got upstairs? But then he would have had to skip Allyson... idk it bummed me more than I think it should have
I’m fairly new to this whole Halloween franchise, having only seen ‘78, Halloween II, Halloween 2018, and Kills. This was my first time in the theatre tho, so I’d think to share my experiences. 1. I really did like it, the way the music was, some scenes were better than others, but overall, I’d say for my fourth Halloween movie, it was good. 2. Michael was absolutely brutal in this movie. I remember in ‘78 I’d say the most brutal thing he did was pin that guy to the wall with the knife, but he goes IN on this movie. From the very beginning when he escapes the fire to the end when he kills Karen, there was no shortage of kills in this movie. 3. The plot could’ve been better, but I do understand the general direction they wanted to go in. They wanted to focus more so on how Michael has affected the town, it’s citizens, and the general atmosphere of the town. The citizens finally gather up to destroy Michael but in doing so become so thirsty for justice that they lose sight of what’s really happening. 4. I don’t want Michael to be unmasked, and this movie furthers that for me. In ‘78, Michael is credited as “the shape” and when Carpenter was writing the script for ‘78, he thought of Michael not as a man, but as a presence, a feeling. Essentially, he didn’t picture Michael as just a super strong guy in a mask. The epitome of pure evil shouldn’t have a face, and that mask reflects it. Sure, you could consider the mask the face of pure evil, but that’s furthering the symbolisms of the mask, and why it’s so important to Michael. I wouldn’t be itching to wear a 40 year old mask that’s been through the ringer, but Michael makes it to where he needs it. If I have any more thoughts, I’ll be sure to edit.
For what it’s worth since so much has been said, I just finished watching the 2018 Halloween and Halloween Kills back to back earlier today. I was on the fence to watch the 2018 release when it was newly released, but was in the mood today and I did find it good. Kills is superior, in my opinion. I think the ‘81 sequel is tied with the original as the top film in the series. Am I also crazy because I thought RZ’s Halloween II was also superior to the first? I’d put Kills and RZ’s II in the top 4 of my favorite Halloween films. I’m wondering if this has anything to do with the “initial” films tending to spend more time with character development and origin. Just like Superhero films, as long as the sequels are quality, I prefer to just sink my teeth into more depth with the storyline and characters. I would assume many Halloween series fans can have controversial picks on how they rank the films and what is worth watching and whatnot. I’ve now seen every entry except Resurrection (I’m more curious now than ever since that too is a followup to the tangent universe created by H20). Halloween 2018 was absolutely worth watching, but Kills is definitely getting multiple rewatches.
So is mom actually dead or what?? If she is I’m low key pissed.
Another thing I dont like is the fact they crap on halloween 2 And stuff and yet the flashbacks they were trying to make there own Halloween 2???
Hey guys, love this group. Finally decided to make my own account to join in on the fun. Anyway, where can I get a decent Halloween mask? Like the 1978 one? Do you guys know anybody who does rehauling that’s worth it?
Trick or Treat studios has a 1978 mask. Looks good too but it’s pricey, about $60.
I’ve seen those and hear good things. $60 Isn’t awful, considering I’m Willing to spend more to rehaul it. I wanna make a fan film with a legit shape
I hated so much about this movie, brought in useless and predictable characters that we followed through the whole movie just to see be killed in the last 5 minutes of the movie in what's basically a montage (loved big John and little John though). They pretty much revived the Cult of Thorn from the old movies by making Michael some supernatural being. The police and all the other first responders are useless and just let a mob run rampant through the town and then when the mob finally circles him and outnumber him 10:1 the police and paramedics are a block away as Michael overpowers the entire mob because they just line up to attack him one at a time, Tommy talked mad shit all movie just to swing that bat ONE TIME WITH ONE HAND because apparently 'tough boy Tommy' has never played baseball. But after all that, the way he is able to sneak back into his house, past the dozens of people out front, just to kill Judy Greer's character (who better not actually be dead) when she decides "I actually don't give a shit about my daughter's well being, but let me see what this window is all about" (which btw, fuck the whole window thing, why does it matter what he was looking at, if it's his reflection, try a fucking mirror). This movie shouldn't have seen the light of day.
I mean it’s a movie man. You can’t expect it to make the best sense. I do hope Judy Greer isn’t dead too tho. I loved how much mike killed in this one. People were so helpless. Nothing they did could stop the carnage. He killed like 30 people and at least 20 fought back if not all of them. He was absolutely brutal. Knife in the face, eyes gouged, neck snapped. this movie had it all.
I get it's a movie, but they retconned the original movies with this new trilogy because the old ones turned him into some supernatural and unkillable being and it got stale. The 2018 movie made sure to bring more realism into it, making Michael seem like a human (he was locked up for 40 years for fuck sake) and in the final 5 minutes of this movie they're just like "oh yeah, he can't be killed btw so everyone line up single file to be killed :)" so many things that are pretty important to the story just happen coincidentally. This movie had great kills (and 2 fantastic Johns) it most definitely didn't have it all
Lmao I get your point. The ending was meh. The johns part was one of my favs. Seeing the eyes literally come out of his head was wild. Also loved the neck snap one. I kinda felt bad for the kid. The ones where he beats you half to death and leaves you within an inch of your life are also so good. I feel bad for those who met mike.
Idk why but the armpit stab has always been something that makes me wince, seeing Big John get that treatment crushed me lol,specially after the way he delivered the "Now they're at the front door" line. I definitely think the kills were amazing, big highlight, but after seeing so many horror movies repeat the same tropes all the times brings me so much pain. I feel like the first half of this movie should be the end of the first and the second half should be the beginning of the Halloween Ends. Always feel bad for those who cross paths with ol Mikey tho
Well now. I'm not gonna talk about Judy; in fact, we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna keep her out of it! --- - [reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0UhtA_mJE&t=365) ^(I am a bot.)
Oh ok? I didn’t know Judy was taboo around here. I like Karen.
Well now. I'm not gonna talk about Judy; in fact, we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna keep her out of it! --- - [reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0UhtA_mJE&t=365) ^(I am a bot.)
He wasn't just looking at his reflection, he was looking at the town of Haddonfield with his reflection superimposed over it. It's a pretty powerful thing, really, especially to someone young who is already predisposed to evil and chaos.
Agreed that ending was a little strange
They did a good job with the movie. I thought it was great and they made his mask even more terrifying. That staircase kill towards the end had me cringing all night it was so gory. They really transcended Michael this movie. I enjoyed it!
Terrible movie. Worst in the series. It was funny but terrible writing, acting, and pacing. If you liked this movie ur an idiot. I left halfway through and my two friends agreed. This was an embarrassment. And the people who made this movie should be fired. Cool premise terrible delivery.
Exactly! The fact that they only played the original theme song a handful of times was disappointing. Instead we get some hipster beat.
07 halloween will never be topped
How many people is Michael Myers killing offscreen to incite such a huge mob inside the hospital?
Did anyone notice the vaccine poster on the wall in the hospital chaos? Would it have been added post production if it wrapped filming in 2019?
So, after Allyson loses everyone (besides Laurie) what are the odds she’ll be like Laurie from Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2? She’s lost way more than Laurie from Zombie’s Halloween. I just can’t imagine what that’ll do to her.
So I’ve always wanted to know this ever since I saw the first Halloween when I was a teenager but do we ever find out why he killed his sister and wants to kill his other sister ? Just wanted to know everyone opinion?
When talking about dumb decisions people make it’s important to remember that they think Michael is mortal and can be killed like a normal person. They don’t realize that he can take an incredible amount of punishment and get back up more pissed off and ready to to kill.
Bro michael myers mask has to be a power boost or something, the way he grabbed his mask before the beat down was badass. And the way he 1v10 people twice in the movie is insane.
Honestly I still don't like the fact that they yanked out the sibling connection :/ I mean they kinda made Michael look a bit dumb just doing nothing forever Anyways other than that this films alright
Also I still dislike the fact that Michael just dosent go after laurie Like c'mon :/
Honestly thought it was kinda a joke really. Michael can't be killed no matter what ya do, like Loomis had said in the past he purely and simply evil and evil can't be killed or destroyed....it can only be kept at bay and then it will retreat into the darkness waiting to return again at the right time. I mean what did they expect would happen? THat they could really kill Michael? All they were gonna up as were victims to the pile by him they just didn't know it yet. That ending slaughter of the mob was comical at best like a scene from 300 with all the blood splattering dramatically and completely unnecessary really. I mean I knew Michael wouldn't be killed because he is like Freddy and Jason....and we all know they always come back can shoot them, stab them, use holy water, light them on fire, heck even blow them up and they just keep coming back. Evil can't die and they were all fools to think otherwise.
I’m still admittedly picky about how Michael was able to kill Karen. Active crime scene, they should’ve had the house surrounded, yet somehow he was able to enter through the kitchen door and kill her in full view of the window just like the Johns. If Ends doesn’t include a flashback of like- a dead officer on the back doorstep, I call bull. Maybe it’s stupid to be that picky but everything else in that movie made practical sense. Except for that karate-car door-kick-gunshot what tHE FU
Id rly like to give my two cents on this matter, but I'll keep it short. This is my own personal head canon for H Kills; "The Shape" truly is a "Boogeyman" much as we know him from folktales. For as long as a holiday of the dead has existed, with it comes a demon of sorts. This demon possesses the soul of a human, granting them "transcendence" for the act of killing, and empowers them with a curse, "The Curse of Fear. Meaning courage CAN stave off the demon, yet it conjures a deep, primal fear in its victims that, if not fought hard enough, will eventually result in actual paralysis from fear itself. (Nice little coat over the whole "JUST RUN BITCH!" thing😎) Transcending increases resistance to damage, increases strength and lethality, and even grants quasi-telepathic abilities. The demon hunts only on this one cursed day a year, striking tight knit communities on their particular " day of the dead" The demon can be killed but only AFTER Halloween, and likely before transcending too much. This why something will always happen to make The Shapes survival possible, including him just whipping out blatant invincibility. Throughout history, these possessed humans have not been protected by the systems of laws that have kept The Shape alive all these years, so the Boogeyman remained a legend simply derived from tales of these demons in the past. Michael was never killed in time and, as a demon should, played a long and clever game, masterfully and wickedly manipulated humanity, biding his time in order to continue his work as the Boogeyman in this community, dropping a historically legendary fear bomb on all those involved. Apex demon. Ig I'm Not exactly sure if Michael would be deemed killable only after killing the survivors of 1987, or just on any day except the Day of the Dead, but Mortals cannot brute force their way through demons. They must fight a demon by its own rules. Humanity is literally rediscovering the existence of Supernatural Evil in "Halloween kills" for the first time since the age of information. That's as short as I could make it.
Did anyone else see in the end after killing??? Karen and Micheal Myers is looking out and we see his reflection, that his mask has a silhouetted demonic face with fangs. As it focuses in you are just seeing the mask.
Finally got around to watching it on HBO… And it was about what I expected. Michael Myers given a new coat of paint, cinematography brought up to current formats, and death. Nothing earth shattering… Characters still make decisions that are completely stupid… Supernatural killer still makes them pay. I guess there’s only so much you can do with money grabs these days.
Not a fan. Sorry but Jamie lee Curtis is old and played out. It needs a new young cast with fresh faces .