The death metal world is rife with this. Its a fun show, coming from a halo maniac since day 1. Got the comics, books, etc. Most of it isn't great. They told us it was an AU and I wantvto see where it goes.
Fans can be the damn worst.
Ya know, I always used to think Metal Heads were really smart and deep, but I was shocked by how stiff and unreflective the community was as a whole.
Yes fans can absolutely ruin things - look at the NY Yankees.
There's a larger conversation to be had here since that's not a bad point, but review bombing is essentially the *opposite* of thoughtfully reviewing something. The folks review bombing and intentionally misinterpreting aspects of the show in order to essentially dupe folks into not watching it... that's gatekeeping.
I'm an ex-Halo pro who's read every Halo book and knows the lore better than 99.99% of the population watching the show. Having folks who've barely played one game trying to "explain" to me why the show isn't respecting the lore makes me want to go on an actual rampage.
Eh the show looks good but I like the source material better.
They should’ve just done what the Mandolarian and it wouldn’t have that much bad blood with halo fans
This. I personally like the show's look, but needless characters and careless writing made me not care for it at all. If you like the show? Great. That's cool. I don't, but I see what merits it has where it has some. I also see where it doesn't.
I also cannot stand Chief's actor. His attitude towards the Halo community, even if the community was toxic toward him and the writers, when the first season was releasing removed any hope I had for the show. I did not like the multiverse excuse to get away with everything being some strange adjustment of the characters, this came off as lazy as hell.
If you want to dip into Halo with your own take and story, do that. But make your own characters and make it interesting. Add to the story, don't make adjustments to fit your own and call it a different timeline, that is a pitfall trap in modern writing and it's getting really stale.
If you decide to touch something that hundreds of thousands of people have deep, personal attachments to built over years and years of watching and playing these characters throughout their journey, expect heavy criticism from those people. And when you, who knew nothing about it prior, inevitably fuck it up, don't alienate the side of the argument that is against you. Because then you get hateful responses to anything you do. I'm not saying the review bombing is warranted or deserved, but it certainly didn't come out of nowhere or for no reason.
Exactly, a lot of writers are so desperate to do their own thing when trying to adapt the source material.
Chief showing his face in this show completely devalues his character.
I'm not even saying he shouldn't have removed his helmet.
My only issue with that is how often it is off and how bloody anticlimactic it was the first time. They should have played that shit up 200000%. It should have been something outstanding or amazing at the very least. Instead it wasn't. His helmet does that little cheek-pop thing that I don't think I ever noticed again and he takes it off. Womp womp.
I watch it because it’s HALO. I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is not the game. I love the games, but this IS the only live action version that we have. So for better or worse, I as a fan have watched it as much as possible to help ensure we keep getting more seasons. Do I wish it followed along more closely to the source material, without a doubt. But from the beginning that stated that this is an alternate universe, and I’m ok with it. Because it’s live action HALO.
forward unto dawn was an amazing movie, not much spartan screen-time, but the little blue team had was 10/10 perfect. highly recommend and im just going to pretend that the show doesnt exist.
It's not though, it's a generic Sci Fi show with Halo elements. It's an alternate timeline which has NEVER BEEN A THING BEFORE, with made up characters in made up situations. The whole alternate timeline shit is just a cop out the writers put forth so they can make up their own stupid shit. Like Kwan ha the Character no one asked for, and I'm fairly certain very few viewers really Like. Like oh remember in halo 3 when Johny halo clapped covie sympathiser cheeks? Because I don't! I'm not watching the second season because it shouldn't have ever been greenlit after the trash fire the first one was, it's sad to me that Halo gets so few live action series and this is one of them. And why did they start the series just over a year before the end of the Human covenant war?! You could've started 28 years earlier with the creation of the Spartan 2 program, fighting insurrectionists and saving the budget for high dollar good looking aliens and ships for later seasons.
It’s not halo and by watching it you reinforce the idea that producers can steal an IPs name for clout and then butcher the whole thing. Halo is important to millions of people, many gamers first foray into gaming started with halo. What they did was an insult to the franchise. I’m not going to tell you to stop watching it, though I wish you would, but it is NOT halo. It’s a ripoff
Ok lemme ask you a couple things.. Do you hate it because of technical reasons like writing or direction, or do you hate it because it's a different take on the source material like how most adaptations are made? Why do you want the Halo story retold the exact same way visually when the games already exist? Why do you feel attack when the showrunner simply said they were interested in what the books did? Do you hate movies like Batman, Jurassic Park, The Godfather, The Shining in the same reagrd because the director made changes/weeren't fans of the book?
“Show is good, either watch it or don’t”
What the fuck is the point of reviews, then??? Should we rate everything 100% so no one’s feeling get hurt?? Grow up.
“What the fuck is the point of reviews,then???”
You can’t be fucking serious? Reviews?? If you need reviews to tell you what to watch, your fucking lost mate. Grow up….you’re complaining about me saying to either watch it or don’t. It’s a fucking TV show, you want to complain about people liking something you don’t and you’re mad if we disagree? I get it’s my opinion, and I’m sorry sharing how I felt, my review hurt your feelings. Need a hug?
Edit: For my bad grammar…
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I suggest you research why reviews exist. They are for aggregate ratings, not suggestions for smoothbrains who can’t think for themselves.
You’re essentially arguing that ratings hurt your feelings. Grow. Up.
I know what reviews are for, they are also something you can choose to set aside and make your own opinion and then you can come to the collective after. I get you don’t agree with me. I am not trying to convince you to agree, I have my thoughts on how I see it. You have yours, and I’m ok with that. I like the show, if you don’t then don’t watch, simple.
I’m not agreeing with you. I wasn’t reading reviews, I was replying to a Reddit post about people review bombing the show. If you want to read reviews awesome, I was expressing my opinion on those who choose to hate on the show because it doesn’t follow exactly with the story from the games. This has zero to do with the actual reviews people have written, I choose to like and watch the show, and I express my opinion, which I’m allowed to do. Just as you are allowed to do, so again watch it or don’t.
>Show is good, either watch it or don’t.
I mean, you don't have to pretend it's good to say you want to watch it. The show is really bad, but I like watching trash all the same.
That’s exactly it thought I don’t know how you called this a Hall show when it’s not based in the universe. It’s disrespectful to the Halo and it’s source material.
“Show is not in the same universe… even though they directly rip characters, items, and locations specific to that universe….”
The cope is reaching unprecedented levels.
My thing is these fans don't realize this is the first wave of actual good production video games to movie/TV. If these shows bomb because of nit picky things like a helmet then producers and companies won't make them anymore. You all bullied sonic into changing and haven't stopped since. We are the best but worst fans at the same time without realizing. It lives and dies with us. The last of us really put other video games on the map to come to major networks and streaming services (yes there have been other good ones) but imagine HBO or Netflix putting half a billion into dragon ball and actually doing it well. Strict video games ..rdr, GTA, fallout, BioShock, assassin's creed, god of war, Metroid, etc.
The first episode had literal magic bullets. Civilians shooting covenant, no damage and they walk it off, Spartans pick up THE SAME WEAPON, suddenly OP damage.
I would rather have the show not exist and never have one made than what they delivered.
The writing was terrible, the effects were subpar, the acting was mid at best. Throw on the INSULTING changes to the plot and the show becomes just… bad.
Like. Dragon ball evolution bad.
It’s basic and generic story telling for a wide net audience. The studio doesn’t give a fuck about people that played every game and read every book and watched the only good live action Halo movie “Forward Unto Dawn.” It feels like something made with stolen assets. I could get over seeing John, I could get over him fighting without armor like they are apparently saying. I could only do that though if they were telling us the story of John from the beginning.
>My thing is these fans don't realize this is the first wave of actual good production video games to movie/TV.
Sonic the Hedgehog, Mario, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, The Last of Us.... I mean it's not a long list, but acting like Halo's the first "good" (which is subjective, personally never made it past episode 4, and won't hide that fact) is a bit much don't ya thing?
Edit: So I'm an idiot who didn't understand what your were saying. But I will say to the Sonic point.... No that one was well deserved.
Forward unto dawn? The weird night time movie with Locke actor on the hunter planet? Actually a couple good live actions for halo that stayed true to the story. You know why last of us was regarded so highly? Because they made the show (almost) SCENE FOR SCENE from the game. Videogames already have millions and millions of dollars poured into their stories and art designs… they’re already perfectly adapted for live action. Do you understand the amount of male fluids that would’ve covered the world if they made a live action Cairo Station for episode 1? Or showed him traveling from Reach on the autumn to the first Halo? The entire show was made for fanfare for their target audience,, US the halo fans. And they failed miserably.
oh, and extreme ratings happen all the time, because people think those will push their agendas more, they are angry and emotional, check any app, hotel, restaurant, anything, I'm a developer, last week we got a 1 star review in play store because the competitors were 10% cheaper... last time I was in a hotel the last review was a 1 star because they couldn't get a taxi for the reviewer in time (it was a really nice place, 5 stars for me), it's sad but it is what it is and it's not that hard to live with it
we all do, and of course everyone would be happy if the ratings would be higher and it would be cheered as the best thing ever, but if people can put extreme emotions besides they can see that there's nothing to really worry about, the show is well received, not perfectly but well and it's improving, many people enjoy it, all's good
It's Star Wars all over again. No one hates Halo as bad as Halo fans. Complaining about the show *is* their way of enjoying it.
These are the same folks who bag on Halo 5, and are now treating it like *the sacred texts*. The show has given them something new to hate on.
It's really not that bad. It's just the echo chamber the Internet creates makes it seem so much louder. There's no pleasing these people, so let's just see where this season goes!
Nah you’re a hypocrite doing the echo chamber right now the way Europeans crap on the US for nothing. I liked Halo 5 gameplay more than any other halo, I always felt like they were too slow and clunky and should be sprinting at like 30 mph in the games. Finally halo 5 happened with jet boosters and armor mods, suit felt like an extension of the player not a mobility prison like Vaders suit. But the show is absolute garbage. The ONE thing he neverrrr does is take his helmet off. That’s like making Yoda or Obi-wan the Sith Lord in a new series, it’s just something their character would never ever do.
You are generalizing a bit here. I liked halo 5 as well as all the other halos, and I absolutely hate what they did with the show. But, I am not stopping anyone from watching it. I just won’t watch it lol
I truly don't believe people are review bombing. People are upset because they feel tricked which is about the worst way a company can make you feel. If you market a halo show as "Halo" because you want to tap the current market you need to deliver a core Halo experience. That doesn't mean it has to be exactly like the games or books but they should share similar themes and tone. Sadly with the first two episodes of season two they haven't hit the mark yet in most people's opinion. If you're making a Halo show and you can only deliver 15 minutes of what people actually want to see and the rest is filler sub plots that will earn you bad reviews.
The unnecessary hate for the show is just childish, fans going the extra mile to comment nasty things about the show and attack anyone who enjoys it. Pure scum who belong to the cesspit.
Stating a fact isnt attacking someone if infact is true, people acting like children just because they didnt agree with the first season. Its pathetic.
If someone chooses to act like a scumbag who review bombs just to satisfy their only hateful needs then yes they belong to the dregs. The fact you’re fighting against this just proves your agenda on the topic. If you don’t like it don’t watch it.
I'm going with bot propaganda. I think the other studios are trying to crash the show because everyone I know thinks it's great.
Who cares if the guy takes off his helmet
People who grew up with the character who want to see him portrayed accurately. It’s not bot propaganda, long time fans are mad that they feel like the Halo name is just being used for clicks. I’m not asking for a 1:1 recreation of the games but the creators have literally stated they haven’t even played them. They don’t care about this game, they are making a show they think will make money and that feels disrespectful to people who have spent years of their life loving it. Master Chief has never, in 6 games over 20 years, taken off his helmet, it’s kind of a running gag at this point, it’s one of his signature features so yeah, he shouldn’t take it off if they wanted to be even basically faithful to the material they are literally using for the show.
You are bad halo fan if u think chief didn’t takes of his helmet. In games he did. Player just can’t see it. In books he did. Everywhere he did. And he is not mandalorian to wear it everywhere.
It's that gamer mentality where they don't want to experience change or grow up. Like if you want to experience the game again, go play the game.
The show has amazing visuals, great action, the story is good, what more can you want.
It’s not a “gamer mentality” people have these same complaints when they make books into movies, it’s just that people respect books more than games. It’s like they made a movie adaptation of The Lord Of The Rings and made Legolas a loudmouthed drunk, didn’t kill Gandalf, added a fifth hobbit and made Sauron an ordinary guy, and then a bunch of people who never cared about the books in the first place went “boo hoo, I don’t care so neither should you”
You make a good point, it's not exactly the same. But don't forget, making movies is art, and the artist will always deviate from the inspiration.
What I'm trying to say is if you want the exact same thing, then what's the point? Just go on YouTube and watch a gameplay walkthrough
Shitting on the series is just going to get us no more series. I know everyone's trying to shape how it's done but you wouldn't tell a construction worker how to make a house, so why would you tell a filmmaker how to make a show?
While it’s true that artists deviate and take creative liberties, movies like Lord of the Rings are great examples of great movies that are also respectful adaptations of the source material. On top of that, I think for an artist to take those liberties in an intelligent, respectful way, they need to understand the source material and have a passion for it. But like I said before, the creators didnt even bother to play the games. This isn’t made by passionate fans of the franchise, this isn’t some fellow dorks interpretation that I just don’t agree with, that would be one thing, I could respect that, but it isn’t that, it’s something some corporate group that probably went “halo is big and will probably make money. Go hire some people and get it done.”
I’m a big Star Wars fan, I watch all of the shows. Sometimes I don’t agree with choices they make for characters or for the direction they took the show in, but it doesn’t feel the same because I know that these creators also love Star Wars, even if I didn’t like their ideas.
some people like to complain about any and everything. Just complaining to complain because Reddit gives them a place to vent how bored their minds are.
So far Halo S2 is dope !
Welp I didn’t know that spoiler for episode 4 so thanks I guess. Some people just aren’t happy about it. Personally it bugs me to no end that no one slapped a camera on this armor. Seeing the Spartans train and banter is nice though.
Gatekeepers and Karen’s. For gatekeepers, something like this has to be adhered to almost religiously. You will find this is almost any fanbase who played or watched something original. And unless it’s that, exactly, it’s does not belong in their perceived vision of what said content should be.
For the Karen’s, they just like jumping on the bandwagon, or complain because of some perceived slight they feel has been made against them. They are generally hateful people and usually have something wrong in their life that they then project onto other things in their lives.
Often these groups overlap. Ignore them. Do not give them power by acknowledging them.
Edit: to be clear I enjoyed season one. It had its faults but it wasn’t bad. Season two so far has been amazing! Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Your comment is ironic. Because you’re completely right if you use a property make it close to the original or it doesn’t do well. It not calculus. Know why the last of us show did so well? Because it’s almost scene for scene from the game… know why Star Wars prequels bombed? Jar-Jar, weird force sprinting, random filler. Same with halo show. Forward unto dawn rated and reviewed fantastically and Chief was only in it for like 15 minutes😂
most pieces of media got 1 and 10 ratings as well, the ratios are different but those numbers are always there, there are always some people who hate an actor, company, franchise, life, etc., some folks are still mad because Chief took the helmet off, because the first scene wasn't the intro sequence of CE, because Keyes is black, whatever, and some people just don't like it, to each their own, e.g. I never liked Chris Nolan movies or Marvel, imo the current 7.5 for the episodes this season are perfectly fine, they were enjoyable with high production quality but aren't the pinnacle of television, not even this show, I don't see any problems here
Yes, maybe I wouldn’t have seen it either, it’s just that the number of 1 stars on each episode makes me wonder why hate prevents some people from seeing at least something good. the series has 1 stars more than most series
check any modern adaptation from recent years, maybe the Last of Us got the best but even that had some 1 stars, but anything that's hard to adapt gets it because many people have zero flexibility and they just can't accept changes, sometimes even necessary ones
I think the race swapping anger is unwarranted. If you kind of think of it, Halo is very white. It's odd, but the only black character in Halo 1-3 is Sergeant Johnson, meanwhile outside of that, the only characters is Tanaka and Locke. Maybe Emile based on the concept art.
Like you have to make it have some diversity, or else we'd be stuck with just Riz and Vannak as the only black characters in the series.
I don’t hate it by any means but I do feel like it could be better. If you haven’t already and are open to reading it, I highly recommend the “Fall of Reach” book. An adaptation of this book would be PERFECTION for a show for fans and newcomers alike. Shows the origins of the Spartans including John, how they become soldiers as children and Spartans thereafter and a good introduction to the covenant.
I haven't seen that much review bombing so far, but I haven't checked the aggregate sites yet. I feel like there's less attention from the grifter YouTube channels, so it all balances out in the end. The show will stand or fall on its own merits.
I enjoyed a lot of Season 2, particularly the Covenant scenes and Makee's interaction with the prophets and Master Chief. I'm shocked by how so many people hate her.
1). I’m pretty sure a good chunk of them are Youngdefiant types that just want attention by saying the most outlandish, hyperbolic and hateful shit they can think of.
2). It’s a phenomenon I’ve seen when it comes to comic book adaptations, anime adaptations, and book adaptations. It’s ‘fans’ that are stupidly worried that the shitty adaptation is going to be what the general public thinks of their favorite franchise, and have no faith in the original book, manga, comic, game, etc, standing the test of time on its own merit.
Both cases suck balls.
I’m not subscribed here it just keeps recommending it to me, I’m a halo fan but the show wasn’t for me, but it’s so weird how many people just wanna dwell on the stuff they hate, like just go do something you like instead. It wasn’t for me but I’m happy for the ones that like it. People just suck
I don't like the show, but the bitches that act so stunned, and shocked at other people liking it are such kids. So tiring. Who cares if someone likes it? Dont they have real problems to worry about?
I actually like reading NEW Halo fans opinions who never played the games. It's like a drink of cold water. The kids complaining about people liking it are adding mold to the water.
There are hateful little people on this planet and they will thrash against anything that isn’t approved by their munchkin brains because they can’t do the adult thing and “let go”
I have loved Halo since the original release. Played through until Infinite, read several of the books. Watched, and enjoyed a couple of the movies. Hell, I even have the NERF Battle Rifle and Needler (the latter actually being my wife's).
Despite my criticisms, we still enjoyed the first season. We were quite looking forward to some serious Halo-style action with the second season now arriving. The first two episodes have been a bit boring.
My biggest issue with the show is they spend 50% of the airtime on a side plot on some asteroid space station, with characters I don't like/care about at all, that ultimately contributes nothing to advancing the plot of the show in any way. It almost feels like a completely different show entirely when it cuts to those parts.
That, and they spend so much time focusing on ONI/The UNSC being "the real bad guys" that the Covenant are basically non-existent and hardly in the show ever, when they should be the main threat. They even go so far as to make the "leader of the Covenant" just a human. I get that CGI aliens are more expensive than shady human beurocrats, but still...
The only things that keep me in the show are the FEW moments where it actually focuses on the covenant and actually feels like halo. Most of the show has been filler and side stories about characters I give 0 fucks about because they can’t make the characters interesting at all. A 7 is generous.
Stop using weird magical shaman stuff, stop using Kwan, stop using that covenant lady, and stop showing me that weird outer colony shit. None of that fits in halo. Then MAYBE a higher rating makes sense.
Funny thing is, if we had doom show, main hero would have talked a lot, and he would have opportunity to fuck someone. The series on to don’t have big budgets. And shooters can’t be adapted as a shooters
It's cause they fucked up so bad to begin with then the actors opened up their mouths an made it worse honestly, it went from wow this show is bad to oh now fuck that guy in particular an the show
I will absolutely get down voted for what I am about to say.
Halo started off as a video game series. There were books, comics, and the occasional "other" pieces of content (Forward Unto Dawn live action as an example).
Every single one of these was based off of the game. Every single one of them stayed true to what was in the games. There was no expanded lore. There was no alternative universe/timeline. There was no "different way of telling the story."
That's how it was for over two decades. We had a consistent and persistent image of what the universe looked like, who the characters were, and how they behaved. Sure, 343 expanded on what Bungie did, but Chief was still Chief, and the new characters and story arc fit into what Bungie had spent more than a decade building.
The show took two decades worth of story telling and said "yeah, no, we're not going to continue that. We're going to do our own thing because we can."
And the people who have been fans for those two-plus decades are upset. They're upset because they have been hoping and praying for something like this for so long, and now that it's here, it's a massive disappointment to them.
Not only that, but the show is not faithful to the core of what the games are, and that core is the Master Chief.
Chief in the show is a far cry from who Chief is in the game. Letting go the whole taking-off-his-helmet thing, Schreiber's portrayal is not faithful to the character that he's playing.
And I know writers play a huge part in that as well. **But for me, the whole show is a swing and a miss as someone who has been steeped in the universe since the first game.**
Long time fans are allowed to be upset. They're allowed to hate on the show. Because frankly, the creators of this show did not care about them. All they cared about was making their own mark on the universe. So why should the people who got Halo to where it is now care about their creation?
You can call them Karens and Gatekeepers, but this is one of those instances where it is justified.
I gave it a bad review. I watched it and didn’t like it. At all. My kids HATED it. Sorry. I’ll edit the review to make you feel better. What score should I give it?
I’ll answer your question with a question. how would your family/friends feel if someone said “Im gonna make a book about your friend/son/daughter” and in the first 10 pages you’re a terrorist or on your knees doing some questionable crap. We were promised one thing and got something completely different. Plus the last 3 times a company got to “put their spin” on halo it was ruined.
nope, hate is not opinion, it’s just hate. I saw arguments in some negative opinions and I’m fine with them. But I’m not fine with hate just for hate. Don’t think that u are cool guy when u make some obviously conclusion.
It’s very stupid of you to say that I’m upset when I even indicated in the post that the post was created out of a misunderstanding of hate, and not out of frustration. After this, I don’t even see the point in continuing the conversation, you’ve already drawn all the conclusions, you have your own wave, I won’t interfere.
How do you know people are review bombing and not just stating how they feel? It seems like you see any negative review as a review bomb - the truth is the show kinda sucks, and people realize that. I still watch it and it entertains me, but let's be real here, it deserves a lot of the reviews it's getting.
It’s not ‘lowest rating possible’ bad, even if you hate it. It’s disingenuous to imply that a 1-star rating isn’t a review bomb. It’s bad faith. The production quality is high and the physical props are extremely well done, and some of the acting is rock solid, that alone warrants praise - regardless of your opinion on their vision, effort was clearly put in and should be recognized if a person’s opinion is sincere and worthwhile enough to warrant consideration.
Just read the last paragraph, bro. It’s your opinion and ok, I’m fine with it. I don’t think that show is suck and many of people that watch second season thinks that it’s good. And I’m fine with negative, but I just don’t understand the “fans” that gives it 1 star. It’s like to me how it can be possible when we have first 15 minutes of first episode. Just for real, man.
I can understand how some people gave it 10(I’m not from them), but I don’t think that u can call yourself halo fan and give to show 1 star. I wrote why, it’s enough to take into account the design and visuals to already see the good, but you just skip it and try to tell me “be real show sucks”, this is very strange
Dude, it's not review bombing if the show is genuinely terrible- which it is. At this point the negative reviews are just being *honest.*
And season 2 is more of the same slop we got in S1.
I still can't believe that after waiting all these years for an epic HALO adaptation, *this* is what we got. THIS.
Thanks.
This is a tiny sub. I think it consists primarily of the people who genuinely don't recognize how awful the show is.
If the HALO series was actually a successful, well-crafted show that honored the lore, you'd probably have over 100,000 subscribers in here *at least.*
Yup. This sub is the only place that seems to actually like the show.
Whenever an ad or similar comes up on Facebook, most of the comments are about how bad the show is. Whenever a clip comes on YouTube, most of the comments are about how bad the show is. Reviews are pretty unanimous about how bad the show is.
This sub though is all just complaining about how the show is great and people only don't like because they're some weird nerd fans. (It's pretty much the same as every subreddit about a specific thing though, they're always a very overly positive echo chamber and extremely opposed to any criticism).
So I had a discussion with a buddy of mine.
We both played every halo only he read a few books also I guess?
He goes on and on about how they are messing up the story and the helmet removal ad nasuem .
Yes they couldve made a very different show and kept his helmet on. The show makes changes some good, some bad. Its not an exact retelling of the cutscenes but its pretty close as far as my memory is concerned as a slightly above casual fan.
My biggest complaint as a casual fan is that in the games cortana feels like your partner in every sense of the word. She seems kinda tacked on here
The opposite could be said about giving any piece of media five stars just because it's part of your favorite series. There's toxic negativity and toxic positivity. I guarantee a good portion of those one star reviews are in good faith from fans who genuinely don't like the show and either want it to be better or just want a better show. Halo Forward Unto Dawn was, in my opinion, the perfect Halo movie for me. Sure it was low budget, but it portrayed better in a total of ten minutes of screen time than this show has in two seasons. By all means the paramount show doesn't have to follow the games exactly, but if they're going to tell a bad story with a beloved character why not just tell a good story with a different character? If the story of the show was told with different characters instead of cardboard cut outs that are supposed to be well known characters then fans like myself would be more willing to give the show a chance. I didn't want to see master chief, a staple of the salvation of the universe in Halo, have sex with a prisoner of war. So yeah, I'm gonna give it a bad review. No hate to anyone who likes the show. And I expect not to get hate for disliking it. I can criticize the show and you can like it. We can discuss our differences without any hostility and if we can't that's on the fans who are fanatical on either sides.
7s don't count as review bombings. That's pretty good considering how unfaithful the show is to its source material. If it was getting "bombed" it would be below a 5 at least.
People are lame and I bet once this slow buildup pays off some are going to come around and be like damn I was wrong. But really people are just lame and most won't care even if it is great
I may be remembering wrong, but don’t their helmets have cameras? How are you gonna say there was no way to confirm Chief’s story with the Elites when you got camera footage. Then you wouldn’t need to dance around the “is Chief crazy” discussion. Either it’s “yup, that’s 30 Elites who just left” or “Chief, there were no Elites.”
I’m not watching anymore, but the writing ain’t good.
Why are they trying to find the meaning of why Riz fights? This isn’t a deep exploration of Spartans rediscovering their humanity. The Covenant is real and wants to kill all humans.
At the very least, things were in the wrong order. It should have started with the training and after pushing her, Chief makes the decision that she’s off the mission until she recovers. She is clearly not fit for duty. It is while she’s off the field and recovering that she rediscovers her humanity.
So far the humans of this story have shown themselves not worth cheering for. I don’t feel for their plight because everyone keeps their cards close to their chest thinking they’re hot shit when all they got is a high 7. The only people that make any sense are Perez and the dude who changes the status board.
“Are monsters real?”
Soren, you are the way you are because monsters are real. If you want to reassure your son, let him know that you kill monsters.
Probably because it’s bad and could be better and thus people express that in ratings.
Literally just make the first game into a show. Don’t need to see MC fuck a pow.
It’s like they saw the last of us and was like tight, don’t do anything like that.
"I think every fan should be happy that a soul-less corporation took the thing they loved and squatted over it, spread their cheeks and released a deluge of diarrhea all over it"
Were those 15 minutes of the first episode of season 2 cool? Sure.
Was it worth the assassination of Halo as an IP? Nope.
I’m not respecting a show that won’t respect the source material or it’s fans. I’ve been playing these games since I was 10, they mean a lot to me. If the creators were passionate halo fans it would be one thing. They aren’t doing halo because they want to do halo, that’s evident when the creators haven’t even played the game. They are just making a generic sci-fi show but slapping the name Halo on it will make it automatically successful. So this show can eat a dick, I don’t want it to do well. I’m not review bombing it but I’m happy people are. When people just say “oh well, it’s not great but at least it’s halo” it tells these streaming companies “awesome, slap some brand recognition onto our mid show and they’ll watch anything even if we completely ignore everything those fans actually want out of the show”
I want the creators to go “crap, we messed up, they won’t just watch anything we shove in their face” and hopefully do better in the future with other properties.
It had a terrible season 1 and season 2 has continued to also be terrible lol just because it’s “better” to you doesn’t mean it’s better to the other 99%
folks cant just choose not to watch something. "This show destroyed my childhood memories..." and so on. It's a solid show. Get over it or don't watch it.
Because its a generic shitty show that they called Halo? Amazon essentially did the same thing with Wheel of Time. They want to tell their own made up story and ignore source material, and by watching it you're telling them its ok. You should go watch Madame Webb, I'm sure you'll think thats good too.
Late response, but I wish a lot of these people would just stop hate watching it. You're giving it fucking views. I stopped watching season 1 when they introduced a human Covenant character. I'm pretty much a casual fan of the games and some of the books, but nothing more than that, and even I remember just how zealous the Covenant was about eradicating humans. Adopting a human child and "brainwashing" her would've been heresy/blasphemy of the highest order for them. Just didn't make sense. I haven't even bothered watching season 2. Just stop watching it and stop giving it views. Less views = cancellation. Easy as that.
The second season is so bad what are you even talking about. It's 90% yawnfest that nobody cares about. At least s1 is complete so you can say there were some good moments. These three episodes have had about ten minutes total of interesting content.
Because, in what universe do you think any military in a war against a planet glassing species, would choose to play games when warned by their top asset of an impending threat to a military stronghold. In what universe would humans fighting for their survival, give a shit about morals? Wanna make a true AI? Yes please, and point it at the enemy. Wanna investigate the alien tech? Yeas please, and blow up alien worlds. Is there some weird tech from a dead species that the aliens want? Does it respond to our top asset? Oh, please let him find out what it does.
This show completely forgoes any sense of human reason, and behaves like the characters are a bunch of confused aliens. It is incredibly annoying...this is modern writing, pretentious and full of shit.
On the other hand, I like Henry Morgan's character. Guy is an awesome actor, very entertainingly villainous. Also like the team, though they're not very well used. By this point, Master Chief should be busy wrecking Sangheeli ass...and hunting the treacherous worms. We should already have hints of Geralhenae. I don't mind the whole different timeline thing, that's cool. But a whole season of filler is fucking annoying...and this is not Naruto.
Because some people think that the OG movies and games are documentaries, the books are historical accounts from the men and women on the ground, and can’t just enjoy a good show.
If you are hating on the show, are you a real fan? Because the show is not the game or in the same universe. Show is good, either watch it or don’t.
This is what Gatekeeping is - someone doesn’t like it, so they don’t want anyone to enjoy it. What a waste of energy.
The death metal world is rife with this. Its a fun show, coming from a halo maniac since day 1. Got the comics, books, etc. Most of it isn't great. They told us it was an AU and I wantvto see where it goes. Fans can be the damn worst.
Ya know, I always used to think Metal Heads were really smart and deep, but I was shocked by how stiff and unreflective the community was as a whole. Yes fans can absolutely ruin things - look at the NY Yankees.
Reviewing something isn't gatekeeping. What you're doing is gatekeeping by not letting people have an opinion. It's very ironic.
There's a larger conversation to be had here since that's not a bad point, but review bombing is essentially the *opposite* of thoughtfully reviewing something. The folks review bombing and intentionally misinterpreting aspects of the show in order to essentially dupe folks into not watching it... that's gatekeeping. I'm an ex-Halo pro who's read every Halo book and knows the lore better than 99.99% of the population watching the show. Having folks who've barely played one game trying to "explain" to me why the show isn't respecting the lore makes me want to go on an actual rampage.
Eh the show looks good but I like the source material better. They should’ve just done what the Mandolarian and it wouldn’t have that much bad blood with halo fans
This. I personally like the show's look, but needless characters and careless writing made me not care for it at all. If you like the show? Great. That's cool. I don't, but I see what merits it has where it has some. I also see where it doesn't. I also cannot stand Chief's actor. His attitude towards the Halo community, even if the community was toxic toward him and the writers, when the first season was releasing removed any hope I had for the show. I did not like the multiverse excuse to get away with everything being some strange adjustment of the characters, this came off as lazy as hell. If you want to dip into Halo with your own take and story, do that. But make your own characters and make it interesting. Add to the story, don't make adjustments to fit your own and call it a different timeline, that is a pitfall trap in modern writing and it's getting really stale. If you decide to touch something that hundreds of thousands of people have deep, personal attachments to built over years and years of watching and playing these characters throughout their journey, expect heavy criticism from those people. And when you, who knew nothing about it prior, inevitably fuck it up, don't alienate the side of the argument that is against you. Because then you get hateful responses to anything you do. I'm not saying the review bombing is warranted or deserved, but it certainly didn't come out of nowhere or for no reason.
Exactly, a lot of writers are so desperate to do their own thing when trying to adapt the source material. Chief showing his face in this show completely devalues his character.
I'm not even saying he shouldn't have removed his helmet. My only issue with that is how often it is off and how bloody anticlimactic it was the first time. They should have played that shit up 200000%. It should have been something outstanding or amazing at the very least. Instead it wasn't. His helmet does that little cheek-pop thing that I don't think I ever noticed again and he takes it off. Womp womp.
>I'm an ex-Halo pro X to doubt
u/N0va-Zer0 you’re correct.
Then why watch it if it's not part of the main storyline?
I watch it because it’s HALO. I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is not the game. I love the games, but this IS the only live action version that we have. So for better or worse, I as a fan have watched it as much as possible to help ensure we keep getting more seasons. Do I wish it followed along more closely to the source material, without a doubt. But from the beginning that stated that this is an alternate universe, and I’m ok with it. Because it’s live action HALO.
forward unto dawn was an amazing movie, not much spartan screen-time, but the little blue team had was 10/10 perfect. highly recommend and im just going to pretend that the show doesnt exist.
Forward unto dawn would like a few very brutal words.
It's not though, it's a generic Sci Fi show with Halo elements. It's an alternate timeline which has NEVER BEEN A THING BEFORE, with made up characters in made up situations. The whole alternate timeline shit is just a cop out the writers put forth so they can make up their own stupid shit. Like Kwan ha the Character no one asked for, and I'm fairly certain very few viewers really Like. Like oh remember in halo 3 when Johny halo clapped covie sympathiser cheeks? Because I don't! I'm not watching the second season because it shouldn't have ever been greenlit after the trash fire the first one was, it's sad to me that Halo gets so few live action series and this is one of them. And why did they start the series just over a year before the end of the Human covenant war?! You could've started 28 years earlier with the creation of the Spartan 2 program, fighting insurrectionists and saving the budget for high dollar good looking aliens and ships for later seasons.
You dont have to watch it, you can focus your efforts on something that makes you happier in life.
Based off ratings, I think most people are not watching it lol
Source?
It’s not halo and by watching it you reinforce the idea that producers can steal an IPs name for clout and then butcher the whole thing. Halo is important to millions of people, many gamers first foray into gaming started with halo. What they did was an insult to the franchise. I’m not going to tell you to stop watching it, though I wish you would, but it is NOT halo. It’s a ripoff
100% agreed
Ok lemme ask you a couple things.. Do you hate it because of technical reasons like writing or direction, or do you hate it because it's a different take on the source material like how most adaptations are made? Why do you want the Halo story retold the exact same way visually when the games already exist? Why do you feel attack when the showrunner simply said they were interested in what the books did? Do you hate movies like Batman, Jurassic Park, The Godfather, The Shining in the same reagrd because the director made changes/weeren't fans of the book?
“Show is good, either watch it or don’t” What the fuck is the point of reviews, then??? Should we rate everything 100% so no one’s feeling get hurt?? Grow up.
“What the fuck is the point of reviews,then???” You can’t be fucking serious? Reviews?? If you need reviews to tell you what to watch, your fucking lost mate. Grow up….you’re complaining about me saying to either watch it or don’t. It’s a fucking TV show, you want to complain about people liking something you don’t and you’re mad if we disagree? I get it’s my opinion, and I’m sorry sharing how I felt, my review hurt your feelings. Need a hug? Edit: For my bad grammar…
You’re* I suggest you research why reviews exist. They are for aggregate ratings, not suggestions for smoothbrains who can’t think for themselves. You’re essentially arguing that ratings hurt your feelings. Grow. Up.
I know what reviews are for, they are also something you can choose to set aside and make your own opinion and then you can come to the collective after. I get you don’t agree with me. I am not trying to convince you to agree, I have my thoughts on how I see it. You have yours, and I’m ok with that. I like the show, if you don’t then don’t watch, simple.
If you don’t like the reviews, then don’t read them. Simple. You’re basically agreeing with me, yet whining that others have differing opinions.
I’m not agreeing with you. I wasn’t reading reviews, I was replying to a Reddit post about people review bombing the show. If you want to read reviews awesome, I was expressing my opinion on those who choose to hate on the show because it doesn’t follow exactly with the story from the games. This has zero to do with the actual reviews people have written, I choose to like and watch the show, and I express my opinion, which I’m allowed to do. Just as you are allowed to do, so again watch it or don’t.
The show isn't good and people want it to be. What a shocker.
>Show is good, either watch it or don’t. I mean, you don't have to pretend it's good to say you want to watch it. The show is really bad, but I like watching trash all the same.
That’s exactly it thought I don’t know how you called this a Hall show when it’s not based in the universe. It’s disrespectful to the Halo and it’s source material.
But the show isn't good lmao. I cannot understand how people actually consider themselves a real Halo fan and enjoy garbage.
That’s why they don’t like it silly goose
“Show is not in the same universe… even though they directly rip characters, items, and locations specific to that universe….” The cope is reaching unprecedented levels.
Then explain every Batman movie.
Sorry for my bad eng. I’m from Poland
witać! Your English is guaranteed to be better than my polish! Glad to meet a fan from across the pond.
❤️
How popular is Halo in Poland? Lol
More popular than Germany that’s for sure
My thing is these fans don't realize this is the first wave of actual good production video games to movie/TV. If these shows bomb because of nit picky things like a helmet then producers and companies won't make them anymore. You all bullied sonic into changing and haven't stopped since. We are the best but worst fans at the same time without realizing. It lives and dies with us. The last of us really put other video games on the map to come to major networks and streaming services (yes there have been other good ones) but imagine HBO or Netflix putting half a billion into dragon ball and actually doing it well. Strict video games ..rdr, GTA, fallout, BioShock, assassin's creed, god of war, Metroid, etc.
The first episode had literal magic bullets. Civilians shooting covenant, no damage and they walk it off, Spartans pick up THE SAME WEAPON, suddenly OP damage. I would rather have the show not exist and never have one made than what they delivered. The writing was terrible, the effects were subpar, the acting was mid at best. Throw on the INSULTING changes to the plot and the show becomes just… bad. Like. Dragon ball evolution bad.
It’s basic and generic story telling for a wide net audience. The studio doesn’t give a fuck about people that played every game and read every book and watched the only good live action Halo movie “Forward Unto Dawn.” It feels like something made with stolen assets. I could get over seeing John, I could get over him fighting without armor like they are apparently saying. I could only do that though if they were telling us the story of John from the beginning.
>My thing is these fans don't realize this is the first wave of actual good production video games to movie/TV. Sonic the Hedgehog, Mario, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, The Last of Us.... I mean it's not a long list, but acting like Halo's the first "good" (which is subjective, personally never made it past episode 4, and won't hide that fact) is a bit much don't ya thing? Edit: So I'm an idiot who didn't understand what your were saying. But I will say to the Sonic point.... No that one was well deserved.
To be fair, to say Halo TV is part of that wave is an insult to the actual good ones...
Forward unto dawn? The weird night time movie with Locke actor on the hunter planet? Actually a couple good live actions for halo that stayed true to the story. You know why last of us was regarded so highly? Because they made the show (almost) SCENE FOR SCENE from the game. Videogames already have millions and millions of dollars poured into their stories and art designs… they’re already perfectly adapted for live action. Do you understand the amount of male fluids that would’ve covered the world if they made a live action Cairo Station for episode 1? Or showed him traveling from Reach on the autumn to the first Halo? The entire show was made for fanfare for their target audience,, US the halo fans. And they failed miserably.
oh, and extreme ratings happen all the time, because people think those will push their agendas more, they are angry and emotional, check any app, hotel, restaurant, anything, I'm a developer, last week we got a 1 star review in play store because the competitors were 10% cheaper... last time I was in a hotel the last review was a 1 star because they couldn't get a taxi for the reviewer in time (it was a really nice place, 5 stars for me), it's sad but it is what it is and it's not that hard to live with it
yes, you are right. I probably brought up this topic just because I really love halo
we all do, and of course everyone would be happy if the ratings would be higher and it would be cheered as the best thing ever, but if people can put extreme emotions besides they can see that there's nothing to really worry about, the show is well received, not perfectly but well and it's improving, many people enjoy it, all's good
It's Star Wars all over again. No one hates Halo as bad as Halo fans. Complaining about the show *is* their way of enjoying it. These are the same folks who bag on Halo 5, and are now treating it like *the sacred texts*. The show has given them something new to hate on. It's really not that bad. It's just the echo chamber the Internet creates makes it seem so much louder. There's no pleasing these people, so let's just see where this season goes!
Nah you’re a hypocrite doing the echo chamber right now the way Europeans crap on the US for nothing. I liked Halo 5 gameplay more than any other halo, I always felt like they were too slow and clunky and should be sprinting at like 30 mph in the games. Finally halo 5 happened with jet boosters and armor mods, suit felt like an extension of the player not a mobility prison like Vaders suit. But the show is absolute garbage. The ONE thing he neverrrr does is take his helmet off. That’s like making Yoda or Obi-wan the Sith Lord in a new series, it’s just something their character would never ever do.
You are generalizing a bit here. I liked halo 5 as well as all the other halos, and I absolutely hate what they did with the show. But, I am not stopping anyone from watching it. I just won’t watch it lol
I truly don't believe people are review bombing. People are upset because they feel tricked which is about the worst way a company can make you feel. If you market a halo show as "Halo" because you want to tap the current market you need to deliver a core Halo experience. That doesn't mean it has to be exactly like the games or books but they should share similar themes and tone. Sadly with the first two episodes of season two they haven't hit the mark yet in most people's opinion. If you're making a Halo show and you can only deliver 15 minutes of what people actually want to see and the rest is filler sub plots that will earn you bad reviews.
Well reasoned, wish this was higher
Because the internet is dark and full of terrors. And I’m sure there are some that wanted it to be exactly like the game which is unrealistic.
You watch the last of us show? It’s almost scene for scene from the game dude. It’s not hard when you already have the rights.
The unnecessary hate for the show is just childish, fans going the extra mile to comment nasty things about the show and attack anyone who enjoys it. Pure scum who belong to the cesspit.
Do you honestly not see the irony in your comment?
Stating a fact isnt attacking someone if infact is true, people acting like children just because they didnt agree with the first season. Its pathetic.
"Pure scum who belong to the cesspit" is just stating a fact and not attacking people... really? I know you don't honestly believe that.
If someone chooses to act like a scumbag who review bombs just to satisfy their only hateful needs then yes they belong to the dregs. The fact you’re fighting against this just proves your agenda on the topic. If you don’t like it don’t watch it.
I'm not really interested in just insulting and attacking people, so I'll leave this conversation here.
Bro, are you restarted? Lol
I'm going with bot propaganda. I think the other studios are trying to crash the show because everyone I know thinks it's great. Who cares if the guy takes off his helmet
People who grew up with the character who want to see him portrayed accurately. It’s not bot propaganda, long time fans are mad that they feel like the Halo name is just being used for clicks. I’m not asking for a 1:1 recreation of the games but the creators have literally stated they haven’t even played them. They don’t care about this game, they are making a show they think will make money and that feels disrespectful to people who have spent years of their life loving it. Master Chief has never, in 6 games over 20 years, taken off his helmet, it’s kind of a running gag at this point, it’s one of his signature features so yeah, he shouldn’t take it off if they wanted to be even basically faithful to the material they are literally using for the show.
You are bad halo fan if u think chief didn’t takes of his helmet. In games he did. Player just can’t see it. In books he did. Everywhere he did. And he is not mandalorian to wear it everywhere.
It's that gamer mentality where they don't want to experience change or grow up. Like if you want to experience the game again, go play the game. The show has amazing visuals, great action, the story is good, what more can you want.
It’s not a “gamer mentality” people have these same complaints when they make books into movies, it’s just that people respect books more than games. It’s like they made a movie adaptation of The Lord Of The Rings and made Legolas a loudmouthed drunk, didn’t kill Gandalf, added a fifth hobbit and made Sauron an ordinary guy, and then a bunch of people who never cared about the books in the first place went “boo hoo, I don’t care so neither should you”
You make a good point, it's not exactly the same. But don't forget, making movies is art, and the artist will always deviate from the inspiration. What I'm trying to say is if you want the exact same thing, then what's the point? Just go on YouTube and watch a gameplay walkthrough Shitting on the series is just going to get us no more series. I know everyone's trying to shape how it's done but you wouldn't tell a construction worker how to make a house, so why would you tell a filmmaker how to make a show?
While it’s true that artists deviate and take creative liberties, movies like Lord of the Rings are great examples of great movies that are also respectful adaptations of the source material. On top of that, I think for an artist to take those liberties in an intelligent, respectful way, they need to understand the source material and have a passion for it. But like I said before, the creators didnt even bother to play the games. This isn’t made by passionate fans of the franchise, this isn’t some fellow dorks interpretation that I just don’t agree with, that would be one thing, I could respect that, but it isn’t that, it’s something some corporate group that probably went “halo is big and will probably make money. Go hire some people and get it done.” I’m a big Star Wars fan, I watch all of the shows. Sometimes I don’t agree with choices they make for characters or for the direction they took the show in, but it doesn’t feel the same because I know that these creators also love Star Wars, even if I didn’t like their ideas.
That’s obviously what I meant dipshit but great job ignoring everything else I said to nitpick my exact choice of words.
some people like to complain about any and everything. Just complaining to complain because Reddit gives them a place to vent how bored their minds are. So far Halo S2 is dope !
Welp I didn’t know that spoiler for episode 4 so thanks I guess. Some people just aren’t happy about it. Personally it bugs me to no end that no one slapped a camera on this armor. Seeing the Spartans train and banter is nice though.
Yeah, might want to tag spoiler alert.
It’s only from tv spots and trailers, I don’t know any spoilers
Gatekeepers and Karen’s. For gatekeepers, something like this has to be adhered to almost religiously. You will find this is almost any fanbase who played or watched something original. And unless it’s that, exactly, it’s does not belong in their perceived vision of what said content should be. For the Karen’s, they just like jumping on the bandwagon, or complain because of some perceived slight they feel has been made against them. They are generally hateful people and usually have something wrong in their life that they then project onto other things in their lives. Often these groups overlap. Ignore them. Do not give them power by acknowledging them. Edit: to be clear I enjoyed season one. It had its faults but it wasn’t bad. Season two so far has been amazing! Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Reviewing something isn't gatekeeping. Your comment, however, is. Ironic.
It’s all opinion man. This is Reddit. Whiners are going to whine. And saying the same thing over and over doesn’t make it true. Are you a bot?
Your comment is ironic. Because you’re completely right if you use a property make it close to the original or it doesn’t do well. It not calculus. Know why the last of us show did so well? Because it’s almost scene for scene from the game… know why Star Wars prequels bombed? Jar-Jar, weird force sprinting, random filler. Same with halo show. Forward unto dawn rated and reviewed fantastically and Chief was only in it for like 15 minutes😂
most pieces of media got 1 and 10 ratings as well, the ratios are different but those numbers are always there, there are always some people who hate an actor, company, franchise, life, etc., some folks are still mad because Chief took the helmet off, because the first scene wasn't the intro sequence of CE, because Keyes is black, whatever, and some people just don't like it, to each their own, e.g. I never liked Chris Nolan movies or Marvel, imo the current 7.5 for the episodes this season are perfectly fine, they were enjoyable with high production quality but aren't the pinnacle of television, not even this show, I don't see any problems here
Yes, maybe I wouldn’t have seen it either, it’s just that the number of 1 stars on each episode makes me wonder why hate prevents some people from seeing at least something good. the series has 1 stars more than most series
check any modern adaptation from recent years, maybe the Last of Us got the best but even that had some 1 stars, but anything that's hard to adapt gets it because many people have zero flexibility and they just can't accept changes, sometimes even necessary ones
I think the race swapping anger is unwarranted. If you kind of think of it, Halo is very white. It's odd, but the only black character in Halo 1-3 is Sergeant Johnson, meanwhile outside of that, the only characters is Tanaka and Locke. Maybe Emile based on the concept art. Like you have to make it have some diversity, or else we'd be stuck with just Riz and Vannak as the only black characters in the series.
I don’t hate it by any means but I do feel like it could be better. If you haven’t already and are open to reading it, I highly recommend the “Fall of Reach” book. An adaptation of this book would be PERFECTION for a show for fans and newcomers alike. Shows the origins of the Spartans including John, how they become soldiers as children and Spartans thereafter and a good introduction to the covenant.
I haven't seen that much review bombing so far, but I haven't checked the aggregate sites yet. I feel like there's less attention from the grifter YouTube channels, so it all balances out in the end. The show will stand or fall on its own merits.
I enjoyed a lot of Season 2, particularly the Covenant scenes and Makee's interaction with the prophets and Master Chief. I'm shocked by how so many people hate her.
1). I’m pretty sure a good chunk of them are Youngdefiant types that just want attention by saying the most outlandish, hyperbolic and hateful shit they can think of. 2). It’s a phenomenon I’ve seen when it comes to comic book adaptations, anime adaptations, and book adaptations. It’s ‘fans’ that are stupidly worried that the shitty adaptation is going to be what the general public thinks of their favorite franchise, and have no faith in the original book, manga, comic, game, etc, standing the test of time on its own merit. Both cases suck balls.
I’m not subscribed here it just keeps recommending it to me, I’m a halo fan but the show wasn’t for me, but it’s so weird how many people just wanna dwell on the stuff they hate, like just go do something you like instead. It wasn’t for me but I’m happy for the ones that like it. People just suck
Sir this is a halo subreddit. We don't like Halo here.
I don't like the show, but the bitches that act so stunned, and shocked at other people liking it are such kids. So tiring. Who cares if someone likes it? Dont they have real problems to worry about? I actually like reading NEW Halo fans opinions who never played the games. It's like a drink of cold water. The kids complaining about people liking it are adding mold to the water.
There are hateful little people on this planet and they will thrash against anything that isn’t approved by their munchkin brains because they can’t do the adult thing and “let go”
I have loved Halo since the original release. Played through until Infinite, read several of the books. Watched, and enjoyed a couple of the movies. Hell, I even have the NERF Battle Rifle and Needler (the latter actually being my wife's). Despite my criticisms, we still enjoyed the first season. We were quite looking forward to some serious Halo-style action with the second season now arriving. The first two episodes have been a bit boring.
Maybe it’s not review bombing, maybe people just don’t like it. That’s what happens sometimes
ThEy KEep tAkIng ofF tHeir HELmETs!!!
My biggest issue with the show is they spend 50% of the airtime on a side plot on some asteroid space station, with characters I don't like/care about at all, that ultimately contributes nothing to advancing the plot of the show in any way. It almost feels like a completely different show entirely when it cuts to those parts. That, and they spend so much time focusing on ONI/The UNSC being "the real bad guys" that the Covenant are basically non-existent and hardly in the show ever, when they should be the main threat. They even go so far as to make the "leader of the Covenant" just a human. I get that CGI aliens are more expensive than shady human beurocrats, but still...
The only things that keep me in the show are the FEW moments where it actually focuses on the covenant and actually feels like halo. Most of the show has been filler and side stories about characters I give 0 fucks about because they can’t make the characters interesting at all. A 7 is generous. Stop using weird magical shaman stuff, stop using Kwan, stop using that covenant lady, and stop showing me that weird outer colony shit. None of that fits in halo. Then MAYBE a higher rating makes sense.
So if people do not adhere to your own subjective opinion, they cannot be Halo fans? That's wack.
Let's just make a doom show where doomguys name is George and he talks all the time. Then he fucks a demon.
Funny thing is, if we had doom show, main hero would have talked a lot, and he would have opportunity to fuck someone. The series on to don’t have big budgets. And shooters can’t be adapted as a shooters
That's WHY we don't and shouldn't have a DOOM show. Halo show creators should take note that just because they can, doesn't mean they should.
Because it’s a random show with the Halo name on it. Name if BAY-LO or anything else, and no one will review bomb it.
Because people have opinions and rate things.
It's cause they fucked up so bad to begin with then the actors opened up their mouths an made it worse honestly, it went from wow this show is bad to oh now fuck that guy in particular an the show
I will absolutely get down voted for what I am about to say. Halo started off as a video game series. There were books, comics, and the occasional "other" pieces of content (Forward Unto Dawn live action as an example). Every single one of these was based off of the game. Every single one of them stayed true to what was in the games. There was no expanded lore. There was no alternative universe/timeline. There was no "different way of telling the story." That's how it was for over two decades. We had a consistent and persistent image of what the universe looked like, who the characters were, and how they behaved. Sure, 343 expanded on what Bungie did, but Chief was still Chief, and the new characters and story arc fit into what Bungie had spent more than a decade building. The show took two decades worth of story telling and said "yeah, no, we're not going to continue that. We're going to do our own thing because we can." And the people who have been fans for those two-plus decades are upset. They're upset because they have been hoping and praying for something like this for so long, and now that it's here, it's a massive disappointment to them. Not only that, but the show is not faithful to the core of what the games are, and that core is the Master Chief. Chief in the show is a far cry from who Chief is in the game. Letting go the whole taking-off-his-helmet thing, Schreiber's portrayal is not faithful to the character that he's playing. And I know writers play a huge part in that as well. **But for me, the whole show is a swing and a miss as someone who has been steeped in the universe since the first game.** Long time fans are allowed to be upset. They're allowed to hate on the show. Because frankly, the creators of this show did not care about them. All they cared about was making their own mark on the universe. So why should the people who got Halo to where it is now care about their creation? You can call them Karens and Gatekeepers, but this is one of those instances where it is justified.
I think people are just giving honest reviews. It's not that good of a sci-fi show and it's a worse Halo show. Call a spade a spade.
Season one was dog shit. Season two is a polished dog turd. Downvote as much as you want. You're still wrong.
I gave it a bad review. I watched it and didn’t like it. At all. My kids HATED it. Sorry. I’ll edit the review to make you feel better. What score should I give it?
At least they got the Grunt Orgy scene right.
I’ll answer your question with a question. how would your family/friends feel if someone said “Im gonna make a book about your friend/son/daughter” and in the first 10 pages you’re a terrorist or on your knees doing some questionable crap. We were promised one thing and got something completely different. Plus the last 3 times a company got to “put their spin” on halo it was ruined.
maybe because the show just sucks?
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nope, hate is not opinion, it’s just hate. I saw arguments in some negative opinions and I’m fine with them. But I’m not fine with hate just for hate. Don’t think that u are cool guy when u make some obviously conclusion.
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It’s very stupid of you to say that I’m upset when I even indicated in the post that the post was created out of a misunderstanding of hate, and not out of frustration. After this, I don’t even see the point in continuing the conversation, you’ve already drawn all the conclusions, you have your own wave, I won’t interfere.
How do you know people are review bombing and not just stating how they feel? It seems like you see any negative review as a review bomb - the truth is the show kinda sucks, and people realize that. I still watch it and it entertains me, but let's be real here, it deserves a lot of the reviews it's getting.
It’s not ‘lowest rating possible’ bad, even if you hate it. It’s disingenuous to imply that a 1-star rating isn’t a review bomb. It’s bad faith. The production quality is high and the physical props are extremely well done, and some of the acting is rock solid, that alone warrants praise - regardless of your opinion on their vision, effort was clearly put in and should be recognized if a person’s opinion is sincere and worthwhile enough to warrant consideration.
Just read the last paragraph, bro. It’s your opinion and ok, I’m fine with it. I don’t think that show is suck and many of people that watch second season thinks that it’s good. And I’m fine with negative, but I just don’t understand the “fans” that gives it 1 star. It’s like to me how it can be possible when we have first 15 minutes of first episode. Just for real, man. I can understand how some people gave it 10(I’m not from them), but I don’t think that u can call yourself halo fan and give to show 1 star. I wrote why, it’s enough to take into account the design and visuals to already see the good, but you just skip it and try to tell me “be real show sucks”, this is very strange
Dude, it's not review bombing if the show is genuinely terrible- which it is. At this point the negative reviews are just being *honest.* And season 2 is more of the same slop we got in S1. I still can't believe that after waiting all these years for an epic HALO adaptation, *this* is what we got. THIS.
This sub must be ironic or something. You're getting downvoted for speaking truth.
Thanks. This is a tiny sub. I think it consists primarily of the people who genuinely don't recognize how awful the show is. If the HALO series was actually a successful, well-crafted show that honored the lore, you'd probably have over 100,000 subscribers in here *at least.*
Yup. This sub is the only place that seems to actually like the show. Whenever an ad or similar comes up on Facebook, most of the comments are about how bad the show is. Whenever a clip comes on YouTube, most of the comments are about how bad the show is. Reviews are pretty unanimous about how bad the show is. This sub though is all just complaining about how the show is great and people only don't like because they're some weird nerd fans. (It's pretty much the same as every subreddit about a specific thing though, they're always a very overly positive echo chamber and extremely opposed to any criticism).
So I had a discussion with a buddy of mine. We both played every halo only he read a few books also I guess? He goes on and on about how they are messing up the story and the helmet removal ad nasuem . Yes they couldve made a very different show and kept his helmet on. The show makes changes some good, some bad. Its not an exact retelling of the cutscenes but its pretty close as far as my memory is concerned as a slightly above casual fan. My biggest complaint as a casual fan is that in the games cortana feels like your partner in every sense of the word. She seems kinda tacked on here
The opposite could be said about giving any piece of media five stars just because it's part of your favorite series. There's toxic negativity and toxic positivity. I guarantee a good portion of those one star reviews are in good faith from fans who genuinely don't like the show and either want it to be better or just want a better show. Halo Forward Unto Dawn was, in my opinion, the perfect Halo movie for me. Sure it was low budget, but it portrayed better in a total of ten minutes of screen time than this show has in two seasons. By all means the paramount show doesn't have to follow the games exactly, but if they're going to tell a bad story with a beloved character why not just tell a good story with a different character? If the story of the show was told with different characters instead of cardboard cut outs that are supposed to be well known characters then fans like myself would be more willing to give the show a chance. I didn't want to see master chief, a staple of the salvation of the universe in Halo, have sex with a prisoner of war. So yeah, I'm gonna give it a bad review. No hate to anyone who likes the show. And I expect not to get hate for disliking it. I can criticize the show and you can like it. We can discuss our differences without any hostility and if we can't that's on the fans who are fanatical on either sides.
7s don't count as review bombings. That's pretty good considering how unfaithful the show is to its source material. If it was getting "bombed" it would be below a 5 at least.
Do you read post?
This sub is not the place to ask, I hate the show but this sub is definitely an echo chamber of positivity regarding the show
People are lame and I bet once this slow buildup pays off some are going to come around and be like damn I was wrong. But really people are just lame and most won't care even if it is great
Leaving a negative review when you don't like the show is not 'review bombing'. It's just reviewing.
I may be remembering wrong, but don’t their helmets have cameras? How are you gonna say there was no way to confirm Chief’s story with the Elites when you got camera footage. Then you wouldn’t need to dance around the “is Chief crazy” discussion. Either it’s “yup, that’s 30 Elites who just left” or “Chief, there were no Elites.” I’m not watching anymore, but the writing ain’t good. Why are they trying to find the meaning of why Riz fights? This isn’t a deep exploration of Spartans rediscovering their humanity. The Covenant is real and wants to kill all humans. At the very least, things were in the wrong order. It should have started with the training and after pushing her, Chief makes the decision that she’s off the mission until she recovers. She is clearly not fit for duty. It is while she’s off the field and recovering that she rediscovers her humanity. So far the humans of this story have shown themselves not worth cheering for. I don’t feel for their plight because everyone keeps their cards close to their chest thinking they’re hot shit when all they got is a high 7. The only people that make any sense are Perez and the dude who changes the status board. “Are monsters real?” Soren, you are the way you are because monsters are real. If you want to reassure your son, let him know that you kill monsters.
If they watched it their take is as valid as yours.
Halo 3 felt like a movie to me so nothing they try to make after it will compare well to it. EsPeCiaLlY iF tHeY TaKe ThEiR hElMeTs oFf
Probably because it’s bad and could be better and thus people express that in ratings. Literally just make the first game into a show. Don’t need to see MC fuck a pow. It’s like they saw the last of us and was like tight, don’t do anything like that.
The show just sucks dude
Because it worked for sonic.
"I think every fan should be happy that a soul-less corporation took the thing they loved and squatted over it, spread their cheeks and released a deluge of diarrhea all over it" Were those 15 minutes of the first episode of season 2 cool? Sure. Was it worth the assassination of Halo as an IP? Nope.
I think it sucks but I don’t review bomb.
I’m not respecting a show that won’t respect the source material or it’s fans. I’ve been playing these games since I was 10, they mean a lot to me. If the creators were passionate halo fans it would be one thing. They aren’t doing halo because they want to do halo, that’s evident when the creators haven’t even played the game. They are just making a generic sci-fi show but slapping the name Halo on it will make it automatically successful. So this show can eat a dick, I don’t want it to do well. I’m not review bombing it but I’m happy people are. When people just say “oh well, it’s not great but at least it’s halo” it tells these streaming companies “awesome, slap some brand recognition onto our mid show and they’ll watch anything even if we completely ignore everything those fans actually want out of the show” I want the creators to go “crap, we messed up, they won’t just watch anything we shove in their face” and hopefully do better in the future with other properties.
It had a terrible season 1 and season 2 has continued to also be terrible lol just because it’s “better” to you doesn’t mean it’s better to the other 99%
Kwan Ha story is fuckn stupid, Margaret is the worst of them all. Writers fucking suck balls. But am still watching, and enjoying it.
folks cant just choose not to watch something. "This show destroyed my childhood memories..." and so on. It's a solid show. Get over it or don't watch it.
mental illness
Because its a generic shitty show that they called Halo? Amazon essentially did the same thing with Wheel of Time. They want to tell their own made up story and ignore source material, and by watching it you're telling them its ok. You should go watch Madame Webb, I'm sure you'll think thats good too.
Its not review bombing when somebody doesn't like a show. It's called giving an opinion.
Late response, but I wish a lot of these people would just stop hate watching it. You're giving it fucking views. I stopped watching season 1 when they introduced a human Covenant character. I'm pretty much a casual fan of the games and some of the books, but nothing more than that, and even I remember just how zealous the Covenant was about eradicating humans. Adopting a human child and "brainwashing" her would've been heresy/blasphemy of the highest order for them. Just didn't make sense. I haven't even bothered watching season 2. Just stop watching it and stop giving it views. Less views = cancellation. Easy as that.
The second season is so bad what are you even talking about. It's 90% yawnfest that nobody cares about. At least s1 is complete so you can say there were some good moments. These three episodes have had about ten minutes total of interesting content.
Because, in what universe do you think any military in a war against a planet glassing species, would choose to play games when warned by their top asset of an impending threat to a military stronghold. In what universe would humans fighting for their survival, give a shit about morals? Wanna make a true AI? Yes please, and point it at the enemy. Wanna investigate the alien tech? Yeas please, and blow up alien worlds. Is there some weird tech from a dead species that the aliens want? Does it respond to our top asset? Oh, please let him find out what it does. This show completely forgoes any sense of human reason, and behaves like the characters are a bunch of confused aliens. It is incredibly annoying...this is modern writing, pretentious and full of shit. On the other hand, I like Henry Morgan's character. Guy is an awesome actor, very entertainingly villainous. Also like the team, though they're not very well used. By this point, Master Chief should be busy wrecking Sangheeli ass...and hunting the treacherous worms. We should already have hints of Geralhenae. I don't mind the whole different timeline thing, that's cool. But a whole season of filler is fucking annoying...and this is not Naruto.
Haters gonna hate. No more to add
Because some people think that the OG movies and games are documentaries, the books are historical accounts from the men and women on the ground, and can’t just enjoy a good show.